1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Take action in your own community. Go to iHeartRadio dot com, 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: slash Earth, the Schumer shut Down, the events of the day, Portland, Chicago, 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: violent crime every day, Israel, Amas Peace, fifty five KRS. 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: The Talk Station. Let me see your whole palace? 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: All else, all else, what all else? 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: We will be very, very angry with you, and we 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: will write you a letter telling you how angry were 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: you are. Hans Blick's approach paralleling the chief of police, 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: I guess. Brian Thomas here, happy to welcome back to 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: the fifty five KARSEE Morning Show. Can Cober, the president 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: of the Fraternal or Police Chapter sixty nine, which represents 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: the Insant Police Department. Ken Cober, are always a pleasure to 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: have you on the fifty five KRC Morning Show. 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Hey, good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me. 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: Too bad. There's nothing to talk about, right Ken? What's 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: your react? You got a couple more shootings. Violence obviously 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: a real problem the city of Cincinnati residents at least 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: feel violence is a problem. You When I could cite 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: all day long the number of crimes and violence and 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: shootings and murders and everything else that's going on in 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati, we i think we have a 22 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: crime problem. It seems that way up until like a 23 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: moment in time ago have tab Purvol denying that we 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: have a problem, thinking that Maga is going to like 25 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: ruin the progress we've made in terms of safety. I 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 2: saw his campaign literature the other day. He kept talking 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: about how safe we are, and I don't feel that way. 28 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: What is your reaction? What is your perception at least 29 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 2: the Sinnti Police Department, the officers that you represent, their 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: perception of safety and how what is their perception of 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: the mayor? I know you got a new confidence vote 32 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: with mayor, I have tab Purvol, So let's talk. 33 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: Well, I could tell you, you know the perception and 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: it's it's actually reality is that crime is running rampant 35 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: right now. And you know the member spoke doing a 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: vote of no confidence that they don't have any confidence 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: in this mayor leading the city, which is exact act 38 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: why it's done. And you know, I've been throughout the 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: districts and uh, I know it has gotten full support 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: of every officer that I've talked to. 41 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: Well, he see and I know Corey Bowman's you know 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 2: comment about aftab Parvole. He's been reactive, you know, something 43 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: bad happens. He doesn't get ahead of problems with regard 44 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: to policing, staffing, where they're located. I don't know how 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: much control Mayor aftab Parvol has about where the police 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: are allocated in terms of resources. You obviously need a 47 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: couple of hundred additional officers. That's been agoing, ongoing problem. 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: But does he have any control over how these police 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: officer resources are allocated or is that square in the 50 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: lap of police Chiefdiji? 51 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, is somebody within city administration does? I mean? 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: I know the mayor is taken credit for all the 53 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: millions of dollars that has been allocated for the police. 54 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: You know, as far as how those resources are deployed, 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a conversation that the chief has with 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: whether it's a city manager or the mayor. I do 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: believe all Tamilia, it does fall on the police chief. 58 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: But you know, of course, we have an election year, 59 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: so politics are running rampant, and there's a lot of 60 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: things that I believe politicians are interjecting themselves in that 61 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: isn't necessarily good for the police department. 62 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: Well, specifically, what I would I mean if I can say, 63 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: if if if Ken Cobra FOP president is the mayor, 64 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 2: what would you do and what what is your desire? 65 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: What are the desires of the men and women in 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: uniform right now that aren't being addressed. 67 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: Well, let the police chief the run the police department, 68 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, and let her make the decisions that she 69 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: feels she needs to make without having city leaders tell 70 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: her this is what you're gonna do. I'm a perfect 71 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: example of that. And we saw that cops are being 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: ordered to work, uh you know, work walking patrols on 73 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: their off time, on an off day, they cancel their 74 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: off days and they order them to work and you 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: know walk on Main Street and Vine Street from Central 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: Parkway to Liberty Street. That wasn't something that the police 77 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: chief just came up with. This is something that city 78 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: hall does. And it's things like that that you know, 79 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: we're we're using you know, resources there when maybe they 80 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: could be used somewhere differently. 81 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of neighborhoods in the City of 82 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: Cincinnati we've seen to be focusing on the you know, 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: like Government Square problems. I know, after that was on 84 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: a tear about the issues going on Government Square thinking 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: maybe sort of might be able to hammer it out. 86 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: What do you just real quick on that issue, because 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: I was kind of scratching my head over the mayor's 88 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: comments looking for changes to Government Square. Wow, why is 89 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: that the magnet? And if you crack down on Government Square, 90 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: which is just loading and unloading zone from my understanding 91 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: for buses, wouldn't those reckless, you know, lawbreaking youths or 92 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: whoever's hanging out there just move someplace else? 93 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: Well, you know this, this has been the topic of 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: discussion for the last two years now, is you see 95 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: what's going on with juveniles. You have juveniles that have 96 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: no business being downtown, but because they're given these bus 97 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: passes after school, they all congregate downtown. So you have 98 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: kids that don't belong and don't live downtown that are 99 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: coming down there, and of course and they're clashing with 100 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: kids from other neighborhoods that are driving this violence. And 101 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: that's that is the really the crux of what the 102 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 1: problems that we see after school at Government Square. These 103 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: aren't kids that are running around downtown that live down there. 104 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: These are kids from Evanston, from Westwood, you know, neighborhoods 105 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: all over the city that all come to the central 106 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: location that quite honestly a lot of them don't have 107 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: any business being down there to begin with. 108 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 2: So, Yeah, in spite of my reaction this morning to 109 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: what may I have to have Purwell said, so there 110 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: is really something to that. 111 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: Is it? 112 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: Is it just the transportation system generally that by concentrating 113 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: them there and by requiring all these these school aged 114 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: kids to you know, ride the metro buses and end 115 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: up in Government Square because it just that's where the 116 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 2: central location is that needs to be rethought or changed. 117 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you have, it's been suggested, and 118 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: it's fallen on fears as you have the transit center 119 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: under Second Street that that could be used for a 120 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: bus depot. That's exactly what it was built and designed 121 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and if you're if the kids are 122 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: down there, it's not an attractive. 123 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: Prince to me. 124 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's there's there's less opportunity for them to 125 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: go disrupt businesses because you're literally you know, in a 126 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: in a concrete area where it is sole purpose is 127 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: to get on one bus to go to another, you know. 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Put it in the heart of downtown, you know, at 129 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: at Fifth and Walna in fifth and Maine, and you 130 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: have an opportunity with all these businesses with people there 131 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: for kids, just to be disruptive. And like I said, 132 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: it's been talked about and there's been so much pushback 133 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: about it. That transit tunnel sits empty ninety nine percent 134 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: of the year. That's what I believe that they should 135 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: look at moving that transit center down there to alleviate 136 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: some of these problems. 137 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: It sounds like a brilliant idea. You say, there's been 138 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: pushback on that pushback, and I mean maybe not necessarily 139 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: so much from whom, But what is the argument against 140 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: what seems like a very logical solution to the problem, 141 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: at least something that it's worth trying out right, Well. 142 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: I know from the metro perspective, and I can certainly 143 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: understand where they're coming from, because you have these routes. 144 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: They have routes down to literally a tenth of a mile, 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: how long it takes, how much fuel it takes, all 146 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: these things, and their contention is if we move at 147 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: a half a mile, then the cost of doing business 148 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: is going to go up, which I understand that, but 149 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: the cost of leaving that where it is and destroying 150 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: downtown and businesses, I think is probably going to be 151 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: much greater than what the cost of fuel is going 152 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: to be to move the bus depot half a mile. 153 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: Well, if you had to crunch the numbers and the 154 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: allocation of police resources and the impact on business alone, 155 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: I have to imagine that those two costs combined are 156 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: greater than whatever it is would be the cost impact 157 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: of maybe dropping them off down Second Street. 158 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, that's what I said. I mean, we're we're 159 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: at the point now where in my twenty five year 160 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: career I hadn't heard of of one shooting at Fountain Square, 161 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: much less two in five days, And it's only a 162 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: matter of time before these businesses go Enough's enough, We're 163 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: not dealing with this anymore. You know, you have police 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: officers that are standing a Fountain Square and there are 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: people shooting each other anyway, So they've got to do 166 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: something to figure out how to deal with this. You know, 167 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: these these traditional methods of whow We're just gonna throw 168 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: fifty policemen down there. It's clearly not working. So they're 169 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: gonna have to think outside of the box and find 170 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: a way to solve this problem. And they better solve 171 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: it quickly. 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: FOP President Kenkalbra I'm gonna pause. We'll bring it back 173 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: and maybe get a few more questions about the situation 174 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: in downtown Cincinnati. We do have an election coming up. 175 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: We could choose a different path in the city, and 176 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: that's been my strong encouragement, most notably since my police 177 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: department friends don't have any confidence in have to have 178 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 2: parwall question do they have confidence in police chief? Thresa 179 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: Thiji me ask that question coming back? Can preparing you 180 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: for the next question? Seven fifteen right now fifty five 181 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: k Site talks tap the talk station seven nineteen fifty 182 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: five k ras Dan talk station. I hope you're having 183 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: a decent Tuesday. Brian Thomas with FOP President Ken Cober, 184 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: Chapter sixty nine represented this in sant Police Apartment. Ken Cober, obviously, 185 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: no confidence vote means you have no confidence in the 186 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: marif to have purvol you said, you know, leave it 187 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: the allocation of resources and police patrols and decision making 188 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: with regard to since at police department and where they 189 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: are that should be left up to police chief three. Cythigi, 190 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: Do the men and women in uniform have confidence in 191 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 2: police chief? Three? Cythigi. I've heard, and I've heard it 192 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 2: from quite a few of the officers that I know. 193 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: The answer to that question is no, that's what I 194 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: have heard. And I know it's a delicate question to 195 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: ask you, FOP President ken Kober, But where are we 196 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: with regard to police chief three Cythigi. 197 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, one's come to me and said, look, I 198 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: think we should take some kind of vote and no 199 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: confidence on the chief. And this is where a lot 200 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: of the frustration lies is in two thousand and five, 201 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: when the voters passed Issue five that gave the city 202 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: the sole authority to hire and fire a police chief. 203 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: It completely ruined the position a chief. Now you have 204 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: the police chief, and it's not just Chief Thiji, It's 205 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: been every chief that's come after Chief Striker when he 206 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: retired in twenty ten. They behold the city manager and 207 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: the mayoritics if they say, yeah, it's all politics, and 208 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: that's I've been very very vocal about politicians need to 209 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: stay out a law enforcement and unfortunately we don't have that. 210 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: We saw it when James Craig first got elected or 211 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: first got appointed, and he was here for two years, 212 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: made some fantastic changes The troops loved him, and they 213 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: got rid of him because the troops loved him. So 214 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: now you know, fast forward to Chief Fiji and it's 215 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: like she's stuck between a rock and a hard place, 216 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: And I get it. Now, you have a boss that 217 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: you have to answer to that's going to tell you 218 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: you're going to do this, You're going to do that, 219 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: and if you don't do it, then the consequences could 220 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: be your terminated. So would I like to see or 221 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: do things differently, Yeah? I would, But I also understand 222 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: that you have somebody have to answer to. And if 223 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: the mayor, of the city manager or whoever it is 224 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: that's above you is telling you you're going to do 225 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: this if you want to stay employed, that's what you 226 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: have to do. 227 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: You know. I am so glad that I asked you 228 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: the question because I had I guess either wasn't aware 229 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: or had forgotten the old way versus the new way. 230 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: Who is in a better position to determine who the 231 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: chief of police is than the police officers themselves? I mean, 232 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: you guys are ladies and men, are not going to 233 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: select someone that's not going to be in your best interest. 234 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: You're going to look for the most competent person, the 235 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 2: one who's going to hire based on merit, who's going 236 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: to provide promotions based upon merit as opposed to who's 237 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: politically connected, who fills in the right checkbox on some 238 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: woke identity form. You know, is there any possibility we 239 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: can go back to that Ken. 240 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and it would take some kind of bout 241 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: in this. But you know, while I understand you know this, 242 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: this was the will of the people in two thousand 243 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: and five, I think there should be there could be 244 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: some compromise to be made. I think anytime you leave 245 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: it to one or two people to determine, you know, 246 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: whether or not, you know, the police chief is going 247 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: to stay in that position, I think that that creates problems. 248 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 1: You know what, maybe it's a something where you know, 249 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: they put about initiative on where you know, we consider 250 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: maybe the majority of council decides, you know, whether or 251 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: not we hire or fire somebody. I don't know. There's 252 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I think need to be explored. 253 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: But you know, the position a police chief needs to 254 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: come with some protections. You know, if it's not FOP protection, 255 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: then they got to be able to know that they 256 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: can do and go out and do what they think 257 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: is best for the police department, best for this city 258 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, and do that without fear of making one 259 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: person upset who's a politician, and and them have the 260 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: ability just to get rid of it's certainly handcuffs the 261 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: police chief. And that's why you see, you know it's 262 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: not just Cincinnati, but all these major cities that now 263 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: have this, they have a new police chief every two, three, 264 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: four years. Yeah, we've gone through the same thing here 265 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: and it does a disservice not only do the police 266 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: department to the men and women that serve this police department, 267 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: but also for the citizens. They deserve to have a 268 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: police chief that is able to make decisions based off 269 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: of what they think is best for law enforcement in 270 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: the city, not based off of what a politician thinks 271 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: we should do. 272 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: And who I would argue that who would know better 273 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: as police chief than someone who came up through the 274 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: ranks within the City of Cincinnati Police department. You hire 275 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: somebody from some other city out there in the world, 276 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: it's going to take them forever to get up to 277 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: speed on how we operate here in the city. You 278 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: can't just hit the ground running in that position, I 279 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 2: would believe maybe I'm wrong on that. 280 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 1: No, you're absolutely right, you know, like I said in 281 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: James Craig was one of the few. He hit the 282 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: ground run and did an absolutely fantastic job. I mean, 283 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: he he was what this city needed, what the police 284 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: department needed at that time, and he did a fantastic job. 285 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, because he stood on his own two feet 286 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: and stood up to you know, at the time, the 287 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: politicians at were at city Hall. You know, he was 288 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: there for two years. They didn't even offer a contract extension. 289 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: They said yeah, thanks, but no thanks to you later. 290 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: And then of course he went up to Detroit and 291 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: did some fantastic work up there. But you know, as 292 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: long as this system is in place, you're never going 293 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: to have a police chief that is going to stand 294 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: there and say, no, I'm going to do what I 295 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: think is best as a law enforcement professional is you know, 296 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: if that differs from what a politician says, because at 297 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: the end of the day, if they want to stay employed, 298 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: they're going to do what politicians tell him to do. 299 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: And that's that is a slippery slope and we're seeing 300 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: the effects of that now. 301 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: I cannot thank you enough for coming in the morning 302 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: show today, Ken Kober. I appreciate that profound honesty and 303 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: eye opening reality of what you're dealing with there. I 304 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: think you've hit the nail on the head, my friend, 305 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: and first time of a discussion involving that component of 306 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: the cincint Police Department. So maybe we can change things 307 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: going down the road. In the meantime, we're stuck with 308 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: what we've got and elections do have consequences. FLP President 309 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: Ken Cover, thanks again, man, this has been a really 310 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: enlightening conversation. I appreciate coming on the show and talking 311 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: about it.