WEBVTT - Dan Carroll in for Scott Sloan -- 12/8/25 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.440 Andre w l W nine eight. 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:06.080 Dan Carroll in for Scott Sloan Sloaney taking the day 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.400 off as he basks in the in the aftermath and 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.920 the glory of a great Buffalo Bill's victory over the 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:17.239 Cincinnati the hapless Cincinnati Bengals. Austin Elmore will be here 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.239 in the eleven o'clock hour, will break down some of 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.880 what happened yesterday. And I was really I love Austin Elmore. 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.960 I think his analysis on football is great. I was 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:30.280 really debating on whether or not they have him on 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:34.120 we can finally put in the rear view mirror this 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:38.360 season and just to forget about the notion that the 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.480 Bengals are going going to be involved in postseason play. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.319 So that's coming up in eleven o'clock hour. Also, Chris 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.400 Mindaman will be here in the eleven o'clock hour away 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:49.280 in what's going on in the city of Cincinnati there. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.760 It is amazing the way the stories broke over the weekend. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.120 And let me read to you the words of Kevin Aldrich, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.680 who is the opinion and Engagement editor at the Cincinnati 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.080 enquire because I think he really does a great job here. 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.000 And this is what he wrote over the weekend. Pervoll 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.760 isn't just any he's talking about our mayor have to 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.680 have Purvoll. By the way, Purvall isn't just any borrower 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.080 trying to make ends meet. He's the mayor of a 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.520 major American city responsible for overseeing a multi billion dollar budget. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.360 That job comes with higher expectations of financial responsibility and 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:30.720 just as importantly, transparency. When something goes wrong and the 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:35.199 story the mayor offered up doesn't add up, my auto 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.480 pay wasn't working, explanation glosses over the fact that he 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.800 would not, or that he would have had to miss 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.399 at least three months worth of payments. Most repossessions don't 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.880 happen until around ninety days after the first mispayment. By 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.120 that point, lenders have called emails, have got out, texted 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:58.160 and mailed letters. They've warned borrowers over and over before 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:01.920 they go to the nuclear option of repossessing a vehicle. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.200 And the man who wrote those words is my guest 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.040 this morning, Kevin Aldridge. It's great to have you on 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.360 this morning. How the heck are you? 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:10.360 Damn? 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.800 I'm doing good. I'd be doing better if those Bengals 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.200 you just talked about at the top had actually not 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.399 folded at the end of the game, So we move on. 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:20.679 I was joking with you over the weekend, I was 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:22.760 going to have you on to break down the Bengals game. 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.799 I think that was before we knew the outcome of 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.200 the game. I was hoping it was going to be 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.200 a Bengals victory, but I go ahead. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:32.840 No, it was looking like it was. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.079 I mean, and then there's like forty five seconds where 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.239 the wheels just came. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.639 Off and that was it. That was it. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.040 Then the play, I think really sums up the Bengals 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:47.440 season was at the very end of the game, third 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:52.280 and fifteen, time is running out, and apparently no one 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:56.600 affiliated with the Cincinnati Bengals could entertain the notion that 0:02:56.680 --> 0:03:01.040 the Buffalo Bills quarterback might run the ball situation, and 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.440 there was no no scheme devised at all to prevent 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:05.160 that from happening. 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.800 Yeah, if I'm the Bengals, I'm thinking one of two things. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.160 Guard the tight end and don't let Josh Allen run. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.640 Anything else from there is okay to let happen because 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.520 they're probably not going to get fifteen yards. But you know, 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.720 for some reason, our coaching staff is smarter than the 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.000 average fan like you and I watching the game in 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:29.080 terms of what's obvious, and as you said, it explains 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.040 why you know the Bengals are are four and ten 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.160 or whatever we are in the year is over and 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.800 now we can all move on and start talking about 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.040 the draft and how we're going to fix this, fix 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:39.960 this thing next year. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.520 How dare we how dare we applying on professional sports? 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.120 We know nothing of it? You and I? We did 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:47.240 We did not play the game. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.520 So let's talk about what's going on with our mayor 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.880 And the question that I think everyone is asking. Was 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:59.240 this information kept under wraps and did not see the 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.680 light of day until after the election? Was this done 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.160 in a purposeful way to keep this from having any 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:10.040 influence on voters who voted for this mayor in this 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:10.760 city council? 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.080 So so, who are you? Who are you asking? Kept 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:19.800 it under wrest Well? Was there an effort made by 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.560 the mayor? Was there an effort made by people who 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.400 support him? Was there an effort made by anyone to 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.039 keep that And that's the question. I don't know the 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.200 answer to that question. It was that was there? In 0:04:31.240 --> 0:04:31.839 your opinion? 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.039 Was there an effort made to keep this information from 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:36.760 seeing the light of day before the election. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.640 Well, yeah, I mean certainly one would. One would have 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.960 to say that this is something that the mayor wouldn't 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.800 want the mayor wouldn't want out or wouldn't wouldn't want 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.159 to be publicized because quite frankly, it is an embarrassing 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.560 situation to be the mayor of a you know, major city. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.000 And and I don't say that because these sorts of 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.880 things don't happen to people, right. I mean, I myself 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.960 in my early youth of my twenties had a car repossessed. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.240 So these things happen to people, particularly when you you know, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.240 may not be the best financial manager, or you know, 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:16.039 the economy is tough and it's tough to make ends meet. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.760 These things happen. That's not the point. But I think 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.440 the mayor recognized that, you know, this is probably something 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.560 that you're not going to you know, openly report or 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.760 reveal unless it's necessary. And I think the interesting thing 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.039 for me is how this how this information did get 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:38.440 out because most car repossessions are not in the public domain, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.760 like unless not unless it's it's it's taken the court 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.919 and there's some sort of lawsuit involved. So the interesting 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.320 thing to me was who, to me is who leaked 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:48.760 this and how did it get out? I mean, I 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:51.599 think we know the site's signal ninety nine. I think 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.680 was the one who reported it. But I think what's 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.680 more interesting is is how did they get a document 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.719 that's not typically in the public domain. So I think 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.640 that's a that's an interesting question in terms of how 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.120 it got out, I don't I don't think it's possible 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:10.440 for anybody outside of those who might have known the mayor, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.600 the loan company, anybody who might have saw the car 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.279 get repossessed when or when or wherever that was. The 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:22.240 mayor hasn't said if he confide it in anybody in 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.520 it they might have known, So I think, you know, 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.280 this notion of it being a broader cover up outside 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.280 of the mayor himself not saying anything, or people who 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.880 were in a position to know, I don't necessarily know that. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.720 I would conclude that just because that's the type of 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.719 information that's not readily out there in the public domain 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:45.000 where media could do a public records request or something 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.680 like that, short of you know, somebody in the know 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.120 telling the media about it, well, and. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:55.200 They you know, and I look at what you just 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.240 said right there, and I can respect that opinion completely. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.760 There's another issue that may involve the covering up of information. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:05.280 We're going to get to that in a minute. But 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.279 I think you make some good points here as you 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:11.280 take Mayor purvol to task that this notion about his 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.560 auto pay wasn't working, that we need to hold people 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:19.240 like the mayor of Cincinnati to a higher standard, that 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.560 we need to have trust in the people that are 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.280 in the administration and people that are in charge of 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.680 spending money at city Hall. And it raises the question 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.560 that if he can't control his own finances to the 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:38.000 point where something like this happens, and again, the people 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.320 make mistakes, there are oversight see these things happen, but 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:47.240 the reality of how a repossession comes to actually take 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:51.400 place doesn't really wash with the story that the mayor 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:52.160 is offering up. 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.600 Yeah, and that's why I said, you know, he's this 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:02.640 could be let's just take for let's just take that 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.360 what he says is actually true, that the auto pay 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:09.440 wasn't working. Okay, then just the simple explanation of hey 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.480 I wasn't I wasn't paying attention, or hey I got 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:17.040 these notices, and my intention was to take care of it, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.480 and it just kept slipping my mind, Like you know, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.680 some sort of explanation that helps people understand how you 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:28.040 can overlook something like maybe, hey, I don't manage my finances, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.080 I got somebody else who does it. For whatever. The 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.440 explanation is, just clarify it, you know, and put it 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:38.600 to bed. And people are generally sympathetic to the fact that, Hey, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.319 these sorts of things happen. We've all missed bills, we've 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:45.280 all had some situations that occur. It doesn't look good, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.560 but you give the full story and you move on. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.040 People forget about it. This would have been, you know, 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.320 probably a one day thing. Yeah, the mayor of a 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.679 major American city got his car repossessed. It's an embarrassment. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:57.520 Hey, we move on. 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.040 We talk about other things that probably are much more 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.240 significant to the daily residence. But when you don't tell 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.720 the whole story, when it doesn't add up and it 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.760 doesn't pass the smell test, then people start to question 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.200 what is it that you're not telling us. And if 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.880 you're not telling us something about something as maybe as 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:17.199 simple as this, what else. 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.640 Are you not telling us the truth about? 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:22.320 And that was the point of my column about the mayor, 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.800 is is that this thing that could have been something 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.800 he could have quickly moved past. Now you've got people 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.840 asking additional questions and it's unnecessary. And I think even 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.920 the fact that he won't say where the car got repossessed. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.840 I mean, look, it can either be one or two places. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.960 It's either at your home or it's a city hall. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.800 That's where most REPO people look for the vehicles, where 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.800 you work and where you live. Now, if it's with 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:52.920 someplace different than that, why is that such proprietary information 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.600 that the mayor can say? Again, these are the questions 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.120 that when you're looking at it and you're thinking about it, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.000 you're saying, what's the big deal that we can't get 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.520 all of the information? And I think you know that 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.520 was that was my overall point, all right. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.960 The other issue, of course, that looks like it could 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.160 have been there was an effort made to keep the 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.520 information under wraps and not let's see the light of 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.400 day until well after the election. Is the issue of 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.800 the City of Cincinnati paying out eight point one million 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.520 dollars to settle a lawsuit that was brought by about 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.920 four hundred individuals who were protesting and in many cases, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:35.200 not every case, but in many cases causing severe damage 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:41.520 to businesses and property in downtown Cincinnati. Do you believe 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.760 that there was an effort made to keep this under 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.840 wraps until after the election. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:50.440 Yeah? 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.719 Wow, you know, Dan, I don't know that. I can't. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.720 We don't. No, we don't. 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.520 Obviously we don't. We don't know that for sure. But 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.720 is that at least a question to your way of thinking, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.000 Kevin Aldridge, that is that is worth looking into? 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:10.520 Sure? 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.839 I mean sure, it's worth looking into. I mean all 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:16.440 of it's worth looking into. In terms of anytime we 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.920 think that, you know, city officials or our politicians are 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.400 holding back information that you know could be readily released 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.160 to the public earlier, or whatsoever. I think those questions 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.600 are always always worth asking. And if there is some 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.280 truth to that that that this was, you know, intentionally 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.680 held back for political reasons, yeah, I would say I 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.720 would say that that is a problem. I think that 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.800 the city settlement, though I don't know if it would 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:50.280 have made any kind of significant difference in in any 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.480 of the election results. I think, and we talked about this. 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.360 Last problem, you're probably right about that. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.079 Yeah, and I think that's why I'm not so inclined 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.320 to say, hey, you know, they wanted to hold this 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.760 until afterwards, because I think, you know, quite frankly, many 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:09.160 of the people who would have supported the Democrats in 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.679 this election anyway, which they want overwhelmingly, probably don't have 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.480 a problem with the city's payout here. They look at 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.199 it as I mean, if you remember back into those 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.920 back at that time, you know a lot of people 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.079 felt like the police and the tactics that they used 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:36.360 during the protests were inappropriate, were excessive in many cases. 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.200 And so this wasn't necessarily a defense of people who 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:46.120 looted or destroyed businesses or did property damage. This was 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:50.200 more of a question of some four hundred or so nonviolent, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:55.840 peaceful protesters who were subjected to tear gas being bag 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.439 pellets being shot at them, being held and detained, and 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:04.720 inhumane conditions, as I think the lawsuit said, and some 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.320 other things. So I think it's important to differentiate. And 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.760 I don't know who among these. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:10.640 Four hundred. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:16.440 Complainants in this lawsuit are, but my estimation is is 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.559 that most of these are probably the non violent protesters 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.000 who felt like their civil rights or their first Amendment 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.320 rights were violated were violated in this case, and not 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.360 necessarily those who were responsible for the property damage or 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.959 looting or the destruction of property. And I think that's 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:37.880 an important distinction because it's easy to say, well, you know, 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.120 here the city is paying out criminals, and crime pays. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:46.120 I think, as the FOP president said, but that takes 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.400 away from the fact of who are the folks who 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.880 are actually the complainants in this lawsuit and who will 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.000 be receiving that And if they're mostly the non violent protesters, 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.640 then that's not a fair statement to make that you 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.080 know pays, because we don't criminalize peaceful protests, no matter 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.760 what you might think about it. Now those who again, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.079 I'm more open to that statement. If you're talking about 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.720 people who broke into stores, did property damage, did violent 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.160 acts are part of those who will be receiving this 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.440 settlement payment, then that's a different conversation. I don't know 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.360 that to be the case. I don't know who the 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.160 complainants are, but I think we all should know that 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.600 before we make statements like that, because I don't think 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.800 we want to take the position of criminalizing peaceful protests. 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.000 Well, and I don't think I don't think Cincinnati police 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:39.000 make it a habit to arrest people who are engaging 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.359 in peaceful protests, who are doing nothing more than exercising 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.760 their First Amendment rights, which we fully support around here. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.200 But when you look at small businesses that had their 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:54.520 windows smashed, when you had planners upturned, dumpster fires, shots 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.800 were fired, all these things, and you've got Cincinnati police, 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.520 you've got Hamilton County Shriff's deputies who were out on 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.720 the street and they witness these acts take place. Those 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:07.080 are the people who got arrested. Four hundred and I 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.480 believe the number is four hundred and seventy nine got arrested, 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.600 sent to the Justice Center processed. They complained about, well, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.400 they didn't get their potty break, they didn't get food 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.920 and water, they didn't get medicine. People were taking their 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.520 masks down during the height of the Wuhan. They were 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:25.880 down there at the Transit center while they were waiting 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.680 to be processed, and so they weren't processed in a 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:32.440 timely manner. So therefore they're allowed to sue. So I 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.200 look at this Kevin Aldridge, and I see, well, look 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.760 if I was on the street and I didn't get 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.440 arrested and someone right next to me was committing that 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:45.000 crime and they became part of this lawsuit and I 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.960 didn't commit any crime and I wasn't part of the lawsuit. Well, 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.320 now I see these individuals getting a payout in excess 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:55.560 of twelve thousand dollars. So how do I reconcile that 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.840 if I'm someone who didn't get arrested, didn't cause any problem, didn't, 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.000 you know, have any reason for police to put cuffs 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.040 on me? How do I reconcile that? How do I 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.800 escape that notion that we are paying we are giving 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.600 people money because they engaged in activity that sent them 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.200 to the justice center. We've got about thirty seconds left 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.080 and I'm sorry our time is flying by. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.240 Yeah, no, it's it's all good. And again, Dan, I 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.240 think I would need to look at this at these 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.960 case by these on a case by case basis, because 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.600 I'm assuming that all of these individuals had their due process, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:34.880 had their day in court, and I think you. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:39.080 Have dismissed later on they a lot of them were 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.320 dismissed by and you know, and what the judges do 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.760 in the legal system do after the arrest and the 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.280 booking and the processing takes place to my way of 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:47.840 thinking that that's another matter. 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.080 Yeah, yeah, and it's probably way more than we'll have 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.520 an opportunity to get into. Maybe we can, maybe you 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.600 can have me back on sometime next time you're on 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:58.080 when we have a little bit more time, and we 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.840 can we can dissect exactly what you just said, because 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.880 you said a lot of good things there and and 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:05.000 and I know I can't adequately respond to it in 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.280 the time that we have left here, but but I definitely, 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.040 I definitely think it matters again in looking at things 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.719 on a case by case basis, in terms of who 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:19.400 are these complainants, who's getting paid out what they actually did, 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.320 because I can tell you for a fact, I know 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.560 that there were some people, even some journalists, who were 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:27.199 arrested for simply doing their jobs by Cincinnati police and 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.719 who were probably in that number of nonviolent So I'm 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.080 not going to sit here and say that everybody who 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.080 got arrested did something wrong. And I just don't. And 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.560 I think that's part of the problem here with the 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.400 case that the police have is I think they want 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.199 to make they want to make the case and the 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:47.280 fact that everybody that they arrested had done something out 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.000 of order. But when you have journalists who are being 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.119 arrested for simply being there and reporting on what that, 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.159 that in and of itself tells you that not everybody. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:18:01.600 Arrested the original complaints jests that the curfew that was 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.200 issued by the mayor was out of order as well. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.480 But Kevin Alders, we're gonna have to leave it right there. 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.960 As always, man, I appreciate the time, great stuff today, 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.520 and we will I will definitely be calling on you 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.720 again and we will discuss this down the road. But 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.640 thanks for the time today. I really appreciate it, all right, 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:19.080 Thanks Dan. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:19.679 All right there you. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.480 Kevin Aldrids of the Cincinnati Inquirer. So are we sending 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.040 that message? Is that the message that the City of 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.560 Cincinnati is putting out that we pay, we pay people 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.520 who engage in criminal criminal activity? Is that what we 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.399 are doing? I want to get your thoughts on this, 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.080 Sean McMahon, let's open the phone lines five, one, three, seven, four, nine, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.160 eight hundred the big one, Dan Carroll for Scott's loan 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.440 late for a break here and I apologize for that. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:50.719 On seven hundred WLW. So it was in May of 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.560 twenty twenty May thirtieth of twenty twenty, when then Mayor 0:18:54.640 --> 0:19:01.240 John Cranley imposed a city wide curfew of eight pm, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:07.520 and these demonstrators were out there in violation of that 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:14.440 curfew and found themselves under arrest. And the intake at 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:18.200 Hamilton County Justice Center is not set up to handle 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.000 one hundred or two hundred, or three hundred or four 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.879 hundred people at one time, so that processing takes time. 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.560 And so while these people sat around in the parking lot, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.359 or as the lawsuit indicates the original complaint, down at 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.720 the transit center, waiting for their turn to process, well, 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.679 maybe they were a little uncomfortable. Maybe they didn't get 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.359 a bottle of water, maybe they didn't get a. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:47.720 Bathroom break. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.280 Sources tell me that that's all complete garbage, But in 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.720 any case, that's what the lawsuit is about. So tomorrow 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.359 there is a committee of Council that is going to 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.280 approve this settlement, and then the money will start flowing. 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.760 Over two million dollars to al Gerhartstein and his cohorts, 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:13.679 and then twelve grande about twelve five hundred dollars to 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.840 the four hundred and seventy nine plaintiffs in the case. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.359 It's a beautiful thing. So crime pays in the City 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:26.800 of Cincinnati. That is what the committee that is going 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.080 to look at this tomorrow is going to vote on. 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.840 And here's the I say, I've got to copy the ordinance. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.080 Where what did I do with it? Hold on one second. 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:36.760 Here it is. 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:43.320 Authorizing here's the emergency ordinance authorizing the city Manager and 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.439 the City Solicitor to execute a settlement agreement in a 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:53.080 class action lawsuit the captioned Kenny at All versus the 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.480 City of Cincinnati. Whereas in May of June twenty twenty, 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.480 there was a swell of protests across the country and 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:04.080 within the City of Cincinnati in response to the murder 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.800 of George Floyd. We know subsequently that George Floyd was 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:11.560 not murdered, that he had an overdose of drugs in 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:17.320 his system that played a major role in ending his life. 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.320 And it goes on and on, and it talks about 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.520 several of the plaintists on behalf of the class and 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.439 the city, the defendants, and the planets engage in an 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:31.399 extensive settlement negotiations. The city and defendants now desire to 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:36.119 resolve the issue. Now I say, go to court, go 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:41.120 to court. Do not send the message out that crime pays, 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.120 that you can come into the city of Cincinnati, ignore 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:49.800 the orders, the lawful orders of the Mayor of Cincinnati, 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.160 engage in whatever activity you like, and then eventually wind 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:59.960 up getting paid for it. Dave, what say you, David Cincinnati, 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.359 what's going on? Then we got Lawrence and then Bobby J. 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:04.360 Yeah. 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:08.040 I was calling about the I'm paying if you remember correctly, 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.200 a few years ago when the girl was stealing from 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:15.720 the Kroger's and the all duty police officer tried to 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.080 stop her and it was late at night. They wind 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.200 up paying her a bunch of money. 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.520 Well, yeah, we can't. We can't have people. You know, 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:26.440 what kind of city are we're going to live in. 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.040 If we're going to have people being held responsible for 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.520 crimes they commit, how can we possibly like them. 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.040