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Speaker 1: in that cohort sub fifty, you are seeing an eighty

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Speaker 1: He is Randy Drusik, He's the president of eh C

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Speaker 2: Good morning. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Those are all seeing rapid increases as well as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, today, in twenty twenty five, young adults

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Speaker 1: is driving this trend? And how do we fix it?

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Speaker 1: Randy Drosick is the president of HC here in Kenwood.

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Speaker 1: Doctor DROSSI, good morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm fine, Thank you and thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Weird paradox here, we're getting better at finding and treating

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Speaker 3: That's good. We don't really know why people are being

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Speaker 3: this it's being studied. We're concentrating. We've been concentrating for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Or are we just catching it earlier.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the point, you know, the cancers that

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Speaker 3: That may be part of the case. The other thing

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Speaker 3: like you said. But the interesting thing the cancers that

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, oh paradox is that it is a paradox.

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Speaker 1: But as I looked at these numbers, what jumps off

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Speaker 1: them are digestive based, right, So it's it's upper lower, GI, stomach, throat, esophagel,

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Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely correct. I think it's our seventh

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Speaker 3: I think Americans tend to work longer hours than other countries.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the generations figured out because you hear about, wow,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but between me and you, the chips are so

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Speaker 1: Do you think that sleep deprivation, poor sleep quality factors

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Speaker 1: you have to rest. That's part of it. Another paradox

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Speaker 1: And we don't like that right the whole olm yoga right,

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable and I'm sorry they haven't gone back to it.

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Speaker 2: It's too much of me. I can't spend that much

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Speaker 2: I just I got to get away from me sometimes.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you have to stay active. I always

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Speaker 1: We're talking to doctor Randy Drusick this morning. He's an ecologist.

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Speaker 1: He's also a president of OHC cancer specialists all all over.

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Speaker 1: and it feels like, Wow, they're leaving no stone unturned.

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00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 1: But now we're in our second week and Savannah Guthrie

439
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: has released he had another video and that poor woman

440
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,879
Speaker 1: is just absolutely I feel so bad for her in

441
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 1: the family obviously, I think we all do. But you

442
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,439
Speaker 1: just see the anguish on her face, like she seems

443
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 1: like a real good person and that's everyone who's around

444
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 1: her says that. But she's not contemplating maybe never returning

445
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: to work to the day show because she feels responsible

446
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 1: to some degree for her mom's dis appearance, because, as

447
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: typical when it comes to morning shows, and in this

448
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 1: case Network morning shows, she used her mom for material.

449
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 1: You know, her mom became featured several times on the show.

450
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: At one point they actually had a meal inside her house.

451
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 1: They saw the inside of her home in Tucson. And

452
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: now she's gone. And this poor woman is just beside herself,

453
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: beating herself up that she essentially caused the disappearance of

454
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Speaker 1: her mom and maybe the death or I mean, can

455
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 1: you imagine. It's just it's so heartbreaking. You kind of

456
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 1: want to tell her, Look, it's not your fault. You

457
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:33,800
Speaker 1: did the best you think you could do. You know,

458
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: you just don't you don't think there's sick and twisted

459
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 1: people in the world, and clearly they are. And so

460
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Speaker 1: now FBI continues their search. The scary part about this

461
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: for me is you think about this. Okay, we're not

462
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 1: in our second week. Something is going to happen this

463
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: week that has nothing to do with the Nancy Guthrie case.

464
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: And as Savannah Guthrie knows, and that's why maybe she's

465
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Speaker 1: releasing more videos, it will start to fade from the

466
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Speaker 1: public conscience. This is the this is the week where

467
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: something in the news will happen. Something will happen in

468
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, and this will become second

469
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 1: page news because we only as consumers, as meeting consumers,

470
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: only have the conscience. We only have the ability to

471
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: really balance one big story at a time. And that's

472
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 1: pretty common. It's always been that way. And Savannah Guthrie

473
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: knows this that something's going to occur to overthrow this

474
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: in the news cycle, to take over, and this will

475
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: become a bottom line story. And if that's the case,

476
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: then what happens is you don't have as many people

477
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: engage in the story, and therefore the chances of finding

478
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: the person responsible, person's responsible diminishes because no one's paying

479
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: attention to anymore. It'll become one of those she's still missing.

480
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: It'll just kind of fade away, which is it's horrible,

481
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 1: it's sad, and I feel badly for them, but it's

482
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 1: just the way it's always worked. And I think Samana

483
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: Guthrie is smart. She knows this, and so as soon

484
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Speaker 1: as a big story comes out in the news, that's it.

485
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: And even you know, I'm sure NBC will continue to

486
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Speaker 1: follow this the Today Show because it's on to their own,

487
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: but you know, other news agencies and I think just

488
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to social media and like we'll move

489
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: on sadly. It's just kind of how we are. I

490
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: think it's all sime. We have somebody on maybe tomorrow Wednesday.

491
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Speaker 1: Regarding the cameras themselves. So in America we all have

492
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Speaker 1: you know, we have more cameras who know what to

493
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: do with you may be I'm not using that stuff

494
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 1: at all. I mean that may be you, but you

495
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: still have stuff with cameras on them. And in that relationship,

496
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: are you concerned more about security or the surveillance date?

497
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: And because I don't think you can really balance them both,

498
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Speaker 1: I think you got to make a decision. So something

499
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: like one in five homes in America now have a

500
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: video door belt, there's nests, there's ring, and they made

501
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: big newsies past weeks Nancy Guthrie case and that Kesh

502
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: Pattel came out and said, well, yeah, she didn't pay

503
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: for the count and they let the subscription laps because

504
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: it goes to the cloud. You pay that there's residual

505
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: data located in back end systems. I have no idea

506
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Speaker 1: what that statement meant other than the fact that we'll

507
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: hold on just a second. Even though you're not subscribing,

508
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: it's still recording and uploading to the cloud. Is that

509
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: what you're saying. And then to unlock that material you

510
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: need you need to pay the subscription, which a lot

511
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: of people go, what am I paying this for? Well,

512
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: if you think about it, there's what twenty million households

513
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: that have these things. That's a lot of disk space

514
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: and you got to pay for your storage.

515
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

516
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: And the people to monitor this stuff and they got

517
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 1: to make a profit. That's where these subscription fees goes.

518
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: It's out there in the ether. I'm a cloud somewhere

519
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 1: and when you hear this, you go, wow, that may

520
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: help catch the killer or you go, whoa on just

521
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: a second, am I always under surveillance and the question

522
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: is yes. So the super Bowl ad came out and

523
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 1: you may recall her, maybe not the one that Ring did,

524
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: and initially in your drunken super Bowl state and maybe

525
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: drunk from alcohol, but probably from food, your food drunk.

526
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: You watch that ad and want, oh, that's pretty cool.

527
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: My dog is missing. And the Ring cameras create this network.

528
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: So everyone who has the Ring branded camera uses some

529
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: of your band with them and your WiFi to share

530
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: the data and information. And so now we have facial

531
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 1: recognition technology. The same company that developed license plates or

532
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: readers for police departments and facial recognition technology for airports

533
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: and public places. You can now get that as predicted.

534
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: Now get that in your home product and your Ring

535
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: door belt, and so we can see your Hey, there's

536
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: your dog.

537
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: Your dog's missing.

538
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: You upload a couple of photos your dog, and the

539
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: flock system, the proprietary software, is able to create a

540
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: facial recognition thumbprint of the dog and go, hey, there's

541
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: a okay, is it an Irish setter? Is it the Dashian?

542
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: What do you got? A mutt with a curly tail,

543
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: no tail, whatever it might be, And they are able

544
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: to go, oh, it's a few blocks over we got

545
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: to hit on this house up the street. That's where

546
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: your dog might be. Go check that neighbor, Go check

547
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: that street, which is watch anyone? Oh, that's really cool.

548
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: I have a dog. I've dog, maybe McCAT I might

549
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: have a And then enough people want hold on just

550
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: a second. If you can do that with a dog,

551
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: you certainly can do that with someone's face. And we

552
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: actually have had that technology for some time. I know

553
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: there's like my cue, which I think is a Chamberlain product.

554
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: Garage door openers has that feature on it that you

555
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: can activate it and if someone comes to your camera

556
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: in front of your camera near your garage door maybe

557
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: I don't knowin the Amazon guy whatever it is, they

558
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: will recognize that person's face going oh hey, or maybe

559
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: you're you know, maybe a relative came over. You know,

560
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: cousin Bob was dropping by, and you got his face

561
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: in there, you would tag You'd look at the video

562
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: and go, okay, that's cousin Bob, and then you'd put

563
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: that in there and the software would go, okay, every

564
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: time we see this face, the attachment is cousin Bob.

565
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: It lets you know cousin Bob was stopping by your

566
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: house or grandm or grandpa, mom, dad, kids, whomever, which

567
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: I think is pretty cool. And the same way now,

568
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: I mean even ring an extension of that is it

569
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: recognizes if there's a package at your front door. Now,

570
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: so it doesn't say hey, motion at the front door goes, oh,

571
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: a package has been dropped to your front door, because

572
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: it sees a person carrying a box or a package

573
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: and then they set it down and now there's something

574
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: in that view that wasn't there before and they just go, oh,

575
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: it's package. So we still have that technology out there,

576
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: just they've backed off the advertising from saying that it

577
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: is a something that's going to recognize a human face

578
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: and that's that's what this is. And so as someone

579
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: who's invested this to myself in these systems, and I

580
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: had to make a conscious effort on going okay, am

581
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: I worried about surveillance or am I worried about security?

582
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: And I think you come a point in time, and

583
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: this may be a paradox here because the older you get,

584
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: the more distrustful and paranoid you become. I don't want

585
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: to say that, you know, you get older, you're paranoid.

586
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: That's probably a bad choice of words. You know, I'm

587
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: saying you tend to be a little more guarded, like

588
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: things are changing around you so much, like I'm not

589
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: sure about all this stuff, you know, and you consume

590
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: news and the world's a dangerous place, YadA, YadA. Even

591
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: though it's a much much safer world today than it

592
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: was yesterday, it doesn't seem that way. But you know,

593
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: you go back to the wild wild West, you go

594
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: back to the nineteen hundred, nineteen fifties, it was much

595
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: more dangerous society then. Now you hear more about the

596
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: instances of disappearances, and you know, people killing each other

597
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: and certainly some the homicide rates, and like, yeah, I

598
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: get that, but yeah, as far as overall safety goes,

599
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: and that's a whole bunch of different things besides someone

600
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: who's a predator factoring, and so the world's pretty safe place

601
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: from food and water supplies and national security and everything else.

602
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: But you know, we're in a data relas messages all

603
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: the time, so we have a sense of paranoid. And

604
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: the older you get because things change and you yearn

605
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: for the long the good old days, and the good

606
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: days really weren't all that good. History tends to kind

607
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: of wash out the bad things, you remember the good things.

608
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,919
Speaker 1: That's just how we're wired as human beings. But at

609
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: my age now I look at it and go, you

610
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: know what, I Oh, Okay, if I were younger, going

611
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I don't what's going to something could happen in my life,

612
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: and I like, I don't. I'm I know I'm not

613
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: going to become a criminal. At this age, I look

614
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: at that and going, yeah, I'm I're going to be

615
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: a those are a high profile criminal. I would have

616
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: probably done that in my twenties, thirties, maybe forties, but

617
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: by then you're like, I'm tired, I'm older. I just

618
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: said it's gonna go through the motions of life. So

619
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: now with the boy in my life going, yeah, I'm

620
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: more worried about security than I am about big Brother

621
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: coming to get me, because up to this point, I've

622
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: done nothing in my life remarkably remarkable enough to warrant

623
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: the attention of federal or local or state authorities. At

624
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: this point in my life like yeah, security for me,

625
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: So put the camera's up. But then the cloud, I

626
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: got this that you you know, and I like to

627
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: see what's going on. Plus my wife, God bless her.

628
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: I love her to death, but she is a nosy cuss.

629
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: She Now she's she needs to know what's happening in

630
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. So if she needs to see something, she

631
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: can pull up with a camera. Oh okay, I see

632
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: what's going on. They're getting a pizza over there. That's

633
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: a third night this week. All right, all right, get

634
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: a hobby. You need to monitor with the neighbors at

635
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: door dashing down the street. But it's interesting too that

636
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: we allow this stuff, and it's just it's mission creep

637
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: that you know, it wasn't long ago within our lifetimes,

638
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Like a camera was a big deal. You know, who

639
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: had cameras. The TV stations had cameras, and the police,

640
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: like they didn't have cameras, they didn't have body cameras,

641
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: they'd have dashboard cameras, they have all this stuff. Like

642
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: a camera was like, well, that's high technology right there.

643
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I'd imagine. I went around, But like in sixty nine

644
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: when Armstrong they've got a camera that they've got tied

645
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: in so you get live shots of the moon. I

646
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: was like, what what.

647
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 6: Can you imagine?

648
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 7: What that was?

649
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 4: Was?

650
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: Was th in nineteen sixty nine, were like the astronauts

651
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Speaker 1: are on the moon and they've got a camera and

652
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Speaker 1: they're showing you live shots of the moon.

653
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Speaker 2: That's crazy, and it used to be film.

654
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Speaker 3: Now.

655
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Speaker 1: The legendary Chick Poppy just passed away from Channel nine

656
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: by the way, who uh literally one of the best

657
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: photo journalists probably in the country, but happened to be

658
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Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati, just passed away, I think at eighty two.

659
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Speaker 1: And the stuff that he shot was remarkable. But that

660
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: you know, he worked at a time too, even before videotape,

661
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: where you you'd shoot the news and then you'd have

662
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Speaker 1: to rush back to the station and have the film

663
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Speaker 1: developed and you cross your fingers you got what you needed.

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Speaker 1: And then in the late sixties early seventies, like the

665
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Speaker 1: advent of videotape and live shots came along with these

666
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Speaker 1: big giant things. If you watched I have some historical

667
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: stuff from like a political conventions, Dan rathers on the

668
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Speaker 1: floor of the sixty eight convention.

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Speaker 2: There's a guy behind him as.

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Speaker 1: His giant backpack on and that was the battery in

671
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Speaker 1: the consolea They could, you know, have a live shot

672
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Speaker 1: without a warrior, which was remarkable back then and it

673
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: lasted for like four minutes because the battery technology wasn't good.

674
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Speaker 1: You fast forward to today and we just take it

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Speaker 1: for granted with cameras. You know, our TVs have cameras

676
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: on them, or to what we're watching. Has a TV

677
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: has a camera on it? Your computer monitor has a

678
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: camera on it, your phone, you take that everywhere. You

679
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: forget there's a camera on there, and we just, oh,

680
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm getting a cell phone, I'm getting in a sealphane.

681
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, I don't look that, suck your chinks on it.

682
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a filter on this. We're doing stuff

683
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 1: that you know, thirty forty years ago unheard of. Ten

684
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: years ago is unheard of. And now it's just the

685
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: cameras are so ingrained in our life, in our society

686
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: that we just forget they're there and what they can do.

687
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: And you know, when you do that, when they become

688
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: omnipresent and they're just they're part of our lives, we

689
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: just don't think about them because they're all over the place.

690
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: We have devices that are connected to the Internet.

691
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Speaker 2: I did that. You have a refrigerator that took to

692
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Speaker 2: the internet.

693
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: A dishwak we have a dishwasher, can hook it up

694
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Speaker 1: to the wife, why do I need my dishwasher and

695
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: a Wi Fi for I will say that the washer

696
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: dry with a Wi Fi. That's pretty cool because it

697
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: tells you when your draws are done. Little thing will

698
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: pop up, go, hey, your draws clean, and that reminds you, Oh, yeah,

699
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: don't forget it because I'll turn stinky. You got to

700
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: put them in the dry or dryer draws off. So yeah,

701
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: your draw is done. There you go. That's pretty cool.

702
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: Oh you left the garage door open. Oh, it's a

703
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: garage op. I'm going to look at this camera right here.

704
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty cool. But I'm also cautious and

705
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: measured and making sure that things are secure as secure

706
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: as as possible. I would contend if you really really

707
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: want to, and maybe this is the case of Nancy

708
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: Guthrie too, is that if you all want to target

709
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: someone and get so you know, a particular individual, household

710
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: or business, whatever, you know, you can you can monitor

711
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: them and get on their their Wi Fi.

712
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: You can see what they have in there.

713
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: If you're really really good at this or no, someone is,

714
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: if you wanted to infiltrate them, you can do that.

715
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, it tends to be the weakest passwords of

716
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: the people who wind up being compromised, and especially in

717
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: urban centers where there's a lot of I don't know,

718
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: apartments or condos around and you could just pull it

719
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: up and take a look at it as opposed to

720
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: driving house to house. So but if you wanted to

721
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: target one person, you certainly could do that. That may

722
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: have very well been the case with Nancy Guthrie, but

723
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: we have just it's become so ingrained like anything society.

724
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: We just now it's boiling the frog. That analogy. If

725
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: you want to put a frog in a pot of

726
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: boiling water, the frogle jump out, but if you try

727
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: to heat up slowly, but the frog and there doesn't

728
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: know any better that we're all frogs in that regard,

729
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: are we? And you wonder where this is all going

730
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: in the future. And I think that's the fascinating part

731
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: about it. That's today And they way, oh, okay, well

732
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: it's too much with the facial recognition. But you know

733
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Speaker 1: what it'll happen is at some point there'll be a

734
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: high profan and maybe I don't think it's gonna be

735
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie, but now people go, you know what, that's

736
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Speaker 1: a feature that I really want. I want to be

737
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: able to find my dog. I want to be able

738
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Speaker 1: to identify that person in front of my house. And

739
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: I think enough people will throw as I did, they

740
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: wait and go security versus big Brother surveillance. You know,

741
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: you're always gonna have those two parties. And there's plenty

742
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: of people who absolutely want no part of it. You know,

743
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: won't even have people out there, won't have a cell

744
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: phone because they're worried about surveillance. But the minute you

745
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: walk out of your house, the minute you will go

746
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: outside those doors of your home, you're being recorded. Which

747
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: even makes this Nancy Guthrie disappearance even more confounding, is

748
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: that there's so many cameras up all over the place

749
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: at all times, in the ease and way which law

750
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: enforcement can seamlessly put all those things together to find

751
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: out who done it. You feel like at some point,

752
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: any day, now, any minute, they're going to announce an

753
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: act arrests because they have enough information to go with.

754
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: And yet here it is two weeks and now we're

755
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: in danger of the story falling off the face of

756
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: the news, and you wonder what that means. At some

757
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: point somebody's gonna get captured. It's almost too damn hard

758
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: for them not to at this point, I guess. So anyway,

759
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: either you're on the prosecurity side or the big brother side,

760
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: just so I don't think you can go well, yeah,

761
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a kind of blend to both worlds. It seems

762
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: like an issue that's in an era of in a

763
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: day of everything's gray with a big gray.

764
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: Area out there. It seems like a black and white thing.

765
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: Like once you dip your toe, you're pretty much once

766
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: you go, yeah, I want a camera monitoring my front door,

767
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: and then you go, well, what about the back door?

768
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: What about the side? Or what about my garage? What

769
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: about It's just it's just a you know, modern society

770
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: we all got. We're all going to have to make

771
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: that choice at some point, I suppose, so if either

772
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: word about security or surveillance, but you can't have both anyway.

773
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: We've got to get a news update in. I've rambled

774
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: long enough on this President's Day. Coming up next, actually

775
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow, it is Marty gro twenty twenty six

776
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center. Once again, I will

777
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: be King of Marty Grau with my Queen Sheila Gray

778
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: from Local twelve, who will join us next on the

779
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: show to talk about that event. I'm going to ask

780
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: her about the Nancy Guthrie thing. She's in the public

781
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: eye and how does she look at that as someone

782
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: on TV and you know, all about her life. I

783
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: wonder if that's something that most people in her profession,

784
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: or even my profession for the Matta look at and go, wow,

785
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty scary. Could that happen to me anyway? Sheila

786
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: jump Shishi, my girl, Sheisha, I've known Chieshi for years.

787
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: My good friend Sheila Grell joined the show next afternows

788
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: on seven hundred W.

789
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Speaker 2: Well Dowdy Cincinnati, don't want.

790
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: To be an American idio Scott fluon show here.

791
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: This is seven hundred WLW.

792
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: Welcome to it. On this Monday morning, President's Day, twenty

793
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Speaker 1: twenty six. I am not the only person in media

794
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: that's working today. I just saw my dear friend Sheila

795
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: Gray from Local twelve wrap up the morning show over

796
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: there with her Zog and everyone else. Good morning, she

797
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: she how are you dear?

798
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: Good morning, my king? How are you?

799
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm well? My queen Tomorrow a martographer, homeless kids, twenty

800
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Speaker 1: twenty six, Northern Kentucky Convention Center. Five point thirty, the

801
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: VIP action begins, and then six thirty all the dominions

802
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: file in and there's food, and there's drink, and there's

803
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: revel where we have a good time. People throw bread.

804
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: Sheila's up there with her infectious smile atop the giant

805
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: rolling painters truck aka the float she got the painter's right,

806
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: it's fantastic. It's a beautiful time.

807
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 7: They were in here last week and I said, who

808
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 7: came up with that idea of this crazy float traveling

809
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 7: around the inside of a convention center.

810
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: I think it was Gordy Snyder.

811
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 7: But it's the thirty five year that they've been doing this,

812
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 7: more than three million dollars raised.

813
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: It's incredible. Yeah, you get a lot of laughs and

814
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 4: then you do something good all at the same time.

815
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of these days, you know, you thirty five

816
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: years old. That's how old that that that the thing

817
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: is they move us around on. Yeah, take a paint

818
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: Every year. There's a couple more screws loose, kind of

819
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: like the rest of us here, And I just wonder

820
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: one of these that we just fall into the buffet

821
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: table of we're just covered in ham and cheese and uh,

822
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: I have ways. Yeah, they're probably why we drowned, drowned

823
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: in the vat at cheese.

824
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 8: Uh.

825
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: Of course, the Joe Burrow Foundation in uh in Fort

826
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Mercedes Ben's of Fort Mitchell, along with Jeff

827
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: Ruby Foundation are our sponsor. We have three big sponsors

828
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: this year, which means more money for the kids, which

829
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: is wonderful.

830
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 4: I know, it's incredible.

831
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 7: And don't forget our friends at Jeff Wyler they are

832
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 7: always really incredible too. But I'm so glad that we

833
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 7: have these so many more backers behind us because we

834
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 7: can do so many more things. We can provide so

835
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 7: many more meals for Welcome House, Brighton Center and Bethany

836
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 7: House Services because you know, the need is greater than

837
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 7: it's been in a long time, with inflation and rising

838
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 7: costs and things like that. Uh, people need a lot

839
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 7: of help and we're able to provide it with this.

840
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Speaker 7: It's really gratifying.

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00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

842
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: So this raises enough money to provide well over one

843
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand meals a year to those three organizations.

844
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: You mention your children to need and so they get

845
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Speaker 1: a they get a solid meal once a day for

846
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: an entire year, and and it always seems kind of

847
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: like it seems weird that we're going to go eat

848
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: and stuff ourselves for kids who don't enough to eat

849
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: and drink, and but you know what, it works out,

850
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: and the kids are the benefactors in the agencies there

851
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: as well. So I always loved one of my favorite

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00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: events of the year.

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00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 7: Mine too, And I feel like I always see tons

854
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 7: of my friends and neighbors there. You're always going to

855
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 7: run into people you know and have a really good time.

856
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 7: And DV eight is playing music this this year. The

857
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 7: Silent Auction is already live if you wanted to go

858
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 7: check that out and Marty grot nky dot org and

859
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 7: check out some of the really cool stuff.

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: There's of course some.

861
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow stuff in there, of course, begles and red

862
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 7: gear and lots of really good bourbon baskets and things

863
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 7: like that.

864
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: So that's the fun part of it too.

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Speaker 1: One of the big auctions from the Joe Burrow Foundation

866
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: is the dinner, so they're gonna auction out dinner with

867
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's parents that they are.

868
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 4: The nicest people. I didn't really like that no.

869
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 7: They I'm so glad that they're gonna be gonna be

870
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 7: there and be part of this because they they are

871
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 7: so nice. I feel like they're the the the people

872
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 7: who keep Joe grounded, keep him like a normal guy.

873
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's sweet people and

874
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: I I just heard that. I didn't know that was

875
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: gonna be the big auction thing was dinner with them.

876
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's their house are going to

877
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: take out the restaurant could be Skyline.

878
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't know.

879
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: But the guy that I tell you there's one person

880
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: in this town that you're gonna have a tough person

881
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: out bidding because he's got serious, serious national broadcast money.

882
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: That would be the afore mentioned Tom Brunneman. Tom Brenneman said,

883
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bid fast soon and often. I will outbid

884
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: anyone in that room. And a chance to have dinner

885
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: with the with the Boroughs, he will.

886
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: Don't you think they would just go out to dinner

887
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: with Tommy.

888
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: No one really wants to hang out with tom. You

889
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: gotta gotta pay, he said, I'm going to be He said,

890
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: he's going to start the bidding. He's starting the bidding

891
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: himself at ten thousand dollars.

892
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: How about that.

893
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

894
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: Good for Tom.

895
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 7: You're really going to make You're really going to be there,

896
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 7: and you're not going to stand me up this year

897
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 7: like he did.

898
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: I got sick as a dog last year. I don't

899
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: know what hit me, Sheila. You did not want to

900
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: be around me. Believe me. I think it was but

901
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: I get the flu shot. I don't know. As I recall,

902
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: I was sick as a dog, and I was very

903
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: sad to have to call and go, oh my god, I.

904
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: Can't make it.

905
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: I will be here this year. I know it's very sack.

906
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: It's very sad, but I will be unless maybe it's

907
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: brewing inside me again right now. I don't know, Sheila,

908
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: but I will come. Yeah. I don't care how sick

909
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I am. You know what if I projectile vomit on you,

910
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'll apologize. I had. Yeah, yeah, that's not

911
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: that's not beads. He's thrown at the crowd. You you

912
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: got to bring this down your outfit.

913
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 4: Do you have a special outfit?

914
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: No, because we have to wear the what is it

915
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: the cape and the crown?

916
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 5: Yes?

917
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you don't really.

918
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 4: Need it, but part of the time you're not wearing it.

919
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 4: Have something?

920
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: What are you wearing? Did you go get an outfit?

921
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: You go to Nordstrom?

922
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 7: I did not, but I found a cute purple top.

923
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 7: Cute your purple Marty you off?

924
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: You know.

925
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm not going to be like Sarah Leice. She'll

926
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 7: have a ball down the.

927
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's ridiculous.

928
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 4: That will always I always.

929
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 7: I just like have so she has like fashion goals,

930
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 7: like that is the goal that women want.

931
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: To She Actually she has took today off just so

932
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: she could. She started doing makeup this morning.

933
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: That's pretty funny.

934
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: It's pretty true that. It's very true, very very very

935
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: very true. Actually, I'm wearing a wear it.

936
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm wearing a T shirt with your face on it.

937
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: How's that? Oh that'd be cool.

938
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: I would love that. Sign it for you?

939
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: Will you a?

940
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: Sheila Grays here from Local twelve. She is my queen

941
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: Marty Grat tomorrow for It's Homeless Kids northn Kentucky Convention Center,

942
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: which is always a wonderful thing. I do believe we

943
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: do have some tickets left. Marty Grot twenty twenty six

944
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: dot org. If you happen to be in your Bethany

945
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: House or Brighton Center or Welcome House or Mercedes Benz

946
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: a Fort Mitchell. You can buy a ticket, a actual

947
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: ticket there and come. It's like one hundred bucks VIPs

948
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but it starts at five thirty.

949
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: An extra hour of eating and drinking, so you can

950
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: have the big piece of chicken if that's what you

951
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: want to do. But it all goes to get one

952
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand meals a year to kids in need

953
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: here in the Cincinnati area. You mentioned DV eight. Have

954
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: you ever seen DV eight before?

955
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

956
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: Well, you don't. You don't stay past five, so that's

957
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: a problem because you get up into a godly hour.

958
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

959
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 4: It's a huge issue.

960
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 7: I miss a lot of entertaining things, going to bed

961
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 7: as earliest.

962
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 9: I really somedays is free with your tickets. Oh yeah,

963
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 9: parking is free. I mentioned DV one of my most

964
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 9: besties on Melissa Reed, who's just a lovely person, lead singer,

965
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 9: one of the most talented, gifted vocalists.

966
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: I think it's Cincinnati. I have seen them over the years

967
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: many many times. That is that's a blast. They're absolutely great,

968
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: what a great show that's going to be. You mentioned

969
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: the free parking across the street as well. You can

970
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,479
Speaker 1: get the valet, the bougie valet with the VIP that's

971
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: really really nice. And the nice part about it hill

972
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: is by ten o'clock it's it's over and you go

973
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: back and now you can take the next the day

974
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: off and there's the Embassy Streets right across the street

975
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: if you want to. Maybe you messed up Valentine's Day

976
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: or forgot, this is a good Valentine's Day present.

977
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 7: It's an absolutely it's a great present, or you know,

978
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 7: just an ash Wednesday present now I'm just kidding. Wow.

979
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 7: But the other great thing about it is if you

980
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 7: don't have like Marty Gras beads and things like that,

981
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 7: tell them there. Yeah, so you're all taken care of.

982
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 7: You just and you can even buy your ticket at

983
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 7: the door. If you don't have time to get over

984
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 7: to one of the spots that we're helping to buy

985
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 7: your tickets, you can take them up here.

986
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is nice. So there's also a million auction

987
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: items there too, and you lose your mind with all

988
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: the cool stuff that they have mentioned. The Robin Joe Burrow,

989
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: the the Dinner with the Burrows. But also I think

990
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: aren't they are they doing it again this year where

991
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: they auction off and you will rub someone's feet? Is

992
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: that what? Well, that's where like a foot massage, Shila

993
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Graham foot massage.

994
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: That is not I have not signed off on.

995
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: Why don't you put yourself out there a little bit?

996
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: Huh?

997
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: You should do something for the kids.

998
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 7: That would be the kind of thing that would be

999
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 7: on that would be on the internet forever.

1000
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 4: You'd never get rid of it.

1001
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: She'll why would you say that? That's dumb? Sheillot doesn't

1002
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: their feet are gross? You? Yeah, she comes to your

1003
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: house and gives you a foot massage.

1004
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: How's that?

1005
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: No? Not, No, I'll do anything for the kids, but

1006
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that.

1007
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: All right. We will be in the uh so right

1008
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: next to the door.

1009
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: You and I will be there. We do pictures in

1010
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: the in the King and Queen Garb too as well.

1011
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: And I think John John is our gesture, perfect gesture,

1012
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: because that guy love to get dressed up like a

1013
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: He dresses up like those He really does, doesn't he?

1014
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like a little.

1015
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Kid with that stuff. He's got spider man, he's aid

1016
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: the of course Elf. He starts dressing the Elf costume

1017
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: right after Thanksgiving. It doesn't He's still wearing it as

1018
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: a matter of fact. That's pretty tired. Now he's got

1019
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: a Gester outfit for tomorrow night.

1020
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: What should be funny.

1021
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 4: Yep, it will be funny. I hope it has tights.

1022
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he needs Steen's investors and maybe some

1023
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: new tights there.

1024
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 2: Talk about the food really quick, the food and dress.

1025
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 7: We had people in here from Governor's house the other

1026
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 7: day and they're making this short rib with mushroom of

1027
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 7: zoto that will just set you free.

1028
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 4: You also have Kingcakes there, you have.

1029
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 7: Oriental Walk will be there with Chinese food, and tomorrow's

1030
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 7: Lunar New Year, you'll have New Orleans style food. Just

1031
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 7: so many restaurants from both sides of the river come

1032
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 7: over there. And don't forget all the different bourbons and

1033
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 7: beers and wines, all kinds of spirits. It's really really fun.

1034
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's more than you can drink and eat there.

1035
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: So you know, they have little samples and you try

1036
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: it and you're like, well, I lot some more of

1037
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: that and don't fill up on the first station there's

1038
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: the there's the advice for you.

1039
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 4: That's right, pace yourself, Pace.

1040
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Yourself, go around the room at least twice, and then

1041
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of like going to taste the Cincinnati. You

1042
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: go around and you strategic go oh yeah that that

1043
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: that that, and then you go back and you hit them.

1044
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: You got to you absolutely have to scout. There's some

1045
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: advanced scouting going on.

1046
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 7: I think there's fifty different restaurants and distilleries and things

1047
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 7: this year, or fifty five.

1048
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: You mentioned it lunar. Yeah, I mean right. It's all

1049
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: the food and all the drink for one ticket. So

1050
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: I would say this is like the best Valentine's Day

1051
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: gift you can get because you're helping, you know, it's

1052
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: a good cause and that makes your heart happy. But

1053
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: also the food and drink, it's it's fantastic. And it's

1054
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night and you can't get too crazy on

1055
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night. It's perfect, right, yeah, absolutely perfect.

1056
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: That's good.

1057
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: You mentioned it's a lunar New Year. Is that is

1058
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: that Chinese New Year?

1059
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's Chinese New Year, and uh it's going to

1060
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 7: be the Year of the Horse, the Year of the Horse.

1061
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 7: Tomorrow night, I don't know how often Lunar New Year

1062
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 7: and Fat Tuesday.

1063
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 4: Co inside like that. I think that's kind of cool neither.

1064
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, so I gotta you gotta remember now

1065
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: it's still you're the horse, because Sheila, don't keep writing

1066
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,320
Speaker 1: the year of the Cat on your checks. You got it.

1067
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: That's the worst part about the Lunar New Year's I

1068
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: keep writing, I keep putting here the snake on my check.

1069
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: I got to cross it out. It's terrible, It's absolutely terrible.

1070
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: I thought you on your chest, on my chest. You're

1071
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: still thinking about foot rubs. She she's foot rubs. She's

1072
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna put a booth though I've got them. I got

1073
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: Shila flustered lust Her face face now mashes the cutar.

1074
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: Her hair, it's all red. She's all red, looks like

1075
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: a big sunburn. And I apologize in advance because I

1076
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: know you're gonna you're like, you're the nicest person in

1077
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: the world that you're gonna get pelted with stale bread.

1078
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: I'm sorry in advance.

1079
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 7: It happened last year, and you weren't even there to

1080
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 7: take it and protect me.

1081
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: A drill. Sheila got her nose broken. She she was

1082
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: off our for three weeks.

1083
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 7: I know hopefully they'll have like a plastic surgery basket

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Speaker 7: just the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is I have nothing to do with

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00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: So McConnell started this years ago where his his drunk

1089
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: buddies would show up at Marty Grot. Uh and and

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a Clossman bread stand there and all

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00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: they all they give you out is bread, just rolls,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if they have butter.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just dry bread.

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Speaker 1: And uh yeah, yeah, it's last year's and they tag

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00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: it and go, here's some bread. And his buddies were

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00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: like just started tossing bread at him, and then it

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00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: became hurling bread. And now that I've been doing this

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Speaker 1: where well we've been doing this for like style last

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Speaker 1: ten years, it's the trend is continue where Mike will

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00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: show up and throw bread at us. And we had

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00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: Austin Almore and Tony Pike and we were getting absolutely

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Speaker 1: raked over the a couple of years ago. Uh and

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Speaker 1: maybe subconscoence. That's why I got sick last year. I

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00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: can't I can't handle the bread, the bread attacks anymore.

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00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: It's unprecedented. Yeah, chick and I don't want to get

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00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: in that and tholes, you got thirty five roles.

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00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: Coming at you at one time.

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00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: You didn't show up before school for the fight.

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00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I got a test today. Mom, I'm sick,

1110
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: but I'm sick going to school, so watch out for

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00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: flying watch out for flying flying bread. So yeah, it'll

1112
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Speaker 1: be It's a fantastic time. And of course this benefits,

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00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: this benefits of the homeless agencies in town, Brighton Center,

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Speaker 1: Welcome House, Bething House for Kids. I want to can

1115
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: I take it serious for a second here and totally

1116
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: Martin grad late because I was thinking about this before

1117
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: you came home today. I was just talking about the

1118
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie case, which of course is it's just horrible

1119
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: watching Savannah Guthrie. Uh and just how how mostly broken

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Speaker 1: to the point where I don't know if you saw this,

1121
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: but she's not considering maybe never turning to the Today

1122
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: Show because I've heard that because she feels that she's

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00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: responsible for putting her mom on camera. And I thought,

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00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to my girl, Sheila. Not that

1125
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: you've done that before, but you know you Today's Today's

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00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: TV Mornings. Basically, if you go back in the day

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00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: to the you know, radio morning shows kind of like

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00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: best friend waking up to you.

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00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: Guys, and TV have taken that over.

1130
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: It's been that way for a long time, and so

1131
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: you guys open up your you know, you you come

1132
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: across as friendly and open, and people feel they know

1133
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: you. You see what happened with her? Does that concern you?

1134
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: Does that like something you now thought about after this happened?

1135
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 7: You know what I thought about it before this happened,

1136
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 7: because I get concerned about people putting like every stage

1137
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 7: of their kids faces and lives online, you know.

1138
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 4: And I'm not judging.

1139
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 7: I mean, everybody can do what they want to do,

1140
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 7: but I'm kind of careful with like just what I

1141
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 7: post about my family and I you know, what Savannah got.

1142
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 7: I would hate for her to think that she's somehow

1143
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 7: responsible for this.

1144
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 4: She's not bad.

1145
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 7: People do bad things and she is in no way

1146
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 7: responsible for that. But I can totally understand why she

1147
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 7: would maybe want to take a step back from from this,

1148
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 7: you know, being in the spotlight, after after what she's

1149
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 7: been through, you know. And I'm hoping, against hope that

1150
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 7: they find her mom and she'll be all right and

1151
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 7: she can go and spend time with her mom and

1152
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 7: take a step back that way. But I think I

1153
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 7: think the way with just the way the world is

1154
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 7: right now, I think everybody should be concerned with how

1155
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 7: much we put out there in public, even whether you're

1156
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 7: on TV or you're not.

1157
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about influencers and people.

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00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 7: You don't know what's gonna make somebody decide that they

1159
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 7: like the way you look or somebody in your family looks,

1160
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 7: and you can because anybody can be a target. Unfortunately,

1161
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 7: that's one of the dangers of social media and just

1162
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 7: how public everything is now.

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00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: I kind of get where she's coming from. She's like, well,

1164
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: I put my mom on. I kind of made her,

1165
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, a mini celebrity. We had that they shot

1166
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: a something at her house, I guess in Tucson, and

1167
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: so some people can see the inside of her house

1168
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: and thinking that, well, you know, it's good for ratings,

1169
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: and it's also you know, it's that side of me

1170
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: and the personal interesting. And and now she's second guessing

1171
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: that whole thing, like she had something to do with this.

1172
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1173
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: It's just it's so heartbreaking because I wasn't. It's just

1174
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: like it could have happened to anyone.

1175
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 7: It could have happened to anybody, and I every time

1176
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 7: I see her, my heart just goes out to her.

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00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 7: You know, you can just tell that she's she's just

1178
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 7: tortured by this what no matter whoever had anything to

1179
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 7: do with it. Her mom is missing, and she's you know,

1180
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 7: I'm sure she's not sleeping, and I just can't. It

1181
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 7: just breaks my.

1182
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: Heart, that's the whole thing.

1183
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: But you can't, you can't look at her and not

1184
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 4: just be.

1185
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: Heartbreaking hundred percent.

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00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: Anyway.

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00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: It's again, you know, you're not have no idea how

1188
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: people react to things, that's sure. Whether you're you know,

1189
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: you or Savannah Guthrie or me or someone on social

1190
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: media and influence whoever it might be, you just don't

1191
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: know anyway. So what time you get in there, Tom

1192
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: are like at what five thirty five twenty nine?

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00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 7: I'll be there in place, ready to go, with every

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Speaker 7: hair in its place by five thirty.

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00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: Five thirty if anything, She's prompt well, And that also

1196
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: takes twenty minutes to figure. So we wear these capes

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00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: with the with the helmets and everything, and it's always

1198
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: like a it's always this process puzzle. It really is.

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Speaker 1: Every year. Every year she does like I just forum

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00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: she puts her stuff on. I've got this cape I

1201
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: got to put on, and it's like there's these weird

1202
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: snaps on it. They haven't heard of Bell Crow. I'm

1203
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: the damn king. I should I should be able to

1204
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: be had someone beheaded?

1205
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you should have like your own staff of people.

1206
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: And it's just that always falls off I just because

1207
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: people step on it.

1208
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: It's like it's a whole thing, really is. It's a

1209
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: whole fun. It's a whole The things we have to

1210
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Speaker 2: do with to help the children.

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Speaker 4: We wouldn't have it any other way.

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Speaker 2: We wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: It's always a it's a great event and I love

1214
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: the I love the cause too. It's the best part.

1215
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Speaker 1: So anyway, if you heard this you're interested in, Hey,

1216
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Speaker 1: last minute, let's do it. Northern Kentucky Convention Center Tomorrow

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Speaker 1: for general. It's like one hundred bucks Marty Grot twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six dot org. It's a virtual tickets, So go ahead.

1220
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Speaker 1: It's it's gonna help feed kids, and you have I

1221
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Speaker 1: guarantee you're gonna have a blast, bring some friends with you.

1222
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: She she I see tomorrow.

1223
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Speaker 4: All right, Scott, You'll see you Tomorrow'll.

1224
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Speaker 1: Take care as you goo My friend Shila Gray on

1225
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: the Scott Sloan Show This morning with news happening in

1226
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Speaker 1: about three minutes here, and then Mental Health Monday with

1227
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Speaker 1: Julie h that's next seven hundred WLW.

1228
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 7: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here

1229
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 7: to help us get our heads right.

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00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

1231
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: It is pretty persistent when it comes to us as Americans,

1232
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: and that is the issue of rest in recovery because

1233
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: we were taught at an early age it's about productivity.

1234
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: It's about uh burn baby burn and burn the candle

1235
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: at both ends and it becomes addictive. Right, It's part

1236
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: of your DNA and that that productivity and that always

1237
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: on the go attitude really riaks havoc on our bodies

1238
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 1: and especially our mental health. So on that this morning

1239
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: is our licensed mental health therapist from Beconnected dot Care

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: in Clifton. That's Julie Hanisher. Julie, welcome, how are you?

1241
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: Uh oh wait a minute, we're losing your signal here,

1242
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: we've got a bad sell. Hold on, I'm gonna put

1243
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: you on hold. I'm gonna pick it back up. See

1244
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: you there we go, We got you. You're back now. Mean, yeah,

1245
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: I think that was our Our end is terrible because

1246
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: that was gonna be a lot. I'll be burned out

1247
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: if I had to fill the next fifteen minutes myself.

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00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 5: Talking about just chit chat exactly.

1249
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: Idle, stupid chit chat. And people are tired of me babbling.

1250
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: So the core issue is higher achievers, right, and I

1251
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: think a lot of people see themselves as higher achievers,

1252
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: and that means you never get to rest. That means

1253
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: you never get to turn it off, and even when

1254
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: you allegedly turn it off, you don't turn it off.

1255
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Speaker 1: So from a clinical perspective, here, being a licensed mental

1256
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: health therapist, what are the underlying psychological mechanisms that make

1257
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: us feel so uncomfortable or threatening to turn off our productivity?

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00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 5: A lot going on.

1259
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 8: There, And you know, last week or the week before,

1260
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 8: we talked about cognitive reserve as being important for managing

1261
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 8: the effects of dementia.

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Speaker 5: And one of the things that I think we don't realize.

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00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 8: Is that mental energy is a finite resource that we

1264
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 8: have a limited amount of it in any given day,

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00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 8: and we need to replenish and rejuvenate not just our

1266
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 8: physical energy, but our mental and our cognitive energy so

1267
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 8: that we don't burn ourselves out. And there are a lot.

1268
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 5: Of reasons why this is.

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 8: Hard to do, and one of the biggest ones is

1270
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 8: that information and stimulation comes at us twenty four to seven.

1271
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 8: It's really hard to shut ourselves down and unplug from

1272
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 8: all of the stimulation and all the information that's coming

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00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 8: at us. And when we think of ourselves as high achievers,

1274
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 8: are highly productive, and society rewards that, resting can feel

1275
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 8: self indulgent, it can feel like a waste of time.

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00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 8: It can feel like we're being lazy if we are

1277
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 8: resting and other people are still kicking it.

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00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: And so one of.

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00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: The things that we need to do is understand there.

1280
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 8: Are different types of rest that we need. There are

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00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 8: seven actually that we've determined, and figure out what works

1282
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 8: for us in terms of how to get them, because

1283
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 8: what looks like rest to us might not look like

1284
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 8: rest to somebody else and vice versa.

1285
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: Okay, so is there a difference between there's mental rest

1286
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: and physical rust? Are they one and the same.

1287
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 8: No, they're different, Okay, and there and there are five

1288
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 8: other types as well. So physical rest is either it

1289
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 8: can either be passive or active. So it can be

1290
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 8: literally sleep, it can be lying around on the couch

1291
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 8: or sitting still and doing something. But it can also

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00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 8: be active rest if you tend to be physically active,

1293
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 8: doing yoga or stretching, or taking a walk that's not

1294
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 8: a speed walk, that's more.

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: Of a stroll.

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Speaker 8: So active recovery down days can be really important, or

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Speaker 8: downtimes during.

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Speaker 5: Your day can be really import No professional or.

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Speaker 8: Elite athlete goes one hundred percent every day. They have

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Speaker 8: days where they hit it harder and they have days

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Speaker 8: where they do restorative practices.

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Speaker 1: And they cross train.

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Speaker 8: So football players do yoga, dancers do strength training, people

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Speaker 8: who run do strength training, and people who lift do

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Speaker 8: active cardio, so they cross train to keep their bodies moving,

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Speaker 8: but to activate different muscles and different nervous systems attributes.

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Speaker 8: So that is one way of getting physical rest. It

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Speaker 8: still feels productive, but you're not hitting at one hundred

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Speaker 8: percent every day.

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Speaker 5: Mental rest, on the other hand.

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Speaker 4: Is different.

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Speaker 8: That's allowing your brain to do different things or nothing

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Speaker 8: at all. So meditation is a form of mental rest.

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Speaker 8: But if you are a numbers person, doing something creative

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Speaker 8: or doing something that's more verbal, like reading a novel

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Speaker 8: or painting, can be a form of mental rest because

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Speaker 8: you're shifting from one type of task or activity or

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Speaker 8: thought process to a different type of task or activity

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Speaker 8: or thought process, which gives the part of your brain

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Speaker 8: that was doing what you primarily do a break and

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Speaker 8: allows you to stretch and grow, but also gives those

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Speaker 8: parts of your brain a break.

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Speaker 1: What about folks who, certainly not me, can never turn

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Speaker 1: their brains off. It's like a million things are coming

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Speaker 1: at you all the time.

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Speaker 2: What is that?

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, shutting down from the things coming

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Speaker 8: at you can help. So another type of rest that

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Speaker 8: we need, Remember I said there are seven. Another one

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Speaker 8: is sensory rest, and that's disconnecting from your screens. That's

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Speaker 8: disconnecting from external stimuli coming in. That's turning the TV off,

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Speaker 8: turning your phone off, in your computer off, maybe lighting

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Speaker 8: a candle or two, and just sitting with maybe a book,

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Speaker 8: or sitting with a musical instrument that you play, or

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Speaker 8: sitting with some music in the background. Disconnecting from the

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Speaker 8: inputs gives your brain a chance to stop processing the inputs,

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Speaker 8: because everything that comes in your brain has to process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and making a conscious effort to disconnect from that,

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Speaker 8: to disconnect from the sensory inputs, can help your brain

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01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 8: learn to shut down on its own without having to

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Speaker 8: do that, so you prime it to be able to quiet.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't have to be as significant as meditation, but it

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Speaker 8: can be taking a walk in a park without your headphones,

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01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 8: without a phone, just enjoying nature around you and shutting

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Speaker 8: out all of the other stimulation.

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Speaker 3: That's coming at you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just think about all the stuff I

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Speaker 1: gotta do when I'm done with my walk. What about

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01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: just a good old nap? What about just I pass

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Speaker 1: out for twenty minutes? Is that fine? Is that good?

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Speaker 1: Is that the same thing as meditation.

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Speaker 8: It's not the same thing as meditation, But naps are great.

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Speaker 8: Twenty to thirty minutes is ideal. More than that, you

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01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 8: start to get into a full sleep cycle, and that

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Speaker 8: can be a problem. But twenty to thirty minute apps

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Speaker 8: are ideal. I have a couch in my office and

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Speaker 8: I regularly take twenty or thirty minute naps in between clients.

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Speaker 1: It's fabulous.

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Speaker 8: It's really good for your brain. It's a quick shutdown

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Speaker 8: and a quick power up again. And if you keep.

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Speaker 5: It in that twenty to thirty minute range, you can typically.

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Speaker 8: Wake right back up and not be groggy. Anymore than that,

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Speaker 8: you run the risk of being groggy because you're part

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Speaker 8: way through a sleep cycle at that point.

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Speaker 1: At some point in my life, I'm going to treat

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Speaker 1: it like ice, Like if you have an injury, you

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Speaker 1: put ice on, you know, whatever the sore part is.

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Speaker 1: Twenty minutes of every hour. I'm going to nap twenty

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Speaker 1: minutes of every hour. See how that works out good

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Speaker 1: for you?

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Speaker 5: And I want I want to see how I want

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Speaker 5: to see how that works.

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Speaker 8: I can't imagine that every hour.

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Speaker 1: I'm digging twenty minutes resetting and I'll be really productive

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Speaker 1: for the next forty minutes.

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Speaker 2: But maybe there's something there.

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Speaker 1: Julie Hatters Share, a licensed metal health therapist, on the

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Speaker 1: show on seven hundred Wow Mental Health Monday, of course,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about resting is an important component here.

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Speaker 1: We don't do enough of it. And I'm not talking

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Speaker 1: about sleep, that's a different thing, but we're talking about

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Speaker 1: just mental rest because we're at higher burnout, your ability, anxiety,

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Speaker 1: all those things you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: There are two well seven core issues here mental rest

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Speaker 2: versus physical rest.

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Speaker 8: What else is there, Well, there was sensory which we

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01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 8: talked about reducing the inputs. There's social rest stepping away

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Speaker 8: if you are a social butterfly, stepping away from social commitments,

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Speaker 8: spending more time alone or one on one with someone

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Speaker 8: that you really connect with, versus all of the social

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Speaker 8: engagement which requires a lot of output of energy. We

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Speaker 8: all need time when we are more isolated and more cocooned.

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Speaker 5: Some of us need more than others.

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Speaker 8: Introverts tend to need more than extroverts, but we all

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Speaker 8: need some sort of social rest creativity, so taking a

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Speaker 8: break from being productive and focusing on the output and

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Speaker 8: spending time focusing on the process. So the purpose of

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Speaker 8: creative rest is to focus on the process of.

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Speaker 1: What you're doing, not the product or the output.

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Speaker 8: So it doesn't matter whether you can play a song

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Speaker 8: on the piano, but learning to play the piano is

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Speaker 8: a kind of rest, because rest basically is an intentional

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Speaker 8: disengagement from effort. So you are disengaging from one type

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Speaker 8: of effort and engaging in a different type of effort intentionally,

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Speaker 8: so creative rest is important for many people's. Spiritual rest

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Speaker 8: is important if you have a spiritual practice, whether it's

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Speaker 8: a religion, or you spend time in nature or you meditate.

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Speaker 8: Shifting from the world that we're in now to something

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Speaker 8: with higher meaning for you, that shift intentionally is a

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Speaker 8: form of rest, and the last one is emotional rest.

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Speaker 8: So a lot of us you and some degree as

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Speaker 8: a therapists, I present a not completely authentic face to

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Speaker 8: the world. So being able to step away from that

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Speaker 8: and be truly genuinely, fully authentic with some people in

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Speaker 8: your life, not having to present your corporate fath or

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Speaker 8: your professional face or your tea your face, or in

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Speaker 8: my case is a therapist face. But being able to

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Speaker 8: just genuinely be truly who you are is a form

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Speaker 8: of rest as well. But the idea is not that

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Speaker 8: you do nothing when you rest, it's that you do

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01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 8: something different than what you had been doing since your

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Speaker 8: attention intentionally to something else.

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Speaker 1: Take me through what that looks like.

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Speaker 8: Okay, so, if you are a numbers person or and

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Speaker 8: you sit at your desk all day, let's say, or

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01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 8: you're an account or in actuary and you sit at

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01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 8: your desk all day doing numbers work. A form of

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Speaker 8: rest for you might be taking a long walk with

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Speaker 8: your dog. A form of rest for you might be

1431
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 8: cooking a delicious meal. A form of rest for you

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01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 8: might be reading a book instead of staring at numbers

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01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 8: all day, reading a novel something for fun. It might

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Speaker 8: be spending time with people that you like rather than

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Speaker 8: spending time in front of a screen.

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Speaker 5: Conversely, if you are a people person.

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Speaker 8: And you are out in the world a lot engaging

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Speaker 8: with people, of form of for us might be something

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01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 8: more solitary. It might be having a conversation one on

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01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 8: one with one person, a deep conversation, not a whole

1441
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 8: lot of less deep conversations. It might be shutting down

1442
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 8: and reading a book. It might be taking a nap.

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01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 8: That might be going for a walk. It's intentionally shifting

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01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 8: so that you're cross training your brain. Like you cross

1445
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 8: train your body as an athlete, you're cross training your brain.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now that makes sense. You're just doing something like

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Speaker 1: you mentioned music a couple times. I think that's I

1448
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: was reading something about Alzheimer's, Like if you learn to

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Speaker 1: play an instrument, that's why we're just talking about this

1450
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: playing an instrument is wonderful for you because you're exercising

1451
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: part of your brain you probably haven't in years. If

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01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: you're you know, something you pick up or just doing

1453
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: the act of doing that is generally most people their

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01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: job doesn't involve learning and playing a musical instrument. If

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01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: you are, if that's a hobby, ors that's great, but

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01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: that is something that continues to pay dividends later in life.

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Speaker 5: It absolutely does.

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Speaker 8: Music is a language, and so if you learn to

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01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 8: play an instry that you're learning a different language, or

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01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 8: if you learn to produce music in some way, you're

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Speaker 8: learning a different language. It very often requires physical dexterity.

1462
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 8: All almost all instruments require physical dexterity. If you're a singer,

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Speaker 8: that's not the case, but everything else does. And it

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Speaker 8: can put you in community with other musicians, So it

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01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 8: can give you a different kind of community than you

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Speaker 8: might have with your golf league or your tennis club

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Speaker 8: or your ma gen club. It can put you in

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Speaker 8: community with other types of people who also are engaged

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Speaker 8: in this activity. In this language, and music lights up

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Speaker 8: a primal part of the brain that language does but

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Speaker 8: that other things in our world don't, So it helps

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Speaker 8: strengthen the brain language connection as well, because music is

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Speaker 8: very often the first language we hear as babies, our

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Speaker 8: mothers sing to us, so it's very often the first

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Speaker 8: language here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, makes sense. What does perfectionism play

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Speaker 1: a role in this? I would imagine, just by what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, if you tend to be a type are

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Speaker 1: perfectionist by nature, that these burnout and challenges when it

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Speaker 1: comes to mental health is really challenging.

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Speaker 2: For you because you feel like you always.

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Speaker 8: Have to be on, You always have to be on,

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 8: you always have to be producing, and your product always

1484
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 8: has to be excellent to perfect, and so perfectionism often

1485
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 8: prevents people from trying new things and from taking breaks

1486
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 8: from what they're doing, and from growing and stretching and

1487
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 8: challenging themselves, because the goal is the product, not the process.

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Speaker 8: The goal is the product has to be perfect, not

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Speaker 8: the process needs to be fun or engaging or a

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Speaker 8: learning opportunity or growth and enrichment. It's about the end result,

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Speaker 8: and the end result has to be perfect, so they tend.

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Speaker 5: People who are perfectionists.

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Speaker 8: Tend not to take rest intentionally because that feels like

1494
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Speaker 8: quitting or giving up or being lazy.

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Speaker 1: Or unproductive, and.

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Speaker 8: They tend not to like to do new things when

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Speaker 8: they're challenging themselves because they don't want to make mistakes.

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Speaker 8: They don't want to be seen as being less than

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Speaker 8: perfect by themselves or other people. And it's the product,

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Speaker 8: not the process, that matters. So part of intentionally shifting

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Speaker 8: your focus and taking arrest is focusing more on the process.

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Speaker 8: What am I learning, what am I growing?

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Speaker 3: What is stretching in me?

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Speaker 5: Versus did I do that right?

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Speaker 1: Okay? But but for people and I maybe high pressure

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Speaker 1: professional or a doctor or first responders things like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what does?

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Speaker 1: The stakes are generally high and work and truly be urgent,

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Speaker 1: But how do you help them navigate tension between legitimate

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Speaker 1: work demands and need for rest because there's a balance there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a Doeer doctor, for example, you

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Speaker 1: can't How do you turn that off? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: It's really hard though. People in high.

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Speaker 8: Trendaline professions like that have a very difficult time turning

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Speaker 8: it off. And one of the things when I'm working

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Speaker 8: with them in my practice that I will tell them

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Speaker 8: is that rest and self care are good ethics because

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01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 8: you cannot make good decisions for your patients or the

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 8: people you are rescuing, and you cannot operate at full

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01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 8: capacity if you are tapped out, if you are burned out,

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01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 8: if you're hungry, if you're tired, if you're angry, it's

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Speaker 8: really hard to operate.

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01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 5: At full capacity.

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Speaker 8: So taking care of yourself is ethical and actually benefits

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Speaker 8: the people that you are serving more than pushing yourself

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 8: past your limit. I don't want an er doc working

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01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 8: on me if I'm brought in with a heart attack,

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01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 8: who has not eaten, not slept, not had a chance

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 8: to go to the bathroom, not had a good solid

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01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 8: drink of water, and who's been.

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Speaker 5: On shift for twelve hours.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if that's the only person available, fine, but

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Speaker 8: I'd really rather have one who's been fed and hydrated

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 8: and had some downtime and has is really fully on

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 8: board and fully present, rather than someone who's running on fumes.

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01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 8: So rest and so self care are ethics issues for

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 8: people who are taking care of other people in high

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01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 8: risk situations.

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Speaker 1: For me, like, if I schedule a workout or something

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01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: that's non negotiable, that's like my time, and I've learned

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: to do that over the years ago. No, I need

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: some me time. Or whatever it might be doing. And

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: I've been more forceful about that, and there's some people like, well, Okay,

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: I guess I can give that up. But it sounds

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01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: to me like you should be scheduling rest, like it

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01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: should be on your schedule.

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Speaker 8: I think you should, and I think that some people

1548
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 8: are better at doing that than other people. So I

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 8: will tell you I'm not great at it, but I

1550
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 8: will tell you that my sessions are fifty minutes, not

1551
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 8: a full hour, And in that ten minutes in between clients,

1552
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 8: I let my brain disengage from what I was thinking

1553
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 8: about what was going on in my room and start

1554
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 8: to think a little bit about what's coming next for me.

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 8: But I take that ten minutes to just kind of

1556
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 8: take a pause, take a reset, get a drink of water,

1557
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 8: walk up and down the hall a couple of times,

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 8: and then I'm ready for my next client. When I

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01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 8: was first out, I would do sixty minute sessions and

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01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 8: I would roll from one client to the next time

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Speaker 8: to the next, and I found that I was not

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Speaker 8: nearly as effective in doing that. So I literally had

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Speaker 8: ten minutes of rest built into my workday every hour

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Speaker 8: on the.

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Speaker 1: Fifty minutes just to take a break.

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Speaker 8: Some people don't. Yeah, some people don't have the ability

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01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 8: to do that, which makes perfect sense. But if you're

1568
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 8: at work and you get a lunch break of any kind,

1569
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,679
Speaker 8: take ten or fifteen minutes of that and do something different.

1570
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 8: Don't eat lunch at your desk, scrolling your email the

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01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 8: whole time. Take ten or fifteen minutes of that and

1572
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 8: take a walk or close your eyes for a few minutes.

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 5: If you're in a place where you.

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Speaker 8: Can do that, or get outside, or have a conversation

1575
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 8: with a friend or a coworker, call your mom or dad,

1576
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 8: do something different, take a break from what you are doing.

1577
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 8: You can't hit at one hundred percent all the time.

1578
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 8: It's not healthy and it's not sustainable.

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Speaker 1: Julie hattersh here our license mental health therapist on the

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Speaker 1: Scott's Loan show Every Monthing Mental Health Monday.

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Speaker 2: With Julie H.

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Speaker 1: on something, or maybe you've got an idea for a

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Speaker 1: future topics. She's there for it and we talk every

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Speaker 1: Monday morning and next Monday, no exception. Julie, have a

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Speaker 1: great day.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again. I appreciate you so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Talk to you later BYFYE.

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Speaker 10: Pull me back on seven hundred wl W on this

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Speaker 10: President's Day and coming off of the vapor trail of love,

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Speaker 10: vapor trail of love?

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Speaker 2: What the hell are you talking about? What are you?

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Speaker 1: I still my love at bit Valentine's Day?

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Speaker 7: Boy?

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Speaker 1: If you cock this one up, be coming at your

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Speaker 1: heart today. Today is the day where post Valentine's Day

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Speaker 1: see breakups and of course the divorce train. A lot

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Speaker 1: of divorces happening in the next couple of weeks because

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Speaker 1: you cocked ub Valentine's Day. I do that kind of it.

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01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: I often don't do just straight up book authors, but

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Speaker 1: this one caught my attention. Is a he's a divorce

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Speaker 1: attorney's don like thousands of divorce cases and says, you

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Speaker 1: know what, maybe I'll use this power of evil for

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01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: good and switch to the bright side rather than the

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Speaker 1: dark side. And uh, you call it the ten Commands

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Speaker 1: of Marriage Secrets of a Divorce Lawyer, which I think

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Speaker 1: is a great idea of who knows better about staying

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Speaker 1: together than the divorce lawyer. Congratulations, David Erdaman.

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Speaker 2: This is brilliant.

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you, Scott. It's a pleasure to be on

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Speaker 6: the big One this morning. Cincinnati is one of my

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 6: favorite cities. Pleasure to speak with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it. Where are you from now? Where

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: you live now?

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Speaker 6: Well, I live in the other Queen city, Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, beautiful area of the country. We hopefully will

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Speaker 1: be able to travel again soon and exchange. But so

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01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 1: in this area, this is interesting. So you're like slitting

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Speaker 1: your own throat, aren't you, Scott.

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Speaker 6: The truth of the matter is, lawyers are sworn to

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01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 6: help their clients' best interests, and we really are. I

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 6: give credit to even my imposing lawyers for that. But

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01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 6: the best interest of many of these clients, in fact,

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01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 6: is to work on saving their marriage. And I'm not

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01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 6: I don't try to lead them, I try to follow them.

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 6: But when you think about it, in a divorce, there's

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Speaker 6: a possibility that only one of the people wants to divorce,

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01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 6: and the other one might be the one coming to

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01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 6: see me. So that person wants to save her marriage

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01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 6: or his marriage. And I've sworn myself throughout my career

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01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 6: to try to help people who want to save their

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 6: marriage to do so.

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 1: All right, So what do you typically see number one

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01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: cause for divorce? Is it infidelity or money?

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Speaker 6: Money is the biggest problem for young couples, but infidelity

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01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 6: and addiction are the two big problems that I see

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01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 6: lightelong in marriages, and addiction gets to be a larger

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01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 6: problem as people get older.

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01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: And probably that are right, So money when you're younger,

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01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: infidelity probably in your middle aged years, and then addiction

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01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: in the later stages of the marriage, Am I right?

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01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 5: Yes?

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 6: Yes? In generalities, yeah.

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01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you can almost break it up in age groups.

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01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 6: Then in that case, well, it's shocking to me. What

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 6: a I'm not against people having a drink of alcohol,

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 6: but the scourge of alcoholism is more widespread than the

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01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 6: average person might imagine unless they're living it and.

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 1: They're yeah, I have friends that fall into that category

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01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: of the divorce because a spouse got into that or

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: other things.

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 2: And yeah, I totally could see that.

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: We tend to older, We get, we get, I mean

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Speaker 1: to guess, Well, let's start at the beginning here. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's rewind, David, we got so, you got some time,

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Speaker 1: I got some time here. You don't charge by the

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: you don't charge by the minute. Do you You know one

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01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: of those.

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 6: Attorneys of the first call is always.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's contingency.

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Speaker 1: I like that, So so counselor we'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: You know, okay, So you're married, in your twenties, your thirties,

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: you're just starting out. You've got college loans maybe or

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01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 1: maybe just you know, you're working jobs, multiple jobs, you

1678
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: never see each other. Money's tight, You're going to break

1679
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 1: up over money? Why why would you split up over money?

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01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: Why would you go in separate directions?

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01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:29,400
Speaker 3: Is it?

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: Or is it because one spouse has different spending habits

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01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: in the other.

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Speaker 6: Well, by the way, I don't know that you ask

1685
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 6: what the biggest problem is. Money is the biggest challenge,

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 6: and ideally they overcome that challenge. But yes, indeed, when

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01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 6: people are single, when I was single, when you were single,

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01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 6: when any of your listeners are single, they can live

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01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 6: their life and spend their money the way they want.

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01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,879
Speaker 6: But when they get into a partnership called the marriage,

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01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,559
Speaker 6: then how they spend their money affects both people, and

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 6: so it's a relearning process to think together about planning

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 6: a life and planning the finances.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's an important thing is you typically

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: would see a couple come together and maybe let's say

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01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 1: she has her sense about her financially in getting a

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,759
Speaker 1: relationship with a guy who maybe has some past debt,

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01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: bad credit, that sort of thing. What do you recommend

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01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: when you're first getting together, you get engaged if it's

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01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 1: and that's probably typical. Right, one is a good saver

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01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: and maybe has a good monetary fiscal policy, and another

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01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 1: one not so much.

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Speaker 2: What do you recommend a couple like that?

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Speaker 6: Well, number one, you're exactly right. You'd be surprised how

1705
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 6: much of undisclosed debt comes into early marriages. But the answer,

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01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 6: of course is communication, and the answer is truthfulness. And

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 6: a marriage is off to a bad start if the

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01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 6: couple has not been able to communicate openly with each

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01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 6: other about who the a are. A longer engagement might

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01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 6: be a good idea. Getting to know this person in

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01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 6: all dimensions is always a good idea.

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Speaker 1: So let's say, if it's your kid, your son, or

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01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 1: your daughter, they're engaged, background checked, how do you find

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: out about the real find because that happens right you

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Hey we're married. Oh, by the way,

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01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:24,520
Speaker 1: I didn't tell you. I've had three bankruptcies nowadays.

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Speaker 6: By the way, I have two grown daughters. They're both

1718
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,719
Speaker 6: very happily married and have done wonderfully in their choice

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01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 6: of spouses. But nowadays I hear many parents of that

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 6: that would be the would be grandparents, the parents of

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01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 6: a daughter or son getting married, paying for their own

1722
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 6: private investigative report to find out about the person that

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01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 6: their son or daughter is marrying. Yes, I'm seeing that

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Speaker 6: a lot these days.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting. Yeah, But you know, I mean there's another

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Speaker 2: thing too.

1727
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: Now, Graham and Grepp are going to pull a you know,

1728
01:18:57,960 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: hire a p I or somebody to follow his kid

1729
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: or around. And then you find out something that may

1730
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: be a little on savory. How do you present that

1731
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: to your kid without reckoning a relations because that looks

1732
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: like you're trying to split them up. And now you're

1733
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: gonna put you're gonna put your relationship with your kids

1734
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: in jeopardy.

1735
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 6: Oh, you're exactly right. And uh. And parents have to

1736
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 6: trust their adult children to make good decisions. But parents

1737
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 6: should always feel that they have license to give advice.

1738
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 6: And there you know, there was an old soul song

1739
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 6: that said, take time to know her. I don't remember

1740
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 6: who sang that one, but take time to know him,

1741
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,600
Speaker 6: take time to know her. I'm not a big advocate

1742
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 6: for the private investigator, and I'm very much not a

1743
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 6: big advocate for meddling parents. But I am a big

1744
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 6: advocate for a would be engaged person to make sure

1745
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 6: they know who they are marrying and whatever degree of

1746
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,320
Speaker 6: assurances they need. If it requires private investigator, at least

1747
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 6: a Facebook search, my goodness, they ought to do that.

1748
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how about this, If you've got the means,

1749
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: hire an investigator for him, hire an investigator for her,

1750
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: and then just have an exchange notes, I got nothing

1751
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: to hide, and then that takes this thing off it right.

1752
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 6: Well, well there's a problem there. The problem is that

1753
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 6: that introduces i'll call it a poison in the relationship.

1754
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 6: It's the it's the it's it's both. It's both. It's

1755
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 6: both encouraging of trust because you say, okay, I know

1756
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 6: all about you, but it's also infecting the relationship with

1757
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 6: suspicion and mistrust. And and I like to say in

1758
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 6: the book, you know, my book's called Secrets of a

1759
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 6: Divorce Lawyer. Uh, the Ten Commandments of Marriage. I I

1760
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 6: say that the person to whom one marries is the

1761
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 6: person they must ultimately trust more than any other person

1762
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 6: on the globe. And so they've got to build trust.

1763
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 6: The best way, of course, is for a person to

1764
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 6: be self disclosing about their background. If they've got three bankruptcies,

1765
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 6: tell the person to get honest.

1766
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 2: If it comes.

1767
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing she asked her. He asked to

1768
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: trust depending on where your kid is. But guess what,

1769
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm the father. I don't trust.

1770
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 6: Anybody, and many and many fathers do not.

1771
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 2: And that's my job. My job is to not trust anybody.

1772
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 6: Well, and and and that's right. But I say, if

1773
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 6: you have a son or a daughter, let's say.

1774
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: You have a daughter, I don't trust them either.

1775
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 6: All right, Well, then then then don't marry them.

1776
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: Advice.

1777
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 6: But the persons who are getting married must trust each other, because,

1778
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 6: as I says in the book, after a year of marriage,

1779
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 6: a person should closer to their spouse, and their spouse

1780
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 6: should know them better than their parents would, than their

1781
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 6: siblings do, than their best friends do, because they know

1782
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 6: everything about the person after a year.

1783
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: Gotcha, all right? So who better than a divorcelader advised

1784
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: people to stay married. David Edmud's an attorney. He wrote

1785
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 1: The Secrets of a Divorce loader all the stuff he sees.

1786
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: You put the book and said, well, if you read this,

1787
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: then everything you need to know about having a happy

1788
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: marriage is standing together is right here. It's brilliant, actually,

1789
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 1: if you think about it. So we move from the

1790
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: younger ages, where it's money real quick here to the

1791
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: infidelity of the middle years, the proverbial seven year itches

1792
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: they used to call it, right, which is right near

1793
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 1: what thirties forties probably.

1794
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 6: People. I saw a note just this past week of

1795
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 6: somebody turning forty and how how cataclysmic it was to

1796
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 6: this individual to be turning forty. It was a woman,

1797
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 6: and it makes people every decade at least makes people

1798
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 6: look at their lives and say, am I on track

1799
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 6: for where I want to be? I look at it

1800
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 6: differently when they come into my office. I look at

1801
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 6: it and say, well, let's just let's make sure we

1802
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 6: understand what's good about your relationship. Because they may have

1803
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 6: a nice home, great kids, everything about their life is good,

1804
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 6: but they're feeling, to use your phrase, itchy about their spouse. Well,

1805
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 6: is there a behavior or two or three that their

1806
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 6: spouse needs to change? I think that in many cases,

1807
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 6: ninety five percent of what people have in their marriages

1808
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,680
Speaker 6: is satisfactory to them, and it's the five percent that

1809
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 6: makes them look elsewhere. And that's not why, because chances

1810
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 6: are the next marriage they may only be eighty five

1811
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 6: percent satisfied and find fifteen.

1812
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 3: Percent problem with.

1813
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's also part of it. Right, grass is greener,

1814
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: and you also get like, man, what happened to my life?

1815
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: I used to be carefree and young, and I'm settling.

1816
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm settling. Right?

1817
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 2: Is that the biggest thing for.

1818
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:55,760
Speaker 1: Men and women when they act unfaithful. Is that it's

1819
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: it's like they're trying to get control their life back.

1820
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 6: Let me think about that. In my book, I write

1821
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 6: what I have learned as a as a secret of

1822
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 6: a divorce lawyer, and that is this generalization applies about

1823
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 6: fifty percent of the time. And that is, if a

1824
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 6: female is having an extra matter affair, fifty percent of

1825
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 6: the time it will be with her supervisor, her boss.

1826
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 6: With a man, there is no such correlation. You would

1827
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 6: think that the reciprocal would be true. Okay, If fifty

1828
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 6: percent of women who are having affairs are having with

1829
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 6: their bosses supervisors, then theoretically fifty percent of men should

1830
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 6: be having them with their direct reports. But it doesn't

1831
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 6: work out that way. Men are looking more widely. Women

1832
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,680
Speaker 6: come to trust their bosses by working together all day.

1833
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 6: I talk a lot about that because it is not

1834
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 6: a problem in marriages at large. I don't want anybody

1835
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 6: to be afraid of work. I don't want a woman

1836
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 6: to be afraid of working for a man. But when

1837
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 6: there are problems in the marriage, that's when they come

1838
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 6: to see a divorce lawyer. It's often the woman's boss,

1839
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 6: and so that's that's and that's that has all sorts

1840
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 6: of ramification.

1841
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, psychologically, Yeah, how do I get the psychological elemnus

1842
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 1: because I don't want to. So we've gone from money

1843
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: to the infidel in the middle aged thing and then

1844
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: the interesting one to me what you said. What you're

1845
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: saying in the Secrets of a Divorce Lawyer, David Erdman

1846
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: is for older people. And what age group we're talking

1847
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: here when it comes to addiction is being the number

1848
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 1: one cause of divorce among older couples.

1849
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 6: Here's here's what happens in my book. That's in the book,

1850
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 6: and it's called The Ten Commandments of Marriage. I talk

1851
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 6: about the role of addiction and I look at it

1852
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 6: as a fork in the road. Let me let me

1853
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 6: go back just a little bit of life history. When

1854
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 6: you go up through your twenties, chances are you're a

1855
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:01,879
Speaker 6: heavy consumer of alcohol. But between age thirty and forty,

1856
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 6: that's when you start having children and you better get

1857
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 6: control of alcohol or alcohol is going to control you.

1858
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 6: By the time people are forty, they're a percentage maybe

1859
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 6: ten percent, maybe less than ten percent are hooked on

1860
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 6: alcohol and it can be drugs, and so then matters

1861
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 6: begin to deteriorate in the marriage because because it's not

1862
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 6: usually a health concern until an older issue, but it's

1863
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 6: a financial concern. It's an anger problem in the marriage.

1864
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 6: It's a conflict over the one spouse saying you drink

1865
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 6: too much and the other saying I do not. Well,

1866
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 6: they've got a problem. And the person who's drinking too

1867
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 6: much may be going out and corrousing with other people

1868
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 6: because they're not having fun at home anymore. They're not

1869
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:00,719
Speaker 6: even welcome at home anymore, and then that problem stix

1870
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 6: with them, and it is a It is a as

1871
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 6: a young person, I would never have imagined how pandemic

1872
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 6: it is in old age.

1873
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: Wow. And uh, it's part of that too though.

1874
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: I Mean, you get older, you get you know, aches

1875
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: and pains, and you start maybe on a prescription thing

1876
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: and maybe you self medicate to with alcohol. You got time,

1877
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 1: you got money, you start doing that kind of stuff.

1878
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: You're you're also an empty nester, right, how much does

1879
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 1: that affect a breakup of a marriage? Because you know,

1880
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 1: for years and years, especially today, you know suburbanites, you

1881
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: know young parents, it's all about the kids, the kids,

1882
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the kids, and sports and music and this and that.

1883
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: In this camp and you're driving all over hells over

1884
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: and then they grow up. Okay, we got them in

1885
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: a great college, and they they leave and now you

1886
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:43,639
Speaker 1: have you're living with a stranger.

1887
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 6: Uh, Scott. I definitely address that in the book. If

1888
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,639
Speaker 6: the couple has not made their marriage the core of

1889
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 6: their existence together and instead have made the children the

1890
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 6: core of it, or perhaps their career the core of it,

1891
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 6: then they really don't have a central focus any longer

1892
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 6: in their marriage, and and things tend to spend apart.

1893
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 6: One of my commandments is to live a marriage centered life.

1894
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 6: That sounds difficult, but the truth matter is if the

1895
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,520
Speaker 6: marriage is at the center of your life, where is it.

1896
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 6: It's somewhere else. And that in terms of looking at

1897
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 6: the demography that what happens with marriages. Once people are

1898
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 6: centered somewhere else, then their marriage is definitely a subject

1899
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 6: of being lost in the process.

1900
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 2: David Herdman, all the best to you, thanks again for

1901
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 2: coming on the show.

1902
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:43,599
Speaker 6: Thank you brother.

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01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 1: A nice uplifting topic for a couple of days past

1904
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: out since day. If you really screwed up Valandide's day,

1905
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: you may need the book and the advice of sound

1906
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: legal counsel because the next month or so, a couple

1907
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 1: of weeks at least, attorneys start to see a huge

1908
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: up to the number divorce.

1909
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it.

1910
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: You made it through of cold winter monthster together, you

1911
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: realize how much you hate each other, and then you

1912
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 1: suffer through the holidays and maybe made it to Valentine's Day.

1913
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: Of course it's more of a I guess, probably more

1914
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: of a couple thing, not you know, maybe you're engaged

1915
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: or have been dating a while, or dating the breakups

1916
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 1: happened to post Valentine's Day. But we do see a

1917
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: spike in the number of divorces as well this divorce

1918
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 1: season ahead of baseball season, which, by the way, we

1919
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:27,600
Speaker 1: begin today in ernest because our buddy Dave D. R.

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Speaker 2: Brewster.

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01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: This first update from spring training heard here on seven

1922
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:32,520
Speaker 1: hundred WLW.

1923
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:34,719
Speaker 2: Hey, it's Sloane. Remember your kid.

1924
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: You go to class and classes starting to fall here,

1925
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: and you make some new friends and probably keep maybe

1926
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: one a couple of those things through the next year,

1927
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: and you make different frame your friend circle expands and

1928
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you move away. Maybe you go to school, right, you

1929
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:50,719
Speaker 1: make more friends there and now with Facebook and everything

1930
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: now on Facebook is even old school right, you've talked

1931
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: about Twitter and Instagram and TikTok and all that you

1932
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: can keep tabs on your friends you haven't seen in

1933
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 1: a long time. Why is it so much harder to

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01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: make friends though, when you're an adult? I mean, think

1935
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 1: about it. For a lot of folks they keep, especially Cincinnati, right,

1936
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: as parochial as we are, tend to keep a lot

1937
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: of the same friends you had your whole life. But

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Speaker 1: making new friends is difficult. Why is it so hard

1939
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Speaker 1: for adults? Interesting question? Merca Franco is here, she is

1940
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Speaker 1: an expert on these step of relationships, and I think

1941
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Speaker 1: that's the most valid question of our time.

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Speaker 2: It's easy when your kid. Why is it so hard

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Speaker 2: winning an adult? Marissa?

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Speaker 11: So when we're kids, we have what Rebecca g Adams

1945
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Speaker 11: of Sociologists calls the ingredients that allow friendships happen organically,

1946
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Speaker 11: which are continuous, unplanned interaction and shared vulnerability. So we

1947
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 11: see people every day and we let our guard down,

1948
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Speaker 11: lunch reset in. But as adults, we don't have the

1949
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Speaker 11: same infrastructure, so we can't assume that friendships happened organically

1950
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Speaker 11: in the same way.

1951
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you see people at work, people come and go,

1952
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: stuff like that people you work next to in you know,

1953
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Speaker 1: cubicle or the drill press next to you, or on

1954
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Speaker 1: the job, whatever it is. It seems like there's it

1955
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 1: just seems like there's more opportunities when you're alt because

1956
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, you have the one thing you don't when

1957
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: you're kid, and that's ability to travel yourself.

1958
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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: You can get in a car, go for a walk

1960
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Speaker 1: wherever you want to go. You make more contacts a

1961
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Speaker 1: day than the typical kid does.

1962
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's a great point. A study actually found though,

1963
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Speaker 11: that the more time we spent together at work, the

1964
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Speaker 11: less closely feel. And I think that's because for a

1965
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Speaker 11: lot of us in the workplace, that sense of vulnerability,

1966
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Speaker 11: the unguarded net that was part of the ingredients for

1967
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,000
Speaker 11: connection isn't necessarily there. We share just a certain side

1968
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Speaker 11: of us. We don't share the full dimensions of who

1969
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Speaker 11: we are, and so we might feel like I know

1970
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Speaker 11: you as an employee, but I don't necessarily know you

1971
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Speaker 11: as a person.

1972
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Speaker 1: We have an interesting phenomenon here in Cincinnati, Ohio, doctor,

1973
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Speaker 1: in that we have the East side on the West

1974
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Speaker 1: side here, and there's a noticeable difference between the two

1975
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Speaker 1: west Siders tend to be people who grew up in

1976
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Speaker 1: the same and I'm stereotyping here, but grew up in

1977
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: the same neighborhood, when's the same high school, you know,

1978
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: lifelong friends kind of like America used to be a

1979
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Speaker 1: couple generations ago, generation or two ago, and it's kind

1980
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: of that way, and it's quite and it's nice. But

1981
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Speaker 1: I think from those I've known and met perfectly, you know,

1982
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: wonderful folks and stuff, but there's a sense that you know,

1983
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Speaker 1: if you didn't grow up in that particular neighborhood or

1984
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: you're not part of that group, it's awfully tough to

1985
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Speaker 1: break through. And yeah, some cities and areas are easier,

1986
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Speaker 1: like at the East side of Cincinnata to do that.

1987
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting phenomenon here, but I would suspect that's

1988
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Speaker 1: probably true in a lot of areas.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that is a really interesting phenomenon. And I like

1990
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Speaker 11: how you put it, like similar to generations path because

1991
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 11: it's true people used to live in the same neighborhoods

1992
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,799
Speaker 11: and areas their whole life, and that really facilitated connection.

1993
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Speaker 11: Because one study found that the more you move, the

1994
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 11: more dispose mold. Basically, your relationships become so people that

1995
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 11: have the same area that haven't continuous interactions really have

1996
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 11: that opportunity to relationships. And I don't think, you know,

1997
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Speaker 11: Cincinnati is the only place in the US that has that.

1998
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Speaker 11: I think there can be a sort of wide range

1999
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,479
Speaker 11: of experiences when it comes to making friends, depending on

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Speaker 11: your reasons.

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Speaker 3: Certainly, you know you have.

2002
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Speaker 1: Your same social circle. Maybe people come and go, but

2003
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Speaker 1: generally not making as many friends as you did when

2004
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,799
Speaker 1: you were younger and lifelong friends at that People retire

2005
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: and move and then all of a sudden they're back

2006
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Speaker 1: to being kids again, making all brand new friends.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. Yeah, And that is actually one of the things

2008
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Speaker 11: that predicts how satisfied we are in our retirement, whether

2009
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Speaker 11: we replace the social network we might have gotten from

2010
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Speaker 11: working every day. I mean, I think when we're in retirement, right,

2011
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 11: people in general and times of transition tend to be

2012
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,600
Speaker 11: more open to friendship. So that's retiring, moving to a

2013
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Speaker 11: new city, you know, going through a breakup or divor

2014
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Speaker 11: traveling for example. And it gives us a lot more time.

2015
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Speaker 11: And obviously time is a big factor that we need

2016
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Speaker 11: to be able to make friends. Just being able to

2017
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Speaker 11: have the ability to interact more frequently will really up

2018
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Speaker 11: our chances of forming connection.

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Speaker 2: How do you do this then?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're going, Okay, this sounds good,

2021
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to go and I'm going to try

2022
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,080
Speaker 1: and to expand my friend base right now, how do

2023
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: you go out and find that?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So, as I talked about it platonics, you have

2025
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Speaker 11: to initiate. Friendships doesn't really happen organically. As adults, people

2026
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 11: that think friendship happens based on luck are lonelier over time,

2027
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 11: whereas those that think it happens based on effort are

2028
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 11: less lonely. Now, people are very afraid of rejections. The

2029
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Speaker 11: truth is, according to the research, people are less likely

2030
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Speaker 11: to reject you than you think. When strangers interact and

2031
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 11: predict how how much they think the other person likes them,

2032
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 11: we tend to underestimate how much people like us. It's

2033
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Speaker 11: called the liking gap. And one of my biggest tips

2034
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Speaker 11: for making friends that I talk about in Platonics is

2035
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Speaker 11: the importance of assuming people like you so you can initiate.

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Speaker 11: Because when researchers basically manipulated people to think that way,

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Speaker 11: even though it was a lie, people became more more

2038
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Speaker 11: friendly or more open and they actually, you know, put

2039
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Speaker 11: themselves in a place to be more likely to make friends.

2040
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Speaker 11: So it becomes a sort of self fulfilling prophecy. And

2041
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Speaker 11: after you do all that, you just say to someone

2042
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Speaker 11: and you'd like to hang out with more, like, Hey,

2043
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,879
Speaker 11: it's been great to connect because you take topic information

2044
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Speaker 11: like I'd love to find more time to hang out.

2045
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Speaker 1: We'll have to talk again later and go through the

2046
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 1: whole friend zone thing too, because we're just talking about

2047
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: you generally a friend relationships, platonic relationships. Name of the

2048
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: book is platonic, but it's a whole thing when you start,

2049
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, mixing romantic interests in here in your you know,

2050
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: there's friend zone and everything else. Maybe there's a I

2051
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:16,960
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe there's a follow up to this, Doctor

2052
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,599
Speaker 1: Mersa Franco, thanks again for the time.

2053
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Speaker 11: Appreciate it, no problem, my pleasure.

2054
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Speaker 1: Thanks again. And I just I just thought of this

2055
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 1: as I hung up. And I think it's because too,

2056
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: when you're younger, you don't have the demands on your

2057
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 1: time as much as you do when your adult. Right,

2058
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 1: you've got everything pulling at you all the time. It

2059
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: feels like the older you get, the last time you have,

2060
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: and there's so many demands for your time. You like

2061
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: to and sit down and talk to someone and get

2062
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:38,599
Speaker 1: to know them, but do you really have that time

2063
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: or inclination to do it. And also, I think your

2064
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: BS meter is kind of worn a little bit thin

2065
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: over the years too, and maybe that's a little tiring

2066
01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 1: for some folks. I guess I'm always open to meeting different,

2067
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, new people and different things and experiences. I'm

2068
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: cool with that still, I get that a lot of

2069
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: people aren't. But relative to why it's easier when you're

2070
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 1: younger and older, I think that's it right there, is

2071
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: that there's so many constraints for our time. And that's why

2072
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: when you retire, and let's say, you know, if you're

2073
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: a Cincinnati and right, you're going to retire and you're

2074
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: only allowed to move go to different play you're only

2075
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: allowed to go like Gallaton, Kentucky. You're allowed to go

2076
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: to I'm sorry, Pigeon Forge, the Outer Banks or Destined Florida,

2077
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: and that's pretty much it right there, or the Gulf

2078
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,439
Speaker 1: side of Florida, maybe the Fort Myers. And once you

2079
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: do that, though, you now, okay, I don't have demands

2080
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: of my time anymore. You may start making friends again.

2081
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Like your kid. I think it's work, I think it's life,

2082
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: I think it's family. It's all those things that weighs

2083
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: down there. That's why it's hard to make friends when

2084
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: you're an adult, because you just you want to, but

2085
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: you don't have the time.

2086
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: You got a lot going on.

2087
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Speaker 1: This is seven hundred WW and news in about twelve

2088
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Speaker 1: minutes here on the show and the big stories today.

2089
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: Looks like crime over the first couple months of the

2090
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:45,759
Speaker 1: new year here in Cincinnati has gone up forty percent,

2091
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: which is insane considering how cold it's been since literally

2092
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 1: the first.

2093
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Speaker 2: Of the year.

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Speaker 1: You've got to work really really hard to get those

2095
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 1: crime numbers where they are with the weather the way

2096
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 1: it's been. We'll try to make sense of that, probably

2097
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:59,720
Speaker 1: something on tomorrow's show on that. We also have the

2098
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: guy in uh whereas a Georgia who gave his son

2099
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 1: a gun went on a shooting spree and mass murder

2100
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:08,880
Speaker 1: and his high school and is responsible. Now he has

2101
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: his day in court today, which I think is a

2102
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 1: fascinating Second Amendment story in that you've got it responsible,

2103
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: you give the you give a weapon to someone who

2104
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 1: is under the underage. You own that bullet as much

2105
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: as that individual does, as my mother, son or daughter does.

2106
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: So we just whether it's unlocked guns or guns in

2107
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: the hands of the wrong people, especially kids. As a

2108
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: pro Secondmendment guy myself, I totally see what it is

2109
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 1: they're doing and trying to do here, and you should.

2110
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: You've got to be responsible, much more responsible. Also, a

2111
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Chicago area teacher forced to resign over his Facebook post

2112
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 1: two words that cost him his job.

2113
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Speaker 2: Go ice is what he said.

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Speaker 1: He has worked for a decade and a half building

2115
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Speaker 1: his career in in an area in Gary where there

2116
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: is a predominant Hispanic population. Therefore, the he has a

2117
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: disproportion number kids in his classes that a Hispanic.

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Speaker 2: And so he said, go ice.

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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, someone caught that and then

2120
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Speaker 1: shared it, and then they shared it and it went viral,

2121
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's an area where the local police.

2122
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 2: Said they would cooperate with ice.

2123
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: So he recently put up a Facebook post that I've

2124
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 1: spent fourteen years building my career, pouring my heart into

2125
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Speaker 1: teaching kids, building relationships and building a positive role as

2126
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: opposive role model. To see it up ended over two

2127
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: simple words, go Ice, where I expressed my personal support

2128
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,679
Speaker 1: for law enforcement felt like a severe blow to my career.

2129
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: And now, of course, if you're anti ICE, you think

2130
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 1: this is just desserts. If you support ICE and all

2131
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 1: that they do unequivocally, then you are defending this guy.

2132
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: So he will be and now has become a darling

2133
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: of the right, So he's been claimed into that circle.

2134
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Speaker 2: Might have been all law, but who knows. And I

2135
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 2: think it's interesting.

2136
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Speaker 1: You know, we talk about cancel culture and it's more

2137
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of past cancel culture, and it still comes up.

2138
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: We had what happened with, you know, the campus canceled

2139
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: culture over the last several years that seems to be fading.

2140
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: We had what happened with that Joe Rogan and Spotify

2141
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: where boycotted over his perceived anti vaccine stance, and the

2142
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,320
Speaker 1: guy from The Bachelor a few years ago cost him.

2143
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,479
Speaker 1: Of course, on the you know, on the left, you've

2144
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: had conservative led cancelations and that included Dylan mulvaney in

2145
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:20,560
Speaker 1: the bud Light thing, what happened with Target and the

2146
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: Pride Collection, and Liz Cheney for that matter too, where

2147
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: she was removed from the House GOP leadership and censured

2148
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 1: by the Republicans for voting to impeach Trump and criticizing

2149
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Speaker 1: his false election claims and lost her primary by landslide

2150
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Speaker 1: or Trump backed challenger. And so you know, this past year,

2151
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Speaker 1: as we still fairly new year, anyway, it feels like

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Speaker 1: this is emerging. It's starting to the warmest starting tournoways changes.

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Speaker 1: This is the year of uncancelation. And I think what's

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Speaker 1: going on is if you look at Trump, right, the

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Speaker 1: latest controversy, although he may have done something today, seems

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Speaker 1: like every day he does something. The Obama video that

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Speaker 1: came out with Michelle and Barack Obama and Barack Obamas

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Speaker 1: come out on a podcast and kind of gone after

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Speaker 1: the president on this. You'll blame the guy in him saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: it was first it was a White House intern, or now,

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Speaker 1: well I didn't watch the whole video. Okay, well you're

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Speaker 1: having a you know, the face of Michelle Obama and

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Speaker 1: President Obama super imposed on primates is certainly going to

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Speaker 1: cause a lot of people to question whether or not

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Speaker 1: you're a racist. If you think he's a racist, this

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Speaker 1: just gives you more ammunition, right, and mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: horrible thing. You can't to go I wasn't my fight

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Speaker 1: and watch the whole thing. It's not hard to say

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. But today, and this is the uncancellation part

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Speaker 1: of it, you don't have to do that anymore because

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Speaker 1: now today you have this loyal base and the bass

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Speaker 1: has become more significant than broad appeal. So Trump's political success,

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Speaker 1: if you look at it, demonstrates at a strong base

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Speaker 1: can help you survive cancelation attempts. That makes sense because

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Speaker 1: his core core base they don't care, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: and I think also we are fatigued with the constant

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Speaker 1: outrage cycle. And that's part of why this past year

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Speaker 1: politically has felt like ten because the constant outrage. It's

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Speaker 1: like we have outrage PTSD. You do, I do, everyone does.

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Speaker 1: And that's what that feels like. And even the corporate

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Speaker 1: anti wold cancelations aren't really sticky. You know, Anheuser Busch

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Speaker 1: and Target saw minimal long term damage with our campaigns.

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Speaker 1: They go, Okay, we can survive this. So it's really

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Speaker 1: shifted towards I'm glad to see this more to an

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Speaker 1: accountability culture. The cancel culture is transferring from this either

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Speaker 1: your platform or deplatformed this whole binary model into more

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Speaker 1: kind of a nuanced system. Okay, did you say or

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Speaker 1: do something stupid? We had just what was an HGTV host.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch those shows because they dre'd be crazy.

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Speaker 1: And she I think she's forty nine and she just

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Speaker 1: got canceled. Technically, well, I don't cancel, but she dropped

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Speaker 1: the end bomb like in an outtake, and they told her.

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Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, I can't believe I said that.

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Speaker 1: Those words don't come out of my mouth. Well they do.

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Speaker 1: They did, and it was caught on tape and she

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Speaker 1: wanted the I guess in this case the photographers to

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Speaker 1: delete that, and someone said this is interesting and made

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Speaker 1: a complainte HGTV cut not only they're just ready to

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Speaker 1: leach I guess her new season. They canceled that, They

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Speaker 1: pulled all her episodes off, they took everything off social

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Speaker 1: She has disappeared because at the end, Bob now today

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Speaker 1: you know, and this may be the Tom Brenneman effect,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean to look what Tom said and

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Speaker 1: did and paid a heavy price for that for four

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Speaker 1: or five years, but he was able to reabilitate himself

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Speaker 1: and say, listen, Okay, I get the air of my

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Speaker 1: ways and now was embraced by the same community he

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Speaker 1: offended years ago. I mean, that's that's the way society

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Speaker 1: should be. You're held accountable, you pay a price. Some

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Speaker 1: say too long. I would agree with that, but there's

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Speaker 1: got a price to pay, and you did that, and

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Speaker 1: you're rehabilitating to move forward. And I think maybe today

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Speaker 1: we're finally seeing the light with us where we want

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Speaker 1: to see public public figures learn and demonstrate growth and

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Speaker 1: not just be permanently killed in banned. To this point,

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Speaker 1: I saw YouTube and acts are adding what they call

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Speaker 1: rehabilitation notes to controversial content so you can address past

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Speaker 1: controversies to present so you can head it off with

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Speaker 1: the past or accountability audits or whatever they call it.

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Speaker 1: And there's a clear line between what's cancelable or criminal behavior.

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Speaker 1: Certainly that's that's a different But yeah, we're in this

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Speaker 1: state right now. We're being offended is our default setting.

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Speaker 1: And maybe we're going in and changing that button bar,

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Speaker 1: maybe we're changing that little radio button a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people, because that just adds more censorship

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Speaker 1: to the mix too as well. And this day and

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Speaker 1: age of bountiful communication. It's kind of scary that, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're our default setting is just, hey, let's not rock

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Speaker 1: the boat. Let's not be offended here, because yeah, I

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Speaker 1: thought with social media, the one thing there is if

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Speaker 1: you just let the truth come out, Uh, that seems

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Speaker 1: to always win. Now again you're saying, well, slonely, there's AI,

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other things and manipulating what truth

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Speaker 1: looks like, and truth now is debatable, it's in the

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Speaker 1: ie beholder. It's kind of always has been, though this

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Speaker 1: is just a digital extension of it. I think I

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Speaker 1: think we're just we're tired. We're just exhausted of being

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Speaker 1: offended all the time. And as kind of as predicted

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Speaker 1: back in the day when the whole you know, left

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Speaker 1: wing cancel culture which started this whole thing, I said,

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Speaker 1: you know this, at some point there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: right wing cancel culture, and sure enough it happened. Because

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Speaker 1: we have this political polarization in the United States that

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's peak.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it is or not. We'll find out.

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Speaker 1: And and you're seeing I think as a result of this,

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Speaker 1: the percentage of Americans identifying is moderate is now hit

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Speaker 1: a record low about a third of the country. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean independent voters, that's a whole different thing, but people

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Speaker 1: who consider themselves moderates, and the cultural right now demands

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Speaker 1: public attention for cancelation. Previously it was the left with

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Speaker 1: me too and Black Lives Matter and all these things,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of dangerous. And maybe that's also why

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Speaker 1: you see the number of students, younger people in America

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Speaker 1: gen zers saying it was acceptable to use violence to

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Speaker 1: stop someone you disagree from speaking. It was something like

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Speaker 1: one in three now last year. That's an alarming number

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Speaker 1: thinking that you should use violence aka Charlie Kirk to

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Speaker 1: stop someone you disagree with. Absolutely frightening, but I think

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, it just becomes permanent but less dramatic,

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Speaker 1: and I think the rehabilitation culture eventually wins, at least

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Speaker 1: that that's my hope.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we jump in with

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Speaker 1: News and more to follow with Willie at twelve six

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Speaker 1: today here on the hull of the Red seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WW Cincinnati,