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<v Speaker 2>I'm back after taking a break of like two or

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<v Speaker 2>three days. I am back for season two of the

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<v Speaker 2>Marked Beelling Podcast, and I want to open by ruminating alone.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you who aren't that familiar with me

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<v Speaker 2>and stumbled on me in podcast land, I was a

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<v Speaker 2>radio talk show host in Milwaukee for thirty six years.

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<v Speaker 2>I not only survived, I thrived. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I noted over all of those years is

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<v Speaker 2>that almost everybody I didn't see everybody, Almost everybody who

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<v Speaker 2>was able to survive and as I said, thrive over

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<v Speaker 2>the really long haul and talk radio had developed a

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<v Speaker 2>bond with his or her audience, and that bond was

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<v Speaker 2>based on credibility. Now I've talked to I've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot over the years, that people will listen

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<v Speaker 2>to all sorts of things for a while, but one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that keeps people coming back again and

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<v Speaker 2>again and again is that sense of credibility that a

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<v Speaker 2>the person is telling the truth or if expressing an opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>an opinion at least based on facts, and secondly that

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<v Speaker 2>you're stating what you actually believe. Again, there's exceptions to this,

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<v Speaker 2>but not many. If you take a look at for

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<v Speaker 2>the of you who don't live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin like

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<v Speaker 2>many of my listeners do, whoever the dominant you know,

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<v Speaker 2>radio talk show host, and whatever your area was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, somebody that's been around ten, fifteen, twenty years,

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<v Speaker 2>tops in the ratings and so on. I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>bet that that person's audience sees the individual as a

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<v Speaker 2>straight shooter without regard to what the political beliefs are.

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<v Speaker 2>Starting last year, I transitioned from radio to podcasting, and

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<v Speaker 2>my podcast is very similar to what I did on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio show. There are obviously some differences. There are

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere near as many commercials, the audience is more geographically

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<v Speaker 2>diverse than the old radio program was. The radio show

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<v Speaker 2>was broadcast live. The podcast can be listened to at

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<v Speaker 2>any point. Their differences, but I did the radio show

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<v Speaker 2>very similar. I did the podcast rather very similar to

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<v Speaker 2>the way that I did the radio show. What I

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<v Speaker 2>have noticed, particularly over the last several months is that

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I mentioned about and every media is different.

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<v Speaker 2>Radio is different from TV, TV is different than obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>and podcasts in radio, I think are clearly different. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that I've noticed, at least over

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<v Speaker 2>the short term, is that there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that are very, very successful who don't feel the

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<v Speaker 2>need that I just mentioned to be a straight shooter

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly say what they believe. Now. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about the long term because the whole landscape of I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the first podcast of any size showed up ten fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. But I think the overwhelming majority of podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>that are out there right now started in the last

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<v Speaker 2>two years, and every week hundreds, maybe thousands more start,

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<v Speaker 2>some with almost no listeners, some that aspire to be big,

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<v Speaker 2>So we don't really know who's going to be dominant

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<v Speaker 2>over the long long run. The best example that we

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<v Speaker 2>have is Rogan. Joe Rogan had the first really huge podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still huge, But other than him, there isn't a

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<v Speaker 2>long long track record of lots and lots of us

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<v Speaker 2>over many many years or even decades to see whether

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<v Speaker 2>or out it'll play out the same. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>have certainly seen recently is that there are some very

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<v Speaker 2>big and prominent people doing podcasts who are just saying

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<v Speaker 2>stuff for short term clicks. Clicks. That's what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 2>In my world, a click would be a download. You

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<v Speaker 2>listen to the pod, you download the podcast. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>we're measured. I have not wanted to be involved in

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<v Speaker 2>all of this infighting that's going on in the conservative

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<v Speaker 2>world and the bloggestphere of the podcast sphere and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to mention this at least a moment, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a good way to launch season two.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at somebody like Tucker Tucker Carlson three weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>he came right out and said he wondered if Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was the Antichrist, the anti Christ. He was interviewed by

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else two weeks a few days ago, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I never said that. Well, see, one of the up

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<v Speaker 2>sides and the downsides of doing a podcast is they're

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<v Speaker 2>out there forever. I don't even know what can you

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if you can delete them. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you delete them? I mean, but I mean you can

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<v Speaker 2>delete them. But they say it's like anything on social media.

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<v Speaker 2>When the cops go in to look at somebody's phone,

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<v Speaker 2>you're always able to find it. Once somebody downloads something,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they have it forever anyway, So everybody

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<v Speaker 2>went back and played the inn their Tucker said, I

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<v Speaker 2>watched him say it. I wonder if he's the anti Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>The anti Christ. This is a guy who only a

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<v Speaker 2>few months ago was a cheerleader for Trump. He stood

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<v Speaker 2>by his side at the Republican convention in Milwaukee in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, stood side by side with him for the

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<v Speaker 2>first few months of his administration, defended him through most

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<v Speaker 2>of the first term, and through this middle period in

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<v Speaker 2>which he was under season, was running for reelection in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four, and all of a sudden it just dawns

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<v Speaker 2>on him. Maybe he's the anti Christ. Now, as I've said,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody has a right to change their mind on things,

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<v Speaker 2>and only a moron refuses to change his or her

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<v Speaker 2>mind when the facts indicate that the original position was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>I always cite as the example for this. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think the Packers made a good decision when they plucked

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<v Speaker 2>Ron Wolf out of football bureaucracy to be the GM

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<v Speaker 2>of the Packers in the early nineties. Well just stick

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<v Speaker 2>with that, of course, that the position was wrong. So

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<v Speaker 2>say so do you have a right to change your

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<v Speaker 2>mind on things? But were some of these people. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about changing your mind. You're talking about flip flap,

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<v Speaker 2>flip flap, flip flap, flip flop, and it just strikes

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<v Speaker 2>me as insincere. It's an old radio talk show host

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<v Speaker 2>named Michael Savage. I always had the impression that he

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<v Speaker 2>was making it up. Maybe that's wrong, but I had

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<v Speaker 2>that impression. Again, maybe I'm wrong about that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>had that impression about him. He was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>few people that had and he was on in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the night, so maybe that was a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit different. But eventually I think he got into primetime

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<v Speaker 2>and evenings, depending on when stations would carry him. I

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<v Speaker 2>just since that there wasn't a sincerity about him. And

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<v Speaker 2>again maybe I'm wrong about that. I didn't listen to

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<v Speaker 2>him enough and I don't know him. In the case

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<v Speaker 2>of Tucker, how could you have been as close to

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<v Speaker 2>Trump as you were for all of those years and

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<v Speaker 2>not picked up on maybe he's the anti Christ. He

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't think Trump might be the anti Christ. He's just

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<v Speaker 2>saying that because he broke ranks with Trump on what issue,

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<v Speaker 2>the war in Iran and suddenly, rather than having the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to break ranks on that that issue and say

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<v Speaker 2>that he disagrees, he turns Trump into this terrible monster.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a part of his real Maybe he's the anti Christ.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's behavior is no different than it's ever been. He's

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<v Speaker 2>always been like this. He picks fights, he does all

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. Whether you like Trump or not, just the

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<v Speaker 2>same Trump. What you're not getting, though, is the same Tucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Once he decided Trump's out of his side, and Trump

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<v Speaker 2>made it clear that he's not on Tucker's side, you

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<v Speaker 2>get this all out over the top rhetoric. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he believes it. There have been others

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<v Speaker 2>who have been doing the same thing. They'll say things

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<v Speaker 2>because they think they can get a big following. Now again,

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<v Speaker 2>in the short term, that works. Tucker's got right now

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<v Speaker 2>a big following, a lot of the people that are

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to the war listening to him. Same thing with

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<v Speaker 2>candae Owans big following. I just wonder, though, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, because podcasting is different than radio. Radio is

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<v Speaker 2>still a mass media and listening you know, conventional radio,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a finite number of stations that are out there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my show was ranked number one for years

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<v Speaker 2>and years and years in the state of Wisconsin. But

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<v Speaker 2>that was rated against just all the other radio I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what's in Milwaukee have right now? Eighteen twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>stations state of Wisconsin. Not that many. It's a finite world,

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<v Speaker 2>and in order to get a big share, there are

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<v Speaker 2>only so many options against radio. But I was doing radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't measured against podcasts or anything on YouTube. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just radio ratings, that's what it was. But in the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast world, where there are zillions and zillions and zillions

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<v Speaker 2>of them, all you're trying to do is get clicks,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps a smaller percentage of the overall market that you

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<v Speaker 2>did when you were doing say cable television or radio

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<v Speaker 2>and so on. So I don't know if Tucker does

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<v Speaker 2>this flip flopping flip flopping, flip flopping, flip flopping, if

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<v Speaker 2>he comes back into the good graces of Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>then he goes out, will it work for him over

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<v Speaker 2>the long term. I don't know. What I do know

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<v Speaker 2>is that I'm too damn old to change the way

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<v Speaker 2>I do it. And it's one of the things you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've over the years, I've had zillions of people ask me, first,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you make it in radio? Know? How do

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<v Speaker 2>you make it in podcasting? And I've never had a

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<v Speaker 2>good answer to that other than well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have natural ability, you kind of do

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<v Speaker 2>or you don't, and then you have to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with an approach. And my approach has been to not

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<v Speaker 2>give three bleeps whether or not anybody in the audience

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<v Speaker 2>agrees with me. I have to agree with me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I have to back it up. And I've found that

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<v Speaker 2>that may frost even some of my loyal listeners from

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<v Speaker 2>time to time when I'm in a position that they

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<v Speaker 2>don't agree with, But over the long haul, they come

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<v Speaker 2>back because they realize, Okay, he was whacked on that thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least he leaved it and he could make

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<v Speaker 2>a case for it. I mean, this is a great job.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a new producer in season two. Jason Gotchi's

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<v Speaker 2>with us after I had Paul for all of these years.

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<v Speaker 2>Jason is now a radio talk show host. He's bopped

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<v Speaker 2>around doing a bunch of things in the business, but

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<v Speaker 2>now he's established as a radio talk show host at

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<v Speaker 2>my old radio station, WIS and Milwaukee. Also produces the show.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna do his show the way he feels to

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<v Speaker 2>do his show. It's a great gig. The whole world

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<v Speaker 2>is looking for people to pay attention to them, and

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<v Speaker 2>I get paid a lot of money to have people

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<v Speaker 2>listen to me. Most people you couldn't pay them to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to him. You just want to get away from there,

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<v Speaker 2>So dull I get paid to have people if you

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<v Speaker 2>have that privilege, if you have that platform. Seriously, what

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<v Speaker 2>is the point in saying something you don't believe this? Candice,

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<v Speaker 2>OAN's really believe Eric Kirk had her husband killed? I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I think there's a good chance he's

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<v Speaker 2>making it up and knows it isn't true. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she does. I don't know, but I sense that she

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<v Speaker 2>and Tucker and some of the others are just right

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<v Speaker 2>now making it up. Well, if I get to have

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<v Speaker 2>this large audience that's hanging, why would I say something

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe it. It's great to go in try

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<v Speaker 2>Airlines has been in a way, I won't say amusing,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're bemused by it. Groundbreaking company. They just had

0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:17.520
<v Speaker 2>a non sustainable business model. Their business model was to

0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:22.760
<v Speaker 2>sell airline seats really really really cheap, and then up

0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.440
<v Speaker 2>charge for every single thing that you do, up charge

0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.560
<v Speaker 2>for the bags, up charge for the peanuts, up charge

0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:34.160
<v Speaker 2>for this, up the charge for then ad. In the end,

0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:41.440
<v Speaker 2>it was not a financially sustainable market. There are a

0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of theories as to why Spirit didn't make it.

0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.160
<v Speaker 2>They shut down over the weekend. One of the things

0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.920
<v Speaker 2>that I've commented on, and I mean it's an exaggeration,

0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.440
<v Speaker 2>but not that much of one. Just when I've been

0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:55.240
<v Speaker 2>at an airport and I've never flown on Spirit, but

0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.960
<v Speaker 2>when you're in an airport that has some big airports,

0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.680
<v Speaker 2>there's only one airline and a concourse, like in Atlanta,

0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Delta has certain concourses all to themselves. But when I've

0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.720
<v Speaker 2>walked past Spirit counters, it just always seems like there's

0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.320
<v Speaker 2>chaos there. And then you watch these videos on YouTube

0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.600
<v Speaker 2>of people acting up on airlines. It isn't always Spirit,

0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.320
<v Speaker 2>but boil boy, it's Spirit. A lot of the times

0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:28.960
<v Speaker 2>people have theories about why this is. They're angry that

0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they're getting bad customer service while they're paying peanuts for

0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.960
<v Speaker 2>their tickets, or some of the people that are flying

0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.000
<v Speaker 2>on Spirit are people who are used to traveling. You know,

0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.160
<v Speaker 2>you miss your connection, you miss your connection. It's a

0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.680
<v Speaker 2>pain in the ass. But again, it happens all the time,

0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's Spirit. A parent of the customers can't stand it,

0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.520
<v Speaker 2>or they cancel the flight. You know, the crew is

0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.720
<v Speaker 2>over their hours, or there's a mechanical issue, You're screwed.

0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.520
<v Speaker 2>It's just part of the overall hassle of fly and Spirit.

0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Spirit customers just seem to have a harder time. I'm

0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:06.160
<v Speaker 2>handling it the NOD. So anyway, they shut down late

0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Friday night into Saturday morning. I can't even imagine the

0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.879
<v Speaker 2>chaos at the airport's the next day, because you know,

0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.480
<v Speaker 2>lots of people. Even though apparently that contacted people via texts,

0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:21.440
<v Speaker 2>some people don't pay attention to them. There are people

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.280
<v Speaker 2>who showed up at the airport expected to get on

0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.600
<v Speaker 2>their Spirit flight and none of there's Spirit not there.

0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:30.080
<v Speaker 2>The customer service was down. It is gone. They say

0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:41.840
<v Speaker 2>they'll refund, they're bankrupt. I hope they refund, but they're done. No,

0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a reason in bringing this up, and a lot

0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.520
<v Speaker 2>of commentators have made the same point over the last

0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of days, so it's not original for me. But

0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.240
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, Spirit and jet Blue proposed a merger.

0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Jet Blue is a discounter, but not as much of

0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.840
<v Speaker 2>a discounter as Spirit. Jet Blue's another airline I've never

0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.520
<v Speaker 2>flown on. There are many flights out of Milwaukee on

0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Jet Blue, it's a more limited route airline. It is

0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:20.119
<v Speaker 2>a discounter, but it's apparently not as deeply discounted as

0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Spirit and the level of service, et cetera is considering

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.760
<v Speaker 2>considered to be a bit higher than Spirit. But what

0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.399
<v Speaker 2>they both saw was an opportunity to eliminate a competitor

0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and expand the available routes and the gates that they

0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:41.679
<v Speaker 2>have at airports. The Biden administration opposed the merger, and

0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Warren, who Trump calls Pocahontas, the senator from Massachusetts

0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.200
<v Speaker 2>who lied and claimed that she was a Native American

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:56.040
<v Speaker 2>when she wasn't. She led the charge railing against this

0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:00.560
<v Speaker 2>because it would be anti competitive and offer fewer opportunities

0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 2>for the American consumer. Now, my position on anti trust

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>and monopolies is different from many in the conservative world.

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't like monopolies and I think they should be

0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:15.320
<v Speaker 2>busted up, and when mergers are truly anti competitive, I

0:19:15.400 --> 0:19:20.320
<v Speaker 2>do think that the government should oppose them. But in

0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:25.760
<v Speaker 2>this case, you saw two airlines trying to survive. Spirit's

0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:30.000
<v Speaker 2>been in trouble for years, so might not letting them

0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:36.119
<v Speaker 2>merge they go out of business Altogether. I think the

0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:40.400
<v Speaker 2>biggest mistake Ronald Reagan made his president, was to had

0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.080
<v Speaker 2>two breweries at a time in which the brewing industry

0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.840
<v Speaker 2>bigger was better. High LeMans of Lacrosse, which had been

0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.119
<v Speaker 2>a great brewery for many years, was really beginning to

0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:56.760
<v Speaker 2>struggle because the giant breweries Miller Anheuser Busch were getting

0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.760
<v Speaker 2>so big and controlling the distribution market. Woman's tried to

0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.560
<v Speaker 2>merge with Might have this wrong? Did they try to

0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:08.640
<v Speaker 2>merge with Stros or was it? I don't remember anymore.

0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>In any event, the Reagan Justice Department blocked the merger.

0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Hilman shriveled up and essentially died. The brands are now

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:27.120
<v Speaker 2>controlled by somebody else, but the company died. First of all.

0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand how that was anti competitive. There are

0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:33.240
<v Speaker 2>a zillion beers still even if those two had merged. Likewise,

0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.960
<v Speaker 2>in the airline business, there were one, five, six, seven,

0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.639
<v Speaker 2>eight airlines that are pretty well known that travel across

0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the United States. So once again lefties showed their complete

0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.680
<v Speaker 2>lack of understanding of American economics. The type of merger

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.880
<v Speaker 2>that perhaps you should raise eyebrows about would be when

0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:59.280
<v Speaker 2>two thriving, huge companies that control combined sixty percent of

0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 2>the market. Throw together, they're both already making money and

0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.919
<v Speaker 2>they both have huge chunks of the overall market. Maybe

0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.640
<v Speaker 2>that would be anti competitive, but two two smaller companies

0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.240
<v Speaker 2>that are trying to compete against the big giant competitors

0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:18.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to stay afloat. I don't know this, but my

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.120
<v Speaker 2>guess is that a higher percentage of people who fly

0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Spirit vote for Democrats than vote for Republicans. So they

0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:32.560
<v Speaker 2>did this to their own base on a transportation related topic.

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Over the years, I've talked a lot about how no terrible,

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:50.320
<v Speaker 2>stupid lefty idea is ever dead. They go into long

0:21:50.480 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 2>term hibernation, but they're never dead. If we conservatives stop something,

0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:06.199
<v Speaker 2>we never really kill it. We just put it on

0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:13.120
<v Speaker 2>ice until the lefties bring it back again. Twenty ten.

0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Amazing that it's that sixteen years ago, but it is

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.600
<v Speaker 2>sixteen years ago. The Democrats that controlled the governorship in

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin for eight years, much like now, the state was

0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 2>on a bad path. Jim Doyle had been the governor

0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.280
<v Speaker 2>for eight years, wasn't going to run for a third term,

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 2>knew he was going to lose. A couple of Democrats

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.159
<v Speaker 2>eyeballed the thing. Tom Barrett became the nominee. One of

0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the things that Doyle did in his final year as

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>governor was he greenlighted a train that would run between

0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Madison and Milwaukee. I said at the time that this

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.199
<v Speaker 2>is an absolute boon taggle and I went through all

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why it wouldn't work, and so on.

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Scott Walker, the Republican candidate for governor, picked up on

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 2>this and I'm killing it. For those of you who

0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:20.680
<v Speaker 2>aren't from Wisconsin or don't recall, he ran an incredible

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 2>number of ads saying he would kill that train. In

0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the meantime, Doyle was trying to get as much work

0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>as he could get done on it in twenty ten

0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>before the election, figuring that so much money will already

0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.640
<v Speaker 2>have been thrown in this that no governor, including a Republican,

0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.960
<v Speaker 2>would ever walk away and essentially give up all the

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.479
<v Speaker 2>money that had ever been spent. Walker won the election.

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Barrett was trying to mumble away about why he thought

0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 2>the train was a good idea. In the rest of Wisconsin,

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.159
<v Speaker 2>people from anywhere but Madison and Waukee are the places

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.199
<v Speaker 2>in between who are already fed up with all the

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 2>money that they send to Madison Milwaukee. We're furious that

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:03.320
<v Speaker 2>you were going to spend a fortune and say tax tile.

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Imagine if you're an anago, you say, what good would

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that train be to b I think it's possible Walker

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.520
<v Speaker 2>would not have won were it not for his opposition

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 2>to that train. As I said, it just resonated and

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.440
<v Speaker 2>after Walker killed it, and indeed he killed it, walked

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 2>away from the whole thing. There are a couple of

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:31.160
<v Speaker 2>lawsuits over contracts and so on, but the idea went away.

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 2>That was sixteen years ago you had back. I almost

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 2>called Scott up and said, hey, I know Tom Tiffany's

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 2>in the race and all of that, but your issues back,

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you want to run again. Now this plan is

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>different than the last one, but I kind of think

0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's not as bad, but I've fear it's worse.

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Let me explain. This proposal would be to have the

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 2>train be an Amtrak train. Amtrak has a nationwide route

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that runs through Milwaukee, but we also have a line

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.800
<v Speaker 2>that runs between Milwaukee and Chicago back and forth. It's

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 2>called Hiawatha. That train's been around forever. This idea would

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 2>be to put a spur of the Hiawatha line that

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>would run back and forth between Milwaukee and Madison, so

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.760
<v Speaker 2>they call it part of Hiawatha, but it would just

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 2>be a train that went back and forth between those

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>two cities. There would not be a separate link connecting

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Madison in Chicago. Under this plan, the state of Wisconsin

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.439
<v Speaker 2>would subsidize it, but it would come mostly out of

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 2>Amtrak's budget always they say initially, that would mean it's

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 2>not as bad as the first plan back in twenty

0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 2>ten because the majority of the money would come from

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the federal government. It's too bad kind of Doge disappeared

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and Elon Musk went away at all of that. I'm

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>just saying, all I would have needed to do is

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>get him on this radar. He was killing off boondoggles

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>we already had. Here's one to nip in the bud.

0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Reading about this on js online, they use the train

0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 2>stations currently in Milwaukee. We have one at the airport,

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>and then there's the so called intermodal station. It's the

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Greyhound and Amtrak station next to the downtown Milwaukee Post office,

0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.879
<v Speaker 2>so that one's already in place. But there isn't a

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>train station in Madison, so you'd have to build one there.

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 2>And then there are proposal is to have it stopped

0:26:54.359 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 2>twice along the way Pewaukee and Watertown. There are no

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>amtractations in either of those places. First of all, I'm

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 2>just telling you these costs are low balled. Do you

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>know how much money it's going to cost to build

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 2>a train station? And they said, well it wouldn't you know,

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the ones in Watertown and Pewaukee not that many people

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.640
<v Speaker 2>will get on or get off there. Then if that's

0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the case, why do we need this. So on the

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:32.240
<v Speaker 2>one end, they're saying it wouldn't have to be that

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>big of a station because not that many people would

0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>use it, But on the other hand, they're saying that

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 2>there's this incredible need. By the way, their estimate is

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 2>based on the projection about a thousand riders a day.

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>In the history of humankind, there has never been a

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 2>mass transit proposal projected in which the ridership didn't fall

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 2>short of what the projections were. The Downtown Milwaukee Trolley

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 2>will forever live as the most obvious example of that

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>bea say, well, they wouldn't have to be that expensive

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 2>of train stations, give me wait till they get started.

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>This like makes the cost overruns in school referendums look

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:15.959
<v Speaker 2>like nothing. You're gonna build the thing, and now we

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 2>need to acquire a lot of land for the parking

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>lots because people are gonna take the train have to

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 2>have somewhere to park their cars. Now we're building the thing,

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>and eighty eight compliance and everything else, federal contracting rules,

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:34.280
<v Speaker 2>unionized labor, and once they start building the thing, everybody's

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna want to have their piece of the pie. There's

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 2>gonna be you know, people are gonna want to lease

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>space of the train station, all of that to have

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 2>this train run back and forth. Now, under the proposal,

0:28:49.560 --> 0:29:00.800
<v Speaker 2>their schedule would be to have one run a day,

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>one in the morning rather than one in the evening.

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So the train would leave Madison at six fifteen in

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the morning and get to Milwaukee around eight, and then

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>it would turn around and go back to Madison, and

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 2>then they'd flip it around again. The Madison train would

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:27.200
<v Speaker 2>come back at five point thirty in the afternoon. So

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>for all of the people who might initially say that

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>this is a good idea, what about somebody who's in

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee and wants to has to be in Madison. Say

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>at noon, what they're going to leave four hours early,

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>or they're done in Madison by two fifteen in the afternoon,

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>they're going to wait until five point thirty to come back. Likewise,

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.680
<v Speaker 2>somebody who lives in Brookfield and doesn't want to drive

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to Madison, they're going to haul but all the way

0:29:56.640 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>to Milwaukee at the exact time that the trail is

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.600
<v Speaker 2>going to be there, leave their car there all day,

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 2>and then go to Medison. Now you get to Madison,

0:30:07.600 --> 0:30:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing they'll they would put the Madison train station

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>somewhere downtown. You're the capitol. What if you're going to

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the university, that's probably a twenty dollars to twenty five

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>depending on the time of day, uber right away, or

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 2>you're going somewhere else. Imagine you're going to Epic and Varuna.

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>What good is a tea for you there? I'm telling

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>you who It would make sense for a Milwaukee lobbyist

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 2>who works the day in Madison but lives in Milwaukee,

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and maybe a few members of the state legislature, but

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 2>even they sometimes the legislature works beyond the end train time.

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>The overwhelming majority of people will eventually say I just

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 2>drive next time. An hour and forty five minutes from

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee to Madison. You can get there faster riding a camel. Now,

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 2>right now, I'm Milwaukee. We've got the I ninety four

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>East West construction that slows things down during the rush hours.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I came in this morning around eight thirty and only

0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 2>slowed me down about two minutes, but during the rush

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>hour periods, and yet that the construction can really back

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 2>things up. But otherwise I went to my sister's house

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago. This is about an hour

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>and fifteen minutes. That was on a Sunday, and I

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:37.959
<v Speaker 2>wasn't driving that fast one forty five. This isn't a

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>bullet train. So the only people to whom this is

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>going to appeal are people at the specific who have

0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to are willing to leave, specifically early in the morning

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and we'll need to come back late in the afternoon,

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>who just don't want to drive for an hour and

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty five minutes. Now, I admit that drive from Milwaukee

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 2>to Madison isn't doesn't take that long, but it is.

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll acknowledge it. It is an obnoxious drive. The freeway

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>is goes from four lanes to three lanes to two

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>lanes for a stretch. Then it gets up to three

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>lanes near Madison, it can it's for whatever reason, it's

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>just to me an annoying ride. Driving north toward the

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Fox Valley or south towards chi Kaga just is to

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>me a more pleasant It's just an annoying drive. And

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>it might be because when you get onto the two

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>lane stretch it can really slow down. You have somebody

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 2>slow going in the left lane, and so I acknowledge that,

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 2>but in this you're physically unable to drive. For almost everybody,

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>driving would be more convenient. Secondly, if they approve this thing,

0:32:47.960 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 2>here's what's gonna happen. The ridership will be way lower

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>than projections. And they're gonna say, well, it's because the

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>trains are not running at the right time. We need

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 2>to have an option in the morning, the late morning,

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the early afternoon. And the thing, you know, we got

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 2>trains running back and forth forever and ever and ever.

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 2>The Feds are gonna say, we aren't going to pay

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 2>for this, and it'll come upon the state. JS Online

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Today has a story quoting just about all the candidate

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Democratic candidates for governor and Mendela Barnes honest, they actually say.

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't figure out what his response was. Joel Brennan

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>was babbling too. Otherwise, All Mard favor of it, and

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Tom Tiffany, the Republican, he's against it. This may actually

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>be a good thing that this is being proposed, because

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 2>it might give Tiffany a campaign issue on the same

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 2>way that Walker used it by asking the residents of

0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 2>all the rest of Wisconsin, and for that matter, even

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>southeastern Wisconsin. We've seen Kenosha Sheboygan filic. Why do you

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>want to pay for this for this train that is

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>nowhere near you that you would never use. I've got

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 2>another story here. For whatever reason, over the last few years,

0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I've done an unusual a high number of fishing stories,

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 2>which is weird because I don't go fishing. I just

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:16.000
<v Speaker 2>can't bring myself to do it. Jason's are no producer.

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you fish? Not at all? I believe I lacked

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the requisite patience to do it. It's probably one of

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>those things that if I you know I as a kid,

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 2>we grew up on the Fox River in which the

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>only fish species floating around at all were carp Even

0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the bullheads were dead just carp. I did we did

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.560
<v Speaker 2>go fishing for those carp a few times, just as

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>something to do. But that was a You know, this

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 2>is when I was a kid. There's no internet, there's

0:34:51.160 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 2>no gaming, there's nothing. When you have nothing else, they

0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>don't go down to the river and fish. I never

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>got it. Anyway, These stories just seem to come toward me. Now.

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 2>A listener tipped me off to the story. It's actually

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>reported today in the prededition of the Journal Sentinel. There's

0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 2>a controversy going on in northern Wisconsin on the tribal

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>land controlled by the Lock de Flambeaud band of the

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Chipwa was The Lock de Flambeaud, for whatever reason, are

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 2>always involved in controversy, and what they have done is

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 2>closed off access to several lakes on their reservation to

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 2>non tribal members. This is creating a very The tribes

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.839
<v Speaker 2>are claiming that these lakes are being overfished. I can't

0:35:39.840 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 2>speak to whether they are or they are. We have

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>a law on Wisconsin that all navigable. That means you

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>can travel on it all navigable waterways. This would exclude

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 2>say a little criek that doesn't go from here from

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 2>point A to point B. You just gotta stop any

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 2>navigable waterway is open to the public. It's a controversy

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 2>in many of the communities in the lake country here

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 2>in southeast and Wisconsin. People at these really really expensive

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>homes in the lake, and here comes Joe Bubba backing

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 2>up and taking his jet skis and his wave runners

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and all of this other stuff and putting it on

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>the lake and yelling and screaming and hollowing and partying

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>on the boat next to these people, the rich people

0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 2>on the lake shore. It's controversy, but the law on

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Wisconsin is everybody has access to the lake. Indian reservations,

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:35.840
<v Speaker 2>of course, are a special kind of thing. The tribes

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>are sovereign nations and all of them cut contracts in

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 2>the federal government back in the eighteen hundreds in which

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>there was some level of sovereignty to the tribes. They

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 2>are American citizens, but they're also members of their own tribe.

0:36:48.239 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 2>They do have to follow American laws in some areas,

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:55.239
<v Speaker 2>but in many cases they are exempted. It's why the

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.800
<v Speaker 2>federal courts have ruled in in Wisconsin, the Native Americans

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 2>are able to operate casinos, but nobody else's so can

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.319
<v Speaker 2>they close off the lakes? And claim that we own

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:10.399
<v Speaker 2>these lakes because they're on our reservation, which nobody would

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:12.600
<v Speaker 2>be able to do. For example, the people who live

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 2>on Lake Nagaweka, who live alongside the lake, can't say

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that we own the lake. You don't you want right

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:31.240
<v Speaker 2>up to the shoreline. That's it. The tribes, and another

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>thing I should mention about the tribes. Native American tribes

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 2>do not consider one another to be like brothers. The

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Potawatabes do not consider themselves brothers. For example, of them nobbities.

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 2>When they operate their tribal casinos. The members of that

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 2>particular tribe get all the money. They don't share the wealth,

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and in fact, many of them don't get along. Potawatabe

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>forever has tried to stop the Monomine from building a

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>cas and Kenosha. So if people say these rich Indians

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>are being greedy here, the lack de Flambeau aren't rich.

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 2>They don't have an off reservation casino yet, I don't believe.

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>And they treasure the land that they're on and they

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>think that it's being overfished, or maybe they just don't

0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>want a bunch of white guys hauling up in their

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:29.000
<v Speaker 2>ford expeditions, putting their big boats in their legs. The

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.799
<v Speaker 2>state of Wisconsin is now suing the tribes, claiming that

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>the tribes can't deny access to the lakes. You're listening

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>to the Mark Belling podcast. This is the Mark Belling podcast.

0:38:47.520 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's discuss the intriguing case of one Kirk Bangstead. The

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>story is being misunderstood by a lot of people, particularly

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I won't even just say around the country, even in Wisconsin.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 2>He's the loudmouth who owns this little brew pub in

0:39:06.080 --> 0:39:09.439
<v Speaker 2>Monocola called Monocua Brewing Company, and a lot of people

0:39:09.520 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 2>think that's all he is, that he has a brew pub.

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:20.320
<v Speaker 2>He's actually the guy who fronts a major American political

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>super pac. He's just the front man. The money doesn't

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>come from him, maybe a little pittance. He calls it

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Monocua Brewing Company super pac. I think the reason that

0:39:37.840 --> 0:39:42.760
<v Speaker 2>big money American lefties donate to it is it makes

0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 2>it look like this is just a small Wisconsin business

0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>trying to influence public policy. What it is is money laundering.

0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 2>It's legal money laundering. I can give money, for example,

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 2>to a political action committee. I have the right to

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 2>do it, and I can give money to if I

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 2>had lost my mind to the Monocua brewing company super Pac.

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 2>But a super pack that's named after a local brewery

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.719
<v Speaker 2>might sound a little bit more friendly than one of

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 2>these ninety seven zillion others that are just they've got

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 2>shadowy names with shadowy figures. Bankstad commented after the assassination

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:28.760
<v Speaker 2>attend to President Trump at the Whitehouse Correspondence Association dinner

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:33.240
<v Speaker 2>that too bad they missed. Continue to offer free drinks

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.480
<v Speaker 2>at his brew pub up there on monoco if somebody

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>actually does kill Trump. Now, a lot of people have

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 2>said things like this on both sides, and usually they

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 2>fall on their sword and apologize, in some cases actually remorseful.

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:56.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a stupid thing to say. Our own. Dan O'Donnell

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:58.719
<v Speaker 2>got into trouble for a post that he made about

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Tim Waltz apologized. I don't know any of the background,

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 2>but Dan was off the ear for a little while.

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:11.359
<v Speaker 2>There are consequences for what, and he apologize. There are

0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 2>increasingly no consequences for people on the left. In bank

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 2>says case, he's stumbling out at it, probably figuring nobody

0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 2>can fire me. I run the super pack myself, and

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 2>this rinky dink little brewery in which I have my

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 2>water down crappy beer up there, a bunch of lefties

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:36.920
<v Speaker 2>come into it, nobody can do anything to me. So

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say it again, Yeah, you ought to

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 2>be shot. So all the Democratic candidates are governor. They're

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 2>running away from this because most Americans don't like this

0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 2>kind of rhetoric no matter where it comes from. The

0:41:47.600 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 2>differenced on the left and on the right, there are

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>actual consequences for somebody on the right who says something

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 2>like this, and the left anymore is just completely unapologetic

0:41:55.520 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>about it. So now Banks SAIDs running for governor, He's

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.720
<v Speaker 2>taking the publicity that he got from this and saying

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not only doubling down, I'm tripling down. I'm not

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:11.040
<v Speaker 2>only not going to retract my wish for Trump to

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>be killed. I'm going to say it to get it

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:14.759
<v Speaker 2>again and again, and I'm gonna make it a referendum

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>of Democratic voters. I'm going to join the ninety seven

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>other wing nuts that are running for governor on the

0:42:20.080 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Democratic side. And I'm sure he's figuring, Look, we got

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 2>like seven eight nine candidates running. You don't need a

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.400
<v Speaker 2>great percentage in order to be the winning Democratic candidate.

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I can get eighteen to twenty percent of the

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.720
<v Speaker 2>people out here on the left unhinged enough will also

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:40.480
<v Speaker 2>want Trump to be killed to vote for me. It

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>also gives him free publicity to spread his hate. I

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 2>have another theory, though, As I said, he's the frontman

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 2>for a super pack. It's er pm other people's money.

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:58.320
<v Speaker 2>He may have figured that, after he made these statements

0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 2>about wishing Trump was killed, that some of the lefty

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 2>donors to the super pac might decide he's too hot

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 2>to handle and they're gonna put their money into one

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 2>of the other nine trillion lefty super PACs that are

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 2>out there. So he figures, if my super pac gonna

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>fizzle away because nobody's putting any money into it anymore,

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna raise money myself for my own campaign,

0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 2>raise it from unhinged fellow lefties like me, run around,

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 2>repeat all of the stuff, and have a great grand

0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 2>old time, and maybe drop out a couple of weeks

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.280
<v Speaker 2>before the election rather than face the humiliation of getting killed.

0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:41.439
<v Speaker 2>More Democratic politics, there's a character named Peter Pergellis. He's

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:43.400
<v Speaker 2>an alderman from the city of Milwaukee. No this is

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. To be a left is to be a hypocrite.

0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>It's impossible to not be a progressive or a liberal

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:56.959
<v Speaker 2>and a hypocrite because almost always one of the things

0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 2>that they say that they believe in comes into conflict

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 2>with something else that they say that they believe it.

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:05.760
<v Speaker 2>In addition to that, they just think that the stuff

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 2>that they carry out about never applies to them right.

0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Bergellius is an alderman on the south side of the

0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 2>city of Milwaukee. One of the issues that he's been

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.759
<v Speaker 2>making his bones on is he's railing against the end

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.080
<v Speaker 2>of the residency rule for city employees. It's been gone

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>for years and years and years. It used to be

0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 2>that if you work for the city of Milwaukee or

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>you work for the Milwaukee Public Schools, you had to

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>live in the city limits of Milwaukee. Hardly anybody else

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>in the state of Wisconsin had that rule, but Milwaukee

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 2>had it. Weirdly, even though the Democrats of the Pro

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Union Party, Pro Public Union Party, and the Republicans have

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.319
<v Speaker 2>been opposed to the Teachers' Union, these Republicans that were

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 2>opposed to the residency rule. In particular, a lot of

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 2>cops and firefighters were choosing not to work in Milwaukee

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:55.680
<v Speaker 2>because they didn't want to live in the high crime city.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>And you were ending up having had adminished job applicant

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.479
<v Speaker 2>pool because you were excluding all the people who didn't

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.479
<v Speaker 2>live in the city. But again, that was years ago

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 2>that that happened. It's not even a new thing, but

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Brigellis is still railing about it. And one of the

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 2>things that is indeed happened since the Residence zero was dropped.

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 2>It's been part of the death of the middle class

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>in the city of Milwaukee. Milwaukee is a city that

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>has lots of affluent homes downtown, third ward, Upper east Side,

0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 2>a few middle class areas, but mostly the rest of

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 2>it is rather impoverished. The middle class has gone and

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 2>all these public employees leaving has accelerated that. And I

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>grant you that that's been one of the ramifications of

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>ending the Residence zero. Anyway, Brigellis is constantly railing against

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the loss of the Residen zero. All right, Burgellis has

0:45:42.600 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>just decided that he's going to run for Congress. The

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>congressional district in the southeastern corner of the state has

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:54.479
<v Speaker 2>been held for several years by Republican Bryan Style. It's

0:45:54.600 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 2>a Republican leaning district, but not overwhelmingly so Style Hill

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>has the seat, and before him, this was Paul Ryan's history,

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 2>so the Republicans have had it for some time, but

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it's not as say, overwhelmingly Republican as a couple of

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the other districts in the state. It's one that in

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.760
<v Speaker 2>a big Democratic year, the Democrats think maybe they could flip.

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:17.399
<v Speaker 2>And some think that twenty six will be a big

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Democratic year. So Burgellis is running in this district. Now,

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:25.320
<v Speaker 2>roughly the district is the southern portion of Milwaukee County,

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:30.880
<v Speaker 2>all overre Seen and Kenosha Counties and then west to

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Walworth County. I think there's some southern Wakasho in it

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 2>and maybe a little bit of going into Rock, but

0:46:38.200 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 2>basically the southeastern corner of the state. Burgellis wants to

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 2>run as a Democrat in that district. Here's a beautiful thing,

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.040
<v Speaker 2>as I said, to be a Democrat as a hypocrite.

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Burgellis doesn't live in the district, mister residency rule, it's

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 2>running for Congress in a district that he doesn't reside in.

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.799
<v Speaker 2>So Bergelis thinks that in order to be say a

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>teacher in Milwaukee have to live in Milwaukee, but he's

0:47:07.560 --> 0:47:09.799
<v Speaker 2>running for Congress in a district he doesn't live in. Now,

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing illegal about it. The law does not require

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>you to live in a congressional district that you're running in.

0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 2>What it does require is if you are elected, you

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 2>move into that district. Now, this has been scammed also

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 2>for years. There are some members of the Congress that

0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:30.520
<v Speaker 2>don't even live in their home state. They just live

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.959
<v Speaker 2>year round in DC and they may come back every

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 2>now and then without a permanent residence. Or Henry Royce

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the Lake Congress and from Milwaukee, he had a po

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 2>boxes his address ferrate it never residents Milwaukee for the

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.879
<v Speaker 2>number of years. But you have to at least come

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:48.719
<v Speaker 2>up with an actual add So Burgella says, if I win,

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll move into the district. But he knows he's probably

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 2>gonna lose. So it's not like he's going to buy

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 2>a house and run a place somewhere. Other than that,

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 2>he wants to stay where he is. And again a

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of others have done this, but how many have

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>done it who have made their biggest political issue to

0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 2>rail in favor of a residence who over city employees.

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:09.479
<v Speaker 2>But now he's running in a congression. So you people

0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.640
<v Speaker 2>have we sin and you got a ironic who does

0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 2>not live in your district but thinks that some poor

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 2>schmoe who works for the city clerk in Milwaukee they

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>should have to live in Milwaukee. Some people ask me

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 2>what I did during the four months that the podcast

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 2>is on hiatus. Mostly find out about stories like this

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and rant and raved to nobody. In particular. I'd post

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 2>a few things on x but other than that, I'd

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 2>have to just like, let this sit, let this out

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.880
<v Speaker 2>there sit, because I got nobody. I'm in Florida. I

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.440
<v Speaker 2>supposed to tell this to somebody at a bar in Florida. Hey,

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 2>we've got this guy, but I'm back. Here's an ex one.

0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I have referred to certain stories as the perfect story.

0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>The perfect story is one that is interesting in and

0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:08.280
<v Speaker 2>of itself, sometimes really interesting. This one's not really interesting,

0:49:08.400 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 2>just interesting. But more importantly, they raise larger issues beyond

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that issue. In other words, it's a teaching point for

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 2>everything else. As you may know, the city of Milwaukee

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>is having a significant problem with troublemakers and street takeovers

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 2>at night. For several years, the problem was on Water Street.

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Now that they've tried to seal off Water Street and

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>stop the chaos and mayhem and often violence there, the

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 2>takeovers are moving to other parts of town. There was

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 2>a big one in the Bayview area a few days ago.

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.160
<v Speaker 2>There are many people who believe that the lakefront of

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee is on borrowed time, that there are going to

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:57.080
<v Speaker 2>be some there. What happens is young people go on

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to social media and say, let's just go down there

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 2>and take over the street and aus mehim. And when

0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 2>hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them do that, the

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 2>forty or fifty or sixty cops who show up seem

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to be powerless to do anything about it, or have

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 2>been rendered powerless because their instructions are not to try

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to grab up as many people and arrest them because

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it will just make things worse. So Milwaukee's attempting to

0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:27.799
<v Speaker 2>do something about this very similar to they're ripping up

0:50:27.840 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 2>of all the streets in downtown Milwaukee on the east

0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>side and taking out traffic lanes and putting in concrete

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 2>medians in the middle of the traffic lane to create

0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 2>a separate bike lane, and putting in all these cones

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.799
<v Speaker 2>and bumpers and tons of speed bumps and making all

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the streets and obstacle. Course, this is their way of

0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:51.360
<v Speaker 2>stopping reckless driving. Their approach now to get rid of

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the street takeover says they're going to make the food

0:50:55.120 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 2>trucks shut down at ten o'clock at Apparently I had

0:51:00.200 --> 0:51:05.000
<v Speaker 2>an expert of this, because I have never gone to

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 2>a food truck after ten o'clock a night in my life.

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I don't think I've ever gone to a

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>food truck. Depend on what you describe them, and like,

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're at like a church festival or a fair

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and somebody's got like a thing that they drive in,

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I've gone to those so far as I can tell.

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 2>The If you go to a food truck, you better

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 2>like tacos, because I don't have you ever seen a

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 2>food truck that sells anything else? Are they? Aren't they

0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:30.719
<v Speaker 2>all tacos? Have you ever been to one of them?

0:51:31.600 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 2>You've seen pizza? Do they make the pizza there and

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 2>put it into the oven or they just make it

0:51:37.719 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 2>in there and they warm it up a little bit

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 2>in a microwave they make it? Oh, I would think

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 2>that'd be a fire hazard. I mean, a good pizza

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.680
<v Speaker 2>of it is like seven hundred degrees. I don't want

0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 2>any say anyway. So the food truck operators, they're all

0:51:57.200 --> 0:51:59.839
<v Speaker 2>hacked off. They say, we make most of our money

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:04.320
<v Speaker 2>after ten o'clock. Now I want to look down my

0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 2>nose at this. But I was once young, when I

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 2>was like in my heyday, centuries ago, decades ago, it

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.520
<v Speaker 2>was not uncommon after bar time, which in Milwaukee on

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:24.319
<v Speaker 2>weekends was two thirty to go out to eat. I mean,

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 2>my Fisher's was a twenty four hour place, and it

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.600
<v Speaker 2>was packed at two thirty in the morning. All the

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:34.440
<v Speaker 2>George Webbs there was on Van Buren Street where the

0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Mentro Market is now. There was a Marx big Boy.

0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>That place would be mob with people who left victors

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 2>two thirty three, three fifteen in the morning, and I'll

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>admit I've done that. Another one people would go and

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:53.080
<v Speaker 2>get rib some seed quin. So I'm not going to

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 2>say that I can't imagine eating that late at night,

0:52:56.719 --> 0:52:59.759
<v Speaker 2>because I've eaten much later than that. But I can't

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:01.800
<v Speaker 2>fair of them anymore. I mean, I don't want to

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:03.320
<v Speaker 2>eat right before I go to bed, get you know,

0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:06.759
<v Speaker 2>and sleep right anyway, they say they do most of

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 2>their business, and apparently the city is of the opinion

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>that these food trucks are attracting big, giant crowds to

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 2>hang around them, often of people who are not old

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 2>enough to go on the bars. Many of the street

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 2>takers of our people not people that are going to

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:22.319
<v Speaker 2>a bar area. They're going to a barrier because that's

0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:23.880
<v Speaker 2>what people are hanging around, but they're not actually going

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 2>to the bars because many of them are way too young.

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 2>But they're not too young to go to a street

0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 2>to a food truck. So the city is saying, let's

0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 2>get rid of the food trucks. Maybe that will solve

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 2>the street takeover problem. Now, I actually don't care if

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:43.520
<v Speaker 2>they tell the food trucks they have to shut down

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 2>at ten o'clock at night. Ideologically I would say no,

0:53:48.280 --> 0:53:50.359
<v Speaker 2>they're a private businesses that can operate if they want

0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>to operate. But frankly, I don't really care every issue

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I've talked about. I care more about whether or not

0:53:57.040 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 2>we should allow the food trucks to be open after

0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock or not. The reason I bring this up

0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:07.480
<v Speaker 2>is it raises the larger point leftist leaders don't know

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 2>how to deal with the actual problem, so they do

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 2>something else. In the same way that you put all

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.319
<v Speaker 2>of these extra lanes on roads to make it impossible

0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:18.200
<v Speaker 2>for somebody to drive eighty five, you can't drive twenty

0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:21.080
<v Speaker 2>five on some of these streets. Let's get rid of

0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.760
<v Speaker 2>anything that might actually draw people down to an area.

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Rather than do what needs to be done, have a

0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:30.440
<v Speaker 2>major show of force, grab up as many people. They

0:54:30.440 --> 0:54:32.600
<v Speaker 2>don't call them patty wagons anymore. Do you know that

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:38.480
<v Speaker 2>you've heard the term paddy wagon? Yeah, you know you're

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.600
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to say that's supposed to say that anymore.

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I just followed this out. Apparently Irish people think that

0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:47.640
<v Speaker 2>that's some sort of ethnic slur. I did not. I

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Apparently that is the legacy of it. Drunken Irish people

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.520
<v Speaker 2>were thrown in, just thrown into the thing, and they

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.600
<v Speaker 2>haul thirty people. I never knew that that's where the

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 2>term paddy wagon came from. What paddy wagon is What

0:54:57.520 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 2>you do is you throw like zillions of people you're

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.520
<v Speaker 2>arrested in there and haul them all over to the jail.

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Rather than grab up these hooligans, throw them in jail

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 2>and take your good and sweet time before they get

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 2>to see a judge not release them. A little bit

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 2>later on, Oh, actually, but the city of Milwaukee is

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 2>not going to mass arrest hundreds of young people and

0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 2>run the risk that this is going to inflame and

0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 2>incite the crowd. So they're sitting back and trying to go, oh, please,

0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:28.359
<v Speaker 2>don't do it. Let's get rid of the food trucks.

0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 2>The next thing you know, they're going to say the

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 2>bars have to close at ten o'clock at night, all

0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>because they're unwilling to confront the actual problem. And now this,

0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:45.640
<v Speaker 2>this story is really cool. I said, I've had four

0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:47.880
<v Speaker 2>months in order to do the podcast, but everything that

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I've done here is actually recent. It's not like I'm

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.400
<v Speaker 2>going back to February seventh and pulling something out of

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Here's something not this. This story was broken by Wisconsin

0:55:56.280 --> 0:56:06.440
<v Speaker 2>right now. This is really good. Municipal judges need to

0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>explain what they are. In the state of Wisconsin, we

0:56:11.040 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 2>have circuit courts and they're divided by county. Every county

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:17.760
<v Speaker 2>has a circuit court, and every one of those counties

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.600
<v Speaker 2>as a district attorney. That's the person who prosecutes offenders

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 2>in the circuit court. The circuit court handles almost all cases,

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 2>not just criminal cases, divorces, lawsuits, child custody, corporate issues,

0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>zillions of stuff, challenges the state laws for the offenses

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:44.560
<v Speaker 2>that are below that. Essentially this is oversimplifying, but not much.

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Say traffic tickets and ordinance violations. If you have a

0:56:48.000 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 2>violation of a municipal ordinance, that's not a violation of

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 2>criminal law. A lot of speeding tickets, for example, go

0:56:57.160 --> 0:57:05.040
<v Speaker 2>to municipal court. Other stuff is well. Each municipality has

0:57:05.040 --> 0:57:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a municipal court, and several municipalities throw in together and

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:12.720
<v Speaker 2>have a joint municipal court, and they have municipal judges.

0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Other than in the city of Milwaukee because of its size,

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:23.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe Madison, the municipal judges are not full time positions.

0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:25.840
<v Speaker 2>There just isn't enough activity to do it to warrant it.

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:29.760
<v Speaker 2>So they tend to be lawyers who take on the

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 2>municipal judgeship as a side gig. And as I say,

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 2>there's just a lot of them all over the place.

0:57:37.160 --> 0:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>You've had a community somewhere, you've got a municipal judge.

0:57:42.760 --> 0:57:45.200
<v Speaker 2>In the Lake Country, this is the area in Walker

0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Shore County. We call it the Lake Country. For those

0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>of you are not from southeastern Wisconsin. We call it

0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the Lake Country because a lot of lakes, a number

0:57:56.160 --> 0:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>of communities have thrown together, and they have a municipal

0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 2>court called the Lake Country Municipal Court. The judge who

0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 2>presides over that court is named Timothy k. He's apparently

0:58:09.080 --> 0:58:12.040
<v Speaker 2>had the gig for some time. He's a lawyer. He's

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:16.479
<v Speaker 2>a lawyer in somewhere out there might be a econum walk.

0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:20.040
<v Speaker 2>But he's also the municipal judge for the Lake Country.

0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 2>So he's got a guy who appears before him. His

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<v Speaker 2>name is Matt Cole. He got a ticket for speeding. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea about this municipality, but there's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an there's an unwritten rule. Again, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it still applies everywhere, but usually in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>if you got a ticket and you showed up in court,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd reduce it. You would agree to plead guilty and

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<v Speaker 2>they would reduce the charge. So a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>would show up in court just for that reason. This

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<v Speaker 2>would be an issue, for example, for people who if

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<v Speaker 2>you already have points points numbers that they put against

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<v Speaker 2>your driver's license, if you go over a certain number,

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<v Speaker 2>they can suspend a revocual license. You might want to

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<v Speaker 2>try to plead down a violation that's a three point

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<v Speaker 2>violation to getting a fine for the same dollar amount

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<v Speaker 2>but no points. So it used to be just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like an unwritten rule that if you show up,

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<v Speaker 2>the judge would reduce the punishment for you under the

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<v Speaker 2>citation that you had. I don't know if that's the

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<v Speaker 2>root of this case, but Matt Coleb appeared before the

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Country municipal judge Timothy K. Corb didn't like the outcome. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>municipal judges, I'm getting to know Jason the new producer here.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are you from? Originally he grew up in Displains.

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<v Speaker 2>I know where that exactly where that is. It's west

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<v Speaker 2>of the city of Chicago. Municipal judges in Wisconsin. Like

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<v Speaker 2>everything else, talk show hosts, podcasters, plumbers, there's really good,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of average, some that aren't very good, and

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<v Speaker 2>some that stank. If I had five hours here, I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you a story about an issue I had with

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<v Speaker 2>a municipal judge in the city of Lacrosse when I

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<v Speaker 2>went to college. But I don't have those five hours

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<v Speaker 2>in any of it. They're very low prof oppositions. In

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<v Speaker 2>some cases they're elected, in other cases they're appointed by

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<v Speaker 2>the tom board of the village board, the city council

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<v Speaker 2>and so on. Hardly ever is their opposition. But when

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<v Speaker 2>they hire somebody for it, a lot of people want

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<v Speaker 2>to get it because it pays pretty good for the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers that aren't overwhelmed with work. And in some of

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<v Speaker 2>the communities they hold the court at night, maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>night a week or two nights a week, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>an additional spiff to your income. So remember, now, this

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<v Speaker 2>judge k also has a private legal practice, which you

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<v Speaker 2>see is majority of his work. So the sky cop

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<v Speaker 2>appears before him for speeding. He's apparently fighting the charge,

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<v Speaker 2>and the judge convicted him, and cop is not happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine in Wisconsin in the last twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>this has happened three hundred thousand times. Somebody went to

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<v Speaker 2>municipal court and left unhappy. All you have to do

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<v Speaker 2>is watch police videos on YouTube. I mean, actually, and

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<v Speaker 2>I understand, the only ones they show the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>the cops tip off the people who will do these

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<v Speaker 2>things on YouTube, they tap them off when somebody's a

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<v Speaker 2>dank Because what's the point of watching a video. They

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<v Speaker 2>pull somebody over like me, ohkay, you have a ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>I just steer, They give me the ticket and I

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<v Speaker 2>drive off. That's boring. You only see the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are people are ballistic or the idiot sovereign citizens or

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<v Speaker 2>people who go nuts and cannon and go out of

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<v Speaker 2>their mind. So I don't know if there've been this

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<v Speaker 2>number of people that have gone out of their mind forever,

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<v Speaker 2>or if YouTube just makes it seem like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>people fight these Some of people fight these tickets. They

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<v Speaker 2>go to courtA they don't like it. Well, the judge

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<v Speaker 2>didn't let them out of the ticket. So what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think Cold does? By the way, Jason, if you

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the story, you have again, I've been away.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many other people know of this

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<v Speaker 2>same But anyway, Cold gets hacked off. So he goes

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<v Speaker 2>to post an online review of the judge's private legal practice.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean almost everything, there's a place Google. There's Google

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<v Speaker 2>reviews and yell review I don't even know what they

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<v Speaker 2>all are. They're really big in restaurants, so a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are gonna go check their reviews on a restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>I find those reviews to be very unreliable if you

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<v Speaker 2>ever read them. So the rest of reviews, they often

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<v Speaker 2>have nothing to do with the quality of the food.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the waiter took five minutes too long to

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<v Speaker 2>bring the check. They put that in there. Well, that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean they're gonna scow bringing the check up to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing with hotels. But like if you don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>what's something to go on? Now, Remember, this guy called

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<v Speaker 2>was not a law client of K, but he went

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<v Speaker 2>to K's law firm's site and put a review up

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<v Speaker 2>and gave him one star. That's the worst. He put

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<v Speaker 2>up a one story review of this guy as a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 2>even though, in fairness to the judge, he wasn't a client,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a BS review. He's not reviewing this thing

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<v Speaker 2>as a judge because they don't have a review system

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<v Speaker 2>for judges up there, but he trashed him as a lawyer. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>my guess is that this now happens all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and one of the reasons that a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>reviews are unreliable is sometimes somebody just has it in

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<v Speaker 2>for the person who owns the business or whatever. Anyway

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<v Speaker 2>K sees this review, he's a judge, he hauls Cole

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<v Speaker 2>back into his little two bit municipal court and finds

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<v Speaker 2>him in contempt of court. He didn't do anything contemptuous. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>in court he found him in contempt of court and

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<v Speaker 2>gave him a new fine for posting a one star review.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's yelp. It's in here somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in the Wisconsin Right Now story, which is extensively reported.

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<v Speaker 2>It goes on eighteen thousand pages. Well, Cole reports this

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<v Speaker 2>to the City of Oconawa Police department and they investigate,

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<v Speaker 2>and the police made the determination that this is a

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<v Speaker 2>misconduct in public office. You can't find someone guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>something because they gave you a bad review on Google,

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<v Speaker 2>and they referred the criminal case to Alkashakani Distinct Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>Leslie Baisie. She declined prosecution. During the period of which

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<v Speaker 2>she declined prosecution, Kay resigned his judicial position. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>asked Basie about this, but my guess is that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a deal in which Basie said, if you resign,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't charge you. I'm not going to take charge

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<v Speaker 2>you with a crime if you agree to resign, And

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<v Speaker 2>likely if he was convicted, they'd put him on probation

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<v Speaker 2>and make one of the terms of probation the need

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<v Speaker 2>to resign. So that's probably the way I would have

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<v Speaker 2>been handled anyway. Is it a fair resolution or not?

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<v Speaker 2>The guy have actually faced criminal charges for so grotesquely

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<v Speaker 2>abusing his power. Maybe yes, maybe, But he's off the bench,

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<v Speaker 2>and clearly he loved his gig as being the judge,

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<v Speaker 2>given the fact that he was so thin skin that

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't handle the negative. Can you imagine if I

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<v Speaker 2>latched out and everybody who ever said anything native about me,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd think that being a judge, you'd have a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>thick skin. But some of them, and again this is

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<v Speaker 2>just a municipal judge, a little tin pot. There are

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<v Speaker 2>more than one municipal judges in Waukesha County who stink.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't name any names here, but I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of discussions of some of the others. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's skilled for my association and that many

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<v Speaker 2>of the others do not. But some of these are

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers who frankly disgrace themselves. Now, I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>history of Timothy ka If I've ever met him, I've

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<v Speaker 2>forgotten it. Whether or not he's been a good job

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<v Speaker 2>over the years or not. But in this case, he

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<v Speaker 2>tried to find a guy in contempt of court because

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<v Speaker 2>he responded to a conviction in his case by posting

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<v Speaker 2>a bad I mean, what if the what if the

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<v Speaker 2>lawyer are also own like a restaurant when you go

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<v Speaker 2>on there and post a one star review saying that

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't like the hand. You're listening to the Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Belling podcast. All right, that's pretty much a wrap for

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<v Speaker 2>that come up as we go out through the course

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. I want to comment briefly on the

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky Derby for those of you're not aware. I have

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<v Speaker 2>been a long term owner of race horses and a

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<v Speaker 2>syndicate better than thirty years follow horse racing closely. I

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<v Speaker 2>posted my picks on the Kentucky Derby on my website

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<v Speaker 2>belling dot com. I did both good and bad. Of

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<v Speaker 2>the four horses that I liked a lot, and I

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<v Speaker 2>picked them in order. There are four that I suggested

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<v Speaker 2>putting in an exact box. Three of the four hit

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<v Speaker 2>the top five. Unfortunately I didn't have the winner at all.

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<v Speaker 2>For those of you who watched the race, we call

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<v Speaker 2>them racing a meltoun. It was a meltown. They went

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<v Speaker 2>so fast so early that all of the horses that

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<v Speaker 2>were anywhere near the front spit it out and were

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<v Speaker 2>on fumes in the last eighth the sixteenth of a mile,

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<v Speaker 2>and the top three horses all came from the rear.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, going into the final turn, of the four

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<v Speaker 2>horses that were the fourth last horses, three of those

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<v Speaker 2>four finished in the top three. In other words, the

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<v Speaker 2>speed just stopped and the closers all came flying, and

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<v Speaker 2>this horse named Golden Tempo came flying the best and

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<v Speaker 2>got up in won. He was something of a log shot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't see the horse winning. In fact, I

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<v Speaker 2>generally have a bias against these very very deep closures

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<v Speaker 2>because often if you're coming from way back, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to weave through so much traffic. In this case, these

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<v Speaker 2>horses were so far back and the horses in front

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<v Speaker 2>of them were all slowing down. In the case of

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Temple, he had no traffic at all. He just

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<v Speaker 2>went around all the other horses that were slowing down,

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<v Speaker 2>and he didn't he a little bit of a bump

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<v Speaker 2>in mid stretcher a horse was close to him in

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<v Speaker 2>mid stretch, but otherwise he just flew all the way

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<v Speaker 2>to the wind. And it was the first win ever

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<v Speaker 2>by a female trainer in the Kentucky Derby. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the first Triple Crown win. Female trainer won the Belmont

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<v Speaker 2>Stakes a couple of years ago. First time a female trainer.

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<v Speaker 2>Sharitavo one has trained a Kentucky Derby winner. And two

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<v Speaker 2>of the greatest jockeys and thoroughbit racing are brothers or

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<v Speaker 2>Rod or Teas. Who's a little bit better at Jose

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<v Speaker 2>or Teas And it's been sticking in Jose's craw forever

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<v Speaker 2>that people said, well, Rod's a little bit better, But

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<v Speaker 2>they're probably both in the top four or five jockeys

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. Some think a rat is the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Jose won the race and a rad Red second. See

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<v Speaker 2>had brothers that ran one two and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>simply a function of the fact that they were both

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<v Speaker 2>on closers. One of the favorites in the race was

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<v Speaker 2>the one that a Rod was on and Jose was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit wider and therefore was able to close

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better. And an update on my own

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<v Speaker 2>race horses. This is this for people who don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>why you get so excited when you win a horse race.

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<v Speaker 2>You have little You just have no idea how impossible

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<v Speaker 2>it is. For everything that can go right, fifteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>things can go wrong. We had a horse yesterday in

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<v Speaker 2>Canada making his career debut, first time started. He shows

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<v Speaker 2>signs that he might be very good, and those signs

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<v Speaker 2>are just you know, the trainer's evaluation of how the

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<v Speaker 2>horse is working out and so on. The track in Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>Woodbine is a mid tier track. It's not at the

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<v Speaker 2>highest level of racing like say Churchill Downs or they're

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<v Speaker 2>on the Derby. It'd be like on one level below that.

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<v Speaker 2>The horse is a Canadian bread, which is what bread

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<v Speaker 2>in Canada, which is why we's starting him out at Woodbine.

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<v Speaker 2>It was his career debut and he had the inside.

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<v Speaker 2>Poe was the rail That's often a problem for first

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<v Speaker 2>time starters because they tend not to break well when

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<v Speaker 2>they're inside. They see that starting gate right next to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and they may shy away a bit, or if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a gap between the starting gate and the inside rail,

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<v Speaker 2>they may break inside. And indeed he broke a little slowly,

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<v Speaker 2>not real slowly, but spot of the field like two

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<v Speaker 2>lengths coming out of the gate. But he had the

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<v Speaker 2>rail end. He has a lot of natural speed, so

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<v Speaker 2>the riders just let him accelerate right up inside the rail,

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<v Speaker 2>and it wasn't long before he was in first, just

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<v Speaker 2>scooting up the rail, and he never turned back and

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<v Speaker 2>won very comfortably. I won't say wired a wire because

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<v Speaker 2>wire implies right when to get off the break, but

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<v Speaker 2>virtually wired a wire. He got to the lead very

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<v Speaker 2>very soon and was never passed and won the race.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the good news. The bad news the erasing stewards

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<v Speaker 2>determined that during this period in which he came up

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<v Speaker 2>the gate and moved up inside, he impeded the two

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<v Speaker 2>horse that was right next to him. These kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>things in racing are always controversial. Racing as a sport

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<v Speaker 2>is always at instant replay. There's always reviews after the race,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Stewart's posted an inquiry and the jockey and

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<v Speaker 2>the other horse raised an objection. I've seen a zillion

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<v Speaker 2>of these, and everybody has an opinion, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>telling you, obviously I'm biased. I own the horse that

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<v Speaker 2>the foul claim was made against. I see worse than

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<v Speaker 2>this every day, especially out of the starting gate. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very hard, especially when you have horses that our young

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<v Speaker 2>horses are running for the first time, to break out

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<v Speaker 2>of the gate absolutely dead straight. They often break in

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<v Speaker 2>a tangle and there's a little bit of bumping coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of the gate. Watch the beginning of the Kentucky Derby.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like four or five horses that are squeezed coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of there. There's no inquirer or anything on this. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>when our horse came through, he's the one horse he

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<v Speaker 2>has the inside path. If he only broke a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit slowly, it's hard to imagine how they can claim

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<v Speaker 2>that he didn't have the right to the inside path

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<v Speaker 2>when he's breaking from this. He did move a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit to his right a bit. I thought it was nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've seen far worse. The horse that he allegedly impeded,

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<v Speaker 2>finished all the way down at fifth place. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there was. It was an eight horse field in my recollection.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were disqualified and moved to six. No purse money,

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing, even though he was clearly the best horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Now my good news bad news thing. Would I have

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<v Speaker 2>rather he finished, say second or third, running average, or

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<v Speaker 2>would I rather we be decued all the way to six?

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<v Speaker 2>But he ran spectacularly. It's the second because in the

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<v Speaker 2>short term, while we didn't get the way to it

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<v Speaker 2>to get that person, we know we have a very

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<v Speaker 2>good horse. So in his next race, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>come right back at the same level, which is horses

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<v Speaker 2>that have never won. He ole have run for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time, and he'll face the same class of horse

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<v Speaker 2>again and shouldn't have much trouble beating them. And he

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<v Speaker 2>indicates that his future may be very very bright, that

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<v Speaker 2>he may be really good. But for those of you

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<v Speaker 2>that are into horse racing, it was the sixth race

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<v Speaker 2>at would buy it on Sunday. His name is Wilful Warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to see a preposterous disqualification, that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know a guy that actually got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money at our horse. He's the one that's hacked off

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<v Speaker 2>because the ticket went on to be worthless. So in

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<v Speaker 2>our case, we didn't win any money with the race

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<v Speaker 2>that we may have a pretty good raceourse. Okay, that's

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