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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American Cloni seven?

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Speaker 2: Under high profile and violent crimes lead the news. So well, why, well,

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Speaker 2: ere's neglect underfunding police law enforcement, generally ignoring the problem

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Speaker 2: while focusing more on programs and promises. And if you

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Speaker 2: promise not to go and kill someone, we will let

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Speaker 2: you out of jail. Here's you had a gun, you're

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Speaker 2: doing violent, Just go ahead, but you're gonna come back.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna get a job, right, report to your probation officer.

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Speaker 2: Sure you are.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: As such, the mayor is feeling the heat and with

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Speaker 2: the election coming up, of course, now we're on the

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Speaker 2: death watch for the career of police Chief Terry Thiji.

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Speaker 2: The question though, is how much is this on her?

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Speaker 2: As she has now been summoned back from Denver to conference.

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Speaker 2: Dan Hill is a former FOP long time if we've

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Speaker 2: p president, now in private practice with Front Light Advisors.

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Speaker 2: He's a law enforcement consultant. Dan, welcome, How are.

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Speaker 3: You, Ahlony? I'm doing great?

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Speaker 2: Always, yeah, thank you. So she's in Denver for a

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Speaker 2: conference and a city managers share along to return immediately

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Speaker 2: to addressed departmental matters. When I hear that, okay, so

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Speaker 2: what has happened in the last forty eight to seventy

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Speaker 2: two hours. That would warrant her being plucked from a

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Speaker 2: conference in Denver to fly back to Cincinnati because there's

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Speaker 2: some huge departmental matter what's going on. Of course someone's

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Speaker 2: going to go, well, she's probably getting fired. What you know.

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's start with that. Why would you

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Speaker 2: do that now instead of like right after the city

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Speaker 2: birds shooting or any of this other stuff. You're going

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Speaker 2: to sacrifice her, which we'll get into a second. Why

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Speaker 2: are in the middle, Okay, we need to do this right,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to pull you out of a conference

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Speaker 2: and bring you back and fire you. Well, why is

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Speaker 2: that happening right now?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the easy answer is to the election.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is far too political in some ways,

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Speaker 3: and that's the problem that the office of police chief

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Speaker 3: has become political. So we'd have to almost go way

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Speaker 3: back in the rewind to issue five, where they changed

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Speaker 3: the way that the police chief answers the city hall,

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Speaker 3: the way he's selected for he or she is selected.

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Speaker 2: Talking about that, explain Issue five when that was in

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Speaker 2: the in the history of that Because I know that

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Speaker 2: I'm throwing around for a while I mean as best

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Speaker 2: we can, but how long ago that was and what

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Speaker 2: that means and how that led us to now?

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Speaker 3: Boy I was I was Tom Shreker was the last

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Speaker 3: chief that was selected in the old way. So we're

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Speaker 3: talking about sometime in the nineties. I guess kind of

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Speaker 3: kind of hard for me to pick out dates now

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Speaker 3: at my age, But it used to be, well, while

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Speaker 3: the manager still selected the police chief, the police chief

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Speaker 3: came from within the agency, and uh, then you had

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Speaker 3: to have cause, and that's a that's a big legal

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Speaker 3: term to fire somebody. So you know, if if if

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Speaker 3: if the police chiefs gotten some sort of criminal behavior

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Speaker 3: be fired. But you can't just go. You know, politics

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Speaker 3: is getting a little rough for me, Like if I

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Speaker 3: very very political. And and this comes to my belief

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Speaker 3: I think that that Terry Figi is not the problem.

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Speaker 3: She's a symptom of the problem. I think she was

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Speaker 3: we're talking about what's going on at city hall, and

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Speaker 3: and got her jobs on Frivier the other day. And

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Speaker 3: I could tell you care you care about how much,

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Speaker 3: make any sense. Right. So, if I'm a perspective police chief,

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean I heard through the same cops that

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Speaker 2: Ohio law. I'm like, why am I having a consultant

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Speaker 2: one hundred one thousand dollars year qute unquote consultant tell

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Speaker 2: her duties. I mean, if you want to advise the

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Speaker 2: community matters, and like, you know, everyone deserves a seat

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Speaker 2: at the table. It's it's you know, it's a public enterprise. Sure,

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Speaker 2: but it seems like iris Reli has way too much

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Speaker 2: the problem if I'm looking at that as a job going.

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Speaker 2: If I'm here and that I'm like, hell no, i

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Speaker 3: Any power, of course not. And that's the thing is

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Speaker 3: what is what is her position is that it's something

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Speaker 3: that I had to deal with the clavorative, which is

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Speaker 3: pages and pages of pages are saying that we're going

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Speaker 3: to communicate better and we're going to be transparent. Okay,

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Speaker 3: those two words. We're going to be more transparent and

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Speaker 3: communicate and communicate better with me. That's it, that's all,

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Speaker 3: That's all it is. And then they're paying this lady

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Speaker 3: She doesn't communicate better. On my eyes, she's not helping

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Speaker 3: why they go around at a peether her and let

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Speaker 3: her hire her son and all that stuff. But I'll

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Speaker 3: also bring up the c C eight to Sistan complain authority.

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Speaker 3: They do nothing but handicap the cops with ridiculous complaints,

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Speaker 3: throw millions at that, all the investigators and everything they have.

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Speaker 3: And I use the word and saying too much, but

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Speaker 3: imagine the insanity of you're fighting the Germans, right it's

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's we're trying to fight crime. And then

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Speaker 3: and the crisis is phony. Not to not to get

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Speaker 3: too big picture, but it's it's it's it's spiritual, it's cultural,

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Speaker 3: it's all sorts of things that lead to all this

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Speaker 3: And look, the problems at the state level, we don't

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Speaker 3: have enough prisons. The problems huge at the county level

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Speaker 3: because we have a bunch of judges that are just

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Speaker 2: And Dan hits there unaccountable. Is the problem is you know,

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Speaker 2: we know that the Tim Holloway and the Police Chiefs

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Speaker 2: and they're trying to have these summits where they're getting

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Speaker 2: And here's a order that judges can't show up to

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Speaker 2: So it seems like a huge conflict and they're just

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Speaker 2: And you know, again, how many times have we had

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Speaker 2: sadly we'll probably have another one, hopefully not tonight on

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Speaker 2: Thursday night football, Dan Hills. Can you imagine? Yeah, here's

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you that this guy's got a jacket, he's

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Speaker 3: He has a.

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Speaker 2: History, and he is prohibited because he has a prior

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Speaker 2: as the convict of having a convicted record, rather felony

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Speaker 2: the problem, right is I had a lawmaker and yesterday

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard a lot of council

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Speaker 2: person was talking about how we need to get tougher

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Speaker 2: gun laws. They said, the problem, that's not the problem.

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Speaker 2: The problem is you got guys out there running around

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Speaker 2: seriously enough, and that just encourages more of that behavior.

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Speaker 3: Bunny, we have the gun wall. I heard you saying

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Speaker 3: that I heard the rant, you know, and he might

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Speaker 3: have stole from my many years yiff of be president

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Speaker 3: because I was saying it over and over again. We

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Speaker 3: have weapons under disability. If we truly enforce the weapons

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Speaker 3: under disability are are violence as far as shootings and

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Speaker 3: stuff with plummet There's just no doubt about it. Every

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Speaker 3: that has the convictions that shouldn't be allowed to carry

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with Terry or without Terry, I'm going to put

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at it, since that issue five passed

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Speaker 3: Craig was not a woke lefty. He came in here

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Speaker 2: So we got Blackwell, who was you know, a hostile

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Speaker 3: It's their woke idea of doing things. It's they're lying

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Speaker 2: It's a done deal.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've got Dan hard I'm sorry. I apologize. I

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's got Dan Hills, Dan Horde. All right, well, Danny,

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Speaker 2: all the best Dan Hills with Frontline Advisors. Thanks again, brother,

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Speaker 2: chief and make it look like it's her fault, when

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Speaker 2: in fact, I don't know. I don't think the voters

433
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 2: are that stupid. I think that you realize it's the

434
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 2: administration and this is much like firing lu An Arumo

435
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,680
Speaker 2: after the Bengals had dismal seasons and starts and we

436
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 2: got to do something, and so we fire the coordinator

437
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 2: who goes by the way, goes to Indianapolis, and they

438
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 2: look like a playoff team. I meanwhile, the Bengals are languishing.

439
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,119
Speaker 2: We'll find out tonight if they can turn that around.

440
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,240
Speaker 2: But I think it's a I think it's a fair comparison.

441
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,959
Speaker 2: And I know a lot is made about community activist

442
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: Irish Roller. You know, she's making over one hundred thousand

443
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 2: dollars a year as a consultant. I've heard worries about

444
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 2: her sitting in with police officers or coming to town

445
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 2: troopers who are here from the state of Ohio and

446
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,199
Speaker 2: others and dictating the terms of how they will interact

447
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: with people. We see with law enforcement officers. Now, all

448
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: law enforcement officers are trained by they got to be

449
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: a pot of certified. There's certain law officers go through

450
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 2: strict training. There's Ohio Revised codeal and there's a lot

451
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: of things they learned. I don't know. Sitting and listen

452
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: to some of the community tell them how they're going

453
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 2: to handle their interaction with a subject or a suspect.

454
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 2: I look at that and go, not quite sure. That's

455
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Speaker 2: something you just couldn't print on a piece of paper

456
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 2: and handle them. But to be lectured by Iris Rowley

457
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 2: if you're a cop, I don't think that's going to

458
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 2: sit well with most rank and file members of law enforcement,

459
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,400
Speaker 2: regardless if they're CPDU officers, SWAT officers, or highway patrol officers.

460
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 2: But nonetheless that those are the terms in which we

461
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 2: have engaged here politically in Hamlin County. I think it's

462
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 2: fair for me because I think I'm the only voice

463
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: on this station that is criticized. I think rightly so

464
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: the problems with a Republican controlled legislation in Columbus, and

465
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 2: I often catch arrows as a result of that, some

466
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 2: sort of closet liberal or something. Now I'm just tired

467
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: of bs. I'm tired of people lying to me. I

468
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: don't care what if you're blue or red, or black,

469
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 2: or white or male or female. Quit lying to me.

470
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: Quit tell me this is delicious, when in turn it's poison.

471
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 2: And I think it's fair then to turn around that

472
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 2: criticism towards Hamlin County in the city of Cincinnati and

473
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: say enough, damn it, it just doesn't work. I had

474
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: my friend Anna all Beyond, and we disagreed about what

475
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: needs to be done with these issues. She brought up

476
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 2: that we need more gun laws. If we just had

477
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: gun laws, none of this would be happening, to which

478
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: I counter, that's bs. We have gun laws, they're just

479
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: not being enforced. One of the most pre eminent gun

480
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: laws we have, of course, is something called weapons under disability,

481
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: which you often see on the docket and felony cases,

482
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 2: meaning that if you have a felony record, it prohibits you.

483
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: It precludes you from having a firearm, from looking, touching, handling, owning, possessing, controlling,

484
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: or even thinking about a firearm. Can't do it. And

485
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: you know, we're learning more about this individual who fire

486
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: the bullets through the window a city bird, and I said,

487
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: I would bet the house that this guy has priors

488
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: to prohibit him from having a weapon. And guess what

489
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: here we go again. Should Ryan Hitton have been running

490
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: around with the gun in his hand, No, he's he's

491
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: prohibited from having that weapon. The act of stealing a

492
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: car and driving around it would prohibit him from having

493
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Speaker 2: a weapon, let alone age and everything else. So and

494
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 2: what else he was jammed up in. And also, you

495
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: could be a law abiding citizen and defend your carry

496
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 2: a gun even if you are eighteen. But at the

497
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: same time, if you're in the act of a crime,

498
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: an officer tells you to do something, you're supposed to

499
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: drop the gun. Not only did not drop it, he

500
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: picked it up and ran towards our round officers. He

501
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: set all those circumstances up that led to his death.

502
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: Ryan Hinton dead. But we look at that as well,

503
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: if he would how's he getting the gun. He's getting

504
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 2: the gun in his hand. He shouldn't. Yeah, he's under disciplined.

505
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 2: He shouldn't have the gun. Well, the gun. There's too

506
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: many guns out there, I would say. In Cincinnati, we saw,

507
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, the community gun thing. We've said on straw

508
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: purchasers in the past and like. And the new problem

509
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: is the fact that people who live, work, and reside

510
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati often don't feel safe and they feel the

511
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: need because maybe it's social media, maybe it's also well,

512
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: these real things that are happening from time to time,

513
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: and too often, may I add, in our city that

514
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: scare the hell out of people. You know, we heard

515
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: testimony yesterday or maybe the day before from city Council

516
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 2: and law and public safety, which is why I had

517
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: an on and she heard the testimony going on and

518
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: on and on from people who said, look, I own

519
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: property in Cincinnati, I own rental property. I have people

520
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: that are afraid to rent my property, my income, the

521
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: investment that I made in the city that you wanted

522
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 2: me to do. You encourage me to buy properties, Say

523
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: come to Cincinnati. Look at all the cool stuff we have.

524
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: We have a vibrant towntown and be part of it.

525
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: Isn't this great? Be part of the vibe? Awesome? And

526
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: then we didn't do a damn thing about stopping the

527
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: criminal element or pretending to stop the criminal and we

528
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: just let them run rampant because of feelings. And so

529
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: now I'm stuck with this property that I can't rent

530
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: out because people won't come downtown because they're afraid. And

531
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: for those who say, well, you know, it's just the

532
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: ignorant people. Since these largely safe, look me personally, I'll

533
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: go down. I'll go downtown. There's certain neighborhoods and times

534
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: I won't go out, but I will. But that's not everybody.

535
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: So the fact you think downtown's perfectly safe and this

536
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: is just a bunch of you know, made up stuff

537
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: to talk about here on this radio station, I think

538
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: you're full of it. I think you're I think that's

539
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: true at all. If you have people who say, look,

540
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: I can't rent, or I have a tenant that's scared.

541
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: What should I do? Or you have say, hey, listen,

542
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: I live in a neighborhood, I have friends and now

543
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: they're moving out because of this and they're done with it.

544
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: What have we spent all this time and effort in

545
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: development and learning, businesses in and tax incentives and street

546
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 2: cars and all that other stuff that we've done. What

547
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: the hell is the point of that if it's come

548
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: down to this, and so saying that, you know, we

549
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: just we you know, people coming downtown now they're scared

550
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: to death, and so now they feel the need to

551
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,959
Speaker 2: have to carry a gun with them in case they

552
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 2: may need it because I don't know, maybe they're caught

553
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: up in what happened at City Bird, or they're driving

554
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: down the street and there's two idiots shooting each other.

555
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: They're shooting at me as he's shooting at the other

556
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 2: guy in the middle of traffic and rush hour. And

557
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: my job is to come home to my family. My

558
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: job is to live another day. So I'm going to

559
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: carry that with me. Now, I can't take it to

560
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: my place of work. I can't take it here, I

561
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: can't take it there, I can't take it to the

562
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: Bengals game time. I can't do any of that stuff.

563
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: So I leave at my car. And now young people

564
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: know that they break into cars, the ayre still guns.

565
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: That's what Ryan Hint was doing. And that's all because

566
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: of these failed policies. Wow, we just need more laws. No,

567
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 2: we don't need more laws. We need judges that are

568
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: going to do the hard work and enforce the laws

569
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: that already on the books that if you get caught

570
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: up and you're not allowed to have because of disability,

571
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: a weapon and you're caught with it, we're going to

572
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: put you behind bars for a long time. Now, that

573
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: mean we need more prisons, And maybe that means we,

574
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, the people who aren't rising and level of

575
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: those crimes, maybe we need to make space with them.

576
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: That's certainly that's been discussed, it's been done, it's a possibility.

577
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: But guess what, it's got to stop with people who

578
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: pick up guns and carry them around and use them

579
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: to settle arguments. We cannot have that at all. That

580
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: that sort of like Terry cy Jow will fall on

581
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. And so I disagree that it's all

582
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: this as well, But I think you also have to

583
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: look at a relative to downtown and relative to Cincinnati,

584
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: the mindset that's permeating our leadership and the administration when

585
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: it comes to who's making the decisions. And you know,

586
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: Aftab got elected because he's a handsome, decent looking, well

587
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: spoken Asian man. I guess, multiple descents whatever. I mean,

588
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 2: that's what we're looking for in the progressive community. Like, Okay,

589
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: he's a guy. He was in charge of license plates

590
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: one day and now he'sa all of a sudden, Okay,

591
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: now he's the next mayor of the city. Say this

592
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: is going to be great. Everything's good, everything feels good.

593
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: And it's not just it started before him. But the

594
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: problem with progressive policies are they're too soft on crime.

595
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: And that is one thing Democrats nationwide cannot get away from.

596
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: And that's what is making Trump trump right now. If

597
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: you if you don't like Trump, well then you got

598
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: to look at your own policies and how we the

599
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: Democrats are on that, and how progressive policies are hurting

600
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: urban cities. You know, we have ice, we have National Guard.

601
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: He's exploiting that, certainly for political reasons to make a point.

602
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: But the truth still remains is these are largely dangerous

603
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: areas to be in and Cincinnati is fast becoming. If

604
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: we're not there already one of those areas, what does

605
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: it say that here we are. We have Thursday night

606
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 2: football in Cincinnati. We got the Steelers in town, we

607
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: got people from Pittsburgh, people from Cincinnati, good natured football.

608
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: Hopefully the Bengals pull this thing off tonight. We'll find out.

609
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: I've got Dan Horde at eleven oh seven to talk

610
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: about this. But we're supposed to having a good time,

611
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: and you know what, how many people are gonna be

612
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: looking up their shoulder a little bit, and how many

613
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: people are coming in from Pennsylvania or even local Steeler

614
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: fans go downtown to the game and go, what the

615
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: hell these guys doing around? All these swat offers are

616
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: doing around. This is I've been to games before, primetime

617
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: games in my in Pittsburgh, we don't have cops standing

618
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: around with automatic weapons on Fountain Square and are gathering places.

619
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we have cops, but don't look like this.

620
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: And this is again what we got. So I have

621
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: a sneak suspicion I might be wrong. I think Corey

622
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: Bowman has made some fine points, but is deep blue

623
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: as Cincinnati is. I see AFTAB winning again, and I

624
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: might be wrong. I've been wrong in the past a lot.

625
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: Admit when I'm wrong, but I think it's again. It's

626
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: here's the problems. People are just so used to and

627
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: wanting folks like this to run things. And my fear

628
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: is that okay gets reelected, is all this just going

629
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: to go way? After November? Do we just go back

630
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: to going Okay, I got another way, we got reelected. Great,

631
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: all this stuff we're doing with the new chief in

632
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: that was just to get elected. And then we go

633
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: back and we'll have more of these stupid policies. Yeah,

634
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: we need more gun laws. It's the fault of the

635
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Republicans and we need to get tougher on guns. And meanwhile,

636
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: we've got judges that just simply let people out and

637
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: you promised you're not going to do this again. We

638
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 2: just had a guy do right.

639
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: He was.

640
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: He literally left court and the judge said, here's what

641
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: you need. Judge Hathaway said, here's what you need to do.

642
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: You need to report your probation officer, you need to

643
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: get a job. I need to go killing people. So

644
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Speaker 2: if that's the attitude we have relatives to probation and

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Speaker 2: relative to locking people up and incarcerating them because they

646
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Speaker 2: have a gun under disability, whether it's Sir Ryan Hinton

647
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Speaker 2: or anyone else, I just have a fear that that

648
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Speaker 2: those policies are going to wind up the things we're

649
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Speaker 2: doing right now just simply to get reelected and once

650
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Speaker 2: the election's over, the hell with it. Because we've seen

651
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Speaker 2: this before. We you know, to bring it full circle.

652
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Speaker 2: Point it back at state Republicans. We had initiatives on

653
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Speaker 2: the ballot for marijuana and pro choice and things like

654
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Speaker 2: and now the legends goes, Okay, elections over, I guess

655
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Speaker 2: we're gonna do all We'll try to do that stuff.

656
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Speaker 2: And that's the will of the people speaking right, They're

657
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Speaker 2: sixty percent of the people say yes, or no to something.

658
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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty decisive. You ought to bide by

659
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Speaker 2: their wishes. But we try to find ways to poke

660
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Speaker 2: holes in that. And is it any different? And I

661
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: can argue it's far worse and what's happening in downtown Cincinnati,

662
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: because it's not gonna be long before innocent people die.

663
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Speaker 2: You know, we had Patrick Herringer. That was a wake

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Speaker 2: up call for a lot of folks regarding this issue.

665
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Speaker 2: But you know, some innocent person could have easily gotten

666
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Speaker 2: shot in the last two gun battles on Fountain Square

667
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Speaker 2: that we're talking about here, and it's only a matter

668
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Speaker 2: of time before it happens again. And you know, I

669
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Speaker 2: look at the beatdown in downtown Cincinnati. Why do you

670
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Speaker 2: think people are so embolden as that they can do

671
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Speaker 2: whatever the hell they want when they want. It's because

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Speaker 2: of the vailure of leadership at the highest levels in

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Speaker 2: the city. And guess what if we just keep electing

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Speaker 2: the same people or versions of the same people, you

675
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Speaker 2: get the same thing. I'm a big proponent of divided government.

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Speaker 2: The more divided government is, the less crap like this

677
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Speaker 2: they can do, whether it's local, state, or federal. On

678
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Speaker 2: the way Jason Philibon is here speaking of Ryan hit

679
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Speaker 2: as Dad. Rodney Hinton Junior was in court and a

680
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Speaker 2: court appointed psychiatrist examined Rodney Hinton and said, well, there's

681
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Speaker 2: definitely a component of insanity here. Rodney Hinton Junior, who brutally,

682
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Speaker 2: deliberately stalked and murdered an innocent chef's deputy by the

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Speaker 2: name of Larry Henderson, is now trying to get out

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Speaker 2: of just punishment. How does that whole thing work with

685
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Speaker 2: not guilty reason of insanity or in this case, just saying, hey,

686
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Speaker 2: we're trying to work it down so this guy gets

687
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Speaker 2: a life and not death. He didn't give that opportunity

688
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Speaker 2: to Larry Henderson, that's for damn sure. Should he get it,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to We'll talk to a Jason Philibaum, attorney,

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Speaker 2: a law Next on The Scotslan Show on seven hundred,

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Speaker 2: w Weldon.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American?

693
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Speaker 2: Rodney Hinton Juniors accused of killing Hemmelin County Sheriff Deputy

694
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Speaker 2: Larry Henderson. May second and he this is the guy

695
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Speaker 2: who took his car, drove around looking for a deputy

696
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: to run over, and runs over a deputy Henderson, and

697
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: all Henderson was doing is working a traffic until operating

698
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Speaker 2: a light manually. At UC's graduation ceremony a few hours earlier,

699
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Speaker 2: Hinton and his family got to look at body camera

700
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Speaker 2: video of his eighteen notes son Ryan being fatally shot

701
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Speaker 2: by Cincinnati Palasi. Video we've subsequently seen and said that

702
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Speaker 2: kid had it coming running with a gun in his hand,

703
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: dropping it, picking back up, not complying with law enforcement,

704
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Speaker 2: and Rodney, they show the level of sociopath that he

705
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Speaker 2: and maybe his son was decided that his son was

706
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Speaker 2: completely innocent and we're going to have a shooting space

707
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Speaker 2: as such. By the way, the Hinton family is still

708
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Speaker 2: trying to file lawsuits and make this a case against

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Speaker 2: CPD and officers and saying that justice was not served

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Speaker 2: in the shooting of the sun even though this kid

711
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Speaker 2: is running around with a gun, stealing cars and committing

712
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Speaker 2: violent crimes with impunity. That's not the kind of people

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Speaker 2: we need on the street. And you know that that

714
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Speaker 2: pervasive attitude that permits in the community is not trickled

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Speaker 2: up to the mayor's office. But nonetheless, yesterday a court

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Speaker 2: appointed forensic psychologist found Rodney Hitton, Junior the dad suffering

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Speaker 2: from serious mental illness, making him ineligible for the death pedal.

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Speaker 2: The question is is he going to avoid punishment. We're

719
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Speaker 2: going with the not guilty by reason of an insanity

720
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Speaker 2: plea And this is just a preliminary by the way,

721
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Speaker 2: this is a court appointed psychiatrist who was doing this.

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Speaker 2: And there's a long way to go, and we'll find

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Speaker 2: out if and when Rodney hint And will face the

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Speaker 2: death penalty. Jason Philibaum, attorney, a law, former prosecutor and

725
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Speaker 2: Butler County defense attorney, now joins the show. Jason, how

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Speaker 2: you been good morning, doing well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: All right, We've had this discussion before about NGRI. But

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Speaker 2: so the diagnosis for Hinton is bipolar disorder psychosis. A

730
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Speaker 2: psychologist concluded that mental illnesses impacted compaired him to his

731
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Speaker 2: ability to exercise rational judgment at the time of his offense.

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Speaker 2: His attorney a very good attorney, and Clyde Bennett argues

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Speaker 2: that hit And didn't understand the wrongfulness of his conduct.

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Speaker 2: But I look at this and go, I know prosecutors

735
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Speaker 2: are going to look at a second opinion. This is

736
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Speaker 2: very early in the game. But when you drive around

737
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Speaker 2: and you stalk your prey. That tells me that you

738
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Speaker 2: are of right mind, you know exactly what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: This is a really difficult approach that they're using here,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think there's two things to consider.

742
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Speaker 4: The first thing is to consider or whether or not

743
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Speaker 4: he should be not guilty because of insanity, and that's

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Speaker 4: a very specific definition of what whether he knew essentially

745
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: the wrongfulness of his action. The second question, which is

746
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Speaker 4: what they were kind of discussing yesterday, is whether he

747
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Speaker 4: should be executed because of his mental health disorder. I mean,

748
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Speaker 4: the one thing I always tell jury's and I've always

749
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Speaker 4: told people, is people that commit crimes aren't mentally normal.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's you know, everyone that essentially commits a

751
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Speaker 4: violent crime like that has some issue going on. The

752
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Speaker 4: question is is the issue the mental health so severe

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Speaker 4: that it is prohibited, you know, to have the state

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Speaker 4: use a death penalty. And I think that's what they're

755
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Speaker 4: looking at right now. And Clyde, he does do a

756
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Speaker 4: good job in this case. He's essentially attacking it from

757
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Speaker 4: two different angles. He's saying, my client's not guilty because

758
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Speaker 4: he's insane, and if you find him to be sane,

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Speaker 4: then you can't put him to death because his mental

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Speaker 4: health is so severe that that's not applicable to him.

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Speaker 2: Right the law, Jason Philibama, believe correct, my Brin, you're

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Speaker 2: the attorney, I'm not are are There are four specific

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Speaker 2: mental illnesses that make defendants death penalty and eligible. And

764
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Speaker 2: so how does the law define significantly impaired to exercise

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Speaker 2: rational judgment, which is what's going on here, and the

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Speaker 2: evidentiary standard prosecutors have to the burden they have to

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Speaker 2: overcome to still pursue the death penalty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the answer to that is probably a good law

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Speaker 4: school class. But the in shorts, I think it was

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Speaker 4: House Bill one thirty six that essentially prohibits the death

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Speaker 4: penalty for those that were diagnosed with schizophrenia, I think

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Speaker 4: schizophrenic disorder, bipolar disorder, and delusional disorder. But again, it

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Speaker 4: has to be something that's significant. You know, anyone that's

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Speaker 4: abused drugs usually will have some type of diagnosis with bipolar.

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Speaker 4: But if it's not significant enough to impair and essentially

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Speaker 4: effect their everyday life to the extent that you know,

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Speaker 4: that's that's something I think would be a factual decision

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Speaker 4: that has to be determined yeah.

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Speaker 3: Got it.

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Speaker 4: And so what you're going to what you're going to

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Speaker 4: have from a preliminary standpoint is one psychologist basically said, yes,

782
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Speaker 4: it's severe enough that he shouldn't be facing the death

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Speaker 4: penalty at least that's what we kind of got from

784
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Speaker 4: the court yesterday. And then the state's going to get

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Speaker 4: a second opinion, which happens all the time, this is

786
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Speaker 4: not abnormal. And if that doctor says it's not, then

787
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Speaker 4: I think you're going to say that. The judge is

788
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: going to say, let the jury decide that, and I'll

789
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Speaker 4: explain that in a minute. But if the second opinion

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Speaker 4: comes back and says though it's severe, then all of

791
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 4: a sudden, you've got two opinions, one from the defense,

792
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Speaker 4: one from the state, and they both say it's severe.

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Speaker 4: Then you're going to have the situation where the state

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Speaker 4: may take the death bonety off the table themselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, And there's a high bars there should be

796
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Speaker 2: for an insanity defense because mental ones alone, that doesn't

797
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Speaker 2: mean legal insanity. There's a distinction. There's what you're saying,

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Speaker 2: and so many people buy Paul, disorder and psychosis can distinguish, right,

799
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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. I don't know, if I'm the prosecutor, IM

800
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Speaker 2: look at this going, well, he knows how to the

801
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Speaker 2: rational behavior would be. He gets in a vehicle, he

802
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Speaker 2: operates a motor vehicle, presumably abides by most of the

803
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: traffic laws. Anyway, on that date, he's looking for a target.

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Speaker 2: He's out there basically stalking, looking for law enforcement officer

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Speaker 2: to kill, maybe even a white law enforcement officer. The

806
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Speaker 2: statements and what statements he made before during because I

807
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: guess when they were showing him the video, he just

808
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: kind of stormed out. The family tried to calm him down.

809
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: He was just angry. But a lot of people commit

810
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Speaker 2: crimes when they're angry. Look at the shootings at Fountain Square,

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Speaker 2: that's probably about an anger, street beef stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean a mental mental illness or incompetency, you know.

813
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: And at the time he took off, he struck him

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Speaker 2: and they caught him later. And I think all that

815
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Speaker 2: adds in the fact that you know, he made some

816
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: sound decisions and was of the right mind that led

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Speaker 2: up to the death of Anderson. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: a jury wouldn't look at that.

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Speaker 4: And those are exactly the points the prosecutor is going

820
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Speaker 4: to argue if insanity is allowed to pursue, and you know,

821
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Speaker 4: he has to have a psychologist that also supports the

822
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Speaker 4: insanity defense. And the one interesting thing about that is

823
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Speaker 4: we we can't see what these reports say. The judge

824
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Speaker 4: specifically scolded or warned or whatever. Both parties that they

825
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Speaker 4: do not want this report being leaked, so we don't

826
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Speaker 4: know what's in the report.

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Speaker 3: We don't know exactly what was said.

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Speaker 4: We can surmise a little bit from the arguments, but

829
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day, the prosecutor is going

830
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Speaker 4: to argue, exactly what you just did. This was a

831
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Speaker 4: calculated This was a planned This was premeditated at least

832
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Speaker 4: by an hour or two, if not, you know, a

833
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Speaker 4: few minutes. It doesn't have to be like a year

834
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Speaker 4: long pre meditate. It's he planned it, even if it

835
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Speaker 4: was in a short plan. So I think all of

836
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Speaker 4: those arguments are what the state's going to argue that

837
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Speaker 4: he is. He is guilty for what he did, and

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Speaker 4: insanity does and apply. Now if he's found guilt, then

839
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Speaker 4: in a death penalty phase, you then have a sentencing phase.

840
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: It's this completely separate hearing. So jury goes back and

841
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: just determines is he guilty or not, and if they

842
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Speaker 4: find him guilty, then the defense and the state get

843
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 4: together again and they present more evidence, and at this point,

844
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Speaker 4: the state has a burden to prove that the death

845
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Speaker 4: penalty is applicable in this case. And that's where you

846
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 4: get a lot of mitigation from the defense. You know,

847
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 4: oh he's a great guy, or oh he has these

848
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Speaker 4: mental illness or get.

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Speaker 3: It bad like like whatever.

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Speaker 4: And that's where these reports really will come into play,

851
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Speaker 4: because if they can convince a jury that he has

852
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 4: this serious illness that prohibits the death penalty, then the

853
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: jury won't be able to give the death penalty. And

854
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Speaker 4: what's interesting is there's three off ramps for Clyde's client.

855
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Speaker 4: The first is, if both reports come back, maybe the

856
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Speaker 4: state takes it off or the judge says, I'm not

857
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Speaker 4: going to allow it.

858
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Speaker 3: What's more likely is you're going to have competing experts, and.

859
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: So the judge is going to let the jury decide,

860
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: and then the jury is going to essentially make their

861
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: decision if they find the death penalty. Then the third

862
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: off ramp will be an appellate court who will look

863
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: at all the evidence and determine, and that's where we

864
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: might see this development the appellate court.

865
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of sort of moving parts, but

866
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: it really will come down to what this next expert says.

867
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: Gotcha. He is a defense attorney. Jason Phillibaum, our legal

868
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: expert on The Sloan Show talking about Rodney Hitton Junior.

869
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: I know we got the Terry Thigi stuff. We're talking

870
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: about that today as well, but this is an important

871
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: story because he's accused of killing Deputy Larry Henderson. I

872
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: remember that after his son was out with a gun

873
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: and got shot by Cincinnati police officers. I showed them

874
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: the video of the shoot and was a go. Was

875
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 2: ruled a deemed a good shooting on the part of

876
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: the police officers because the sun was running around with

877
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: a gun, stolen car. Eighteen year old Ryan Hidden legally

878
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: shot by Cincinnati police. He loses his mind apparently and

879
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: goes and kills for no reason Deputy Larry Henderson as

880
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: quote unquote revenge. And now they're trying to play thee Well,

881
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: he had bipolar disorder and psychosis, and safe to say

882
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: most people have some mental illness in their life. I

883
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: mean everyone thinks they're normal. The rest of the world

884
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: is aft up. But that's not the case. We're all

885
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: flawed in some way, shape or form. I think what

886
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: he did is beyond the effect of psychosis or bipolar disorder.

887
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: I mean, clearly he knew what he was doing when

888
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: he murdered Larry Henderson and now is just trying to

889
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: evade his due punishment in this case. When a court

890
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: appointed forensic psychologists that testify that he's got these illnesses Jason, Okay,

891
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: so he testifies, prosecutors will get a second opinion and

892
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: make contradute the first. How does the judge sort this

893
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: all out?

894
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: Well, it's difficult, but at the end of the day,

895
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: there's some judges that will, you know, try to impose

896
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 4: their own sort of decision.

897
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: On the case. And we've talked about that.

898
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: We kind of, you know, want a judge that's going

899
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 4: to more interpret the law and not necessarily make the law.

900
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: So some judges may look at this and say, I'm

901
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 4: taking the death penalty off the table. I have enough

902
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: to do it because this expert says, So. I think

903
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: what you're going to see more judges do is take

904
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: a look at it and if it's a factual issue.

905
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 4: I'm going to let the jury decide it, because that's

906
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: essentially what our society is based on, is let the

907
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 4: jury decide, you know, the factual issues. Now, if it's

908
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: clear cut, then I think the judge has a duty

909
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: then to take the death penalty off the table. So

910
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: if every expert says this is so severe that the

911
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: death penalty shouldn't apply, then I think the judge has

912
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: a duty to do it. But if you have competing experts,

913
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: one says he is one says he's got issues, but

914
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 4: not to the point that the death penalty should be excluded,

915
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: then I think most judges are going to say, I'm

916
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 4: going to let the jury decide this.

917
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: That way, you know, there's a fair trial, and jury decides.

918
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 4: And then they're selling a pellet court that's going to

919
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: look at it again and determine whether or not, you know,

920
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 4: the judge made the right decision, whether the ju made

921
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 4: the right.

922
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: Decision, and so on.

923
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 4: So I think the best thing to do is let

924
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: it go through the process. But when a judge sort

925
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 4: of takes one side and rips away their their case.

926
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: I think that's what a lot of a lot of

927
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: people don't like. To see.

928
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jason Philibon. The idea here is that we

929
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: know he's guilty. You got you've got in place to

930
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: the scene. You've got the smoking gun, you've got the murder,

931
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: you've got the deliberation, you've got the intent, you got

932
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: all that stuff. There's no question about it. He's the

933
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: guy and he did what he did. Uh what Clyde

934
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: Bennett is trying to do in a send some wiggle

935
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: room to save this guy's life. That's all this is right?

936
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: Yes, And you know what's interesting is we all get

937
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 5: to the issue of the death pale, like you know

938
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: what happened with Charlie Kirk and his his assassination. At

939
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 5: some point, you know, is life in prison worse than

940
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: the death penalty? But right now, that's not a decision

941
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 5: the jury makes. That's not a decision that the judge

942
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 5: should make or the attorney should make. That's the decision

943
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: of society makes. So they look at this case individually.

944
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: Does the death time the apply it does based on

945
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 5: the alleged facts, And then the second question is should

946
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 5: the defendant get the death penalty?

947
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 4: And all the Ohio law did was really sort of

948
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: podify what the Supreme Court has already said you can't

949
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 4: execute the mentally ill, you can't execute minors, you can't

950
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 4: execute you know, low IQ individuals. They and then so

951
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 4: Ohio took it one step further and said, the mentally

952
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: ill are these four categories, and we're not going to

953
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 4: let you do that. It still comes down to a

954
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 4: factual decision, though, about whether or not this individual meets

955
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: those criteria, and I think that's what a jury should

956
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: decide in this case.

957
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: With that said, if a second opinion.

958
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 4: Comes back and as clear as day that this guy's

959
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: got some problems, then it's just a matter of you know,

960
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 4: life in prison versus not And I think that's a

961
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: guilty versus not guilty, and like you said.

962
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: That's not really in question. The question is what happens

963
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: when the jury finds them guilt.

964
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: In this case, does does intent override mental illness? In

965
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: that the prosecutors claimed to hit and intentionally drove in

966
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: to Henderson. I think that's clear that he did. But

967
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: does that evidence of intentional, purposeful, willful conduct undermine the

968
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: mouth allness claim.

969
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: It does to some extent, But you have to think

970
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: about almost every crime is intent.

971
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: Imagine a guy that's hopped up on drugs and breaks.

972
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 4: Into a house and then you know, gets into a

973
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 4: fight with a homeowner and kills him. That was all intentional.

974
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 4: But in this case, like you emphasize, which is what

975
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 4: the prostitutes emphasized, there was an intent to kill long

976
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: before you broke into a house and stumbled across the homeowner.

977
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 3: You know, that was sort of a secondary intent.

978
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: This guy was, you know, a leisuredly driving down the

979
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 4: street looking for an officer to exact his revenge. And

980
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 4: I think that's what's going to like you said, probably

981
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 4: err on the side of Hey, this person was sane

982
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 4: enough to coordinate a plan of attack to kill this

983
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 4: individual standing on the side of the road, and that's

984
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 4: going to go against whether or not the psychosis is

985
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: so bad that it should take the death penalty off

986
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: the table.

987
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 2: Now, in the hitting case, how common is it for

988
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: faces for what I believe aggravated murder is what the

989
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: charge is, to successfully use mental illness as a defense here,

990
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: it's pretty rare that they succeed.

991
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: Well, it's it's rare in the guilt phase, but it's

992
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: actually not that.

993
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it's more common in the you know, I've

994
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: had death penalty cases where I remember one of my

995
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 4: first death penalty cases, the guy stabbed the guy twenty

996
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 4: three times, and we argue to the jury that, you know,

997
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 4: he should face the death penalty because it was a

998
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 4: burglary and a murder, and the jury came back and

999
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 4: found life. And the reason was is, you know, the

1000
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 4: guy had a bad childhood, he had some mental health issues,

1001
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: he was depressed, he was anxious, and they felt that

1002
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 4: was enough to you know, take off the death penalty

1003
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 4: and just do life.

1004
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: And isn't And I think because it has to be

1005
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 3: a unanimous decision.

1006
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 4: So what happens is there's twelve jurors and ten are

1007
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: saying death and two are saying no this. You know,

1008
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 4: there's two reasons why he should maybe not get death.

1009
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: And then after two days of deliberation, the jury comes

1010
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 4: back with life because they're thinking, hey, life is worse

1011
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: than death. I mean, I'm if I have to spend

1012
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: the rest of my life in prison, that's awful. I

1013
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: think that's why defense attorneys will argue, and sometimes very successfully,

1014
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: that mental health is a reason why you should put

1015
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: this person in prison for life instead of death.

1016
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: All right, Jason philibum. Finally, December first, I believe is

1017
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: the next hearing. It's insignificant one, and the determination there

1018
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: is going to be whether a judge finds hitting death

1019
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: penalty and eligible or eligible. If indeed that happens December first,

1020
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll talk around, then can prosecute just

1021
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: appeal that decision for the trial and what's going to

1022
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: happen December first and quickly thereafter.

1023
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: That's a good quest.

1024
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 4: And you know, typically a prosecutor cannot appeal that decision

1025
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 4: prior to the trial, so the prosecutors have very limited

1026
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 4: appellate rights.

1027
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 3: It's usually after the fact, and if.

1028
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 4: Someone has found not guilty, then you know they can

1029
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 4: have an appeal that argues law, but it's not going

1030
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 4: to change the verdict. So in this particular case, I

1031
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 4: think they're probably going to be stuck with whatever the

1032
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 4: judge decides. I mean, they could appeal after the fact,

1033
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 4: but it's not going to change this case. So what

1034
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 4: it's really going to come down to what December happens,

1035
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 4: is what their expert says.

1036
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 3: If they're expert, and I would expect their expert.

1037
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 4: Comes back and just has a different opinion, then I

1038
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: would expect the judge to say, let us go to

1039
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 4: trial and decide. But again, if it's a situation where

1040
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 4: you know it's clear that he has such a mental

1041
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 4: health issue that qualifies under this house build then and

1042
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 4: you may see the prosecutor withdraw it to himself.

1043
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: All right.

1044
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 2: He is Jason Philibauma attorney at law. I'm are a

1045
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: prosecutor now in private practice explaining what the path forward is.

1046
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: Here Rodney Hinton Junior, in his insanity play, a court

1047
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: ordered psychologist concluded he's got mental health illness. It's significantly

1048
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: impaired's ability to exercise rational judgment when he decided to

1049
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 2: murder and stalk and kill Larry Henderson, which I think

1050
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: if I were in a jury, I disagree with that.

1051
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: But we'll find out with the defense or the I

1052
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: guess the prosecutors move now and then that hearing on

1053
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: December first, and all the whole sorts out. But he

1054
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 2: is Jason Philipon. Thanks again for the sharp legal insight

1055
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: as always, buddy, appreciate you.

1056
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thank you.

1057
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 2: All right, we move on next up on the Scottslan

1058
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: Show on seven hundred W to of course, we start

1059
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: with the news updates about four five minutes away, and

1060
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 2: later on we'll get to Dan Hort Thursday Night football.

1061
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: Something a little lighter for us today Cincinnati Pittsburgh and

1062
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: all closer than that the state of Terry Thiji as

1063
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: we await the verdict on her career future, whether and

1064
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, again, I don't think it matters if it's

1065
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: Thiji or it's and Chief anybody else for that matter,

1066
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: in the long list people been around and again it

1067
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: is the piper that's calling the tune, and the piper

1068
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 2: would be after pure Vault manager shere along. I don't know,

1069
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: maybe Iris rawling a bunch of others, but Fiji is

1070
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: like kind of like when Zach Taylor fired lou Ana

1071
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: Arumo last season, and that is it really lou Anaruma

1072
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 2: because he took his show to Indianapolis and they're five

1073
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: and one? So is it really the the person who's

1074
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: subject to the rule or the rulemakers themselves? You decide.

1075
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: Seven hundred W wild Scott Floan show. This is a

1076
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 2: seven hundred W wild w who just ran that story

1077
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: about the represent of Dave Taylor Claremont County, And I

1078
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 2: guess someone whose office had a flag I didn't describe

1079
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: it as on a blog the substack called the Rooster

1080
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: when I give a credit there to the person who

1081
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 2: broke the story. But someone's on a conference calling the background.

1082
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: He's on American flag and the middle bars. I don't

1083
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: know how to describe this. Middle bars are the red

1084
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: stripes across America flag are altered in the fashion to

1085
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: make it look like a swastika in the middle of it,

1086
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: and comparatively to a Nazi swastika, which is kind of angle.

1087
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: This is upright. I don't know. It's just a weird,

1088
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: weird story that's breaking right now. I don't know if

1089
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: it's a photo manipulation, if it's a real thing, but

1090
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: a reportedly capital The police have gone and actually sees

1091
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: the flag itself, and at some point we'll have an

1092
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: update on that investigation. I've reached out to Representative Taylor,

1093
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: and I'm sure at some point I'll come on and

1094
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: talk about it as they continue the investigation. So we

1095
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: have that going on this morning as well. Every time

1096
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: one of these stories break, I go, you think, maybe

1097
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 2: the price, you know, and I hate to say it's

1098
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 2: gonna come out wrong. There's a lot of the stuff

1099
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: I say oftentimes, but I'll just blurt it out there.

1100
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 2: You think maybe some of these boosters programs and our towns,

1101
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: villages and hamlets that maybe just got too much money.

1102
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: Not to blame the victim here at all. We have

1103
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: a couple of stories that are g Layton right now.

1104
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 2: Dearborn County. Dearborn got forty six year old president of

1105
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 2: a civics club in a small town Dearborn County. This

1106
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: charge of a felony for stealing over well, it was

1107
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: like one hundred thousand dollars still fifty grand between twenty

1108
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty twenty five kind of bled them a

1109
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: little bit, but the amount is actually higher than that.

1110
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 2: And now he's in hot water because this small town

1111
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: civics club, he was using it to go to casinos

1112
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: and trips and cruises and everything else. In Mason, a

1113
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: forty four year old woman who's convicted for theft I

1114
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: think a fellony five and telecommunications fraud. She's stole over

1115
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: six thousand dollars from the Mason Football Boosters account to

1116
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: pay personal credit card expenses. She was the head of

1117
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 2: the Mason Cheerboosters group, so she had some access to

1118
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: the football booters, I guess doing them some help. But

1119
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 2: then they said, well, wait a minute, she's not even

1120
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: with the football boosters, and yet she got six thousand dollars.

1121
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 2: Let's check out the Mason cheer booster's account, and there

1122
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: they found that she stole almost thirty thousand dollars from

1123
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: that account. Now people hear that. I hear that and go,

1124
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: what is wrong with you? You're stealing from kids, you're

1125
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: still from civic organizations. But at the same time, the

1126
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: other part of me is, and this is not the

1127
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: first time that's happened. Is this happens rather frequently if

1128
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 2: you follow it. And the amount of money that's being

1129
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: grifted here is it's not the tenas. What's a lot

1130
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: of money, you know, specifically, I look at the Mason one,

1131
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: which is close to home for me. Okay, six thousand

1132
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: from the football, thirty thousand dollars from the cheer boosters,

1133
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: And look than some of these accounts, and they're in

1134
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: the hundreds of thousands of dollars. And one I think

1135
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 2: legitimately I may ask, is well, you know, why are

1136
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: you stealing the money? Because I think they probably see

1137
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: it as a victimist crime. They probably go, well, you know,

1138
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 2: I deserve it because I volunteer. I do the same reason,

1139
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: the same excuse that there's a psychological term for this,

1140
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: and and bother looking that up. I'll just spurt this.

1141
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 2: But where we're like, you know, pastors will skim money,

1142
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 2: or they'll involve in, you know, extra marital affairs. All

1143
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 2: the stuff that they preach against doing, they'll do themselves.

1144
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: There's a sense of entitlement that I was like, well,

1145
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: I work hard, and I'm good in all these other

1146
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: lives and improving other lives and other charities and things

1147
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: I do, and so I'm allowed this deliance, I think

1148
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 2: is the how you describe. It's kind of like for

1149
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: the rest of us would be, hey, you know I

1150
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: ate right and exercised, I did all this stuff that

1151
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: I did. You know what, I deserve to eat an

1152
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: entire pizza. It's kind of like the same mentelity. I

1153
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be wrong about that. But in both cases,

1154
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: and specifically, I mean you're sitting there go like wow,

1155
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,359
Speaker 2: yeah times, or or like there's just stuff I want

1156
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: that I can't afford because the decisions I made, or

1157
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: because of things that happened in my life. Or combination

1158
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: of both, which is true for all of us. I mean, hell,

1159
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: I would love to go buy a, you know, a Lamborghini,

1160
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 2: but scotts Loan's not buying a Lamborghini anytime soon Afterdamn sure,

1161
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: I'm gonna continue to driving the old truck. The same

1162
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 2: for you, so we don't go and do those things

1163
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: because I really don't. I can't do any more prison

1164
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: time personally, I can't. I can't be down. I just

1165
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: I've been there, I've done that. I'm not going back

1166
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: to prison. And you probably think the same way, like, yeah,

1167
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to be I don't want to throw

1168
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: everything away. I've worked for my entire life. I'm good,

1169
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: So I guess I won't get that Lamborghini or that

1170
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 2: shiny new thing. Some people can't stay stand out of

1171
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: control those urges. But I also look at it and go,

1172
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: how much money do you actually need for high school

1173
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: and middle school cheerleaders? And I know it's going to

1174
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: come off as victim blaming and I'm trying not to

1175
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 2: do that, but for the life of me, I can't

1176
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: figure out why you need that much money. I know

1177
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: there's travel, and there's uniforms and expenses and really is

1178
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: there or is it just you make that up and go, yeah, well,

1179
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 2: we got all these things we need to do. Do

1180
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: you really need to have home and away uniforms and

1181
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: travel and have fireworks at a touchdown in middle school?

1182
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: And you really don't, No, you don't. But we've gotten

1183
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: away from that in America, and that's probably true for

1184
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: the industry. It's created. As you know, we have kids

1185
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: that are five six seven having personal trainers and coaches

1186
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: and five sixty seven. You know, when we're five six seven,

1187
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: we barely keep our shoes on, Like when I coached

1188
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: my son's little league team when he's not very athletic.

1189
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: Admittedly he doesn't like it. We tried, we tried soccer,

1190
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: we tried t ball, we tried all that stuff, and yeah,

1191
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: at that age, you're lucky if you can get them

1192
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: to keep their glove and shoes on, let alone practice

1193
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 2: the art of a double play. It's not happening. And

1194
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 2: so we've got all this invested because when our kids

1195
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: would be successful athletes and we prop them up in

1196
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: Athlete of the Week and athlete this, and they're going

1197
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: to get a scholarship and probably not, but we hope.

1198
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: So when you know we put so much in those adults,

1199
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: and it doesn't surprise me there's that much money in

1200
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: those accounts, which is allure for some people. But the

1201
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: fact that people steal money's nothing new. The fact that

1202
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: we have one hundred thousands of dollars in cheerleading accounts

1203
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: and boost your accounts and stuff like that. I could

1204
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: see that college because that's college money. But middle school,

1205
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: high school, I don't know. Man, I don't know. But

1206
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: that's back on all of us, isn't it. That's on

1207
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: me and that's you because that's what we hold up here.

1208
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: This doesn't surprise me. So STORYU of Arkansas this morning.

1209
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: Bear with me a second. This guy is running for sheriff,

1210
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: So what case you guy's running for sheriff in some

1211
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: place in Arkansas? So what the sheriff is facing second

1212
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 2: degree murder charges? Because now check this out, he admitted

1213
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: to He said, yep, I shot the guy. Sixty seven

1214
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: year old man was found with the sheriff the candidate's

1215
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: fourteen year old daughter in the candidate's car right now.

1216
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. In the guy's name is Michael Fossler, sixty

1217
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: seven years old. The sheriff' named Aaron Spencer, the guy

1218
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 2: running for sheriffs Aaron Spencer. Spencer admits he shot sixty

1219
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 2: seven year old Michael Fossler after finding Fossler with his

1220
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: fourteen year old daughter alone in Fossil's car. At the time,

1221
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 2: Fossler was out on bail after being arrested on accusations

1222
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 2: of sex crimes, and not just one, dozens of sex

1223
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: crimes involving the same fourteen year old girl. Now, if

1224
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 2: your mom, if your dad, what do you think about

1225
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: him running for office? He's looking at forty five years

1226
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 2: in prison and obviously would become disqualified from being sheriff.

1227
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: Three hundred and sixty thousand people, I said, three hundred

1228
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 2: and sixty thousand people outside a petition hoping to absolve

1229
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: him of his alleged crimes. And it's small, rural Arkansas.

1230
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, the polling suggests he would win that election

1231
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: hands down, and he admitted to murdering a man who

1232
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 2: is facing sexual molestation charges against his daughter. I would

1233
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 2: vote for Aaron Spencer. I know what the laws are,

1234
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: and I know what the rules are. And maybe it's

1235
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: because I live in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I see what happens.

1236
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 2: I get it, like there are crimes and then there

1237
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: are crimes, right, the Epstein stuff. I get the outrage.

1238
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: I get the anger that people on the right feel

1239
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 2: about what's going with the Epstein fils. Oh my god, yeah,

1240
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna expose it to do this. Okay, Yeah, there's

1241
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. Wait, it just went away. It

1242
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: didn't really go away. It's gone back back up there

1243
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: in the election. There's no doubt. So I get that

1244
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 2: there are crimes are just so egregious and so heinous,

1245
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: and even the suggestion the propriety of it is a

1246
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 2: hanging of fence. And so when you hear those stories

1247
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 2: and then you see what's happening to a lesser lovel,

1248
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm not. I would to say lesser love of murder's

1249
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: pretty serious too. People shooting eachself. You realize, like, Okay,

1250
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: vigil ante time. The dude's a vigilante and he is

1251
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: the reason he would win that election is because he

1252
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: symbolizes the vigilantie we're looking for. We're looking and for

1253
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: someone to kick come in and kick ass. Remember that

1254
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 2: you're old enough the old Charles Bronson movies back in

1255
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: the day, right and we've got Reacher today. It's the

1256
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: same thing. When there's times like this where you feel like, wow,

1257
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: the world's out of control and there's dangerous people running

1258
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 2: around with impunity and no one's keeping them in check.

1259
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: We always have the rise of the vigilani Hollywood character

1260
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: right and reach her. I mean kind of sort of

1261
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: fits that role, not like Charles Bronton did back in

1262
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: the day, but that's always been popular. We just need

1263
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: a bad ass to whoop some ast, and we just

1264
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: need someone go whoops some ass with the bad guys

1265
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: here off the record, we kind of this guy's like,

1266
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: you know what, he's with my daughter. He's ready to

1267
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: charges and he's back with it again and he's on it.

1268
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: You probably should get shot. I think he's doing at

1269
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: that case, at sixty seven, maybe doing society a favor.

1270
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: Now he may be I know, this is not justice. No,

1271
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: he should come on. That's horrible. You can't say that

1272
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: because he should have his day in court and the

1273
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: whole thing. But I mean, come on, man, you don't

1274
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 2: think this guy did something. He's arrested on dozens of

1275
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: sex crimes against the fourteen year old who hasn't a car. Again,

1276
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean maybe you know, I'm sure there's someone going, well,

1277
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: the fourteen year old, Well, why was she in the

1278
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: car with him? Why aren't you watching your daughter? Or

1279
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: why was she with Well, she's making your own decision.

1280
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you're fourteen year underage. You can't make those decisions.

1281
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 2: I kind of get what's going on in Arkansas there,

1282
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 2: and it's just it's again a reflection of our times.

1283
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 2: He is somewhat the anti hero. This Aaron Spencer got's comedy.

1284
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: Interesting story. I'd imagine it's probably gonna get a lot

1285
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,919
Speaker 2: more legs. But you know, he still did, indeed murder

1286
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: a man, and you're gonna be sheriff. And I don't

1287
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: know if that enables you to then go do other

1288
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: vigilanti type stuff. But I get where the sentiment is,

1289
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: like I don't know who the other candidate is, but

1290
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 2: this dude's a badass. Like you know, I'm a father

1291
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: of a girl, so I'm with him. Like that stuff

1292
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: goes on. You gotta do what you gotta do. So

1293
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if I do it, but I sure

1294
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: respect the hell out of it. That's for sure. That's

1295
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: for sure. That's going on in Arkansas by the way Arkansas.

1296
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: We gotta get a news update, so coming up in

1297
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 2: just minutes. Here, Dan Horde, voice of the Bengal's gonna

1298
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: jump in Cincinnati Pittsburgh tonight, Thursday Night football. The eyes

1299
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: of the football world are honus here in Cincinnati, says

1300
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: city always looks good. Now we'll get that shot of

1301
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: Mountain Square, will get the shot of the Genius of

1302
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 2: Water Statue. Just disregard the guys with long guns and

1303
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 2: tactical gear on. Never mind that the city's gonna look

1304
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: nice tonight. Hopefully and hopefully there's no knuckleheads doing stuff

1305
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: that overshadow this event. Hopefully the knuckleheads on the field

1306
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: can figure this out and get a win for the

1307
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 2: first time since Joe Burrow went down four straight losing

1308
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: sarshow shirt games losing and look to break that where

1309
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: they win tonight against the Pittsburgh Stale. It's gonna be

1310
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: tough and the icy hot bulls we've been calling it

1311
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: between Joe Flacco and a guy that used to be

1312
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 2: up north that is now over in the East and

1313
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and Aaron Rodgers. Tonight, we'll have the game for you.

1314
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: Our coverage starts at at three o'clock today Live broadcast,

1315
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: Holy Grailed Banks, home of the best Bengals coverage, seven

1316
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: hundred WTM.

1317
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American? All right?

1318
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: Thursday night football circus is in town. Bengals, Steelers, Cincinnati,

1319
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: trying to stop the fourteen bleed and get a win

1320
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: on a short week. It gets a little easier schedule

1321
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: wise with us. You got Jets, you got Bears before

1322
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: the and you got to go there. Of course, back

1323
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh, but Ravens Bills really banged up. You think

1324
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: some of those players will get healthy. Not quite sure

1325
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: about QB one mar Jackson, but we'll see. Patriots are rolling.

1326
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: You got Miami, Arizona, Cleveland. So you know, at this

1327
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 2: point in the season, we're doing the math and trying

1328
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: to get to nine wins. But tonight, tonight feels like

1329
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 2: you can't let Pittsburgh go to five and one on

1330
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: That is the voice of the Bengals. That would be

1331
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 2: Dan Horde this morning on seven hundred w welw and Dan,

1332
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 2: I was talking about you just days ago, and condolences

1333
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 2: to you. Jim Kelly Junior, your broadcast partner for many

1334
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: many years, over two decades passed away from cancer too early.

1335
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: You read that and went, man, I know he was sick,

1336
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: but I didn't know it was his Time's condolences to

1337
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 2: you the Bearcat family. You can't say enough about how

1338
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: good a guy he was.

1339
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking, Slney. Jim Kelly Junior was as good as

1340
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: a gets and I really am having a hard time

1341
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 3: believing I am not going to be having a light

1342
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 3: beer with him tomorrow night at a hotel bar in Stillwater, Oklahoma.

1343
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 3: I joked the other night that Jim Kelly Junior is

1344
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 3: in the Hotel Bar Hall of Fame. There's nothing that

1345
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 3: he liked more than having a beer in his hand,

1346
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 3: talking football with Bearcats fans, meeting the parents of our players,

1347
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 3: hanging out at tailgates, and getting fired up for the

1348
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: upcoming game. People love doing that with him. He loved

1349
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: doing it with them. He's just an awesome person. And man,

1350
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to miss him so much. It came way

1351
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 3: too quickly. Just a few weeks ago, he had had

1352
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 3: a surgical procedure and at that point kind of anticipated

1353
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: he would miss one game and then would be back.

1354
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, cancer sucks and it took his life far

1355
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: too soon.

1356
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: To take so many good people too. And he always

1357
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: struck me as the Joe nuxall of the Bearcats.

1358
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 3: It's a good comparison. His father, Jim Senior, started playing

1359
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 3: for UC in nineteen forty seven and served the athletic

1360
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 3: department for more than half a century as a player, coach,

1361
01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: and the administrator. Then Jim came along, played for Thecats coach,

1362
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 3: briefly went on to be a broadcaster for thirty five years.

1363
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 3: Between him and his dad, there was a Jim Kelly,

1364
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 3: either senior or junior, affiliated with the university for seventy

1365
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 3: eight uninterrupted years. It's just an incredible family legacy. The

1366
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: UC Athletic Hall of Fame is named for his dad.

1367
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 3: Jim Junior is in the Hall of Fame. They're both

1368
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: UC Hall of Famers. So man, he's going to be missed.

1369
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry for the loss. I mean it's it really

1370
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: is tragic. Let's segue to Thursday night football here in Cincinnati,

1371
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: got Pittsburgh in town and I mentioned, you know, you

1372
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: can't let Pittsburgh go to five and one to me, Dan,

1373
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: I think you got to win the night. You gotta

1374
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: feel like you can still control things. You got a

1375
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: divisional opponent in town. Chance to go to three and four,

1376
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: two and zero in the division. You know doesn't need

1377
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: to because you can look at the math and go, yeah,

1378
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 2: could you get to nine? Sure, but boy, it feels

1379
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 2: like a must win the night to me.

1380
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: Well, I know you're a Buffalo Bill's fan, Floony, so

1381
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 3: you can appreciate the great Marv Levy, one of the

1382
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: great coaches of all time. Marv was asked about a

1383
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 3: must win game once and said the last must win

1384
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: was World War Two. So this doesn't necessarily qualify, but

1385
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 3: it is a pivotal game for some of the reasons

1386
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 3: that you described. You don't want Pittsburgh to run away

1387
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: and hide and get the five and one. Having said that,

1388
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: you talked about how the Bengals have an easier schedule

1389
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: coming up. Here's what the Steelers have coming up. The Packers, Colts, Chargers, Bills, Lions.

1390
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 3: Two of their last few games of the season are

1391
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 3: against the Ravens when Lamar should be back. So they're

1392
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 3: probably going to come back to the Pack somewhat, but

1393
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: the climb to catch them gets much easier if you

1394
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 3: can beat them head to head. Tonight, the Bengals would

1395
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: be two and zero in the division. They would have

1396
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 3: had to head win against Pittsburgh in their pockets, right,

1397
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 3: must win, No, but pivotal game, absolutely, Yeah.

1398
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: In Pittsburgh's one of those teams. Strikes me is, you know,

1399
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 2: I don't see them as a big playoffs threat kind

1400
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: of team, but week to week, you know, it's one

1401
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: of the what kind of team are we getting this week?

1402
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 2: They always bring game when they come to Cincinnati.

1403
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the jury is still out somewhat as

1404
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 3: to just how good they are. You look at their

1405
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: four wins so far. They do have two wins against

1406
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 3: teams with winning records to beat the Patriots. Patriots are

1407
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 3: two games over five hundred. They beat the Vikings. The

1408
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: Vikings are one game over five hundred. But in that

1409
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: Patriots game, New England dominated statistically, but turned it over

1410
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 3: five times, including four fumbles, and they lost all four. Now,

1411
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: give Pittsburgh credit for forcing some of those turnovers, but

1412
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 3: there's certainly a luck element there when you fumble at

1413
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: four times and it goes to the other team every time.

1414
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: So Pittsburgh's good. I'm not sure that they have the

1415
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 3: ceiling of a team that can go a long way

1416
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. But they get the best quarterback play

1417
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 3: they've had in a long time out of forty one

1418
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: year old.

1419
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 2: Are now as we know too, health has a long

1420
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: way to go with a two and so last week

1421
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: was the talent two haves. We had the offense and

1422
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 2: defense again, that complimentary game the coaches talk about was

1423
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 2: absent last week in Green Bay. You know, I want

1424
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: to think that Joe Flacca, like the second half was, Hey,

1425
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: I figured it out. Took me a few It took

1426
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: me a half, It took me four or five drives. Okay,

1427
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: they got to the fourth drives, like we started to

1428
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: see him figure things out a little bit more and

1429
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: who he could depend on. Who's a It takes a

1430
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: while to build chemistry.

1431
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 3: We know that.

1432
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: But this week, then if that's the truth, if we've

1433
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: had a strong second half last week offensively, that's got

1434
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: to carry over to tonight. I think you got to

1435
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 2: start with points on them. But he can't go down

1436
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: ten nothing like he did last week.

1437
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 3: They haven't scored a touchdown in the first half since

1438
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow's injury, so they've been down by double digits

1439
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 3: at halftime in each of their last four games. It's

1440
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 3: really hard to dig out of those holes, particularly when

1441
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 3: you're playing good teams. And I don't think Pittsburgh's great,

1442
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 3: but they're certainly good, so they can't be way behind

1443
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: again at halftime. I think you're right about Placo. I

1444
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 3: think he started to feel comfortable in the second half

1445
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 3: last week. He had a passer rating of one oh

1446
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: seven after halftime, completed seventy percent of his passes. So

1447
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 3: I think he should be better over the course of

1448
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:06,480
Speaker 3: four quarters in this game instead of like really struggling

1449
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 3: for the first two and then being really good in

1450
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 3: the last two. And he's certainly used to what he's

1451
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: going to see tonight. I think he's played against Pittsburgh

1452
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 3: twenty five times, including playoff games. He beat him last

1453
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 3: year while playing for the Indianapolis Colts. So there's nothing

1454
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 3: he's going to see tonight that he hasn't seen before.

1455
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think too, as we saw the defense

1456
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: Wilton the second half, how much of that was personnel

1457
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: in schemes, but how much of that was the fact

1458
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: that they really hung around for the first half of

1459
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 2: the football game. And does that begin is that the

1460
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: problem the offense is getting off the field too quickly

1461
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: by the fourth quarter, the defense's gassed. Is it that simple?

1462
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 3: Well, that's certainly been true in some of their games

1463
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 3: this year. I didn't think that was the case as

1464
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 3: much last week because even in the first half, when

1465
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 3: the offense was terrible, the defense wasn't out there for

1466
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 3: a ridiculous long period of time. I mean, it was bad,

1467
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 3: but it wasn't like it was in some of the

1468
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 3: other games. And then in the second half the offense

1469
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 3: had some really long drives. The first drive of the

1470
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 3: second half was a seventeen play drive that should have

1471
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 3: helped the defense, but for whatever reason, the defense couldn't

1472
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: get a stop when they needed to in the second half.

1473
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 3: The Packers obviously had a lot to do with that.

1474
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 3: Jordan Love and that team is really good, but they

1475
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 3: need four quarters out of the defense. They've been getting

1476
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 3: two sometimes two and a half. If they haven't gotten

1477
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: four since Week one.

1478
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to the d in a second, because

1479
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 2: I wanted to wrap up two with tight end. Mike

1480
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: Aseeki's out with that peck injury. Tanner Hudson is out

1481
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: with a concussion. So you're two top two two, So

1482
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 2: are we going to see? Are you gonna see more?

1483
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: No? Ah Fan.

1484
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: Are they going to go to three wide? But then again,

1485
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,919
Speaker 2: Josavas struggled. Well, how do you see the after chasing Higgins?

1486
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 2: What do you see the options as well?

1487
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: They still have three tight ends, so they've lost two

1488
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 3: that they'd defend on in the passing game, but they

1489
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 3: still have three that they're going to use tonight. Noah

1490
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 3: Fan is the best pass catcher among the three they

1491
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: have left three Sample is the best blocker. Cam Grandy

1492
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 3: is more of a blocking type and receiving type, so

1493
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 3: if they throw it to the tight end, it's probably

1494
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 3: going to be no offan. But this team primarily is

1495
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: a three wide receiver, one running back, one tight end team.

1496
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, Yossi Vosh had a lousy game last week,

1497
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 3: but I would expect him to be fine tonight.

1498
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: You get him in or what about Mitch Tinsley.

1499
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: Oh, Yosi Vash is the number three wide receiver, Tintley

1500
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 3: is the number four. They'll both play, but Andre will

1501
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 3: get more snaps.

1502
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: Gotcha all right? So defensive side of the ball, Dan Horde,

1503
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: interesting development, Logan Wilson, you got a captain, You got

1504
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 2: it with a green dot. He's in been in the league.

1505
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 2: What six years. I believe all of a sudden, Barrett

1506
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: Carter is now and he's a rookie. Demetrius Knight junior

1507
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 2: the other one, he's a rookie, and Wilson by far,

1508
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't think is the biggest problem on de Why

1509
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 2: why Logan Wilson.

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: I was really surprised by that one, to tell you

1511
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 3: the truth, I didn't see it coming. I thought that

1512
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 3: Logan Wilson was playing okay, he hadn't made any big plays,

1513
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 3: but I didn't think he was egregiously bad prior to

1514
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 3: last week. But I think this goes back to the

1515
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 3: stuff that we talked about in the off season flony

1516
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: when they signed Jamar and Tea on the same day

1517
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 3: and made their quarterback and their two wide receivers three

1518
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: of the highest paid players in the league. We said, then,

1519
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 3: the formula on defense, because it's the salary cap league,

1520
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 3: will have to be younger and cheaper, and I think

1521
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 3: this is a move in that direction. They've got two

1522
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 3: linebackers that they drafted this year that they like, and

1523
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 3: they want to try to develop them as quickly as possible.

1524
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 3: So I think they're willing to live with some growing,

1525
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 3: growing plant pains and hope that Metrius Knight and Barrett

1526
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 3: Carter can be their duel for a long time going forward.

1527
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I mean that that makes sense. There is

1528
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: wonder if there's a message in there, because you know,

1529
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: I'm going on a list of defensive players that are

1530
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 2: allied for so Logan Wilson is in the top few.

1531
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: But on the they here's some good news. They got

1532
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: some good news. Shamar Stewart is going to play tonight,

1533
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,760
Speaker 2: and it's great to have him back because he looked

1534
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 2: pretty good. Missed the last what four games, had a

1535
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 2: little ankle sprain, and I think he's gone a lot

1536
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 2: of work tonight. Because the other guy in there, Trey Hendrickson,

1537
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 2: is still questionable. We won't ultile what about six forty five,

1538
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 2: six thirty six forty five if he's even going tonight.

1539
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 3: And the fact that he didn't practice all week, well,

1540
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: it's a short week. The fact that he hasn't practiced

1541
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 3: and didn't play in the second half last week against

1542
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 3: Green Bay doesn't bode well. If I had to make

1543
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 3: a guess, I don't think that Trey will play tonight.

1544
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: I hope I'm wrong, but it's good to have Schamar back.

1545
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 3: I thought he looked awesome in Week one against Cleveland.

1546
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 3: Didn't play that much in the second game before he

1547
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 3: suffered his injury, but he had a lot of wild

1548
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 3: moments at training camp and it's going to be fun

1549
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 3: to see him back out there against it.

1550
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and get up to speed in that. You really

1551
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: hope Trey Hendrickson would be back because the man, I'll

1552
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 2: tell you what that all of a sudden, Now you

1553
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: got a little poppy all spark there, and we need

1554
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 2: that right now.

1555
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trey has played extremely well. He's got four sacks,

1556
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,360
Speaker 3: you know. I think he's actually played the run better

1557
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 3: this year than he's ever played it before, which has

1558
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 3: been cool to see. I think the new defensive line coach,

1559
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 3: Terry Montgomery, has really worked with Trey and convinced him that,

1560
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 3: you know, you can be one of the best all

1561
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 3: around defensive ends in the NFL, not just to get

1562
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 3: a great pass rusher. And I think that trade has

1563
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 3: been really good at defending the run. Yeah.

1564
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: Dan Hord Voice of the Bengals Tonight. It is Thursday

1565
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: Night Football at pay Corps, and the lights of the

1566
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: national media are here for us, and we're here for them.

1567
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: Bengals get going eight to fifteen tonight home. The best

1568
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 2: Bengals coverage are. We kick off our live coverage at

1569
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: the Banks at the three o'clock today, So if you're

1570
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: coming down for the game, stop on, buy for a

1571
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: cold one and some Bengals chat. So we got Shamar Stewart.

1572
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 3: That.

1573
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 2: One of the other things and maybe it's too early

1574
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,839
Speaker 2: to talk about this is the rumors about Trey Hendrickson

1575
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: possibly now going to San Francisco. It's that time of year.

1576
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 2: We have the trade deadline coming up soon and players'

1577
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: names are often thrown around. I mean, does that make sense?

1578
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 3: Not yet? You know, we began this by talking about

1579
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 3: how if they win tonight, the right back in the hunt,

1580
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 3: and certainly that's the goal. So if they get the

1581
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 3: deadline and things, Yeah, if they get to the trade

1582
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: deadline and things have spiraled in a terrible direction, then

1583
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 3: you can begin talking about it. But anything being tossed

1584
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 3: out there right now, it's certainly not coming from the Bengals. Yeah.

1585
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rumors go around, but again it's up to

1586
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks to find out if this

1587
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: team can turn things around at least stop the bleed.

1588
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: Until you get Joe Burrow back. The secondary mentioned not

1589
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: the biggest problem the worlds logan Wilson can Taylor Britt

1590
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: continues to get on DA's hill, and DJ Turn, especially

1591
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 2: DJ Turn had a great week. They flashed as well.

1592
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers gets out the ball. I think one of

1593
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 2: the quickest release times in the National Football League, if

1594
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, like well under two point five seconds.

1595
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: Talk about the deep threats there because they brought DK

1596
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: Metcalf over from the Seahawks to address that, and he

1597
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: has been the go to option in that pass game.

1598
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,800
Speaker 3: He's been good. He's everything just under nineteen yards to

1599
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 3: catch and he's really the only guy so far that

1600
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 3: Rogers has been throwing the ball down the field too.

1601
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 3: Rogers has kind of been dinking and dunking this year.

1602
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: You talked about him getting the all out of his

1603
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 3: hands quickly, and that's one of the reasons why he

1604
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 3: doesn't stretch the field like he once did. But he's

1605
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 3: been very effective and they're not asking him to be

1606
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 3: MVP era Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't throw it thirty times

1607
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 3: a game, but he's taking care of the ball. He's

1608
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,559
Speaker 3: only got three interceptions he's not taking sacks. He's only

1609
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 3: been sacked nine times. They don't have a lot of

1610
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 3: negative plays on offense, so they're rarely in like third

1611
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: and ten, third and twelve. They just kind of have

1612
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: been methodically moving down the field. Don't have a great

1613
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,879
Speaker 3: running game, at least not yet. But Rogers has been effective. Im.

1614
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 3: I'll give him credit because I didn't know how much

1615
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: he had left, and he's actually been playing pretty well.

1616
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: He really has. I mean, that's the thing is I

1617
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 2: think maybe sticking it to the Jets. But the Jets

1618
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 2: are you know, they're a wastelander is what that team

1619
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: has been for a long time. So to see him

1620
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 2: come out and go, and I don't want to see

1621
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 2: him do it for Pittsburgh, but I don't like the

1622
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: Jets either. So I don't know what the horse I'm

1623
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 2: backing in this race. How does this defense stop that machine?

1624
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 3: I think you got to try to get a few takeaways.

1625
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a real key tonight.

1626
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 3: Can the Bengals be on the plus side in the

1627
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 3: turnover battle because Pittsburgh is four and one this year,

1628
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 3: because they're plus seven in the takeaway ratio? I mentioned

1629
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 3: they had five takeaways when they beat New England. That's

1630
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,720
Speaker 3: what they're doing. They've been optimistic or opportunistic this year.

1631
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: They've been in close games, their defense gets a take

1632
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 3: away in the fourth quarter, they pull it out. That's

1633
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 3: the type of game the Bengals need to play tonight.

1634
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bengals have a defense that's going

1635
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,599
Speaker 3: to hold any bent buddy to a tiny yardage total.

1636
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 3: That's just not who they are right now. But they

1637
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 3: are capable of getting some takeaways. They got them in

1638
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: the first two games when they won. I think that's

1639
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: going to be a real key to the game tonight. Yeah.

1640
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 2: I bring up with the importance of our the question

1641
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: about our secondary, because they have the fourth fewest rushing

1642
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: yards per game and they don't rush, but they don't

1643
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: run the ball. And yeah, Aaron Rodgers is going to

1644
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: dink and dunk you the other side of the ball

1645
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 2: of Steelers defense. As sure as the sun rises these

1646
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 2: sets on the West end, you know, the Steelers are

1647
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: going to have a pretty good defense year to year.

1648
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's better than pretty good. This year.

1649
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,759
Speaker 3: They've gone back to being of Blitzburg. So we remember

1650
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 3: those days. Dick Leboe as the defensive coordinator and five

1651
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 3: and six guys coming after you on every passing attempt.

1652
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 3: They had gotten away from that a little bit over

1653
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, but they're back to doing that.

1654
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 3: So far this year, they're third in the league in

1655
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 3: blitz percentage. They've got six guys that have multiple sacks,

1656
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 3: led by Nick Herbig, who technically isn't even a starter.

1657
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 3: He's got four and a half sacks. He plays a lot,

1658
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 3: but he's technically not listed as a starter. He's thirty six.

1659
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 3: He's still good. TJ. Watt is still there. He's thirty one.

1660
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 3: He's still good. The guy that I was hoping that

1661
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: the Bengals are going to take in the first round

1662
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 3: this year, Derek Harmon having an excellent rookie year. I'm

1663
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 3: happy the Bengals wound up with Tamar Stewart because I

1664
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 3: think he's going to be great. But I really like

1665
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: Derek Harmon going into the draft, and I think the

1666
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 3: Steelers added another scud to their defense.

1667
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: All right, Well, get out there, score some points early.

1668
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 2: Maybe an important coin toss for the Bengals, quite honestly,

1669
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: because if you get that first drive and get some points,

1670
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 2: you get some momentum going. That's something the Bengals have

1671
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: locked for the last four games for sure. So tonight

1672
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: Dan and Lamp with a call here on the Home

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Speaker 2: Thursday Night Football. Let's get some who Let's get some

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1676
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Speaker 2: cannot make it all five game losing streak. Nonetheless, Dan

1677
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 2: Horde all the best, Buddy, Thanks for checking in this morning.

1678
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: Have a great game, Thanks Lenny. Thursday Night Football eight

1679
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1694
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, I can get buy in

1695
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: crutches because I don't want my beautiful wife to have

1696
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 2: to get up early in the morning and drive me

1697
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: to work like you have been for the past two weeks.

1698
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,720
Speaker 2: That poor woman has sacrificed so much with me being

1699
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 2: on the d L, So thank you for that.

1700
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 7: You're welcome. I'm not sure is that. No, that was

1701
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 7: the most backhanded compliment ever.

1702
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: No, I would say. Somebody said, well, what happened to

1703
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: your scooter? I said, yeah, my wife's been getting for

1704
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: the last two weeks, and it's like, I wouldn't want

1705
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 2: to do that. So I thought, you know, I can

1706
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 2: get around on crutches if the doctors that I can,

1707
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: you can drive if you don't have the medicine. And

1708
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,639
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, for the next week or soever

1709
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: long it takes, I can hobble around. It and yeah,

1710
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: that's uncomfortable, but that's fine. So thanks for driving me

1711
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: for the last two weeks.

1712
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, dear. You know it's you.

1713
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 7: You'll be carting me around soon.

1714
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: Isn't that?

1715
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 2: The thing is, like, you know, as you get older,

1716
01:22:24,479 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: it's all the stuff that you did when you were

1717
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 2: younger that bill comes due, or maybe what you didn't

1718
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: do when you were younger you should have done. But

1719
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: you know, hey, play sports, exercise, try to be relatively fit,

1720
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: which I don't think you're the one of us fit

1721
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 2: in that category. But and now all the osteo stuff

1722
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 2: comes home and go, oh, you got to get this

1723
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: fix and that fix, because why well do you exercise

1724
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 2: like well, you told me I was doing that to

1725
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: get a better quality of life. Yeah that's not true.

1726
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: What a bunch of crap. Everything exists to sell us something.

1727
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do. Let's talk about real

1728
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 2: estate related stuff. I know the tariffs are hitting home.

1729
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: You want to talk about that this morning?

1730
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, let's start with that, because I mean there's a

1731
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 7: lot going on, or there's a little going on in

1732
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 7: the real estate world, depending on what you are, what

1733
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 7: what where you are. I guess but there were new

1734
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 7: tariffs this week that took effect so on imported lumber

1735
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 7: and wooden fixtures took effect on Tuesday, which includes a

1736
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 7: ten percent tariff on oll timber and lumber products and

1737
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 7: a higher twenty five percent And this is this one

1738
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 7: may really hit home for a lot of people, twenty

1739
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 7: five percent on cabinets and furniture. So you know, you're

1740
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 7: seeing the increase. You're going to see the increase of

1741
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 7: pretty much everything that you need in your home is

1742
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 7: the prices are going to go up. And then January first,

1743
01:23:55,160 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 7: wooden furniture is rising to thirty percent tariffs and kitchen

1744
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 7: cabinets fifty percent. Kitchen cabinets and vanities. And people don't

1745
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 7: realize that cabinets are a really significant number, like the

1746
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 7: big number in home buildings.

1747
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: Cabin try is very, very expensive. It's all because there's

1748
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: a lot of labor involved in making a cabinet. You know,

1749
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 2: there are some kinds that you can you can save money.

1750
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 2: There's some that you can kind of assemble yourself that

1751
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: are actually quite good. I'll be honest with I have

1752
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: installed and number of rentals, but as a matter of fact,

1753
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 2: some of those types of cabinets in our laundry room

1754
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 2: at our new house, and you know they're they're fantastic.

1755
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 2: If they work, they're warranted to the whole bit. Now,

1756
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 2: when you get to the hardwoods and veneer woods and

1757
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: custom cabinets, that can be exorbitant because there's a lot

1758
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,759
Speaker 2: of labor, and now you add the cost of important materials,

1759
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 2: and so that's.

1760
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 7: Right, we have the costs cabinets and countertops account for

1761
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 7: about twenty thousand dollars on average for a new build,

1762
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 7: so about five percent is wrapped up in your cabinets

1763
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 7: and countertops. That's why most people will keep their cabinets,

1764
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 7: especially in their kitchens, until they're literally falling off the hinches.

1765
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 7: You know they're going to be repainted, they're going to

1766
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 7: be you're going to just try to find anyway not

1767
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 7: to replace those cabinets, because when you get into replacing cabinets,

1768
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 7: when you're doing at home renovations, you're looking at tens

1769
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 7: of thousands of dollars, right, You're looking at ten or

1770
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 7: twenty thousand dollars for new cabinets, and you're like, oh,

1771
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 7: is there any way I can get away with the

1772
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 7: ones that I've got? And you know, like I said,

1773
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 7: we've seen some cabinets that have been around fifty years

1774
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 7: or more because people just don't want to even the

1775
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 7: cabinets in our new house, our old cabinets that were

1776
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:55,520
Speaker 7: refurbished and were painted. And so the business of repainting

1777
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 7: cabinets has really increased over the years. It's become common,

1778
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 7: it's commonplace. The quality is so much better when you're

1779
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 7: repainting cabinet. People will ask me, you know, I've got this.

1780
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,759
Speaker 7: Maybe it's maple, maybe it's a different type of the woods,

1781
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 7: but I'm tired of this wood color. You know, I

1782
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 7: don't want to the dark cherry color that's been out

1783
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 7: for a while. Can I paint my cabinet? The answer

1784
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 7: is absolutely yes, and there are some really good companies

1785
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 7: and individuals out there who will do it well. Because

1786
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 7: if you don't do it well and you don't take it,

1787
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 7: if you try to just paint on your cabinet just

1788
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 7: willy nilly like you, we're going to.

1789
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 2: But people will pay big money for hand paint and

1790
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: custom cabinet. So it's what's the difference. And I'd say,

1791
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: if you're fine with some brushstrokes in that and maybe

1792
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: some perfect you can definitely there's a lot of good

1793
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 2: kits in the technology in the last ten years. Agot

1794
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: in phenomenal relative to cabinet paint, and you know, blending

1795
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 2: those lines make it look like it's sprayed. If if

1796
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 2: that's not for you, you're not handy, don't want to

1797
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 2: do that, or maybe a little bit money, but you

1798
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: want to do new cabinets, you can have a professional

1799
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 2: painter come in. They'll take the cabinet doors off, take

1800
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: them and spray them and then probably handpaint the trim.

1801
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: It'll look really, really good. You can go that route

1802
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 2: much cheaper. There's companies that come and reface cabinets and

1803
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 2: put them in the ear on top of the old

1804
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 2: one and you really won't notice. There's a little bit

1805
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 2: you can tell when the doors are open. It's a

1806
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: little bit different. But I mean really for the cost

1807
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: savings is it's night and day and they can do

1808
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 2: that in a day or two. Yeah, there's all sorts

1809
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 2: of different options you can. And the other thing too

1810
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 2: is if you have old cabinets, I think you just

1811
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:31,879
Speaker 2: have to look at them or I have a professional

1812
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: look and go all right, how good is the carcass,

1813
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 2: which is the box itself. I mean, you think about it.

1814
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 2: A cabinet is just a box that sits on the floor,

1815
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 2: it hangs on the wall, It doesn't go anywhere. The

1816
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: hinges may wear out, the doors may wear out, but

1817
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 2: those things are replaceable. I would say, if the bones,

1818
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 2: if the cabinet and the carcass are good, and you're

1819
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: looking at a cost of brand new cabinets, you may

1820
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 2: want to rethink that whole process because you want to

1821
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: lean more towards what we're talking about here.

1822
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 3: Now.

1823
01:27:58,400 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 2: You know, if you have the money and you want

1824
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: to do cabinets, absolutely knock yourself out. But for sure,

1825
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of ways to go about saving the

1826
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 2: ones you have because the older they are generally, I mean,

1827
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: unless they're you know, particle board or something like that,

1828
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: which you do see and you see, let's face, a

1829
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 2: cabinet that's fifty years now, thirty to fifty years old,

1830
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 2: you may you're probably going to have to replace that.

1831
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you have something that's a hardwood and

1832
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 2: old wood or something like that, my god, yeah, those

1833
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: things will last. You know, get new doors to hardware

1834
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: right as a.

1835
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 7: Particle board if that was used, just like anything, if

1836
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 7: you're putting glasses, you know, out of the dishwasher that

1837
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 7: they're still a little bit wet, and you're putting them

1838
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 7: in your cabinets, that surface is going to wear a

1839
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 7: lot quicker. And you can always put different kinds of

1840
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 7: shelving materials and cover that up and get get a

1841
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,799
Speaker 7: few more years out of it. But if you're planning

1842
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 7: to build a home anytime in the next twelve months,

1843
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 7: just expect that builders are going to be passing on

1844
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 7: the cost of tariff to you. And we're looking at

1845
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 7: anywhere between the estimates are going to be about fourteen

1846
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 7: percent higher, potentially about ten thousand dollars on the average home.

1847
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 7: You're going to see increases. So it's definitely going to

1848
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 7: cost and the whole I guess the reason why the

1849
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 7: tariff starts trying to get more and more American would

1850
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 7: putting being put back into the timber right to be

1851
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 7: put back into the system. And that's going to take

1852
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 7: some time. Like that's not something you can't take those

1853
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 7: sawmills and just crank them up.

1854
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 2: I just crank it out. Yeah, it's and you got

1855
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 2: to grow a tree. So seventy percent of the lumber

1856
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: we use some talking about softwood lumber, because hardwoods can

1857
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 2: be exotic and come from different countries, but soft on one,

1858
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 2: let's talk about tine right, softwood lumber, It's seventy percent

1859
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,120
Speaker 2: of it comes from Canada, and as does supply wood.

1860
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 2: So even drywall. I was in the price of drywall,

1861
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 2: I was looking at drywall fixing something. I'm like, my god,

1862
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 2: if she had a drywall, now was what she'd apply

1863
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 2: withou she plywood used to be not long ago, same things.

1864
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 2: You know, seventy percent of the gypsum comes from Mexico,

1865
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 2: so you know, we have the duties on all this stuff.

1866
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: It's just driving the cost up. And then you add

1867
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 2: in steel and aluminum and plastic pipe and copper, and

1868
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 2: now appliances of course too, are are deeply affected by

1869
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: this as well, because we import about eighty percent of

1870
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 2: our aluminum and almost twenty percent of our steel, So

1871
01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 2: all the stuff is going up. You just I'm waiting

1872
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 2: for the jobs to come at this point, Okay, we're

1873
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 2: getting We're getting killed right now when it comes to

1874
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 2: building supplies and housing and everything out everything that we buy.

1875
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 2: And I'm waiting for the jobs to be created and

1876
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 2: get these prices backing at least some sort of trade

1877
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: balance to go in effect, but we're not seeing.

1878
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 7: That yet well, and we did experience some supply chain

1879
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,799
Speaker 7: issues back in twenty twenty when we had the pandemic.

1880
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 7: We're likely to see a little bit of that supply

1881
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:02,640
Speaker 7: chain disruption as well because of the tariffs. So there

1882
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 7: may be some shortages in some areas, some increases. It

1883
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 7: just may take some time, so those costs are going

1884
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 7: to be handed over to consumers. You may see delays

1885
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 7: and the long term implication certainly it could take a

1886
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 7: couple of years to sort of straighten itself out, and

1887
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 7: maybe we'll be better off in the long run. Again,

1888
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 7: we'll have to wait and see. We'll have to wait

1889
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 7: and see.

1890
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it squeezed a lot of people.

1891
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:34,040
Speaker 2: I think. Is that also ending the fact that we're

1892
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 2: seeing a stagnant real estate market right now.

1893
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 7: The real estate market right now is definitely trending down

1894
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 7: a little bit for sure. The average days on market

1895
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 7: in the Cincinnati area are around forty five days on market.

1896
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 7: So when you lift a home, and this is the

1897
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,879
Speaker 7: frustration that I have because most consumers maybe don't realize,

1898
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 7: oh they you know, they keep telling me, Oh, the

1899
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 7: market's the market's greatre You're gonna sell your house in

1900
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 7: a day. Yeah, it's not going to happen in a

1901
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 7: day most likely now, And you have to put on

1902
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 7: a lot of patients. So even I had a new

1903
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 7: listing go on with one of my agents yesterday and

1904
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 7: by the end of the day she's like, uh, we

1905
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 7: don't have any showings scheduled yet. I'm like, yeah, and

1906
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 7: you may not for a few days because byers buyers

1907
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,680
Speaker 7: are really taking their time. A lot of them have

1908
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 7: hunkered down, i think for the rest of this year

1909
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,680
Speaker 7: and they're not going to make a change, and so

1910
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 7: there are fewer buyers out there looking they are. If

1911
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 7: you are looking, and you are a buyer, you probably

1912
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 7: have very very specific needs. You may want a ranch

1913
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 7: in a certain price range and maybe that doesn't exist

1914
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 7: or it doesn't exist, and that might that type of

1915
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 7: a property myself very very quickly. But overall, a lot

1916
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 7: of just really really nice homes are on the market

1917
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 7: right now, and they have been for forty five days

1918
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 7: or more, and sellers are getting a little nervous, and

1919
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 7: so we're seeing a lot of uncertainty in the real

1920
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 7: estate market. And with that uncertainty, you know, becomes opportunities

1921
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 7: for buyers. So I tell buyers, right now, the mortgage

1922
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 7: interest rates around six point three five or something like that,

1923
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,759
Speaker 7: depending on your credit, so it's less than seven percent,

1924
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 7: and there are opportunities out there. Don't be afraid to

1925
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 7: look at a home that's been on the market for

1926
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 7: a long time. There's nothing wrong with it. You know

1927
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 7: it used to be in the day. Well, that house

1928
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 7: has been on the market for three weeks because there

1929
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 7: must be something wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with

1930
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 7: that house. It's perfectly great. It just may not have

1931
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 7: had the right buyer walk through. And I very much

1932
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 7: encourage people if you are a buyer and you are

1933
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 7: looking sort of broaden maybe what you're looking for and

1934
01:33:58,200 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 7: take a look at a few of the houses that

1935
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 7: have been on the market for a minute, because those

1936
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 7: sellers are going to be more willing to negotiate. And

1937
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:09,240
Speaker 7: that's something that you may now you're not gonna Let's

1938
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 7: not go back to those days, because I've been in

1939
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 7: this business, as you know, for twenty years. Let's not

1940
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 7: go back to the days when we're putting in offers

1941
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 7: that are thirty thousand dollars less from less price.

1942
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 2: That's just that's not going to happen.

1943
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 7: Pits and going to make people really mad, and don't

1944
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 7: just don't.

1945
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 2: Do that, Please don't do it out there. But everyone

1946
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 2: wants a deal in a bargain. And how that happened

1947
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,400
Speaker 2: when we sold our house. Unfortunately we you know, did

1948
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 2: it right now at the right time. I got you know,

1949
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 2: you made me think speaking of our old house, same

1950
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 2: thing as people. You know, you've also got to take

1951
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,920
Speaker 2: a step back and go, okay, is there something wrong

1952
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 2: with this house or isn't an opportunity here?

1953
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: And on that.

1954
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 2: When we bought our first of the house, when we

1955
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 2: moved here and I got twenty something years ago, it

1956
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,760
Speaker 2: was backing up to a field where they were doing

1957
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 2: site work on and it was going to be a

1958
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 2: I think light and dust basically is what they were

1959
01:35:01,080 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 2: calling this. And they had people coming through the house

1960
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: and no one would touch it because they're afraid this

1961
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 2: big factory was going to go in the backyard. I'm like, well,

1962
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 2: first of all, you know it's Mason, how much of

1963
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 2: a factory going to put in there? And then secondly,

1964
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 2: looking at the the guy had the architectural plans out

1965
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 2: there and you know, looking at what it was going

1966
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 2: to be and what the restrictions were, and also landscaping

1967
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 2: can kind of go a long way too. So we

1968
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 2: looked at it and said, you know what, I think

1969
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 2: this is the fact that people see bulldozers and freak out.

1970
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 2: You know, you're going to be looking through someone's back

1971
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 2: window in the suburbs, or in this case, it was

1972
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 2: likely and you know, there were restrictions in place when

1973
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 2: they could do deliveries, and we're looking at it, going, okay,

1974
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 2: this is we can do some landscaping in the backyard.

1975
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 2: And you know, it turns out it was probably one

1976
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 2: of the best investments who ever made, not only because

1977
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 2: we raised our kids there, but then we turned around

1978
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: and sold and the people loved it because it's like,

1979
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it's so nice in private back here. Well, yeah,

1980
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 2: because you know you saw that coming and you know

1981
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 2: we're lucky to get that opportunity. But also, I think

1982
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 2: when you're doing this, you can't you can't. Well there's

1983
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 2: a reason why. So though you know it's been on

1984
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 2: the market for two months or whatever, well why is that?

1985
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 2: You know, find out why, and then actually think about hey,

1986
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 2: can I work around this, because then you can find

1987
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:07,719
Speaker 2: a bargain.

1988
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:10,720
Speaker 7: Is it really going to affect the way that you

1989
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 7: live your life? And you know, we really we love

1990
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 7: the fact that we didn't have neighbors looking in our

1991
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 7: windows in the backyard. We had the privacy for the

1992
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 7: most part. But you know that that's something that you

1993
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 7: can also create once you buy a home like that

1994
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 7: and you have the understanding. Some people just they don't

1995
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 7: want to take on what they consider the risk, and

1996
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 7: there's always ways around it. Like you said, there's landscaping

1997
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,879
Speaker 7: and the trees that you can buy that will provide

1998
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:51,240
Speaker 7: screens and it won't completely If you're backed up to

1999
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 7: a road, that's not always going to be the best location.

2000
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 7: But then again maybe not, maybe it is.

2001
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 3: It's going to be good.

2002
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 2: Bottom line is you know, just take a pause and

2003
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 2: just because everyone else is doing it, just stop and

2004
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 2: think and you know, think about the problem for a

2005
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: minute and maybe there's an opportunity to there for anyway.

2006
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 2: My wife, Michelle Sloane Sloan sales homes dot com, openhouse

2007
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 2: show via the iHeartRadio app and podcasts of course on

2008
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 2: YouTube as well, and she's in Main Villa remax time.

2009
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 2: All right, Levey, thanks again. I gotta goat, gotta go.

2010
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,160
Speaker 2: Willie is on the way. We are on the Terry

2011
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 2: Thigi Chief Terry Thigi career deathwatch right now, and she's

2012
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 2: going to fall on the sword for the incompetent administration

2013
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 2: of the City of Cincinnati haws crime to run ramp

2014
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,720
Speaker 2: and then blames the chief and has to do with

2015
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,000
Speaker 2: the stupid policies, I think, But nonetheless we'll keep an

2016
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:37,719
Speaker 2: eye out for that. And of course we've got Thursday

2017
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 2: night football tonight, Bengals and Steelers tonight, and it all

2018
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,360
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2019
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2020
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:48,439
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2021
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