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Speaker 1: a funny side story to Bill Belichick. But that's not

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Speaker 1: the most important thing that happened this week. There were

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Speaker 1: So it's one of the things where they have this

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Speaker 1: So when you look at it, there were five people

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. So you had fifty guys who were voters.

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Speaker 1: Fifty you know, fifty people who were voters. I think

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Speaker 2: Now, that to me.

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Speaker 1: Is how the process goes, and it probably it probably

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Speaker 2: Now, I know there are some people that say, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this much right now when it comes

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Speaker 1: Gonna tell you, I've heard all kinds of rationalizations as

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Speaker 1: The first one is the Spygate thing, which is just stupid.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you listen to Bill cow or Jimmy

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Speaker 2: But anyway, we all were doing the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the one of the worst things about

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Speaker 1: Stealing you know, knowledge and stealing you know, video or

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Speaker 2: They weren't. That's the point. What were they stealing.

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Speaker 1: That most people, when I've talked to them about this,

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Speaker 1: dumbest quote unquote scandal I've ever heard. The Patriots beat

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Speaker 1: And the best part of any of these Hall of

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Speaker 1: It's almost to a point where you, basically, if you

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Speaker 2: Now, I know, I get it. The All twenty two guys.

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Speaker 1: Mark Man Show one on five ninety X. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We have been talking about Steelers a lot. We've been

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Speaker 1: I know that it's supposed to be your off season,

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Speaker 1: you have been for a.

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Speaker 2: Long long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first time I hadn't do a coaching search with

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Speaker 3: over the year's Paul. But yeah, good to get back

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Speaker 3: to those days. But you know what, the Steelers or

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what's amazing, Ray, And by the way,

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Speaker 1: partner of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ray, I'll tell you what's

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Speaker 1: amazing is like you had just said, you've done some

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Speaker 1: the pros, Huh. You don't have to track down airplanes

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Speaker 3: You know, the one thing that doesn't change, Paul is

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Speaker 3: So that's the one thing that's never changed. Let me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did, okay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, believe me, I covered pit football, right, I

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Speaker 3: But you can start after two weeks the one time, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: The most incredible stat ever was from the time that

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Speaker 3: I know you called me to talk about the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: He had Frank Signetti on that staff. He had you know,

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Speaker 2: Todd Graham was here for one year and on his staff.

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Speaker 3: All I remember from that one year Paul was three words,

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Speaker 1: So I don't suppose that Mike McCarthy's going to engage

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to have to. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the things about it, Ray

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Speaker 1: or five really high priced guys who are not exactly young.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Patrick Queen, I guess it's twenty eight.

438
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Speaker 1: I guess that's young kind of but not really. And

439
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Speaker 1: then you've got high Smith at twenty nine, and then

440
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Speaker 1: the three guys that are thirty plus, and those five

441
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Speaker 1: guys you know, combined for I think of more than

442
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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars of the cap if you look

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Speaker 1: at what their cap hits are Queen, you know, Queen

444
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Speaker 1: and high Smith, and then the three you know, Ramsey and.

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Speaker 2: Hayward and TJ. Watt.

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Speaker 1: So the question becomes, how much flexibility do you think

447
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Speaker 1: you know, this the new defensive coordinator what's name Patrick Graham,

448
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Speaker 1: how much do you think he's going to be able

449
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Speaker 1: to do right now when he's got basically, you know,

450
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Speaker 1: he has to work around that group of players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I have no issue with the Steelers

452
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Speaker 3: having high cap hits for Hi Smith and Hayward. I

453
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Speaker 3: think you get, you know, bang for your buck there.

454
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Speaker 3: Those two guys played really well pretty much all season,

455
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Speaker 3: especially late in the season. You know the Wat thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say the Steelers are stuck with

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Speaker 3: that contract. I just think they have to get hope

458
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Speaker 3: that TJ gets back to being TJ, and then that

459
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Speaker 3: contract's not going to look so bad. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw up with the salary

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Speaker 3: caps going up again. I mean so that you know,

462
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Speaker 3: when when the Steelers make these deals, they kind of

463
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Speaker 3: know the CAP's going to go up, and yeah, might

464
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Speaker 3: look bad in twenty twenty five, that you know by

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven and that that contract isn't going to

466
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Speaker 3: seem as bad as it really is right now. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got decisions to make, honestly, on Ramsey,

468
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Speaker 3: that's number one in Queen Queen's a seventeen million dollar

469
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Speaker 3: cap fit. If they cut him, they could say fourteen million.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think Patrick Queen got better this year,

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Speaker 3: Paul that I just don't know if you want to

472
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Speaker 3: spend or have seventeen million against your cap on a

473
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Speaker 3: guy who doesn't really affect your defense all that much.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what McCarthy thinks of him, We'll see

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Speaker 3: what he thinks of Ramsey. But you know, I think

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Speaker 3: Watt's pretty much a lot to come back. I think

477
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Speaker 3: the same thing about high Smith, and you know, Hayward

478
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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers won them back. I think it's

479
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Speaker 3: up to Cam to decide whether he wants to retire

480
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Speaker 3: or if he wants to play on that contract again.

481
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Speaker 3: And that's that's not gonna be up to the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be up to Cam.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, he was an All Pro this

485
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Speaker 1: year or so, you know, there's a good chance that

486
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Speaker 1: he might determine that he wants to come back because

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Speaker 1: he can still play at a high level. And I

488
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Speaker 1: think that's that's always going to be something that you

489
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Speaker 1: have to monitor year to year with him. You look

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Speaker 1: at Ray the way that the defense is built, do

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Speaker 1: you think there will be any not wholesale, but do

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Speaker 1: you think there'll be any changes in terms of sort

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Speaker 1: of the kinds of players they want to go get, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the the the obviously the edge rushers or

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Speaker 1: edge rushers, but do you think that there might be

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Speaker 1: a change in philosophy, for instance, the kind of linebackers

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Speaker 1: they want, or the kind of you know, U corners

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Speaker 1: they want. I think one of the things that Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin is he's always had a preference for a certain

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Speaker 1: you know, prototype of a corner and quite frankly most

501
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Speaker 1: of them have turned out to be busts.

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Speaker 2: But my point is, do you feel like there might.

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Speaker 1: Be a change in philosophy and the kind of players

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Speaker 1: that they get at, you know, each of the levels

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Speaker 1: of the defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's why I brought up Queen. You know.

507
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Speaker 3: You know, some some coordinators can can get by with

508
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Speaker 3: that without having that high priced inside linebacker in the

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Speaker 3: middle of their defense. I mean, you know, Patrick Graham

510
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Speaker 3: had Robert splane before Robert Spallaine signed with the Patriots.

511
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Speaker 3: And you know, Splaine got a nice deal with the Patriots,

512
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Speaker 3: but he's not making Patrick Quayne money. So yeah, there

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Speaker 3: are different types of players that you might be able

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Speaker 3: to get by with at a certain salary if you

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Speaker 3: structure your defense in a certain way. You know, you

516
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Speaker 3: talk about cornerback. I mean, the Steelers are at a

517
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: point they're pretty much gonna have to pay Joey Porter.

518
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Speaker 3: I think Joey Porter has improved enough that he warrants

519
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Speaker 3: a new contract and they're probably gonna have to pay

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Speaker 3: him market value. So I don't know if you can

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Speaker 3: go out and spend big money on a cornerback in

522
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Speaker 3: free agency. I honestly think you've got to draft the

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Speaker 3: draft and develop a guy to go alongside him, and

524
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Speaker 3: then you hope in the interim, you know, you hope

525
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Speaker 3: Asante Samuel Jr. Or James Pierre can hold that down

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Speaker 3: until that draft pick is ready. So you know, the

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Speaker 3: one other thing, Paul, and I'm sure we'll talk about

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Speaker 3: this much more as the draft gets closer. They stockpiled

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Speaker 3: all these picks this year because they wanted to go

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Speaker 3: up with go up and at a quarterback. Well now

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Speaker 3: it doesn't look like this is a great class quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So something to watch here is are they going to

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Speaker 3: spend all those picks this year? They're going to try

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Speaker 3: to get some more picks next year and maybe trade

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Speaker 3: some of those picks. You know, I'll be looking at

536
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Speaker 3: that too. But either way, I don't think they're going

537
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Speaker 3: to be very active in free agency because I think

538
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Speaker 3: they want to get those comptexts again in twenty twenty

539
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: seven so they can go up, go ahead and move

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Speaker 3: up and get the quarterback in that class with you know,

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Speaker 3: Arch Manning, Leonora Sellers, all of these guys who were

542
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Speaker 3: maybe gonna come out this year, looks like they're going

543
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Speaker 3: to come out next year instead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean it's clear to me that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I've only seen a few different interviews

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Speaker 1: or whatever appearances by Mike McCarthy, but it's pretty clear

547
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Speaker 1: that everyone.

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Speaker 2: He's made it very clear he wants Aaron Rodgers back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, honestly, if you look at the

550
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Speaker 3: free agency, I know people talk about Malik Willis, but

551
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Speaker 3: let's be honest, would you rather have Aaron Rodgers or

552
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Speaker 3: Malik Willis? I think ninety nine percent of the coaches

553
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Speaker 3: in the NFL would choose Aaron Rodgers, even at the

554
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Speaker 3: age of forty three. So, you know, Aaron Rodgers. I thought,

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00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: you know, up and down season Paul, that he did

556
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Speaker 3: what they asked them to do. He got them to

557
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Speaker 3: the playoffs, didn't play great in that playoff game to

558
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Speaker 3: get them over the hump, but I thought he did

559
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Speaker 3: well enough that they would welcome him back and you know,

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Speaker 3: gladly pay him again for another season until they try

561
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Speaker 3: to figure out this, Uh, you know, who the next

562
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Speaker 3: franchise quarterback is going to be. Maybe they won't use

563
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Speaker 3: the draft pick this year, but I think they're gonna

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Speaker 3: be using draft picks the next couple of years until

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Speaker 3: they find that guy.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the most incredible things you bring

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Speaker 1: up Milik Willis. Okay, I think one of the most

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Speaker 1: incredible things about Milake Willis is he is the latest

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Speaker 1: version of a guy who had one really good game

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Speaker 1: on national TV, and now all of a sudden, there

571
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Speaker 1: are people who are convinced he's the best free agent

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Speaker 1: on the market.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know who he is. Hey, do you

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Speaker 3: remember Matt Flynn? Yeah? S, Matt Flynn got a ton

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Speaker 3: of money from the Seahawks because I think he had

576
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Speaker 3: one or two games, good games with the Packers, and

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Speaker 3: then he never saw the field because Russell Wilson got drafted.

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Speaker 3: You know, Russell's a third round pick. He won that

579
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Speaker 3: job and they never even had to go to him. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're right. I mean, these guys, God bless them. You

581
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Speaker 3: have one good game and you could catch it in

582
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Speaker 3: on a major contract. I'm all for it. But I

583
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Speaker 3: think the hype on Malik Willis is a little bit

584
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Speaker 3: overdone it.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you two. I'll give you two other guys.

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Speaker 1: How about Matt Castle and Scott and Scott Mitchell. Matt

587
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Speaker 1: Castle at least played the whole season. Remember Scott Mitchell

588
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Speaker 1: he was another guy who like had a couple of

589
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Speaker 1: really good games and all of a sudden got a

590
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Speaker 1: huge contract and well he turned into Scott Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Mitchell was about two eighty that's what I remember.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, like I said, I get a kick out

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Speaker 1: of the fact that Malik Willis discussion makes my head hurt.

595
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: It's like, the guy had one good game and uh,

596
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: someone's gonna give him a lot of money. And you know,

597
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: now what's interesting is is Ray And I'll let you

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Speaker 1: go with this. Malik Willis is probably behind Brock Party,

599
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Speaker 1: who is mister I Rowland. Malik Willis is probably the

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Speaker 1: second best quarterback that was drafted out of that whole

601
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Speaker 1: entire mess with Kenny Pickett and Matt Corral and Desmond

602
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Ritter or whatever his name was, and that whole group.

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Speaker 3: I thought Desmond Ridder was on a practice squad this year,

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Speaker 3: not even an active roster, I don't think. So, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's that draft class. We were warned about it, Paul, beforehand.

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Speaker 3: It's not like we you know, we we weren't told

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Speaker 3: it wasn't good. We were and they still used the

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Speaker 3: first round pick on Kenny, which I don't know you

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Speaker 3: can make an argument that set them back three maybe

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Speaker 3: four years for sure.

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Speaker 1: Ray, enjoy your weekend, man, Thank you so much, uh

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Speaker 1: and great stuff my man.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Paul, good being all with.

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Speaker 1: You against a honey that's Ray fit a paulo the

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Speaker 1: post because that I am Paul's ice.

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Speaker 2: This is the Mark Manton. So it's one oh five

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Speaker 2: ninety X.

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Speaker 1: I am obviously, uh Paul's ice, not Mark Mannon.

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Speaker 2: And we are here.

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Speaker 1: To talk about well, all things Pittsburgh sports coming up.

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Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that's very very

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Speaker 1: very difficult, very difficult, is to move on from.

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Speaker 2: A quote unquote legend.

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Speaker 1: I think we see it all the time when a

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Speaker 1: certain player who happens to be very popular, happens to

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Speaker 1: be very very.

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Speaker 2: Much somebody who is.

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Speaker 1: Beloved very much, somebody who has had all kinds of success,

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Speaker 1: maybe even picked the team up and put it.

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Speaker 2: On his back.

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Speaker 1: Those kind of players, they become fan favorites. People get

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Speaker 1: attached to them. But jin general, those kind of players

633
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: also have a really really hard time letting go sometimes,

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Speaker 1: and they have a hard time walking away, and there's

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Speaker 1: no real easy way for a team to do it,

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Speaker 1: you know. I remember Chuck I was at Chuck Nole

637
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Speaker 1: that used to say, you know, it's time to get

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Speaker 1: on with their life's work.

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Speaker 2: I've used that line and believe believe it or not

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Speaker 2: a few times.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Of course I coach young kids or kids that are,

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00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, in middle school or high school, and some

644
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: of them probably need to get on with their life's

645
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: work already. Not saying that they can't potentially become good players,

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Speaker 1: but usually you got a pretty good idea who's got

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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: a chance, and well, who's kidding themselves. We had one

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Speaker 1: of these cases pop up this week, and of course

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Speaker 1: that means we're going to talk about it next. It's

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Speaker 1: The mark Man Show, one of five ninety x