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Speaker 4: Ben Gessling joins US now via the Connectico Water Systems Hotline.

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Speaker 4: Vikings been do add what we in the business called

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Speaker 4: a swing offensive tackle.

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Speaker 3: I think we would call this.

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Speaker 4: I feel burned from a year ago hailing all of

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Speaker 4: our of line free agency moves until we find out

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Speaker 4: how many concussions this particular alignment has in his background.

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Speaker 4: But on paper, this looks like a move that, given

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Speaker 4: the injuries at the tackle position, is needed for the Purple.

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Speaker 4: Explain to the listeners who we got and how we

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Speaker 4: got them.

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Speaker 3: I did it again. Let me turn it around the

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Speaker 3: other way. I don't know why the bank isn't working.

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Speaker 3: They we go, that works, Go ahead, there we go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Ryan Vandermark is the swing tackle they signed from

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Speaker 5: the Bills. They had signed him to an offer sheet

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Speaker 5: the Bills would have had the right to match any

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Speaker 5: offer that was there. Vikings get up for about four

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Speaker 5: point two million dollars. The Bills were in a spot

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Speaker 5: They were a little tight against the caps of the

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Speaker 5: Vikings were able to pry him away, a guy that

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Speaker 5: the Bills I think wanted to keep, and this has

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Speaker 5: been a spot they have prioritized, even in years where

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Speaker 5: even if it's not something more catastrophic like what we've

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Speaker 5: So that was the priority here, and they're able to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again we get all kind of tied up

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Speaker 4: that might be a draft and trade combination of things.

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Speaker 5: No doubt. I mean, whether it was that injury or

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of this is you need insurance

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Speaker 4: So is it look at it as Buffalo didn't value

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Speaker 5: Is it something where he takes the chance and says, Okay,

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Speaker 5: was with before the draft out in southern California, working

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Speaker 5: with Tom House, the old Nolan Ryan pitching coach. They

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Speaker 5: worked with Tom Brady for years. I think John Beck,

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Speaker 5: he'll BEYU quarterback, is in that group as well. So

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Speaker 5: he's been working out with those folks this offseason and

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of the work is probably some

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Speaker 5: of the things the Vikings put in that menu, So

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Speaker 5: it will be interesting to see what he looks like

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Speaker 5: when he comes back here in a few weeks. I

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Speaker 5: think they've been fairly clear with him about what they

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Speaker 5: want to see happen, and there's a lot of things

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Speaker 5: that they need to see him do better before you

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Speaker 5: kind of trust him back with the job. So a

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Speaker 5: lot of that work that he's doing right now out

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Speaker 5: in warmer weather, out in a chance where he can

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Speaker 5: be outside every day, I'm sure is kind of trying

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Speaker 5: to tailor his game to where they want it to

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Speaker 5: be enough that they're confident to put him back out there,

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Speaker 5: because he's going to have a lot to prove when

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Speaker 5: he does get back to Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate the time, have a wonderful weekend, and we'll

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Speaker 4: talk next week.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Ben, all right, sal great.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you, Ben Gestling helping us out a little

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Speaker 4: later than usual. We moved some some pieces around today.

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Speaker 4: Leavelle joined at four point thirty and Ben joined. Just

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Speaker 4: wrap things up with him at.

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Speaker 3: Five, Go to go.

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Speaker 4: For women's basketball, they have wrapped up quarter number one.

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Speaker 4: It's been a bit of a struggle for the home

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Speaker 4: standing Gophers. In that game, they are down I believe

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Speaker 4: eleven to ten after one of the offense has been

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Speaker 4: pretty close to non existent in the opening quarter. They've

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Speaker 4: had some difficulty getting on tracked. They are, of course,

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Speaker 4: pretty heavy favorites going in to this game, and there

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Speaker 4: is still obviously a lot of basketball left to be played.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier.

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Speaker 4: Obviously we always prefer that you stay with us, but

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Speaker 4: you do have an option guards he with the play

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Speaker 4: by play call on the Plus, and that again is

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Speaker 4: easily attainable via the iHeart the free free free iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 4: And the beauty of it is actually you can go

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Speaker 4: back and forth between us and that game if you'd like.

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Speaker 4: But we'll try to keep you abreast of developments in

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Speaker 4: that game. I do have it on the big screen

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Speaker 4: here in Studio B and so we'll probably be able to,

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Speaker 4: you know, spend some time on it and see if

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Speaker 4: the indeed the in the second period, if the Gopher

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Speaker 4: women can kind of establish themselves, because they didn't really

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Speaker 4: do much establishing in the opening stanza. In addition, we've

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Speaker 4: got some texts to get to. We've got an ode

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Speaker 4: to a dead guy to get to we've got ode

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Speaker 4: to a dead radio brand to get to as well.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of stuff and we have plenty of

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Speaker 4: time to do it between now and six point thirty

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Speaker 4: Back in just a minute. Yeah, guy notes that Jag

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Speaker 4: on the Gopher broadcast just referred to today as a

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Speaker 4: beautiful Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Is he feeling okay? That's probably just.

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Speaker 4: Him looking ahead assuming that the Gophers will be playing

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Speaker 4: again on Sunday. Struggling start early, seven oh seven to

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Speaker 4: go in the second quarter, and the Gophers are down

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Speaker 4: to Green Bay a thirteen seed, fifteen to fourteen. Gophers

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Speaker 4: shot twenty I believe twenty five percent in the opening quarter.

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Speaker 4: That was their problem offensively, although they've they've heated up slightly.

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Speaker 3: Since then. One could say Battle leads the Gophers.

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Speaker 4: With six points on three for eight from the floor,

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Speaker 4: Sophie Hert two for six, and we'll continue to keep

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Speaker 4: you posted. That game is available to you on KFE

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Speaker 4: and plus via the app ninety six point seven on

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Speaker 4: the FM dial.

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Speaker 3: So we're trying to be fair to everybody. It's an

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Speaker 3: option for you.

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Speaker 4: We'd love to have you stay here and we'll keep

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Speaker 4: you abreast of all of the action as well via

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Speaker 4: the text line I got this story.

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Speaker 3: It intrigues me, though.

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Speaker 4: I I have no background on it, but I'm going

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Speaker 4: to pass it along based on what was written about it.

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Speaker 3: In the Duluth News Tribune dayline.

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Speaker 4: Cloque conflict between parents and Cloq Esco Carlton girls hockey

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Speaker 4: staff has led to the staff's collective resignation. Kennedy Wheats,

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Speaker 4: the Lumberjacks head coach in twenty twenty two, submitted her

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Speaker 4: resignation to the Cloque School Board on March sixteen, following

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Speaker 4: more than a year of tension between the coaching staff

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Speaker 4: and parents, as did her assistance My resignation as a

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Speaker 4: result of ongoing and unresolved issues related to parental conduct

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Speaker 4: within the program.

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Speaker 3: She alleges that parents.

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Speaker 4: Repeatedly interfered with player accountability and coachability end quote, and

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Speaker 4: we're stepping outside their appropriate roles quote within the program structure.

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Speaker 4: The CLOK principal, Steve Battaglia, acknowledged tension between the coaching

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Speaker 4: staff and parents. No doubt that there were some parents

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Speaker 4: who made her in hersistants jobs significantly less than enjoyable,

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Speaker 4: is what Battaglia said in the March seventeen email, The

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Speaker 4: principal said it and it said an anonymous letter was

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Speaker 4: placed on Wheat's vehicle a year ago and a parent

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Speaker 4: confronted the girls hockey girls hockey coaching staff as they

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Speaker 4: left the locker room following a six nil loss to

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Speaker 4: Proctor Hermantown on December sixteenth at Northwood's Federal Credit Union arena.

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Speaker 3: Wheats was on maternity leave at the time.

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Speaker 4: The school worked with arena staff to investigate the letter,

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Speaker 4: but there was no video surveillance in the area where

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Speaker 4: the incident occurred. School administration banned the parents involved in

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Speaker 4: the locker room incident from the arena for the remainder

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Speaker 4: of the twenty twenty five to twenty six season. Incidents

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Speaker 4: like that continued, however, most recent on another anonymous letter

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Speaker 4: was left for Wheats after the conclusion of the season

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Speaker 4: in her mailbox at home. The Wheats says these matters

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Speaker 4: were raised through appropriate channels on multiple occasions. Despite those efforts,

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Speaker 4: the conduct continued without consistent resolution, and as a result,

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Speaker 4: the environment became professionally unsustainable and presented safety concerns that

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Speaker 4: cannot be ignored. The principal, saying, tension can arise between

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Speaker 4: coaches and parents, but the situation with the CEC Girls

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Speaker 4: program is uncommon. Some of the stuff that has gone

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Speaker 4: on rarely happens in high school sports. But Taglia said

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Speaker 4: he hoped that Wheats, also a teacher in the district,

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Speaker 4: felt support from the school administration. They made the school

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Speaker 4: resource officer at Cloque aware of the incidents between parents

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Speaker 4: according to the principle, but he was not aware of

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Speaker 4: any formal police referrals. Partagulary said the district has met

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Speaker 4: with all parents who reached out with concerns about the program.

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Speaker 4: That sounds like a fairly dysfunctional situation all the way around.

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Speaker 4: And I and I and I'd like to have a

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Speaker 4: little bit more information regarding concerns about the program. But

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Speaker 4: it certainly strikes me. And we've talked about this over many,

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Speaker 4: many years, over decades about parental involvement, parental investment and

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Speaker 4: where it goes awry and where it ends up being

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Speaker 4: a very corrosive. You know, I've got some I might

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Speaker 4: just have a family member who's been a coach for

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Speaker 4: a long time and and their stuff and a lot

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Speaker 4: of it stays private. A lot of it, you could

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Speaker 4: say that comes with the territory. If you're going to

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Speaker 4: do that job, you have to know that's part of

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Speaker 4: what you have to deal with. It's not that unusual,

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Speaker 4: but it's I guess how over the line it goes,

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Speaker 4: how out of control it gets, and I I tend

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Speaker 4: to believe that it often is pure luck that it

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Speaker 4: only sometimes takes a single parent who is utterly and

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Speaker 4: completely irrational and over the top to galvanize and maybe

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Speaker 4: even convince others, yeah, you're right, we got to go

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Speaker 4: after this coach that that's what you end up being.

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Speaker 4: If you're a coach, that's what you're kind of prisoner of.

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Speaker 4: There's always going to be some back and forth, and

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Speaker 4: some of it, you know, is it has to be acceptable,

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Speaker 4: There has to be some communication. But in the end,

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Speaker 4: I think it largely depends on whether you have one

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Speaker 4: who's not going to take no for an answer and

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Speaker 4: decides that he or she should be in charge, or

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Speaker 4: he or she is going to continue to push the

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Speaker 4: envelope on this until there's some kind of a resolution.

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Speaker 4: And the sad thing for me is it feels like

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Speaker 4: in this case the terrorists were allowed to win. It's

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Speaker 4: easy for me to say to the head coach, hang in,

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Speaker 4: don't let the terrorists win. But it may have reached

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Speaker 4: a point where she felt like she couldn't handle it

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Speaker 4: any longer and she did not want to mess with it.

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Speaker 4: The sad reality, though, is that when it ends the

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Speaker 4: way it seemingly has ended here, it ends up being

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Speaker 4: energizing for the over the top, irrational, out of control parent.

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Speaker 3: Because they say it worked. See leaving anonymous notes on

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Speaker 3: a windshield? What do we six? What are we doing?

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Speaker 4: If you have issues that go beyond I guess the

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Speaker 4: usual x's and o's and I don't know what the

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Speaker 4: issues were here.

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Speaker 3: You go to authorities, right, and.

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Speaker 4: You leave it up to them, and then ultimately you

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Speaker 4: have to respect whatever the authorities, whatever they decide that

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Speaker 4: there's something worth doing or pursuing or something that there isn't.

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Speaker 4: But we all know them. The parents out there who

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Speaker 4: are not going to take no for an answer. They

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Speaker 4: think they know and they feel like they should have

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Speaker 4: the power to actually have somebody.

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Speaker 3: In this case, it ends up being removed.

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Speaker 4: So that's the sad part about this is that whoever

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Speaker 4: was aggressive, they feel like they won, they were allowed

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Speaker 4: to win, And I don't know how hardly the principle

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Speaker 4: here tried to convince the head coach to stay again, Eventually,

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Speaker 4: it's got to be I don't want to be in

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Speaker 4: the middle of this environment.

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Speaker 3: But what I tend to believe is.

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Speaker 4: That in many stories like this that we've covered over

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Speaker 4: the years, that a lot of it has to do

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Speaker 4: with the whatever the climate is that has been set

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Speaker 4: up by the administration of a given school of what

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Speaker 4: is tolerated and what is not tolerated.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not blaming.

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Speaker 4: The school necessarily in this case because I don't know

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Speaker 4: the details, but I do know there's parents everywhere capable

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Speaker 4: of pushing the envelope.

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Speaker 3: My experience has been.

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Speaker 4: How far it goes and how long it goes on

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Speaker 4: often depends on what message has been conveyed, what tone

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Speaker 4: has been set by the principal athletics director and the

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Speaker 4: coach about what we're going to talk about and what

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Speaker 4: we're not going to talk about, and that we're if

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Speaker 4: there's certain lines we're not going to go down, and

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Speaker 4: if that's not acceptable to you, then maybe you need

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Speaker 4: to take your kid elsewhere to go to some other school.

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Speaker 4: That the envelope tends to get pushed more at places

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Speaker 4: where there's this fear in an administrative sense about setting

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Speaker 4: parameters about what we will accept and what we will

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Speaker 4: not accept. Branch On Bryant Cafe text line is open

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Speaker 4: at six four six eight six. A couple of people

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Speaker 4: are saying that the principal's name, that the g is silent,

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Speaker 4: so it's actually it should be but Batalia rather than Battaglia.

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Speaker 4: So I apologize for that mistake, if indeed that's true.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not here to cast dispersions on the principle,

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Speaker 4: the ad, the coach, anybody. But I do think in

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Speaker 4: many of these cases, what I've tended to learn is

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Speaker 4: this goes back also to issues of.

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Speaker 3: Discipline within schools.

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, they might have an not have anything to

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Speaker 4: do with the athletics department or of given team. Is

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Speaker 4: what's been set in motion, what's the climate that has

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Speaker 4: been set in terms of what will be Because there's

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Speaker 4: always got to be room for communication and discourse. Guess what,

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Speaker 4: At some point it may have to end say this

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Speaker 4: is what we do, this is how we do it,

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Speaker 4: and you have every right to then decide this isn't

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Speaker 4: for you. But we're not going to continue to have

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Speaker 4: this discussion any longer. We've made our case, we've listened

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Speaker 4: to your case. End of story. Now, basically it's time

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Speaker 4: for you to back off and respect exactly what we're doing.

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Speaker 4: Some schools are better at setting up those boundaries than others,

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Speaker 4: and the best chance you have to deal with delusional

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Speaker 4: parents is setting up those boundaries. Sometimes it may not matter,

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Speaker 4: but I think that's a very big, big part of it.

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Speaker 3: Let's get caught up.

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Speaker 4: We'll give you a golden Gopher women's basketball update NCAA

668
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Speaker 4: first Round game at the Barn not too far from

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Speaker 4: our current location. We'll get to some men's Big Dance

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Speaker 4: games as well, and perhaps even get to some text

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Speaker 4: on this controversy when we return.

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Speaker 2: And x now.

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Speaker 4: It's been quite a slog for the goal to Gopher

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Speaker 4: women's basketball team their first round game. Late final seconds

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Speaker 4: of the first half looks like Green Bay is going

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Speaker 4: to try to hold or can hold for the final shot.

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Speaker 4: Green Bay is up twenty seven to twenty six and

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Speaker 4: has led for a decent portion of the first half

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Speaker 4: of the game.

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Speaker 3: And the biggest issue.

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Speaker 4: I think looks like there's oh it's I thought it

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Speaker 4: was a foul call, but it's against just out of bounds.

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Speaker 4: The biggest issue for the Gopher women offensively, they have struggled,

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Speaker 4: including one for nine from the three point line. Green

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Speaker 4: Bay is three for six from there. We're all shooting.

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Speaker 4: Gophers are thirty three percent and green Bay is at

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Speaker 4: forty four percent. So that's it's kind of been. The

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Speaker 4: offensive side of it is a big, big issue. The

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Speaker 4: Gophers have in large measure stayed close and even occasionally

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Speaker 4: had to lead because of their offensive rebounding. They got

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Speaker 4: ten offensive boards compared to six for green Bay.

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Speaker 3: So this is not what how it was supposed to go.

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Speaker 4: The green Bay was a where was a heavy underdog,

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Speaker 4: and in fact they just hit an often inbounds play

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Speaker 4: at the buzzer.

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Speaker 3: Was that a two? He as a two pointer?

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Speaker 4: So green Bay goes to the locker room at the

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Speaker 4: barn up three on the heavily favored Gopher women's team

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Speaker 4: twenty nine to twenty six a game. As I said,

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Speaker 4: you can hear on our sister station, Cafe and Plus

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Speaker 4: ninety six point seven or via the iHeart Radio app.

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Speaker 4: We don't have a sounder for ode to a dead

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Speaker 4: radio brand, but I do want to offer up that

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Speaker 4: ode in the wake of the news that CBS News

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Speaker 4: is ending it's radio service as part of what the

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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal describes as broader layoffs. While Editor in

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Speaker 4: chief Barry Weis looks to reshape the storied network, all positions,

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Speaker 4: all positions on the CBS News radio team are being eliminated,

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Speaker 4: and the service apparently will end on May twenty two.

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Speaker 4: That's according to an email that Weiss and the CBS

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Speaker 4: News presidents sent to staff earlier today.

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Speaker 3: Here's the quote in the email.

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Speaker 4: A shift in radio station programming strategies, coupled with challenging

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Speaker 4: economic realities, it's made it impossible to continue the service.

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Speaker 4: We are sharing this announcement now to fulfill our commitments

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Speaker 4: to our radio partners and affiliates, which require advanced notice

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Speaker 4: of services conclusions. Now our conclusion now again, a lot

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Speaker 4: of the kids probably aren't going to appreciate what that

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Speaker 4: brand has been CBS Radio. But if you go back

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Speaker 4: far enough, and I wasn't around for this, but I

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Speaker 4: was certainly aware of it, read plenty about it. Was

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Speaker 4: always fascinated by the CBS radio tradition, particularly as it

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Speaker 4: pertained to the radio coverage of World War Two from

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Speaker 4: largely from London by the legendary newscaster Edward R.

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Speaker 3: Murrell.

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Speaker 4: It was momentous at the time, It was unprecedented at

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Speaker 4: the time, and it brought the war home to the

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Speaker 4: United States of America in a way that made it

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Speaker 4: seem much more real than it otherwise would have been.

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Speaker 4: Merrele was an all time broadcaster. We know that he

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Speaker 4: also was a very good writer. But the picture that

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Speaker 4: he painted through his This is London reports out of

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Speaker 4: London during the war, sometimes during bombing, was chilling, how

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Speaker 4: effective it was, his grasp of detail, reporting very much

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Speaker 4: at its best.

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Speaker 3: And look, we can wax nostalgic, and I.

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Speaker 4: Think we should on a day like this, because I

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Speaker 4: think it's important to salute that rich tradition that was

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Speaker 4: largely established then and by the way, also included names

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Speaker 4: like Walter Kronkite, who the youngsters won't know but the

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Speaker 4: old timers will, and Eric Severide who reported on the

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Speaker 4: fall of Paris in nineteen forty Live to Americans that

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Speaker 4: began on the radio before. Obviously, Kronkite and Severeide became

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Speaker 4: huge on TV, and of course Murrow ended up on

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Speaker 4: TI as well. Sever I'd listed as the last American

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Speaker 4: journalist in Paris before it fell.

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Speaker 3: To the Nazis.

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Speaker 4: The truth is, the business is changing. It has changed.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not here to say that the network should

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Speaker 4: have been saved or that it's economically feasible in a

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Speaker 4: way that it once was. There's a part of me

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Speaker 4: that worries that we've I've always had the sense that

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Speaker 4: once upon a time the networks seemed to understand that

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Speaker 4: even if the news divisions relatively speaking, did not make

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Speaker 4: the money that the regular, you know, primetime programming did,

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Speaker 4: there was an understanding that that's part of what we

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Speaker 4: accept because what we do on the news side is

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Speaker 4: so important.

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Speaker 3: I think there's less value associated with that, which is

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Speaker 3: very much unfortunate.

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Speaker 4: But the bottom line is this, CBS News Radio of

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Speaker 4: CBS News had a terrific tradition and again going all

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Speaker 4: the way back to World War Two, a huge place

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Speaker 4: in bringing the war home in a way that maybe

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Speaker 4: they're certainly great newspaper writers were correspondents who are working

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Speaker 4: in Europe, working in the Pacific theater back then as well.

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Speaker 4: But for those who didn't spend didn't have access to

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Speaker 4: some of those outlets because it wasn't an Internet world there.

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Speaker 4: You couldn't get to everything the same way radio was instant.

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Speaker 4: Every town, you know, tended, especially metro areas, to have

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Speaker 4: a CBS news radio affiliate, and so it was networks

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Speaker 4: like a CBS radio that brought the whole thing home

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Speaker 4: in a way that I don't think at this point

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Speaker 4: probably will ever be duplicated.

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Speaker 3: So where does the where does this go?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but we're getting further confirmation that we

782
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Speaker 4: live in a very very different world in which different.

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Speaker 3: Things are valued.

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Speaker 4: And again there are different financial realities that might enter

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Speaker 4: into this as well. Might there have been ways to

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Speaker 4: save it, We'll never know. I'd like to think there were.

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Speaker 4: Allegedly there were several attempts to do exactly that, and

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Speaker 4: they were not particularly successful according to Weiss and others,

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Speaker 4: but still a very very big part of our broadcast

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Speaker 4: history in the United States of America. Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 4: points out that CBS had sold its radio stations in

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, the CBS Radio news unit, though still produced

793
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Speaker 4: and syndicated content for seven hundred stations around the country

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Speaker 4: that's now gone. The World News Round of from CBS

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Speaker 4: Radio is the longest running newscast in the United States

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Speaker 4: of America. It's no secret that the news business is

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Speaker 4: changing radically and that we need to change along with it.

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Speaker 4: New audiences are bird in new places, and we are

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Speaker 4: pressing forward ambitious plans to grow and invest so that

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Speaker 4: we can be there for them. We all love podcasts, right,

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Speaker 4: it's all. It's a podcast world in which we live.

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Speaker 4: But I always feel like there's something different and something

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Speaker 4: lost when you don't have, like I said, in this case,

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Speaker 4: the news at the top of the hour from CBS

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Speaker 4: Radio with that tradition that's very, very different from what

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Speaker 4: a podcast or podcasts are supposed to represent because podcasts

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Speaker 4: are done taped, they're played back later. The news is

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Speaker 4: in real time, live time. You're covering the story as

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Speaker 4: it's being presented immediately, and that, unfortunately, in the case

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Speaker 4: of the CBS News tradition is apparently gone, I would say,

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Speaker 4: most assuredly not forgotten. Top of the hour pause and

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Speaker 4: then we'll come back and give you more on the

813
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Speaker 4: Big Dance, both in the men's and the women's side.

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Speaker 3: I have another ode to get to as well, and.

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Speaker 4: We'll cover the bases on a couple of other stories

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Speaker 4: before we wrap up this edition of the Friday Football Beat.

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Speaker 4: Dan Minnesota writes, I wasn't listening to every minute today,

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Speaker 4: but when I tuned in, you were already talking Gophers

823
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Speaker 4: with the JG. You didn't say loser proof, did you.

824
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Speaker 4: I did not use that term that's tended to be

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Speaker 4: the kiss of death.

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Speaker 3: I did not. I promise you use that particular term, which.

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Speaker 4: Local fans hate when I do, because they assume it

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Speaker 4: means that something bad is indeed about to happen.

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Speaker 3: So please don't.

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Speaker 4: I if the Gophers don't take care of business in

831
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Speaker 4: the second half of this game, don't blame me. It

832
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Speaker 4: is at halftime and Green Bay a thirteen seed leads

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00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 4: the Gopher women twenty nine to twenty six. As I said,

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Speaker 4: it's been a very much a struggle, painful at times offensively.

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Speaker 4: I believe the Gophers have made only one three pointer.

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Speaker 4: Last I saw it was I believe one for nine.

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Speaker 4: In fact, let me see if I can get to

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Speaker 4: the box score of this particular game. Yeah, I've got

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Speaker 4: them at one for nine through the first half. Second

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Speaker 4: half about to begin. I do have some texts coming

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Speaker 4: in on a number of controversial subjects, including the news

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Speaker 4: about the women's hockey coach. I guess high school be

843
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 4: girls hockey coach Cloquet who resigned in frustration.

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Speaker 3: Where was it?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Should be noted that the hockey program is a

846
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 4: co op between multiple schools complicates matters as parents might

847
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: not even be associated with the school the coach works

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Speaker 4: for other than the hockey pair pairing. Wish parents would

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Speaker 4: just let their kids be coached. That's from a fellow

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Speaker 4: high school coach in Minnesota. Crazed parents pushing past established

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Speaker 4: boundaries with legal threats, and that is when weak local

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Speaker 4: boards of education's boards of education fold and don't support

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Speaker 4: schools and coaches. That gets often to the crux of it.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it applies in this case, but

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Speaker 4: it's absolutely a bit of a problem and a source

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Speaker 4: of great frustration. A couple of people wanted to know

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Speaker 4: if we had attempted to reach out to the coach

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Speaker 4: or to the principle. We have not because we're on

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Speaker 4: short notice on a Friday, but it's something as I

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Speaker 4: learn more about over the weekend, it's something that we

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Speaker 4: might attempt to do.

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Speaker 3: Into next week.

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Speaker 4: Somebody else want to know why the why parents had

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Speaker 4: not been interviewed for the story.

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Speaker 3: I perhaps they have.

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Speaker 4: Are parents willing under these kinds of you know, under

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Speaker 4: this kind of pressure to come forward with whatever their

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Speaker 4: complaints may be. We'll have to see if you're a

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Speaker 4: stayed at a hotel in a city with a hockey

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Speaker 4: tournament going on, you know, hockey parents are a bunch

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Speaker 4: of crazy drunks.

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Speaker 3: Man, that's aggressive.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I want to go along with

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Speaker 4: that kind of stereotyping, but we do know there are

875
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Speaker 4: lots of parents, whether they are sober or not, who

876
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: get delusional and they I'll say again, I think sometimes

877
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: they go as far as they are allowed to go.

878
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 4: And that gets back to certain boundaries have to be

879
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: set up by the school administration. All that for two

880
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: fifty an hour. At some point it just isn't worth that, Dan,

881
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 4: I would hope the administration would have the backbone to

882
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: disband the program.

883
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: I feel, as a coach, was in the right.

884
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: Well, that's what is not totally established by the story

885
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 4: that that we just read from.

886
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: Let's get to one or two more quickies.

887
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: Biggest this is from other two to one nine guy, Dan,

888
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 4: I'm from Cloque or other two one eight guys should

889
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 4: say hockey parents have always been a huge problem in

890
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 4: our town. I don't know if that's true, but again,

891
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: these things do tend to repeat themselves if the culture exists,

892
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 4: and as I said before, sadly it sometimes only takes

893
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 4: one delusional parent to galvanize others who aren't on their

894
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 4: own willing to go as far as send these anonymous

895
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 4: stupid notes to put on a windshield white on a wingshield.

896
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: But if you got one, that is, then you get braver.

897
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 4: And it's the kind of bravery that ends up I think,

898
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 4: being dysfunctional in many, many schools. And that's of course

899
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: one of the issues that we we've talked about a

900
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: lot over the years. Some of this stuff and each

901
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 4: case needs to be examined individually. Not all cases are equal.

902
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: Not all cases are about, you know, delusional parents, but

903
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 4: it seems like a lot of them most surely are.

904
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: And now it's time for old to a dead guy.

905
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 4: News breaking that Chuck Norris has passed away at the

906
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: age of eighty six years old.

907
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 3: He was the star of Walker, Texas Ranger.

908
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 2: Skip the Live.

909
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 4: One of those guys. Well, it's martial arts guys who

910
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 4: kind of crossed over very successfully, and a lot of

911
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 4: salutes have been coming in today, as one might expect.

912
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: I'm hoping I saved. This was the nugget. I had

913
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 4: never heard this story before, but this was the nugget

914
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: that definitely got my attention.

915
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 3: Let me see if I can find it here. It is?

916
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,479
Speaker 3: This is.

917
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 4: This was presented by a somebody named Sam Rosenfeld, Associate

918
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 4: professor of political science at Colgate University.

919
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: I don't know him, but I just like what he found.

920
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 4: He found a Chuck Norris story in Jessica Simpson's memoir.

921
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 4: Let me read you a couple of the items here.

922
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 4: This is I guess a conversation that Jessica was having

923
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: with one of her agents, and he says there's just

924
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 4: one thing, Jessica, you need to work on your acting.

925
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 4: We're going to send you to Chuck Norris. Yes, the

926
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 4: Chuck Norris.

927
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: Look.

928
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 4: I was twelve, so for years, Jessica writes, I told

929
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 4: people I went to the Chuck Norris acting school. Honestly,

930
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 4: it was probably just some school he was affiliated with

931
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 4: since he shot Walker, Texas Ranger in the Dallas Fort

932
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 4: Worth area. My mom dropped me off at Chuck Norris

933
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 4: and it felt like I was the only kid in class.

934
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 4: I think that's why I was given David Joyner as

935
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: my scene partner. He was nearly twenty years older than me,

936
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 4: but he had recently landed a gig playing Barney the

937
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: Dinosaur on PBS. Chuck Norris was there as intense and

938
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: chest puffed as you're picturing. I could not wait for

939
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: my mom to come back for me. The first day,

940
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 4: Chuck didn't say much to me, but the next time

941
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 4: I went he had some notes. He stopped me in

942
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 4: the middle of my one on one with him. You

943
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: have too much expression, he said, as he trained his

944
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: eyes on me in a squint.

945
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 3: Do you know who the most powerful actor in the

946
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 3: world is. I wasn't sure.

947
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: If I was supposed to say Chuck Norris, Denzel Washington.

948
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: He said, oh, I said, every person in the room

949
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 4: not in an agreement, which is kind of what people

950
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: did whenever Chuck spoke. Do you know why Chuck asked?

951
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: This time, he didn't wait for me to answer. He

952
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: just turned and grabbed a green roll of Scotch tape.

953
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 4: Denzel can say anything without moving his eyebrows, he said, so, Jessica,

954
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 4: I'd like to try something. He pulled out a long

955
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: strand of tape and stuck it across my eyebrows, to

956
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: tape them down right, or tape them down tight.

957
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do the scene again, he said.

958
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: Now, anybody who's seen me sing or even tell a

959
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 4: joke knows I have the facial expressions of Jim Carrey.

960
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: That tape was working overtime.

961
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 4: I can't remember what the scene was, but everyone acted

962
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: like this was very normal, the Chuck Norris acting method.

963
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 4: From then on, I had to do all my scenes

964
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 4: with my eyebrows tape down. I already hated going, but

965
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 4: now I really did. It wasn't torture, it was just embarrassing.

966
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to go there, I said in the

967
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 4: parking lot on the third visit, singing down so nobody

968
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: would see me crying in the front seat of our minivan.

969
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 4: You have to, my mom said, if you want to

970
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 4: do this thing, you have to go in there and

971
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 4: do these classes. She had to drag me out of

972
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: that minivan in tears. But that third time was the

973
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: last time. I don't want to may have a big

974
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 4: deal about it, and I wish Chuck, Norris and Barney

975
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 4: the best, but I will say the experience ruined every

976
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 4: single Denzel movie I've ever seen since I just watched

977
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: his eyebrows the whole.

978
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,479
Speaker 3: Time, waiting for them to move.

979
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 4: What I love about the anecdote is you think of him,

980
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 4: you don't really think of him. I don't think most

981
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 4: people as a great thespian or a great actor. Was

982
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 4: as a great action guy who was able to make

983
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 4: this transition and kind of play himself. And yet it's

984
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: a pretty good backstory there as well. Let's come back

985
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: and wrap up the program. We'll give you one more

986
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: update on the Golden Golfer women's basketball team continuing to

987
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 4: struggle against heavy underdog Green Bay at the Barn.

988
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: Back with that as we wrap the