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Speaker 2: the glory of a great Buffalo Bill's victory over the

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Speaker 2: in the eleven o'clock hour, will break down some of

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Speaker 2: what happened yesterday. And I was really I love Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 2: we can finally put in the rear view mirror this

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Speaker 2: So that's coming up in eleven o'clock hour. Also, Chris

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Speaker 2: Mindaman will be here in the eleven o'clock hour away

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Speaker 2: in what's going on in the city of Cincinnati there.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing the way the stories broke over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: And let me read to you the words of Kevin Aldrich,

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Speaker 2: who is the opinion and Engagement editor at the Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: And this is what he wrote over the weekend. Pervoll

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Speaker 2: isn't just any he's talking about our mayor have to

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Speaker 2: have Purvoll. By the way, Purvall isn't just any borrower

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Speaker 2: trying to make ends meet. He's the mayor of a

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Speaker 2: That job comes with higher expectations of financial responsibility and

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Speaker 2: just as importantly, transparency. When something goes wrong and the

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Speaker 2: story the mayor offered up doesn't add up, my auto

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Speaker 2: at least three months worth of payments. Most repossessions don't

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Speaker 2: happen until around ninety days after the first mispayment. By

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Speaker 2: that point, lenders have called emails, have got out, texted

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Speaker 2: And the man who wrote those words is my guest

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Speaker 2: this morning, Kevin Aldridge. It's great to have you on

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Speaker 2: this morning. How the heck are you?

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Speaker 3: Damn?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing good. I'd be doing better if those Bengals

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Speaker 4: folded at the end of the game, So we move on.

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Speaker 2: I was joking with you over the weekend, I was

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Speaker 2: I think that was before we knew the outcome of

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Speaker 5: No, it was looking like it was.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and then there's like forty five seconds where

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Speaker 1: Off and that was it. That was it.

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Speaker 2: Then the play, I think really sums up the Bengals

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Speaker 2: season was at the very end of the game, third

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Speaker 2: and fifteen, time is running out, and apparently no one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if I'm the Bengals, I'm thinking one of two things.

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Speaker 4: Guard the tight end and don't let Josh Allen run.

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Speaker 4: Anything else from there is okay to let happen because

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Speaker 4: they're probably not going to get fifteen yards. But you know,

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Speaker 4: for some reason, our coaching staff is smarter than the

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Speaker 4: terms of what's obvious, and as you said, it explains

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Speaker 4: or whatever we are in the year is over and

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Speaker 4: now we can all move on and start talking about

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Speaker 2: How dare we how dare we applying on professional sports?

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Speaker 1: We know nothing of it? You and I? We did

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about what's going on with our mayor

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Speaker 2: And the question that I think everyone is asking. Was

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Speaker 4: So so, who are you? Who are you asking? Kept

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean certainly one would. One would have

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Speaker 4: And and I don't say that because these sorts of

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Speaker 4: So these things happen to people, particularly when you you know,

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Speaker 4: These things happen. That's not the point. But I think

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Speaker 2: They you know, and I look at what you just

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Speaker 2: There's another issue that may involve the covering up of information.

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Speaker 2: make mistakes, there are oversight see these things happen, but

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Speaker 2: the reality of how a repossession comes to actually take

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's why I said, you know, he's this

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Speaker 4: but you give the full story and you move on.

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Speaker 4: People forget about it. This would have been, you know,

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Speaker 4: probably a one day thing. Yeah, the mayor of a

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Speaker 5: Hey, we move on.

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Speaker 4: We talk about other things that probably are much more

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Speaker 4: what is it that you're not telling us. And if

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Speaker 1: Are you not telling us the truth about?

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Speaker 4: And that was the point of my column about the mayor,

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Speaker 4: That's where most REPO people look for the vehicles, where

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Speaker 2: The other issue, of course, that looks like it could

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Speaker 2: day until well after the election. Is the issue of

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Speaker 2: four hundred individuals who were protesting and in many cases,

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Speaker 2: not every case, but in many cases causing severe damage

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Speaker 2: that there was an effort made to keep this under

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Speaker 4: Wow, you know, Dan, I don't know that. I can't.

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Speaker 1: We don't. No, we don't.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we don't. We don't know that for sure. But

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Speaker 2: Kevin Aldridge, that is that is worth looking into?

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Speaker 6: Sure?

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Speaker 4: I mean sure, it's worth looking into. I mean all

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Speaker 4: of it's worth looking into. In terms of anytime we

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Speaker 4: And so this wasn't necessarily a defense of people who

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Speaker 4: I don't know who among these.

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Speaker 4: Complainants in this lawsuit are, but my estimation is is

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Speaker 4: I think, as the FOP president said, but that takes

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Speaker 4: I'm more open to that statement. If you're talking about

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Speaker 2: Well, and I don't think I don't think Cincinnati police

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Speaker 2: But when you look at small businesses that had their

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Speaker 2: look at this Kevin Aldridge, and I see, well, look

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Speaker 2: now I see these individuals getting a payout in excess

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Speaker 2: if I'm someone who didn't get arrested, didn't cause any problem, didn't,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's all good. And again, Dan, I

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Speaker 4: I'm assuming that all of these individuals had their due process,

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Speaker 2: Have dismissed later on they a lot of them were

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Speaker 2: thinking that that's another matter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and it's probably way more than we'll have

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Speaker 4: when we have a little bit more time, and we

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Speaker 4: can we can dissect exactly what you just said, because

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Speaker 4: I definitely think it matters again in looking at things

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Speaker 4: not going to sit here and say that everybody who

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of the problem here with the

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Speaker 2: Arrested the original complaints jests that the curfew that was

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Speaker 2: But Kevin Alders, we're gonna have to leave it right there.

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Speaker 2: As always, man, I appreciate the time, great stuff today,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Dan.

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Speaker 1: All right there you.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Aldrids of the Cincinnati Inquirer. So are we sending

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Speaker 2: Sean McMahon, let's open the phone lines five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred the big one, Dan Carroll for Scott's loan

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Speaker 2: late for a break here and I apologize for that.

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Speaker 2: On seven hundred WLW. So it was in May of

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Speaker 2: And so while these people sat around in the parking lot,

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Speaker 2: maybe they were a little uncomfortable. Maybe they didn't get

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Speaker 1: Bathroom break.

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Speaker 2: Sources tell me that that's all complete garbage, But in

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Speaker 2: any case, that's what the lawsuit is about. So tomorrow

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Speaker 2: there is a committee of Council that is going to

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Speaker 2: Over two million dollars to al Gerhartstein and his cohorts,

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing. So crime pays in the City

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Speaker 2: And here's the I say, I've got to copy the ordinance.

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Speaker 2: Where what did I do with it? Hold on one second.

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Speaker 1: Here it is.

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Speaker 2: Authorizing here's the emergency ordinance authorizing the city Manager and

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Speaker 2: class action lawsuit the captioned Kenny at All versus the

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Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati. Whereas in May of June twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: And it goes on and on, and it talks about

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Speaker 2: what's going on? Then we got Lawrence and then Bobby J.

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Speaker 8: I was calling about the I'm paying if you remember correctly,

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we can't. We can't have people. You know,

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Speaker 2: If we're going to have people being held responsible for

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Speaker 8: Didn't they propose something if you were a criminal with

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Speaker 2: Uh? I know ideas like that have been floated out there,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence?

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Speaker 6: Okay, thanks for taking my car?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 5: Thanks?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 9: I just wanted to bring up you and Kevin talked

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: I do not remember that in specifically.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, you can check it out on some free time.

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Speaker 10: In twenty nineteen, Sharon Coolish wrote an article about tom

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Speaker 2: Well, Lawrence, it would be it would be my hope

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Speaker 2: So I would certainly hope there are reporters out there

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Speaker 11: Good morning to you, and thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 11: And I think do as quick as possible, take the

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Speaker 11: issue to court.

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Speaker 1: You know yourself.

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Speaker 11: We've got a democratic mayor, democratic counsel. The individuals who

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Speaker 11: made these decisions and making the recommendations, they're all Democrats.

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Speaker 11: They'll hand the money out to anybody that's got their

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Speaker 11: hand out.

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Speaker 1: Take it to court.

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Speaker 11: Take it to court because there's no federal violations at all.

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Speaker 11: There's no civil rights violation. You don't see civil rights

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Speaker 11: people coming down out of Washington complaining about civil rights violations.

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Speaker 11: The mayor was exactly correct when he issued what he

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Speaker 11: did for the unrests and everything curfew. We got juvenile curfews. Now,

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Speaker 11: now what they're going to do, and the juveniles don't

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Speaker 11: go ahead and comply with the curfew, it doesn't end.

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Speaker 6: It's real simple.

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Speaker 1: Take it to.

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Speaker 11: Court, stand your ground and go ahead and let these

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Speaker 11: people know that we're not putting up with this crap.

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Speaker 2: Well you go, Bobby Jackie, I thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for that opinion. Take it to court. But the city

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Speaker 2: administration is going to tell members of council that this

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Speaker 2: is the best way forward. It is best to settle

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Speaker 2: this for eight point one million dollars to issue debt

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Speaker 2: in order to make this payment happen. Here's the ordinance

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Speaker 2: right here. The city intends to fund this settlement by

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Speaker 2: issuing judgment bonds pursuing to RC one thirty three point

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Speaker 2: one four upon court approval of the settlement agreement, which

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Speaker 2: will require passage of another ordinance issuing these bonds at

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Speaker 2: a point in the future. So this, this Council committee

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Speaker 2: tomorrow is going to be looking at this and probably

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Speaker 2: us go ahead and.

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Speaker 1: Rubber stamp it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, let's go ahead and and we send the

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Speaker 2: message out that if you commit crime in the City

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, you are in line for a payment. Dick

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Speaker 2: from Dayton, It's been a while since I've had a

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Speaker 2: chance to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good, Dan?

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Speaker 4: How about you?

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Speaker 1: All right? What you got for me today?

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Speaker 3: I was just listening. I like what the guy did say.

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Speaker 7: He may have to take this to court to get

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Speaker 7: good resolved.

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Speaker 1: Take it to court.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's see what uh, let's see what what Jurors

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Speaker 2: federal jurors who are going to be drawn from Hamilton County,

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Speaker 2: from Claremont County, from Brown County. Let's let's hear what

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Speaker 2: these jurors think about this. When you've got individuals who

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Speaker 2: are out violating the curfew, damaging property, breaking windows, some

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Speaker 2: in some instances there were shots that were fired at

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Speaker 2: first responders. Let's see how how a jury of our

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Speaker 2: peers and their peers I think that, well, you know

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Speaker 2: that they should be paid for their trouble because they

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Speaker 2: had to because they had to spend a night in

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Speaker 2: the in the custody of the sheriff, and uh and

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Speaker 2: and you know, maybe they weren't all that comfortable while

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Speaker 2: they were while they while they were being detained.

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Speaker 3: Were good to talk to you, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Dick. I appreciate the call. Let's go to Columbus.

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Speaker 2: This is Eddie, Eddie seven hundred w l W Hey, damn.

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Speaker 12: This is just another example of the cities willing to

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Speaker 12: anything to prevent a riot or or or bad press,

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Speaker 12: you know, riots or bad news. Tell I think they'd

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Speaker 12: rather bury a policeman than then defend him in court

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Speaker 12: or or take this matter to court.

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Speaker 2: The the notion that You're going to pay out eight

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Speaker 2: point one million dollars from the city the size of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati to a bunch of thugs, to a bunch of agitators,

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Speaker 2: to a bunch of people who were crossing about an

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Speaker 2: issue that didn't even happen in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: The notion that you're going to pay them eight point

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Speaker 2: one million dollars to me sends out the exact wrong message.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, it's outrage, Dan, it's out rage.

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Speaker 2: And to your way of thinking, does this invite more

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Speaker 2: of this activity to happen in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: I mean, al Gerhardstein is sitting there thinking, Yeah, let's go,

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Speaker 2: let's get some more protests going on, Let's have another curfew,

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Speaker 2: let's get another class action lawsuit. Him and him and

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Speaker 2: his co counsel is going to rake into over two

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Speaker 2: million dollars on this.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'd love to see the addresses of the individuals.

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Speaker 12: There's four hundred or I think it's four hundred and something.

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Speaker 12: I'd like to see their addresses, their real addresses. I

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Speaker 12: bet they're professional protesters bust in here.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see about that. I Actually, I've got the

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Speaker 2: original complaint here and some of them are listed. All

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Speaker 2: have to all have to go and look that up.

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Speaker 2: But Eddie, I appreciate that phone call. All right, there

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Speaker 2: you go, Eddie, you have a great day. Eight point

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Speaker 2: one million dollars. Let me see what I do with

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Speaker 2: this ordinance again, we're not sure we've got Let's see.

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Speaker 2: Be it ordained by the Council of Cincinnati, State of Ohio,

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Speaker 2: Section one, that the City Manager and City Solicitor are

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Speaker 2: authorized to execute a settlement agreement with Maurice Kenney, Quinn Moore,

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Speaker 2: wild of Ziser, Paula Bennett, Arianna Hicks, Andrew Armine, Susan Lockhart,

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Speaker 2: Kimberly Galloway, Zoe Keller, William Todd Butler, Administrator of the Estate.

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Speaker 1: Boh, blah blah.

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Speaker 2: This Ordinance shall be an emergency measure necessary for the

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Speaker 2: preservation of public peace, health, safety, and the general welfare,

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Speaker 2: and shall subject the terms of Article two, Section six

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Speaker 2: of the Charter, or be subject to the terms of

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Speaker 2: that and be effective immediately.

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Speaker 1: That is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Got to preserve the peace, Got to preserve the peace,

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Speaker 2: Gotta preserve the well being of the City of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: because because what because people complained, they violated the curfew

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati police said, look, we've got a job to do.

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Speaker 2: You violate the curfew, you're under arrest. It's it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a misdemeanor. It's a misdemeanor. Thousand dollars fine,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of time behind bars. Most of

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Speaker 2: those cases were dismissed in the aftermath. But no, we've

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Speaker 2: got we've got a city manager and we've got a

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Speaker 2: law department that says spending two one point eight million

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Speaker 2: dollars is the way to go.

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Speaker 1: Back.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, the City Development Corporation three CDC estimated

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Speaker 2: that approximately eighty businesses in the urban core sustained damage

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Speaker 2: in excess of two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: You had windows that were smashed, planners that were overturned,

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Speaker 2: dumpsters that were set on fire, general vandalism. You may recall,

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Speaker 2: as I recalled on over the weekend, saw the video

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Speaker 2: of a police barricade being smashed into the window of

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Speaker 2: the Hamilton County Justice Center. The window was busted out.

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Speaker 2: People were there posing in front of it taking picture

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Speaker 2: like like it was a trophy, or like they had

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Speaker 2: caught a giant tuna and they were taking pictures with it.

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Speaker 2: Several businesses later filed a class action lawsuit against individuals arrested,

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Speaker 2: trying to seek restitution for the damages. I have no

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Speaker 2: idea if those businesses were ever made whole in any

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Speaker 2: sort of way. But if you were out there on

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Speaker 2: the streets at that time, back in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 2: you didn't get arrested, or you weren't part of this lawsuit,

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Speaker 2: no twelve thousand dollars for you. Not people who got arrested,

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Speaker 2: people who complain, people who want to agitate and cause problem.

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Speaker 2: Here you go, cutting you a check for twelve five

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Mark and Amelia, what say you?

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Speaker 13: I would say, we need to have a peaceful protest

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Speaker 13: for against paying out to the criminals that were arrested

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Speaker 13: while committing damage to our city.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea.

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Speaker 13: And I think you know, we ought a set of time,

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Speaker 13: a place, and the real people should show up and

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Speaker 13: peacefully pro tasks. But make sure that this mayor and

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Speaker 13: this city council understand that we won't put up with this.

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Speaker 2: Well, the City council Public Safety and Governance Committee is

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Speaker 2: going to meet tomorrow and we'll see if they give

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Speaker 2: final approval to this. And Mark and Emilia thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for your call. So that's where we stand today.

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Speaker 2: Chris Smitherman is going to be here at eleven thirty

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Speaker 2: and he'll weigh in on this as well. In between times,

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Speaker 2: I've got Craig Banister coming up. He is the managing

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Speaker 2: editor editor of CNS News. And then a guy named

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Speaker 2: Gentry Beach with an organization called America First Global, and

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Speaker 2: we are going to talk about the new way or

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Speaker 2: the way that we are engaged right now of trying

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Speaker 2: to bring peace around the world. And it's pretty much

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Speaker 2: the art of the deal. And he's an interesting guy

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Speaker 2: and I hope you can stick around for that. So

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens between now and then. But it's

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Speaker 2: Dan Carroll and for Scott's Loan on seven hundred WLW

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Speaker 2: and Carroll.

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Speaker 1: For Scott's Loan On this Monday.

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Speaker 2: After the Bengals eliminated pretty much Lea, someone told me

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Speaker 2: there was a one percent chance of Engles can still

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs this year. I'm not really holding on

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Speaker 2: to that, but we will break that down with Austin

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Speaker 2: Elmore in one hour from now in the meantime, though,

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Speaker 2: you know, I have people ask me all the time,

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Speaker 2: where do you find all this information? The stuff you

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Speaker 2: talk about. One of the things I do is because

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Speaker 2: of the time that I spent in television, news media

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Speaker 2: is I love to come to this microphone and sort

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Speaker 2: of reveal how these things work. And I've been talking

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Speaker 2: about bias in news coverage for years now. And one

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Speaker 2: of the great websites that I look at at CNS

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Speaker 2: News under the umbrella of the Media Research Center, and

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Speaker 2: Craig Banister is joining us this morning. He is the

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Speaker 2: managing editor for CNS News and Craig Banister, it's great

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Speaker 2: to have you on today on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Good morning. How are things going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, things aside from the Bengals stinking up the field yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Well they didn't really stink it up, but they just

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Speaker 2: kind of let things get away from them late in

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Speaker 2: the game, and so we're all kind of down on

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Speaker 2: the dumps. But I think one of the interesting stories

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Speaker 2: that continues to carry on is the story about the

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Speaker 2: way the Trump administration is blowing these drug boats out

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Speaker 2: of the water in the Caribbean. And it was interesting

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Speaker 2: over the course of last week, how the narrative was

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Speaker 2: spun up and then died quickly. This whole notion that

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Speaker 2: Pete hag Seth and some of the admirals and Donald

630
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Speaker 2: Trump were committing war crimes, and that was such a

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Speaker 2: flimsy foundation for that notion. That narrative died, and now

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Speaker 2: we're back to the narrative that, well, these are just

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Speaker 2: poor fishermen. That and I heard on the news today

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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump is blowing up these drug boats and

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Speaker 2: not presenting any evidence whatsoever that there are drugs on

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Speaker 2: these boats and just blowing them out of the water.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to me how this story just continues to breathe.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: And part of the problem is the media will get

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Speaker 5: that false narrative out there. They will hype it and

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00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 5: hype it and hype it, and as you said, then

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Speaker 5: it dies down. But dying down isn't the same as

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Speaker 5: retracting it or actually giving the same amount of coverage

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Speaker 5: to telling the viewers or readers that they were wrong.

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Speaker 5: I have the damage is done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And they said that's something they'd never do is go

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Speaker 2: back and say, look, we were wrong about this. I

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Speaker 2: can probably count and I can't think of any examples

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Speaker 2: that come to mind, but I think there was maybe

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Speaker 2: one or maybe two times in the last several years

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Speaker 2: that the media might have admitted they were they were

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Speaker 2: wrong or mistaken about something. But I've been saying ever

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Speaker 2: since this he first came to light, since they first

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Speaker 2: started blowing these drug boats out of the water, and

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Speaker 2: I think they're up to what twenty five or twenty

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Speaker 2: six now that if if there were indeed, if these

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Speaker 2: were just fishermen, just people out there going out for

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Speaker 2: a joy ride, just minding their own business, not transporting drugs.

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Speaker 2: I have speculated that CBS, NBC, ABC, The New York Times,

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Speaker 2: the Post, they all have they all have reporters in

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Speaker 2: South America right now looking for that one story that

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Speaker 2: one family that says, yes, you know, our provider went

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Speaker 2: out on his fishing boat one day and never came

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Speaker 2: back because Donald Trump blew his boat out of the water.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they've got reporters there right now who

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Speaker 2: are looking and just begging to find that story and

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Speaker 2: be able to bring that story to light.

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And if they can't find them, they'll continue doing

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Speaker 5: what they've been doing is citing unnamed sources. So you know, uh,

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Speaker 5: you really have to wonder about that. If these sources

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Speaker 5: were so credible, why won't they come forward? So yes,

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Speaker 5: they are. The media are hungry to find that one

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Speaker 5: family that that that was accidentally blown up by this effort.

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Speaker 5: But again you also have to wonder. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 5: people need, you know, to feed their families. But also

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Speaker 5: I think there's some onus on people to say, well,

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Speaker 5: this is a part of the waterfare. Boats are being

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Speaker 5: blown up, maybe I should I should go fishing somewhere,

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Speaker 5: or or an a joy ride somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: It's there's not a longevity in that line of work anymore.

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Speaker 2: And at some point I'm thinking these drug runners are

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Speaker 2: going to get the message that it's probably not a

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Speaker 2: good idea to engage in that. But you talk about

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Speaker 2: the unnamed sources, and that's another that's another aspect of

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Speaker 2: this that just bothers me to know, when how many

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Speaker 2: times have we been lectured by sixty Minutes or NBC

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Speaker 2: News that look, we've got these journalistic ethics and standards

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Speaker 2: and we can't just willy nilly report on anything that

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Speaker 2: we haven't been able to independently verify. But yet the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post story where this whole narrative started about the

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Speaker 2: war crimes being committed, and all the rest of this

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Speaker 2: was based on what one anonymous source who told The

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Speaker 2: Washington Post that hey, Pete Hexsas said to kill them all.

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Speaker 1: And so, without.

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Speaker 2: Any hesitation, every major news outlet in the country jumped

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Speaker 2: on that story. Could not wait to get it out there.

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Speaker 2: How much time did they spend verifying this, tracking down

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Speaker 2: this stores and making sure that this story was accurate

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Speaker 2: before they went ahead and put it out there.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And the other danger or problem here is, I

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Speaker 5: don't know if you remember the old game where people

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Speaker 5: would sit around in a circle. You'd have a story

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Speaker 5: and they'd whisper it into each other's ears all the

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Speaker 5: way around, and when it got to the end, it

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Speaker 5: was a completely different story than it started out being. Absolutely,

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Speaker 5: and you see that you see this in the media.

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Speaker 5: Where As you said, the Post puts something out, the

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Speaker 5: next media outlet puts it out without questioning and embellishes

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Speaker 5: it or exaggerates it, if nothing else, paints it into

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Speaker 5: broader strokes, which has the same effect. And that keeps happening,

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Speaker 5: and the story gets worse and worse. But as you said,

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Speaker 5: it's been like so many of these other hoax is

715
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Speaker 5: thoroughly debunked. There was actually a JAG officer, a lawyer

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Speaker 5: in the room at the time when the orders were given,

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Speaker 5: UH signing off on on on that second strike. And

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Speaker 5: you know who wasn't in the room is Pete eggscept

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Speaker 5: So so much of the of the narrative is a

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Speaker 5: skewed and as UH a media research center, it has

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Speaker 5: constantly been pointing out it's not just news that is misreported,

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Speaker 5: but that is reported dishonestly and in some cases, as

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Speaker 5: in the case of the attractions, that goes unreported. So

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Speaker 5: there's there's fake news, there's dishonest news, and then there's

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Speaker 5: new important news that that is just being being ignored

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Speaker 5: in UH what referred to as the legacy media, the

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Speaker 5: the old the old Guard, which now is largely being

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Speaker 5: replaced by my other sources. As you know that that

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Speaker 5: polls are showing trust in the media is after near

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Speaker 5: an all time low.

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Speaker 1: Well sure, it's it's at an all time low.

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Speaker 2: And then I hear I hear these different individuals complain

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Speaker 2: about it, like Brian Stelter comes to mind from CNN

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Speaker 2: talking about how it's it's just an absolute shame that

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Speaker 2: and and somehow it's it's the Trump administration's fault that

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Speaker 2: people have this distrust of the media. And and I

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Speaker 2: and I keep repeating the same phrase in my head

738
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Speaker 2: over and over and over, is that you brought this

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Speaker 2: upon yourself. We've we've had a pattern of this for

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Speaker 2: years now, where the bias is is just as plain

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Speaker 2: as the nose on your face. And even in some

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Speaker 2: in some instances, the the the the notion that we're

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Speaker 2: not trying to be biased anymore is completely out the window.

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Speaker 2: But then on the other hand, you get people out

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Speaker 2: there who try to act as if they, the CNNs

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Speaker 2: of the world, are the arbiters of fair and balanced.

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Speaker 5: Information, and they presume that they're the arbiters of truth.

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Speaker 5: Yea that by saying it it makes it right. Uh

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Speaker 5: And and for a long time and Bosley today, they

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Speaker 5: also have have the presumption of information monopoly. No one,

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Speaker 5: no one's going to chant challenge and certainly no one

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Speaker 5: with gravitas because they controlled all the outlets of UH

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Speaker 5: of information and news. And that's that's becoming less and

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Speaker 5: less the case as more and more sources of media

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Speaker 5: UH they come out there and gain gain popularity, So

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Speaker 5: I think they still haven't gotten the message that when

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Speaker 5: they put out a false narrative, uh, it can be debunked.

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Speaker 5: Now you have some true believers who will believe whatever

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Speaker 5: MSNBC tells them unquestioningly. But are there also more and

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Speaker 5: more people.

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Speaker 3: These days who are who.

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Speaker 5: Are also being being told the facts And that's leading

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Speaker 5: to to the lack of lack of trust in the

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Speaker 5: media as people are seen how they how they've been,

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Speaker 5: and how they are being manipulated well, and I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of that is it happens in stories that

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Speaker 5: are not covered as well.

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking of the story about the just the

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Speaker 2: the jaw dropping fraud that has been taking place in

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Speaker 2: Minneapolis within and much of it within the Somalian community there,

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Speaker 2: and the way that story has been underreported on the news.

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Speaker 2: I think NBC gave about fifty six seconds to it.

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Speaker 2: And then the way that ABC and CBS covered it

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Speaker 2: was they took the remarks of Donald Trump at that

775
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Speaker 2: cabinet meeting talking about how they know this is garbage

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Speaker 2: and these people are garbage and we don't want them

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Speaker 2: in our country and they're ripping off the country. And

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Speaker 2: he was talking about the individuals who were engaging in

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Speaker 2: this fraud that is in excess of a billion dollars now,

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Speaker 2: and they took those comments completely out of context as

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Speaker 2: and suggested that, well, he just made these comments out

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Speaker 2: of the blue, and that Tim Homan is going to

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Speaker 2: go in there with ice and help round up even

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Speaker 2: more illegal aliens, and not one word about all this

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Speaker 2: fraud that when it's you know, when you're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be feeding the hungry, or help autistic children, or helping

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Speaker 2: seniors and disabled veterans find housing and things like that,

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Speaker 2: under all these things that are siphoning money from the

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Speaker 2: public treasury, the treasury of Minnesota and the treasury of

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Speaker 2: the United States, in excess of a billion dollars. And

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Speaker 2: this gets next to no coverage, less than a minute's

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Speaker 2: worth of coverage. And so there's millions of Americans right now,

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Speaker 2: Craig Banister who have no knowledge of this story whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: And that is just it is just one of the

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Speaker 2: most glaring examples I can think of how poorly served

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Speaker 2: the American people are by the media establishment in this country.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, as you know, President Trump is hyperbolic. I mean,

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Speaker 5: that's that's just a fact. But the media as you said,

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Speaker 5: instead of focusing on this almost unprecedented fraud, is trying

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Speaker 5: to spin Trump's condemnation of the fraud into racism. To

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Speaker 5: your point, you know, CNS news is up on the

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Speaker 5: NewsBusters website the Research Center today a piece up there

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Speaker 5: by Clay waters As titled TBS creeps up to Minnesota

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Speaker 5: Somali fraud scandal fixes on zenophobia Trump xenophobic Trumps, it

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Speaker 5: says here. Friday's News Hour segment by the Minnesota based

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Speaker 5: special correspondent Fred the Sam Lazaro finally acknowledged the incredible,

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Speaker 5: slow emerging scandal of taxpayer fraud, but the segment ran

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Speaker 5: over seven minutes and only thirty five percent was devoted

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Speaker 5: to the fraud itself. He said, the focus was on

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Speaker 5: President Trump's verbal fireworks and response and ice raads. Uh. So,

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Speaker 5: as you said, even if they do acknowledge the theft

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Speaker 5: of a two billion dollars that was supposed to feed

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Speaker 5: children during the COVID crisis, they have to they have

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Speaker 5: they have to spin it as well. But to punish

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Speaker 5: these people or to actually uh report on this crime,

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Speaker 5: we have to we have to spin it as as

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Speaker 5: racism to to to prosecute these folks. Uh, and you

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Speaker 5: see that across the board when needed, regardless of what

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Speaker 5: the what the topic is. But but yes, there's always

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Speaker 5: this effort to to to to divert the focus to

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Speaker 5: something that that they can pin Trump on.

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Speaker 2: But Craig Banister, weren't we assured by the CEO of

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Speaker 2: Public Broadcasting and the CEOs of NPR that there was

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Speaker 2: they didn't see any bias when it came to there

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Speaker 2: when it came to their news coverage, whether we're talking

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Speaker 2: about cutting congressional Congress was talking about cutting federal funding

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Speaker 2: for these these these news outlets, And weren't we assured

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Speaker 2: by these these these leaders of these organizations that look,

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Speaker 2: this whole notion about bias, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 2: public radio or public television was was way overblown.

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Speaker 5: Well again, and yes, uh, that's that's what they say.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much of it is willful ignorance

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Speaker 5: or just being in a bubble, or or just downright dishonesty,

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Speaker 5: but you can especially I mean there's some shameless self

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Speaker 5: promotion here, but especially if you go to NewsBusters, you'll

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Speaker 5: see over the past several is study after study after

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Speaker 5: study outing the bias at n P r uh and

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Speaker 5: p B s Uh. It's it's blatant. And if you

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Speaker 5: look at the at the staff, also look at their

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Speaker 5: bona fides, you'll see ties to UH, to liberal activism.

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Speaker 5: But again, part of it may just be hubris made

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Speaker 5: believing that that no one can, no one will question them,

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Speaker 5: certainly no one else in the media.

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Speaker 9: UH.

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Speaker 5: But but part of it may just be that that

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Speaker 5: that they're in a bubble and to them it isn't uh,

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Speaker 5: it isn't biased. Uh. But luckily UH, the the the

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Speaker 5: Recision bill passed UH to to claw back some of

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Speaker 5: this money UH that was going to them. And as

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Speaker 5: Plump and others have said, why is the American taxpayer

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Speaker 5: having to pay for bias news?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Actually excellent question.

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Speaker 2: And they You've got all these other outlets out there

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Speaker 2: that manage to do it and manage to get plenty

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Speaker 2: of commercial activity on their outlets. So just let them

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Speaker 2: fight the battle the same way. But of course that's

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Speaker 2: never going to happen. Hey, Craig Banister, our time is gone.

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Speaker 2: We got to run. But as always, I appreciate you,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate everything that MRC does and NewsBusters and

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Speaker 2: CNS News all great websites and keep up the great

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Speaker 2: work there, and I certainly hope we get a.

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Speaker 1: Chance to talk on down the road.

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Speaker 5: Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Craig Banaster from CNS News

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Speaker 2: Managing Editor. Always great to hear those guys. Way In

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Speaker 2: ten twenty six Dan Carrol for Scoonsland on seven hundred

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Speaker 2: WW seven hundred don't we u LW ten thirty nine

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Speaker 2: Dan Carroll in for Scott Sloan and this next segment.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this next segment for I know

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Speaker 2: two or three days now, and you know, when you

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Speaker 2: have a guest on, you want to give a good

872
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Speaker 2: intro and then think about some clever way to introduce

873
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Speaker 2: the next guest. And over the last couple of days,

874
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: I've thought about I don't know, eight or nine or

875
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: ten different ways to try and introduce my next guest.

876
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: So I decided I'm just going to go with what

877
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: it says on his website, America First Global Gentry. Beach

878
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: is the founder. He's an American investor and entrepreneur, a

879
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: strategist dedicated to advancing prosperity through principled capitalism. And I

880
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: could go on and on and on, but Gentry Beach.

881
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: It's great to have you on seven hundred WLW. Thanks

882
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: for being here. How are you today, you know, thank

883
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: you so.

884
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Speaker 7: Much for having me on your wonderful program. I'm actually

885
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 7: coming to you live from Oman today.

886
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: Oman.

887
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: We're working on the transaction over here. So very nice

888
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 2: to be with you. Oh my god, that's absolutely amazing.

889
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: But you have spent time working on the Trump campaign.

890
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: I also read that you are I guess you went

891
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: to college with and you are our friends with Donald

892
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Trump Junior. Tell me about that relationship a little bit.

893
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, we've been we've been social friends for a

894
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 7: long time. We don't do any business together whatsoever, but

895
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 7: we do like the hunt and fish together and do

896
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 7: other things. He's a he's a great guy, and you know,

897
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 7: has done an incredible amount to get his dad elected

898
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 7: and really support support him in embass He's a very

899
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 7: impressive guy.

900
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: The one thing that I have said about President Trump

902
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: over and over and over again is that he is

903
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: he is a businessman, and Trump knows that when it

904
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: comes to business, that peace is good for business. And

905
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: I think that is why. I think that's a major

906
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: component of why he is so dedicated to peaceful negotiations

907
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 2: around the world. And when you look at all these

908
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: different places where he's negotiated, either peace agreements or ceasefires,

909
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: there's always a component of all these agreements. When you

910
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: talk about the Abraham Accords, when you look at what

911
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 2: happened with the Republic of Congo and Rwanda, when you

912
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: look at India and Pakistan and all these other places

913
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: around the world, there's always a component of economic development

914
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: that is a major element of that peace proposal plan.

915
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 2: And I think that's just a part of what Donald

916
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: Trump is really all about and the way he sees

917
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 2: things working in the world that if you're a country

918
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: and you are busy more consumed with economic prosperity and

919
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: what's best for your people, then you're going to be

920
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: too busy with that to worry about fighting wars.

921
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Speaker 1: Am I reading that right?

922
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 6: You couldn't be more right.

923
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 7: I'll selly you as a business guy and I don't

924
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 7: do any politics. I'm purely a business guy kind of

925
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 7: all over the world, and we've been everywhere from Pakistan

926
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 7: and to you know, you name it internationally. We've been

927
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 7: to a lot of locations in the last twelve months.

928
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 6: I mean everywhere we go.

929
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 7: You know, people look at President Trump as not the

930
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 7: president of United States, but the leader of the free world,

931
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 7: someone who stands for peace and prosperity. I will tell

932
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 7: you we were at the very beginning our team was

933
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 7: of the Rwanda DRC peace Agreement and being involved in

934
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Speaker 7: that from a business perspective, obviously, the government does what

935
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 7: they do, and we were very focused on it from

936
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 7: how do we start saving lives? You know, hundreds of

937
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 7: people were dying, thousands of people were dying, and you know,

938
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 7: our focus was to bring prosperity in business to a

939
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Speaker 7: region that's been fighting for a long time and it's

940
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 7: starting to work. And I think if America really steps

941
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 7: into that opportunity and gets on the ground there, which

942
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 7: is what we hope. From a business perspective, you know.

943
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 6: You can really what President Trump wants.

944
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 7: To do is he wants to solve conflicts and problems

945
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 7: with a pin, with smart business, not with bullets. Bullets

946
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 7: are the easy way, and they don't ever work because

947
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 7: there's always a reaction to every action. So if you

948
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 7: can solve those things all around the world, I think

949
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 7: you're going to see the same thing happen soon in

950
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Speaker 7: the Russia Ukraine conflict that's going on right now. Piece

951
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 7: is coming, Piece is coming, and it's going to be

952
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 7: good for everybody, and it's going to be good for

953
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Speaker 7: American companies.

954
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about Russia for a little bit, because

955
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: some of the criticism that a lot of the criticism

956
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: that I'm hearing about Trump right now as it relates

957
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: to his relationship with Russia and Vladimir Putin, is that

958
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 2: Trump is somehow seeking to make Russia an ally of

959
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 2: the United States again, because there's this Russia piece through

960
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 2: business plan that is being worked on right now. And

961
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 2: I have looked at this over the years. Even when

962
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 2: Trump has said complimentary things about Vladimir Putin, I don't

963
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: see that as him acquiescing to Putin. I see that

964
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: as him manipulating pieces on the checks on the chessboard,

965
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: because you are you know, you catch more flies with

966
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: honey than vinegar, is the old saying. And if Trump

967
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 2: can put put in a position to where he's praising

968
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: him on one level, it's going to facilitate a deal

969
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: down the road that is going to lead to what

970
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: Trump wants or the administration wants ultimately, and the deal,

971
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: you know, again, you get back to Trump's business active,

972
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 2: and the deal is a deal that winds up being

973
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: good for all the parties involved. Even though he likes

974
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 2: to come out and say America first, there's obviously a

975
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: component of that that's going to make America better off.

976
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 2: But it's a good deal for everyone if everyone comes

977
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: out ahead at the end. And I see the way

978
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: he deals with Russia, to my way of thinking, is

979
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: positioning himself in the United States to be able to

980
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: cut a deal like that that's going to lead to

981
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: the ultimate goal of ending all this war between Russia

982
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: and Ukraine.

983
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 7: President Trump is playing four dimensional chess.

984
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 6: He is winning. He knows how to win. He is

985
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 6: a winner.

986
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 7: His team with Witkoff and Marco Rubio as well as

987
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 7: even Jared and other people who are helping out tremendously.

988
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 7: I mean, these guys are putting together a great plan.

989
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 7: And what I would tell you is there'll be a

990
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 7: tough on both sides. I think there's no reason why

991
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 7: we shouldn't be close with both sides. I think the

992
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 7: reality is, you know, you and I grew up in

993
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 7: an age of if you remember the movie Red Dawn,

994
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 7: where you know Wolverine, we were worried about the Russians

995
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 7: invading and all this stuff. All that stuff's over. Russia

996
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 7: should be our ally and posts all this. I believe

997
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 7: you're going to see Russia in the US become very

998
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 7: close allies. And I think we'll do a lot of

999
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 7: work with Ukraine too. And I think there's gonna be

1000
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 7: huge opportunities from a business perspective on all sides of

1001
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 7: this that I'm personally very excited about. And I think

1002
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 7: I think there are huge opportunities. To let me give

1003
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 7: you an example. Take the technology that some really really

1004
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 7: bright Russian companies have, like a company like Novatech. They

1005
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 7: have the best modular LNG technology in the world. It's

1006
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 7: the only technology, for example, that we could use as

1007
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 7: a country to unlock stranded natural gas reserves in northern Alaska.

1008
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 7: We can take that technology, which we already have in

1009
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 7: our hands and use it for the benefit of the

1010
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 7: Alaskan people, the people of America, and to export democracy

1011
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 7: all around the world.

1012
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 6: It's an incredible opportunity.

1013
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 7: That's just one small idea, but that small idea can

1014
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 7: increase the GDP of Alaska by more than twenty five

1015
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 7: percent in a very short period of time. So That's

1016
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 7: one kind of example of how I think American partnerships

1017
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 7: can make sense. But there's a long, long list of

1018
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 7: them that I think are coming post piece, and I

1019
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 7: think there's huge opportunities to rebuild Ukraine and do really

1020
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 7: good things with the Ukrainians as well.

1021
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I t lot with Daniel Turner, who's the founder

1022
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 2: of Power of the Future. I don't know if you're

1023
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: familiar that much with him at all, but he spends

1024
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: a lot of time on energy policy, especially as it

1025
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 2: relates to Alaska. And the one thing that we talked

1026
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: about before the re election of Trump or Trump, you know,

1027
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: Trump forty seven was that if there is going to

1028
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: be an economic resurgence in the United States of America,

1029
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: that energy policy is going to be on the forefront

1030
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: of that. And everything that I'm hearing right now and

1031
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 2: everything that I'm seeing right now, is that we really

1032
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 2: are on the cusp on the verge of economic policy

1033
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: that is just going to store driven largely by what

1034
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: happens in the energy sect.

1035
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 6: You're already seeing that.

1036
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 7: I mean, look, just last week they passed some new

1037
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 7: federal legislation to unlocked drilling and unlocked development off the

1038
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 7: coast of California. There's a there's a great group headed

1039
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 7: by Jim Floyes who's doing a tremendous amount of good

1040
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 7: work out there off the coast of California, doing things

1041
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 7: in a smart environmental way, basically redeveloping the old Exxon

1042
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 7: fiells out there. But you're right, Look, the days of

1043
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 7: windmills and solar panels is over. Okay, not that there's

1044
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 7: not certain applications for solar makes a ton of sense,

1045
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 7: But we are in an environment where energy density matters

1046
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 7: and it's a reality. And they can make you believe

1047
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 7: whatever you want with subsidies and all these things, but

1048
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, those things do not

1049
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 7: work from an economic standpoint, and we are going to

1050
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,959
Speaker 7: get back to rational common sense. Coal is a great

1051
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 7: baseload power. It's not going anywhere. In fact, it might

1052
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 7: even increase in a lot of different markets. They can

1053
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 7: do it cleaner and better than they've done it in

1054
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 7: a long time. Natural gas fantastic.

1055
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 6: Look up.

1056
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 7: President Trump's done recently allowing many of these incredible LNG

1057
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 7: producers on the Gulf Coast and other places.

1058
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 6: To export their products all over the world.

1059
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 7: The huge deals there was just a big deal in

1060
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 7: Turkey res where we're now taking huge amounts of American

1061
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 7: powers to over to Turkey in Europe anyway, it's incredible

1062
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 7: if you think about what the Administration's accomplished on energy

1063
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 7: and some of the leadership groups behind that, it's it's

1064
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 7: really it's a it's a great time in American history,

1065
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 7: maybe a once in a generation type situation.

1066
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned solar powers and solar power, solar panels

1067
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: and windmills and things like that, and I want to

1068
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: ask you about that. So much of that, what was

1069
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 2: going on with the you know, the Green Energy deal

1070
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 2: and all the rest of that. When you have the

1071
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: solar power things and the windmills and all that, all

1072
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 2: that was being driven by government subsidies, and a lot

1073
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: of that that we have right now would not exist

1074
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: but for those government subsidies. There may come a time

1075
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: when windmills and solar panels do have a place in

1076
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: the energy sector, but it doesn't that need to come

1077
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: along at its own pace. Doesn't that the industries that

1078
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: want to develop that don't. They need to be able

1079
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: to find that niche on their own and find that

1080
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: sweet spot to where they can produce these things and

1081
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 2: then have a rate of return on that that is

1082
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 2: reasonable and that is driven by you know, market demand

1083
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 2: and prices and just reasonableness instead of government mandate and

1084
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: government subsidies. I think you were better off, yeah, doing

1085
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: it that way then having someone in Washington saying, you know,

1086
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: this has to be done by this amount of time

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Speaker 2: and get it done and paying out all this money

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Speaker 2: for it for things that don't work.

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Speaker 6: You're one hundred percent right. Uh.

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Speaker 7: It's fine at times to get businesses going and help

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Speaker 7: start businesses like we did well for the electric cars

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Speaker 7: and other things, but at some point these things have

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Speaker 7: to stand on their own two feet without subsidies. You

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Speaker 7: can't steal from one to give it to the other.

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Speaker 7: You know, it doesn't make any sense and it sends

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Speaker 7: the wrong message.

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Speaker 6: And uh, I think.

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Speaker 7: We're at a point where these businesses need stand on

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Speaker 7: their own. And the truth of the matter is, in

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Speaker 7: certain applications, there are some applications that work for solar

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Speaker 7: in certain environments, but most of that, like you said,

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Speaker 7: only benefited due to subsidies. So I would tell you

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Speaker 7: very clearly, I think the green energy revolution is over

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Speaker 7: for the time being.

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Speaker 6: And I think in my opinion.

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Speaker 7: It's you know, there are some applications of certain technologies

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01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 7: that help in one way or another that do stand

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Speaker 7: on their own, but most of them do not. So anyway,

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Speaker 7: we're We're excited about what's happening from a natural clean,

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Speaker 7: natural gas perspective, and I'm really happy to see President

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Speaker 7: Trump and the administration also helping baseload coal, which is

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Speaker 7: such an important driver for America from a baseload power standpoint.

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Speaker 7: I also think, you know, we're starting to look at

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Speaker 7: nuclear power again, which is, you know, some of the

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Speaker 7: least expensive power in the world and makes a ton

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Speaker 7: of sense. So all of these things can be big winners,

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Speaker 7: and we.

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Speaker 6: Meet all of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, genter Beach before alright, I let you go.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at your website, America First Global, and I'm

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 2: thinking about signing up for your newsletter. Tell me about

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01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: America First Global. And if I signed up for your newsletter,

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Speaker 2: what am I going to get?

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Speaker 7: Well, Look, at the end of the day, our job

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Speaker 7: is economic diplomacy. Our job is to do good things

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Speaker 7: around the world and create value in the right American way.

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Speaker 7: So you'll see consistent messaging from US and consistent opportunities

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Speaker 7: out there right now. We have several large projects we're

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Speaker 7: working on that we're very excited about, everything from Alaska

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Speaker 7: to some international coal opportunities. So we're very focused on

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Speaker 7: doing what's best for America and creating a lot of

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Speaker 7: jobs and creating a lot of opportunities for companies here.

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Speaker 7: So thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jenifery beachs great talking to you. Keep up

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Speaker 2: the great work, and I certainly hope we get a

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Speaker 2: chance to talk on down the road. But happy holidays

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01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: and Merry Christmas and New Year and all that, and

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Speaker 2: keep up the great work.

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Speaker 7: God bless you and your listeners, and thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: It's the most exciting time, I think in American history.

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Speaker 6: So let's go make it happen.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time I've had a guest joined

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Speaker 2: me from Oman, so I'm very excited about that. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna write that down in my note.

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Speaker 6: Wonderful. Well, it's a blessing being with y'all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, Gentry be thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's there's a rich guy who's all involved in

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Speaker 2: energy policy and energy policy in his countries. Is is

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Speaker 2: really it's it's going to be on the verge, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to make economics in this country

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Speaker 2: really take off and uh and and probably be something

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Speaker 2: like most of us have never seen before. Uh, something

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Speaker 2: that we have seen before. Are the Bengals coming up short?

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking at the highlights right now on ESPN,

1156
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: they're showing the Bengals Bills highlights from yesterday. Sean McMahon,

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Speaker 2: are were you upset yesterday watching the Bengals and.

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Speaker 1: The Bills do what they did? Not hardly? He wasn't upset.

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Speaker 2: To say, couldn't someone figure out that Josh Allen might

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Speaker 2: run the ball? Couldn't anyone affiliated with the Bengals figure

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Speaker 2: that out that that may happen. We'll talk to Austin

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Speaker 2: Elmore about that coming up. What they're talking about is

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen good enough to overcome the Bill's bad defense?

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Speaker 2: Do the Bills really have bad defense? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but it was better than the Bengals defense. I know that,

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Speaker 2: and the Bengals won the game. So we'll do a

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Speaker 2: little breakdown of that as we continue on. Then an

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Speaker 2: eleven thirty Chris Smitheman is going to weigh in on

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Speaker 2: all this stuff going on in Cincinnati with the eight

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Speaker 2: point one million dollar settlement that's going out the mayor

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Speaker 2: and his is he being truthful about his car being

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Speaker 2: repossessed and all the rest of that. So we will

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Speaker 2: see how those things develop on down the road. We

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Speaker 2: got to get to a break right now. Little news

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Speaker 2: coming up at the top of the hour, and we

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01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: will continue on. Dan Carroll in for Scott's loan on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred W seven hundred wow, Dan Carroll for Scott's

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Speaker 2: loan and Sean mcmanhn go ahead and hit that play.

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Speaker 14: Allan touching his rib area. That's a signal to the

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Speaker 14: receiver out to the left, Alan back to throw pump fakes.

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Speaker 14: Begin scrambling the middle of the field. He is close

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Speaker 14: to the first down, He's got it. Then Buffalo is

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Speaker 14: going to win the game. Josh Allen on third and

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Speaker 14: fifteen scrambles for a seventeen yard game.

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Speaker 2: Austin Olmore, You heard Dave Lapham. Yeah, when it looked

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Speaker 2: like Josh Allen was going to run, he could see

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Speaker 2: it from the booth. There was no one within fifteen

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Speaker 2: yards in Yeah, and I think that play in a

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Speaker 2: nutshell pretty much sums up the Bengals season. Man, I mean, coming,

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Speaker 2: come on, did anyone affiliated with the Cincinnati Bengals think

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Speaker 2: that there was a possibility Josh Allen might run the ball?

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Speaker 2: Do we not know this is what he does? I mean,

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Speaker 2: is there any conceivable way they might have schemed to

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Speaker 2: prevent these sort of things from happening? Because he ran

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Speaker 2: the ball multiple times in that game for a lot

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Speaker 2: of yard.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many charges. He had seventy eight

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Speaker 1: yards on the ground. Yeah, he had his season high

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Speaker 1: on the ground this year was forty nine. We know

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Speaker 1: that he is maybe the most prolific running quarterback of

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Speaker 1: all time, up there with Lamar Jackson. The rules of

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Speaker 1: engagement for dealing with Josh Allen are not hard to find,

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Speaker 1: especially this season where his high was forty nine yards

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Speaker 1: on the ground. And yet the Bengals were undisciplined on

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Speaker 1: the edge. They didn't set a spy, they couldn't tackle.

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Speaker 1: They blitzed the hell out of him for some reason.

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Speaker 1: He's one of those quarterbacks you can't blitz. They ran

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Speaker 1: a ton of man coverage which allowed him, you know,

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: to see defenders with their back turn to him and

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01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: take off and on top of that, he's just a

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01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: really good player, and they didn't do enough to take

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Speaker 1: away the biggest strength of Buffalo, which is Josh Allen's

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Speaker 1: ability to run the ball. It was as in that

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Speaker 1: saw didn't occur to them during the course of their

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01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: preparation for this game that they if they were going

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Speaker 1: to have any chance, any chance in hell of getting

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Speaker 1: to the postseason, they had to win this game. And

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Speaker 1: when Buffalo there was a situation early on where Buffalo

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Speaker 1: had a four I think it was fourth and four

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Speaker 1: and then a fourth and fourth, yeah, and then they

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: didn't hesitate at all to go on fourth down and

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Speaker 1: wound up I think on a couple of those plays

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Speaker 1: what they gained seventeen yards on one and maybe twenty

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Speaker 1: or thirty on another one. It was this, I knew

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: we were struggling to find the world. I knew we

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01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 1: were in trouble last week when the defense played a

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Speaker 1: pretty good game against Baltimore. And all we heard this

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Speaker 1: past week was, Hey, the defense has woken up. We've

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Speaker 1: got some serious players there. They're really gonna, you know,

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Speaker 1: turn things around. And then we go to the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: go to Buffalo, almost said we the Bengals go to

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01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo and then lay an egg on the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball was just embarrassing. Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think you know, the point that I've tried to make

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Speaker 1: at times this year is that you can't allow the

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01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: previous three games to let you forget about the first eleven,

1237
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: which is, you know, just how bad this Bengals defense

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: has been. And I think sometimes we fall into that trap. Now, Buffalo,

1239
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: specifically from a matchup standpoint, their play action, their tight ends,

1240
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 1: those crossing routes, getting those linebackers in conflict, that's their

1241
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 1: bread and butter. It is what they're off is built around.

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: It is the Bengals' biggest weakness. Now, some of these

1243
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: teams that the Bengals have played in recent weeks, that's

1244
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: not what they do, that's not what they're found upon,

1245
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: and the Bengals were just a better schematic fit for

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01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: those teams. This game was always going to be difficult,

1247
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: just because Buffalo does what it does, and they do

1248
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: it really well, and the Bengals players aren't good enough

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01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: to consistently get off the field. That being said, they

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: had multiple fourth and force where Buffalo converted. There was

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: one where Josh Allen was just Josh Allen. He's gonna

1252
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame. One day he threw

1253
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 1: a ball through one defender's hands and over the shoulder

1254
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: pad of another, right into a perfect spot. Nothing you

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: can do. The Bengals also dropped two interceptions. Jordan Battle

1256
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: dropped one. DJ Turner dropped one. Bengals win the game

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01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: if that happens, Like the margin for error is so

1258
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 1: unbelievably thin that if Joe Burrow has the ball slip

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01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: out of his hands as he's trying to push it

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: to Jamar Chase, you can't cover from that. Or a

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: batted ball that happens constantly across the NFL falls right

1262
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: into the hands of another defender. It's just you said

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: it earlier. Yesterday's game kind of epitomizes the entire season.

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: All of it happened in one game.

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01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 2: Because you can't rely on the defense for any Didn't

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: Buffalo punt yesterday?

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01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: They did not. There's one punt in the game. It

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01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 1: was by the bank. Yes, they didn't punt a single time.

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: Didn't punt. Now they turned it over inside that one again.

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01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: Apparently the Bengals are the best defense in the history

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01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: of the NFL inside the one yard line, if you

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01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: remember that Patriots game and then the Ravens last week

1273
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: and then again this week. But yeah, didn't force a punt,

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01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 1: didn't get off the field, didn't have that big play

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01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 1: to give yourself a chance. And the other thing too,

1276
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: is you know, it's just down down the hall talking

1277
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: with Tony Pike on the forty yard touchdown run by

1278
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: Josh Allen that brings it to twenty four to seventeen

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01:13:56,240 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: I think, or whatever it was, forty one left in

1280
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: the game, something along those lines. If you make them

1281
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:10,839
Speaker 1: use two more minutes, three more minutes, different plan on offense,

1282
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: different execution, probably a different result. But because you give

1283
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 1: up a touchdown like that in two plays sixty yards,

1284
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: because they can't just force a team to chew clock

1285
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: or make them work for it, we get this result.

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: Are we done entertaining the notion now that the Bengals

1287
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: will see postseason play?

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: I'm not, and I'll tell you why. Eight and listen.

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01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 1: I know it sounds ridiculous. Do Pittsburgh and Baltimore scare

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:47,520
Speaker 1: you at all? Baltimore? Baltimore? I think is done at Baltimore.

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01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 2: I was surprised how bad Baltimore looked yesterday.

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01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: Baltimore, I think is done and the Bengals can finish

1293
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: them off this week at home. I wouldn't be surprised

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01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: at off the Bengals beat them again. So that's number one.

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: Number two Pittsburgh. They have to go play Miami in

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: Miami on a on a Monday night, not easy to

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: travel on the road in primetime, and Miami is playing

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01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:07,799
Speaker 1: awesome football.

1299
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers yesterday looked like a completely different guy. That's

1300
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: that's a fair point. He was having fun. I mean,

1301
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 2: but Josh, Josh, Aaron Rodgers that we saw yesterday completely different.

1302
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: But Pittsburgh still has to play Miami, who's playing really well,

1303
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, who are fighting for their playoff lives, Cleveland,

1304
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: who has as good of a defense as there is

1305
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL yesterday notwithstanding, and Baltimore again. So it's

1306
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: not out of the realm of possibility. I'm just saying,

1307
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's nuts. It's not nuts. If the

1308
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: Bengals are to win out, and I know that is

1309
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: a massive if, and there is nothing to really stand

1310
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: on other than they could and the Steelers maybe come

1311
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: down a little bit from the way they played. They

1312
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: almost blew that game yesterday, by the way then and

1313
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: without a bad call by the officials, they probably do

1314
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: lose that.

1315
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 2: You think they think that was a touchdown by likely

1316
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:07,879
Speaker 2: should have been a touchdown.

1317
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: You think, so that's touchdown. But either way, I mean,

1318
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: if Baltimore can beat them, you never know in that

1319
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: rivalry over the last thirty games fifteen and fifteen between

1320
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: Harball and Tomlin. So now that Tomlin won one, Hardball's due.

1321
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's not crazy for the Bengals to

1322
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: win the AFC North if Pittsburgh falters in any of

1323
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 1: those games against teams that you know they're evenly matched with,

1324
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: to say the least. The Bengals went out and Baltimore

1325
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: has to play New England and Green Bay, both of

1326
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: those on the road. Those teams are both pretty good,

1327
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 1: and if the Bengals beat them, they're done. Wow. Well, no,

1328
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's going to happen. You guys got

1329
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about down in the hall day,

1330
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh we do. Yeah, I mean this is we haven't

1331
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 1: even got into the college football playoff yet, which is

1332
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: fascinating in and of itself complete dumpster fire.

1333
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: So you are not ready to to write off the season?

1334
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: Why should I?

1335
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow played awesome yesterday and the level of opponent

1336
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: is not going to match that at all the rest

1337
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: of the year.

1338
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 11: Three.

1339
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: How do you explain the back to back under three

1340
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: of the last four are at home? How do I

1341
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: explain just dumb? It was the right call, it was

1342
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: the right read. I think the ball slipped out of

1343
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 1: his hands and he kind of pushed it and Benford

1344
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: made a great play, and then the second one was

1345
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: just unlucky. I know everybody wants to blame Joe Burrow

1346
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: and people are getting mad about that. I thought Jamar

1347
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: Chase was going to catch him. Yeah, that was I

1348
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: thought Burrow was going to tackle him and didn't. He

1349
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: didn't really wrap that up. Didn't wrap him up though.

1350
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: He's got a bad risk, I guess, But yeah, I

1351
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: know it's uh. I don't put all of it on Joe,

1352
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: Like I was yelling, come on, Jamar Chase. Yeah, if

1353
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: he would have had like a better grip on that ball,

1354
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: maybe he can change the arm angle, maybe he floats

1355
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: it over. It's not going to go for a touchdown.

1356
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: But it would have been a completion for yards. Keep

1357
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: it moving. It was the right read. And if you

1358
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: look at it, it's a run pass option. On the

1359
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: other end, let's say he hands it off, it was

1360
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a tackle for a loss because the

1361
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: offensive line got destroyed. So it was the right, right decision.

1362
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 1: Bad execution by the Bengals, great execution by Benford, made

1363
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: a great play.

1364
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: You know, the one and one of the storylines that

1365
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: has cropped up in a lot of these games this

1366
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: year is that the end result has overshadowed so many

1367
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 2: really good performances. The way Flacco played against against the Jets,

1368
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: the way he played against the Bears, all that totally overlooked,

1369
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 2: totally forgotten. Yeah, some of the catches that were made

1370
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: yesterday by especially T Higgins. Yeah, just I mean, unbelievable

1371
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 2: and and all that, all that is forgotten now. It's

1372
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: so it's it's all dust in the wind. Very very

1373
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: similar to last season.

1374
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: And that big old l up there, Yeah, very similar

1375
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: to last season. Burrow had the best season in the

1376
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: history of this franchise and was certainly could have and

1377
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 1: maybe should have won the MVP Award. Jamar Chase triple

1378
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: crown doesn't matter. They didn't make the playoffs, and now,

1379
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: for the first time since twenty twenty, they're gonna finish

1380
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: the season with the losing record, which is kind of

1381
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: hard to believe that they haven't had a losing record

1382
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: considering some of the situations they've been in. But since

1383
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,759
Speaker 1: they lost the AFC Championship game in January of twenty three,

1384
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: so that twenty twenty two season, since they lost that game,

1385
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: they're twenty two and twenty five. It's not good. It's

1386
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: not good. And their defense in those three seasons has

1387
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: been among the worst in the history of the National

1388
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: Football League.

1389
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: So you will wait till after next week or one

1390
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 2: more loss for the Bengals, were until they're mathematically eliminated

1391
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: to talk about what should happen in the postseason.

1392
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 1: No, no, they talk about all that stuff. No, yeah,

1393
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: of course, yeah, when this season is still alive, it is.

1394
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't change. That's the point though. That's the point though,

1395
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: is you can't allow what happens between yesterday and the

1396
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: end of this season to change what you've already seen

1397
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: for the first fourteen weeks.

1398
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to be upset by this, but

1399
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: I am what are you upset about? Because it's just

1400
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 2: it is so much is there for the taking? Oh yeah,

1401
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: for sure? And to let these opportunities? What is this

1402
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 2: Joe Burrows six or seventh year in the league season, Yeah,

1403
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 2: sixth The guy is in the prime of his NFL career.

1404
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: And that window, I mean, we can see we can

1405
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: see that, you know that windows starting to and and

1406
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's closing, but I mean, is this

1407
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: something And I think I heard Tony Pike talking about

1408
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 2: this a couple of days ago. Is this the sort

1409
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: of situation you can fix in one off season or

1410
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 2: two off seasons? Or do we need a couple more

1411
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 2: rounds where we nail we nail some draft picks.

1412
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: The these are supposed to be the golden years of

1413
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: being football and Duke Tobin and the front office have

1414
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: failed Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and t Higgins because they

1415
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: have not given them a good enough defense to keep

1416
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 1: them in games. Again, you don't need the defense to

1417
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: be the number one defense in the NFL. You don't

1418
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 1: need them to be number ten. You could survive on

1419
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: seventeenth if they had the seventeenth best defense in the NFL.

1420
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 1: This year, they'd probably be the number two seed in

1421
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: the afc' that's how thin the margin is. To answer

1422
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 1: your question, though, I do believe it can be fixed

1423
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. Number one. Again, we're not trying

1424
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: to go from thirty two to one. You're trying to

1425
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,440
Speaker 1: go from thirty two to twenty. Can you get the twentieth?

1426
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: I know that's a low bar, but going into next year,

1427
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: they already have sixty four million dollars in cap space.

1428
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: That's a lot. You're not gonna bring back Trey Hendrickson,

1429
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna let him walk, and you can probably bring

1430
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: back Joe's of OSI or Miles Murphy on team friendly deals,

1431
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: and that's still going to provide a lot of space

1432
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 1: for you to bring in players on defense. And you

1433
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: haven't even restructured Joe Burrow's contract.

1434
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,719
Speaker 2: Getting if getting a stop on on third and fifteen

1435
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: is asking too much for this group, it is. I

1436
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:22,759
Speaker 2: think these things are asking too much.

1437
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: For them to get better players. Yeah, okay, I mean

1438
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: they certainly have failed in the draft, but they have tried.

1439
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 1: Now trying, it doesn't matter if you don't execute. But

1440
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like, Okay, we have to strip

1441
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: this thing down and rebuild it. I think they can

1442
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: be competitive again next year.

1443
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,799
Speaker 2: The AutoZone Liberty Bowl January two, Memphis, Tennessee.

1444
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: How does that sit with UC fans? M I don't

1445
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: know that anyone that cares.

1446
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: I would rather them have gone to the Snoop Dog Bowl.

1447
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: I want to.

1448
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,759
Speaker 2: I want to see what the idea, what the Snoop

1449
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,719
Speaker 2: Dog Bowl is all about?

1450
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: It just I think I think it pretty much sums

1451
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: it up. Snoop dog He doesn't get enough time on television.

1452
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, does he? Yeah? Well, I think

1453
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: does it do the national anthem and everything? Yeah? Could

1454
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: you imagine Snoop Dogg singing the national anthem?

1455
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 4: He's not.

1456
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 2: He's not really a good say. Can you see? Because

1457
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: I watched Snoop do O double G. I watched his

1458
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: voice a little bit, and he's the he sings from time.

1459
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 2: He seems like a girly guy. I mean, he's like

1460
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 2: an awesome vibe. Personality wise, he's fantastic. I don't know

1461
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: that I need the Snoop Dog Bowl.

1462
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I think seventy five percent of the bowl games these

1463
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: days are pointless.

1464
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: Miami University is going to be in that we should

1465
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 2: we should put that broadcast.

1466
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: Are there is Miami going to the Snoop dogg Bawl?

1467
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: I think I think I saw that. Good for Universo.

1468
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: I think that's two years in a row they're in

1469
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: the Snoop Dog Bowl. That's big for them. I guess

1470
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. Gosh, I don't get I don't care at

1471
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 1: all about these bowl games that are not playoff games.

1472
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: Don't you think they're a little oversaturated?

1473
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's well, I mean someone's making money on him,

1474
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 2: so they're gonna happen.

1475
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I'll get it.

1476
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 2: But if you don't make, if you don't make the

1477
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: playoff games, then yeah, and good.

1478
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: The players don't want to.

1479
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: Play good for play I mean a lot of these

1480
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: guys for UC are they gonna Nobody knows.

1481
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine that Brendan Soresby would play

1482
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: if the reports out there are true that he's being

1483
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: offered four million dollars what allegedly play quarterback? Uh, we

1484
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,240
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I know, I know last year

1485
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 1: he got a pretty good offer from from Notre Dame.

1486
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: I think he's upset he left Indiana now, man, I

1487
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,799
Speaker 1: bet Kurt Signette's happy left he found somebody.

1488
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 2: But uh wow, by the way, how about that game

1489
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 2: that that was all of the football game?

1490
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the way that the Indiana I mean

1491
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 1: that game was just it was theater in the trenches.

1492
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 1: The way that those two teams play each other, especially

1493
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: on defense, I mean that was it was.

1494
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: It was like the throwback to what Big Ten football. Yeah,

1495
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,080
Speaker 2: it used to be exactly right. A lot of pots.

1496
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:04,400
Speaker 2: That was a dirt field. It was a lot of

1497
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 2: three It really was.

1498
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: It was. I wouldn't say it from my perspective as

1499
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 1: an Ohio State fan that it was fun to watch,

1500
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: but it was interesting and I think it was good

1501
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: for Ohio State to kind of get punched in them

1502
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: Mount States. Bigger fish to fry they do. There are

1503
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: there are bigger goals for Ohio State than the Big

1504
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: Ten championship.

1505
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1506
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 1: Still pretty big though. But yeah, I'm glad the committee

1507
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: did the right thing by not like moving them down

1508
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: to three or four. A three point loss in Indianapolis

1509
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 1: against Indiana, you probably could have at least tied it

1510
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: except chip shot field goal was missed. They only knocked

1511
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 1: them down one spot. I thought that was a good

1512
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: thing in Indianapolis. No, it's in there every it's there

1513
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: every year. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's where they're headquartered. So

1514
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: couldn't get better. The hoois all right, what are you

1515
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: guys talking about? On fifteen thirty two, We're going to

1516
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: be talking a lot about the Bengals, to Tony's chagrin.

1517
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: We will talk about the Crosstown shootout because Xavier won again,

1518
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: which I think is that it was a great game.

1519
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that find out if I'm to say,

1520
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: it looks kind of like you is that your son?

1521
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: I wish he wish he was. All right, we will

1522
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: talk about that a lot of a lot of Bengals

1523
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm sure Tony has given up and I'll

1524
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: do what we just did and chart the past. Uh

1525
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: and that'll be fun. But yeah, Monday shows are great,

1526
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: a lot to talk.

1527
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: I also saw war Skyline has a pizza now, Oh really, yes, okay,

1528
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 2: you you have not event I have not tried that.

1529
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 1: If some shows up here at the station, then you'll oh, yeah,

1530
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,759
Speaker 1: I've made a Skyline pizza myself in the past. It's sensation.

1531
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: You were obviously ahead of the car. Yeah, absolutely, it's

1532
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: a great great for Super Bowl Sunday skyline. Maybe we'll

1533
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: be watching the Bengals Austin. We'll see you later on

1534
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: seven hundred W l W.

1535
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,760
Speaker 2: Tiger on the Big One, seven hundred W l W

1536
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: eleven thirty nine, coming down the home stretch. Dan Carroll

1537
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 2: in for or Scottsloan, Bill Cunningham, The Great American is

1538
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: coming up at twelve noon, so you want to be

1539
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 2: here for that. When I saw this story over the

1540
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: weekend about the eight point one million dollars that the

1541
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,799
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati is going to pay out to people

1542
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: who were rioting in the streets of downtown Cincinnati, I

1543
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 2: wrote this Cincinnati where criminals do no time, where punks

1544
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 2: and agitators can riot and get paid, and the politicians

1545
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 2: and judges who allow it to happen get re elected

1546
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 2: on a regular basis. Of course, we couldn't let this

1547
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: story pass without having our buddy Chris Smithman, the one

1548
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 2: time Vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati, the head

1549
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 2: of the Law and Public Safety Committee, weigh in on

1550
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 2: this as well. Chris Smitheman, great to have you here.

1551
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: Is that a fair statement that I wrote that punks

1552
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 2: and agitators can riot and get paid by the city

1553
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. Are is that the message that we are

1554
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,679
Speaker 2: going to send when this settlement gets approved?

1555
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know when you think about this, And

1556
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,839
Speaker 3: I said this publicly and I'll say it again here,

1557
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 3: the city did not have to settle Dan Care. The

1558
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 3: city could have fought this and said I'm going to

1559
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 3: go to a jury trial. I'm going to present evidence,

1560
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 3: and I'm going to allow a jury to make the decision.

1561
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 8: Right.

1562
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: They knew before the election that we just had which

1563
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 3: is another problem, that they were moving or had probably

1564
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 3: already disettled this case. So this is all gamesmanship from

1565
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 3: the elected officials downtown. You know, I heard the beginning,

1566
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 3: which I just think is riveting. You're the lawyer for

1567
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 3: the gentleman who was viciously attacked in downtown, who city

1568
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 3: call called a white racist, who said council members said,

1569
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 3: I've got one in the chamber, and you got forty

1570
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 3: eight hours to arrest somebody white. You heard that lawyer say,

1571
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna settle, I'm gonna go to a jury trial.

1572
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 3: Now what he's saying here is that a city you

1573
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 3: are better be prepared to come into a court and

1574
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: explain your actions, not just from the public, but specifically

1575
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 3: the members of council, the President pro Tien who said

1576
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 3: that Holly, who was almost, in my estimation, was almost

1577
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:29,200
Speaker 3: murdered when she hit the ground, You're gonna have to

1578
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 3: come in the court and explain your words to us.

1579
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 3: And you know what's going to happen, Dan Carroll. At

1580
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 3: the end of that trial, they're gonna say this man

1581
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 3: did not start the fight. Because we've seen the videos.

1582
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 3: We now know that he didn't start the fight, and

1583
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,800
Speaker 3: so we know that the city's gonna have to settle

1584
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 3: the case. Now, if we just gave this these group

1585
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 3: of people eight or ten million, because the lawyers are

1586
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 3: gonna get two million, know that they're gonna there's gonna

1587
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 3: be another level of judgment bombs in the next couple

1588
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 3: of years for this case that we're talking about, where

1589
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 3: at the music festival we had a group of people

1590
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 3: that were viciously attacked and ambushed and clearly we can

1591
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 3: see that they didn't start the fight. We also have

1592
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 3: Chief Washington, this administration fired him wrongly. A judge has

1593
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:20,520
Speaker 3: already said you all fired him wrongly. It was appealed.

1594
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 3: They lost. They're in settlements case. They're in settlement talks

1595
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 3: right now, but there was a trial at least there

1596
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 3: was there was discussion, and ultimately the judge looked at

1597
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 3: them and said, you're going to lose. Now we got

1598
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 3: Chief Fiji, our police chief, who's now negotiating. So this

1599
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 3: isn't just the ten million that I believe. It is

1600
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 3: a two million to the lawyers in eight point one

1601
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 3: million in settlement too, as you've indicated, twelve thousand or

1602
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 3: so per person. When you put all these cases together,

1603
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 3: you're probably talking about twenty million dollars or north of that.

1604
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 3: Because we don't know what this gentleman is going to

1605
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 3: get from downtown. He might get ten or fifteen million

1606
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 3: dollars himself because you called him a racist on the

1607
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 3: national stage. How does he repair How does that man

1608
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 3: repair his reputation when you have the President pro tien,

1609
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: the Chair of Law and Public Safety, members of council

1610
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 3: saying go arrest somebody white. So when you when you

1611
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 3: talk about this to me, it's the context, Dan Carroll,

1612
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 3: of all of that together, and this is the most

1613
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 3: outrageous thing that you would see because in the future,

1614
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen is we have some incident that's that's

1615
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 3: five hundred miles away from the city of Cincinnati, and

1616
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 3: which we had nothing to do with George Floyd, meaning

1617
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 3: our officers did not suffocate George Floyd. We have nothing

1618
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 3: to do with it. But people decided they were going

1619
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 3: to come down and block our highways and set things

1620
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 3: on fire and break into businesses. And one officer was shot.

1621
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 3: He had a helmet on, so his ballistic helmet stopped him.

1622
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 3: If not, we would have one of our officers killed

1623
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 3: in down town. You're gonna you're gonna pay out eight

1624
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 3: point one million dollars. And I want the president of

1625
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 3: the FOP to understand that the position here from the

1626
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 3: city is the problem is the city should have fought

1627
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 3: the case and said we're going to go to trial.

1628
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 3: We're gonna put we're gonna put everybody on trial and

1629
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 3: figure it out, not get in a room and settle

1630
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 3: the case and make the taxpayers pay that kind of money.

1631
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,720
Speaker 2: So part of this settlement includes the creation of a

1632
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:31,320
Speaker 2: guidebook that establishes former standard formal standards for dealing with

1633
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 2: protests and similar events, a standard for dispersal orders that

1634
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: police used during civil unrest, and updated procedures for mass

1635
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 2: arrests at the Hamilton County Municipal Court.

1636
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: So, Chris Smitheman, we are you know.

1637
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 2: They they talk about how well the settlement doesn't you know,

1638
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 2: accepts no blame or it doesn't it doesn't find fault

1639
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 2: with the City of Cincinnati. But now we have to

1640
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: go back and say our police officers need additional training.

1641
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 2: Is IRA really going to be in charge of the

1642
01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:04,560
Speaker 2: training now? Is are we going to hear from some

1643
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 2: community organizers on how police ought to deal with these issues?

1644
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:10,479
Speaker 1: Now?

1645
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Are we going to say that the mayor is powerless

1646
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 2: to issue an emergency order for a curfew when there

1647
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,759
Speaker 2: is damage and and vandalism being committed on the streets

1648
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, that we have to refer now to this

1649
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,600
Speaker 2: guidebook in order to see how to deal with that,

1650
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 2: that the mayor can't exercise his proper his or her

1651
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,879
Speaker 2: proper powers to deal with these situations in the future.

1652
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 2: And then, Chris Smitheman, what if you're one of the

1653
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 2: ones who are out there and did not get arrested,

1654
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 2: did not spend the night. And I'm told by people

1655
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 2: who are close to the situation that this notion that

1656
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 2: there weren't bathrooms available, a water or a blanket because

1657
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: they might have spent the night waiting to be processed

1658
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 2: into the justice center. What about the people who didn't

1659
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 2: get arrested, who didn't spend the night out there? How

1660
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 2: do you reconcile that If someone right next to you

1661
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 2: who did get arrested winds up getting a twelve thousand

1662
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 2: dollars payday and you're sitting there with nothing, how do

1663
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 2: you how do you deal with that if you're one

1664
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 2: of those people?

1665
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think you reconcile it, Dan Carrol.

1666
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 3: But at the heart of it is the problem here

1667
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:25,639
Speaker 3: is that the city didn't fight the nonsense. Right they

1668
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 3: surrender to it.

1669
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: Go to court.

1670
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 3: That's the whole part. Court, that's the whole that. Let's

1671
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 3: go to court.

1672
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: Come on, how committed are you to direct that's it.

1673
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,439
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's rock and roll. I'm gonna I'm going

1674
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 3: to bring my best to the table, even if I

1675
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 3: have to hire outside council and pay them a million

1676
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 3: dollars to fight you because of the implication of losing

1677
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 3: control of the the strong mayor to make decisions like

1678
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 3: a curfew here. I mean, you're neutering the mayor. When

1679
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 3: you do these kinds of things, this is a horrific

1680
01:34:57,160 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 3: decision of public policy. And the money that they're paying out,

1681
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 3: it's just it's just completely out rapist. Let me also

1682
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 3: say that John Cranley, if he's listening, if his father

1683
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 3: and mother are listening, you know, if his wife is listening,

1684
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 3: his son is listening. John Cranley, you are a great mayor.

1685
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 3: You made the right decision at the right time. You

1686
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 3: saved our city from being put on fire. Right, this

1687
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 3: is this is where you have the blue dog Democrats

1688
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 3: like the John Cranleys, the Tom Lukens, the Charlie Lucins,

1689
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 3: who really don't exist anymore. They've been marginalized by this

1690
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 3: very liberal left part of the Democratic Party. And and

1691
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 3: anybody who doesn't believe that the left has taken over

1692
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:42,520
Speaker 3: the city of Cincinnati. These are the kinds of decisions

1693
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 3: because because our mayor, our city manager, nor the city

1694
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 3: solicitor had to settle this case, they made the decision

1695
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 3: we're gonna settle the case. I believe that this thing

1696
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 3: would have gone to trial. They wouldn't have found a

1697
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 3: jury in our in our county, in our state. Even

1698
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 3: if they had moved venue, they wouldn't have found anybody

1699
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 3: that would have said that our Mayor John Cranley and

1700
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 3: facing that what was happening with George Floyd, with highways

1701
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 3: and streets being blocked, things set on fire, businesses being robbed,

1702
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 3: an officer being shocked, that we're gonna sit back and

1703
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,639
Speaker 3: pay eight point one million dollars out to anybody. Now,

1704
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 3: the peaceful protesters, you and I aren't discussing. I don't

1705
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 3: you know. I can engage in a peaceful protest. That's

1706
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 3: that's not the issue. And so the people who protested peacefully,

1707
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't have a beef with that. That's why I

1708
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 3: love this country. My first Amendment right, my second Amendment right,

1709
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 3: there's no issue with that.

1710
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 6: Visu here is that.

1711
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 3: Every everybody wasn't doing that if and there wouldn't have

1712
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 3: been fires, streets blocked, businesses robbed and broken into. So

1713
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 3: everybody wasn't peaceful, and so you're rewarding that bad behavior,

1714
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: Dan Carroll, And that's what you're worried about. And at

1715
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 3: the backdrop of it, and I'm gonna say this publicly,

1716
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 3: is that this is a way that people try to

1717
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 3: say racism. This is about racism. This is about white

1718
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:10,840
Speaker 3: people doing stuff to African Americans, African Americans, and not

1719
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 3: that everybody that was arrested with African American. That's not

1720
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's this notion that our institution in

1721
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: itself is racist and that we weren't out there doing

1722
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,679
Speaker 3: our job the city that we're governed to protect, we're

1723
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 3: sworn to protect. And you're gonna see that come out

1724
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 3: in the trial of the white guy who was beat

1725
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 3: up and ambushed in downtown. His lawyer is taking the

1726
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 3: right position that our city solicitors should have taken. Let's

1727
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 3: take this thing to court. I'm not gonna settle. We're

1728
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 3: gonna I want a trial. I want you to dismiss

1729
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,719
Speaker 3: all of the all of the dog one charges against

1730
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 3: my client, because when that's all over, you know what's

1731
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 3: gonna happen. He's gonna sue the city of Cincinnati and win.

1732
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: Well, Chris smitheman.

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01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: When I look back and I remember those times in May,

1734
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 2: in late May, in the beginning of June and twenty twenty,

1735
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 2: I remember telling my wife, what are we going to

1736
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,759
Speaker 2: watch on TV tonight?

1737
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to turn the riots on.

1738
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: There are riots happening all across the country, city after

1739
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 2: city where there were police cars being overturned, businesses on fire,

1740
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 2: there were demonstrations and fights going on out in the streets.

1741
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 2: And then these individuals tried to bring the same thing

1742
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,719
Speaker 2: to the city of Cincinnati. And guess what, it didn't

1743
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,680
Speaker 2: happen in the city of Cincinnati because of the actions

1744
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 2: they were taken by our law enforcement and by Mayor

1745
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 2: John Cramley. I had my differences with John Cranley over

1746
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 2: the years, but I think in this instance he did

1747
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,639
Speaker 2: the exact right thing. Put the curfew in place, shut

1748
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 2: it down, limited the damage, and did what was right

1749
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,959
Speaker 2: for the people of Cincinnati. And he said, he commented

1750
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 2: on the Fox nineteen piece that was put out over

1751
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 2: the weekend, he said that curfew in our police department

1752
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 2: saved our city when other cities were burning. Everything I

1753
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 2: saw was of the utmost profe essonalism and restraint, and

1754
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 2: their actions saved our city. I want the record to

1755
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 2: show that they did a great job. And so now

1756
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 2: we have to for all these protesters who were out

1757
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,799
Speaker 2: there and and claimed about you that, you know, they

1758
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 2: they might have been a little uncomfortable when they were

1759
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 2: getting booked into the Hamilton County Justice Center. That we're

1760
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 2: going to cough up eight point one million dollars to

1761
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 2: satisfy them and make this go away, and then set

1762
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 2: ourselves up for future protesters to do the exact same thing.

1763
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 2: To me, is just despicable and there's no way this

1764
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 2: should be happening.

1765
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you something that happened to me.

1766
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 3: I parked when I was parking at City Hall. You're

1767
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 3: the parking lot is across from Plumb and I walked

1768
01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 3: across the street and this young white Nile as I

1769
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,520
Speaker 3: was crossing the street, demanded that I kneel to him.

1770
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 3: Hear what I said. I demanded that I'm going into

1771
01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 3: city Hall. This is doing these riots during this craziness.

1772
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:03,760
Speaker 3: I looked at this young white dude and I said, dude,

1773
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:08,080
Speaker 3: have you lost your mind? If you think that I'm

1774
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:11,519
Speaker 3: going to be somebody that's gonna kneel to you, you

1775
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:16,520
Speaker 3: have lost your total mind. Now. My problem was, unfortunately,

1776
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 3: and this needs to change, I had to leave my

1777
01:40:19,120 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 3: weapon in my car every time I got out, and

1778
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,519
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this craziness happening around City Hall. Because

1779
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 3: we had our swat team in the basement. They're all

1780
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 3: lined up prepared because they're all surrounding City Hall as

1781
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 3: we're going in, right, I'm saying when I got into

1782
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 3: that basement, from the door all the way down that hallway,

1783
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 3: we had to have our swat teams out there. These

1784
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 3: dudes that are big as big as elephants. Man, they're

1785
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 3: just bative dudes like linemen, and they're down there in

1786
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 3: all of that. I shook everybody's hand as I went

1787
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 3: down that hallway, but I had had some guy outside

1788
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 3: as I'm walking in tell me that I needed to kneel.

1789
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 3: And I'm an African American. This is a white dude

1790
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 3: telling me I need to kneel. Kneel for what?

1791
01:40:58,960 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 6: Brother?

1792
01:40:59,479 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 12: What?

1793
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 3: What the heck are you talking about? That is how

1794
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 3: crazy it was down there during that period of time

1795
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:10,760
Speaker 3: right where people are trying to make us feel uncomfortable

1796
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 3: as we're trying to do the business of the city.

1797
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 3: It is unbelievable. And I'm going to emphasize here John

1798
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 3: Cranley did a great job if he had not made

1799
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 3: the decisions he made. And by the way I was

1800
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 3: on and off the phone with John, I was the

1801
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,680
Speaker 3: vice mayor at the time, as he was trying to

1802
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 3: sort it all out and make the decisions he was

1803
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 3: making so John Cranley, and I don't want to detach

1804
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 3: from the mayor here. He was making very good decisions,

1805
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 3: and I was doing the very best I could at

1806
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 3: his vice mayor to advise him on how to make

1807
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 3: good decisions to protect the city of Cincinnati. But they

1808
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,680
Speaker 3: were his decisions to make, and I am glad he

1809
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 3: made him. If he hadn't done it, as you indicated,

1810
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 3: Dan Carroll, Downtown would have been on fire.

1811
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Well, Chris Mithaman. Tomorrow, Tuesday, December ninth, the City of

1812
01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's Public Council or I'm sorry, Public Safety and Governance

1813
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 2: Committee is expected to look at this settlement, review it,

1814
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 2: and approve it. I would urge the members of that

1815
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,600
Speaker 2: committee to say no. I would urge the members of

1816
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: that committee to say, we need to take this to court.

1817
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 2: We need to stand up as a city for what's

1818
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 2: right and send the message that you cannot come into

1819
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 2: our city and agitate and do property damage and ignore

1820
01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: lawful orders of the Mayor of the City of Cincinnati

1821
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 2: and Cincinnati Police and not expect to be paid for

1822
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 2: We've got one minute, let's right.

1823
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 3: And all I will say is that you and I

1824
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 3: agree that peaceful protests in this country are fine all day.

1825
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 3: Maybe you're coming here and it's all days. It's what

1826
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,720
Speaker 3: makes the United States the United States. We are the

1827
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 3: greatest experiment on the globe. It's when you come and

1828
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 3: you start destroying things that you and I are talking about.

1829
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm very sympathetic to what happened

1830
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 3: to George Floyd. In my opinion, it shouldn't have happened.

1831
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 3: It was bad policing, but it had nothing to do

1832
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 3: with the city of Cincinnati. That's the most important part

1833
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 3: of here. We've gone through the collaborative agreement, we've had

1834
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 3: federal oversight. Saul Green has given us the green light.

1835
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 3: This is the greatest Cincinnati Police department. People come from

1836
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,160
Speaker 3: all over the world to see how we do policing

1837
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 3: in the city of Cincinnati. This is a flap in

1838
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 3: the face. Obviously, counsel will rubber stamp this tomorrow. I

1839
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,599
Speaker 3: don't have anything that they'll do anything different.

1840
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, brother, all Right, you're the best

1841
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:30,640
Speaker 2: press we got to run, and thank you so much

1842
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 2: for that. Bill Cunningham is coming up next on seven

1843
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 2: hundred wlw