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Speaker 1: Hi, Brian Thomas, Please to welcome to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: Cars Morning Show. Author Richard Battle. Richard is an award

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Speaker 1: winning author, speaker, and media commentator. He's the author of

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Speaker 1: twelve books in counting, including the book we're talking about

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Speaker 1: this morning, America Cans Who Made America? The Growth, Division

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Speaker 1: and Reunification. His book Americans, it's just available right now

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Speaker 1: on fifty five cars dot com sea you can get

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Speaker 1: a copy about it. And I love the name and

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Speaker 1: you have I emphasized the can part of Americans because

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Speaker 1: you emphasized it in the title. It's Amera with all

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Speaker 1: caps cans. We've had struggles and challenges in this nation before.

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Speaker 1: It feels like we're experiencing something that nobody's ever experienced

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Speaker 1: in America. This political division has obviously put the brakes

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Speaker 1: on anything being accomplished in Washington. Of course, we're in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a government shutdown as we speak right now.

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Speaker 1: We've been there and done that before. But you point

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Speaker 1: out that, you know, there have been political divisions, most

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Speaker 1: notably in the eighteen hundreds that nearly broke the nation previously.

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Speaker 1: So is it as bad out there as we perceive

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Speaker 1: it to be, Richard or are we just going through

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Speaker 1: another series of motions that we will see the other

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Speaker 2: Well, Brian, thank you so much for having us with you,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you emphasizing the cans also. And the

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Speaker 2: reason that I'm writing this series of books is because

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Speaker 2: I got sick and tired of listening to our media,

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Speaker 2: our politicians, and our culture telling us that we cannot

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Speaker 2: be as good as we once were, our kids can

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Speaker 2: have lives as good as we had, and that were doomed, basically,

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Speaker 2: and this spiral to have less and less over time.

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Speaker 2: And as I thought about it, what I realized was

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Speaker 2: it wasn't the government that made America. It wasn't any

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Speaker 2: political party. It was individual Americans with that can do spirit.

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Speaker 2: When they saw a need, they filled it, When they

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Speaker 2: had a dream, they chased it. And so each volume

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Speaker 2: my highlight of century's worth of forty individuals and kind

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Speaker 2: of how they exercise their can do spirit and in

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Speaker 2: doing so contributed to the country. And as we go

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Speaker 2: into the shutdown, one of the great examples is your

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Speaker 2: former Governor of Ohio, Rutherford B. Hayes in the eighteenth

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Speaker 2: seventy sixth election, which lasted one hundred and fifty days

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Speaker 2: and it helped heal the nation from the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: And it's a fascinating story in Rutherford B. Hayes is

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Speaker 2: one of the people we highlight in the nineteenth Century volume.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think part of the problem is we have

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Speaker 1: You know, I know we've we've had wars, and there's

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Speaker 1: And I think people lose sight when you look back

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Speaker 1: at our history in this period of time that you

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Speaker 1: talk about in Americans who made it? I made America?

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Speaker 1: How in spite of how unbelievably horrific the conditions were

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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. We didn't have a

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Speaker 1: incentives and things. You were on your own, and you

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Speaker 1: the challenges are insurmountable. You think about the people moving

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Speaker 1: I kind of richard in a way, wish that our

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Speaker 2: Well, you're correct, and I tell people that our parents

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Speaker 2: And so in history, if we look, tough times build

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Speaker 2: disrespecting them and become weaker, and those week leaders build.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of the cycle. And we've been in

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Speaker 2: It's not a partisan statement. It's an American statement. And

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Speaker 2: The selfless servant leadership that we used to have versus

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Speaker 1: Richard Battle, author of Americans Who Made America. I think

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Speaker 1: our expectation of our young people are far too low.

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Speaker 1: We passed them to school with elevated grading. They're not

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Speaker 1: And with that background, I feel free to disagree with

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Speaker 1: you if you want, Richard, But with that sort of predicate,

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Speaker 1: I know, for example, our founding fathers, many of them

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Speaker 1: declaring independence from Great Britain and penning that amazing document

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Speaker 2: Richard, Well, I think we have it, but we've discouraged honest,

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Speaker 2: it's become much more of a power struggle than it

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Speaker 2: has a honorable profession, if you will, in statesmanship, and

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Speaker 2: they say politicians think about the next election, and statesmen

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Speaker 2: think about the next generation. Sam Houston's story I highlight

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Speaker 2: It's at the museum outside of Houston at San Jacento.

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Speaker 2: But I envision him every time he had a tough decision,

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Speaker 2: explaining that story again as well, because if we make

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Speaker 2: we will have a better society.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like a book written for every American. So

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Speaker 1: in addition to the Honor Ring, get your young people

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Speaker 1: a copy of Americans Who Made America Growth, Division and Reunification.

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Speaker 1: From my guess today, Richard Battle, It's been our distinct

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Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the program and talking about this

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Speaker 1: inspirational book. And I will strongly encourage my listeners to

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Speaker 1: share it with your friends. These are messages that definitely

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Speaker 1: need to be passed along and I salute you Richard

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Speaker 1: Battle for putting this in your book.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thank you very much for having me. And

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Speaker 2: I tell people that my books and speaking speak through

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Speaker 2: God Bless America.

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Speaker 1: God Bless America. And I do see a glimmer of

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Speaker 1: So let's hope that that continues and we continue to

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Speaker 1: Richard Battle, God bless you, sir, Thanks for being on

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Speaker 1: the morning show. Try to make it a happy Friday.

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Speaker 1: And by way of relativity, me find out your Friday

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Speaker 1: live the rather tragic life of My next guest, Rebecca Lafferty,

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Speaker 1: a Mormon daughter's story. Rebecca, Welcome to the fifty five

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Speaker 1: Well, and I say pleasure knowing full well your experience

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, my father he was you know, he was

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Speaker 3: he raised us kids very very strict. He was LDS.

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Speaker 1: There on the way you described the it's a lot

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Speaker 1: has a lot of parallels to fundamentalism, Islam and and

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Speaker 1: So you said he ended up in prison. Let my

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Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, he took the life of my aunt and

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Speaker 1: Oh, he killed them related to his faith in some

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Speaker 4: But before you have to make these split level decisions

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Speaker 4: the doors. The corporal sergeants are eighteen nineteen young men

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Speaker 4: in this case, you know, just out of high school

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Speaker 4: I just spent There's been an attention to these that

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Speaker 4: like Aditha obscured the fact that yeah they had true

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Speaker 4: hell House. It varied where marines were pinned, had to broauically,

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Speaker 4: or it's to rescue the marines in the house. Now

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Speaker 4: cross the kill zone where the pins were times. I

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Speaker 4: You can see the face, you know, it's just empty

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Speaker 4: there's the PTSD so heroism and valor to notice.

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Speaker 1: But I couldn't agree more with you and port of

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Speaker 1: what they were, what they understand that the questionable circumstant

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Speaker 1: to gravitate over that some profoundly affected to the negat

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Speaker 1: amount of stress for example. But did you get collectively

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Speaker 1: if you had to put them on the folks that

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Speaker 1: that they were prouday with a higher sense of bravery,

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Speaker 1: all positive whole experience and looking looking back, hatting themselves

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Speaker 1: and I did what I.

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Speaker 4: The variety of is about them kind of screening in

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Speaker 4: Washington very really invited all the veterans that many did.

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Speaker 4: But I hadn't seen them in seventeen years older, of course,

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Speaker 4: but they were they were very proud of and they

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Speaker 4: were very bonded to each other and moving experience. Many

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Speaker 4: veterans we can. I think it was their most intense experience.

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Speaker 4: As they said, these guys, even if I haven't seen

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Speaker 4: them for years, they have on waves deeper than whether

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Speaker 4: you know, they've gone through this intense you know. So

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Speaker 4: on the other hand, they all have had trump. Many

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Speaker 4: of them were happy in my film. Finally they couldn't

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Speaker 4: show it to their family, They couldn't really speak about

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Speaker 4: the experience. But yeah, I think they thought, you know,

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Speaker 4: especially the marine that we have quan marine got it. Look,

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Speaker 4: we can win any war and any battlefield that we

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Speaker 4: will win. Get to the objective went on together, the

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Speaker 4: strategic objective to other people's job, and today we could

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Speaker 4: do it. And this guy years later, he's still so

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Speaker 1: I am so happy director of the last six hundred

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Speaker 1: meters is the battles of I have a kind of

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Speaker 1: were these the saddles. I mean, you know when you

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Speaker 1: look in different theory jungle warfare, you got desert was

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Speaker 1: you know, basically door to door as I sort of explained,

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Speaker 1: fighting or were there that going on urban warfare?

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Speaker 4: I mean in that sense they're the same, but it's

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Speaker 4: still a flujah in the north and the insurgents and

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Speaker 4: then out against Chia after the Second Battle of Fallujah

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Speaker 4: a month period, you know, the city hit by the

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Speaker 4: and then next Monday militia into this grand Uh one

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Speaker 4: of the most holy sides. And then it's a question

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Speaker 4: and then great, there's all these huge kind of apartment

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Speaker 4: they had that the that there's levels and they're found

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Speaker 4: in those buildings. Now a Democratic congressman story of someone

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Speaker 4: in his squad countered in the surgeon undergrounds and the

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Speaker 4: quarters were so close they their machines and so it

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Speaker 4: was turned into a Knight tell the marine urgent with

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Speaker 4: a nice so it gets foodle primitive combat and very

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Speaker 4: strange surreal if I have to kicking down the doors

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Speaker 1: Still a fair enough from the bots link. Can't thank

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Speaker 1: you enough for document past six hundred meters of battles,

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Speaker 1: and in my listening audience, I had conveterans, many of

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Speaker 1: whom were probably and can certainly relate to it only home,

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Speaker 1: and to a lot of people who really don't get it, haven't,

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Speaker 1: can't understand it, get a load of it. It's right

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Speaker 1: there for everyone to see the last six hundred meters

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Speaker 1: of battles in the joff and Fludium. My guest today,

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Speaker 1: the producer and director of the film, Michael Pack, Thank

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Speaker 1: you again for your service to the country and your

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Speaker 1: service to the men and women who were involved in

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Speaker 1: the conflict and putting the film together. And I will

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Speaker 1: encourage my listeners to check it out. I'm staring at

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Speaker 1: the page right now PBS Documentaries. It's easy to find,

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Speaker 1: eye opener. I'm happy to welcome to the Pitty five

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Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show author Mike McCormick. He's got an amazing

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Speaker 1: I mean amazing. Mike McCormick, he is served to get

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Speaker 1: a load of this. Served as the White House stenographer

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years under the President Bush, Vice President Biden,

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Speaker 1: President Trump. He transcribed speeches and meetings across the Oval

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Speaker 1: Office in West Wing and around the world on Air

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Speaker 1: Force one and Air Force two, high pressure, around the

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Speaker 1: clock environments. Again, multiple books, including the one Who's going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about tonight and an almost Insurmountable Evil.

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Speaker 1: How Obama's deep sate defiled the Catholic Church and executed

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Speaker 1: the Wuhan pandemic. Bold statements, Mike, Welcome to the fifty

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Speaker 1: five Carose Morning Show.

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Speaker 6: Hey Brian, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: So you note in your materials and of course in

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Speaker 1: the book, that you know, questioning the Pope a little

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Speaker 1: bit difficult for Catholics around the world to do that,

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Speaker 1: and not being Catholic, I questioned authority all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it was if I was, like I'd

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Speaker 1: questioned the Pope if I disagreed with the direction he

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Speaker 1: was going. But I know that's a little difficult. But

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Speaker 1: the Pope and Obama and Biden worked together. And I

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Speaker 1: explain to my listeners in boil down terms, in what

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Speaker 1: way they worked together along these nefarious lines.

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Speaker 6: Well, what happened was I was in the White House

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Speaker 6: as a stenographer and I listened to Joe Biden talking

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Speaker 6: over and over. I was primarily his stenographer, and at

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Speaker 6: one point in time I had an idea what was

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Speaker 6: the worst what was the most evil thing Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: ever talked about? And I could quite easily picture it.

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Speaker 6: He talked at length about his close relationship with a

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Speaker 6: very bad man named Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. Cardinal Theodore McCarrick

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Speaker 6: was a prominent Catholic clergyman in Washington who was abusing

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Speaker 6: altar boys and seminarians throughout his career. Secretly, Biden used

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Speaker 6: to know knew Biden had this guy as basically his

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Speaker 6: spiritual advisor. So what I did was. I started looking

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Speaker 6: into White House visitor logs, Well, what about this guy

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Speaker 6: cardin McCarrick. Was he going in there? Turns out he

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Speaker 6: was going in there a lot, and he was dealing

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Speaker 6: directly with Obama and Biden and a guy named Dennis

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Speaker 6: McDonough who was a White House chief of staff, and

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Speaker 6: he was going in and out of the White House

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Speaker 6: during the time when Pope Benedict resigned and Pope Francis

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Speaker 6: was basically brought on and McCarrick, as I looked deeper

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Speaker 6: into it, McCarrick was a very very solid part of

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Speaker 6: the process in Rome that elected this this Argentinian bishop

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Speaker 6: of the Argentinian cardinal to become Pope Francis. Almost as

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Speaker 6: soon as he was elected, McCarrick began going back and

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Speaker 6: forth to the Way House and to the Vatican to

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Speaker 6: talk to this new Pope Francis, and Pope Francis started

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Speaker 6: basically doing policy for the White House. He did policy

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Speaker 6: with the Iran nuclear deal directly. He Obama went and

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Speaker 6: visited Pope Francis in the Vatican in March of twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 6: and immediately after that, Pope Francis and McCarrick went to

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Speaker 6: the what they called the Holy Land, which was Israel,

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Speaker 6: West Bank and Jordan, and they started promoting what then

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Speaker 6: was this great new way of dealing with the Middle East,

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Speaker 6: and it turned out to be a really terrible way

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Speaker 6: of dealing with the Middle East because they gave it

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Speaker 6: tons of money to Iranian terrorists. Mccarick had had long

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Speaker 6: time relations with Iranians. He had gone to Iran years

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Speaker 6: earlier and released some hikers that were held in prisoner,

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Speaker 6: So he was working behind the scenes with and sort

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Speaker 6: of this emissary between the Catholic Church and the US

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Speaker 6: government very suspiciously, and that's where this whole thing came from.

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Speaker 6: The worst of it came from when mcarrick and Biden

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Speaker 6: and Obama and the Pope put together something called the

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Speaker 6: Alliance of Prosperity. In the summer of twenty fourteen, all

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Speaker 6: these young kids started coming up at the border and

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Speaker 6: in the south along the Texas border, and Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: put together something called the Alliance of Prosperity, which was

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Speaker 6: basically him giving money to cartel affiliated government officials in

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Speaker 6: South America our taxpayer money, and they opened up the

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Speaker 6: doors for this illegal invasion. When Joe Biden became president

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty one, he opened the doors for all

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Speaker 6: this illegal invasion, illegal immigration invasion, and that came that

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Speaker 6: came through with help from the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know that's what I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 1: that up and explained it along those lines. Mike McCormick,

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Speaker 1: who's doing the empower you seminar tonight on all of

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Speaker 1: this in Grand and Gloria's detail. The Catholic Church among

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Speaker 1: other church organizations. I mean, I'm sixty years old. I've

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Speaker 1: been hearing my whole life, separation of church and state,

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Speaker 1: separation of church and state, you can't fund the church. Well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these NGOs were getting money to facilitate

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Speaker 1: the movement of illegal immigrants from the border into the

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Speaker 1: various communities around here in the United States were run

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Speaker 1: by the Catholic Church. Is this the connection? This was intentional?

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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, it was intentional. It was a connection. It

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Speaker 6: was set up, and they used the Catholic Church. They

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Speaker 6: used Pope Francis as what I call morality laundering, so

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Speaker 6: they made it look like, oh, it's okay, the Pope

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Speaker 6: says they're migrants, They're not illegal immigrants, and they're still

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Speaker 6: saying that.

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Speaker 1: And Vatican City never opened its doors to the general population,

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Speaker 1: did they.

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Speaker 6: No, they say they do, but they push it on

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Speaker 6: everybody else. They don't pay the heavy lift.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't. Now the more nefarious and I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: almost that you say no, was this mass migration facilitated

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Speaker 1: by the Biden administration and the Catholic Church? Was it

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Speaker 1: purposeful to bring in children from molesting? I mean, because

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Speaker 1: there's a component of that that was going on the

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Speaker 1: whole time. We all heard about the children who were

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Speaker 1: being fired across the border, unaccompanied miners, talk about people

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Speaker 1: in a dangerous situation. So was there an element of

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Speaker 1: helping get more young kids into the country so we

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Speaker 1: could molest them? Yes, oh my god.

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately part of it young kids, women were raped along

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Speaker 6: the border by cartel coyotes. Pope Francis Carlin, mccarrot, Joe Biden,

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Speaker 6: Barack Obama, Dennis McDonough had a direct that was a

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Speaker 6: direct result of their policy.

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Speaker 1: Now you looked into this, this particular company also had

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Speaker 1: comments in here about the CIA's involvement. Were they involved

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Speaker 1: in this as well?

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Speaker 6: I think McCarrick was a CIA operative for a long time.

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Speaker 6: He came up through the ranks in the Catholic Church

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Speaker 6: quite quite quickly, and he came up through the ranks

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Speaker 6: at the time when the CIA was actually working with

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Speaker 6: the Vatican. This is the late forties early fifties. Recent

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Speaker 6: documents that have been declassified from the CIA files on

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Speaker 6: the Kennedy assassination include comments testimony by a guy named Angleton,

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Speaker 6: and Angleton was a CIA superspy, but he in this

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Speaker 6: testimony with Senate investigators, he explained, yes, I used to

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Speaker 6: work closely with the Vatican and one of the people

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Speaker 6: I worked which was Pope Paul the sixth. Well, Paul

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Speaker 6: the sixth was the guy who basically put McCarrick on

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Speaker 6: this conveyor belt to be a superior priest while he

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Speaker 6: was molesting. There were a lot of allegations of him

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Speaker 6: molesting young children and seminarians as he was moving up.

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Speaker 6: So the Vatican kind of worked on it, and that

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Speaker 6: came through the nineties. In the nineties. McCarrick I think

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Speaker 6: it was either George H. W.

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Speaker 2: Bush or.

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Speaker 6: Clinton who sent mcrick into the into the State Department,

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Speaker 6: and mcrick would go around the world as an Emissary

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Speaker 6: of Freedom of religion. But he was really working behind

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Speaker 6: the scenes, and what he was doing was giving away money.

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Speaker 6: That's what the CIA does. They go around out in

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Speaker 6: the world and they give away money. And that's how

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Speaker 6: he got the pope. That's how he got this Argentinian guy,

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Speaker 6: Bargolio named as the pope. He gave away money, bribe

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Speaker 6: Bishop a, bribe cardinals to vote for him.

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Speaker 1: So as White House stinar, I presume he had a

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Speaker 1: security clearance.

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Speaker 6: No security clearance. It was a public facing job because

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Speaker 6: it was worth the press office.

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Speaker 1: Oh how about that. But Michael McCormick again tonight and

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Speaker 1: Poweroamerica dot org register now register sometime during the day

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Speaker 1: logim at seven pm and listening to this because we

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Speaker 1: haven't even scratched the service. One of the other things

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Speaker 1: that you unfold in your book and almost instamountable evil,

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Speaker 1: you say that the Biden Barack Obama administrations collaborated with

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Speaker 1: China to release the Wuhan pandemic on the world. This

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Speaker 1: is a completely different, well, I guess, completely different conspiracy

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Speaker 1: going on here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's two parts to it. It's pretty sinister. What

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Speaker 6: happened was so I'll just give a quick yeah. In

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Speaker 6: twenty eleven, I went to China with Joe Biden. That

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Speaker 6: part of my job was a travel.

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Speaker 2: He did a speech.

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Speaker 6: In Chengdu, China. He said to the Chinese people, you

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Speaker 6: have too many old people. You have too many old people.

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Speaker 6: They had a policy in China child policy where every

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Speaker 6: family could only have one baby for generations and all.

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Speaker 6: They all of a sudden, they didn't have any young people.

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Speaker 6: They had all old people and all. He pointed that

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Speaker 6: out to them, you have a terrible economic future. Not

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Speaker 6: eight years later, in August of twenty nineteen, after being

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Speaker 6: developed in a wu in a lab in Wuhan, China,

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Speaker 6: the Wuhan virus was released and it killed mostly old people,

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Speaker 6: and it also helped Joe Biden become the President of

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Speaker 6: the United States in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Mike McCormick, this has been a real eye opener.

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Speaker 1: I recommend you folks get your book on My executive

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Speaker 1: producer will add a one two year book on my

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Speaker 1: blog page fifty five. Casee dot com an almost insurmountable evil.

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Speaker 1: How Obama's deep state defiled the Catholic Church and executed

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Speaker 1: the Wuhan pandemic Mike, this has been an eye opening conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be even more so tonight at seven pm.

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Speaker 1: I encouraged my listeners to register and then log into

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Speaker 1: power America dot org. Appreciate you putting pen to paper

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Speaker 1: on this one, Mike. It is just amazing what you've uncovered.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if future here in the fifty five Kersey

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Speaker 1: Morning Show from time to time local authors. I think

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Speaker 1: it's really cool that we have local authors. They prove that, yes,

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Speaker 1: you can write a book, you can get a book published.

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Speaker 3: And uh.

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Speaker 1: One of the women who's going to explain how that

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Speaker 1: is done in her impetus behind writing and getting involved

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Speaker 1: in writing, Beverly Park Williams. It's Beverly. It's a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to have you on the program today.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for this opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's my pleasure. I appreciate you forwarding me a

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Speaker 1: copy of the book. I will admit upfront, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to lie to you. I haven't had an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to read it yet. I note that the book Parallel

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Speaker 1: But and Separate, This is the name of your second book,

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Speaker 1: Parallel and Separate, A Tale of Two Sisters. Does this

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Speaker 1: book number two involve the same subject matter as your

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Speaker 1: first book, Separate but Parallel.

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Speaker 7: Yes, actually the story both stories are about two sisters,

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Speaker 7: Janet and Shirley. The first book is really about Shirley,

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Speaker 7: who was my mother. After I'd moved her into a

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Speaker 7: nursing home in Anderson Township, I spent a lot of

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Speaker 7: time with her, and she began to tell me many

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Speaker 7: stories for life. And the stories became so numerous. I

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Speaker 7: purchased a handheld recorder and after more than two years

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Speaker 7: of recording, I transcribed almost three hundred pages of notes,

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Speaker 7: and that became the first book.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's I guess primarily one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: I asked this is not a short book. It's your

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Speaker 1: your separate book we're talking about today, Parallel and Separate.

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Speaker 1: It comes in at four hundred and fifty pages. This

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Speaker 1: is I guess, the story of Shirley and jen At

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Speaker 1: her sister, Shirley, you said already is your mom. They

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Speaker 1: were separated very close to birth. I guess your your

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Speaker 1: mother was a newborn and your aunt was three years

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Speaker 1: old when they separated. But they both lived in the

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Speaker 1: Great ter Cincinnati area, yet had no idea of each

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Speaker 1: other's existence. As I understand it is that accurate.

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Speaker 7: Yes, their families, both the father for Janet and the

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Speaker 7: mother for Shirley, kept it a secrets, so they were separated,

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Speaker 7: not knowing about one another, to be reunited seventy years later,

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Speaker 7: seven decades later.

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Speaker 1: That is truly amazing. Now, they grew up differently. Not

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Speaker 1: only were they separated, not only did they not know

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Speaker 1: each other, and they grew up on opposite sides of

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Speaker 1: the town. They also were quite different in the socioeconomic upbringing,

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Speaker 1: were they not?

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Speaker 7: Yes, they were. Actually Janet was kept by her father

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Speaker 7: and her father's parents and they lived a fairly middle

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Speaker 7: class life on the west side. When the grandfather separated

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Speaker 7: the two sisters, he thought that my mother would go

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Speaker 7: with their mother and live with their mother's relatives. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 7: their mother had been adopted by an elderly couple in

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Speaker 7: Hyde Park, and both the couple, the grandmother and the

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Speaker 7: grandfather were in nursing home, So Shirley and her mother

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Speaker 7: were pretty much left to fend for themselves on the

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Speaker 7: East side, and Shirley grew up in poverty.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, I guess I'm wildly curious. Since they were

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Speaker 1: sisters obviously genetically linked, did they sort of I hate

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Speaker 1: these words. Turn out, after seventy years of life, were

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Speaker 1: they different people, different political philosophies. Obviously, maybe different socioeconomy

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Speaker 1: because that depends on what they ended up doing for

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Speaker 1: a living. But personality wise, was there a consistency or

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Speaker 1: were they dramatically different people having lived these separate lives

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Speaker 1: when they finally met each other.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great question because they were very different.

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Speaker 7: Because of Janet growing up on the West Side. Her

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Speaker 7: family was Catholic, of course, and sent Janet to Catholic girls' school.

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Speaker 7: My mother and her mother were Protestant, and as they

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Speaker 7: came to know one another seventy years later, they realized

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Speaker 7: that they had very different political views.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of the point I was coming I

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Speaker 1: was going to come to. I'm glad you brought it

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Speaker 1: up yourself, because I want to pry into politics of it.

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Speaker 1: So different religious philosophy and then different political philosophies. So

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Speaker 1: I presume one Democrat one Republican was as simple as

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Speaker 1: boiling it down to that. Was there something beyond that?

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Speaker 7: Now, that's that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: East Side was Republican, right, Yes, just like the West Side.

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Speaker 1: You can us expect it's going to be from a

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Speaker 1: Catholic family. Having grown up in del High I'm hip

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Speaker 1: to that, Beverly. There were two children in my mom

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Speaker 1: and dad's family, and there were mostly five and six

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Speaker 1: children in the balance of the neighborhood's family. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you do the math on who was Catholic and who wasn't.

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Speaker 1: So why will my listeners Beverly Williams, author of the

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Speaker 1: book Parallel and Separate, a tale of two sisters? Why

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Speaker 1: will my listeners find your family history and the lives

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Speaker 1: of your mother and her sister growing up severally a

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Speaker 1: fascinating story worthy of reading, Beverly.

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Speaker 7: The reason is truly the setting of Cincinnati. In book

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Speaker 7: one for my mother and in book two for my

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Speaker 7: aunt Janet, they bring to the book memories from both

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Speaker 7: the West Side and the East Side, and I think people,

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Speaker 7: particularly in the local area, can relate to those memories

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Speaker 7: as well as the incredible part of their memories also

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Speaker 7: of downtown landmarks. So I have to wonder, did they

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Speaker 7: see each other on Fountain Square? Did they meet one

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Speaker 7: another on a bus and not know that they were bookers?

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Speaker 7: And their grandfather and their father where the groundskeepers at

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Speaker 7: Coney Island. So Coney Island is a is somewhat of

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Speaker 7: a focus of both books. Now, in book two, I

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Speaker 7: had the time. My mother had passed, so I had

821
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Speaker 7: the time to do research on where did their father's

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Speaker 7: ancestors come from? And where did their mother's ancestors come from?

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Speaker 7: And I add that detail in book two.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful. So the very interesting and quite unusual story of

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Speaker 1: them being separated at such a young agent growing up

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Speaker 1: in the same town, but you know, not knowing each

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Speaker 1: other is a vehicle to bring in all of this,

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Speaker 1: you know, relevant Cincinnati area history poses. How you boil

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Speaker 1: that down? Yes, exactly, great well local historians and uh,

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe Peter Bronson should read a copy of this,

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Speaker 1: since he writes local history. Relieved by the way, Peter

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Speaker 1: Bronson's new book was great. I finished it the other day.

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Speaker 1: You'll love it anyhow, So I want to ask you, Beverly,

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Speaker 1: what was and and maybe you mentioned it before, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't process it, but I'm curious to

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Speaker 1: know why the the Shirley and Janet didn't know each other,

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Speaker 1: why they kept this sort of a family secret that

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Speaker 1: that that you know, they had a y had a

839
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Speaker 1: sibling living across town. What happened to prevent you your

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Speaker 1: mom and her sister from knowing about each other?

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Speaker 7: They believed it was somewhat of a shameful issue that

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Speaker 7: the grandfather had separated the two sisters, especially not allowing

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Speaker 7: them to get to know one another, not allowing them

844
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Speaker 7: the same privileges in life. So is what is the

845
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Speaker 7: reason betid my title? Both sisters grew up obviously separate

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Speaker 7: from one another, but as they become young working women

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Speaker 7: and then wives, and then mothers, and even grandmothers and

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Speaker 7: then widows. During the time that they became reunited, they

849
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Speaker 7: realized that truly they were. They had lives more in

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Speaker 7: parallel to one another than they initially believed.

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Speaker 1: How much time are they able to spend each other?

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Speaker 1: Did they create a friendship or a strong relationship after

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Speaker 1: meeting after seventy years? And how long were they around

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Speaker 1: if they did, in fact spend any time together? How

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Speaker 1: long were they around to do that.

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Speaker 7: They did when they were both in there obviously their seventies.

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Speaker 7: They wrote to one another, they sent cards, They talked initially,

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Speaker 7: they tucked on the phone a lot, and had lunches

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Speaker 7: and dinners and even had spontaneous crypt of Florida together.

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Speaker 7: But over time, as they become more and more elderly,

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Speaker 7: they began to decline in their relationship, and once I

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Speaker 7: put my mother in a nursing home, their relationship really deteriorated.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that, but at least they got

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Speaker 1: to spend time together, learn about each other, and you

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Speaker 1: got this fascinating story that obviously we're compelled to write about.

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Speaker 1: To the budding authors out there, people who think, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's no way I'm ever going to get published, can't

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Speaker 1: do it, how did you manage to is this? These

869
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Speaker 1: are the first books you've written?

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Speaker 7: Yes, okay they are.

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Speaker 1: That's well, that's an accomplishment and in of itself. So

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Speaker 1: what kind of what recommendation is a local author? And

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Speaker 1: is it obviously a not well published yet anyway would

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Speaker 1: you give to people who might be inspired to write

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Speaker 1: a book or maybe who have been thinking about that,

876
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Speaker 1: what would you say to them?

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Speaker 7: I would say go for it. I would say, if

878
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Speaker 7: you have a story that you believe in and can

879
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Speaker 7: add to it details and add to it some conversations

880
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 7: and interactions, especially with other people and settings like Cincinnati.

881
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Speaker 7: I was fascinated by places in Cincinnati. Both my mother

882
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Speaker 7: and my aunt Janet talked about I never knew of ye,

883
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Speaker 7: so I was able to go around the city and say, oh,

884
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Speaker 7: I didn't know about that, but what a wonderful area.

885
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Speaker 7: My Aunt Janet was fascinated with Miami Whitewater Forest. I

886
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Speaker 7: had never heard of that. So it was fun doing

887
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Speaker 7: the book, doing the research, and suddenly you have pages

888
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Speaker 7: and pages of good information to share.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's great, I guess today, Beverly Park William's local

890
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Speaker 1: author Parallel and Separate Book two A tell it two

891
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Speaker 1: sisters learn about the Greater Cincinnatier are generally speaking of

892
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Speaker 1: this fascinating tale of the women who separated at a

893
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Speaker 1: very young age and lived in the same town. You

894
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Speaker 1: didn't even know of each other's existence. Beverly, It's been

895
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Speaker 1: a sweet opportunity to speak with you this morning, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you writing the book and inspiring other local

897
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Speaker 1: authors maybe put pen to paper, as the case may be,

898
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Speaker 1: and put their own work together getting it published maybe

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Speaker 1: another thing. How are you able to get your book published,

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Speaker 1: Beverly Williams.

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Speaker 7: Before we part company, so initially with the first book,

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Speaker 7: I went through Amazon through their publishing operation. With this

903
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Speaker 7: second book, I actually used Ingram Spark. And the reason

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Speaker 7: I did is one of the book stores in Milford said, well,

905
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Speaker 7: you know all the bookstores purchase their books through Ingram Spark,

906
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Speaker 7: who is the distributor of books. So I said, oh, okay,

907
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Speaker 7: So I invented that and published through Ingram Spark. And

908
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Speaker 7: I have been going around bookstores asking them to please

909
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Speaker 7: purchase my book.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's how you get it out in the

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Speaker 1: world of Beverly and you become a well published author.

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Speaker 1: And I wish you all the best as you moved

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Speaker 1: toward that endeavor, and I hope people will enjoy the

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Speaker 1: book Parallel and Separate a Tael two Sisters. That'd be

915
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Speaker 1: a book two. You can read book one as well.

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Speaker 1: Conversation with g Van Fleet, the author of Mao's America,

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Speaker 1: A Survivor's Warning. She was born in China and lived

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Speaker 1: through the Cultural Revolution. Actually got sent to work in

919
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Speaker 1: the countryside at age sixteen for what they called re education.

920
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Speaker 1: Following Mao's death, she was able to go to college

921
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Speaker 1: and eventually come to the United States for graduate study.

922
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Speaker 1: She has lived in the United States since nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 1: She delivered a speech in twenty twenty one in the

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Speaker 1: Louden County, Virginia school Board against critical race theory. That

925
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Speaker 1: speech went viral, ignited a national conservative media attention, and

926
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Speaker 1: she has since written a book which You've got to get,

927
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Speaker 1: Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning. G Van Fleet, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the fifty five Kresy Morning Show. It's a distinct pleasure

929
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Speaker 1: to have you on today.

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Speaker 8: Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm kind of curious before we dive on

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Speaker 1: in tonight's are in what you are seeing frighteningly so

933
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Speaker 1: here in America. You left China in nineteen eighty six

934
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Speaker 1: to do graduate studies here. What was your impression of

935
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Speaker 1: the Tenneman Square massacre in nineteen eighty nine as a

936
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Speaker 1: someone so familiar with what it was like in China

937
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Speaker 1: at the time. Honestly, from my American perspective, I was

938
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Speaker 1: so excited up until the massacre. The crowds were gathering,

939
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Speaker 1: they had symbols of the United States Statue of Liberty.

940
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Speaker 1: I thought China was going to go full on capitalists,

941
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Speaker 1: but no, that's when the massacre took place. What were

942
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Speaker 1: you thinking at the time.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I was here. I was Florida, Yeah, attending college there,

944
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Speaker 8: and I because I was indoctrinated my whole entire life

945
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Speaker 8: until the last minute, I did not believe that the

946
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Speaker 8: army would open fire to the students because we were taught,

947
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Speaker 8: you know, the army is the people's army. They protect people.

948
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Speaker 8: That was a very very important moment for me, and

949
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Speaker 8: I lost all remaining hope or or you're losing about

950
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Speaker 8: the CCP. But the tragedy is that soon after that,

951
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Speaker 8: the whole world forgot about it. They forgot the thousands

952
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Speaker 8: of students who were killed. And then they do business

953
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Speaker 8: as usure and they imported, they transfer technology, they import

954
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Speaker 8: uh In, They put so much investment there and because

955
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Speaker 8: they just want to get money out of China. And

956
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Speaker 8: now look at today today, we really build China and

957
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Speaker 8: it become now it becomes our number one threat.

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Speaker 1: Well, and we can follow the the you know, the

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Speaker 1: eros on how that came about beginning with Save Nixon's

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Speaker 1: administrations normalizing trade with China. Obviously with China was not

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Speaker 1: friends with the Soviet Union. At the time, it seemed

962
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Speaker 1: like it was in our best interest maybe for the

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Speaker 1: goal of flipping China to capitalism, like giving him a

964
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Speaker 1: taste of the experience. But we've seen what happens since then,

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Speaker 1: we offshore manufacturing. China has dominated, like for example, the

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Speaker 1: climate industry, which I'll get to in a minute. But

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Speaker 1: you point out the people who were slaughtered a tenements,

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Speaker 1: where were the youth and the Chinese Communist Party in

969
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Speaker 1: part of the Marxist philosophy is to weaponize youth, as

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Speaker 1: you'll point out tonight in greater detail, and use them

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Speaker 1: as a means to their ends. That clearly is what's

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Speaker 1: going on here. But this was sort of weaponizing the

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Speaker 1: youth in China against the oppressive Communist or MAOIs government.

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Speaker 8: Yes, tonight, I are talking in more details just as

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Speaker 8: you said, and that is called the Red Guard of

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00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 8: Chairman Maou. And they weaponized the indoctrinated youth to do

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Speaker 8: his bit or what he wanted to achieve. He wanted

978
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Speaker 8: to overthrow the Chinese government, his own government, because he

979
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Speaker 8: thought he was losing power. Just for his own gain.

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Speaker 8: He was willing to sacrifice all the youth and then

981
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Speaker 8: bring down the entire country and uh and by the

982
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Speaker 8: time of his death, China was in the brink of

983
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Speaker 8: total collapse. We were living in object poverty, and that's

984
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Speaker 8: what communism brought to Chinese people. But Chinese people seem

985
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Speaker 8: to forget, and Americans seems to forget.

986
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Speaker 9: The whole world.

987
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Speaker 8: Seems to forget. It's the same Communist party that's ruling

988
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Speaker 8: China today, and they always always regard America as number

989
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 8: one enemy. Now they don't even hide it. Now we

990
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 8: see they're true intentions. But it's never changed. It's always

991
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 8: that way. We just failed to understand because we don't

992
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Speaker 8: want to understand.

993
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Speaker 1: We don't want to understand. We don't want to give

994
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: up our tiktoks even fleet because you know, hey, how

995
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: we have to have this which which is a source

996
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Speaker 1: of indoctrination. I've been saying, and maybe you can confirm

997
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Speaker 1: from a listening audience that I've been right on all this.

998
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: My belief is and there are multiple different weapons of

999
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: war that don't involve shooting each other, one of which

1000
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: is in doctrination via social media, which the Chinese Communist

1001
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: Party seems to dominate and own. They are looking at

1002
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Speaker 1: every element of our society and trying to divide us.

1003
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Speaker 1: You mentioned, I mean I mentioned before you did that

1004
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Speaker 1: speech in front of the Louden kind of Virginia school

1005
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Speaker 1: Board against critical race theory that divides Americans among themselves.

1006
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Speaker 1: We can't even unite amount underneath our own flag because

1007
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: well it's an inherently racist society. Well that's just one

1008
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Speaker 1: the LGBTQ plus division. Ruining the nuclear family, I mean

1009
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Speaker 1: climate change as a concept. The Chinese love the idea

1010
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: that we are just ruining our own economies chasing a

1011
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: carbon free environment while they build coal plants every single day.

1012
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 1: They have to be laughing at us.

1013
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 8: G absolutely, and I always this is something I have

1014
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 8: been really trying, really hard to weaken up America. The

1015
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 8: real thread is not the CCP. The real thread is

1016
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Speaker 8: the American Marxist It's the Democratic Party. And because everything

1017
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 8: the CSP was able to do is because they were

1018
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 8: allowed to do, they're encouraged to do and do what

1019
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 8: to enrich themselves and hollow out America manufacturer basis. And

1020
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Speaker 8: it's all a plaud to weaken America, to take down America.

1021
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 8: So the enemy is here, The enemy is the enemy within.

1022
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: Gee van Fleet should be speaking tonight again. Empower you

1023
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Speaker 1: America dot org log in. It's log in remote view only,

1024
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: so make sure you're registered to hit the ground running

1025
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Speaker 1: at seven PM. I get the impression and your passion

1026
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: behind what your message is is so profound. You have

1027
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: no yet given up on America. We do need to

1028
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: wake up. What what do we need to do? How

1029
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: do we fight back other than recognize this ridiculous, obvious

1030
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: manipulation of of the hearts and minds of our apparently

1031
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: ignorant young people.

1032
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're ignorant because we have lost the control our

1033
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 8: educational system. It's over one hundred years that the Marxist

1034
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 8: communists have been in control of our education system, from

1035
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 8: college to public school, now to kindergarten. What they teach,

1036
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 8: they teach, they don't teach, They indoctrinate. Yes, and so

1037
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 8: today you know, so, how can they How can we

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00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 8: have a communist mayor in New York City and in Seattle.

1039
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 8: It's not that we had bad people like among Danny

1040
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 8: and that woman whatever her name is. It's because the

1041
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 8: voters choose them. The voters were so indoctrinated. They have

1042
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 8: no idea about real history, they have no idea about

1043
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 8: the horrors of communism, and they hate America. And that's

1044
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 8: why they were able to use the use for what

1045
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 8: it is and get power. And that is our real issue.

1046
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 8: The issue is that we have to re educate. Here's

1047
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 8: the word the America used to help them to understand

1048
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 8: they live in the freest country in the world and

1049
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 8: their freedom can be lost if they don't understand it.

1050
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 8: And they, of course they don't understand it. They are

1051
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 8: not for freedom, they are for free stuff. That is

1052
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 8: our problem.

1053
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Speaker 1: G Van Fleet profound words elaborated on the night at

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Speaker 1: seven pm empower Youamerica dot org. Something it sounds like,

1055
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Speaker 1: destroy you from within. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar? Yes, yes, yes,

1056
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Speaker 1: I take ze Van Fleet. I want to thank you

1057
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart for what you're doing.

1058
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: Your mess is reson It's among my listening audience. I

1059
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Speaker 1: hope everyone joins the program tonight learn something that spreads

1060
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Speaker 1: the word and also buys a copy of Mao's America Survive,

1061
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Speaker 1: a Survivor's Warning, which they can get on my blog

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Speaker 1: page fifty five KRC dot com. God bless you, Zee.

1063
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: Keep up the great work. Keep speaking truth to the

1064
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: powerful communists that are out there. Maybe we can change

1065
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: the direction.

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Speaker 10: Resolutions in the new year, Yeah, break them with them.

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Speaker 11: The first week.

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Speaker 2: We'll be breaking news, something we do all the time

1069
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: around here because you never know what's.

1070
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Speaker 1: Going to happen.

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Speaker 10: The Continuing Resolution fifty five KRC the talk station.

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Speaker 1: I am honored, blessed uh to have in studio Sarah

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Speaker 1: Herringer and apologies right out of the gates, Sarah, I

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Speaker 1: have been saying herring jurror since your story broke June fourth,

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Speaker 1: when she lost her husband to a horrific murder in

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Speaker 1: their apartment over the Rhine. No need to do all

1077
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Speaker 1: the details on that, Sarah. I know you're still recovering

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Speaker 1: from the aftermath of that. But Sarah Heringery, it is

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Speaker 1: great having you in city to talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the problems that I mean, you obviously experienced the worst

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Speaker 1: and most horrific of problems in what happened on June fourth.

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Speaker 1: But as we were talking before the segment started, the

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Speaker 1: idea of crime in over the rhyme, you've had plenty

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Speaker 1: of experience with it. This isn't something new.

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Speaker 12: It's not something new.

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Speaker 13: It's been something that's been building and accumulating for quite

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Speaker 13: some time, and at this point we are seeing the

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Speaker 13: fruits of the labor of the city leadership really being

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Speaker 13: harvested or coming to its fullness right now. This is

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Speaker 13: not something where all of a sudden in the summer

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Speaker 13: of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 12: Five, wow we have crime issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well, you know earlier in the program just

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Speaker 1: to think before the top of the our news break

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Speaker 1: and I had mentioned this that I brought it up.

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Speaker 1: We didn't just wake up in the city one day

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Speaker 1: and say and find out, oh my god, we're one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or more officers short. This is a

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Speaker 1: problem that's been building for a long long time, a.

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Speaker 13: Really long time to my understanding, even back to two

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Speaker 13: thousand and eight where they're recession so hiring freeze. But

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Speaker 13: those are things that you're able to project and see coming.

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Speaker 13: And any type of business, a private corporation would not

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Speaker 13: just stand by and just be like, oh oh well,

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Speaker 13: or not have to change their strategy in order to

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Speaker 13: recruit to.

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Speaker 12: Compensate for that deficit. This is not something. I mean,

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Speaker 12: there's been a really long runway.

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Speaker 13: To be able to predict and see where there's going

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Speaker 13: to be a lack of police force, and there just

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Speaker 13: hasn't been any action or necessary action, the right kind

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Speaker 13: of action to fix it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and any prudent, logical, and reasonable person. When you

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Speaker 1: put politics aside, the most important component to a successful

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Speaker 1: city is safety.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: In order to in order to encourage anybody to live

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Speaker 1: in the city, in order to courage any business to

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Speaker 1: invest in the city, you're going to have to have

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Speaker 1: at least a perception of a very safe city. So

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Speaker 1: failure of prioritization is where I always come down on this.

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Speaker 1: So you're short on resources, you know, you got budget cuts,

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Speaker 1: you got to tighten the belt. The last place you

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Speaker 1: should be talking about tightening the belt and not refilling

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Speaker 1: depleting ranks is the police department of all places.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, And as of late, I mean AFTAB has talked

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Speaker 13: about how there's money for it. You know, we're we're

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Speaker 13: not currently in a situation where there's not money for

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Speaker 13: public safety. The money is being given elsewhere. It's not

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Speaker 13: it's not actually being allotted to what it's it should be.

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Speaker 13: And I mean safety is a is a basic human need. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: like it's we're not we're not asking for you know,

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Speaker 13: the whole Maslow's hierarchy. We're not asking for self actualization here,

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Speaker 13: We're asking for safety.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's easy to observe we are

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Speaker 1: we live in sort of de evolutionary times. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: people fly off the handle, they do obnoxious, insane things,

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Speaker 1: and as evidence by the viral nature of what happened

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Speaker 1: on Saturday morning, that a horde of people out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere would just start congregating and beating the living hell

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Speaker 1: out of someone who clearly had lost whatever fight led

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Speaker 1: out to it. Absolutely, it's so appalling. That's that's why

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Speaker 1: so many people click on it.

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Speaker 13: I think, yes, yeah, I mean, and even if there

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Speaker 13: had been a fight between two grown men, the mob

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Speaker 13: response to it, and then the woman who was beat

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Speaker 13: just by it and by just standing there and checking

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01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 13: like that, those are You're just like, what has happened?

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Speaker 12: Why are we? Why are people acting like this?

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Speaker 10: Why?

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Speaker 13: Why is this behavior even something that no one thinks

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Speaker 13: twice about?

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01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 12: Well, no hesitation.

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01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: Clearly the folks involved in and thought nothing about it.

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Speaker 1: And again that maybe the reflection of a broader societal problem.

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Speaker 1: But amid this seemingly broader societal break down, if you

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Speaker 1: want to call it, the evolution or problem we're facing

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Speaker 1: with just lack of morals, ethics, logic, and reason. That's

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Speaker 1: at the time when you need the police. That's when

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Speaker 1: you need more of it. You need a bigger police presence.

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Speaker 1: You need apparently by all reports, three o'clock in the

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Speaker 1: morning Saturday, when this is out three total officers available.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's and they are very short staffs within those hours.

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Speaker 13: Same thing with the hours at the It happened with

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Speaker 13: us as well. Uh And how is that safe for

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Speaker 13: the police? How is that safe for them? It's a

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Speaker 13: good question, you know, like it.

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Speaker 1: Thinks about the safety of the police. You think of

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Speaker 1: the safety of the community.

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Speaker 12: But now and they're they're human beings.

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Speaker 13: It's like what, Yeah, if there is something like that

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Speaker 13: going on, and it tends to I mean even we've

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Speaker 13: seen with juveniles it being like more of a mob

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Speaker 13: type thing. If you are are one officer and backup

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Speaker 13: is minutes away or not or air yeah, not there

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Speaker 13: at all, what are you going to do? It's unfair

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Speaker 13: for them.

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Speaker 1: It really is. And you know, I had never really

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Speaker 1: put myself in the position of a police officer having

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Speaker 1: to deal with a mob of thirty or forty people, Like,

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Speaker 1: you're right, what is the protocol for management of that?

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Speaker 1: Because you're just as likely to be subject of the

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Speaker 1: beatdown or maybe even bigger violence as the person that

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Speaker 1: you're there showing up on the scene and reporting to

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Speaker 1: the call for exactly. Oh my, well, how long leading

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Speaker 1: up to June fourth, how long had you lived in

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Speaker 1: over the right.

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Speaker 13: We've been in Cincinnati for ten years, and eight of

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Speaker 13: those ten we've lived in OTR.

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Speaker 1: And you decided you invested in the community.

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Speaker 12: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Your late husband's business was right there by Family Market

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Speaker 1: as I understand it. Yep.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, We've had a business downtown for ten years as well,

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Speaker 13: invested in it, lived in the community. We didn't want

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Speaker 13: to be one of those people who was like, oh,

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Speaker 13: we have a business downtown, but.

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Speaker 1: Moving off to the suburbs yea when you go.

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Speaker 12: Home, exactly.

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Speaker 13: We wanted to invest in the community that we lived

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Speaker 13: in because I think that's far more powerful for people

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Speaker 13: to do that.

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Speaker 12: That's what community is.

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Speaker 1: Well. I get a sense you embraced the idea of

1205
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Speaker 1: doing that. I mean, you obviously have a love and

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: passion for the city.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but actually you know to to choose to invest

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Speaker 1: your dollars there, you thought that was obviously a worthy endeavor.

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Speaker 1: Did at some point of leading up to June fourth,

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01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: did you come to a conclusion that well, maybe you

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Speaker 1: might have made the wrong decision in that regard.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there have been a few times where it, I mean,

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Speaker 13: the city is not safe like that, that is very apparent.

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Speaker 13: And there have been times over the years where, uh,

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Speaker 13: you know, this is not the.

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Speaker 12: First interaction with crime.

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Speaker 13: Unfortunately obviously not ones with such great consequences, But there

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01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 13: have been times where we're like, you know what, if

1220
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 13: maybe we had opened our business out in the suburbs,

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 13: you know, there wouldn't be these headaches.

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Speaker 12: There wouldn't be.

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Speaker 13: But I the thing that we that I've always loved

1224
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 13: about Cincinnati is Cincinnatians love Cincinnati.

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Speaker 12: Yeah they do.

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Speaker 13: And downtown is a great place for local businesses. You

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01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 13: don't see it's the city is so unique and the

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Speaker 13: fact that you don't see it riddled with chains and

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Speaker 13: overrun by corporate You have these local businesses and this

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Speaker 13: local spirit and this local heart of the reason why

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Speaker 13: this city has made a turnaround. Yes, they're you know,

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Speaker 13: we can contribute model properties and three CDC with you know,

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01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 13: developers as far as that goes, but they've given it

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Speaker 13: back to the people and they've allowed for them to

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Speaker 13: come in and have you know, that entrepreneurial spirit and

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01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 13: everyone downtown they want to support local business.

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Speaker 12: They don't want to go to chains.

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Speaker 13: And that's the reason why we chose downtown is because

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,679
Speaker 13: it's like starting a business. There's a lot of risk

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Speaker 13: to it, and you can see it's very evident in

1241
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 13: the heart of everyone downtown that they want it to thrive.

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Speaker 13: And the local business owners are the reason why Cincinnati

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01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 13: got to where it's at. And unfortunately, the leaders that

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01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 13: we have elected to protect our investment and protect the

1245
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 13: community are also going to be the ones where it

1246
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 13: ultimately comes down to us saying we've got to leave.

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 13: We can't just keep investing in something that you don't

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Speaker 13: protect and you don't honor the way that we've chosen

1249
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Speaker 13: to What can we do?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that goes I've searched for an explanation.

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Speaker 1: I have Christopher Smith, and a former vice mayor, on

1252
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: the program every week, and one of his mantras his

1253
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: repetitions over and over again is his unhappiness with, if

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01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: I can phrase it that way, the city leadership for

1255
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 1: their failure to out loud and regularly support the idea

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01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,799
Speaker 1: of the police working with the police, telling the police

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01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: that the population generally that the police are not They're

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01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: not bad people. They're in fact a wonderful organization that

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01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: really is there to help you, and so we work

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Speaker 1: with them, let's establish relationships. The silence from the administration

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Speaker 1: has been deafening along those lines until, like said, I'm

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: surprised it didn't pop up right after June fourth, But

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Speaker 1: in the aftermath of what happened on Saturday, now you're

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01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: seeing even folks like Aftab Purvoll talk about crime being

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: the most important thing we need to address and deal with.

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Speaker 1: Where have statements like that been prior to Saturday.

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Speaker 13: Well, they've you know, they don't want to admit to failure,

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Speaker 13: and I understand that that's political suicide and as well,

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01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 13: but you can't fix a problem unless you admit it's there.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, and I'll say this out loud, We'll bring

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Speaker 1: it and we come back. Do you think maybe part

1272
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Speaker 1: of the reason for their silence and their faired outloud

1273
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: support police and failure to be forward thinking and keeping

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Speaker 1: the numbers of officers and ranks at a reasonable level

1275
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Speaker 1: might be because of the left wing wing of the

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: Democrat Party that demands that we defund and rethink the

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Speaker 1: police department. So let's pause, We'll bring Sarah Herringerr back

1278
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Speaker 1: and we'll have further good discussion. She is in studio

1279
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Speaker 1: for the full hour, and I can't thank her enough

1280
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: for stopping in and addressing these issues so important to

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: every resident of the city of Cincinnati.

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01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC.

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Speaker 1: Wuido Patrick Herringer, who was tragically murdered on the fourth

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Speaker 1: of June this year in their apartment over the Rhine,

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Speaker 1: and we're not going to dwell on that, but it's

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Speaker 1: the predicate for her being on the program this morning,

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Speaker 1: but also the predicate for her I would say, wonderful activism.

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01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 1: You have been an outspoken critic of the problems we're

1289
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: talking about here in the city of Cincinnati since that happened,

1290
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: and it's terrible that that had to lead to this,

1291
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Speaker 1: But I think you're doing a great job of elevating

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: to everyone else's attention some of the big thingsailures we have.

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Speaker 1: I saw your post the other day about the judicial system,

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about that before the program began,

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Speaker 1: and that's one of the big failures the judicial system.

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Speaker 4: We have.

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Speaker 1: These you know, for one of a better term, you

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Speaker 1: can call them what you want. I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: liberal judges. I think they've been convinced that the criminal

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Speaker 1: justice system is somehow unfair and that for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: bonds are a bad thing and we shouldn't have cash bonds,

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Speaker 1: and that meeting out justice for people who have actually

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Speaker 1: been convicted or have you know, plead guilty or pled

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Speaker 1: guilty rather to any given crime aren't given enough time.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like a handslap, don't do it again, and

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Speaker 1: lo and behold, there they are back in court again,

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Speaker 1: are involved with the police again. So that's one that

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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest problem that we face by

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Speaker 1: way of challenge. If we all got on board and

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Speaker 1: we all said, yes, we need more police, we're going

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Speaker 1: to do more lateral hires, we're going to refill the ranks,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start better patrolling. We'll come up with

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Speaker 1: all the solutions for the police department to do whatever's

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Speaker 1: within their power to do. If there's nobody on the

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Speaker 1: tail end providing the justice that's necessary, the deterrence effect

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Speaker 1: that's part of the justice system, then it's a pointless gesture.

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Speaker 1: And I know you have talked to officers and uh

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Speaker 1: and I told you before My sister's a retired police officer.

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Speaker 1: She still has a lot of friends and they stay

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Speaker 1: in time. And I've talked to other people and uh,

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Speaker 1: we had a judge on yesterday. Betsy Sunderman also the

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,759
Speaker 1: same conclusion that morale is in the toilet and police

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Speaker 1: don't have any incentive to actually do their job and

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Speaker 1: enforce the law.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, yeah, you do.

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Speaker 13: You see, uh, you know, not in the information that

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Speaker 13: I posted is that's just scratching the surface. That that

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Speaker 13: is you know, some cases that we were able to

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Speaker 13: get a hold of it and show, but it's just

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Speaker 13: showing a trend. You know, it's a single data point,

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Speaker 13: but it's showing a trend of what the jujitsial system

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Speaker 13: is is doing and they how they are interpreting the

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Speaker 13: law and really taking matters into their own hands instead

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Speaker 13: of it's like, if you're going to do that, then

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Speaker 13: where is the critical thinking. You're not supposed to write

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 13: like it's supposed to be interpretation of the law, but

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Speaker 13: you're just letting these people out.

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Speaker 12: Over and over and over again.

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Speaker 13: And the truth is is there are very few people

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Speaker 13: who are doing most of the crimes. It's not that

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Speaker 13: you know, and that is why you're seeing them over

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Speaker 13: and over and over again, and there is no deterrence

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Speaker 13: for them. And that is clear in Cincinnati. They criminals

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Speaker 13: are making fools of them. They are not afraid of

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Speaker 13: the cops, they are not afraid of judges. They are

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Speaker 13: are killing. There's a murder every single night. And also

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Speaker 13: the crime that is happening, all of those can easily

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Speaker 13: escalate to murder. So even when the chief of police

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Speaker 13: is saying, well we only have five percent of crime

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Speaker 13: as murder, it doesn't matter. All of the other crimes

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Speaker 13: that are happening can very easily turn into that. And

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Speaker 13: there they there is no fear happening like this. You

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01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 13: know what happened to Patrick. We were not out on

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Speaker 13: the streets. We were sleeping at our home. Yeah, and

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Speaker 13: he entered our home expecting right, Yes.

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Speaker 12: Like not worried about it at all. Yes, quite honestly.

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Speaker 13: And when you have when you have a certain population

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Speaker 13: that none of us can think the way they think,

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Speaker 13: there's there you know, that's the whole thing. We even

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Speaker 13: when you're talking about people who want to be lenient

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Speaker 13: on criminals, we don't.

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Speaker 12: Have the mind of them.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point.

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Speaker 13: We we like that that is not we We wouldn't

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Speaker 13: do something right in the.

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Speaker 1: Right mind, would kick a door in in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the night, knowing full well that someone was occupying

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Speaker 1: that dwelling, you know, And if that were to happen

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Speaker 1: in my house, I'm heavily armed. I'm a proponent of

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Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, and I exercise my right. I'm a

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Speaker 1: consumed carry holder. I have strategically placed firearms in my home.

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Speaker 1: I'm prepared for that situation, you see.

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Speaker 12: And it's is you know.

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Speaker 1: It speaks volumes and being woken up at four o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the morning from from exactly yes, Sarah, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you made that point out lawd it's time for a break.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna continue this discussion because I want you to

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Speaker 1: enlighten my listeners about some of the other crime that

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Speaker 1: you personally and your late husband experience leading up to

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Speaker 1: June fourth, because I think some of my listeners will

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Speaker 1: be quite surprised about what I believe you described as

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Speaker 1: feral gangs of children. This is really disturbing thing stuff, folks.

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Speaker 1: It's seven twenty five right now. We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: with Sarah Herringer. Don't go away. Fifty five the talk

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Speaker 1: station you don't think of there seven twenty nine here

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Speaker 1: fifty five KCD talk station tried to have a happy

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Speaker 1: Thursday slash Friday Eve. It's about the subject matter we're

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Speaker 1: dealing with here, and it is a tragedy that gave

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Speaker 1: rise to my conversation this morning here with Sarah Heringer

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Speaker 1: in studio lost her husband to murder in their own

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Speaker 1: home four o'clock in the morning, which is obviously an

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Speaker 1: illustration of at least one of the many problems we

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Speaker 1: have in the city Cincinnati with crime. And you know

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Speaker 1: this can be a learned behavior. Sarah. You were telling

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Speaker 1: me about some of the crime that you and your

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Speaker 1: late husband experienced leading up to the fourth because you've

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Speaker 1: been in that area for about seven years plus or minus.

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Speaker 1: You had your business started there, so you had a

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Speaker 1: lot of interactions with, you know, folks in the community,

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Speaker 1: good and bad. Let my listeners know about some of

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Speaker 1: the what you described, and I thought it was a

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Speaker 1: great way you phrased at these feral gangs of children

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Speaker 1: that you had encountered regularly.

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Speaker 13: YEA, every summer we're we're like, oh, yep, school's out,

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 13: there's uh here they come and you see packs of children,

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01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 13: and I mean they're they're anywhere from eight sometimes younger,

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Speaker 13: sometimes all the way down to five years old, but

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Speaker 13: around eight to thirteen, fourteen, and you'll see them seven, eight,

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Speaker 13: nine of them and there's one teenager you know, that's

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Speaker 13: in charge of all of them. And there's not a

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Speaker 13: parent in sight anywhere. And it's not talking about like, oh,

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Speaker 13: it's you know, nine o'clock, still in the lights out

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Speaker 13: in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 12: Just our summer's here are amazing.

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Speaker 13: It's eleven twelve, one o'clock in the morning, and they're

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Speaker 13: running amok and there's zero supervision, parenting, consideration for their

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Speaker 13: safety either. And that is a pretty standard practice in

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Speaker 13: the neighborhood that I've lived in for the last seven

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Speaker 13: plus years.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I've talked to psychiatrists, psychologists, law enforcement officers,

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Speaker 1: people who work with you know, human services and trying

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Speaker 1: to provide a better path in a better way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it is my nineteenth year and radio I've had more

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Speaker 1: discussions I even can remember about that. And without fail,

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Speaker 1: almost one hundred percent, everyone will point the blame at

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Speaker 1: the criminal problem, the crime problem at the hands of

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Speaker 1: the loss of the nuclear family. The fact that these

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Speaker 1: children don't live in a loving environment, even just if

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Speaker 1: it's one parent. And I think that I mean that

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Speaker 1: right there, what you said, that they're somewhere where this

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01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: child ultimately goes and calls home, that there's not a

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Speaker 1: person there fretting and worrying over the fact that they're

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Speaker 1: eight nine year old child isn't home by midnight even

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, on in any given night, I don't

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Speaker 1: care if it's Saturday or Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a lack of secure attachment for them. And

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Speaker 13: that's where it starts. That's why even you know, thinking

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Speaker 13: that prison is going to reform people, it's like prison

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01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 13: does not reform anyone. And you have to start back

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Speaker 13: at that age, back at that point. That starting point

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Speaker 13: is is really where it begins is with children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, punishment is a deterrence.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, there has to be consequences, and there really are none.

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Speaker 13: And when you have a brain that doesn't already you know,

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Speaker 13: it's not formed, fully formed, it doesn't really understand consequences

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01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 13: to begin with, and you allow their behavior to continually.

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Speaker 12: Have none, what are you teaching them?

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Speaker 1: Well? And you can make a parallel to the education

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Speaker 1: system that way as well. If you're going to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and pass a child along to the next grade

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01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: when they don't have the skill sets necessary to master

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Speaker 1: the material in the grade they're in. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to learn anything, but they will learn that regardless of

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Speaker 1: how little effort they put into the project, they're going

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Speaker 1: to get moved forward.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had experienced with I think you referred

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Speaker 1: to him as a junior arsonists.

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Speaker 13: Yes, we I mean again, unfortunately, the crime that we've

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Speaker 13: encountered that personally downtown hasn't been limited to this instance.

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Speaker 13: We had boxes in the back of our pickup truck

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Speaker 13: and they were set on fire, and initially we were like,

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Speaker 13: maybe it's the smoldering heat, and we pulled our cameras

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Speaker 13: and there were three neighborhood kids who set them on fire.

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Speaker 13: And when the fire marshall, who did an exceptional job

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Speaker 13: finding them catching them right away, it was not their

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Speaker 13: first offense. The one, the kid who had actually set

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Speaker 13: fire to the boxes, that was his third arson charge,

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Speaker 13: and in between the time of him being caught and

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Speaker 13: booked for arson of our truck and showing up for

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Speaker 13: his first day of court, he had also been tagged

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Speaker 13: with a agglevated burglary attempt, and so the this is

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Speaker 13: a juvenile and you know, even if we want to

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Speaker 13: talk about the juvenile court system, I mean that the

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Speaker 13: whole idea behind that right was rehabilitate first, punished second.

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Speaker 13: But that started back when kids were shoplifting, not when

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Speaker 13: they were doing the type of crime that they are

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Speaker 13: committing now.

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Speaker 1: And including gun crime.

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Speaker 13: Yes, yep, exactly, murder, theft, assault, rape. These are very

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Speaker 13: different crimes that kids are committing these days, and again

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Speaker 13: not the type that you're you know, a child that

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Speaker 13: has secure attachment and their needs met and parents not

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Speaker 13: not the same outcomes, right, clearly, clearly, and uh you know,

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Speaker 13: get the getting the child, getting the kid to even

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Speaker 13: show up. We did press charges because we're like, listen,

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Speaker 13: you set our truck on fire. And this was not

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Speaker 13: the first time you did this. This was not a oh,

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Speaker 13: I'm gonna see what happens, and right, yeah, this is

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01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 13: something that you're intentionally doing. They knew to cover their faces.

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Speaker 13: They were like the whole thing was I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 13: they're well versed in this. And then clearly I thought

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01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 13: nobody had held them accountable before. And then you start

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01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 13: going through the court process and you see that they

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Speaker 13: don't show up. It ended up being far more of

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Speaker 13: a pain for us getting subpoena, for Patrick getting subpoenaed

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Speaker 13: all the time, and he's like, no.

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Speaker 12: I don't want to charge the parents' money.

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Speaker 13: I want this kid to stop being a menace to society.

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Speaker 13: And there's nothing in the system to hold them accountable.

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01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 13: So we ended up just being like, ah, just you know,

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Speaker 13: leave it like it's I can't keep being subpoena and

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01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 13: stop everything that I'm doing. It had been well more

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Speaker 13: than a year and we're still dealing with this. And

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Speaker 13: the other thing was in the summer of twenty three,

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Speaker 13: and this this was a really big issue. We're in

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Speaker 13: the market district, family market area and our business was

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Speaker 13: broken into multiple times. Now multiple businesses, over nine businesses

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Speaker 13: in that market area had been broken into. There is

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Speaker 13: a bar that ended up having to go out of

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Speaker 13: business because they were broken into so many times. At

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Speaker 13: some point you're like, you can't You're going to be unensurable.

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Speaker 13: You can't keep firing or filing. And we, you know,

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Speaker 13: the business owners we had congregated, we were we were

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Speaker 13: meeting with city council trying to get help, trying to

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Speaker 13: get help. I ended up having to go to the

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Speaker 13: media then as well in order to get any type

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Speaker 13: of response from the city. And then they put a

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Speaker 13: beat cop down there during the day so people coming

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Speaker 13: in would feel safe. And it's like that is not

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01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 13: when criminals are doing crime. So again it's already then

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01:24:56,280 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 13: we see optics and not doing the work to protect

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01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,400
Speaker 13: the business owners of that area. And the truth is

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 13: there was no policing done. We had on our instance,

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Speaker 13: they sent over a cop. She had a tiny little notepad. Uh,

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Speaker 13: you were broken into, no fingerprints, we had cameras, they

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01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,000
Speaker 13: did not ask for footage at all. There was nothing

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01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 13: as far as looking for the actual person. And then

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Speaker 13: there was one one guy who was arrested, the one

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Speaker 13: who actually did the break in. One night, we had

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Speaker 13: seven people break in at once because the one guy

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01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 13: broke in and multiple people came in. Patrick had to go,

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Speaker 13: my husband had to go and find that person and

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01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 13: have choice words because he kept trying to break in

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Speaker 13: during business hours. Even there's no the criminals do not

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01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:58,799
Speaker 13: fear police, they do not fear repercussions. And so Patrick

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Speaker 13: and that's you know, handled it in a way. He's

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01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 13: a pretty intimidating looking guy. And you know, the other

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01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 13: guy didn't come back, but he even went to the

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01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 13: police and was like, I can show you where he is.

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Speaker 13: And the one that they they did end up arresting,

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01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 13: who truly was mentally ill and really didn't do a

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Speaker 13: lot of harm. I actually got a letter last week.

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01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 13: It was addressed to Patrick saying, hey, this guy didn't

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Speaker 13: show up for his court dates, so we've warrant to

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01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 13: you know, we've worn out for his arrest and if

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01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 13: you need anything, called the victim's advocate. And it's it's like,

1549
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 13: it's just a it's a clown show the whole thing.

1550
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 13: You're like, there isn't going to be justice with the

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01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 13: current system that's happening. There's no follow through. And yeah,

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01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 13: I think you know there is even down to a

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01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 13: point which we talked about earlier, and apathy that is

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01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 13: coming that is so clear from the police department at

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01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 13: this point because they're humans, and how many times can

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01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 13: you just see the same criminal release before you're like,

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01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 13: what am I doing?

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Speaker 1: We'll pause, We'll bring Sarah Heringer back for a couple

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Speaker 1: more segments here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show,

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01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: Enlightening and depressing it is, but it's wonderful information to

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: get out there. Maybe they're elected officials out there listening

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Speaker 1: who might decide to start working on some solution. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of solutions, I'm going to talk to Sarah about

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01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: some of the ones that they have put in place

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01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: and whether she believes any of them are bearing any

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Speaker 1: fruit along the positive lines direction. Seven thirty nine Right now,

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRCIT Talk Station OCAUEH fifty five KARC dot com.

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Speaker 10: Life is better with less financial Stress.

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Speaker 1: Seven forty two. Here fifty five KRCD Talk Station Brent

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Speaker 1: Thomas with in studio Sarah Herringer, widow of Patrick Herringer,

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01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: murdered in their home June fourth, and over the rhyme

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01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: talking about problems in hearing in the system, and I

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,879
Speaker 1: think we've identified a lot of them. But what about

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01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: the so called reduced crime plans or whatever community activism

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01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,799
Speaker 1: is supposed to be going on, funded by a government

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01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: that's to address the problems that we're talking about today?

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Speaker 1: Generally speaking, you had mentioned to me this Act.

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Speaker 12: Act Initiative initiative.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, there, it's on the city website. It has a

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01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 13: lot of you know, really passionate flowy language, you know,

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01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 13: trauma informed. Sure, you know, yes, absolutely, and it's it's

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01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:31,879
Speaker 13: well intentioned and it sounds like something that would be

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01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 13: beautiful for the community and that everyone would want.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 13: However, the problem that we're having, I mean, at this point,

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Speaker 13: the numbers that I found is about five and a

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01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 13: half million dollars has been dumped into this program of

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01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 13: taxpayer money, right, like, that's everything the government pays for

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01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 13: is our money. And uh, there is zero line by

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01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 13: line on where.

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01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 12: This money is being spent.

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Speaker 13: We know it's going to non profits, we know it's

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01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 13: going to consultants, but there's also no metrics for success

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01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,479
Speaker 13: attached to it. How will you know something is working?

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 13: Where is the transparency on accountability? All of this money

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01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 13: that's being put into you know, giving out sandwiches and

1597
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 13: hip hop classes, how is that deterring gun violence?

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01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 12: And how can you prove.

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Speaker 13: That this money being spent is doing exactly what it

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Speaker 13: says that it's going to be doing. And there just

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01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:36,200
Speaker 13: is zero follow through metrics, accountability, transparency, And it extends

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01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:40,919
Speaker 13: far beyond just the act initiative. There's really no published

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01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 13: data betwind spot Shotter, the Pivot program. There's multiple programs

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01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 13: that they the police have told me this that they

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01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 13: just keep renaming but they already know doesn't work. But

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01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 13: they need to put money somewhere. And that is a

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01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:02,879
Speaker 13: big problem, is is they just keep funding and putting

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Speaker 13: things and you know, paying people salaries.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's like a ribbon cutting ceremony. Oh look what

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Speaker 1: we brought, you cut the ribbon, and then never talk

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Speaker 1: about it again.

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Speaker 12: No, absolutely no follow through.

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01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 13: Do we know what we're doing is working and this

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01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 13: is how we're going to measure it and if it's not,

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01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 13: then we already have a plan B. Because yeah, sometimes

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01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 13: you need some trial and error in order to get

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Speaker 13: things to work, recognize, but you have to have the

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01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 13: accountability and transparency. And I think that is the number

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Speaker 13: one issue that we are seeing with our local government

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Speaker 13: is there is zero of that. There is zero transparency,

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01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 13: there's zero accountability, and they are not measuring or tracking.

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Speaker 13: And so you might even have well intended and good people,

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01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 13: but they're not competent enough to measure the outcomes of

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01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 13: something because they don't exist and they think they're doing

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01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 13: a great job and they're not. And the results, as

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Speaker 13: we've seen in Cincinnati, speak for itself.

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Speaker 1: You know the crime levels.

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Speaker 13: I think it's pretty clear that we know that whatever

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01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 13: their funding is not working.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, wait a second, all these metrics that we're

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01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: looking for, how do you determine if it's working or not.

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01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: You can't prove something. Of course, we prevented all types

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Speaker 1: of crime, and these statistics would be through the roof,

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01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: but for but they're still on the upswech yes, we're

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01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 1: not getting better than last year. We're getting worse.

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01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 13: Yes, and significantly worse, especially in the downtown OTR area

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01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 13: that is really skyrocketed in crime.

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Speaker 1: And destroying what they the very thing that they were

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01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: looking for when they redeveloped over the Rhine. Now I'm

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01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: old enough I worked in over the Rhine at Finley

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01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: Market when I was in late high school in early college.

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01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: That was before any money was in. It was just

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01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 1: really kind of comparatively a disaster visually anyway, But honestly,

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01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: I really never feared. I wasn't afraid for my safety

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01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 1: or anything. I worked some goofy hours. You didn't get

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01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:00,839
Speaker 1: there at five o'clock in the morning warning and sometimes

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01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, you hit the bar afterwards. And yes, I

1648
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,679
Speaker 1: was underage. They didn't really care back then and maybe

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01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:07,639
Speaker 1: not get home until eleven o'clock. So I was there

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01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 1: in different hours, but never I never was concerned parked

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01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: on the street walk by myself to my car. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do that now to save my soul.

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01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:21,760
Speaker 13: No, Yeah, And I can't speak to it then, however, Yeah,

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01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 13: I can't say it enough, like downtown is not safe.

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01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 13: And this is because of right the current leadership that

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Speaker 13: we have.

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Speaker 1: And I imagine it is probably having an impact on

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01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: real estate values. There's wonderful condos that people spent six

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01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for. You're not going to get that

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01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: back now. Word's gotten out. So the project and the

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01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: motive behind it to get young money earning taxpayers to

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01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 1: move into this urban, hipster, walkable community environment that they

1663
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: talked about all the time, it's going the opposite direction.

1664
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: Why because they embraced this sort of liberal philosophy when

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01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 1: it comes to meeting out punishment in the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a few more minute. It's with Sarah Herringer.

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Speaker 1: Take a quick break. Here be right back fifty five KRC,

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Speaker 1: the talk station. I'm seven fifty one, fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: the talk station, closing out this hour long discussion with

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Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer, the widow of Patrick Herringer, and we've been

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01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,680
Speaker 1: talking about the aftermath of the tragedy that happened to

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Speaker 1: their home on June fourth, when someone broke into their

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01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: home in the middle of the night, four o'clock in

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01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: the morning and stabbed her late husband to death. And

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Speaker 1: this has given her a platform to bring to everyone's attention,

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01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: most notably those who might not be inclined to vote

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01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: in an election. I will say I'll volunteer that, Sarah.

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01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put words in your mouth, but

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01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: at least you know you're in a position because of

1680
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: this that people are paying attention to what you're saying. Right,

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01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:52,480
Speaker 1: You're a provider of valuable information, and with the spotlight

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01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: on you, people are like, oh my god. I did

1683
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 1: not know that was going on. I did not know

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01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 1: that we had no accountability with these program I didn't

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01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,120
Speaker 1: realize the judicial system was this broke when we got

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01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: judges releasing these repeat offenders over and over again. So

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Speaker 1: I know my listening audience, and I certainly applaud your

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01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,879
Speaker 1: efforts in doing this, because in spite of the tragedy,

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01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: you have to deal with and continue to cope with

1690
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: at least you have the limelight for a while. Do

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01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: you think there is any possibility as we fast approach

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01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: the November election, we have a complete Democrat council and

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01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: I don't think that necessarily means that they are against

1694
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: police or not. But we know over the past forty

1695
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: years what has happened within downtown Cincinnati. We know we're

1696
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 1: down on police numbers. We know they didn't get ahead

1697
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: of the police department numbers loss. We know that they

1698
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 1: in some cases maybe of allocated resources that should have

1699
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: gone to law enforcement or public safety in other directions.

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01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: Do you think there's still hope for the city? I mean,

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01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 1: would an administration change or a shake up on the

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01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: membership of council or maybe the mayor. And I know

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01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: it's an unlikely scenario that the city's going to start

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01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: maybe turn to Corey Bowman, But do you think a

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01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: seat change on council and leadership might help?

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01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 13: I would have to say yes that a seat change

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01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 13: would help. I also want to be critical of those

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01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,879
Speaker 13: who just think if we changed over the entire regime,

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01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,520
Speaker 13: then these problems would just go away overnight.

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01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 12: It's still power.

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01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 13: That is being abused and what's really important for people

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01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 13: to understand and to learn how to navigate when we're

1713
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 13: intentionally not tadd this. As Americans, you get a Civics

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01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 13: class in ninth grade when you're too young and you

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01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 13: don't care, and the rest of your time is spent

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01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 13: on STEM. You only learn about the political system if

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01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 13: you choose to major as a political science major. But

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Speaker 13: there needs to be a demand of transparency and accountability

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Speaker 13: for whomever is in leadership, and the leadership now they

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01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 13: they could change, you know, if we go back to

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01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 13: cancel culture even it's like, why don't you give people

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01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 13: an opportunity to make changes and show us can they

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Speaker 13: or will they?

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Speaker 12: And if they won't, then yeah.

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Speaker 13: I think that's a pretty good argument for getting someone

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Speaker 13: out and giving someone who is saying that they're in

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01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 13: alignment with your values and want what you want a

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Speaker 13: really good chance.

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Speaker 12: And it is the truth. You may not get that entirely.

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Speaker 13: And so I don't think we should put all of

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01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 13: our eggs in one basket of we need a complete

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01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 13: new regime, We need an entirely new leadership. We also

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01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 13: need to learn how to use our voices to hold

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Speaker 13: those accountable who are there.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult to hold them accountable. And here I

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01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: am take a cheap shot at after have Purwall when

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01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 1: he leaves town after knowing full well there has been

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01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 1: a terribly violent occurrence in the city, and he decides

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Speaker 1: to leave in the afternoon and go on vacation anyway, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I said that out loud. I'm not putting words in

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Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer's mouth, but I think it speaks volumes about

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01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: a failed administration. Sarah. I I am a listening audience,

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01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 1: and I pray for you, you know, for your swift

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01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 1: recovery in the aftermath. It's very an emotional time for you.

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01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: But again, I really truly applaud your efforts and trying

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01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: to get people engaged and involved. And if you could

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01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: ask something of my listening audience, I mean, what would

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Speaker 1: you say, I mean, be more like me and bring

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01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: this to people's attention, talk about it more. I mean,

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Speaker 1: any advice or something you would ask of them, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 12: I wouldn't tell them to be more like me.

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01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 13: I would say I would say, believe in yourself, empower yourself,

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01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 13: for sure. But these are really important things and people.

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01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 13: I do believe that most people are good people. They're

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01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 13: doing the best that they can, and we all want

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01:37:50,479 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 13: safe you know, safe homes, safe communities, a place for

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01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 13: us to have a good life, for us to create

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01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 13: beautiful things, for us to you know, reap the benefits

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Speaker 13: of everything that we're working so hard for. And I

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01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,759
Speaker 13: think what I would would tell them is to stay fighting.

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Speaker 1: Sarah Herringer, it's been a true pleasure having you in studio.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time today and your efforts thus far,

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01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:19,799
Speaker 1: and I hope you continue. You got a good voice,

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01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: you have obviously a lot of respect from a lot

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01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,120
Speaker 1: of people generally speaking for what you're doing and the

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Speaker 1: courage you're showing, of course, amid the tragic circumstances that

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Speaker 1: gave rise to all this what i'll call activism. Keep

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01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: up the great work, Sarah, And if you ever need

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01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 1: a voice, if you ever have something to pass along,

1771
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,160
Speaker 1: if you get additional developments you want to spread farther

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01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 1: and wider, you are more than welcome to just even

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01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,639
Speaker 1: place a phone call here to the fifty five krs

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Speaker 1: more and Shore, or make the trip back in. I

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01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: love having the studio.

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Speaker 12: Yep, We'll come anytime.

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Speaker 10: Today's top headlines coming up at the top.

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Speaker 1: Of the hour.

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Speaker 10: The changes every minute fifty.

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Speaker 1: Five krz the talk station hour or more yesterday on

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Speaker 1: this man's Facebook page. You should follow him on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Andrea an Dre Andre ewing for retired since St police officer,

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01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: thirty years of service to our community. Proud of that

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01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: he is and he continues to advocate. He is the

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Speaker 1: founder of a called Curse Breakers, three hundred strong and

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Speaker 1: Death Row Ministries. UH Police Peace Officer Deactivation Specialist Andre

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Speaker 1: ewing Man, I am so pleased you came in to

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Speaker 1: talk to us this morning. It's pleasure to have you

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Speaker 1: in the studio.

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Speaker 9: Thank you, brother Brian. I appreciate it. I'm so glad

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01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 9: to be here. And I'm on fire. You are on fire, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And that's what was so cool about what you were saying,

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01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:42,080
Speaker 1: speaking truth to power, passionate and your reaction to the

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Speaker 1: violence in the city of Cincinnati, which it sounds I

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01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,200
Speaker 1: mean it's almost as if you knew it was coming

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01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 1: because you posted a video on the twenty fourth criticizing

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Speaker 1: the administration. You were at Police Chief threes Thiji and

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01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 1: you know all about it because you're a police officer

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01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: for that period of time. Share along. You went after

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Speaker 1: the mayor officials demanding a change in administration because clearly

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Speaker 1: we're on the wrong path. And then one day later,

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01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 1: look what happens in downtown Cincinnati. So you had a

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01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 1: nice follow up to that one. So let my listeners

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Speaker 1: know where you are on all this Andre.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's disgusting, disgusting.

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01:40:17,439 --> 01:40:22,520
Speaker 9: Just listening to Chief Thiji's interview yesterday, it was absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 9: We are a nationwide joke right now in Cincinnati, the

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Speaker 9: issues of talking about you only had uh two officers

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Speaker 9: respond that was dispatched. That was in the central Business section,

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Speaker 9: and she even said, over one hundred thousand people and

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Speaker 9: you're dispatching cars to a scene where there's so many

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Speaker 9: people and vehicles. But here here we have around the

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Speaker 9: country where people are getting ran over. Why wasn't those

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Speaker 9: streets just completely blocked off that there were no vehicle

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Speaker 9: traffic number one so the officers can get there and

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Speaker 9: there's no officers on.

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Speaker 10: Foot in the area. Absolutely unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: It took us six minutes to get there, which you know,

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Speaker 1: in terms of response time. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: good or bad, but you're talking about a downtown Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: that's got three major events going on, and people don't

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Speaker 1: just pack up and go home at eleven pm when

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Speaker 1: the rock when the music stops, they head over the

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Speaker 1: door district and go into the bars. And so they're

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Speaker 1: going to be into the bars until the bars are

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Speaker 1: going to close. So you have obviously a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that are going to be pouring into that neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: You would expect it to be police all over, and

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Speaker 1: that's what you were advocating for on your on your

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Speaker 1: Facebook posts. How come there were police on the on

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Speaker 1: the corners of the street in an area where you knew,

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Speaker 1: damn well, there's going to be a whole bunch of people.

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Speaker 9: My point exactly, why didn't you have police on every corner,

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Speaker 9: saturated to tell people welcome to Cincinnati, wave at people.

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Speaker 10: But no, why because.

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Speaker 9: Administration did not allocate the proper units downtown to deactivate

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Speaker 9: things like.

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Speaker 1: This or just to prevent them from happening by their

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Speaker 1: mere presence. Absolutely, yeah, and that you know the police

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Speaker 1: presidence is so critical. Now respond to this, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not really playing devil's advocate because I'm in full agreement

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Speaker 1: with your perception at what should have gone down. But

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Speaker 1: her response. Police Chief Thigi's response might be, well, we're understaffed.

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Speaker 1: They only had three officers at that moment in time,

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Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning that were even available

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Speaker 1: to respond. That's a pretty sizable area. And of course

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Speaker 1: with all those people there, clearly three officers ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: cut it exactly.

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Speaker 9: So if you know you're gonna be understaffed prior to

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01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 9: then wouldn't you make the proper adjustments beforehand? We knew

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Speaker 9: a year out this event is coming to town, and

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01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 9: you see the things that are curring, but yet you

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01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 9: did not plan effectively and had no type of strategy.

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Speaker 9: So that should tell you once again leadership map and

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Speaker 9: in this case, leadership failed.

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Speaker 10: And what do you have?

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Speaker 9: Total chaos in the city of Cincinnati. I told them before,

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Speaker 9: you must want Gotham City. And I've always said on

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Speaker 9: my post, who's next?

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Speaker 1: Who's next? There? But for the grace of God go

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Speaker 1: anybody that goes downtown. And I know you had some

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Speaker 1: really pointed comments and warnings to my white friends out

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Speaker 1: in the listening audience about what they should prepare for

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Speaker 1: and maybe shouldn't even bother going downtown because I think

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Speaker 1: that's your choice. As well. He said major events like that,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to get anywhere near.

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Speaker 10: Them, absolutely not, absolutely not.

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Speaker 9: We see what's going on even locally and abroad nationwide,

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Speaker 9: and if the police are not setting things up for

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Speaker 9: us to feel safe and secure. And I walk into

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Speaker 9: a situation and I see angry people, I see situations happening,

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Speaker 9: and I just want to come out of an establishment

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Speaker 9: and just walk down the street, and I may have

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Speaker 9: an alter and the next thing you know, me and

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01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:07,040
Speaker 9: my friends may get completely beat down, and the narrative

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01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 9: of being twisted, which is very interesting that I've seen.

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Speaker 10: If this was an.

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Speaker 9: Entire all white mob on a black person, it would

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Speaker 9: be considered a.

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Speaker 10: Hate crime from the get go, from the get go.

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Speaker 9: But even Chief Fiji set there and said, this fight,

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01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 9: this fight, We do know who it is. Turn yourself in, no,

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01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 9: put these individuals on blast, name them by name, Let

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Speaker 9: the people in the community know this behavior is unacceptable.

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01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 9: So if it was actually disgusting to her, why are

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Speaker 9: you requesting they turned themselves in versus putting their picture

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Speaker 9: on TV and saying this is who it is and

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Speaker 9: we're coming to get you.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring back Andre Outstanding seven thirty six right now,

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01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 1: if you've got a casity, the suxiations stick around.

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Speaker 11: This is fifty five KRC and iHeart radio station.

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Speaker 1: The party's just getting started. Outstanding, outspoken Andrea Ewing. Follow

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01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:10,879
Speaker 1: him on Facebook, check out his videos. He pulls literally

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Speaker 1: no punchings at all. Andre. You know, I apologize I

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01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to see your most recent post,

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Speaker 1: but caption all in caps. This makes me sick. City

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01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 1: leaders calling in the lincoln Ware shows saying the white

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01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: man got the action he deserves. Now, I had heard

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01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: that that some people said that this was totally justifiable.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what led to the ultimate melee

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01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 1: and beat down of these people, but I can't come

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01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 1: up with a single action that could justify that mob behavior.

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01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: How could anybody suggest that that man or the woman

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Speaker 1: who got punched square in the face deserved what they got.

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Speaker 9: Exactly, There is no justification, period, zero justification. And when

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01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,799
Speaker 9: you look at that and the comments that were called

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Speaker 9: in into the lincoln Ware Show, when you can read

1908
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 9: the comments and people saying, yeah, that's would he get

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01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 9: you bring the action, you get the action. And we

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Speaker 9: had literally leaders like David Whitehead, the leader of the

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01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 9: NAACP call in, and it seemed as if he was

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Speaker 9: being motivated by the comments that were constantly going against Smitherman.

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01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 9: Collin Smitherman a coon, a sellout. And I'm sitting there

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Speaker 9: watching and I'm listening and I'm reading. I said, this

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Speaker 9: is disgusting that we have blacks that are saying this

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01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 9: is what you get. So that's why I also stated,

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Speaker 9: no wonder our young people are following suit, because if

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Speaker 9: our own leaders are saying this is how you handle business,

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Speaker 9: then don't say absolutely nothing to our children.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's a really, really good point. And Christopher's

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01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,920
Speaker 1: been on that theme for a long time. It's where

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01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: are our city leaders advocating to support the police, to

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01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: support non violence, to you know, engage in a positive

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01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: relationship with the police for the betterment of the communities.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard time and time again the vast majority

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Speaker 1: of blacks, if you talk to them individually, they want

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Speaker 1: safe streets. They don't have a problem with the police.

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Speaker 1: In fact, as illustrated by over the weekend, there aren't

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Speaker 1: enough around. We need more. But the loud voice gets

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Speaker 1: the attention, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and sadly,

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Speaker 1: you know, the squeaky Wills. Perhaps the president current president

1932
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Speaker 1: of the NAACP's part of the problem. I don't know,

1933
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 1: but they're the ones that people tend to listen to.

1934
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 1: And that sounds like what representatives of the black community

1935
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 1: are advocating for. And yeah, that's gonna rub off on children. Absolutely,

1936
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: absolutely think about this.

1937
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Speaker 9: Sheryl Long literally remove District five, took it completely out

1938
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:49,440
Speaker 9: of a community.

1939
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 10: But yet the.

1940
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 9: Mayor and the chief stand by and say safety is

1941
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 9: our number one priority. And we see that Sarah Harry,

1942
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,800
Speaker 9: she blew the rooftop off of a lot of issues

1943
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:08,719
Speaker 9: that the city was portraying and tested her own numbers

1944
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 9: against theirs.

1945
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 10: And so if it's your top priority, and now.

1946
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:15,919
Speaker 9: All of a sudden you're saying, oh, we need more police,

1947
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 9: but you took a police district out of a community.

1948
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Speaker 10: Make it make sense, brother, Brian Police.

1949
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Speaker 1: I can't.

1950
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Speaker 6: You know.

1951
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Speaker 1: The only thing I can come up with, Annie is

1952
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: they are so afraid of acknowledging that there's a crime

1953
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 1: problem because it's bad press. It's gonna maybe make people considered.

1954
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Speaker 1: I don't want to move to Cincinnati, but you can,

1955
01:48:36,840 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't deny your I mean it's like,

1956
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 1: don't believe you're lying eyes. People who live in the

1957
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,800
Speaker 1: city know there's a problem. I mean, the police know

1958
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:47,639
Speaker 1: their problem, and the ignoring the problem, and I think

1959
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 1: it's really probably driven by just the fact that we

1960
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:52,680
Speaker 1: just don't want to acknowledge it, to talk about it

1961
01:48:52,720 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: because it just looks bad. Well, welcome to front page

1962
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:58,320
Speaker 1: news across the United States of America with what happened

1963
01:48:58,360 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 1: on Saturday morning.

1964
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Speaker 9: One thousand percent. And police officers are frustrated. Oh yeah,

1965
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 9: they are extremely frustrated because I know for a fact

1966
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 9: that they do go out here and do their job

1967
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 9: and deal with a lot of issues, and they deactivate.

1968
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 10: As much as they can. They really do.

1969
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 9: But I've been an advocate to always say I'm not

1970
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 9: here to take sides. I'm here to save lives, and

1971
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 9: if my fellow officers are doing something they shouldn't be doing,

1972
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 9: I've always wanted to be an advocate to say, look,

1973
01:49:32,040 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 9: this is what's right, and this is what's wrong.

1974
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:36,879
Speaker 10: But when I see it wrong, and I see.

1975
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 9: A community constantly going against itself, murders on the ride.

1976
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,560
Speaker 10: Black on black crimes.

1977
01:49:43,120 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 9: And these same civil leaders have nothing to say, absolutely nothing.

1978
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 9: That's disgusting because we both know that the multiple murders

1979
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 9: that occur are with on our black youth and the

1980
01:49:58,120 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 9: murders in Cincinnati, and no one is taking accountability.

1981
01:50:02,479 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 1: We'll bring back Andre for one more segment Andre Ewing

1982
01:50:05,400 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 1: before we get to the bright part Insights scoop after

1983
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: the top of the air news again. Check him out

1984
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 1: on Facebook and the level you have what he has

1985
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:13,719
Speaker 1: to say. One more segment with Andre Ewing.

1986
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Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC You're one stop for.

1987
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 1: A fifty about PARACP talk station Marinontown was with Andre Ewing,

1988
01:50:19,400 --> 01:50:22,640
Speaker 1: retired police officer and you're you're like a community activist.

1989
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 1: You speak to youth groups and and and you know,

1990
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:28,639
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just kind of curious what you're doing

1991
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:31,120
Speaker 1: in your your your in the time you're not here

1992
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 1: in my studio talking to my listeners. Right.

1993
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Speaker 2: Uh.

1994
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Speaker 10: Just did something with the Urban League. It was powerful.

1995
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:41,439
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, the Urban Champions and just had a great

1996
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 9: encounter with some young youth and trying to promote and

1997
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 9: show them there's a different way to go about situations.

1998
01:50:50,200 --> 01:50:53,719
Speaker 9: And it's interesting everything that we told them to do.

1999
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 9: What they saw downtown was exactly the example we said

2000
01:50:57,479 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 9: This is what happens if you run to a five,

2001
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 9: if you go to a fight, if you present yourself

2002
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 9: and has speakers there telling them to turn the other

2003
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:12,520
Speaker 9: way and to make sure that everyone is safe, everyone,

2004
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 9: not just some. Well, I appreciate your speaking to the

2005
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 9: young people. They certainly need a clear and convincing voice

2006
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:18,360
Speaker 9: like yours.

2007
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 6: Um.

2008
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: But speaking of change, and I said to you off air,

2009
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:25,559
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, Andre, You and I both

2010
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 1: know it. Come November, the residents of the city of

2011
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: Cincinnati have an opportunity to vote. And you know, the

2012
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,640
Speaker 1: definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and

2013
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 1: over again and expecting a different result. But they're still

2014
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 1: going to vote for the same clowns in office. And

2015
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:40,600
Speaker 1: you had advocated for a change in administration on your

2016
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 1: onet of your recent videos. What's your take on the

2017
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:45,360
Speaker 1: upcoming election in November? And do you think this is

2018
01:51:45,400 --> 01:51:47,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity for change in the city of Cincinnati.

2019
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:49,920
Speaker 10: It's a perfect opportunity for change.

2020
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:53,640
Speaker 9: It's interesting because if this was a professional team and

2021
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 9: they went oh for twelve, what do you do we want.

2022
01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 10: To go oh and twelve again?

2023
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,719
Speaker 9: We talk about the Bengals, if they would have had

2024
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 9: the proper defense in place. Guess what might be talking

2025
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 9: about Super Bowl champs with the offense that they had,

2026
01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:13,440
Speaker 9: but guess what they decided to get more power, impactful

2027
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 9: people on defense. So let's deal with the truth of

2028
01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 9: the matter. We are in a position to make change.

2029
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 9: I would love to see the debate. Let them go

2030
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 9: at it one on one, debate this thing, go right

2031
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 9: at the situation, and let's see who exactly would be

2032
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:37,639
Speaker 9: best for the position of mayor because at this point,

2033
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 9: what we have seen and if you want this to

2034
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 9: continue at this state, we are going to be in

2035
01:52:46,280 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 9: a world of mess. And this is exactly what we see.

2036
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 9: And it should start from the top down. And I've

2037
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:56,560
Speaker 9: said it before, Teresa Thiji needs to go.

2038
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, just go out.

2039
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:03,280
Speaker 9: There's so many powerful candidates out there, so many powerful

2040
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,360
Speaker 9: candidates out there. She needs to resign, leave at this

2041
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 9: moment and allow us to go out and see if

2042
01:53:11,560 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 9: there are other individuals more qualified, more experienced and understand

2043
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:20,799
Speaker 9: city dynamics and are willing to work with everyone.

2044
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: Well, this police chief THESI, I don't presume it, but

2045
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: I presume that you do regularly speak with members of

2046
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:30,120
Speaker 1: law enforcement who are still actively with the police department.

2047
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean you got friends, right, you hear you talk

2048
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: to them? How's it? Is there a sense that they

2049
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: have any respect for leadership within the department.

2050
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 10: Zero leadership and that's a shame.

2051
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:42,479
Speaker 9: And I have this on one of my posts is

2052
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 9: where Sheryl Long was going into several police districts with

2053
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 9: actually Scottie Johnson and ask the police officers, who would

2054
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 9: you like to see a chief? And at the time

2055
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 9: the mud red tie had sat back and said, well,

2056
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 9: Lisa Davis, Colonel Lisa Davis said we would.

2057
01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 10: We think she.

2058
01:54:06,920 --> 01:54:10,640
Speaker 9: Would be a great advocate. She's a community person, she understands.

2059
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 9: And guess what, she still picked Teresa Thiji. Now that's

2060
01:54:16,040 --> 01:54:21,599
Speaker 9: interesting because people did not officers did not want her

2061
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:25,040
Speaker 9: in the morale and what you see and people being

2062
01:54:25,080 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 9: motivated started from the top down. And what Chryl Long

2063
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 9: decided to do without listening to officers and the proper

2064
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,480
Speaker 9: way to select the chief of our city.

2065
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 10: And from these results, you are seeing.

2066
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 9: Us getting blasted by individuals on podcasts across the country

2067
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 9: talking about our city and how terrible it is.

2068
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 1: So low morale. And then I'm sure we of course

2069
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 1: know about the low morale within the police department because

2070
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 1: of the criminal justice system. Generally speaking, why bother arresting

2071
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,800
Speaker 1: the kid for breaking curfew when there is going to

2072
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 1: be nothing at all, zero done to them, absolutely zero.

2073
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:09,320
Speaker 9: Nothing will happen. Usually if we even take someone to

2074
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:12,680
Speaker 9: twenty twenty a juvenile, we're calling their parents on the way,

2075
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 9: make sure you come get your child. As soon as

2076
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,600
Speaker 9: they come in, they're walking straight out. And these kids

2077
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 9: understand the system that they can take it to the

2078
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,080
Speaker 9: whole next level and then say, well, when I turn eighteen,

2079
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 9: I'll just get my record expongs. Absolutely ridiculous. Gun laws

2080
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 9: need to be increased that we're not playing If you

2081
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 9: get caught with a gun, we're not playing games with you.

2082
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 9: We're gonna hold you accountable. You will do some time,

2083
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 9: You will do some time. So these judges need to

2084
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 9: step it up and stop playing games.

2085
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always very puzzling to me because you know,

2086
01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 1: if after Purvol had his way, he would take away

2087
01:55:51,160 --> 01:55:54,000
Speaker 1: everyone's guns. And that's not your position, because you had

2088
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:58,280
Speaker 1: advocated on one of your posts that we should be armed.

2089
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:01,520
Speaker 1: You know, you know, go to the range train, learn

2090
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,280
Speaker 1: how to properly use it. You know, you know, if

2091
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:06,880
Speaker 1: you as long as you're lawfully able to carry a firearm,

2092
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 1: you probably should because that way you can defend yourself.

2093
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:14,720
Speaker 9: And that's just the society we live in today. But

2094
01:56:14,920 --> 01:56:18,000
Speaker 9: now what is the perception of defending yourself? That's why

2095
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:22,840
Speaker 9: I said, when you were downtown in this circumstance, and

2096
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 9: if somebody had a firearm and started to just let off,

2097
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,839
Speaker 9: we would have at least twenty to twenty five people

2098
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 9: dead and more critically injured based on this situation. While

2099
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 9: people were armed, and I bet you there were people

2100
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,200
Speaker 9: that were armed that maybe just didn't pull their weapon

2101
01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 9: at the time.

2102
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 10: But during that beat down, would someone had.

2103
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 9: Been justified to pull in and try to save the

2104
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 9: gentleman who was getting mobbed against who was getting attacked

2105
01:56:54,440 --> 01:56:58,960
Speaker 9: and kick brutally and savagely he could be a damage

2106
01:56:58,960 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 9: for life brain down much he was in. A woman

2107
01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 9: savagely was struck. So if somebody would have put out

2108
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 9: a gun and start a firing, would they have been wrong?

2109
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 1: H No, they wouldn't you know what I'm thinking of.

2110
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: The guy who saved maybe multiple lives at that walmart

2111
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 1: up was a Milwaukee The guy that was stabbing, he

2112
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 1: stabbed eleven people and long comes a marine with a

2113
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 1: firearm that didn't put the guy down, but stopped the

2114
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 1: violence from happening. If you have reasonable eminent apprehension of

2115
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 1: grievous bodily harm that guy was suffering from grievous bodily

2116
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,959
Speaker 1: harm at the time, or you have a legitimate reasonable

2117
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: fear for your own life, you were allowed to use

2118
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 1: deadly force. So and I talked with the FOP president

2119
01:57:40,040 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 1: just the other day about that. He agreed with me completely.

2120
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely use of a firearm under those circumstances would have

2121
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 1: been justified.

2122
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,160
Speaker 10: Absolutely. When people are.

2123
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:50,160
Speaker 1: Freaked out, they think some left wing prosecutor is going

2124
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:52,680
Speaker 1: to go after them for defending their lives or defending

2125
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:55,120
Speaker 1: the lives of others. So there creates that reluctance in

2126
01:57:55,240 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 1: society because they think they're going to be the ones prosecuted,

2127
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:00,360
Speaker 1: not the person given the beat down.

2128
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 10: Now, this is interesting. I want to ask you some brother, Brian.

2129
01:58:04,920 --> 01:58:08,880
Speaker 9: When there's a UFC cage fight, they have a ref

2130
01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:12,720
Speaker 9: right there in the middle. Once this ref sees it's

2131
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 9: out of control and that person may even remotely lose consciously,

2132
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 9: they step in. That's it. It's over. You don't continue

2133
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 9: to go because why they understand the issues that continue

2134
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:28,960
Speaker 9: to happen. Well, guess what, there was no referee down here,

2135
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:32,720
Speaker 9: and we continue to see beat down, another hid in

2136
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 9: the face, another kicking a face, another jab in the faith.

2137
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 9: It was consistent with beyond almost aggravated assault, and they

2138
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,520
Speaker 9: should be prosecuted to the highest level.

2139
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: Under a ewing. You know what, someday I want to

2140
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 1: be interviewing you as candidate for office, you run for

2141
01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:55,160
Speaker 1: counsel or maybe run for mayor or something like that.

2142
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 1: I think you get a lot of votes. Man, Yes sir, Yes, sir,

2143
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 1: once you consider that, you got to your eye. Maybe

2144
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 1: you have been considering it. It's not too late, yes, sir,

2145
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 1: it's not too late. Yes, sir, you always have an

2146
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:08,320
Speaker 1: opportunity here on the fifty five Carosee Morning Show. I

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Speaker 1: love your message, I love your passion. I know you

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Speaker 1: care about the city, you care about our youth, and

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Speaker 1: you know there's a better direction, a better path. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we'll all wake up in the city and find that

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Speaker 1: path in November.

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Speaker 9: Yes, sir, thank you so much. May Man, it's been fun,

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Speaker 9: it's been awesome.

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Speaker 1: You come back again.

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Speaker 10: All about the truth.

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Speaker 11: Fifty five KRC yes.

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Speaker 1: Count circumstances obviously difficult and maybe slightly uncomfortable. My next

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Speaker 1: guest Holly mononym, and I think it I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have to ask Holly how she feels about that well

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Speaker 1: known she is by her first name only. She was,

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Speaker 1: as we all watched in horror at the videotape of

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Speaker 1: the July twenty six beat down the curtain downtown Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: made nationwide headlines punched in the face, seemingly undeserving of

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Speaker 1: any type of violence, and who could justify violence on

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Speaker 1: that level? Welcome to the fifty five Kroosee Morning Show. Holly.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for deciding to join the program this morning.

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Speaker 1: I my listeners truly appreciated.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, Now, thank you for inviting me. I'm

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Speaker 5: finally starting to heal and feel better, so you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm glad to finally be able to come on and

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Speaker 5: talk about everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you're willing to do that. I

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Speaker 1: have to ask out, just what is it like being

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Speaker 1: you and thrust into the national spotlight. Certainly this is

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Speaker 1: not something you were clamoring for by way of attention.

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Speaker 5: Holly, It's definitely terrifying, to say the least. Especially the

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Speaker 5: way that everything happened and went down. I know, you know,

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Speaker 5: I've had so much love from so many people, but

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Speaker 5: there are also some there was a lot of hate

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Speaker 5: on the other side as well, or people who didn't

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Speaker 5: know the full story who wanted to make their own opinion.

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately, there were some leaders in Cincinnati who were

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Speaker 5: also trying to change the narrative and smear my name

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Speaker 5: as well. When I just kept asking, you know, where

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Speaker 5: were the where was the police presence during all of this,

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Speaker 5: because everything that happened truly was preventable. So the more

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Speaker 5: that I just kept asking that question, the more my

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Speaker 5: name became smeared, and so in the national headline, I

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Speaker 5: think a lot of people have a misconception of everything.

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Speaker 1: Well, what exactly did happen? We all know how it ended, Holly.

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Speaker 1: You were taken to the hospital, you almost died, and

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Speaker 1: you can correct the record if that is not correct.

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Speaker 1: But we've all seen the post beating photographs of you.

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Speaker 1: You obviously suffered a horrific, horrific damages, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to hear that you're doing better. But up to the

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Speaker 1: point in time where you got punched in the face,

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Speaker 1: seemingly without any justification what led up to that moment

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Speaker 1: in time?

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Speaker 5: So that night, I went out to a friend's birthday party.

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Speaker 5: I don't really get out much. I'm a single mom,

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Speaker 5: and so I didn't have my daughter that night, and

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Speaker 5: there was a friend's birthday party at a place that

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Speaker 5: I'd never been to before. So and I had never

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Speaker 5: heard of the Jazz Festival as well, because I don't

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Speaker 5: live in Cincinnati. I live in Dayton, so I drove

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Speaker 5: up there. But I've always loved Cincinnati, and apparently that's

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest crime weekends out of the whole year,

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Speaker 5: which we'll get to that of why like the police

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Speaker 5: presence was such a big deal of like them.

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Speaker 4: Not being there.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, we had went to a dance club for

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Speaker 5: the birthday party, had a great time, came out to

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Speaker 5: wait for Uber, and there was just a huge mob

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Speaker 5: of people that were out there and they were making

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Speaker 5: some comments towards.

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Speaker 2: The group.

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Speaker 5: That we were with, which I won't give too many details.

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Speaker 5: There's still investigation going on, but you know, to say,

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Speaker 5: the least five people in the group that I was

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Speaker 5: with was attacked by about thirty people. They were around

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Speaker 5: one hundred people on the streets that you know, everyone

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Speaker 5: was watching. And then they each each of the five

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Speaker 5: people had at least five or six men on them,

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Speaker 5: attacking them, kicking them, punching them, and I mean it

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02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:48,400
Speaker 5: got to the point where everyone at one point had

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Speaker 5: got knocked out, kicked on the ground, kicked in their head,

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Speaker 5: kicked on their bodies. And then when they stood up,

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Speaker 5: a new group just jumped in and it was like

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Speaker 5: the mob is just riling each other up, and they

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Speaker 5: were like, yeah, I get them. So then a new group.

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Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't just one person one on one fighting,

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Speaker 5: I mean it was it was an attack. And there

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02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:21,160
Speaker 5: was one in particular he had he had been knocked

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Speaker 5: to the ground at least two or three times in

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Speaker 5: my memory, and I mean he was just he was

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02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:31,200
Speaker 5: literally getting curbs ump. He had blood all over him

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Speaker 5: getting kicked and punched. I found out recently that it

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Speaker 5: was specifically twenty eight times that he was kicked in

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Speaker 5: the head, If that tells you how bad it was getting.

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Speaker 5: And everybody just had their video cameras out there laughing,

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Speaker 5: they're high fiving. It was absolutely grotesque to see how

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Speaker 5: just the group people were enjoying watching these people get

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02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:07,480
Speaker 5: beat to it into their life. And the man started

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Speaker 5: crying out to God and was he was just like, please, God,

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02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:18,880
Speaker 5: someone saved me. Please, And I you know, I instinctively

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Speaker 5: just jumped in. I'm you know, I'm a Christian, I'm

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Speaker 5: a mom. Like my instincts, I was like, I can't,

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Speaker 5: I can't just sit here and do nothing unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Ally And that was the gentleman that you were attending

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Speaker 1: to when you got punched in the face. Is that

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Speaker 1: the man you're referring to?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, for the record, I had just

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Speaker 5: met him that night at the birthday party a few

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Speaker 5: hours before. I know, the media kept saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: the guy's wife or the guy's girlfriend or whatever, like

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Speaker 5: I had just met him, and so I just, you know,

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Speaker 5: just felt the need too. I thought that if I

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02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:03,240
Speaker 5: because I knew if he continued to stay down, he

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Speaker 5: was going to die, no question about it.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was just that bad that people were not stopping,

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Speaker 5: and more people were continuing to jump in every time

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Speaker 5: he fell down.

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Speaker 1: Did you say anything before you were punched in the face.

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Speaker 1: Were any exchanges between you and the man who's been

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Speaker 1: identified as responsible for your beating with Patrick Roseman, who's

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Speaker 1: I guess still currently in jail because of the bond issue.

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Speaker 1: But any words exchanged between YouTube before you got punched.

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Speaker 5: So I helped the gentleman up who was on the ground,

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Speaker 5: and then I stood in between him and the main

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Speaker 5: person who was beating him, and I just kept saying,

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Speaker 5: please stop, stop, please, you know, waving my hands around.

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Speaker 5: And you know, there's there's video of it online which

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Speaker 5: there's different angles. Some of the angles that looks it

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02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:01,920
Speaker 5: doesn't look the best, but if you see straight on angles,

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Speaker 5: you can literally see me saying please stop, stop, please,

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Speaker 5: you know. And the guy that punched me actually, just

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Speaker 5: from what I'm told, he wasn't even really he wasn't

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Speaker 5: part of the fight. He was one of the watchers,

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Speaker 5: if you will. And he came from the side, he

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02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:29,840
Speaker 5: came out of nowhere and just cold cocked me in

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Speaker 5: the face. And I was out before I even hit

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Speaker 5: the ground. So my whole body weight was on my head.

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Speaker 5: My head hit the concrete really hard, and due to that,

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Speaker 5: I am still suffering some you know, major neurological issues.

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Speaker 5: So when I say I'm healing, like my face is healed,

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Speaker 5: which is great, but there's definitely some after mask that's

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Speaker 5: going on. I'm still seeing a lot of different specialists

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Speaker 5: and stuff. I'm suffering from short term memory, So it's

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Speaker 5: like anything that has happened after that event, you know.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you know, I just don't I have three to

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Speaker 5: five minutes basically of after a conversation to write something

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Speaker 5: down to help me to remember, or I just forget.

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Speaker 1: Well, I imagine it's it has had to have I'm

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Speaker 1: guessing it had to have dramatically change your perception of

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Speaker 1: life generally. Are you struggling with if I can use

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Speaker 1: this term post traumatic stress? I mean I would be

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Speaker 1: very concerned about being in public and any downtown environments

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Speaker 1: after something horrific like that happened literally out of nowhere.

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Speaker 5: It seems Oh, absolutely yeah. It has literally changed my life.

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Speaker 5: It's changed my whole perspective on everything.

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Speaker 10: You know, I'm I.

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Speaker 5: Definitely have a lot of anxiety I didn't have before,

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Speaker 5: and I really don't leave the house unless it's for

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Speaker 5: doctor's visits or something, you know, with my child, or

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Speaker 5: when I advocate. I've been helping to really be like

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Speaker 5: a victim's advocate for a lot of this and speaking

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Speaker 5: publicly because I think that what happened to me was

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Speaker 5: very preventable, and I think that we have a lack

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Speaker 5: of leadership in not just Cincinnati but a lot of cities.

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Speaker 5: But where this happened to me in Cincinnati, you have.

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Speaker 1: A prominent elected official and council that said you deserved it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's so, that's what really has fueled me to

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Speaker 5: speak out and be like, this is not okay. So

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Speaker 5: I have the police chief who afterwards publicly had said

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Speaker 5: that I was a Russian spy, a Russian asset, something

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02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:01,920
Speaker 5: like that. And I led the country, which had a

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Speaker 5: lot of people in uproar, and I was like, I'm

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Speaker 5: I'm an American, I'm a proud Ohio and what is happening?

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Speaker 5: You know? And I had to go into hiding.

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Speaker 1: Even if you were from Russia or had some contact whatever,

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02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 1: does some Russian national deserve less protection? And does does

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Speaker 1: that person deserve a beating from someone randomly just walking

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Speaker 1: up and cole cocking to the point where almost died.

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Speaker 1: And it's a preposterous suggestion.

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Speaker 5: Horrible, horrible. And then after that is when yeah, the

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Speaker 5: president of the city council, I forget her name, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: she publicly said that got to beat down that I deserved,

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Speaker 5: and then well she said, we all, the five of us,

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Speaker 5: got to beat down we deserve. And then next day

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Speaker 5: publicly backed that up and went on an interview and said,

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Speaker 5: I stand by my statement, and I just I just

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02:11:02,280 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 5: don't understand how somebody like that is, even in a

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02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:10,720
Speaker 5: leadership position, encouraging these felons and thugs. Most of the

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02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:16,080
Speaker 5: people that were in this fight were repeat offenders who

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Speaker 5: should have still been in jail for their previous one,

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02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:20,120
Speaker 5: and there were a few of them who were out

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02:11:20,160 --> 02:11:26,240
Speaker 5: on bail from reason activity, and they they're just let

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Speaker 5: out on the streets to continue to attack innocent victims.

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02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:34,760
Speaker 5: And then you have the counsel woman who is backing

2342
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:38,600
Speaker 5: it up, saying, you know, at a boy basically to them,

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02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:40,520
Speaker 5: it's just wild.

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02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:40,800
Speaker 4: To me.

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Speaker 1: Well, fortunately she's not running for reelection, but sadly she

2346
02:11:44,240 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 1: didn't choose to step down to the honorable right thing

2347
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:51,120
Speaker 1: for those offensive words. To this day, I still can't

2348
02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:53,680
Speaker 1: comprehend that an elected official would say something like that,

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02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:56,560
Speaker 1: especially without all the information in and I know the

2350
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Speaker 1: defense attorney keeps saying there's more to it. We haven't

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02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:01,360
Speaker 1: seen all the video and Holly, I don't know if

2352
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:04,840
Speaker 1: you have, but you know, all the information isn't yet

2353
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:07,720
Speaker 1: out of there. Have you have you seen a linear

2354
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:09,760
Speaker 1: progression of this with all the video evidence of the

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Speaker 1: Prosecutor's office has accumulated.

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Speaker 4: I have.

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Speaker 5: I've only seen what is online. Yes, but I you know,

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02:12:19,200 --> 02:12:24,480
Speaker 5: I know that you know, we were innocent victims, sitting

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02:12:24,520 --> 02:12:27,200
Speaker 5: there just waiting for our uber. It wasn't you know

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02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:31,240
Speaker 5: so many people have made up so many stories that

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02:12:31,320 --> 02:12:34,520
Speaker 5: are going around, and you know we started it and

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02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,800
Speaker 5: this and that. We're like we were waiting for our uber,

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02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:39,360
Speaker 5: like we were attacked by a mob. Is it so

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02:12:39,520 --> 02:12:43,800
Speaker 5: hard to believe that, you know that could happen to someone?

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02:12:44,120 --> 02:12:47,920
Speaker 1: Well, Holly, back to the time when the physical part

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02:12:47,920 --> 02:12:50,280
Speaker 1: of it began again, You're standing there waiting for your uber.

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02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,880
Speaker 1: This crowd of people it starts taunting you or whatever.

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02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:56,640
Speaker 1: Do you remember anything that triggered the violence? Was there?

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02:12:56,680 --> 02:12:59,360
Speaker 1: Something that happened was a racial slurd use, not that

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02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:02,360
Speaker 1: it was just, but anything you recall is the moment

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02:13:02,360 --> 02:13:03,840
Speaker 1: in time when the beatings began.

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02:13:05,680 --> 02:13:11,680
Speaker 5: No, so to my knowledge, I do not. I did

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02:13:11,720 --> 02:13:13,160
Speaker 5: not hear the whole night.

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Speaker 2: We were there.

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02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:18,400
Speaker 5: You know, we were we were, there was a mixed crowd,

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02:13:18,480 --> 02:13:21,480
Speaker 5: you know, white and black people, so you know, there

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02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:24,960
Speaker 5: was the inward was never thrown out the whole time

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02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 5: we were there for hours at the dance club, coming outside,

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02:13:29,400 --> 02:13:33,440
Speaker 5: the inward was never used. And you know, there was

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02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:38,400
Speaker 5: a lot of slander towards us, being pretty much we

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02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,760
Speaker 5: were the only white people that were out on the street.

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02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:45,960
Speaker 5: There were slanderer's words, and there were some Russians that

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02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:50,640
Speaker 5: were with us. But you know, and I don't really

2384
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:53,840
Speaker 5: know why that triggered them so much. They kept saying,

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02:13:53,880 --> 02:13:59,880
Speaker 5: you know, get the Russians or whatever, but yeah, nothing.

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02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:00,960
Speaker 4: To justify it. Now.

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02:14:00,960 --> 02:14:06,280
Speaker 5: I know they're during the fight, one of the white guys,

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02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:09,680
Speaker 5: the victims, while he was knocked out and robbed, his

2389
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:13,680
Speaker 5: wallet also was stolen, and so when he jumped up,

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02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:16,880
Speaker 5: he did say the inWORD, which I do not approve of,

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02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:21,080
Speaker 5: Like he said, somebody gets that inward. But that was

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02:14:21,120 --> 02:14:25,440
Speaker 5: the only time I remember hearing the word even being said.

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02:14:26,360 --> 02:14:33,280
Speaker 5: Was way after anything had happened. So no, I mean,

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02:14:33,360 --> 02:14:38,840
Speaker 5: that's what's still so shocking is that, no, we weren't

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02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:42,360
Speaker 5: doing anything to aggravate it or start it or.

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Speaker 10: Any of that.

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Speaker 1: Just so hard to process that this happened in the

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02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:52,080
Speaker 1: city Cincinnati, Holly, I really obviously wish and pray that

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02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:54,160
Speaker 1: it never had happened to you. And I'm glad to

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02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:55,880
Speaker 1: hear that you're doing better. And I'm gonna ask my

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02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:59,200
Speaker 1: listeners to keep keep you in their prayers and wish

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02:14:59,240 --> 02:15:01,840
Speaker 1: for your speedy lan term recovery. Ally, and if you

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02:15:01,880 --> 02:15:04,760
Speaker 1: had to ask something of our elected officials beyond maintaining

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02:15:04,760 --> 02:15:07,400
Speaker 1: a sense of proper decorum and not making ridiculous comments

2405
02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:09,400
Speaker 1: like we talked about, what are you hoping for is

2406
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:10,400
Speaker 1: going to come out of this? What are we going

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02:15:10,440 --> 02:15:12,120
Speaker 1: to learn for it? Is it simply a question of

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02:15:12,240 --> 02:15:16,080
Speaker 1: proper allocation of law enforcement resources?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I absolutely. I just want to know why they

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02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:27,400
Speaker 5: keep turning down any and all help that's thrown at them.

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02:15:26,440 --> 02:15:26,720
Speaker 10: You know.

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02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:30,840
Speaker 5: And I know for a fact that for years now

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02:15:32,600 --> 02:15:36,960
Speaker 5: they've had help that's been offered to them by the state,

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02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:40,920
Speaker 5: by the higher up sheriff's office because they're low on

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02:15:41,240 --> 02:15:44,040
Speaker 5: police officers, And I just want to know, why do

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02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:47,800
Speaker 5: you keep turning it down? Because we are suffering. I

2417
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,840
Speaker 5: might have permanent damage for the rest of my life,

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02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:55,480
Speaker 5: and there are people literally getting killed out there weekly,

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02:15:56,160 --> 02:16:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, and there are people, innocent, people who should

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02:16:01,960 --> 02:16:04,640
Speaker 5: never have to deal with this, and and I just

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02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:07,920
Speaker 5: want to know ever, you know, and I know there's

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02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:12,800
Speaker 5: more police presence now because this was such a national thing,

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02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 5: and you know, thank god, we have amazing people who

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02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:20,879
Speaker 5: have been really backing us up, like you know, Bernie

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02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:27,360
Speaker 5: Marino and Corey Bowman, Christopher Smitherman, you know, Dave Yost.

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02:16:27,440 --> 02:16:29,960
Speaker 5: Like it's just so many people who have come together

2427
02:16:30,400 --> 02:16:35,320
Speaker 5: say enough is enough and now there is more. But

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02:16:35,400 --> 02:16:40,640
Speaker 5: it really had to come with them heavily breathing down

2429
02:16:40,680 --> 02:16:46,120
Speaker 5: them and making it a national news and for them

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02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:50,599
Speaker 5: to finally give in and say, okay, we'll start stepping.

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02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:53,400
Speaker 1: It up two days, two days a month. I'm sure

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02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:55,879
Speaker 1: that you find that time unacceptable when the when the

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02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:58,560
Speaker 1: offer was for a full month regularly, real quick here,

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02:16:58,560 --> 02:17:01,119
Speaker 1: Hollyford Company, I can't thank you enough for spending time

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02:17:01,160 --> 02:17:03,880
Speaker 1: with my listeners and me this morning. Has the mayor

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02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:05,320
Speaker 1: ever reached out to you directly?

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02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:06,760
Speaker 10: No?

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02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:09,240
Speaker 5: No, So the mayor has not reached out, and he

2439
02:17:09,360 --> 02:17:13,360
Speaker 5: has said that it's not his job to reach out

2440
02:17:13,360 --> 02:17:19,400
Speaker 5: to the victim, which I find that very upsetting. I

2441
02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 5: think that at a bare minimal he should, and not

2442
02:17:22,240 --> 02:17:25,119
Speaker 5: only has he not reached out, but he has gone

2443
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:31,000
Speaker 5: on different news outlets to take strolls down Cincinnati where

2444
02:17:31,080 --> 02:17:33,960
Speaker 5: murders are, being happy that you know, murders and attacks,

2445
02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:37,360
Speaker 5: saying it's safe, look at the streets, you know, come

2446
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:40,600
Speaker 5: on down, instead of apologizing and saying we'll do.

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02:17:40,640 --> 02:17:43,200
Speaker 1: Better, I guess it's safe. If you're the mayor of

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02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:46,959
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati, Holly, thank you so much. I

2449
02:17:47,000 --> 02:17:49,520
Speaker 1: appreciate your willingness to come on the program, and I

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02:17:49,560 --> 02:17:51,640
Speaker 1: hope they will listen to your concerns and come up

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02:17:51,680 --> 02:17:53,720
Speaker 1: with a better way to police in downtown Cincinnati so

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Speaker 1: this never happens again. Today's top headlines coming up at

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Speaker 1: the top of.

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Speaker 12: The hour literally moved so fast on.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC, the talkstation.

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Speaker 10: This report is spot