WEBVTT - 10-16-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:05.440 Do you want to be an American Cloni seven? 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:10.520 Under high profile and violent crimes lead the news. So well, why, well, 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:15.800 ere's neglect underfunding police law enforcement, generally ignoring the problem 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:18.400 while focusing more on programs and promises. And if you 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.000 promise not to go and kill someone, we will let 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:22.840 you out of jail. Here's you had a gun, you're 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:24.840 doing violent, Just go ahead, but you're gonna come back. 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:27.160 You're gonna get a job, right, report to your probation officer. 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:27.560 Sure you are. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:28.200 So. 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.319 As such, the mayor is feeling the heat and with 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:33.120 the election coming up, of course, now we're on the 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.840 death watch for the career of police Chief Terry Thiji. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.959 The question though, is how much is this on her? 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.720 As she has now been summoned back from Denver to conference. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.360 Dan Hill is a former FOP long time if we've 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.279 p president, now in private practice with Front Light Advisors. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.400 He's a law enforcement consultant. Dan, welcome, How are. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:52.000 You, Ahlony? I'm doing great? 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:56.880 Always, yeah, thank you. So she's in Denver for a 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.440 conference and a city managers share along to return immediately 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.080 to addressed departmental matters. When I hear that, okay, so 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.560 what has happened in the last forty eight to seventy 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.000 two hours. That would warrant her being plucked from a 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.720 conference in Denver to fly back to Cincinnati because there's 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:17.919 some huge departmental matter what's going on. Of course someone's 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.319 going to go, well, she's probably getting fired. What you know. 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.679 First of all, let's start with that. Why would you 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.760 do that now instead of like right after the city 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.720 birds shooting or any of this other stuff. You're going 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.000 to sacrifice her, which we'll get into a second. Why 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.480 are in the middle, Okay, we need to do this right, 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:33.800 and we're going to pull you out of a conference 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:36.320 and bring you back and fire you. Well, why is 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:37.240 that happening right now? 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:40.800 Well, I mean the easy answer is to the election. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:47.440 You know, this is far too political in some ways, 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.120 and that's the problem that the office of police chief 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.000 has become political. So we'd have to almost go way 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:59.040 back in the rewind to issue five, where they changed 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:02.680 the way that the police chief answers the city hall, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.960 the way he's selected for he or she is selected. 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.400 Talking about that, explain Issue five when that was in 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.320 the in the history of that Because I know that 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:11.240 I'm throwing around for a while I mean as best 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.120 we can, but how long ago that was and what 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:14.680 that means and how that led us to now? 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:18.720 Boy I was I was Tom Shreker was the last 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.119 chief that was selected in the old way. So we're 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.400 talking about sometime in the nineties. I guess kind of 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:26.920 kind of hard for me to pick out dates now 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.239 at my age, But it used to be, well, while 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:35.280 the manager still selected the police chief, the police chief 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.480 came from within the agency, and uh, then you had 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:42.240 to have cause, and that's a that's a big legal 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.800 term to fire somebody. So you know, if if if 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.560 if the police chiefs gotten some sort of criminal behavior 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:53.000 or you know, sexual harassment or something of that nature, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.679 that would be caused, and then the police chief could 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.720 be fired. But you can't just go. You know, politics 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:00.400 is getting a little rough for me, Like if I 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:02.480 may ask have and go, you know, I think I'll 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.600 sacrifice the chief so that that that that's what's changed, 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:12.120 is that now the the office of lee chief is 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.640 very very political. And and this comes to my belief 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.480 if she want me to go on with this about 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.080 where where we are and how we got there, is 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:24.240 I think that that Terry Figi is not the problem. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.360 She's a symptom of the problem. I think she was 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.800 given the job not for DEI reasons per se, because 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.520 I think Terry's smart lady. I think she was given 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.440 for good o boy reasons. I think she agreed to 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.640 sing or dance to the tune of whatever the city 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.080 manager went under the dance to. And and so now 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:49.520 we're talking about what's going on at city hall, and 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.320 and got her jobs on Frivier the other day. And 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.760 I could tell you care you care about how much, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.320 uh you know, crime is hurting the city of Cincinnati 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:03.240 and its reputation and everything. And you would have to 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.720 ask yourself, since you care, why does a city that 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.280 cares about crime hirely like Irish Rollie. It just doesn't 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.000 make any sense. Right. So, if I'm a perspective police chief, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.560 which I'm not, and you're asking me, hey, you want 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:20.760 to come here to my city of Cincinnati and be 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.440 the police chief, I would sit there and take a 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:26.880 look at the look at everything that's there to be 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.640 dealt with, and I would I would see, I would 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.120 see Irish Rolly and I'd go, well, you got to 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.560 get rid of her first, And oh no, no, she's 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.560 an important part of playing stuff. And that's why I go, eh, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:38.800 I'm out, I'm out. 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.279 Well, I mean I heard through the same cops that 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.800 you talk to too that when they're bringing the troopers in, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.280 I guess, and this is in the last couple of weeks, 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.400 a few weeks, that she was the one telling them 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.280 what they can and can't do when they enact to 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.560 stop or question a subject in the course of doing 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.400 their duty as a police sworn law enforcement officer under 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.520 Ohio law. I'm like, why am I having a consultant 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.360 one hundred one thousand dollars year qute unquote consultant tell 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.840 me how I'm supposed to handle and address sub suspects 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.800 or subjects and people I may contact with in the 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.719 course of my job. That's not in the scope of 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.280 her duties. I mean, if you want to advise the 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.080 mayor's officer, the city manager share along on you know, 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:18.800 community matters, and like, you know, everyone deserves a seat 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.320 at the table. It's it's you know, it's a public enterprise. Sure, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:23.680 but it seems like iris Reli has way too much 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.720 power for someone in her position or someone in her 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:30.080 from as someone involved in what she is that that's 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:31.920 the problem if I'm looking at that as a job going. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.760 If I'm here and that I'm like, hell no, i 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:35.560 ain't come to Cincinnati because I'm not gonna have. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.240 Any power, of course not. And that's the thing is 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.800 what is what is her position is that it's something 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.760 related to the Claire Verve. And let me tell you 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.960 that I had to deal with the clavorative, which is 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.640 pages and pages of pages are saying that we're going 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.000 to communicate better and we're going to be transparent. Okay, 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.360 I could cover I could cover the whole collaborative in 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.400 those two words. We're going to be more transparent and 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.080 and we're going to collaborate more with the community and 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.080 communicate and communicate better with me. That's it, that's all, 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.200 That's all it is. And then they're paying this lady 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.279 one hundred thousand dollars and that's not what she does. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:16.560 She doesn't communicate better. On my eyes, she's not helping 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.800 us be transparent. She goes out and she gets in 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.760 the way of police officers doing their work. And it 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.839 seems to me this is what their belief is, is 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.840 that that she somehow has the a riot button. And 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.000 if we don't make iris happy she can punch a 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.240 riot button. I don't believe that she has that power. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.640 I think they think she has that power, and that's 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.880 why they go around at a peether her and let 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.080 her hire her son and all that stuff. But I'll 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.680 also bring up the c C eight to Sistan complain authority. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.040 They do nothing but handicap the cops with ridiculous complaints, 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.000 and the and the way that they deal with them, 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.120 and the amount of money they throw. I'm sure they 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.000 throw millions at that, all the investigators and everything they have. 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.039 And I use the word and saying too much, but 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.400 imagine the insanity of you're fighting the Germans, right it's 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.680 World War two. You're fighting the Germans. But we have 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.960 an office out of our government that helps the Germans. 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.360 I mean, that's we're trying to fight crime. And then 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.000 yet we have we have folks that go out there 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.040 and try to handicap the police. It's like trying to 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.600 handicap the navy or the army or anything else during 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.560 the time of war. It just doesn't make any sense 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.720 because we we do. We have a crisis out there, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.640 and the crisis is phony. Not to not to get 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.880 too big picture, but it's it's it's it's spiritual, it's cultural, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.320 it's all sorts of things that lead to all this 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.239 crime and all this trouble that we're having with the youth. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.000 And look, the problems at the state level, we don't 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.320 have enough prisons. The problems huge at the county level 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.680 because we have a bunch of judges that are just 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.680 absolutely woke in saying that wants to get proper bails 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.160 or bonds and stuff. Yeah, that's if I have to 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.040 throw a dart at the biggest problem. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.720 And Dan hits there unaccountable. Is the problem is you know, 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.400 we know that the Tim Holloway and the Police Chiefs 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.880 Association of Hamlin County, all the little villages and hamlets, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.200 and they're trying to have these summits where they're getting 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:17.040 all the stakeholders involved, from citizens, from cops to lawyers. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.440 And here's a order that judges can't show up to 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.920 this because it's against some sort of judicial ethic. But 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.040 at the same time, when it comes time to vote, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.320 they're in the community telling people how to vote and 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:30.960 meeting with constituents about how judges and how their office works. 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.800 So it seems like a huge conflict and they're just 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.599 cherry picking what they want and what not to do. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.679 And you know, again, how many times have we had 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.960 like this guy? The guy the latest example, And I'm 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.199 sadly we'll probably have another one, hopefully not tonight on 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.120 Thursday night football, Dan Hills. Can you imagine? Yeah, here's 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.280 a shot in the Cincinnati skyline. Oh my god, here's 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.079 the genius of water Statute, Fountain Square. Never mind those 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.720 swat officers with assault weapons and helmets and tactical gear. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.000 Never mind them. But look at the it seems like 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:58.960 a nice city. I want to visit. Well, the cops 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.560 standing around Fountain Square with guns to keep people from 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.040 shooting each other. At City Bird, there's a guy twenty 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.880 four years old. And I said, the minute it happened, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.880 I guarantee you that this guy's got a jacket, he's 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:08.640 got something on him. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:09.040 He has a. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.800 History, and he is prohibited because he has a prior 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.720 felony from having a gun. And I said, you could 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.679 bet the house on that happening. And sure enough, turns 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.200 out the guy the guy they're looking for. It fits 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:25.079 that description that this guy is not allowed by law 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.400 as the convict of having a convicted record, rather felony 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.560 record that shouldn't have a gun on him. And that's 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.080 the problem, right is I had a lawmaker and yesterday 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.360 I don't know if you heard a lot of council 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.280 person was talking about how we need to get tougher 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.600 gun laws. They said, the problem, that's not the problem. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.840 The problem is you got guys out there running around 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.160 with guns shooting each other who shouldn't have them. Throw 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.600 them behind bart, put them in prison. If you are 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.480 prohibited for him of a gun in your phone, or 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.240 you cut your ankle monitor off. We don't take it 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.240 seriously enough, and that just encourages more of that behavior. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.320 Bunny, we have the gun wall. I heard you saying 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.320 that I heard the rant, you know, and he might 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.120 have stole from my many years yiff of be president 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.280 because I was saying it over and over again. We 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.000 have weapons under disability. If we truly enforce the weapons 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:13.160 under disability are are violence as far as shootings and 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.960 stuff with plummet There's just no doubt about it. Every 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:18.520 time we come across a dirt ball with a gun 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.720 that has the convictions that shouldn't be allowed to carry 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.800 a gun. If he went away for the max time 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:26.840 for allowed for weapons under disability. It wouldn't turn around overnight, 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.520 but you could see for without a doubt that that 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.719 effect would start to change because look, everybody in the 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.480 community would start to talk like, man, do you know, 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.839 do you know how he's doing hard time because he 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.080 had a gun, because he had previous colony. Next thing, 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.480 you know, people aren't carrying guns as much and in 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.400 that atmosphere, and if they don't have a gun just 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.720 because just because all of a sudden they get angry. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.880 If if they're of a mindset that they get angry 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.160 at somebody at the city bird, they're not going to 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.400 crack off around at him. You know, I carry a 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.160 gun because I'm still a policeman of this day, but plenty. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.640 If I get man at you at the city bird, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:03.640 I'm not going to crack off. 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.040 Around in ninety nine plus percent percent of the population 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.280 thinks the way we do, Dan Hills. It's the size 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.400 of sociopaths out there. It's the pre pill around the 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.920 path of the career criminals, our career criminals that are 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:15.600 that are executing this kind of behavior and the other 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.760 ament of guns is the reason why people are getting 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.960 guns is because people are coming to Cincinnati, they're scared 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.880 to death, and then there's all these signs you can't 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.559 bring your gun into places, so they put it in 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.880 their car. And young people especially know that that's happening. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.440 And so that's why we're having forty seven percent increase 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.439 in property cremes specific to vehicle breaks in. It's a 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.800 self fulfilling prophecy. We have guns and we bring them 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.280 to protect ourselves. They break in the car, steal the guns, 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.439 and it causes more crime. That causes to carry it 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:42.959 more often. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.040 So back to the you know you want me all 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.880 to talk about the Chief dig is the Chief Cg's 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.160 fault that we're having this explosion of the sun. No, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:58.160 it's not. Am I a huge fan of her, No, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.200 I'm not. I don't. I don't think that she's maybe 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.439 the best spokesperson out there and all that stuff. She's 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.640 a smart lady, she's competent lady, nice lady from all 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.559 I can tell. But she's again, she's a symptom of 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.640 the disease. She agreed to come here and play in 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.440 the same sandbox as Irish. Rely if they asked Scott 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.679 Sloan or Dan Hills to be the police chief. I 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.760 think one of my first demands, because I would I 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.360 would have some demands, is, look, you got to get 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.160 rid of her, and you got to tone down the 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.280 CCA by like, you know, eighty five percent or something 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.240 so that my copperce can go out there and do 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.880 their job. If not, what's the purpose of hiring me, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.319 is your police chief? Because you know I have things 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.360 I want to do and to help make things a 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.000 little bit better. But again, you know, of all the 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.439 things we talked about her, I covered that's going on 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.880 in this world that comes all the way down to 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:53.520 our little bird here Cincinnati. The one I can point 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.559 to the easiest to say, the county judges. You know, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:02.040 they're just terrible when they're not sentencing people, uh for 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.080 for that most important crime weapons under disability that could 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.880 help prevent these shootings. But even if they do start 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.920 sentence them, I think we're running on running into problem 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:12.360 because they are in enough room in the inn. 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:14.680 Yeah, that's party problem at. 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:20.640 The state level. So it's a multi layered problem. And look, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.720 this is this is politics that the mayor. The mayor 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.599 is threatening this or doing this, the managers doing this 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.600 because they're starting to feel a little bit of heat 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.320 from from Corey Bowman. But who who would have thought 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.520 that they're republished and mayor in this day and age, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:39.280 heat or candidate could could you know, even even make 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.520 them sweat. But that's where we're at now. I think 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:42.520 there's a good sweat. 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.559 Good good I mean, that's that, you know, I and 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.319 sadly I you know, we need some sort of ground. 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.640 So my fear is this, if Aftab winds up winning 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.640 re election, and if I were to bet, i'd bet 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.480 he probably wins at this point, despite the valiant effort 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.959 by Corey Bowman and a lot of the great selling 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.600 points that he's made. It's just it's so deeply blue. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:02.040 Uh. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.679 People complain about the legislature in Ohio being controlled by Republicans. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.760 You can't break that stranglehold. And look what they're doing 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.760 while the republic of the Democrats in Hamlin County are 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.679 doing the same damn thing. So if you want more 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.559 of the same, just keep electing the same people as 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.000 the message there. But nonetheless, I just want my fear 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.680 is this, this is after the election. If AFTAB wins 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.560 re election, we just go back to the way things work. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.080 Well, you could almost bet on it. I mean, if 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.240 they have that line that down at the casino, you know, 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.000 I mean, you're going to be elbowing each other out 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.080 of the way to bet that. Right. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:35.040 Yeah, I'll just forget about this. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.880 Yeah, with Terry or without Terry, I'm going to put 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:40.640 I'm going to put my I'm going to put my 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:43.120 chips on. Things will go back to the way they will. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.400 Yeah, I look at it, since that issue five passed 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:46.920 two you think about the chiefs, right, I mean we 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.760 had who was it Blackwell? Chief Jeffrey Blackwell was fired 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.280 and what's about ten years ago? And then we had 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.480 James Craig, who is here and then off to Detroit 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.600 in less than I think eighteen months or two years ago. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.600 We we first just okay, gotch and and Craig Isaac 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.760 was not what they were looking for, right, Craig. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.320 Craig was not a woke lefty. He came in here 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.240 and and the cops loved him because he did back 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.440 the cops, and and and because they he was their 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.560 first one they brought in. And because he was black, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.840 they weren't going to send him pack. And he left 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.040 himself because he had the opportunity to go back to 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.320 his childhood home at Detroit and and be the chief. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:33.600 So he left, But yeah, I would like to I'd 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:36.920 like to have Chief Craig back right now with holy stuff. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.600 So we got Blackwell, who was you know, a hostile 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.760 work environment, didn't talk to the caves. It was a clown. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:43.800 He got out of here. 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:44.360 Uh. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.240 And so now we've got this history. We had Eli 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.760 chief Isaac in for a while before he retired, Uh 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.360 what about three years ago? And the beat goes on 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.680 and so to bring in full circle, Dan Hills, this 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.640 is like Zach Taylor firing lou Ana Roumo and that 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.480 guess what the Bengals was a loser. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:06.480 Yes they are. That's that's good, nilogy. I I don't 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:07.280 see anything. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.040 Is How's how the Colt's doing with lou An Aruma? 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:11.520 Pretty good? 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.640 Five five and one? I think about that. So is 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:15.320 it how about that? 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.720 Is it the head coach or is it the assistant? 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.320 Is that the organization? Is it the ownership? That's definitely, 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:24.360 there's no question about that. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.840 Gain. Yes, back to our discussion, it's it's city Hall. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.520 It's their woke idea of doing things. It's they're lying 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.120 in bed with the types of people like Irish Roly. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.800 So any city that does that is not going to 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.080 get a police chief and allow him to uh, you know, 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:46.480 run his or her department and and and the way 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.280 they want to. Because that was when they when they 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.760 were bringing Terry on, they were they were telling her 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.760 she had to she had a play in the sandbox 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.480 with Irish Roly, at which time, if I was the 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.400 police chief, I say, now, there's no way that doesn't 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.680 that that doesn't benefit my people, doesn't make my people 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.720 feel any more secure and them going out doing their work. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.000 If we're hiring somebody like this, yes, that makes sense. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:10.560 It's a done deal. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.320 She's getting fired, right, I don't know. I don't have 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.639 the connections and stuff. I'm not actively involved in it 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.879 like I used to be. That if we're going back 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.040 to that casino again, I would say sure. I would 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.920 say that they've they've made it hard for her to continue. 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.960 They've also handled this horrible. I mean, the fact that 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.040 called her back from Denver to say, yeah, we've got 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.639 a pressing issue. Well, what's the pressing issue? Isn't like, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.200 you know, I wish we could have done with Aftab 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.480 because as I as I recall, he went on vacation 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.960 after the brawl at the end of July, and because 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:43.040 he deserved his son and his five year old deserved. 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.680 I mean, wait a minute, hold on, just a seconds, 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:47.840 what's wrong with that picture? Anyway? I know you got 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.720 to go. He's Dan Horde, former FOP president of the 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.680 Queen City Lodge and now in private practice, the private 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:54.640 citizen Dane Hill. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:56.119 Dan Horde. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.600 Oh, I've got Dan hard I'm sorry. I apologize. I 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.199 got that. I got all the Dans on to day. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.560 I don't know what's got Dan Hills, Dan Horde. All right, well, Danny, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.160 all the best Dan Hills with Frontline Advisors. Thanks again, brother, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.040 you take care. Yeah, I'm thinking of football. I got 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.040 Dan Hills, I got Dan Hord. I got some surrounded 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.639 by Dan's around here. I don't know what's going on, 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:16.800 Dan Hord. A little bit later in the show eleven 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:19.520 oh seven, we'll talk Thursday night football here in Cincinnati. 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:21.320 I'm the home of the best Bengals coverage. Seven hundred 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.920 WLWT Cincinnati Scott's Loan Show seven hundred w l W 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:31.520 Dan Hills minutes ago with Frontline Advisors, former FOP president 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.879 and the chief Thiji is waiting her day. It's like 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.320 waiting to go to the executioner in a way, in 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.280 a sad way for Chief Thigi, as he said, you know, 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.479 she's done some good things and some things that were 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:46.240 like questionable. Her interaction with the beat cops could have 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.720 been better, could have been worse. But she is not 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.040 the problem. The problem is the system. The problem is 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.800 the head, The problem is the mayor, The problem is 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.760 the city manager. The problem is having interlopers like Iris 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.720 Rawley and others too involved with the process of law enforcement. 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.840 And you mentioned issue five, which changed the dynamic of 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.520 police chiefs not only are hired, but also who they 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.000 are held accountable to. And you know, when you have 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.720 Chief Fiji or anyone for that matter, she is dancing 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:14.080 to the tune of the piper. Af tabs the piper. 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.080 She dances the tune. If you want the job, you 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:18.280 got to dance the tune. And what's happening, I think 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:20.040 is that she's simply going to fall on the sword. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:20.239 Here. 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.560 One may ask as to why would she be called 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.560 back here on this Thursday morning from Denver to Cincinnati 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:29.119 if they're just to tell her everything's okay. You know, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.639 when the city when and I will say this. You know, 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:33.959 as much as people beat up the media, which has 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.440 a whole other topic entirely is I agree and dissa 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.800 I disagree with that for for different reasons, as far 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.760 as the bias and stuff goes here locally and it's 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.040 kind of silly, but nonetheless, someone found out about this 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.480 and the word got out. The city manager's office is like, well, 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:51.399 you know, someone leaked it out, and now we've got 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.200 to answer it. And they come back and say, well, 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.480 we've got some issues in the city she has to address. 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.920 That's I mean, there's nothing urgent going on. What's changed. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.400 She has to immediately address departmental matters, is what Sherlong says, Well, 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:07.399 why didn't she address apartment these issues right after what 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.639 just happened. The latest issue on Fountain Square involving the 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.560 shooting at Citybird, Well it should have been done right there. 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.600 But now we're dragging this thing because someone's looking for 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.800 political cover. He got an election coming up, Aftabs feeling 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.200 the heat. Therefore, sure Long has got to do something. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.359 And the end result is, I know, we'll fire the 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.080 chief and make it look like it's her fault, when 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.240 in fact, I don't know. I don't think the voters 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.920 are that stupid. I think that you realize it's the 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:35.160 administration and this is much like firing lu An Arumo 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.680 after the Bengals had dismal seasons and starts and we 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:40.680 got to do something, and so we fire the coordinator 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.720 who goes by the way, goes to Indianapolis, and they 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:47.800 look like a playoff team. I meanwhile, the Bengals are languishing. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.119 We'll find out tonight if they can turn that around. 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:52.240 But I think it's a I think it's a fair comparison. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.959 And I know a lot is made about community activist 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:57.960 Irish Roller. You know, she's making over one hundred thousand 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.520 dollars a year as a consultant. I've heard worries about 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.120 her sitting in with police officers or coming to town 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.040 troopers who are here from the state of Ohio and 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.199 others and dictating the terms of how they will interact 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.480 with people. We see with law enforcement officers. Now, all 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:13.600 law enforcement officers are trained by they got to be 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.760 a pot of certified. There's certain law officers go through 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.199 strict training. There's Ohio Revised codeal and there's a lot 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.080 of things they learned. I don't know. Sitting and listen 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:23.760 to some of the community tell them how they're going 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.520 to handle their interaction with a subject or a suspect. 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:28.760 I look at that and go, not quite sure. That's 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:30.400 something you just couldn't print on a piece of paper 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:32.480 and handle them. But to be lectured by Iris Rowley 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:34.359 if you're a cop, I don't think that's going to 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.640 sit well with most rank and file members of law enforcement, 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:41.400 regardless if they're CPDU officers, SWAT officers, or highway patrol officers. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.680 But nonetheless that those are the terms in which we 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.399 have engaged here politically in Hamlin County. I think it's 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:51.880 fair for me because I think I'm the only voice 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:54.080 on this station that is criticized. I think rightly so 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:57.920 the problems with a Republican controlled legislation in Columbus, and 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.119 I often catch arrows as a result of that, some 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.800 sort of closet liberal or something. Now I'm just tired 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:04.960 of bs. I'm tired of people lying to me. I 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:06.960 don't care what if you're blue or red, or black, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:08.879 or white or male or female. Quit lying to me. 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.000 Quit tell me this is delicious, when in turn it's poison. 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:15.480 And I think it's fair then to turn around that 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:17.840 criticism towards Hamlin County in the city of Cincinnati and 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.280 say enough, damn it, it just doesn't work. I had 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:25.440 my friend Anna all Beyond, and we disagreed about what 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:27.800 needs to be done with these issues. She brought up 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.199 that we need more gun laws. If we just had 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:31.960 gun laws, none of this would be happening, to which 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.119 I counter, that's bs. We have gun laws, they're just 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:37.840 not being enforced. One of the most pre eminent gun 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:41.720 laws we have, of course, is something called weapons under disability, 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.000 which you often see on the docket and felony cases, 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.720 meaning that if you have a felony record, it prohibits you. 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:52.080 It precludes you from having a firearm, from looking, touching, handling, owning, possessing, controlling, 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:56.800 or even thinking about a firearm. Can't do it. And 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.920 you know, we're learning more about this individual who fire 0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.600 the bullets through the window a city bird, and I said, 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:05.240 I would bet the house that this guy has priors 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:07.639 to prohibit him from having a weapon. And guess what 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.480 here we go again. Should Ryan Hitton have been running 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.280 around with the gun in his hand, No, he's he's 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:17.760 prohibited from having that weapon. The act of stealing a 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.760 car and driving around it would prohibit him from having 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.240 a weapon, let alone age and everything else. So and 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:27.680 what else he was jammed up in. And also, you 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.639 could be a law abiding citizen and defend your carry 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.000 a gun even if you are eighteen. But at the 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:34.880 same time, if you're in the act of a crime, 0:23:34.920 --> 0:23:37.560 an officer tells you to do something, you're supposed to 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.440 drop the gun. Not only did not drop it, he 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.280 picked it up and ran towards our round officers. He 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.880 set all those circumstances up that led to his death. 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.560 Ryan Hinton dead. But we look at that as well, 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.520 if he would how's he getting the gun. He's getting 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:52.880 the gun in his hand. He shouldn't. Yeah, he's under disciplined. 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:54.639 He shouldn't have the gun. Well, the gun. There's too 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:58.000 many guns out there, I would say. In Cincinnati, we saw, 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.440 you know, the community gun thing. We've said on straw 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.920 purchasers in the past and like. And the new problem 0:24:03.000 --> 0:24:05.480 is the fact that people who live, work, and reside 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.040 in Cincinnati often don't feel safe and they feel the 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.240 need because maybe it's social media, maybe it's also well, 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.280 these real things that are happening from time to time, 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.560 and too often, may I add, in our city that 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.480 scare the hell out of people. You know, we heard 0:24:18.560 --> 0:24:21.639 testimony yesterday or maybe the day before from city Council 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:23.199 and law and public safety, which is why I had 0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.520 an on and she heard the testimony going on and 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.200 on and on from people who said, look, I own 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:32.520 property in Cincinnati, I own rental property. I have people 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.520 that are afraid to rent my property, my income, the 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:37.720 investment that I made in the city that you wanted 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.919 me to do. You encourage me to buy properties, Say 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.000 come to Cincinnati. Look at all the cool stuff we have. 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.040 We have a vibrant towntown and be part of it. 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.440 Isn't this great? Be part of the vibe? Awesome? And 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.920 then we didn't do a damn thing about stopping the 0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:51.680 criminal element or pretending to stop the criminal and we 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.520 just let them run rampant because of feelings. And so 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:57.920 now I'm stuck with this property that I can't rent 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.200 out because people won't come downtown because they're afraid. And 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.080 for those who say, well, you know, it's just the 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:05.880 ignorant people. Since these largely safe, look me personally, I'll 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.200 go down. I'll go downtown. There's certain neighborhoods and times 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:11.440 I won't go out, but I will. But that's not everybody. 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.680 So the fact you think downtown's perfectly safe and this 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.560 is just a bunch of you know, made up stuff 0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.800 to talk about here on this radio station, I think 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:21.480 you're full of it. I think you're I think that's 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.560 true at all. If you have people who say, look, 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.439 I can't rent, or I have a tenant that's scared. 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.080 What should I do? Or you have say, hey, listen, 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:30.639 I live in a neighborhood, I have friends and now 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.520 they're moving out because of this and they're done with it. 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:35.359 What have we spent all this time and effort in 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:39.480 development and learning, businesses in and tax incentives and street 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:41.639 cars and all that other stuff that we've done. What 0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.080 the hell is the point of that if it's come 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:48.119 down to this, and so saying that, you know, we 0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.760 just we you know, people coming downtown now they're scared 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:52.879 to death, and so now they feel the need to 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:54.959 have to carry a gun with them in case they 0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:57.440 may need it because I don't know, maybe they're caught 0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:59.440 up in what happened at City Bird, or they're driving 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.760 down the street and there's two idiots shooting each other. 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.399 They're shooting at me as he's shooting at the other 0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.200 guy in the middle of traffic and rush hour. And 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.320 my job is to come home to my family. My 0:26:08.480 --> 0:26:11.000 job is to live another day. So I'm going to 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:12.480 carry that with me. Now, I can't take it to 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:14.399 my place of work. I can't take it here, I 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:15.760 can't take it there, I can't take it to the 0:26:15.800 --> 0:26:17.480 Bengals game time. I can't do any of that stuff. 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.600 So I leave at my car. And now young people 0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:22.120 know that they break into cars, the ayre still guns. 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:26.480 That's what Ryan Hint was doing. And that's all because 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.520 of these failed policies. Wow, we just need more laws. No, 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:30.439 we don't need more laws. We need judges that are 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:32.040 going to do the hard work and enforce the laws 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:33.920 that already on the books that if you get caught 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.040 up and you're not allowed to have because of disability, 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:37.720 a weapon and you're caught with it, we're going to 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.760 put you behind bars for a long time. Now, that 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.399 mean we need more prisons, And maybe that means we, 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.040 you know, the people who aren't rising and level of 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.479 those crimes, maybe we need to make space with them. 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.200 That's certainly that's been discussed, it's been done, it's a possibility. 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:52.879 But guess what, it's got to stop with people who 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:56.520 pick up guns and carry them around and use them 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.760 to settle arguments. We cannot have that at all. That 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.399 that sort of like Terry cy Jow will fall on 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.520 one hundred percent. And so I disagree that it's all 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:07.359 this as well, But I think you also have to 0:27:07.400 --> 0:27:10.639 look at a relative to downtown and relative to Cincinnati, 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:17.080 the mindset that's permeating our leadership and the administration when 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:21.320 it comes to who's making the decisions. And you know, 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.880 Aftab got elected because he's a handsome, decent looking, well 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.159 spoken Asian man. I guess, multiple descents whatever. I mean, 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:32.160 that's what we're looking for in the progressive community. Like, Okay, 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:34.800 he's a guy. He was in charge of license plates 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.280 one day and now he'sa all of a sudden, Okay, 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:37.520 now he's the next mayor of the city. Say this 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.440 is going to be great. Everything's good, everything feels good. 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.359 And it's not just it started before him. But the 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.000 problem with progressive policies are they're too soft on crime. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:50.320 And that is one thing Democrats nationwide cannot get away from. 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.639 And that's what is making Trump trump right now. If 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:54.520 you if you don't like Trump, well then you got 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:55.879 to look at your own policies and how we the 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.960 Democrats are on that, and how progressive policies are hurting 0:27:59.080 --> 0:28:02.960 urban cities. You know, we have ice, we have National Guard. 0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.840 He's exploiting that, certainly for political reasons to make a point. 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.760 But the truth still remains is these are largely dangerous 0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.960 areas to be in and Cincinnati is fast becoming. If 0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:16.040 we're not there already one of those areas, what does 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:18.159 it say that here we are. We have Thursday night 0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:20.159 football in Cincinnati. We got the Steelers in town, we 0:28:20.240 --> 0:28:23.560 got people from Pittsburgh, people from Cincinnati, good natured football. 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.080 Hopefully the Bengals pull this thing off tonight. We'll find out. 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.280 I've got Dan Horde at eleven oh seven to talk 0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:32.880 about this. But we're supposed to having a good time, 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:34.440 and you know what, how many people are gonna be 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.000 looking up their shoulder a little bit, and how many 0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:39.320 people are coming in from Pennsylvania or even local Steeler 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.520 fans go downtown to the game and go, what the 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.560 hell these guys doing around? All these swat offers are 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.960 doing around. This is I've been to games before, primetime 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.960 games in my in Pittsburgh, we don't have cops standing 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:52.880 around with automatic weapons on Fountain Square and are gathering places. 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:54.520 I mean, we have cops, but don't look like this. 0:28:56.760 --> 0:28:59.520 And this is again what we got. So I have 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.320 a sneak suspicion I might be wrong. I think Corey 0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.800 Bowman has made some fine points, but is deep blue 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:12.240 as Cincinnati is. I see AFTAB winning again, and I 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.680 might be wrong. I've been wrong in the past a lot. 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.880 Admit when I'm wrong, but I think it's again. It's 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:20.440 here's the problems. People are just so used to and 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:25.480 wanting folks like this to run things. And my fear 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:28.760 is that okay gets reelected, is all this just going 0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:31.640 to go way? After November? Do we just go back 0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.920 to going Okay, I got another way, we got reelected. Great, 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:35.800 all this stuff we're doing with the new chief in 0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:37.640 that was just to get elected. And then we go 0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:40.040 back and we'll have more of these stupid policies. Yeah, 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:41.440 we need more gun laws. It's the fault of the 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.040 Republicans and we need to get tougher on guns. And meanwhile, 0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:46.120 we've got judges that just simply let people out and 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:47.840 you promised you're not going to do this again. We 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:48.720 just had a guy do right. 0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:49.080 He was. 0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:54.680 He literally left court and the judge said, here's what 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:56.520 you need. Judge Hathaway said, here's what you need to do. 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:58.600 You need to report your probation officer, you need to 0:29:58.600 --> 0:30:01.840 get a job. I need to go killing people. So 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.520 if that's the attitude we have relatives to probation and 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:09.120 relative to locking people up and incarcerating them because they 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:11.720 have a gun under disability, whether it's Sir Ryan Hinton 0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:14.600 or anyone else, I just have a fear that that 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.040 those policies are going to wind up the things we're 0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:19.920 doing right now just simply to get reelected and once 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.480 the election's over, the hell with it. Because we've seen 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.240 this before. We you know, to bring it full circle. 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.840 Point it back at state Republicans. We had initiatives on 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:34.880 the ballot for marijuana and pro choice and things like 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.040 and now the legends goes, Okay, elections over, I guess 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:38.840 we're gonna do all We'll try to do that stuff. 0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.200 And that's the will of the people speaking right, They're 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.480 sixty percent of the people say yes, or no to something. 0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:46.400 I think that's pretty decisive. You ought to bide by 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.080 their wishes. But we try to find ways to poke 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:50.440 holes in that. And is it any different? And I 0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.160 can argue it's far worse and what's happening in downtown Cincinnati, 0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:55.600 because it's not gonna be long before innocent people die. 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.920 You know, we had Patrick Herringer. That was a wake 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.240 up call for a lot of folks regarding this issue. 0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:04.600 But you know, some innocent person could have easily gotten 0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:07.040 shot in the last two gun battles on Fountain Square 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.840 that we're talking about here, and it's only a matter 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:12.320 of time before it happens again. And you know, I 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:14.680 look at the beatdown in downtown Cincinnati. Why do you 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:16.480 think people are so embolden as that they can do 0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:18.280 whatever the hell they want when they want. It's because 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.160 of the vailure of leadership at the highest levels in 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:23.600 the city. And guess what if we just keep electing 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.480 the same people or versions of the same people, you 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:28.840 get the same thing. I'm a big proponent of divided government. 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:32.400 The more divided government is, the less crap like this 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:37.560 they can do, whether it's local, state, or federal. On 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.120 the way Jason Philibon is here speaking of Ryan hit 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.680 as Dad. Rodney Hinton Junior was in court and a 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:49.200 court appointed psychiatrist examined Rodney Hinton and said, well, there's 0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:54.040 definitely a component of insanity here. Rodney Hinton Junior, who brutally, 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:58.720 deliberately stalked and murdered an innocent chef's deputy by the 0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.400 name of Larry Henderson, is now trying to get out 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.080 of just punishment. How does that whole thing work with 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.280 not guilty reason of insanity or in this case, just saying, hey, 0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:10.280 we're trying to work it down so this guy gets 0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:13.840 a life and not death. He didn't give that opportunity 0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:16.000 to Larry Henderson, that's for damn sure. Should he get it, 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.960 we'll talk to We'll talk to a Jason Philibaum, attorney, 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.360 a law Next on The Scotslan Show on seven hundred, 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:22.160 w Weldon. 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:23.640 Do you want to be an American? 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:29.200 Rodney Hinton Juniors accused of killing Hemmelin County Sheriff Deputy 0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:31.280 Larry Henderson. May second and he this is the guy 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.640 who took his car, drove around looking for a deputy 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.600 to run over, and runs over a deputy Henderson, and 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.560 all Henderson was doing is working a traffic until operating 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:45.200 a light manually. At UC's graduation ceremony a few hours earlier, 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.720 Hinton and his family got to look at body camera 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.000 video of his eighteen notes son Ryan being fatally shot 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:53.280 by Cincinnati Palasi. Video we've subsequently seen and said that 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.640 kid had it coming running with a gun in his hand, 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.680 dropping it, picking back up, not complying with law enforcement, 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:02.120 and Rodney, they show the level of sociopath that he 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:05.960 and maybe his son was decided that his son was 0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.280 completely innocent and we're going to have a shooting space 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:10.480 as such. By the way, the Hinton family is still 0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.160 trying to file lawsuits and make this a case against 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:17.200 CPD and officers and saying that justice was not served 0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:20.600 in the shooting of the sun even though this kid 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:23.880 is running around with a gun, stealing cars and committing 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.520 violent crimes with impunity. That's not the kind of people 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.120 we need on the street. And you know that that 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.640 pervasive attitude that permits in the community is not trickled 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.600 up to the mayor's office. But nonetheless, yesterday a court 0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.480 appointed forensic psychologist found Rodney Hitton, Junior the dad suffering 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:42.680 from serious mental illness, making him ineligible for the death pedal. 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.320 The question is is he going to avoid punishment. We're 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:48.320 going with the not guilty by reason of an insanity 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.240 plea And this is just a preliminary by the way, 0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.640 this is a court appointed psychiatrist who was doing this. 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:55.880 And there's a long way to go, and we'll find 0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:58.200 out if and when Rodney hint And will face the 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:02.200 death penalty. Jason Philibaum, attorney, a law, former prosecutor and 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.719 Butler County defense attorney, now joins the show. Jason, how 0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.280 you been good morning, doing well? 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:07.600 Thank you? 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:11.120 All right, We've had this discussion before about NGRI. But 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:16.520 so the diagnosis for Hinton is bipolar disorder psychosis. A 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.239 psychologist concluded that mental illnesses impacted compaired him to his 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.080 ability to exercise rational judgment at the time of his offense. 0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:26.799 His attorney a very good attorney, and Clyde Bennett argues 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.360 that hit And didn't understand the wrongfulness of his conduct. 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.759 But I look at this and go, I know prosecutors 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.279 are going to look at a second opinion. This is 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.640 very early in the game. But when you drive around 0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.000 and you stalk your prey. That tells me that you 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.279 are of right mind, you know exactly what you're doing. 0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:45.960 This is a really difficult approach that they're using here, 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:46.279 isn't it. 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.240 Yes, I think there's two things to consider. 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.640 The first thing is to consider or whether or not 0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:57.920 he should be not guilty because of insanity, and that's 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.120 a very specific definition of what whether he knew essentially 0:35:01.239 --> 0:35:05.000 the wrongfulness of his action. The second question, which is 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.880 what they were kind of discussing yesterday, is whether he 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:12.839 should be executed because of his mental health disorder. I mean, 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.240 the one thing I always tell jury's and I've always 0:35:15.280 --> 0:35:18.720 told people, is people that commit crimes aren't mentally normal. 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.920 I mean that's you know, everyone that essentially commits a 0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:25.640 violent crime like that has some issue going on. The 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.560 question is is the issue the mental health so severe 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.640 that it is prohibited, you know, to have the state 0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.160 use a death penalty. And I think that's what they're 0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.759 looking at right now. And Clyde, he does do a 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.520 good job in this case. He's essentially attacking it from 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.640 two different angles. He's saying, my client's not guilty because 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.520 he's insane, and if you find him to be sane, 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.440 then you can't put him to death because his mental 0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:56.160 health is so severe that that's not applicable to him. 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:59.200 Right the law, Jason Philibama, believe correct, my Brin, you're 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.759 the attorney, I'm not are are There are four specific 0:36:01.880 --> 0:36:06.040 mental illnesses that make defendants death penalty and eligible. And 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.800 so how does the law define significantly impaired to exercise 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:12.120 rational judgment, which is what's going on here, and the 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.360 evidentiary standard prosecutors have to the burden they have to 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.160 overcome to still pursue the death penalty. 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.359 Yeah, the answer to that is probably a good law 0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:25.640 school class. But the in shorts, I think it was 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.919 House Bill one thirty six that essentially prohibits the death 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:33.359 penalty for those that were diagnosed with schizophrenia, I think 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:38.759 schizophrenic disorder, bipolar disorder, and delusional disorder. But again, it 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:41.919 has to be something that's significant. You know, anyone that's 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:46.799 abused drugs usually will have some type of diagnosis with bipolar. 0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.800 But if it's not significant enough to impair and essentially 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.719 effect their everyday life to the extent that you know, 0:36:54.840 --> 0:36:58.080 that's that's something I think would be a factual decision 0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.760 that has to be determined yeah. 0:36:59.680 --> 0:36:59.920 Got it. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.520 And so what you're going to what you're going to 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:07.359 have from a preliminary standpoint is one psychologist basically said, yes, 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.640 it's severe enough that he shouldn't be facing the death 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.839 penalty at least that's what we kind of got from 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.000 the court yesterday. And then the state's going to get 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.239 a second opinion, which happens all the time, this is 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:23.920 not abnormal. And if that doctor says it's not, then 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.840 I think you're going to say that. The judge is 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.279 going to say, let the jury decide that, and I'll 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.320 explain that in a minute. But if the second opinion 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:36.160 comes back and says though it's severe, then all of 0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.360 a sudden, you've got two opinions, one from the defense, 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:41.600 one from the state, and they both say it's severe. 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.319 Then you're going to have the situation where the state 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:46.560 may take the death bonety off the table themselves. 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.000 Yeah, okay, And there's a high bars there should be 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.880 for an insanity defense because mental ones alone, that doesn't 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.319 mean legal insanity. There's a distinction. There's what you're saying, 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.920 and so many people buy Paul, disorder and psychosis can distinguish, right, 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.799 I'm wrong. I don't know, if I'm the prosecutor, IM 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:03.960 look at this going, well, he knows how to the 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.040 rational behavior would be. He gets in a vehicle, he 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.880 operates a motor vehicle, presumably abides by most of the 0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.840 traffic laws. Anyway, on that date, he's looking for a target. 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:16.240 He's out there basically stalking, looking for law enforcement officer 0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:21.160 to kill, maybe even a white law enforcement officer. The 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.160 statements and what statements he made before during because I 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.200 guess when they were showing him the video, he just 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.879 kind of stormed out. The family tried to calm him down. 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.240 He was just angry. But a lot of people commit 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:34.359 crimes when they're angry. Look at the shootings at Fountain Square, 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.520 that's probably about an anger, street beef stuff like that. 0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:41.719 Doesn't mean a mental mental illness or incompetency, you know. 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.440 And at the time he took off, he struck him 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:48.080 and they caught him later. And I think all that 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:49.800 adds in the fact that you know, he made some 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.719 sound decisions and was of the right mind that led 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:57.200 up to the death of Anderson. I don't know how 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:58.200 a jury wouldn't look at that. 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.279 And those are exactly the points the prosecutor is going 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:05.800 to argue if insanity is allowed to pursue, and you know, 0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.320 he has to have a psychologist that also supports the 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:12.880 insanity defense. And the one interesting thing about that is 0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.040 we we can't see what these reports say. The judge 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:20.640 specifically scolded or warned or whatever. Both parties that they 0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:23.960 do not want this report being leaked, so we don't 0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:25.040 know what's in the report. 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.680 We don't know exactly what was said. 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.840 We can surmise a little bit from the arguments, but 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.160 at the end of the day, the prosecutor is going 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.480 to argue, exactly what you just did. This was a 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:38.839 calculated This was a planned This was premeditated at least 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:41.719 by an hour or two, if not, you know, a 0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:43.879 few minutes. It doesn't have to be like a year 0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:48.200 long pre meditate. It's he planned it, even if it 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:50.400 was in a short plan. So I think all of 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.640 those arguments are what the state's going to argue that 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.320 he is. He is guilty for what he did, and 0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:01.120 insanity does and apply. Now if he's found guilt, then 0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:04.600 in a death penalty phase, you then have a sentencing phase. 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.960 It's this completely separate hearing. So jury goes back and 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:11.160 just determines is he guilty or not, and if they 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.640 find him guilty, then the defense and the state get 0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.479 together again and they present more evidence, and at this point, 0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.839 the state has a burden to prove that the death 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.440 penalty is applicable in this case. And that's where you 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.960 get a lot of mitigation from the defense. You know, 0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.839 oh he's a great guy, or oh he has these 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.760 mental illness or get. 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:32.520 It bad like like whatever. 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:35.799 And that's where these reports really will come into play, 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:41.600 because if they can convince a jury that he has 0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:46.239 this serious illness that prohibits the death penalty, then the 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.040 jury won't be able to give the death penalty. And 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:53.440 what's interesting is there's three off ramps for Clyde's client. 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:57.080 The first is, if both reports come back, maybe the 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.279 state takes it off or the judge says, I'm not 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:00.880 going to allow it. 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.680 What's more likely is you're going to have competing experts, and. 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.520 So the judge is going to let the jury decide, 0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.960 and then the jury is going to essentially make their 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:16.239 decision if they find the death penalty. Then the third 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:18.520 off ramp will be an appellate court who will look 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.440 at all the evidence and determine, and that's where we 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:23.759 might see this development the appellate court. 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.239 So there's a lot of sort of moving parts, but 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.080 it really will come down to what this next expert says. 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.200 Gotcha. He is a defense attorney. Jason Phillibaum, our legal 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.759 expert on The Sloan Show talking about Rodney Hitton Junior. 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:37.839 I know we got the Terry Thigi stuff. We're talking 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.200 about that today as well, but this is an important 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:44.040 story because he's accused of killing Deputy Larry Henderson. I 0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:47.839 remember that after his son was out with a gun 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.400 and got shot by Cincinnati police officers. I showed them 0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.480 the video of the shoot and was a go. Was 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:54.800 ruled a deemed a good shooting on the part of 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:57.400 the police officers because the sun was running around with 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.399 a gun, stolen car. Eighteen year old Ryan Hidden legally 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.960 shot by Cincinnati police. He loses his mind apparently and 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:06.080 goes and kills for no reason Deputy Larry Henderson as 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:09.120 quote unquote revenge. And now they're trying to play thee Well, 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.200 he had bipolar disorder and psychosis, and safe to say 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.719 most people have some mental illness in their life. I 0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.759 mean everyone thinks they're normal. The rest of the world 0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:18.480 is aft up. But that's not the case. We're all 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:20.640 flawed in some way, shape or form. I think what 0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:24.520 he did is beyond the effect of psychosis or bipolar disorder. 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:26.359 I mean, clearly he knew what he was doing when 0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:28.800 he murdered Larry Henderson and now is just trying to 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.520 evade his due punishment in this case. When a court 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:38.280 appointed forensic psychologists that testify that he's got these illnesses Jason, Okay, 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:40.680 so he testifies, prosecutors will get a second opinion and 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.800 make contradute the first. How does the judge sort this 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:43.239 all out? 0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:47.640 Well, it's difficult, but at the end of the day, 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:51.560 there's some judges that will, you know, try to impose 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.360 their own sort of decision. 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:55.480 On the case. And we've talked about that. 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:57.759 We kind of, you know, want a judge that's going 0:42:57.840 --> 0:43:00.440 to more interpret the law and not necessarily make the law. 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.160 So some judges may look at this and say, I'm 0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:05.319 taking the death penalty off the table. I have enough 0:43:05.480 --> 0:43:08.799 to do it because this expert says, So. I think 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.600 what you're going to see more judges do is take 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.120 a look at it and if it's a factual issue. 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.279 I'm going to let the jury decide it, because that's 0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:20.719 essentially what our society is based on, is let the 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:24.839 jury decide, you know, the factual issues. Now, if it's 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:27.680 clear cut, then I think the judge has a duty 0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:30.080 then to take the death penalty off the table. So 0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:33.719 if every expert says this is so severe that the 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.080 death penalty shouldn't apply, then I think the judge has 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.920 a duty to do it. But if you have competing experts, 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.719 one says he is one says he's got issues, but 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:44.759 not to the point that the death penalty should be excluded, 0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.239 then I think most judges are going to say, I'm 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:48.600 going to let the jury decide this. 0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:52.560 That way, you know, there's a fair trial, and jury decides. 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.279 And then they're selling a pellet court that's going to 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.440 look at it again and determine whether or not, you know, 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.439 the judge made the right decision, whether the ju made 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:00.799 the right. 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:01.520 Decision, and so on. 0:44:01.719 --> 0:44:03.960 So I think the best thing to do is let 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:06.120 it go through the process. But when a judge sort 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:10.719 of takes one side and rips away their their case. 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:12.239 I think that's what a lot of a lot of 0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:13.319 people don't like. To see. 0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:17.000 Yeah, and Jason Philibon. The idea here is that we 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.000 know he's guilty. You got you've got in place to 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.799 the scene. You've got the smoking gun, you've got the murder, 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:24.680 you've got the deliberation, you've got the intent, you got 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:26.400 all that stuff. There's no question about it. He's the 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.040 guy and he did what he did. Uh what Clyde 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:30.640 Bennett is trying to do in a send some wiggle 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:32.600 room to save this guy's life. That's all this is right? 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:36.480 Yes, And you know what's interesting is we all get 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.320 to the issue of the death pale, like you know 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:43.160 what happened with Charlie Kirk and his his assassination. At 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.680 some point, you know, is life in prison worse than 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.560 the death penalty? But right now, that's not a decision 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:52.280 the jury makes. That's not a decision that the judge 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.040 should make or the attorney should make. That's the decision 0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.680 of society makes. So they look at this case individually. 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.120 Does the death time the apply it does based on 0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.560 the alleged facts, And then the second question is should 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:07.120 the defendant get the death penalty? 0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:10.640 And all the Ohio law did was really sort of 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:15.160 podify what the Supreme Court has already said you can't 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.839 execute the mentally ill, you can't execute minors, you can't 0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:24.320 execute you know, low IQ individuals. They and then so 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.520 Ohio took it one step further and said, the mentally 0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:30.120 ill are these four categories, and we're not going to 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:32.480 let you do that. It still comes down to a 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.839 factual decision, though, about whether or not this individual meets 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.200 those criteria, and I think that's what a jury should 0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:40.000 decide in this case. 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.440 With that said, if a second opinion. 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:45.880 Comes back and as clear as day that this guy's 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:49.560 got some problems, then it's just a matter of you know, 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.320 life in prison versus not And I think that's a 0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.360 guilty versus not guilty, and like you said. 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.440 That's not really in question. The question is what happens 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.000 when the jury finds them guilt. 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:05.279 In this case, does does intent override mental illness? In 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.719 that the prosecutors claimed to hit and intentionally drove in 0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:10.520 to Henderson. I think that's clear that he did. But 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:14.719 does that evidence of intentional, purposeful, willful conduct undermine the 0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:15.560 mouth allness claim. 0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:19.640 It does to some extent, But you have to think 0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:21.600 about almost every crime is intent. 0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:25.120 Imagine a guy that's hopped up on drugs and breaks. 0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:27.600 Into a house and then you know, gets into a 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:31.040 fight with a homeowner and kills him. That was all intentional. 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:34.759 But in this case, like you emphasize, which is what 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:39.719 the prostitutes emphasized, there was an intent to kill long 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:42.640 before you broke into a house and stumbled across the homeowner. 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:45.240 You know, that was sort of a secondary intent. 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:48.320 This guy was, you know, a leisuredly driving down the 0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:51.400 street looking for an officer to exact his revenge. And 0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.920 I think that's what's going to like you said, probably 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.640 err on the side of Hey, this person was sane 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.120 enough to coordinate a plan of attack to kill this 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:03.879 individual standing on the side of the road, and that's 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:07.200 going to go against whether or not the psychosis is 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:10.120 so bad that it should take the death penalty off 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:10.520 the table. 0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.320 Now, in the hitting case, how common is it for 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.840 faces for what I believe aggravated murder is what the 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.120 charge is, to successfully use mental illness as a defense here, 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:22.120 it's pretty rare that they succeed. 0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:26.200 Well, it's it's rare in the guilt phase, but it's 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:27.120 actually not that. 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:30.480 I mean, it's more common in the you know, I've 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.600 had death penalty cases where I remember one of my 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.160 first death penalty cases, the guy stabbed the guy twenty 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:39.279 three times, and we argue to the jury that, you know, 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.320 he should face the death penalty because it was a 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:45.120 burglary and a murder, and the jury came back and 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.920 found life. And the reason was is, you know, the 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:51.080 guy had a bad childhood, he had some mental health issues, 0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.200 he was depressed, he was anxious, and they felt that 0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:58.320 was enough to you know, take off the death penalty 0:47:58.440 --> 0:47:59.759 and just do life. 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:02.160 And isn't And I think because it has to be 0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:03.240 a unanimous decision. 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:06.120 So what happens is there's twelve jurors and ten are 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:10.000 saying death and two are saying no this. You know, 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.839 there's two reasons why he should maybe not get death. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.960 And then after two days of deliberation, the jury comes 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.799 back with life because they're thinking, hey, life is worse 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.279 than death. I mean, I'm if I have to spend 0:48:22.280 --> 0:48:24.040 the rest of my life in prison, that's awful. I 0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:29.960 think that's why defense attorneys will argue, and sometimes very successfully, 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:33.279 that mental health is a reason why you should put 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.000 this person in prison for life instead of death. 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:40.480 All right, Jason philibum. Finally, December first, I believe is 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:44.799 the next hearing. It's insignificant one, and the determination there 0:48:44.960 --> 0:48:47.439 is going to be whether a judge finds hitting death 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:51.560 penalty and eligible or eligible. If indeed that happens December first, 0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:53.520 and I'm sure we'll talk around, then can prosecute just 0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:55.680 appeal that decision for the trial and what's going to 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:57.480 happen December first and quickly thereafter. 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:00.000 That's a good quest. 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:05.080 And you know, typically a prosecutor cannot appeal that decision 0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:10.560 prior to the trial, so the prosecutors have very limited 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:11.359 appellate rights. 0:49:11.640 --> 0:49:13.759 It's usually after the fact, and if. 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.319 Someone has found not guilty, then you know they can 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:18.600 have an appeal that argues law, but it's not going 0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.880 to change the verdict. So in this particular case, I 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.040 think they're probably going to be stuck with whatever the 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:27.239 judge decides. I mean, they could appeal after the fact, 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:29.880 but it's not going to change this case. So what 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.560 it's really going to come down to what December happens, 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:34.360 is what their expert says. 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.319 If they're expert, and I would expect their expert. 0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.719 Comes back and just has a different opinion, then I 0:49:39.800 --> 0:49:41.960 would expect the judge to say, let us go to 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:45.520 trial and decide. But again, if it's a situation where 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.440 you know it's clear that he has such a mental 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:53.160 health issue that qualifies under this house build then and 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.160 you may see the prosecutor withdraw it to himself. 0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:56.759 All right. 0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.320 He is Jason Philibauma attorney at law. I'm are a 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:04.160 prosecutor now in private practice explaining what the path forward is. 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:07.839 Here Rodney Hinton Junior, in his insanity play, a court 0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:12.120 ordered psychologist concluded he's got mental health illness. It's significantly 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.360 impaired's ability to exercise rational judgment when he decided to 0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:18.399 murder and stalk and kill Larry Henderson, which I think 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:20.239 if I were in a jury, I disagree with that. 0:50:20.400 --> 0:50:22.480 But we'll find out with the defense or the I 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:24.600 guess the prosecutors move now and then that hearing on 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.560 December first, and all the whole sorts out. But he 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.680 is Jason Philipon. Thanks again for the sharp legal insight 0:50:30.800 --> 0:50:32.080 as always, buddy, appreciate you. 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:34.120 I appreciate it. Thank you. 0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:36.320 All right, we move on next up on the Scottslan 0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.160 Show on seven hundred W to of course, we start 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.680 with the news updates about four five minutes away, and 0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.240 later on we'll get to Dan Hort Thursday Night football. 0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:46.120 Something a little lighter for us today Cincinnati Pittsburgh and 0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.080 all closer than that the state of Terry Thiji as 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.480 we await the verdict on her career future, whether and 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:54.920 you know, again, I don't think it matters if it's 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:59.359 Thiji or it's and Chief anybody else for that matter, 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.320 in the long list people been around and again it 0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:03.960 is the piper that's calling the tune, and the piper 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.360 would be after pure Vault manager shere along. I don't know, 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.680 maybe Iris rawling a bunch of others, but Fiji is 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:13.200 like kind of like when Zach Taylor fired lou Ana 0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:17.320 Arumo last season, and that is it really lou Anaruma 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:20.319 because he took his show to Indianapolis and they're five 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:24.200 and one? So is it really the the person who's 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.080 subject to the rule or the rulemakers themselves? You decide. 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:35.560 Seven hundred W wild Scott Floan show. This is a 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:37.879 seven hundred W wild w who just ran that story 0:51:37.920 --> 0:51:40.759 about the represent of Dave Taylor Claremont County, And I 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:46.280 guess someone whose office had a flag I didn't describe 0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.520 it as on a blog the substack called the Rooster 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:51.279 when I give a credit there to the person who 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:53.720 broke the story. But someone's on a conference calling the background. 0:51:53.760 --> 0:51:56.799 He's on American flag and the middle bars. I don't 0:51:56.800 --> 0:51:58.239 know how to describe this. Middle bars are the red 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:03.200 stripes across America flag are altered in the fashion to 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:04.880 make it look like a swastika in the middle of it, 0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:09.760 and comparatively to a Nazi swastika, which is kind of angle. 0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.040 This is upright. I don't know. It's just a weird, 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:13.880 weird story that's breaking right now. I don't know if 0:52:13.880 --> 0:52:15.880 it's a photo manipulation, if it's a real thing, but 0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:18.600 a reportedly capital The police have gone and actually sees 0:52:18.680 --> 0:52:23.319 the flag itself, and at some point we'll have an 0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:26.160 update on that investigation. I've reached out to Representative Taylor, 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:27.680 and I'm sure at some point I'll come on and 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.560 talk about it as they continue the investigation. So we 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:36.440 have that going on this morning as well. Every time 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:40.680 one of these stories break, I go, you think, maybe 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.879 the price, you know, and I hate to say it's 0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:44.359 gonna come out wrong. There's a lot of the stuff 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.799 I say oftentimes, but I'll just blurt it out there. 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:51.240 You think maybe some of these boosters programs and our towns, 0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:55.160 villages and hamlets that maybe just got too much money. 0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.800 Not to blame the victim here at all. We have 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:00.719 a couple of stories that are g Layton right now. 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.360 Dearborn County. Dearborn got forty six year old president of 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:08.440 a civics club in a small town Dearborn County. This 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:11.320 charge of a felony for stealing over well, it was 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:13.839 like one hundred thousand dollars still fifty grand between twenty 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.120 eighteen and twenty twenty five kind of bled them a 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:18.960 little bit, but the amount is actually higher than that. 0:53:19.560 --> 0:53:21.919 And now he's in hot water because this small town 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:25.640 civics club, he was using it to go to casinos 0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:28.640 and trips and cruises and everything else. In Mason, a 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:31.320 forty four year old woman who's convicted for theft I 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.960 think a fellony five and telecommunications fraud. She's stole over 0:53:35.040 --> 0:53:38.040 six thousand dollars from the Mason Football Boosters account to 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.600 pay personal credit card expenses. She was the head of 0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.759 the Mason Cheerboosters group, so she had some access to 0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:45.560 the football booters, I guess doing them some help. But 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.319 then they said, well, wait a minute, she's not even 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.960 with the football boosters, and yet she got six thousand dollars. 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.719 Let's check out the Mason cheer booster's account, and there 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:55.200 they found that she stole almost thirty thousand dollars from 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:57.440 that account. Now people hear that. I hear that and go, 0:53:57.840 --> 0:53:59.759 what is wrong with you? You're stealing from kids, you're 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:03.800 still from civic organizations. But at the same time, the 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:05.719 other part of me is, and this is not the 0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:09.960 first time that's happened. Is this happens rather frequently if 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:12.719 you follow it. And the amount of money that's being 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:17.319 grifted here is it's not the tenas. What's a lot 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:20.680 of money, you know, specifically, I look at the Mason one, 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.040 which is close to home for me. Okay, six thousand 0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:25.520 from the football, thirty thousand dollars from the cheer boosters, 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:27.520 And look than some of these accounts, and they're in 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:31.640 the hundreds of thousands of dollars. And one I think 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.200 legitimately I may ask, is well, you know, why are 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:36.160 you stealing the money? Because I think they probably see 0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:38.320 it as a victimist crime. They probably go, well, you know, 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:42.240 I deserve it because I volunteer. I do the same reason, 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:45.600 the same excuse that there's a psychological term for this, 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.600 and and bother looking that up. I'll just spurt this. 0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:53.239 But where we're like, you know, pastors will skim money, 0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:56.359 or they'll involve in, you know, extra marital affairs. All 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:58.280 the stuff that they preach against doing, they'll do themselves. 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:00.560 There's a sense of entitlement that I was like, well, 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.200 I work hard, and I'm good in all these other 0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:06.359 lives and improving other lives and other charities and things 0:55:06.400 --> 0:55:09.359 I do, and so I'm allowed this deliance, I think 0:55:09.520 --> 0:55:11.840 is the how you describe. It's kind of like for 0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.560 the rest of us would be, hey, you know I 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.640 ate right and exercised, I did all this stuff that 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.040 I did. You know what, I deserve to eat an 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.360 entire pizza. It's kind of like the same mentelity. I 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:27.120 think I'm gonna be wrong about that. But in both cases, 0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.799 and specifically, I mean you're sitting there go like wow, 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:32.359 yeah times, or or like there's just stuff I want 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.960 that I can't afford because the decisions I made, or 0:55:36.160 --> 0:55:38.080 because of things that happened in my life. Or combination 0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:39.879 of both, which is true for all of us. I mean, hell, 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.920 I would love to go buy a, you know, a Lamborghini, 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.239 but scotts Loan's not buying a Lamborghini anytime soon Afterdamn sure, 0:55:46.360 --> 0:55:49.279 I'm gonna continue to driving the old truck. The same 0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:51.719 for you, so we don't go and do those things 0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:53.799 because I really don't. I can't do any more prison 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:55.800 time personally, I can't. I can't be down. I just 0:55:56.719 --> 0:55:58.279 I've been there, I've done that. I'm not going back 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:01.520 to prison. And you probably think the same way, like, yeah, 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:03.440 I don't want to be I don't want to throw 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.000 everything away. I've worked for my entire life. I'm good, 0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.239 So I guess I won't get that Lamborghini or that 0:56:08.320 --> 0:56:10.360 shiny new thing. Some people can't stay stand out of 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.520 control those urges. But I also look at it and go, 0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:17.920 how much money do you actually need for high school 0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:23.560 and middle school cheerleaders? And I know it's going to 0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:25.480 come off as victim blaming and I'm trying not to 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:27.399 do that, but for the life of me, I can't 0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:30.480 figure out why you need that much money. I know 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:36.279 there's travel, and there's uniforms and expenses and really is 0:56:36.400 --> 0:56:38.960 there or is it just you make that up and go, yeah, well, 0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:40.400 we got all these things we need to do. Do 0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.840 you really need to have home and away uniforms and 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.600 travel and have fireworks at a touchdown in middle school? 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:51.520 And you really don't, No, you don't. But we've gotten 0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.040 away from that in America, and that's probably true for 0:56:54.160 --> 0:56:57.080 the industry. It's created. As you know, we have kids 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.680 that are five six seven having personal trainers and coaches 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:03.000 and five sixty seven. You know, when we're five six seven, 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:05.440 we barely keep our shoes on, Like when I coached 0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:07.760 my son's little league team when he's not very athletic. 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:10.800 Admittedly he doesn't like it. We tried, we tried soccer, 0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:13.080 we tried t ball, we tried all that stuff, and yeah, 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.359 at that age, you're lucky if you can get them 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:19.080 to keep their glove and shoes on, let alone practice 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.680 the art of a double play. It's not happening. And 0:57:22.840 --> 0:57:24.640 so we've got all this invested because when our kids 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:26.760 would be successful athletes and we prop them up in 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:28.560 Athlete of the Week and athlete this, and they're going 0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:31.280 to get a scholarship and probably not, but we hope. 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.680 So when you know we put so much in those adults, 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:35.440 and it doesn't surprise me there's that much money in 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:39.360 those accounts, which is allure for some people. But the 0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:41.400 fact that people steal money's nothing new. The fact that 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:47.000 we have one hundred thousands of dollars in cheerleading accounts 0:57:47.040 --> 0:57:50.360 and boost your accounts and stuff like that. I could 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.360 see that college because that's college money. But middle school, 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:57.640 high school, I don't know. Man, I don't know. But 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:00.160 that's back on all of us, isn't it. That's on 0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:02.480 me and that's you because that's what we hold up here. 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.400 This doesn't surprise me. So STORYU of Arkansas this morning. 0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:10.360 Bear with me a second. This guy is running for sheriff, 0:58:10.400 --> 0:58:12.680 So what case you guy's running for sheriff in some 0:58:12.720 --> 0:58:16.440 place in Arkansas? So what the sheriff is facing second 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:21.800 degree murder charges? Because now check this out, he admitted 0:58:21.880 --> 0:58:25.720 to He said, yep, I shot the guy. Sixty seven 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:30.360 year old man was found with the sheriff the candidate's 0:58:30.520 --> 0:58:35.520 fourteen year old daughter in the candidate's car right now. 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:38.000 I'm sorry. In the guy's name is Michael Fossler, sixty 0:58:38.000 --> 0:58:39.840 seven years old. The sheriff' named Aaron Spencer, the guy 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:44.240 running for sheriffs Aaron Spencer. Spencer admits he shot sixty 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.440 seven year old Michael Fossler after finding Fossler with his 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:52.400 fourteen year old daughter alone in Fossil's car. At the time, 0:58:52.880 --> 0:58:58.200 Fossler was out on bail after being arrested on accusations 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:01.400 of sex crimes, and not just one, dozens of sex 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:06.640 crimes involving the same fourteen year old girl. Now, if 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:11.919 your mom, if your dad, what do you think about 0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:14.600 him running for office? He's looking at forty five years 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:17.520 in prison and obviously would become disqualified from being sheriff. 0:59:19.160 --> 0:59:23.720 Three hundred and sixty thousand people, I said, three hundred 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:29.840 and sixty thousand people outside a petition hoping to absolve 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:35.880 him of his alleged crimes. And it's small, rural Arkansas. 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:39.360 But nonetheless, the polling suggests he would win that election 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:44.720 hands down, and he admitted to murdering a man who 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:49.520 is facing sexual molestation charges against his daughter. I would 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:53.440 vote for Aaron Spencer. I know what the laws are, 0:59:54.520 --> 0:59:57.560 and I know what the rules are. And maybe it's 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.960 because I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I see what happens. 1:00:01.040 --> 1:00:04.920 I get it, like there are crimes and then there 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:09.400 are crimes, right, the Epstein stuff. I get the outrage. 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:12.080 I get the anger that people on the right feel 1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:15.000 about what's going with the Epstein fils. Oh my god, yeah, 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:17.000 we're gonna expose it to do this. Okay, Yeah, there's 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.520 nothing to see here. Wait, it just went away. It 1:00:19.640 --> 1:00:21.480 didn't really go away. It's gone back back up there 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.840 in the election. There's no doubt. So I get that 1:00:24.200 --> 1:00:26.400 there are crimes are just so egregious and so heinous, 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:30.200 and even the suggestion the propriety of it is a 1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:33.440 hanging of fence. And so when you hear those stories 1:00:34.120 --> 1:00:36.000 and then you see what's happening to a lesser lovel, 1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:37.520 I'm not. I would to say lesser love of murder's 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:40.560 pretty serious too. People shooting eachself. You realize, like, Okay, 1:00:41.280 --> 1:00:45.560 vigil ante time. The dude's a vigilante and he is 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.240 the reason he would win that election is because he 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:52.840 symbolizes the vigilantie we're looking for. We're looking and for 1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:56.720 someone to kick come in and kick ass. Remember that 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:59.200 you're old enough the old Charles Bronson movies back in 1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:01.680 the day, right and we've got Reacher today. It's the 1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:05.160 same thing. When there's times like this where you feel like, wow, 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.120 the world's out of control and there's dangerous people running 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:08.960 around with impunity and no one's keeping them in check. 1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:11.840 We always have the rise of the vigilani Hollywood character 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:15.040 right and reach her. I mean kind of sort of 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:17.000 fits that role, not like Charles Bronton did back in 1:01:17.000 --> 1:01:19.920 the day, but that's always been popular. We just need 1:01:20.000 --> 1:01:21.440 a bad ass to whoop some ast, and we just 1:01:21.440 --> 1:01:23.080 need someone go whoops some ass with the bad guys 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:25.880 here off the record, we kind of this guy's like, 1:01:26.400 --> 1:01:28.040 you know what, he's with my daughter. He's ready to 1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:30.080 charges and he's back with it again and he's on it. 1:01:30.880 --> 1:01:33.120 You probably should get shot. I think he's doing at 1:01:33.160 --> 1:01:36.080 that case, at sixty seven, maybe doing society a favor. 1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:38.720 Now he may be I know, this is not justice. No, 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:40.680 he should come on. That's horrible. You can't say that 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:42.360 because he should have his day in court and the 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:46.480 whole thing. But I mean, come on, man, you don't 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:48.800 think this guy did something. He's arrested on dozens of 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:51.000 sex crimes against the fourteen year old who hasn't a car. Again, 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:53.960 I mean maybe you know, I'm sure there's someone going, well, 1:01:54.000 --> 1:01:55.520 the fourteen year old, Well, why was she in the 1:01:55.560 --> 1:01:57.480 car with him? Why aren't you watching your daughter? Or 1:01:57.520 --> 1:01:59.840 why was she with Well, she's making your own decision. 1:01:59.880 --> 1:02:02.480 I'm sorry, you're fourteen year underage. You can't make those decisions. 1:02:04.560 --> 1:02:06.280 I kind of get what's going on in Arkansas there, 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.400 and it's just it's again a reflection of our times. 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.920 He is somewhat the anti hero. This Aaron Spencer got's comedy. 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.480 Interesting story. I'd imagine it's probably gonna get a lot 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:18.919 more legs. But you know, he still did, indeed murder 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:21.080 a man, and you're gonna be sheriff. And I don't 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:22.960 know if that enables you to then go do other 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.560 vigilanti type stuff. But I get where the sentiment is, 1:02:26.360 --> 1:02:27.920 like I don't know who the other candidate is, but 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:30.439 this dude's a badass. Like you know, I'm a father 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:34.320 of a girl, so I'm with him. Like that stuff 1:02:34.360 --> 1:02:38.600 goes on. You gotta do what you gotta do. So 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:40.760 I don't know if I do it, but I sure 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:43.120 respect the hell out of it. That's for sure. That's 1:02:43.160 --> 1:02:46.040 for sure. That's going on in Arkansas by the way Arkansas. 1:02:46.640 --> 1:02:48.400 We gotta get a news update, so coming up in 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:50.439 just minutes. Here, Dan Horde, voice of the Bengal's gonna 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:54.160 jump in Cincinnati Pittsburgh tonight, Thursday Night football. The eyes 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:57.000 of the football world are honus here in Cincinnati, says 1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:59.840 city always looks good. Now we'll get that shot of 1:03:00.000 --> 1:03:01.720 Mountain Square, will get the shot of the Genius of 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:04.720 Water Statue. Just disregard the guys with long guns and 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.840 tactical gear on. Never mind that the city's gonna look 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:11.560 nice tonight. Hopefully and hopefully there's no knuckleheads doing stuff 1:03:11.600 --> 1:03:15.680 that overshadow this event. Hopefully the knuckleheads on the field 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:17.320 can figure this out and get a win for the 1:03:17.360 --> 1:03:21.520 first time since Joe Burrow went down four straight losing 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:25.360 sarshow shirt games losing and look to break that where 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.280 they win tonight against the Pittsburgh Stale. It's gonna be 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:29.800 tough and the icy hot bulls we've been calling it 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.400 between Joe Flacco and a guy that used to be 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:34.480 up north that is now over in the East and 1:03:34.560 --> 1:03:37.480 Pittsburgh and Aaron Rodgers. Tonight, we'll have the game for you. 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:40.720 Our coverage starts at at three o'clock today Live broadcast, 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:42.840 Holy Grailed Banks, home of the best Bengals coverage, seven 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:43.720 hundred WTM. 1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:48.800 Do you want to be an American? All right? 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:52.760 Thursday night football circus is in town. Bengals, Steelers, Cincinnati, 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:54.800 trying to stop the fourteen bleed and get a win 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:57.720 on a short week. It gets a little easier schedule 1:03:57.720 --> 1:03:59.760 wise with us. You got Jets, you got Bears before 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:03.080 the and you got to go there. Of course, back 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:06.240 to Pittsburgh, but Ravens Bills really banged up. You think 1:04:06.280 --> 1:04:08.600 some of those players will get healthy. Not quite sure 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:11.760 about QB one mar Jackson, but we'll see. Patriots are rolling. 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:14.640 You got Miami, Arizona, Cleveland. So you know, at this 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:16.439 point in the season, we're doing the math and trying 1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:18.800 to get to nine wins. But tonight, tonight feels like 1:04:19.200 --> 1:04:21.280 you can't let Pittsburgh go to five and one on 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:23.040 That is the voice of the Bengals. That would be 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:26.200 Dan Horde this morning on seven hundred w welw and Dan, 1:04:26.280 --> 1:04:29.040 I was talking about you just days ago, and condolences 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:32.160 to you. Jim Kelly Junior, your broadcast partner for many 1:04:32.200 --> 1:04:35.040 many years, over two decades passed away from cancer too early. 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:36.840 You read that and went, man, I know he was sick, 1:04:36.920 --> 1:04:39.640 but I didn't know it was his Time's condolences to 1:04:39.720 --> 1:04:41.920 you the Bearcat family. You can't say enough about how 1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:42.680 good a guy he was. 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:46.120 It's heartbreaking, Slney. Jim Kelly Junior was as good as 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:48.760 a gets and I really am having a hard time 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:51.080 believing I am not going to be having a light 1:04:51.160 --> 1:04:55.160 beer with him tomorrow night at a hotel bar in Stillwater, Oklahoma. 1:04:55.520 --> 1:04:57.840 I joked the other night that Jim Kelly Junior is 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:01.320 in the Hotel Bar Hall of Fame. There's nothing that 1:05:01.440 --> 1:05:04.160 he liked more than having a beer in his hand, 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:08.960 talking football with Bearcats fans, meeting the parents of our players, 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:13.800 hanging out at tailgates, and getting fired up for the 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:18.080 upcoming game. People love doing that with him. He loved 1:05:18.080 --> 1:05:21.960 doing it with them. He's just an awesome person. And man, 1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:24.160 I'm going to miss him so much. It came way 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:26.720 too quickly. Just a few weeks ago, he had had 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:30.840 a surgical procedure and at that point kind of anticipated 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:33.000 he would miss one game and then would be back. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:37.560 And unfortunately, cancer sucks and it took his life far 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:38.160 too soon. 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:40.640 To take so many good people too. And he always 1:05:40.680 --> 1:05:42.720 struck me as the Joe nuxall of the Bearcats. 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:49.400 It's a good comparison. His father, Jim Senior, started playing 1:05:49.480 --> 1:05:52.800 for UC in nineteen forty seven and served the athletic 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:56.160 department for more than half a century as a player, coach, 1:05:56.600 --> 1:06:00.880 and the administrator. Then Jim came along, played for Thecats coach, 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:04.080 briefly went on to be a broadcaster for thirty five years. 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:07.520 Between him and his dad, there was a Jim Kelly, 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:11.280 either senior or junior, affiliated with the university for seventy 1:06:11.320 --> 1:06:15.360 eight uninterrupted years. It's just an incredible family legacy. The 1:06:15.480 --> 1:06:17.960 UC Athletic Hall of Fame is named for his dad. 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.680 Jim Junior is in the Hall of Fame. They're both 1:06:20.800 --> 1:06:23.880 UC Hall of Famers. So man, he's going to be missed. 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:25.760 Yeah, sorry for the loss. I mean it's it really 1:06:25.880 --> 1:06:30.080 is tragic. Let's segue to Thursday night football here in Cincinnati, 1:06:30.120 --> 1:06:32.800 got Pittsburgh in town and I mentioned, you know, you 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:35.200 can't let Pittsburgh go to five and one to me, Dan, 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:37.720 I think you got to win the night. You gotta 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:39.760 feel like you can still control things. You got a 1:06:39.840 --> 1:06:42.200 divisional opponent in town. Chance to go to three and four, 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:45.440 two and zero in the division. You know doesn't need 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:47.360 to because you can look at the math and go, yeah, 1:06:47.400 --> 1:06:49.240 could you get to nine? Sure, but boy, it feels 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:50.240 like a must win the night to me. 1:06:51.920 --> 1:06:54.520 Well, I know you're a Buffalo Bill's fan, Floony, so 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.160 you can appreciate the great Marv Levy, one of the 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.680 great coaches of all time. Marv was asked about a 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:02.120 must win game once and said the last must win 1:07:02.280 --> 1:07:07.680 was World War Two. So this doesn't necessarily qualify, but 1:07:07.800 --> 1:07:10.080 it is a pivotal game for some of the reasons 1:07:10.360 --> 1:07:13.240 that you described. You don't want Pittsburgh to run away 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:16.840 and hide and get the five and one. Having said that, 1:07:17.720 --> 1:07:20.760 you talked about how the Bengals have an easier schedule 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:27.560 coming up. Here's what the Steelers have coming up. The Packers, Colts, Chargers, Bills, Lions. 1:07:28.040 --> 1:07:30.840 Two of their last few games of the season are 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:33.560 against the Ravens when Lamar should be back. So they're 1:07:33.640 --> 1:07:37.200 probably going to come back to the Pack somewhat, but 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.520 the climb to catch them gets much easier if you 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:43.080 can beat them head to head. Tonight, the Bengals would 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:44.680 be two and zero in the division. They would have 1:07:45.040 --> 1:07:47.400 had to head win against Pittsburgh in their pockets, right, 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:51.360 must win, No, but pivotal game, absolutely, Yeah. 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.120 In Pittsburgh's one of those teams. Strikes me is, you know, 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:56.240 I don't see them as a big playoffs threat kind 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:57.840 of team, but week to week, you know, it's one 1:07:57.840 --> 1:07:59.760 of the what kind of team are we getting this week? 1:08:00.000 --> 1:08:02.080 They always bring game when they come to Cincinnati. 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:06.800 Yeah, I think the jury is still out somewhat as 1:08:06.920 --> 1:08:09.200 to just how good they are. You look at their 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:11.880 four wins so far. They do have two wins against 1:08:11.920 --> 1:08:15.200 teams with winning records to beat the Patriots. Patriots are 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:17.519 two games over five hundred. They beat the Vikings. The 1:08:17.600 --> 1:08:20.200 Vikings are one game over five hundred. But in that 1:08:20.360 --> 1:08:25.320 Patriots game, New England dominated statistically, but turned it over 1:08:25.479 --> 1:08:29.360 five times, including four fumbles, and they lost all four. Now, 1:08:29.560 --> 1:08:32.280 give Pittsburgh credit for forcing some of those turnovers, but 1:08:32.640 --> 1:08:35.640 there's certainly a luck element there when you fumble at 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:38.000 four times and it goes to the other team every time. 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:42.360 So Pittsburgh's good. I'm not sure that they have the 1:08:42.520 --> 1:08:44.559 ceiling of a team that can go a long way 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:47.960 in the playoffs. But they get the best quarterback play 1:08:48.000 --> 1:08:49.680 they've had in a long time out of forty one 1:08:49.760 --> 1:08:50.200 year old. 1:08:50.040 --> 1:08:51.640 Are now as we know too, health has a long 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:54.960 way to go with a two and so last week 1:08:55.160 --> 1:08:57.760 was the talent two haves. We had the offense and 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:00.920 defense again, that complimentary game the coaches talk about was 1:09:01.000 --> 1:09:04.880 absent last week in Green Bay. You know, I want 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:07.400 to think that Joe Flacca, like the second half was, Hey, 1:09:07.560 --> 1:09:09.320 I figured it out. Took me a few It took 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.320 me a half, It took me four or five drives. Okay, 1:09:11.400 --> 1:09:13.360 they got to the fourth drives, like we started to 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:15.360 see him figure things out a little bit more and 1:09:15.400 --> 1:09:17.400 who he could depend on. Who's a It takes a 1:09:17.400 --> 1:09:18.280 while to build chemistry. 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:18.680 We know that. 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:21.479 But this week, then if that's the truth, if we've 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.040 had a strong second half last week offensively, that's got 1:09:24.120 --> 1:09:26.600 to carry over to tonight. I think you got to 1:09:26.640 --> 1:09:28.080 start with points on them. But he can't go down 1:09:28.160 --> 1:09:29.800 ten nothing like he did last week. 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:33.800 They haven't scored a touchdown in the first half since 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:36.960 Joe Burrow's injury, so they've been down by double digits 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:39.559 at halftime in each of their last four games. It's 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:42.000 really hard to dig out of those holes, particularly when 1:09:42.000 --> 1:09:45.040 you're playing good teams. And I don't think Pittsburgh's great, 1:09:45.120 --> 1:09:47.960 but they're certainly good, so they can't be way behind 1:09:48.040 --> 1:09:51.080 again at halftime. I think you're right about Placo. I 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:53.479 think he started to feel comfortable in the second half 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:55.439 last week. He had a passer rating of one oh 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:59.160 seven after halftime, completed seventy percent of his passes. So 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:02.160 I think he should be better over the course of 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:06.480 four quarters in this game instead of like really struggling 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:08.200 for the first two and then being really good in 1:10:08.280 --> 1:10:11.000 the last two. And he's certainly used to what he's 1:10:11.040 --> 1:10:13.760 going to see tonight. I think he's played against Pittsburgh 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:17.400 twenty five times, including playoff games. He beat him last 1:10:17.439 --> 1:10:20.639 year while playing for the Indianapolis Colts. So there's nothing 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:23.000 he's going to see tonight that he hasn't seen before. 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:25.639 Yeah, And I think too, as we saw the defense 1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:28.120 Wilton the second half, how much of that was personnel 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:30.040 in schemes, but how much of that was the fact 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:32.960 that they really hung around for the first half of 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:34.920 the football game. And does that begin is that the 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.160 problem the offense is getting off the field too quickly 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:39.840 by the fourth quarter, the defense's gassed. Is it that simple? 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:44.000 Well, that's certainly been true in some of their games 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:46.160 this year. I didn't think that was the case as 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:49.599 much last week because even in the first half, when 1:10:49.640 --> 1:10:52.840 the offense was terrible, the defense wasn't out there for 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:56.120 a ridiculous long period of time. I mean, it was bad, 1:10:56.479 --> 1:10:58.519 but it wasn't like it was in some of the 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:01.519 other games. And then in the second half the offense 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:04.080 had some really long drives. The first drive of the 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:07.240 second half was a seventeen play drive that should have 1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:11.120 helped the defense, but for whatever reason, the defense couldn't 1:11:11.120 --> 1:11:13.120 get a stop when they needed to in the second half. 1:11:13.200 --> 1:11:15.080 The Packers obviously had a lot to do with that. 1:11:15.280 --> 1:11:18.439 Jordan Love and that team is really good, but they 1:11:18.560 --> 1:11:20.639 need four quarters out of the defense. They've been getting 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:23.400 two sometimes two and a half. If they haven't gotten 1:11:23.439 --> 1:11:24.280 four since Week one. 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.000 Yeah, we'll get to the d in a second, because 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:28.320 I wanted to wrap up two with tight end. Mike 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:31.479 Aseeki's out with that peck injury. Tanner Hudson is out 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:33.840 with a concussion. So you're two top two two, So 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:35.640 are we going to see? Are you gonna see more? 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:36.080 No? Ah Fan. 1:11:36.360 --> 1:11:38.080 Are they going to go to three wide? But then again, 1:11:38.200 --> 1:11:41.919 Josavas struggled. Well, how do you see the after chasing Higgins? 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:44.960 What do you see the options as well? 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:48.519 They still have three tight ends, so they've lost two 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:50.559 that they'd defend on in the passing game, but they 1:11:50.640 --> 1:11:52.800 still have three that they're going to use tonight. Noah 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:55.280 Fan is the best pass catcher among the three they 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:58.559 have left three Sample is the best blocker. Cam Grandy 1:11:58.720 --> 1:12:01.400 is more of a blocking type and receiving type, so 1:12:01.520 --> 1:12:03.400 if they throw it to the tight end, it's probably 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:07.200 going to be no offan. But this team primarily is 1:12:07.240 --> 1:12:10.240 a three wide receiver, one running back, one tight end team. 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:13.479 So yeah, Yossi Vosh had a lousy game last week, 1:12:13.600 --> 1:12:15.200 but I would expect him to be fine tonight. 1:12:15.360 --> 1:12:16.960 You get him in or what about Mitch Tinsley. 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:21.920 Oh, Yosi Vash is the number three wide receiver, Tintley 1:12:22.000 --> 1:12:24.400 is the number four. They'll both play, but Andre will 1:12:24.439 --> 1:12:25.120 get more snaps. 1:12:25.280 --> 1:12:27.880 Gotcha all right? So defensive side of the ball, Dan Horde, 1:12:28.520 --> 1:12:31.000 interesting development, Logan Wilson, you got a captain, You got 1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:32.960 it with a green dot. He's in been in the league. 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:36.479 What six years. I believe all of a sudden, Barrett 1:12:36.520 --> 1:12:40.439 Carter is now and he's a rookie. Demetrius Knight junior 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:44.120 the other one, he's a rookie, and Wilson by far, 1:12:44.200 --> 1:12:45.920 I don't think is the biggest problem on de Why 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:46.839 why Logan Wilson. 1:12:48.000 --> 1:12:49.760 I was really surprised by that one, to tell you 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:52.479 the truth, I didn't see it coming. I thought that 1:12:52.640 --> 1:12:56.479 Logan Wilson was playing okay, he hadn't made any big plays, 1:12:56.600 --> 1:12:59.760 but I didn't think he was egregiously bad prior to 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:02.840 last week. But I think this goes back to the 1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:05.080 stuff that we talked about in the off season flony 1:13:05.160 --> 1:13:08.439 when they signed Jamar and Tea on the same day 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:11.639 and made their quarterback and their two wide receivers three 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:13.720 of the highest paid players in the league. We said, then, 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:17.840 the formula on defense, because it's the salary cap league, 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.760 will have to be younger and cheaper, and I think 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:22.920 this is a move in that direction. They've got two 1:13:23.040 --> 1:13:26.360 linebackers that they drafted this year that they like, and 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.799 they want to try to develop them as quickly as possible. 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:32.639 So I think they're willing to live with some growing, 1:13:32.800 --> 1:13:36.920 growing plant pains and hope that Metrius Knight and Barrett 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:39.360 Carter can be their duel for a long time going forward. 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:41.960 Yeah, okay, I mean that that makes sense. There is 1:13:42.000 --> 1:13:43.720 wonder if there's a message in there, because you know, 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:45.800 I'm going on a list of defensive players that are 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:49.120 allied for so Logan Wilson is in the top few. 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.880 But on the they here's some good news. They got 1:13:51.920 --> 1:13:54.000 some good news. Shamar Stewart is going to play tonight, 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:55.760 and it's great to have him back because he looked 1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:58.040 pretty good. Missed the last what four games, had a 1:13:58.080 --> 1:14:00.680 little ankle sprain, and I think he's gone a lot 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:03.719 of work tonight. Because the other guy in there, Trey Hendrickson, 1:14:03.840 --> 1:14:06.519 is still questionable. We won't ultile what about six forty five, 1:14:06.760 --> 1:14:09.200 six thirty six forty five if he's even going tonight. 1:14:10.160 --> 1:14:12.559 And the fact that he didn't practice all week, well, 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:14.960 it's a short week. The fact that he hasn't practiced 1:14:14.960 --> 1:14:17.040 and didn't play in the second half last week against 1:14:17.080 --> 1:14:19.599 Green Bay doesn't bode well. If I had to make 1:14:19.640 --> 1:14:22.160 a guess, I don't think that Trey will play tonight. 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:24.559 I hope I'm wrong, but it's good to have Schamar back. 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:27.680 I thought he looked awesome in Week one against Cleveland. 1:14:28.040 --> 1:14:30.040 Didn't play that much in the second game before he 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:33.240 suffered his injury, but he had a lot of wild 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:35.160 moments at training camp and it's going to be fun 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:36.400 to see him back out there against it. 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:38.200 Yeah, and get up to speed in that. You really 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:40.280 hope Trey Hendrickson would be back because the man, I'll 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:41.800 tell you what that all of a sudden, Now you 1:14:41.800 --> 1:14:43.479 got a little poppy all spark there, and we need 1:14:43.560 --> 1:14:44.000 that right now. 1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:49.120 Yeah, Trey has played extremely well. He's got four sacks, 1:14:49.520 --> 1:14:52.360 you know. I think he's actually played the run better 1:14:52.439 --> 1:14:54.640 this year than he's ever played it before, which has 1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:57.800 been cool to see. I think the new defensive line coach, 1:14:57.880 --> 1:15:01.960 Terry Montgomery, has really worked with Trey and convinced him that, 1:15:02.320 --> 1:15:04.160 you know, you can be one of the best all 1:15:04.240 --> 1:15:06.800 around defensive ends in the NFL, not just to get 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:08.680 a great pass rusher. And I think that trade has 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:10.720 been really good at defending the run. Yeah. 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:13.240 Dan Hord Voice of the Bengals Tonight. It is Thursday 1:15:13.280 --> 1:15:15.960 Night Football at pay Corps, and the lights of the 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:19.280 national media are here for us, and we're here for them. 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:21.880 Bengals get going eight to fifteen tonight home. The best 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:24.760 Bengals coverage are. We kick off our live coverage at 1:15:24.760 --> 1:15:27.280 the Banks at the three o'clock today, So if you're 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:28.720 coming down for the game, stop on, buy for a 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:32.360 cold one and some Bengals chat. So we got Shamar Stewart. 1:15:32.439 --> 1:15:32.479 That. 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:34.360 One of the other things and maybe it's too early 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:36.839 to talk about this is the rumors about Trey Hendrickson 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:40.240 possibly now going to San Francisco. It's that time of year. 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:42.879 We have the trade deadline coming up soon and players' 1:15:42.920 --> 1:15:45.240 names are often thrown around. I mean, does that make sense? 1:15:47.240 --> 1:15:50.360 Not yet? You know, we began this by talking about 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.599 how if they win tonight, the right back in the hunt, 1:15:53.320 --> 1:15:56.280 and certainly that's the goal. So if they get the 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:59.599 deadline and things, Yeah, if they get to the trade 1:15:59.600 --> 1:16:03.360 deadline and things have spiraled in a terrible direction, then 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:06.840 you can begin talking about it. But anything being tossed 1:16:06.880 --> 1:16:09.639 out there right now, it's certainly not coming from the Bengals. Yeah. 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:12.439 Yeah, the rumors go around, but again it's up to 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:14.519 the next couple of weeks to find out if this 1:16:14.600 --> 1:16:16.400 team can turn things around at least stop the bleed. 1:16:16.479 --> 1:16:20.280 Until you get Joe Burrow back. The secondary mentioned not 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.360 the biggest problem the worlds logan Wilson can Taylor Britt 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:25.840 continues to get on DA's hill, and DJ Turn, especially 1:16:26.200 --> 1:16:28.760 DJ Turn had a great week. They flashed as well. 1:16:29.800 --> 1:16:31.680 Aaron Rodgers gets out the ball. I think one of 1:16:31.720 --> 1:16:34.360 the quickest release times in the National Football League, if 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:36.639 I'm not mistaken, like well under two point five seconds. 1:16:38.520 --> 1:16:41.000 Talk about the deep threats there because they brought DK 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.320 Metcalf over from the Seahawks to address that, and he 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:45.720 has been the go to option in that pass game. 1:16:47.160 --> 1:16:49.800 He's been good. He's everything just under nineteen yards to 1:16:49.920 --> 1:16:52.439 catch and he's really the only guy so far that 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:55.400 Rogers has been throwing the ball down the field too. 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:58.559 Rogers has kind of been dinking and dunking this year. 1:16:58.600 --> 1:17:00.479 You talked about him getting the all out of his 1:17:00.560 --> 1:17:02.720 hands quickly, and that's one of the reasons why he 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:05.960 doesn't stretch the field like he once did. But he's 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:08.240 been very effective and they're not asking him to be 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:12.280 MVP era Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't throw it thirty times 1:17:12.320 --> 1:17:15.360 a game, but he's taking care of the ball. He's 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:18.559 only got three interceptions he's not taking sacks. He's only 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:20.560 been sacked nine times. They don't have a lot of 1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:25.280 negative plays on offense, so they're rarely in like third 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:27.920 and ten, third and twelve. They just kind of have 1:17:28.040 --> 1:17:31.160 been methodically moving down the field. Don't have a great 1:17:31.240 --> 1:17:34.879 running game, at least not yet. But Rogers has been effective. Im. 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:37.120 I'll give him credit because I didn't know how much 1:17:37.160 --> 1:17:39.479 he had left, and he's actually been playing pretty well. 1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:42.360 He really has. I mean, that's the thing is I 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:44.559 think maybe sticking it to the Jets. But the Jets 1:17:44.600 --> 1:17:47.080 are you know, they're a wastelander is what that team 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:49.320 has been for a long time. So to see him 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:50.840 come out and go, and I don't want to see 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:52.800 him do it for Pittsburgh, but I don't like the 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:56.240 Jets either. So I don't know what the horse I'm 1:17:56.280 --> 1:17:59.280 backing in this race. How does this defense stop that machine? 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:04.160 I think you got to try to get a few takeaways. 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:06.439 I think that's going to be a real key tonight. 1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:09.360 Can the Bengals be on the plus side in the 1:18:09.439 --> 1:18:14.160 turnover battle because Pittsburgh is four and one this year, 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:17.960 because they're plus seven in the takeaway ratio? I mentioned 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:20.559 they had five takeaways when they beat New England. That's 1:18:20.600 --> 1:18:24.720 what they're doing. They've been optimistic or opportunistic this year. 1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:27.920 They've been in close games, their defense gets a take 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.920 away in the fourth quarter, they pull it out. That's 1:18:30.960 --> 1:18:32.920 the type of game the Bengals need to play tonight. 1:18:33.000 --> 1:18:35.880 I don't think the Bengals have a defense that's going 1:18:35.960 --> 1:18:39.599 to hold any bent buddy to a tiny yardage total. 1:18:39.680 --> 1:18:42.000 That's just not who they are right now. But they 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:44.840 are capable of getting some takeaways. They got them in 1:18:44.880 --> 1:18:47.479 the first two games when they won. I think that's 1:18:47.479 --> 1:18:49.080 going to be a real key to the game tonight. Yeah. 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:50.680 I bring up with the importance of our the question 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:53.400 about our secondary, because they have the fourth fewest rushing 1:18:53.439 --> 1:18:55.920 yards per game and they don't rush, but they don't 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:58.479 run the ball. And yeah, Aaron Rodgers is going to 1:18:58.560 --> 1:19:00.599 dink and dunk you the other side of the ball 1:19:00.600 --> 1:19:03.120 of Steelers defense. As sure as the sun rises these 1:19:03.120 --> 1:19:04.599 sets on the West end, you know, the Steelers are 1:19:04.600 --> 1:19:06.080 going to have a pretty good defense year to year. 1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:10.240 Yeah, and I think it's better than pretty good. This year. 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:13.759 They've gone back to being of Blitzburg. So we remember 1:19:13.840 --> 1:19:16.960 those days. Dick Leboe as the defensive coordinator and five 1:19:17.040 --> 1:19:19.479 and six guys coming after you on every passing attempt. 1:19:19.880 --> 1:19:22.160 They had gotten away from that a little bit over 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:24.360 the last couple of years, but they're back to doing that. 1:19:25.040 --> 1:19:26.920 So far this year, they're third in the league in 1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:31.160 blitz percentage. They've got six guys that have multiple sacks, 1:19:31.880 --> 1:19:34.840 led by Nick Herbig, who technically isn't even a starter. 1:19:35.280 --> 1:19:37.280 He's got four and a half sacks. He plays a lot, 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:42.559 but he's technically not listed as a starter. He's thirty six. 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:46.080 He's still good. TJ. Watt is still there. He's thirty one. 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:49.360 He's still good. The guy that I was hoping that 1:19:49.439 --> 1:19:51.360 the Bengals are going to take in the first round 1:19:51.439 --> 1:19:55.040 this year, Derek Harmon having an excellent rookie year. I'm 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:57.680 happy the Bengals wound up with Tamar Stewart because I 1:19:57.760 --> 1:19:59.680 think he's going to be great. But I really like 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.360 Derek Harmon going into the draft, and I think the 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:04.759 Steelers added another scud to their defense. 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:07.160 All right, Well, get out there, score some points early. 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:10.759 Maybe an important coin toss for the Bengals, quite honestly, 1:20:10.760 --> 1:20:12.800 because if you get that first drive and get some points, 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:15.200 you get some momentum going. That's something the Bengals have 1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:17.559 locked for the last four games for sure. So tonight 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:19.360 Dan and Lamp with a call here on the Home 1:20:19.400 --> 1:20:22.080 of the Best Bengals covered seven hundred WLW eight fifteen, 1:20:22.160 --> 1:20:24.840 Thursday Night Football. Let's get some who Let's get some 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:26.680 Hooday magic. Get out the schneid here. Four game we 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:29.120 cannot make it all five game losing streak. Nonetheless, Dan 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:31.200 Horde all the best, Buddy, Thanks for checking in this morning. 1:20:31.280 --> 1:20:34.080 Have a great game, Thanks Lenny. Thursday Night Football eight 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:37.120 to fifteen, we got the pregame show starting at three o'clock. 1:20:37.160 --> 1:20:40.080 Holy girled Banks, the boys are down there and we've 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:43.280 got football and Cincinnati in a Thursday Night seven hundred WLW. 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:47.559 The buying and selling of homes isn't for the timid 1:20:47.880 --> 1:20:48.320 or meek. 1:20:48.840 --> 1:20:52.479 The real estate world can be a vicious jungle, playing 1:20:52.640 --> 1:20:56.880 with dangers and pitfall boss. Thank god we've got Remax 1:20:56.960 --> 1:21:01.920 time agent Michelle Sloan, the fearless Real Tour of Sloan, 1:21:02.040 --> 1:21:05.960 sellshomes dot Com, and the Queen of the real estate Chungle. 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:11.560 It's real estate Time, which Michelle Sloane on seven hundred WLWI. 1:21:12.200 --> 1:21:14.559 All right, my wife is in on this beautiful Thursday 1:21:14.600 --> 1:21:18.679 morning talking. What are we talking about? Talking about real estates, 1:21:19.200 --> 1:21:21.679 talking about the fact that I've decided I'm a pretty 1:21:21.720 --> 1:21:24.360 damn good husband. Here's me limping around on crutches and 1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:28.880 I had the knee scooter for hopefully another week. Knock wood. 1:21:29.200 --> 1:21:31.600 I'm like, you know what, I can get buy in 1:21:31.680 --> 1:21:34.880 crutches because I don't want my beautiful wife to have 1:21:35.040 --> 1:21:36.920 to get up early in the morning and drive me 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:38.840 to work like you have been for the past two weeks. 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:41.720 That poor woman has sacrificed so much with me being 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:43.320 on the d L, So thank you for that. 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:50.439 You're welcome. I'm not sure is that. No, that was 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:52.639 the most backhanded compliment ever. 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:55.160 No, I would say. Somebody said, well, what happened to 1:21:55.160 --> 1:21:56.800 your scooter? I said, yeah, my wife's been getting for 1:21:56.800 --> 1:21:59.439 the last two weeks, and it's like, I wouldn't want 1:21:59.439 --> 1:22:01.280 to do that. So I thought, you know, I can 1:22:01.360 --> 1:22:03.280 get around on crutches if the doctors that I can, 1:22:03.479 --> 1:22:05.320 you can drive if you don't have the medicine. And 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:07.639 I thought, you know, for the next week or soever 1:22:07.720 --> 1:22:09.840 long it takes, I can hobble around. It and yeah, 1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:13.760 that's uncomfortable, but that's fine. So thanks for driving me 1:22:13.840 --> 1:22:14.639 for the last two weeks. 1:22:15.320 --> 1:22:18.720 Oh you're welcome, dear. You know it's you. 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:21.120 You'll be carting me around soon. 1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:22.400 Isn't that? 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:24.439 The thing is, like, you know, as you get older, 1:22:24.479 --> 1:22:26.120 it's all the stuff that you did when you were 1:22:26.160 --> 1:22:29.000 younger that bill comes due, or maybe what you didn't 1:22:29.040 --> 1:22:30.519 do when you were younger you should have done. But 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:34.439 you know, hey, play sports, exercise, try to be relatively fit, 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:35.840 which I don't think you're the one of us fit 1:22:35.880 --> 1:22:40.120 in that category. But and now all the osteo stuff 1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:42.640 comes home and go, oh, you got to get this 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:45.280 fix and that fix, because why well do you exercise 1:22:45.439 --> 1:22:47.600 like well, you told me I was doing that to 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:50.920 get a better quality of life. Yeah that's not true. 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:55.240 What a bunch of crap. Everything exists to sell us something. 1:22:55.400 --> 1:22:59.280 I don't know what to do. Let's talk about real 1:22:59.400 --> 1:23:01.519 estate related stuff. I know the tariffs are hitting home. 1:23:01.560 --> 1:23:02.720 You want to talk about that this morning? 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:05.840 Yeah, let's start with that, because I mean there's a 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:08.400 lot going on, or there's a little going on in 1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:12.479 the real estate world, depending on what you are, what 1:23:12.760 --> 1:23:15.680 what where you are. I guess but there were new 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:22.040 tariffs this week that took effect so on imported lumber 1:23:22.240 --> 1:23:27.720 and wooden fixtures took effect on Tuesday, which includes a 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:31.000 ten percent tariff on oll timber and lumber products and 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:34.040 a higher twenty five percent And this is this one 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:37.040 may really hit home for a lot of people, twenty 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:42.040 five percent on cabinets and furniture. So you know, you're 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:46.000 seeing the increase. You're going to see the increase of 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:51.040 pretty much everything that you need in your home is 1:23:51.640 --> 1:23:54.360 the prices are going to go up. And then January first, 1:23:55.160 --> 1:24:00.719 wooden furniture is rising to thirty percent tariffs and kitchen 1:24:00.880 --> 1:24:06.519 cabinets fifty percent. Kitchen cabinets and vanities. And people don't 1:24:06.640 --> 1:24:12.640 realize that cabinets are a really significant number, like the 1:24:12.760 --> 1:24:14.799 big number in home buildings. 1:24:14.920 --> 1:24:19.080 Cabin try is very, very expensive. It's all because there's 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:21.760 a lot of labor involved in making a cabinet. You know, 1:24:22.080 --> 1:24:24.360 there are some kinds that you can you can save money. 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:26.240 There's some that you can kind of assemble yourself that 1:24:26.280 --> 1:24:27.720 are actually quite good. I'll be honest with I have 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:30.880 installed and number of rentals, but as a matter of fact, 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:34.160 some of those types of cabinets in our laundry room 1:24:34.200 --> 1:24:37.040 at our new house, and you know they're they're fantastic. 1:24:37.080 --> 1:24:38.800 If they work, they're warranted to the whole bit. Now, 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:42.519 when you get to the hardwoods and veneer woods and 1:24:42.640 --> 1:24:45.920 custom cabinets, that can be exorbitant because there's a lot 1:24:45.960 --> 1:24:48.759 of labor, and now you add the cost of important materials, 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:50.559 and so that's. 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:54.880 Right, we have the costs cabinets and countertops account for 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:58.960 about twenty thousand dollars on average for a new build, 1:24:59.400 --> 1:25:02.639 so about five percent is wrapped up in your cabinets 1:25:02.680 --> 1:25:06.720 and countertops. That's why most people will keep their cabinets, 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:11.479 especially in their kitchens, until they're literally falling off the hinches. 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:14.040 You know they're going to be repainted, they're going to 1:25:14.080 --> 1:25:16.800 be you're going to just try to find anyway not 1:25:17.000 --> 1:25:21.479 to replace those cabinets, because when you get into replacing cabinets, 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:26.280 when you're doing at home renovations, you're looking at tens 1:25:26.320 --> 1:25:30.000 of thousands of dollars, right, You're looking at ten or 1:25:30.040 --> 1:25:33.519 twenty thousand dollars for new cabinets, and you're like, oh, 1:25:33.680 --> 1:25:35.640 is there any way I can get away with the 1:25:35.760 --> 1:25:38.960 ones that I've got? And you know, like I said, 1:25:39.200 --> 1:25:42.479 we've seen some cabinets that have been around fifty years 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:46.680 or more because people just don't want to even the 1:25:46.760 --> 1:25:50.080 cabinets in our new house, our old cabinets that were 1:25:50.160 --> 1:25:55.520 refurbished and were painted. And so the business of repainting 1:25:55.720 --> 1:26:00.840 cabinets has really increased over the years. It's become common, 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:05.479 it's commonplace. The quality is so much better when you're 1:26:05.520 --> 1:26:08.680 repainting cabinet. People will ask me, you know, I've got this. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.759 Maybe it's maple, maybe it's a different type of the woods, 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:15.840 but I'm tired of this wood color. You know, I 1:26:15.920 --> 1:26:19.559 don't want to the dark cherry color that's been out 1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:23.120 for a while. Can I paint my cabinet? The answer 1:26:23.280 --> 1:26:27.719 is absolutely yes, and there are some really good companies 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:31.040 and individuals out there who will do it well. Because 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:33.040 if you don't do it well and you don't take it, 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:36.400 if you try to just paint on your cabinet just 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:39.920 willy nilly like you, we're going to. 1:26:40.240 --> 1:26:42.320 But people will pay big money for hand paint and 1:26:42.400 --> 1:26:44.960 custom cabinet. So it's what's the difference. And I'd say, 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:47.320 if you're fine with some brushstrokes in that and maybe 1:26:47.360 --> 1:26:48.840 some perfect you can definitely there's a lot of good 1:26:48.920 --> 1:26:50.840 kits in the technology in the last ten years. Agot 1:26:50.880 --> 1:26:54.040 in phenomenal relative to cabinet paint, and you know, blending 1:26:54.040 --> 1:26:57.000 those lines make it look like it's sprayed. If if 1:26:57.120 --> 1:26:58.880 that's not for you, you're not handy, don't want to 1:26:58.920 --> 1:27:00.160 do that, or maybe a little bit money, but you 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:02.040 want to do new cabinets, you can have a professional 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:04.800 painter come in. They'll take the cabinet doors off, take 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:07.240 them and spray them and then probably handpaint the trim. 1:27:07.320 --> 1:27:09.360 It'll look really, really good. You can go that route 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.320 much cheaper. There's companies that come and reface cabinets and 1:27:12.320 --> 1:27:13.800 put them in the ear on top of the old 1:27:13.840 --> 1:27:15.760 one and you really won't notice. There's a little bit 1:27:15.800 --> 1:27:17.640 you can tell when the doors are open. It's a 1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:20.120 little bit different. But I mean really for the cost 1:27:20.200 --> 1:27:22.880 savings is it's night and day and they can do 1:27:22.960 --> 1:27:26.280 that in a day or two. Yeah, there's all sorts 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:28.400 of different options you can. And the other thing too 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:30.400 is if you have old cabinets, I think you just 1:27:30.479 --> 1:27:31.879 have to look at them or I have a professional 1:27:31.880 --> 1:27:34.559 look and go all right, how good is the carcass, 1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:36.800 which is the box itself. I mean, you think about it. 1:27:36.920 --> 1:27:38.960 A cabinet is just a box that sits on the floor, 1:27:39.200 --> 1:27:41.760 it hangs on the wall, It doesn't go anywhere. The 1:27:41.880 --> 1:27:43.960 hinges may wear out, the doors may wear out, but 1:27:44.000 --> 1:27:46.439 those things are replaceable. I would say, if the bones, 1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:49.840 if the cabinet and the carcass are good, and you're 1:27:49.840 --> 1:27:52.680 looking at a cost of brand new cabinets, you may 1:27:52.760 --> 1:27:55.280 want to rethink that whole process because you want to 1:27:55.320 --> 1:27:58.000 lean more towards what we're talking about here. 1:27:58.080 --> 1:27:58.240 Now. 1:27:58.400 --> 1:27:59.720 You know, if you have the money and you want 1:27:59.720 --> 1:28:03.160 to do cabinets, absolutely knock yourself out. But for sure, 1:28:03.160 --> 1:28:05.280 there's all sorts of ways to go about saving the 1:28:05.320 --> 1:28:08.320 ones you have because the older they are generally, I mean, 1:28:08.400 --> 1:28:10.439 unless they're you know, particle board or something like that, 1:28:10.560 --> 1:28:12.640 which you do see and you see, let's face, a 1:28:12.760 --> 1:28:15.599 cabinet that's fifty years now, thirty to fifty years old, 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:18.320 you may you're probably going to have to replace that. 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:20.320 But yeah, if you have something that's a hardwood and 1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:22.160 old wood or something like that, my god, yeah, those 1:28:22.200 --> 1:28:24.559 things will last. You know, get new doors to hardware 1:28:25.400 --> 1:28:25.880 right as a. 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:29.240 Particle board if that was used, just like anything, if 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:32.680 you're putting glasses, you know, out of the dishwasher that 1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:34.680 they're still a little bit wet, and you're putting them 1:28:34.720 --> 1:28:38.680 in your cabinets, that surface is going to wear a 1:28:38.840 --> 1:28:42.439 lot quicker. And you can always put different kinds of 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:48.760 shelving materials and cover that up and get get a 1:28:48.800 --> 1:28:51.799 few more years out of it. But if you're planning 1:28:51.880 --> 1:28:54.759 to build a home anytime in the next twelve months, 1:28:55.040 --> 1:28:57.840 just expect that builders are going to be passing on 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:03.240 the cost of tariff to you. And we're looking at 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:08.120 anywhere between the estimates are going to be about fourteen 1:29:08.200 --> 1:29:13.599 percent higher, potentially about ten thousand dollars on the average home. 1:29:14.160 --> 1:29:19.000 You're going to see increases. So it's definitely going to 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:23.479 cost and the whole I guess the reason why the 1:29:23.600 --> 1:29:29.000 tariff starts trying to get more and more American would 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:31.760 putting being put back into the timber right to be 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:35.280 put back into the system. And that's going to take 1:29:35.360 --> 1:29:37.880 some time. Like that's not something you can't take those 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:40.360 sawmills and just crank them up. 1:29:40.520 --> 1:29:42.920 I just crank it out. Yeah, it's and you got 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:45.639 to grow a tree. So seventy percent of the lumber 1:29:45.720 --> 1:29:48.080 we use some talking about softwood lumber, because hardwoods can 1:29:48.160 --> 1:29:50.599 be exotic and come from different countries, but soft on one, 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:54.519 let's talk about tine right, softwood lumber, It's seventy percent 1:29:54.520 --> 1:29:57.120 of it comes from Canada, and as does supply wood. 1:29:57.760 --> 1:30:01.120 So even drywall. I was in the price of drywall, 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:03.400 I was looking at drywall fixing something. I'm like, my god, 1:30:03.400 --> 1:30:05.400 if she had a drywall, now was what she'd apply 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.760 withou she plywood used to be not long ago, same things. 1:30:08.960 --> 1:30:11.519 You know, seventy percent of the gypsum comes from Mexico, 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:15.280 so you know, we have the duties on all this stuff. 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:16.880 It's just driving the cost up. And then you add 1:30:16.920 --> 1:30:19.800 in steel and aluminum and plastic pipe and copper, and 1:30:20.160 --> 1:30:22.800 now appliances of course too, are are deeply affected by 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:24.960 this as well, because we import about eighty percent of 1:30:24.960 --> 1:30:27.920 our aluminum and almost twenty percent of our steel, So 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:30.080 all the stuff is going up. You just I'm waiting 1:30:30.120 --> 1:30:31.880 for the jobs to come at this point, Okay, we're 1:30:31.920 --> 1:30:34.080 getting We're getting killed right now when it comes to 1:30:35.120 --> 1:30:37.559 building supplies and housing and everything out everything that we buy. 1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:40.840 And I'm waiting for the jobs to be created and 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:42.800 get these prices backing at least some sort of trade 1:30:42.840 --> 1:30:45.120 balance to go in effect, but we're not seeing. 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:49.920 That yet well, and we did experience some supply chain 1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:53.799 issues back in twenty twenty when we had the pandemic. 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:57.439 We're likely to see a little bit of that supply 1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:02.640 chain disruption as well because of the tariffs. So there 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:07.720 may be some shortages in some areas, some increases. It 1:31:07.880 --> 1:31:10.920 just may take some time, so those costs are going 1:31:11.000 --> 1:31:14.360 to be handed over to consumers. You may see delays 1:31:15.160 --> 1:31:19.600 and the long term implication certainly it could take a 1:31:19.680 --> 1:31:22.760 couple of years to sort of straighten itself out, and 1:31:23.400 --> 1:31:25.800 maybe we'll be better off in the long run. Again, 1:31:25.960 --> 1:31:28.479 we'll have to wait and see. We'll have to wait 1:31:28.560 --> 1:31:28.960 and see. 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:31.439 I don't know, but it squeezed a lot of people. 1:31:31.520 --> 1:31:34.040 I think. Is that also ending the fact that we're 1:31:34.080 --> 1:31:36.360 seeing a stagnant real estate market right now. 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:40.920 The real estate market right now is definitely trending down 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:45.200 a little bit for sure. The average days on market 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:49.000 in the Cincinnati area are around forty five days on market. 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:51.720 So when you lift a home, and this is the 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:56.879 frustration that I have because most consumers maybe don't realize, 1:31:56.960 --> 1:31:59.240 oh they you know, they keep telling me, Oh, the 1:31:59.320 --> 1:32:02.960 market's the market's greatre You're gonna sell your house in 1:32:03.040 --> 1:32:06.080 a day. Yeah, it's not going to happen in a 1:32:06.200 --> 1:32:09.160 day most likely now, And you have to put on 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:13.080 a lot of patients. So even I had a new 1:32:13.200 --> 1:32:16.600 listing go on with one of my agents yesterday and 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:19.720 by the end of the day she's like, uh, we 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:22.680 don't have any showings scheduled yet. I'm like, yeah, and 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:27.000 you may not for a few days because byers buyers 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:30.680 are really taking their time. A lot of them have 1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:33.840 hunkered down, i think for the rest of this year 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:36.680 and they're not going to make a change, and so 1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:40.400 there are fewer buyers out there looking they are. If 1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:42.960 you are looking, and you are a buyer, you probably 1:32:43.040 --> 1:32:46.240 have very very specific needs. You may want a ranch 1:32:46.360 --> 1:32:50.080 in a certain price range and maybe that doesn't exist 1:32:51.040 --> 1:32:53.479 or it doesn't exist, and that might that type of 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:59.160 a property myself very very quickly. But overall, a lot 1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:03.120 of just really really nice homes are on the market 1:33:03.200 --> 1:33:05.559 right now, and they have been for forty five days 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:09.439 or more, and sellers are getting a little nervous, and 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:12.160 so we're seeing a lot of uncertainty in the real 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:17.080 estate market. And with that uncertainty, you know, becomes opportunities 1:33:17.200 --> 1:33:20.639 for buyers. So I tell buyers, right now, the mortgage 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:24.200 interest rates around six point three five or something like that, 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:27.759 depending on your credit, so it's less than seven percent, 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:32.200 and there are opportunities out there. Don't be afraid to 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:34.080 look at a home that's been on the market for 1:33:34.200 --> 1:33:37.360 a long time. There's nothing wrong with it. You know 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:39.559 it used to be in the day. Well, that house 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:41.400 has been on the market for three weeks because there 1:33:41.479 --> 1:33:44.000 must be something wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:47.120 that house. It's perfectly great. It just may not have 1:33:47.240 --> 1:33:51.240 had the right buyer walk through. And I very much 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:54.320 encourage people if you are a buyer and you are 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:58.120 looking sort of broaden maybe what you're looking for and 1:33:58.200 --> 1:33:59.640 take a look at a few of the houses that 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:01.960 have been on the market for a minute, because those 1:34:02.040 --> 1:34:05.400 sellers are going to be more willing to negotiate. And 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:09.240 that's something that you may now you're not gonna Let's 1:34:09.320 --> 1:34:11.360 not go back to those days, because I've been in 1:34:11.439 --> 1:34:14.240 this business, as you know, for twenty years. Let's not 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:18.639 go back to the days when we're putting in offers 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:21.639 that are thirty thousand dollars less from less price. 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:23.880 That's just that's not going to happen. 1:34:23.960 --> 1:34:27.160 Pits and going to make people really mad, and don't 1:34:27.400 --> 1:34:28.040 just don't. 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:31.320 Do that, Please don't do it out there. But everyone 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:34.000 wants a deal in a bargain. And how that happened 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:36.400 when we sold our house. Unfortunately we you know, did 1:34:36.439 --> 1:34:38.479 it right now at the right time. I got you know, 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:40.679 you made me think speaking of our old house, same 1:34:40.760 --> 1:34:42.639 thing as people. You know, you've also got to take 1:34:42.640 --> 1:34:44.920 a step back and go, okay, is there something wrong 1:34:44.960 --> 1:34:46.760 with this house or isn't an opportunity here? 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:48.080 And on that. 1:34:48.280 --> 1:34:49.960 When we bought our first of the house, when we 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:52.880 moved here and I got twenty something years ago, it 1:34:53.040 --> 1:34:55.760 was backing up to a field where they were doing 1:34:55.840 --> 1:34:58.280 site work on and it was going to be a 1:34:59.040 --> 1:35:01.040 I think light and dust basically is what they were 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:04.320 calling this. And they had people coming through the house 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:05.920 and no one would touch it because they're afraid this 1:35:06.000 --> 1:35:08.080 big factory was going to go in the backyard. I'm like, well, 1:35:08.080 --> 1:35:10.920 first of all, you know it's Mason, how much of 1:35:11.000 --> 1:35:12.559 a factory going to put in there? And then secondly, 1:35:12.840 --> 1:35:16.160 looking at the the guy had the architectural plans out 1:35:16.200 --> 1:35:17.720 there and you know, looking at what it was going 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:21.200 to be and what the restrictions were, and also landscaping 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:22.720 can kind of go a long way too. So we 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:24.960 looked at it and said, you know what, I think 1:35:25.120 --> 1:35:28.559 this is the fact that people see bulldozers and freak out. 1:35:29.439 --> 1:35:31.280 You know, you're going to be looking through someone's back 1:35:31.320 --> 1:35:34.000 window in the suburbs, or in this case, it was 1:35:34.120 --> 1:35:36.200 likely and you know, there were restrictions in place when 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:38.400 they could do deliveries, and we're looking at it, going, okay, 1:35:38.520 --> 1:35:40.679 this is we can do some landscaping in the backyard. 1:35:40.760 --> 1:35:43.519 And you know, it turns out it was probably one 1:35:43.520 --> 1:35:45.559 of the best investments who ever made, not only because 1:35:45.600 --> 1:35:47.519 we raised our kids there, but then we turned around 1:35:47.560 --> 1:35:48.880 and sold and the people loved it because it's like, 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:51.080 oh my gosh, it's so nice in private back here. Well, yeah, 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:53.280 because you know you saw that coming and you know 1:35:53.360 --> 1:35:55.680 we're lucky to get that opportunity. But also, I think 1:35:55.760 --> 1:35:57.599 when you're doing this, you can't you can't. Well there's 1:35:57.600 --> 1:35:59.720 a reason why. So though you know it's been on 1:35:59.760 --> 1:36:02.000 the market for two months or whatever, well why is that? 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.320 You know, find out why, and then actually think about hey, 1:36:05.439 --> 1:36:07.320 can I work around this, because then you can find 1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:07.719 a bargain. 1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:10.720 Is it really going to affect the way that you 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:15.760 live your life? And you know, we really we love 1:36:15.840 --> 1:36:20.519 the fact that we didn't have neighbors looking in our 1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:23.800 windows in the backyard. We had the privacy for the 1:36:23.920 --> 1:36:27.680 most part. But you know that that's something that you 1:36:27.800 --> 1:36:30.360 can also create once you buy a home like that 1:36:30.560 --> 1:36:34.360 and you have the understanding. Some people just they don't 1:36:34.439 --> 1:36:39.439 want to take on what they consider the risk, and 1:36:39.640 --> 1:36:43.280 there's always ways around it. Like you said, there's landscaping 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:46.879 and the trees that you can buy that will provide 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:51.240 screens and it won't completely If you're backed up to 1:36:51.400 --> 1:36:55.360 a road, that's not always going to be the best location. 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:59.360 But then again maybe not, maybe it is. 1:37:00.080 --> 1:37:00.800 It's going to be good. 1:37:00.840 --> 1:37:02.439 Bottom line is you know, just take a pause and 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:04.840 just because everyone else is doing it, just stop and 1:37:04.920 --> 1:37:06.680 think and you know, think about the problem for a 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:09.280 minute and maybe there's an opportunity to there for anyway. 1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:12.360 My wife, Michelle Sloane Sloan sales homes dot com, openhouse 1:37:12.360 --> 1:37:15.519 show via the iHeartRadio app and podcasts of course on 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:18.280 YouTube as well, and she's in Main Villa remax time. 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:21.320 All right, Levey, thanks again. I gotta goat, gotta go. 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:23.160 Willie is on the way. We are on the Terry 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:26.840 Thigi Chief Terry Thigi career deathwatch right now, and she's 1:37:26.880 --> 1:37:29.720 going to fall on the sword for the incompetent administration 1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:31.760 of the City of Cincinnati haws crime to run ramp 1:37:31.800 --> 1:37:33.720 and then blames the chief and has to do with 1:37:33.760 --> 1:37:36.000 the stupid policies, I think, But nonetheless we'll keep an 1:37:36.040 --> 1:37:37.719 eye out for that. And of course we've got Thursday 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:41.160 night football tonight, Bengals and Steelers tonight, and it all 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:43.360 kicks off three o'clock, by the way, live broadcast down 1:37:43.400 --> 1:37:46.000 at the at the Gril. Get on down there with 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:48.439 the boys. Scott Sloan Show, Home of the Best Bengals 1:37:48.479 --> 1:37:50.240 covered seven hundred W O D Cincinnati,