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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday midday,

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Speaker 1: how about cold Saturday morning. Well, I'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: election time is here. Of course, Tuesday is the election date.

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Speaker 1: People have been voting by mail gosh, I guess in

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Speaker 1: some cases for about thirty days. But the big races

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Speaker 1: here in the City of Cincinnati, of course, is the

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Speaker 1: Mayor's race and the council races. So today I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do things a little bit differently. Today we are

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Speaker 1: going to speak with some of the candidates that are

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Speaker 1: running for City of Cincinnati Council, the ones that I

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Speaker 1: think have the best shot at punching through perhaps. And

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Speaker 1: at ten thirty we're going to talk to Corey Bowman,

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Speaker 1: who is a candidate for mayor, and Billy. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, if ever there was one you would love

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Speaker 1: to see an upset in that race. Of course, Corey

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Speaker 1: running against the incumbent in that matter, in that whole thing, and.

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Speaker 2: Mister Pureval, we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you got a city that's votes three

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Speaker 1: to one Democrat, it's an uphill battle.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this year's different. I mean, it just is.

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Speaker 1: With the downtown beat down, in the situation with the

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Speaker 1: Chief of Police driving it, so we shall see. But

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Speaker 1: at any rate, Liz Keating will lead it off at

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Speaker 1: nine point thirty. At ten o'clock we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: to Steve Gooden, a ten thirty Corey Bowman candidate for mayor,

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Speaker 1: as I said, And at eleven o'clock we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk to Judge Josh Berkowitz, and he is running to

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Speaker 1: keep his seat on the Hamilton County Municipal Court. And

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Speaker 1: we're going to conclude at eleven thirty with Christopher Smitheman.

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Speaker 1: The only problem with all this is I'm probably not

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Speaker 1: going to have time to take calls. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you feel compelled and something that you really want to

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Speaker 1: get off your chest, you know, go ahead and call

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Speaker 1: seven point nine seven thousand, one eight hundred the big

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Speaker 1: one and I'll try to work you in.

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Speaker 2: But no guarantees.

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Speaker 1: Again, I just think it's important that we hear from

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Speaker 1: these candidates on three days out from the election. But

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Speaker 1: at any rate, I wanted to talk to you about

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Speaker 1: something in the rant here, about something I saw this

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Speaker 1: week which just really kind of knocked me on my

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Speaker 1: butt in a good way. Let me explain it.

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Speaker 3: To you.

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Speaker 1: It was about an article in this relatively new I

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Speaker 1: think publication named Semaphore. I've got it open here on

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Speaker 1: my computer, and you know, I looked at it this

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Speaker 1: week and it looks like it's pretty fair right straight

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Speaker 1: down the line as far as reporting. Looks like it's

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Speaker 1: all political stuff. But that's where this article was. That's

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Speaker 1: where I found that. It's a new for profit global

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Speaker 1: news network. They have a really interesting website. As I said,

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Speaker 1: if you want to check it out. This story in

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Speaker 1: Semaphore is getting a lot of play. Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: They reported this week that a group called Welcome, which

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Speaker 1: is being labeled as a centrist Democrat group, which I

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Speaker 1: didn't know there are any more of them left, they consulted.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a poll. This is a study. They consulted

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Speaker 1: with hundreds of thousands of voters in the past six months,

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Speaker 1: and they also spoke with a lot of Democratic legislators.

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Speaker 1: And again, it's more than a poll. It's a comprehensive study.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. The results are shocking, but

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Speaker 1: really shouldn't be, not really that surprising, but man, it

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Speaker 1: just shows you where the Democrat Party is at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. Here's the introduction to the report from

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Speaker 1: this group called Welcome that you can see in Semaphore.

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of paragraphs here. Then we're going to

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Speaker 1: get down to the gritty. Democrats have badly weakened their

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Speaker 1: party with left leaning ideas and rhetoric growing only the

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Speaker 1: party growing only with self described white liberals, while losing

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Speaker 1: ground with other voters. Yeah, you know, normal people. According

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Speaker 1: to a new center left group's report that was shared

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Speaker 1: with Semaphore, the group called Welcome consulted hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of voters over six months for its broad findings, including

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Speaker 1: listen to this one. If there's any bombshell in this

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Speaker 1: or although it really shouldn't be, it's this, seventy percent

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Speaker 1: of voters think the Democratic Party is out of touch.

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Speaker 1: Seventy percent. That's not seventy percent of Republicans. That's not

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of conservatives. That's seventy percent of voters who

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Speaker 2: Is out of touch.

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Speaker 1: Now we all know that it is, but to get

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Speaker 2: Goes on.

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Speaker 1: Most voters, the group found believe the party the Democrat

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Speaker 1: party over prioritizes issues like are you ready protecting the

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Speaker 1: rights of LGBTQ plus you got to put that plus

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Speaker 1: caring about securing the border or lowering the rate of crime. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they looked at the rise in Democrat lawmakers. Now keep

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Speaker 1: in mind this is Democrat lawmakers. They looked at their

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Speaker 1: support for radical legislation. Here's just some examples. In twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: only one percent of Democrat lawmakers supported a study to

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Speaker 1: determine if reparations there it is reparations should be awarded

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Speaker 1: to African Americans. Only one percent in twenty thirteen. Check

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Speaker 1: this out in twenty twenty four, eleven years later, that

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Speaker 1: new number is fifty seven percent. So they go from

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Speaker 1: one percent of Democrat leaders lawmakers that think that we

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Speaker 1: should look at reparations all the way to fifty seven percent.

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Speaker 1: Okay and twenty thirteen. Also twenty thirteen, only four percent

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Speaker 1: burning issue for most of the Democrat party. Four percent

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen supported of Democrat lawmakers supported inmate voting rights.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, that number is now forty one percent.

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Speaker 1: So you can see the way that the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: is going. And support among Democratic lawmakers for an assault weapons.

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Speaker 2: Ban grew from in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: To now actually twenty twenty four, eighty eight percent of

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Speaker 1: Democrat lawmakers favor that. Again, you can see the drift.

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Speaker 1: You can see the drift leftward, drifting so much that

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Speaker 1: they just go over the edge on this thing. In

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Speaker 1: talking about the shift, this report went on to say

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Speaker 1: that the defeat or retirement of some conservative Democrats.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to stop here.

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Speaker 1: I have not seen a conservative Democrat on the national

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Speaker 1: level for god knows how many years. The last one

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Speaker 1: I remember is Scoop Jackson, who was a Democrat senator.

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Speaker 1: I forget what state. He was very conservative on defense

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Speaker 1: give me the name of a Democrat nationally who could

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Speaker 1: be considered a conservative and on the local level, last

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Speaker 1: comes to my mind is somebody who I think is

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Speaker 1: a great man, Dusty Rhodes. You know, since Dusty, they're

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Speaker 1: just non existent. But at any rate, to get back

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Speaker 1: to the report, the defeat or retirement of some conservative

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Speaker 1: Democrats explained some of the shift, but not all of it.

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Speaker 1: The Report Study of National Democratic Party Platforms from the convention.

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Speaker 1: You always have a party platform at the convention. They

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Speaker 1: used to be really important. Not so much anymore. But

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Speaker 1: the report Study of National Democratic Party Platforms from twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve to twenty twenty four found a surge in language

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Speaker 1: about specific racial groups. That's up eight hundred and twenty

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Speaker 1: it is up three hundred and thirty three percent. And

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Speaker 1: about LGBTQ you know what, they didn't put the plus here,

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Speaker 1: And about LGBTQ plus rights up one thousand and forty

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Speaker 1: four percent. Mentions of men fell by sixty three percent,

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Speaker 1: and mentions of fathers by one hundred percent, and mentions

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Speaker 1: of the concept of responsibility.

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Speaker 2: Eighty three percent.

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Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty and twenty twenty four party platform

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Speaker 1: began with listen to this. This just gives you a

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Speaker 1: perfect example where the Democrat Party is. In twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the party platform Democrat Platform began with

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Speaker 1: land acknowledgments for the Native American tribes that have previously

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Speaker 1: inhabited their convention sites. Who the hell cares Native Americans?

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Speaker 1: From everything that I've read, they couldn't care less about

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Speaker 1: this stuff. Only the in the Democrat Party do well.

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Speaker 1: The report kind of winds up by saying those shifts

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Speaker 1: that I just read up there don't win votes. The

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Speaker 1: reports analysis of voter data from a thing called Catalyst,

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Speaker 1: which is a Democrat data firm, showed Democrats losing some

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Speaker 1: ground with non college educated white voters. You think since

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve, but this is even better for us far

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Speaker 1: more with non white voters, meaning African American voters meeting

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Speaker 2: They're losing.

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Speaker 1: The Democrats are losing voters in those two groups and

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Speaker 1: we're gaining. And the closes just to say that those voters,

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Speaker 1: no matter what their education level is, and it ends

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Speaker 1: by saying progressive language and politics meant to win those

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Speaker 1: non white voters simply didn't work.

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Speaker 2: So there you go, kind of in a nutshell.

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party is in the year twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: This is getting down to the nitty gritty, and it's

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Speaker 1: just my opinion. This report is it appears to me

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Speaker 1: to be very well researched and very well reported. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that. I did a pretty deep

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Speaker 1: go over like the proverbial lead balloon among the so

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Speaker 1: called leaders of the Democratic Party, the Chucky Schumers, the Aocs,

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Speaker 1: the Jasmine Crocketts, YadA, YadA, YadA. You think those people

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Speaker 1: are going to embrace this study, There's no way, even

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Speaker 1: if they wanted to, they can't because they are held

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Speaker 1: It is as simple as that. And again, I mean,

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Speaker 1: why is it going to go over like a lead balloon?

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Speaker 1: As we all know, and I think I mentioned this

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Speaker 1: on the first show about twenty six, twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: Years ago, just kidding about eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: What is the main trait of a liberal or liberalism?

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Speaker 1: What is the main trait? If you don't know it

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Speaker 1: by now, I'll tell you again. It's arrogance, absolute unabashed arrogance.

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Speaker 1: They're right, no matter what, will never ever consider another

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Speaker 1: point of view. They're right, and if you don't agree

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Speaker 1: with them, you're canceled, you're out of here. You know,

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Speaker 1: they could never be wrong in their mind and any

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Speaker 1: dissent from this radical narrative will be stomped down. And

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Speaker 1: guess what that only helps us. So wanted to let

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Speaker 1: you know about that study again. It's in the online

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Speaker 1: publication Calledaphore. You can get it pretty easily now. The

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Speaker 1: one thing is I'm playing around with it.

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Speaker 2: This always happens.

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Speaker 1: After a while, something pops up and says, hey, you

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Speaker 1: got one more visit left, and then we're gonna charge you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much it is, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: have to do that, but you know what I might,

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Speaker 1: if it's reasonable, just plunk down a little bit of

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Speaker 1: money because I think it's very good. But it gives

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Speaker 1: you an idea where they're going. They can have all

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Speaker 1: these studies. Carville was a part of this study. They

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Speaker 1: can have all these studies. But if they're not, if

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Speaker 1: the downcats, I'm going to pay attention to it, more

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Speaker 1: power to them. Man, they're running themselves into the ground

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Speaker 1: real quickly.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to let you know this is no surprise here,

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Speaker 1: or shouldn't be. We also learned this week that the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice is finally investigating the sanctified Black Lives

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Speaker 1: Matter organization. They're investigating the outright theft of millions and

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars that Corporate America threw at them Black

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Speaker 1: Lives Matter in the wake of the George Floyd killing,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about that at the time, and Corporate

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Speaker 1: America threw money at them like you wouldn't believe. While

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Speaker 1: they're throwing money at BLM, they're throwing the cops under

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Speaker 2: Blatant, flat out.

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Speaker 1: They know that, and it goes on their statement BLM,

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Speaker 2: Hey, we got to take a break from the news.

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Speaker 1: When we get back, we're going to talk to I

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Speaker 1: Liz Keating. We'll do that when we get back. Mike

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Speaker 1: Tell you what that kind of Rocks.

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Speaker 2: Who is that?

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Speaker 2: I knew that. No, I didn't at any rate. As

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Speaker 1: This morning, we are going to be talking about the

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Speaker 1: Liz Keating. She served on Cincinnati City Council from twenty

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Saturday mid Day. It's great to have you.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something, Liz, and you got into

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Speaker 2: Why did you decide to run again this year?

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Speaker 5: Honestly because I'm just fed up with everything that's going on.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's almost been two years since I have

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Speaker 5: When they reached out about concerns about crime, they weren't

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Speaker 4: And so they're calling me for help.

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Speaker 5: And you shouldn't have to know somebody who knows somebody

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Speaker 4: They are failing.

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Speaker 5: They are not responding to the resident and I am

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Speaker 1: You know, I take it from what you're saying that

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Speaker 2: Is that a fair and accurate statement.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot of things that councils should be doing.

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Speaker 5: You know, there are issues that do impact Cincinnati immigration.

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Speaker 4: In some ways. But if you're just debating.

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Speaker 5: The national level politics of it and policies, that's not

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Speaker 5: You can work on workforce development because we actually have

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Speaker 5: We have money coming in from the Railroad Trust for

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Speaker 5: No one benefits, no one benefits. You have to focus

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And based on what you said, I didn't realize this.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that from that railroad money none of

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Speaker 4: Not none of it. Very little has been spent.

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Speaker 5: They appropriated so much money through paving roads and there

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Speaker 5: deploy the money. That's a huge, huge problem. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you mentioned road paving. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: Well, with respect to snow removal, you can always tell Liz,

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Speaker 1: I live just outside the city now, but you know,

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Speaker 2: But when you enter the city.

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Speaker 1: Of Cincinnati, you can tell you don't need a sign

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Speaker 1: guess kind of personal paving road. Will you, because I

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Speaker 1: have them look in to paving Sunset Avenue as you

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. It's like a battlefield there.

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's just an example of what you're

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I mean, in sometime is one that has come

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, there something I got to ask you this question.

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Speaker 2: I think I know the answer, but I'm going to ask.

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Speaker 1: You what do you feel is keating is the most

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Speaker 4: Right now? It's crime.

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Speaker 5: Crime is what we are hearing the top issue, top

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Speaker 4: But if you're hearing.

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Speaker 5: From voters everywhere in the city that they are concerned

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Speaker 4: A good job.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, and I'm going to ask

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Speaker 1: fairly in this latest thing, the.

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Speaker 2: What I call the downtown beat down? And I guess

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Speaker 2: just overall, do you think she's been treated fairly? Lis Keating?

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Speaker 4: No, this is absolutely terrible.

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Speaker 5: You know what's happening. Your tax dollers are being wasted

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Speaker 5: on this because they asked her to resign. If she

443
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Speaker 5: didn't resign, and then all of a sudden, you have

444
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Speaker 5: to bring in a law firm spend fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: to investigate to be able to figure something out. That

446
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Speaker 5: is a waste of taxpayer money. There are so many

447
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Speaker 5: things in the city that we need to spend money on,

448
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Speaker 5: and we are short on money when it comes to

449
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Speaker 5: the operation side, and you're going to spend the money

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Speaker 5: on trying to find a reason to fire her. Do

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Speaker 5: you get into this mess? And yes, this is a

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Speaker 5: city manager's decision, but you know what, Council plays a

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Speaker 5: role because council appropriates the dollars. It takes two members

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Speaker 5: of council to call a special meeting, and not one

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Speaker 5: of them has teamed up with someone to call a

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Speaker 5: special meeting.

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Speaker 4: They can call a special.

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Speaker 5: Meeting and put the administration on the hot seat and

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Speaker 5: ask questions so that the public can better understand what

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Speaker 5: they're doing and why. And you know what, if counsel

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Speaker 5: disagrees with them at that point, when they actually ask

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Speaker 5: questions and better understand what's going on, they can say,

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Speaker 5: you know what, we don't agree with the fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: We're not going to spend it. We're not going to

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Speaker 5: allow you to spend it. Council can step in and

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Speaker 5: stop this witch hunt right now, and they haven't done it.

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Speaker 5: They're hiding from this, they're not responding to anything, and

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Speaker 5: this is the job of counsel and they're failing right now.

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Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. Let me ask you this. It is a

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Speaker 1: little bit off the cuff, but not really. In the

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Speaker 1: year two thousand and I know you weren't on city

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Speaker 1: council then Issue five that was on the ballot. It

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Speaker 1: was an issue to remove the Chief of Police, the

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Speaker 1: fire chief, and I think several other positions within high

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Speaker 1: positions within city government, to remove civil service protection for

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Speaker 1: those people.

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Speaker 2: And it passed.

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Speaker 1: It was a fifty two to forty eight vote. I

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Speaker 1: was one of the ones working hard to make sure

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Speaker 1: it didn't pass. Well, it did. You're familiar with the issue,

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Speaker 1: I would suppose, Liz, aren't you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, huh, yep?

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Speaker 2: Would you?

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Speaker 5: I think it's a great debate to come back. Oh yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 5: go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, would you do what you

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Speaker 1: could do? I guess it's got to be a vote

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Speaker 1: to change the charter back, but would you do whatever

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Speaker 1: you could do to see that that thing gets on

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Speaker 1: the ballot and then work to pass it because if

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Speaker 1: we had that, it's my humble opinion, none of as

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Speaker 1: garbage would have happened with the chief.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a there's a really strong argument

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Speaker 5: to bring that back and to require and look at

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Speaker 5: it different way, not just the protections that were there before,

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Speaker 5: but the possibility of requiring vote of council and maybe

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Speaker 5: a super majority vote of council to approve the firing,

498
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Speaker 5: because then you have those protections in place, a little

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Speaker 5: bit more balance of power.

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Speaker 4: But what it does is that would give.

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Speaker 5: Our leaders, like the police chief, like the fire chief,

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Speaker 5: maybe even potentially a city manager and others a little

503
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Speaker 5: bit more room to not get caught up in the

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Speaker 5: politics and.

505
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Speaker 4: Actually do their jobs.

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Speaker 5: These professionals, they are experts in their field. Politicians are not,

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Speaker 5: and that gives them so much space to be able

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Speaker 5: to maneuver and make the right decisions, particularly in times

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Speaker 5: of crises, and not worry about the politics a bet

510
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Speaker 5: are at play and potentially losing their jobs. It gives

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Speaker 5: a lot more room, and I think there's a really

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Speaker 5: strong argument for it, and I think it is absolutely

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Speaker 5: worth bringing that debate back and understanding which scenario and

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Speaker 5: if you're going to revisit that, and what's the greatest

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Speaker 5: outcome to bring it back, and council members can do that.

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Speaker 4: Council members can put.

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Speaker 5: Something like that on the ballot with a major or

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Speaker 5: super majority vote, right and it doesn't take a whole

519
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Speaker 5: bunch of signatures to put it on the ballot. So

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Speaker 5: I think that should be one of the top things

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Speaker 5: that Council does when in the new term.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, because you know, obviously I'm old as Mathuselah, but

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Speaker 1: I remember a time when Issue five was not in effect,

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Speaker 1: the so called protections of Issue five were not in effect.

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Speaker 1: And you go back in history the chiefs of police here,

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Speaker 1: Larry Whale and Tom Striker. There is no way on

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Speaker 1: God's green earth that they would have tolerated the abuse

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Speaker 1: that Chief Fiji has had to tolerate because they had

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Speaker 1: that civil service protection and they had to be fired

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Speaker 1: for a reasonable cause. Again, that's just my that's just my.

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Speaker 4: Opinion, it's true.

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Speaker 5: And you know what this is going to end up being.

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Speaker 5: With all these lawsuits with the fire chief, potentially with

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Speaker 5: the police chief, payers are going to have to put

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Speaker 5: the bill. It is going to be a very very

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Speaker 5: hapty bill and we are going to be spending a

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Speaker 5: lot of money that again should be going to actual

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Speaker 5: things that impact residents, and it's going to be settlements

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Speaker 5: because of poor, poor leadership, particularly on the elected official

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Speaker 5: side down the City Hall.

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Speaker 1: You know, and doing my research for this keating, I

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00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: found out that you are the last Republican not just

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati City Council, but the last Republican council member

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Speaker 1: of any of Ohio's six largest cities. And I remember

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Speaker 1: back to your term that you've just finished off, and

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Speaker 1: I always thought, how is she going to do this?

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Speaker 2: And what from what I could see you did?

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Speaker 1: Then? What you say if you're elected, you're going to

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Speaker 1: do now, work with these people so you're not on

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Speaker 1: an island deserted out there if you get back on council.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: And it's so important to have a voice and actually

554
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 5: drive out the debate. I mean, there was many pieces

555
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 5: of legislation that I disagreed with, but I still worked hard.

556
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Speaker 5: I still went in research day, better understood all sides,

557
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Speaker 5: and then made amendments to it so I could make

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Speaker 5: it a little bit better. Even though at the end

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Speaker 5: of the day and the final piece I voted no.

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Speaker 5: I voted it down, but I made a lot of

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Speaker 5: amendments along the way just to make it better, maybe

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Speaker 5: less damaging to the city because I strongly disagreed with something.

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Speaker 4: Things like that are so.

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Speaker 5: Critical right now we only we have one party rule.

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Speaker 5: There's not much debate. You hear a lot of speeches

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Speaker 5: that are you know, this is why I'm voting yes,

567
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Speaker 5: or this is why I'm voting no. But there's no

568
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Speaker 5: there's no debate into why are we even doing this?

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Speaker 5: What problem are we trying to solve? You know, do

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Speaker 5: we have weak points in this legislation, Maybe we should

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Speaker 5: be fixing it. And the other great thing is if

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Speaker 5: you have somebody that is on the other side, that

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Speaker 5: is the Republican Party, is the super majority veto proof

574
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: legislators in the state House, and you have no relationationship

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Speaker 5: down at city Hall with the majority party in the

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Speaker 5: state House.

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Speaker 4: And that was another role that.

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Speaker 5: I played to be able to continue to have strong

579
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Speaker 5: and productive conversations with what's happening in Columbus so they

580
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 5: can better understand the issues happening in urban areas. Because

581
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 5: if there's no representation in these major cities, these economic epicenters,

582
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Speaker 5: it's a problem. Then some of the legislation might not

583
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Speaker 5: be may not be the best thing for these areas,

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Speaker 5: these big cities, and we need that, we need to

585
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Speaker 5: have good conversations, strong relationships that trust there and also

586
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Speaker 5: be able to drive productive debate locally where you know

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Speaker 5: you are in a super minority.

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Speaker 1: Yep, lizy got a minute. We got a minute left.

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Speaker 1: Anything that you want to say.

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Speaker 5: In that minute, Lizinati, it is time for change. We

591
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Speaker 5: have to have people get out to vote. You can

592
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Speaker 5: vote today, you can vote tomorrow and early vote, or

593
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Speaker 5: go vote on election day. We deatherately need people to

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Speaker 5: show up to vote if you want to see something different,

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Speaker 5: have a different direction for a city of Cincinnati. I

596
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: love the city way too much to let it continue

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Speaker 5: the way it is, and I know the rest of

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Speaker 5: you do too. So please please please.

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Speaker 4: Get out to vote.

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Speaker 5: Do not vote all nine and make sure your voice

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Speaker 5: is heard. We've got to have change on city council.

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Speaker 2: Very well, put Liz Keating.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I got a chance to talk to you

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Speaker 1: this morning, and best of luck on Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You have a wonderful day you too, Thank you well.

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Speaker 1: I tell you what, I obviously i'd love to see

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Speaker 1: her back on council. I really would. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: she's got a chance of breaking through, I think, as

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Speaker 1: does the next person we're going to be talking to

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Speaker 1: after the break that's Steve Gooden, also former Cincinnati City

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Speaker 1: Council member. It took an interesting kind of route in

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Speaker 1: doing what he needed to do to revive the Charter Party,

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Speaker 1: which I think is good for this city.

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Speaker 2: Charters running a slate of candidates.

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Speaker 1: And anyway, when we get back, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: to Steve about what he would do if he returns

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Speaker 1: to count Radio News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen

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Speaker 1: an hour two of Saturday Midday talking to the candidates

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Speaker 1: for Cincinnati City Council and Cincinnati Mayor. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what the next guy. I know you're going to recognize him.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking, of course, about our political analyst, Steve good

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Speaker 1: excuse me, legal analysts also politics as well. Steve served

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Speaker 1: on Cincinnati City Council, was appointed twenty twenty to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Unfortunately that time he was not elected. He

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Speaker 1: has the endorsement, in my humble opinion, but the only

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Speaker 1: one that matters these days, of FOP Lodge sixty nine,

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Speaker 1: as does Liz Keating. I should have mentioned that, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 6: Steve.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Saturday Midday in kind of a new

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Speaker 1: role here.

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Speaker 2: Yay, Good morning, Mike, takes it's my pleasure. Hey, let

634
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Speaker 2: me ask you this, Steve, what.

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Speaker 1: Made you decide to run again for Cincinnati City Council

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Speaker 1: knowing that the city is about three one democrat now

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Speaker 1: these days.

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Speaker 3: Well, I got to a point, Mike, where I just

639
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Speaker 3: couldn't take it anymore. You know, I live over in

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Speaker 3: the Clinton Neighborhood, have been involved in the community council

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Speaker 3: for a number of years. There is no more left

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Speaker 3: wing progressive neighborhood in the city than the Clifton Gaslight District.

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Speaker 3: I am a lone conservative over the year, but get

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Speaker 3: along with my neighbors. And this neighborhood was fed up

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Speaker 3: with city council. This neighborhood was fed up with AFTAB

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Speaker 3: because of the uptick in violence and property crimes that

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Speaker 3: we saw, because of the homelessness situation that has developed, particularly.

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Speaker 2: In our park.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't take it anymore, and I couldn't take it anymore.

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Speaker 3: And it occurred to me that if this neighborhood was

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Speaker 3: to stand up and break with this council and break

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Speaker 3: with this mayor, both of whom got, like you know,

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Speaker 3: almost eighty percent of the vote in this neighborhood, then

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Speaker 3: my God, the rest of the city was sped up

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Speaker 3: as well. So I mean, this is this isn't some

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Speaker 3: overnight thing for either for me or for the city.

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Speaker 3: This has been building over the last four years. The

658
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Speaker 3: city is more violent, it is more divided, it is dirtier.

659
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Speaker 3: It is just a harder place to live in than

660
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Speaker 3: it was four years ago. And I don't care if

661
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: you're a Democrat or Republican or communist or whatever you are. Like,

662
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: it's unavoidable and I think everyone's ready for some fresh voices.

663
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Speaker 3: And that's why I really have been pushed to do

664
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Speaker 3: this by people across the political spectrum, and it just

665
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: felt like it was time to step up. I mean,

666
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: I'm also in a position of my life where I'm

667
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: not trying to start some big, grand political career. I

668
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: just want to go down there, as I say, I

669
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: want to bring some grumpy old man energy because I

670
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: really don't care. I'm not really politically correct about it.

671
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: I don't really care what people think. We're not poll

672
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: testing anything that we say or do. We're just saying

673
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 3: this is what the city needs from a common sense standpoint.

674
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: If you'll love it, vote us in. If you don't,

675
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: that's fine. We'll go back to work on Wednesday morning

676
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 3: with a smile on our face, knowing that we tried

677
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: to raise these issues, but we have gotten a tremendous,

678
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: tremendous response and we feel very good about it.

679
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Speaker 1: Well, let me kind of dovetail that with something of

680
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: you and I have talked a little bit about what

681
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Speaker 1: went into and why did you decide? And I know

682
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: it's just not you, but you're the guy that did it.

683
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: Why did you decide to kind of re energize the

684
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: Charter Party, which again I think is a fantastic idea

685
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Speaker 1: given the history of Charter in this city and the

686
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: good things they've done through the years. What made you

687
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: decide to do that?

688
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 7: Well, a couple of things.

689
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Speaker 3: Look, I've always been Look I'm a registered Republican, but

690
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: I've always been involved in the Charter Party for many, many,

691
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: many years, and it was my turn to be chairman

692
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: a couple years ago, and it just seemed to me

693
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: the best vehicle to reach the most people. I mean,

694
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 3: the Charter Party has always been the good Government party.

695
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: It's been around since nineteen twenty four. You know, we're

696
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: the ones that basically the Charter Party created with Murray

697
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: season Good that the actual current form of government that

698
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: we have that I guess still does need to be

699
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: continually tweaked, because you have every season. Good would tell

700
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: you it always has to evolve to deal with the times.

701
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: But they were the anti corruption party. They ended Bosses

702
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: and they took on Boss Cox, they took on what

703
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: was at the time very corrupt single party rule back

704
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: in the twenties, which ironically were Republicans. And as we

705
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 3: looked at city Hall, you've got just you know, we've

706
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: had three corruption based the rest in the last five years.

707
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: You have an all democratic council and a democratic mayor,

708
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 3: a city manager who is clearly not acting independently as

709
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: is required under the charter. And it felt like that

710
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: is the heart of the problem. But we also, as

711
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 3: the charter ticket does not take positions on national issues.

712
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: So and I think that's one of the things that's

713
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 3: always killed common sense candidates for city counts on the

714
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: last couple of cycles, is where they nationalize the issues

715
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Speaker 3: and trying to make it all about Donald Trump or

716
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: the last time it was all about abortion and all

717
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: these things, and we just don't get involved work here

718
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: that the old charter, you know, joke is that there's

719
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Speaker 3: no Republican or Democratic way to fix a pothole. At

720
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Speaker 3: the end of the day, somebody just wants a pothole fixed.

721
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Speaker 3: And we also realize too that the Charter Party has

722
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Speaker 3: a really good history of working with people in the

723
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Speaker 3: black community, whether it be you know, back in the

724
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 3: day Ted Berry who was the first black mayor, Marriott Spencer,

725
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: all the way up through ty Yates and kind of

726
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 3: bridging gaps between Republicans and Democrats. Because we have a mix,

727
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Speaker 3: you know, in our committee and a lot of folks

728
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: in those neighborhoods, we're hearing from a lot of whom

729
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: the black neighborhoods have the same concerns that they haven't Clifton,

730
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: that they have in High Park, that they have in

731
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Speaker 3: the west Wood and Price Hill. And the joke that

732
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 3: we've been saying is we're giving the same speech whether

733
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Speaker 3: we're in Bond Hill or Price Hill, or we're getting

734
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: the same reaction. People just know what it's like not

735
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: to be listened to. So we felt the Charter Party

736
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: was absolutely the right way to go with it, and

737
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Speaker 3: we have all these candidates that are on that ticket

738
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: are all aligned on getting more cops on the street

739
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: and there was a public safety that's too nice. We

740
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: need more police on the street, probably up to three

741
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty more if we're really going to seriously

742
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: police this city the way it needs to be. And

743
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: also we want to get rid of all this kind

744
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: of crazy zoning stuff, including this connected community thing that

745
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: they've done, which will just absolutely got our neighborhoods with

746
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: a bunch of in garbage housing that nobody wants. Yeah,

747
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: so you know, we're aligned on those issues, and it

748
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: just felt like the right way. There's a lot of people,

749
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Speaker 3: you know, who are going to vote for Charter people

750
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: and Democrats and Republicans, and we think that's the way

751
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: this government works best when you got everybody represented, Steve.

752
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this question. I'm asking it

753
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: at every one. I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

754
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: What do you think is the most important issue faeeing

755
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: the city? And if elected, what would you do to

756
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: make that problem go away or make it go away

757
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: as best you can?

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00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: Look, we have a police staffing crisis, like period, full stop.

759
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 3: It's been building for years. Back when when Smitherwin and

760
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: I were on council, we tried to address it by

761
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: taking some of the COVID federal money and putting it

762
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Speaker 3: aside so we could do three D recruit classes that

763
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 3: didn't hold. A council has a spending problem. They spend

764
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 3: money on stupid pet projects. Millions per year on things

765
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 3: like urban gardening and dance lessons and all these things

766
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: that that are almost too ridiculous. When I talk about it,

767
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: people think you must be kidding. I'm not. I mean, really,

768
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 3: is a council member who thinks that we can stop

769
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: gun violence by handing out fruit and vegetables to young

770
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: men who might be I'm not kidding, like like he's

771
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: a really ripe tomato, don't shoot the guy. It's absurd.

772
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: And they've spent millions on this stuff rather than than putting,

773
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: you know, putting that money into into police recruit classes

774
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: and recruiting laterals and getting our staffing levels where they

775
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 3: need to be. I mean, it's an absolute disgrace. You know,

776
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: what's occurred here and what they've allowed to occur. We

777
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: need at least three hundred, maybe four hundred new police

778
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: officers over the next two years if we're even going

779
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 3: to be keep up with the retirements that are going

780
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 3: on and actually do they kind of beat policing that

781
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: we know works. So that is the number one priority.

782
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 3: You cannot have a city, you cannot have a civil society,

783
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: you know, if you don't have an adequate police force.

784
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: And that is our situation here. Our police officers there,

785
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: morales and a toilet. We don't even really have a

786
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: chief right now. Politics is everywhere in the department, the

787
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: rank and file officers, despite their contract, and see how

788
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: the chief is being treated and how everyone and the

789
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: other command staff being treated. It is just a terrible, terrible,

790
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 3: terrible way to run a city and it needs to

791
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: be fixed top to bottom or we're not going to

792
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: have a city to talk about.

793
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I think you just addressed the next question I was

794
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Speaker 1: going to ask if you thought that Chief Fiji had

795
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: been treated fairly. I think clearly i'm hearing your answer

796
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: that would be.

797
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, yes, absolutely. Look, I mean I had big

798
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: issues with Chief Fiji's performance down the stretch. I mean

799
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: I have big issues. I do believe that over time

800
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: should become kind of part of the problem. And my view,

801
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: particularly on this issue about police statistics. I mean, I mean,

802
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: the mayor and council have a gigantic. The biggest problem

803
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: is a credibility problem, because they spent all summer telling

804
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: us we didn't have a real uptick in shootings, we

805
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: weren't really seeing more gun violence. It's all the statistics

806
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: will bear this out. It's really not what it seems.

807
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden they got to a

808
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: point where they couldn't deny it anymore. So they basically

809
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: spent the summer line and the chief was kind of

810
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: part of that. I have to say it, and I

811
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 3: mean I was very critical of her at times, but

812
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: I'm just saying this. And you were in the army too,

813
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: You know how it is to be an officer. This

814
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: isn't how you remove someone. This isn't how you deal

815
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 3: with the change of command. Even if they have a

816
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: case against her, which I mean that convinced they really do.

817
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I think really what she did was implement

818
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: these policies they told her to implement them. When they

819
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: didn't work, they cut her loose. And that's I think

820
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: that's really what happened here. But even if they even

821
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: if she had done something actually wrong, this isn't the

822
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: way you do it. You don't play this out in

823
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: public you have to be mindful of the impact as

824
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Speaker 3: will have on the morale of the rank and file.

825
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: It just shows that these folks have no real experience

826
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 3: in the real world, either in law enforcement, military, or

827
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 3: even just basic business experience. This isn't how you manage

828
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Speaker 3: a large urban police department. So I do feel for her.

829
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: There was no need to humiliate her a treat her

830
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: the way they have, and I'm sorry. As a lawyer,

831
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: I can tell you they're going to end up paying

832
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: it at the end of the day, with taxpayer dollars.

833
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: She's going to get paid. That's the only way this happens,

834
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: otherwise if they don't pay her. I'd love to see

835
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: the trial where she lays out all these private conversations

836
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: she had with our mayor and the chief and the

837
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: council where they talk about these goopy progressive policies that

838
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: just you have almost ruined the city.

839
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Speaker 2: You're right, and I'll tell you what.

840
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: They're going to have to back up the Brins truck

841
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: to city Hall for that settlement, as well as the

842
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: fire chief.

843
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I got to ask you this.

844
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Speaker 1: It's very important to me and I think others and

845
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: I should mention that you did receive the FOP endorsement

846
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: Issue five back in two thousand. You're familiar with it, Hunt,

847
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Speaker 1: you steve what it was.

848
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 7: Yep.

849
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

850
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Speaker 1: Okay, here's my question, if elected, re elected or technically

851
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: I guess not re elected, if you go back to council,

852
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: will you do what you can do to see that

853
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: that either gets back on the ballot or at least

854
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Speaker 1: it is clipped somewhat. Because I'm telling you right now,

855
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to know this. If Issue five did

856
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: not succeed in the year two thousand, we wouldn't be

857
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: going through all this nonsense with the police chief. Will

858
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: you do whatever is in your power to see that

859
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Speaker 1: that is put back on the ballot.

860
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike, absolutely. It either needs to be straight out

861
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: repealed or see significantly reworked. And I mean, just to

862
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: remind your audience, really, what it did was Issue five

863
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: gave the mayor really and the city manager the ability

864
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Speaker 3: to remove, basically remove the police chief from civil service protection.

865
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Speaker 3: You know, the rank and file police officers have a contract,

866
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 3: they have a process. You can't just fire them. And

867
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Speaker 3: that's because police officers face false charges all the time.

868
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Speaker 3: I mean, people claim that they were injured and arrests,

869
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Speaker 3: and they were not. It's just it comes with the job,

870
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 3: so they have to have some protection against false claims.

871
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: But really, what Issue five did is put the police

872
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Speaker 3: chief at the borgency of the political leadership. At the time,

873
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Speaker 3: that was hailed as this big reform that would make

874
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 3: the police department more responsive to the civilians and to voters,

875
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: et cetera. But we also see now it has led

876
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: to a scenario where where you know where political pressure

877
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: can be brought to bear and just to absolutely demoralize

878
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: the police department. So it absolutely needs to be revisited.

879
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: I also believe that at the end of the day, though,

880
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: we cannot talk about this without also talking about the

881
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: city manager. For years, the Charter Party has been saying

882
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: that you ought to be able to remove that that

883
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: the city manager should also be able to be right

884
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: now can be removed. The mayor should be able to

885
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 3: be removed by a majority of council as well. That's

886
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 3: the only way to make the city manager more responsible

887
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: and in the chain of command, really, the city manager

888
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: is the one who is directly over the police chief.

889
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: So I think if we're really going to bring accountability here,

890
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: rather than having the police chiefs more at the mercy

891
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 3: of the politicians is to actually be the city manager

892
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: who should have to answer more directly to council and

893
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: to have some checks and balances and to keep this

894
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 3: sort of nonsensical situation going on. Right now, you can

895
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: tell from the public record that there are backdoor conversations

896
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: going on about personnel matters there in particularly regards to

897
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: the police chief that are just inappropriate, bad business, and

898
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: we need to make that more transparent and open. So

899
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: an Issue five is a big part of that. And

900
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: whether or not the city manager can be fired by

901
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: council is another big part of that piece. They're a puzzle.

902
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Steve, And the city of Cincinnati was

903
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: at least until Issue five, unique in that the chief

904
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: of police, fire chief, and I think some other officials

905
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: had that civil service protection. And I can guarantee you,

906
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been around long enough to know to

907
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: make this statement definitively, had you had a chief striker,

908
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: chief Whalen, that those chiefs did not have to deal

909
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: with the issue of Issue five, you wouldn't have this

910
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: crap that's going on in the city now.

911
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel very confident saying that.

912
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely.

913
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: And I think one of the things that we've lost

914
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: here is that the police chief under that system had

915
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: the independence to push back against the election officials, you know,

916
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: and say, hey, look good it, we're not staff properly.

917
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: Your kind of your lack of enforcement of low level

918
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 3: crimes isn't working. Your friends, mister mayor and council members

919
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: over at the courthouse are letting people out that archives

920
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: arrest within twenty four hours with guns, and they She

921
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: would have an independent chief as the ability to push

922
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: back and raise those issues. I mean, right now, politics

923
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 3: has crept into every last part of the upper achelon

924
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: of that department over there, and I mean, look, there

925
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: were times when Chief Deji was forced into a position

926
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Speaker 3: or she had to provide political cover for the city

927
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 3: manager infin the mayor. And it's an absolute corruption of

928
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 3: our system. It's not the way it's supposed to work.

929
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: She's supposed to be out there for the rank and

930
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: file officers and to protect the public and to really

931
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: talk bluntly about what we need and don't need in

932
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: terms of staffing and resources. And she was not. She

933
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: was part I have to have used to introduce her

934
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: as quote part of their team, and that's not the

935
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: way it's supposed to be. The police chief is supposed

936
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 3: to be with the police in the public.

937
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: Yep, Hey, Steve, Unfortunately we're out of time, but best

938
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: of luck on Tuesday. I think you've put yourself in

939
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: a position to get back on there and we wish

940
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: all the luck in the world.

941
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 7: You know, it feels really good.

942
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 3: We're going over to the Board of Elections to remind

943
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: everyone you can still vote early through tomorrow afternoon at

944
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 3: four pm to come down, and it is kind of cold,

945
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: crappy out, but come on down.

946
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 7: We'll be there all weekend.

947
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Steve, take care, thank you?

948
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, that was Steve Gooden, a charter candidate

949
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: for city council.

950
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: I think he's got a shot at breaking through.

951
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: Even as we've been saying, in a three to one

952
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: Democrat city, I think Steve's got a chance of cracking

953
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: that nine.

954
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: We shall see. Hey, we got to take a break.

955
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: Button we get back, we're going to be talking to

956
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, who I'm sure y'all know is a candidate

957
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: for mayor. I think he's done an incredible job. I

958
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: think he's done an amazing job. We're going to talk

959
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: to him about what he would do if he is

960
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: elected mayor of the City of Cincinnati. We'll do that

961
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: when we get back Mike Allen. Back Mike Allen, Saturday midday,

962
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: moving on with our discussion with candidates for city council,

963
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: our next best candidate for mayor, and we're going to

964
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: talk to Josh Berkewitz next Judge joshsh Berkowitz about his

965
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: real election efforts. But with that, I want to talk

966
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: to Corey Bowman. He is the founding pastor of The

967
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: River Church in Cincinnati, co owner of King's Arms Coffeehouse.

968
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: He's an Ohio native, graduate of the former School of

969
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: Business at Miami, and I should mention before I forget

970
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: he is also FOP endorsed.

971
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: Corey. Thanks so much for checking in with us this morning.

972
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 7: Mike.

973
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 8: Thank you so much to you and your listeners for

974
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 8: having me. I'm sorry for any noise in the background.

975
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 8: Work in the West End today volunteering at Saint Vincent

976
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 8: DePaul for their food panter.

977
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: There you go. The weekend before election is one that

978
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: candidates who are serious are out there working it. And

979
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: I think Corey, you have run an incredible campaign. I

980
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 1: think when it was first announced, a lot of people thought, Hey,

981
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, here's the cannon fodder for our mayor candidate.

982
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: Nothing could be further from the truth.

983
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: You're working it hard on a lot of people's opinion,

984
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: You're talking about the right issues.

985
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: So with that, I wanted to ask you. I know

986
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: I know the.

987
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: Answer to this question, but I'm going to ask you anyway,

988
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: what do you feel is the major issue facing Cincinnati

989
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: City Council and the mayor at this point in time.

990
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 8: Well, I think we've got to eliminate the opinion that

991
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 8: Skyline's better than gold Star, because gold Star is a

992
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 8: clear winner on this thing, and that's what people really

993
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 8: care about.

994
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 7: My gallum.

995
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: You know what, thank you for correcting me.

996
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: What would you say that is the second most important issue.

997
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 8: By the way, I love gold I love the Skyline

998
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 8: as well. I love them both, But I definitely think

999
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 8: that people it's obvious that the issue at hand is

1000
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 8: public safety. Public safety, public safety, that is what people

1001
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 8: care about. That's why our FOP endorsement so vital in

1002
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 8: this because we've had the conversations with cops, We've had

1003
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 8: the conversations with the people that know how to get

1004
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 8: the job done. We know what's happening that is preventing

1005
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 8: that from taking place in our city. And that's what

1006
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 8: we're going to be focusing on as mayor of Cincinnati.

1007
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: If elected, Mayor Corey, what will be the first thing

1008
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: you do? I mean, the mayor's got some power, more

1009
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: than ordinary council members, which was the history for a while,

1010
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: but the mayor's got some clout and got some jews.

1011
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 2: What will be the first thing that you do on

1012
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: the crime issue?

1013
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 8: Well, the first thing is obviously we have to be

1014
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 8: able to work with everybody at City Hall. And so

1015
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 8: going into January, we're going to have a new council

1016
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 8: or whatever the elected council is. That's what we're going

1017
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 8: to be going into to work with. We have to

1018
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 8: be able to assess the city manager's office properly.

1019
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 6: We have to be able to.

1020
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 8: Assess all of the boards and committees to make sure

1021
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 8: that the right people are in and from my perspective,

1022
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 8: this isn't about Republican or Democrats. This is about making

1023
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 8: sure that people are in these positions to have a

1024
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 8: heart for our city and that don't have a heart

1025
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 8: for their own personal agendas. Or their own political careers. Now,

1026
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 8: once we get past that, we've got to do three things.

1027
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 8: We've got to allow the officers to do their job.

1028
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 8: I know that that sounds very simple and overly simplified,

1029
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 8: but the reality of it is that when we see

1030
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 8: the litigation that's coming forth from Chief CG and the

1031
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 8: details of that, that is confirmed that from the top down,

1032
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 8: these officers and even the chief have been not able

1033
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 8: to do their jobs properly as far as enforcing the

1034
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 8: low level crime, the exhalation tactics, and making sure that

1035
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 8: they do things properly. Number Two, we've got to bring

1036
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 8: the complement levels up. We are twenty percent understaff right now.

1037
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 8: That has to be a priority, not in an election year,

1038
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 8: not during the summer. That has to be a priority

1039
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 8: from day one. We have to implement lateral hiring. And

1040
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 8: once the lateral hiring class realizes that we have strong

1041
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 8: leadership in place, we're going to make sure that we

1042
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 8: have the proper staffing in our police department. And then finally,

1043
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 8: we have to put pressure on the judges privately at first,

1044
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 8: and if they do not comply, we have to do

1045
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 8: it publicly and make sure they know we have the

1046
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 8: whole criminals accountable. We have to make sure our streets

1047
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 8: are safe.

1048
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: You know, just as in aside.

1049
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm about ninety percent retired, but I do have a

1050
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: couple of cases left. I was there in the courthouse

1051
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: this week and I couldn't believe it. I mean the

1052
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: lack of cases that not only in the municipal Court

1053
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: but in Common Police Court as well. Cops just aren't

1054
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: being proactive and aggressive like they used to be. When

1055
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: I say that, I mean appropriately proactive and aggressive.

1056
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: What can you do.

1057
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: Corey Bowman as mayor to address that issue? So the

1058
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: cops are out there again like they used to be,

1059
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: being aggressive and being proactive, what do you think you

1060
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: could do as mayor to get that back to where

1061
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: it was.

1062
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: I know you weren't around then, but I was.

1063
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: And it's just amazing the drop in the number of

1064
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: cases in both Common Police and Municipal Court.

1065
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 6: Well.

1066
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 8: Also, let's we have to mention too that the jails

1067
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 8: are empty. We have two hundred beds and empty, and

1068
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 8: then that's not including the two floors that are locked

1069
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 8: down that haven't been used. So a lot of people say, oh,

1070
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 8: the jails are overrun, No they're not.

1071
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 6: But what we have to do.

1072
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 8: It might seem simplified, but when the cops, the officers,

1073
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 8: the police chiefs and everybody knows that they are strong

1074
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 8: leadership in place that will back them up, they will

1075
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 8: enforce the law. Now, this isn't trying to go against

1076
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 8: the collaborative agreement, This isn't trying to go against the

1077
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 8: common sense of accountability and transparency that has to be

1078
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 8: on our officers. But whenever they feel like they're on

1079
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 8: pins and needles with every situation, they can't approach, they

1080
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 8: can't just ask simple questions. They don't feel like the

1081
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 8: city has their back, they don't feel like City Hall

1082
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 8: has their backs. That's going to change from day one

1083
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 8: of our administration, whether it be with public press comptons,

1084
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 8: whether it be with meetings with the entirety of all

1085
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 8: the officers, letting them know that we've got their back,

1086
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 8: and our policies are actually going to back that up

1087
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 8: as well. Our hiring is going to back that up,

1088
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 8: our funding is going to back that up, and our

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Speaker 8: pressure on the courts is going to back that up.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, I'm asking all the council

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Speaker 1: and mayor canidates this, do you think Chief Fiji was

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Speaker 1: given a fair shake by the city administration in all

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Speaker 1: the hubbub of the last I don't know, six weeks

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Speaker 1: or a month or so.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think that you know what we saw

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Speaker 8: over the summer months. There was a lot of people

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Speaker 8: in my comments sections that were telling me to call

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Speaker 8: for the resignation of the firing of Police Chief Fiji.

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Speaker 8: But I told people that the only person I'm calling

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Speaker 8: to be fired is that to have Purvoll on November fourth,

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Speaker 8: and once we get in place there we can actually

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Speaker 8: see what's going on. Our suspicions, which have been confirmed

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Speaker 8: by this litigation from Chief Fiji, is that the chief

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Speaker 8: was actively trying to fight crime in practical ways with

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Speaker 8: pressure on the courts, with the things when it came

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Speaker 8: to enforcing low level crimes, and she got a flat

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Speaker 8: out no from City Hall, from the City manager's office.

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Speaker 8: And when you look at the letters and the messages

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Speaker 8: that have come from the City Manager's office to the

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Speaker 8: police chief, that is not allowing a police chief to

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Speaker 8: do their job. That is a gag order, that is

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Speaker 8: non disclosure agreement, that is fear tactics, and that cannot happen.

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Speaker 8: We need a chief to be able to know that,

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Speaker 8: no matter what, they are going to do their job

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Speaker 8: properly and they're going to have the backing of City Hall.

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Speaker 1: That is so important I think, and I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of other people think that as well. We're also

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Speaker 1: discussing with all the candidates the matter of Issue five

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand. I know you weren't here then, Corey,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure you do know about it. If elected

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Speaker 1: as mayor, would you do everything within the mayor's power

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Speaker 1: to see that that is put back in front of

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Speaker 1: the voters of the City of Cincinnati to reconsider it.

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Speaker 1: Because I've been around long enough Corey Bowman to know

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Speaker 1: that if Issue five had not passed and the Chief

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Speaker 1: of police, and let me mention too, I was reminded

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Speaker 1: by a former chief of police just she texted me

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Speaker 1: not only the chief, the assistant chiefs lost civil service

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Speaker 1: protection when Issue five passed in the year two thousand.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's all a long way of saying, will

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Speaker 1: you do what you can to get that back before

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Speaker 1: the voters.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, so, I think that we have to hear

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Speaker 8: from the voices of the cops. We have to hear

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Speaker 8: from the voices of those that actually have stake in

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Speaker 8: the matter, and when you hear them, that's what I'm

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Speaker 8: hearing right now. I would continue to have more conversations

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Speaker 8: to make sure that we're hearing from every group and

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Speaker 8: every perspective. But what we're hearing right now, based on

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Speaker 8: conversations I'm having right now, the issue five was a

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Speaker 8: major issue that has caused problems for the leadership in

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Speaker 8: CINCINNATIPD and we got to be able to look at that.

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Speaker 8: And if they're a ballot initiative needs to be put

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Speaker 8: out to be able to give people the choice, then

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Speaker 8: we would do everything we can to give people that choice.

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Speaker 2: That's what needs to happen. I'll tell you what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a lot about a lot, but I

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01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: think I know a lot about a little. And when

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Speaker 1: that thing passed, and I think it was fifty two

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Speaker 1: forty eight, I mean it was really close. I said

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Speaker 1: to myself, this is going to be an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 1: It took a while for the disaster to set in,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly has. And I know from talking to

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Speaker 1: Ken Kobert that the FOP is jassed up to get

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Speaker 1: it back on the ballot if that's possible. So I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your comments on that. I wanted to ask you too,

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Speaker 1: did you see I guess it came out yesterday, reported

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Speaker 1: yesterday some new videos of what I call the downtown

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Speaker 1: beatdown the way The Inquirer had their headline how new

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Speaker 1: videos of downtown brawl shake up Cincinnati's mayoral election.

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Speaker 2: First of all, did you see it? If you did,

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Speaker 2: what do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Sorry for the noise in the background here, but I

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Speaker 8: saw it, and I actually called a press conference on

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Speaker 8: forth and Album last night to discuss it. I wanted

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Speaker 8: to make it very clear that, you know, whenever we

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Speaker 8: get to be mayor of Cincinnati next year, one of

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Speaker 8: the biggest things we have to run on is transparency.

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Speaker 7: There's a very big.

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Speaker 8: Difference between telling the public that the details will come

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Speaker 8: out and that the investigation is ongoing, versus purposely with

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Speaker 8: holding information that could diffuse a situation in our city.

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Speaker 8: In the summer months when this fight happened, there was

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Speaker 8: so much division and unrest between groups of people, between

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Speaker 8: people living downtown, even from a racial aspect, and a

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Speaker 8: lot of this stuff could have been diffused if all

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Speaker 8: the information could have been brought forth. Now we're hearing

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Speaker 8: that the mayor didn't even want to see the full footage,

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Speaker 8: and then when the city was asked to present these

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Speaker 8: videos to the media, they were rejected. Now, I sins

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Speaker 8: two weeks, three weeks after the and I understand let

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Speaker 8: the investigators do their job well when it's months afterwards,

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Speaker 8: and this is critical information that could help ease the

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Speaker 8: division and the unrest in our downtown area. But you're

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Speaker 8: allowing that to just be hindered. Then that shows me

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Speaker 8: that in an election year, you're just trying to divide

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Speaker 8: people and you're just trying to get people to be

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Speaker 8: stacked up against each other. As a mayor, I know

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Speaker 8: that everybody sees as a Republican or Democrat. You're not

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Speaker 8: voting for Republican or Democrats with Corey Bowman, You're voting

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Speaker 8: for a Cincinnati And I'm going to.

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Speaker 7: Fight for people that hate me.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to fight for people that live in our city.

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Speaker 8: And that's what we need from city hall. We don't

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Speaker 8: need this partisan battle that copy and paste from national politics.

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Speaker 8: We need people that can have safe streets, clean streets,

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Speaker 8: and prosperous streets. And that's what we're going to focus on.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Hey, we got about two minutes left. Corey Bowman,

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Speaker 1: what would you like to say in those two minutes,

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Speaker 1: as we are three days out from the election.

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Speaker 8: I would say that if if you were a person

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Speaker 8: that has not gotten involved in these elections in the past,

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Speaker 8: because you haven't seen anybody that represents you on the ballot.

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Speaker 8: This year, we have twenty seven strong candidates for council

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Speaker 8: and we have an option for mayor of Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 8: I would encourage people, if you haven't gotten out to

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Speaker 8: vote and these off your elections, get out to vote.

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Speaker 8: And then for those that might be iffy about who

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Speaker 8: to vote for, I would encourage you vote outside your

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Speaker 8: comfort zone and consider that new leadership in place that

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Speaker 8: has a heart for this city and that knows how

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Speaker 8: to surround themselves with the people that have a heart

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Speaker 8: for the city and practically can implement policies that can

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Speaker 8: protect our people. Then vote for Corey Bowman for Mayor

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Speaker 8: of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: We're in the.

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Speaker 8: Final days right now. We've got early voting that's happening

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Speaker 8: today and tomorrow. There's no early voting on Monday, and

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Speaker 8: then Tuesday the polls are open. This is one of

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Speaker 8: the most critical elections in the history of our city

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Speaker 8: and everybody's got to participate.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Corey.

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Speaker 1: One really appreciates you taking time out from your very

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Speaker 1: busy day to talk to us about all this and

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Speaker 1: good luck on Tuesday.

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Speaker 8: Hey, we're meeting at Pryce Hill Chili at one pm

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Speaker 8: today to go drop literature. If anybody wants to meet

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Speaker 8: us there.

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Speaker 1: There you go, Thanks Coreyell, Okay, all right, that was

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, candidate for mayor. You know I should have

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Speaker 1: told him to price shll chili. I put them in

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Speaker 1: the top three of chile in the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: But hey, that's just me. Seriously, though, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: When he was announced as a candidate, all that well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, he'll make a name for himself and

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Speaker 1: maybe run for counsel at some point.

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Speaker 2: I completely turn that around. He has done an amazing

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Speaker 2: job of articulating the issues that I think people in

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Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati are talking about. Again, you got

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Speaker 2: a three to one voting advantage for Democrats in the

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Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. But this is a.

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Speaker 1: Different kind of election, this is a different kind of year.

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Speaker 1: I think Corey's got a shot at breaking through, and man,

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01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: how that would improve this city. Hey, we got to

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01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: take a break, but when we get back, we're going

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Speaker 1: to switch gears a little bit and talk judicial with

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Speaker 1: Judge Josh Berkowitz. He's of the Hamilton County Municipal Court.

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Speaker 1: He's up for election on Tuesday as well. We'll do

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Speaker 1: that when we get back. Mike Allen, Saturday Midday.

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Speaker 2: News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Mike Allen with hour three, which is the third and

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Speaker 1: final hour of Saturday Midday, going to do a little

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Speaker 1: segue here. Been talking about mayor and council all morning,

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Speaker 1: but we're want to talk about Municipal Court District four

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Speaker 1: and Judge Josh Berkowitz is the judge in that position,

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Speaker 1: and he has been since two thousand and fifteen, ten

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Speaker 1: years experience as a municipal court judge, and I can

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Speaker 1: tell you over that ten years, I've appeared before him

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Speaker 1: any number of times representing clients and he is incredibly

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Speaker 1: fair and that's all you can ask for out of

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Speaker 1: a judge. He was the former law director of the

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Speaker 1: City in Norwood, an assistant Hamilton County and Franklin County prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: Judge. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Mike, Thanks for having me on, Hey.

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Speaker 1: Can you briefly explain your judicial district and how the

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Speaker 1: districts work. I don't want to take a lot of

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Speaker 1: your time, but I don't think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: understand that it's not, and it hasn't been for a

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Speaker 1: long time, a county wide.

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Speaker 9: Election, right, So, municipal cory in Hamilton County are we.

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Speaker 7: Have fourteen judges.

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Speaker 9: We take cases from all over Hamilton County, but we

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Speaker 9: run in districts, seven geographical districts. There's two judges elected

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Speaker 9: from each district. My district is kind of the southeast

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Speaker 9: of the county. So if you imagine a map, Norwoods

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Speaker 9: right in the middle, and you move east from there

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Speaker 9: through kind of the east side of Cincinnati, Oakley, Hyde Park,

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Speaker 9: Mount Lookout, Mount Washington, and then all of Anderson Township, Marymont, Newtown,

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Speaker 9: kind of the east end along Kellogg and the Ohio

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Speaker 9: River there, kind of bending into downtown.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing that, and in your opinion the

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Speaker 1: importance of municipal court. I've heard it referred to as

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Speaker 1: the McDonald's of the justice system, not in a negative right,

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Speaker 1: in a positive way, because you all got to deal

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Speaker 1: with everything and it's the court that most citizens I

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Speaker 1: think get their impressions of the judicial system.

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Speaker 2: Would you have anything to add with that or do

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Speaker 2: you agree with it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I mean we are the people's court. This is

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Speaker 9: a really and this is a really exciting moment. You know,

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Speaker 9: here we are days before the election and this year,

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Speaker 9: I mean municipal court. You can't overstate the importance to

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Speaker 9: public safety.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 9: Public safety is absolutely on the ballot right next to

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Speaker 9: me on Tuesday, and that's why this race is really critical,

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Speaker 9: critically important. The contrast could not be more stark between

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Speaker 9: myself and my record over ten years as a judge

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Speaker 9: and as you mentioned, eight years as an assistant prosecutor

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Speaker 9: in two different counties, and my opponent, who is absolutely

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Speaker 9: part of the progressive political left. And that's what they

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Speaker 9: want to bring to the court or more of it,

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Speaker 9: and no doubt, no surprise, they don't want.

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Speaker 7: To talk about public safety.

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Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's just not a priority. That's not

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Speaker 9: what you're seeing them talk about. Her supporters, the people

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Speaker 9: who put who put this candidate up against me. They

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Speaker 9: want to hear and talk about anything but public safety,

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Speaker 9: and that that shouldn't surprise anybody, because the reality is, uh,

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Speaker 9: that progressive kind of political and judicial philosophy, you know,

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Speaker 9: it now dominates the courthouse and the criminal justice.

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Speaker 7: System, as you know, Mike.

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Speaker 9: Uh, They've got the prosecutor, They've got the sheriff, they've

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Speaker 9: got a majority of the Common Pleas Court, the entire

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Speaker 9: Court of Appeals, they've got you know, Cincinnati police leadership and.

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Speaker 7: Meaning city Hall.

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Speaker 9: Uh, they've got the Public Defender's office, and the appeals court.

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Speaker 9: The municipal court has really been kind of the last

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Speaker 9: hold out there where we have judges uh, such as myself.

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Speaker 9: You know, my record has been consistent.

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Speaker 7: It's equal justice for all.

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Speaker 9: I don't buy into uh these these term the terminology

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Speaker 9: that you hear that sounds packaged up real real nights

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Speaker 9: like uh, smart justice. I mean, who would be opposed

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Speaker 9: to smart justice or you know, restorative justice. But uh,

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Speaker 9: you know when you when you kind of break it

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Speaker 9: down just a little bit and scratch just below the surface,

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Speaker 9: you figure out real quick that that kind of terminology

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Speaker 9: is just the same old kind of social justice replay

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Speaker 9: that we've seen in this community and around the country

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Speaker 9: kind of percolate up through colleges and law schools, and

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Speaker 9: now it's in the court system and it's been a

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Speaker 9: disaster everywhere.

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Speaker 7: So specifically, what I'm.

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Speaker 9: Talking about are things like no cash bail, which has

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Speaker 9: created the revolving door.

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Speaker 7: At the jail that you're familiar with.

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Speaker 9: We're talking about defunding the police, and people say, well,

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01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 9: defund the police. That never came to Cincinnati or you

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 9: know as well as I do, and Ken Kober will

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 9: tell you Cincinnati Police is one hundred and forty officers

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Speaker 9: below where their contract says that they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 9: When you're one hundred and forty officers, and that's an improvement,

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Speaker 9: by the way, there was two hundred officers.

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Speaker 7: Earlier in the year.

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Speaker 9: One hundred and forty officers below where the contract says

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Speaker 9: they should be. That's defund the police. That means you're

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Speaker 9: not devoting the resources necessary to fully staff your law enforcement.

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Speaker 9: You know, the when you talk about smart justice or

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Speaker 9: restorative justice, Well that's the two or three hundred empty

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Speaker 9: beds at the Hamilt's County Justice Center and it's been.

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Speaker 7: That way for five years. Judgment policies are year years

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Speaker 7: in the making.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I mentioned this before. I'm about

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Speaker 1: ninety percent retired. I've got two cases left. I was

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Speaker 1: there at the courthouse this week. I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 1: It was like a damn ghost town. Not just unicourt

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Speaker 1: courtrooms because I got into a couple of them, but

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Speaker 1: common pleas as well. It's stunning how the cases have dropped.

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Speaker 1: And as you just pointed out and others have said,

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Speaker 1: there's plenty of room at the end so to speak

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Speaker 1: at the Justice center. How do you explain that? And

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Speaker 1: I know you got to be careful what you say

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Speaker 1: as a judge, but is there anything you would have

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Speaker 1: to offer on that point?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, there's no question there's been these

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Speaker 9: changes in philosophy from the bench in terms of bond

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Speaker 9: setting and in terms of sentencing, both in our court

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Speaker 9: and the Common Police Court.

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Speaker 7: And there's been.

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Speaker 9: Major changes in enforcement, particularly at City Hall. I mean

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Speaker 9: there's no question that they have, and they've essentially acknowledged

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Speaker 9: as much recently that they were telling officers to reduce

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Speaker 9: the number of arrests for what they call minor offenses.

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Speaker 9: They changed the way that they wanted officers to enforce

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Speaker 9: the law to be less proactive, to be less and

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Speaker 9: to be more reactive. More responding to calls for assistance

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Speaker 9: and less proactively enforced the law, whether you're talking about

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Speaker 9: traffic law, whether you're talking about you know, going after

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Speaker 9: illegal drugs or illegal guns, or trying to get at

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Speaker 9: the people who are actually responsible for the lion's share

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Speaker 9: of the violence in our community. And and and in

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Speaker 9: replacement of all that, you know, you hear this again.

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Speaker 9: You hear this flowery language like root causes, and I

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01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 9: hear that from my opponent and her supporters, uh that, well,

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Speaker 9: we need to address the root.

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Speaker 7: Causes all this.

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Speaker 9: When you hear somebody talk to you about root causes,

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Speaker 9: you better hold on to your wallet, Mike, because the

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Speaker 9: reality is that what that translates to is absolutely no

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Speaker 9: one will be held accountable for criminal conduct, and you're

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Speaker 9: gonna pay for it in the form of taxes going

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Speaker 9: to all these uh, all these treatment providers, all these

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Speaker 9: service providers. You know, they're gonna they're gonna make money

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Speaker 9: off of the situation, and no one's gonna be held accountable.

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Speaker 9: And who gets entirely forgotten in that situation the victims

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Speaker 9: of crime, yep, absolutely ignore. You're not going to hear

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Speaker 9: anything about the victims of crime from the people who

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Speaker 9: promote this progressive agenda.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, judge, We've got about four

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Speaker 1: minutes left.

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Speaker 2: We got the election in just a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to make a closing argument, so to speak,

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: in those about four minutes about what you want to

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Speaker 1: do if and when you're reelected, which I hope and

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Speaker 1: pray that you are.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I mean, Mike, I've been consistent as a judge and

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Speaker 9: before that as a prosecutor.

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Speaker 7: Public safety has always.

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Speaker 2: Been a priority of my career.

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Speaker 7: And it should be.

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Speaker 9: I mean it should be when you take the bench.

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Speaker 9: We have a direct impact through things like bond setting.

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Speaker 9: You know, the opposition would have you believe that municipal

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01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,879
Speaker 9: court does nothing, but you know, jaywalking and littering tickets.

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's really ridiculous.

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Speaker 9: We set bonds on more than a thousand cases every week.

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Speaker 7: And when you have judges.

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Speaker 9: Who bring a political agenda to that process and they're

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01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 9: not just applying the law as it's written, and they're

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Speaker 9: not treating victims with the seriousness that these cases demand,

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Speaker 9: then you get absurd results.

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Speaker 7: And that's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 9: When I do my job correctly, and I'm proud of

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Speaker 9: my record over the last ten years. When we do

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Speaker 9: our job correctly as judges, we have the opportunity to

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Speaker 9: deter criminal behavior. I mean, you don't hear about that,

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01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 9: but jail deters criminal behavior. There are people who have

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01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 9: come back to see me, who have thanked me, who

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 9: have said that they didn't want to go back to jail,

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01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 9: and so they got sober, so they got a job,

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01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 9: so they turn their lives around.

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01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:50,839
Speaker 7: That happens.

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 9: It happens more than anybody in the media or in

1440
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 9: politics would want to believe or want you to believe.

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01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 9: Jail's incentive advised people to get help, to get to

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 9: get treatment. We have an opportunity to intervene directly to

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 9: disrupt cycles of violence and cycles of abuse and trauma.

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Speaker 7: I mean, these are important opportunities.

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Speaker 9: And we also show victims and witnesses that our system works,

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01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 9: that it's functional, that it's fair, that they have a

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01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 9: real opportunity to get justice. And you know, the flip

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01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 9: side of that is when people see the revolving door

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 9: and they see no cash bail, and they see that

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01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 9: there's not police in their neighborhoods and that people aren't

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01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 9: being held accountable. You know, the message gets sent real

1452
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 9: quickly that there's no consequences for criminal misbehavior, for criminal

1453
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 9: conduct and just anti social behavior in general. So we

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01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 9: have a strong we have an opportunity to send a

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 9: really strong message not just to all the judges, to

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Speaker 9: all those offices that I mentioned, that this community expects

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01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 9: and demands that public safety be treated as the priority

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01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 9: that it is to everyone.

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01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 7: This is not a you know, it's.

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Speaker 9: Not one neighborhood out of another, or you know, a

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Speaker 9: wealthy neighborhood thing uh uh Indian Hill or Hyde Park.

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01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 9: I mean, this is across the county. I really believe

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01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 9: that people are fed up with this. People who live,

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 9: especially in high crime neighborhoods, they want to see some accountability.

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01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 9: They want they want to they know who the dangerous

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 9: people are and they want them held accountable and taking

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01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 9: off the streets.

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: People who want to get involved.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is a tremendous opportunity the last three days,

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Speaker 9: uh to get involved. And you can do that right now.

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01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 9: You can go to keep Judge Berkowitz dot com. You

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01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 9: can sign up to help on election day, you can donate,

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01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 9: you can share with your friends. Don't ever assume that

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01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 9: people know this stuff or people have an opinion. A

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:58,839
Speaker 9: lot of people are going to show up on election

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01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,200
Speaker 9: day and they have and they really don't know where

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 9: I stand or where my opponent stands. The ballot doesn't

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 9: tell them anything about party affiliation. It doesn't tell them

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01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 9: anything that I'm the judge or the incumbent, and that

1481
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 9: my opponent has never held elective office before. It doesn't

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01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 9: tell them anything about you know, who's endorsed me or

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01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 9: who's endorsed my opponent. So we've got to reach those

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01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 9: folks ahead of time. And when you send a text

1485
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 9: message or an email and you link my website or

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01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 9: my YouTube video, that goes a tremendously long way towards

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01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 9: getting that message across. This will be a low turnout election.

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01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 9: We know that, and so every single vote takes takes

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01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 9: a tremendous amount of significance.

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Speaker 1: All right, Judge, I really appreciate you coming on. I

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 1: know how busy you are this weekend, and best of

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01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: luck on Tuesday.

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 7: Thanks Mike. I really appreciate your time. This is this

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01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 7: is exciting.

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01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 9: We're going to get it done, and I really appreciate

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 9: your time, my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, your honor. All right, that was Judge Josh Berkowitz.

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Speaker 1: And again I can only say what my experience has been,

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01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: and he's been an incredibly fair judge, and I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know that you can say anything more.

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 1: Hey, we got to take a short break, but we

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Speaker 1: will be back. Mike Allen Saturday Video seven hundred WLW.

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01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in the closing a half hour of Saturday

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01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 1: Midday and batting cleanup today, which I think is appropriate,

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01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:35,759
Speaker 1: is Christopher Smitheman. Christopher served on council. He also served

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,839
Speaker 1: when he was on Council on the Law and Public

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01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: Safety Committee. I think that's going to serve him well

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01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: as he goes back to Cincinnati City Council. Has a

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01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: Master's in Counseling from Bowling Green, Bachelor's and Criminal Justice

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01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: in the Ohio State University. And he's very well versed

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01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: on crime and the crime issues. And he's one heck

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01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: of a financial advisor. I will add last thing I

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01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: want to say before I turn it over to Christopher.

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Speaker 1: He is enthusiastically endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police. Christophers,

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,760
Speaker 1: thanks for taking time out of what I know is

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01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: a busy day for you today.

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Speaker 6: Mike Allen, Thank you so much for allowing me to

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01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 6: be on These are what we would call in your

1519
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 6: space as a lawyer clothing argument.

1520
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 10: Yes, and the jury is in the box, and we

1521
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 10: hope that they've been listening to all of the evidence

1522
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 10: that we've been putting in front of them, that we

1523
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 10: can make a change in the city and that things

1524
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 10: are not on the right track.

1525
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 6: And so I think we've presented a pretty good case

1526
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 6: for citizens and it's now time for them to show

1527
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 6: up and vote. You know, my concern is that voter

1528
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 6: turnout is low. There's apathy out there. You know, I'm

1529
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 6: dropping in Camp Washington today as an example, and we're

1530
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 6: just trying to encourage people to participate in the political process.

1531
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 6: Because all fifty two neighborhoods, we're all one year. This

1532
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 6: is one Cincinnati to our regional partners, you know, the

1533
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 6: core is everything. So we want people to come to

1534
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 6: the air and off and we want them to come

1535
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 6: down to Jeff Rubi's. We want them to come to

1536
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 6: the banks and enjoy the the you know, the Bengals

1537
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 6: and Reds games and FC. There's so much going on

1538
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 6: in our city. But if crime continues to hit in

1539
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 6: the direction it is heading in. Our partners will not

1540
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 6: feel safe. Capital we're talking investment dollars will be deployed

1541
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 6: other places because there are other options. They can go

1542
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 6: right over across the bridge. They can go to Indiana

1543
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 6: as an example, they can go to Chicago, they can

1544
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 6: go to Florida if they want to. So if we

1545
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 6: don't turn things around to our city residents, money will

1546
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 6: not come here, development will not happen, and we will

1547
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 6: hit in that track and start looking like Shiticgo, which

1548
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 6: I have no desire to look like Chicago. But how

1549
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 6: do you think Chicago got the way it was? It

1550
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 6: was incremental. It wasn't just overnight, so it was an

1551
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 6: incremental process over time where crime got out of control,

1552
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 6: the criminals started running things, and people began the flight,

1553
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 6: move out of the city, move out into the suburbs.

1554
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 6: We don't want to have that happen. We've done a

1555
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 6: great job turning things around places like OTR in the Mohawk.

1556
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 6: We want to make sure we continue to have that

1557
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,799
Speaker 6: kind of investment in our core. Now that's not saying

1558
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 6: that our other fifty one neighborhood's like a bond Hill

1559
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 6: who was very concerned about low income housing. That has

1560
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 6: been placed there that's impacting their equity and their homes

1561
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 6: where they've been investing lots of money, and they're very

1562
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 6: concerned about what's happening there, or what's happening in Evingston,

1563
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 6: or what happened in Hyde Park and Mount Lookout, or

1564
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 6: what's happening in Camp where North Side. You know, the

1565
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 6: housing has gotten so expensive that people are now moving

1566
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:10,440
Speaker 6: into the Camp and that neighborhood is having a transformative

1567
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 6: time right now. My point is that Cincinnati, whether it's

1568
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 6: Mount Washington, whether it's California, whether it's Columbia Tusculum, we

1569
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 6: could turn things around, but we cannot allow our core

1570
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 6: to fall. We can't have people shooting our Fountain Square,

1571
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 6: shooting off of Fountain Square. We can't have youth that

1572
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 6: are thirteen and fourteen carrying guns on the banks. We

1573
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 6: put our lot. I put a lot of time and

1574
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 6: energy in the creation of the door. I don't want

1575
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 6: this to implode because parents can't keep control of their kids.

1576
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 6: We need our cops. I've been listening to your show,

1577
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 6: Mike Allen. Look, we clearly have attrition. We've got two

1578
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 6: hundred cops in Drops. We know that that's going to

1579
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 6: continue to accelerate. One of the things you'll see me

1580
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 6: do is go in and reassure those cops that are

1581
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 6: thinking about retiring that I have their back and that

1582
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 6: we need them, and that we need them to train

1583
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 6: the new cops that we are hiring, because that institutional

1584
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 6: memory is so important when those young cops come out

1585
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 6: of training and they're in that six month probation, we

1586
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,760
Speaker 6: don't want to lose all that institutional memory. So you'll

1587
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 6: see me going to roll calls. You'll see me doing

1588
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 6: our ride along. You'll see me talking to the FOP

1589
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 6: and the police chief, trying to write the ship and

1590
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 6: send the message to our officers and our firefighters that

1591
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 6: when things are bad, I have their back. When things

1592
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 6: are good, they're back, and that we need them. If

1593
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 6: we don't get a hold of crime, none of these

1594
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 6: things that we're talking about matter.

1595
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Mike Allas, you're so right, and you're also so right,

1596
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 1: Christopher in saying that we've got to protect the core.

1597
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: I live downtown for about twelve years, and it's been

1598
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: a while. It's even better now. What we have down

1599
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: there and on the riverfront is it's amazing. It's like

1600
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: no other city in this country and we're in danger

1601
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: of losing it if we still have the issue of

1602
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: crime that's persistent. And I think if you are elected

1603
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: to council, you can be the point person on that.

1604
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully you get some more down there that

1605
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: will be with you and other like minded people. But

1606
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: I guess we'll have to see on that. I think Christopher,

1607
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: being honest, of all the non incumbents running, based on

1608
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 1: your background and based on your grasp of the crime issue,

1609
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 1: you have the best shot of getting back on counsel.

1610
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: That's just my opinion, it's also the opinion of many others.

1611
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 6: Well. I appreciate that, Mike Allen, and I'll tell everybody listening. Look,

1612
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 6: we have a great opportunity here and I do politics

1613
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 6: and the love for our city. When I say our city,

1614
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 6: I'm talking Mike Allen, all your listening audience, and anybody

1615
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 6: that lives in our core, in our region. And the

1616
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 6: reason I say, look, politics can be selfish, but I'm

1617
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 6: just not a selfish politician. That's why I talk about

1618
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 6: a Liz Keating who's running for city council. Hey, I

1619
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 6: don't want to just get elected. I want I want

1620
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 6: a group of people to get elected. So somebody like

1621
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 6: Liz Keating, great choice. I think a good is a

1622
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 6: great choice. Great lawyer, great depth, smart, cares about the city,

1623
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 6: lives in Clifton. Another great person. I really like a

1624
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 6: Linda Matthews. Nice person, you know, solid, understands not just

1625
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 6: politics but the running of the city. What about a

1626
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,679
Speaker 6: Dondrey House, blue dog Democrat from the west side of town,

1627
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 6: you know, very interested in housing and what's happening in

1628
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 6: our in our housing stock, across our fifty two neighborhoods.

1629
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 6: Great person to have on council, and the blue dog

1630
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 6: Democrats are dying in the party. And that's why he's

1631
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 6: a good candidate to get elected, because he's that He's

1632
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 6: Tom Lucan, that Charlie Lucan, that John Cranley out there

1633
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 6: that's so important to the political process. So I talk

1634
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 6: about a Dondriouse. What about a Lakita Cole. You know,

1635
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 6: she's a Democrat there, she's usually endorsed by the Democratic Party,

1636
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 6: but they've abandoned her. I would say that a Latria

1637
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 6: Cole could say the Democratic Party left her. She didn't

1638
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 6: leave the Democratic Party, but she's out there working incredibly hard.

1639
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 6: Somebody to really look at who could easily take one

1640
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 6: of these seats, because you got four or five members

1641
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 6: of council that people don't even know who they are.

1642
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 6: They're not out here communicating, they're not out here knocking

1643
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 6: on doors. And even right now is his video showing

1644
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 6: the corruption at the highest levels. Please listen to what

1645
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 6: I'm saying. I served on council. There is no way

1646
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 6: that a video like that exists, and I don't know

1647
01:28:50,240 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 6: about it. I'm gonna say that again. There is no

1648
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 6: way a video exists that three c DC has that

1649
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 6: was just released and I don't know about it. And

1650
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 6: so there was a motivation here, I think, to divide

1651
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 6: the electric racially different hard for people to hear. They

1652
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 6: wanted African Americans to go in and be emotionally charged

1653
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 6: and believe in some way they have been slighted. And

1654
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 6: so the way Democrats tend to do that is they

1655
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 6: divide us by race. And we've got to stop this madness.

1656
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 3: You know.

1657
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 6: That's why I run as an independent because so often

1658
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 6: the answers for most people are in the middle. They're

1659
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 6: not on either side. And this is that sick part

1660
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 6: where we have nine members of council who are democrats,

1661
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 6: a democratic mayor, a democratic administration, and all of them

1662
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 6: were hiding the football like Charlie Brown. I'll say this

1663
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 6: to you so clearly. I went to the School for

1664
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 6: Creative and Performing Arts. This mayor and this council collectively,

1665
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 6: not individually, but collectively collectively, remind me of the Scarecrow,

1666
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 6: no Brain. They remind me of the ten Man, no Heart,

1667
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 6: They remind me of the of the Lion, no courage.

1668
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 6: They're the greatest trilogy of all. How do you have

1669
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 6: somebody like Sarah Hearinger and her husband Patrick murdered in

1670
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 6: OTR and this mayor doesn't reach out. How do you

1671
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 6: have a Ronda Win where you have Cassandra Winn shot

1672
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,520
Speaker 6: in the back walking down the street in downtown Cincinnati

1673
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 6: at nine or so in the evening. Not only has

1674
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 6: the mayor not reached out, but we haven't even found

1675
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,560
Speaker 6: out who murdered her five children. Roder Winn is suffering

1676
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 6: out here like crazy. My point to you is, we

1677
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 6: have these high profile murders around us, and we have

1678
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 6: a mayor that acts as if he doesn't have a heart.

1679
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 6: We have a council collectively that doesn't have the courage

1680
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 6: to stand up to that bully and tell him, listen,

1681
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 6: you're not going to push us around. We're not going

1682
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 6: to engage in corruption. And we have the right to

1683
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 6: have independent opinions away from what the mayor has both

1684
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,720
Speaker 6: for Corey Bowman, absolutely, people have asked me, why are

1685
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 6: you supporting Corey Bowman. We've got to hit a different direction,

1686
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 6: you know, as an independent, I believe that we I

1687
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 6: don't look at party Mike Allen, I don't look at

1688
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:09,639
Speaker 6: any of this stuff. I'm into what is the best

1689
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 6: for the city of Cincinnati.

1690
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 7: That's it.

1691
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 6: I don't care about anything else. One day I might

1692
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 6: run for mayor. Maybe I don't ever run for mayor, right,

1693
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 6: But the point is I only care about what is

1694
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 6: right for the fifty two neighborhoods in Cincinnati, in our

1695
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 6: core because indian yill places like Mason Right, places where

1696
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 6: we would think about Anderson, those is naming some of

1697
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 6: our surrounding areas. Their community will not drive into our

1698
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 6: core if they don't feel safe and they don't think

1699
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 6: the leadership has it on the ball. That's why I'm

1700
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 6: asking you to vote for Smitherman for City Council. And

1701
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 6: those are my closing arguments to the jury.

1702
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: All right, Christopher, we've got about three and a half

1703
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: minutes here. I wanted you to talk a minute. I

1704
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: have heard that the number that they're the turnout is

1705
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: like ten to fifteen percent, which is incredible, incredibly bad.

1706
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: If you could address that, and if you have any

1707
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: thoughts on how people should vote and what they can

1708
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: do to help you in the closing days of the campaign.

1709
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 2: And you got four weeks.

1710
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 6: We still need yard sign locations, We still need contributions

1711
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 6: to our campaign Smitherman for Cincinnati. They can drop them

1712
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,840
Speaker 6: off at seventeen oh three Deal Road in bond Hill,

1713
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 6: which is where my financial planning practice is located. There's

1714
01:32:32,479 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 6: a twenty four hour box there that they can put

1715
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 6: a check in there. Our number there at seventy five one, three,

1716
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 6: eight eight eight. The apathy that is happening in our city,

1717
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 6: meaning people feel like they are defeated, and we've got

1718
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,160
Speaker 6: to turn that around. And so every vote counts. Because

1719
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 6: the voter turnout is so low fifteen to twenty percent,

1720
01:32:52,479 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 6: that means we knock on ten doors today of registered voters,

1721
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 6: and only two of those houses are coming out. The

1722
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 6: other eight are staying home, and so We're trying to

1723
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,120
Speaker 6: turn that around because there are a lot of traditional voters,

1724
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 6: Mike Allen, and they don't vote during the thirty days.

1725
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 6: They've flagged outside their houses, their families have served in

1726
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 6: the military or in the police department or some way,

1727
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 6: and they feel like, I'm only gonna vote on election day. Well,

1728
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 6: if that's where you're gonna vote, we need you to

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01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:26,080
Speaker 6: show up in heavy numbers on Tuesday between six thirty

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01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 6: and seven point thirty at your local polling location, and

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01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 6: let's see how this thing turns out. Never vote for

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01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,400
Speaker 6: nine people for city council. It's up to nine. I've

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01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,799
Speaker 6: given you a lot of examples today of good people

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01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 6: that are running with good art. I think four or

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01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,600
Speaker 6: five of those. Let me also say Gary Favors is

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01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 6: out there running, good guy. But there are a lot

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01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 6: of good people out there running. Pick four or five

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01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 6: of them and stop there. You're looking just for a majority.

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01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 6: Never vote for nine people for city council. And I

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01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 6: promise you, if people listen to that one tool, we

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01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 6: will absolutely flip city council and and we will absolutely

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Speaker 6: impact what's happening in the Mayor's office.

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Speaker 1: There you go, I'll tell you what wise advice. Christopher.

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01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: We're out of time here, but thank you for being

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01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: so available to us, and good luck on Tuesday. I

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01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: think you've put yourself in a position to get back

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01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 1: on that thing.

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01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 6: Mike. Here's my last promise. When I'm elected on Tuesday night,

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01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 6: you will have the exact same access to me that

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01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 6: you have now in good times and in battle right,

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01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 6: and so I'll make myself available for you to question me,

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01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,839
Speaker 6: question my votes, question my decisions, and question what's happening.

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01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 6: Too many of these elected officials are hiding. And I

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01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 6: also bought those commercials during your show to extending you

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01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:44,760
Speaker 6: the respect that I know that you deserve. And I'm

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01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 6: so thankful the access you've given me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Christopher, really appeace you might Okay, I'll talk

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01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: to you probably before Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: But if I own good luck, Thank you, Rob.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, Christopher Smithman, I'll tell you what man,

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Speaker 1: that young man gets back on council, whether he's got

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01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: Republicans to work with, Charter rights, he's going to make

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01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: an impact in everything, but especially especially in the crime issue,

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01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:15,800
Speaker 1: which is obviously the biggest issue facing us. And you know,

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01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the vote I've never understood that. And

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01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 1: as Christopher said, you don't have to vote for nine.

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Speaker 1: We shall see what happens. Hey, listen, I'm out of time.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank my great producer, Lian Liam Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: who keeps me out of trouble,