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Speaker 1: joining us Shelby Harris, Ryan Edwards.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Nick?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: How are you guys doing.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of things I want to get to

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Speaker 3: Moss we were talking about a little bit earlier, but

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Speaker 3: It'd be hard for me to look at another position

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Speaker 1: All right, Nick Cosmo or joining his last couple here

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Speaker 1: for you, I wanted to switch over to the Nuggets

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Speaker 1: for just a second. So we got twenty seven games

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Speaker 1: remaining in this final stretch run. I'm sure you're just

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Speaker 1: as stunned as I am about their home record fifteen eleven,

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Speaker 1: But what do you need to see down the stretch

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Speaker 1: the right track.

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Speaker 2: Is it all about? Hell's what?

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Speaker 1: What's what's the marker you're looking for here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well that's that is the big Like, that's the biggest

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Speaker 3: thing that they've They've gone through so much this year

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Speaker 3: and had to deal with so many different lineups based

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Speaker 3: to me, it's just can you get healthy at the

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Speaker 3: Their peak at the end of the year because they've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the fifteen and eleven at home is a little

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Speaker 3: But I just think overall, like, can you get to

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Speaker 2: You have enough of a runway to the.

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Speaker 3: Playoffs with with a largely healthy lineup to feel good

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Speaker 4: My last question here obviously is Nuggets leedgend Doug Mo

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Speaker 4: just passed away eighty seven. Can you press you know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I unfortunately didn't get to be around

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Speaker 2: For a while, you know what, what you.

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Speaker 3: Hear about Doug Mo the most was just his authenticity,

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Speaker 2: Or the early days of the Nuggets franchise.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you talk about a guy that won

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Speaker 3: he he kind of was the Nuggets for so long.

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Speaker 3: But but I think when you talk to people just

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Speaker 3: with with Doug mo there was no there was no

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Speaker 3: way that he played the game, or that he coached

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Speaker 2: Map there, you know during the years that.

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Speaker 1: He coached the team.

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Speaker 3: But but I just think the personality part of it.

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Speaker 3: on and on. So yeah, certainly an icon for it,

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Speaker 3: for that franchise, and you know she will surely be missed.

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Speaker 1: Perfectly said my friend. I always appreciate your insight. I'll

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Speaker 1: see you out there in Indianapolis next week.

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Speaker 2: Man. All right, thanks a lot, guys, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: To Nick Cosmiter with the Athletic, tremendous writer, great reporter,