1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Boston's new radio. Thank you very much, Al Griffin. Well, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: last night at this hour we took up an issue 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: that generated a lot of interesting phone calls on both 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: sides of the issue. By the way, let me give 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: you the background of the story and tell you what 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: the developments were today. One of the things that I 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: like to do here in Nightside is to follow through 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: and make you folks bring conclusion to stories. Last night 10 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: we talked with that couple down by the Sagamore Bridge 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: who are potentially losing their home to Eminent Domain. But 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: the story we're talking about tonight deals with this church 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: in Debti. It's a Catholic church in Dadam called Saint Susannah. 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: The pastor who's been there for a while his name 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: is Father Stephen Josuma. He has on the occasion used 16 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: the Nativity scene, which is often the scene that appears 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: at Catholic churches. Also, I assume any Christian church of 18 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: the around the around the Christmas season to celebrate the 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: birth of Jesus uh and the normal Nativity scene will 20 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: basically replicate what Catholics and Christians believe happened uh, two 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: thousand or so years ago when Jesus was born, uh 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: in a in a manger inside but you know, probably 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: was a dilapidated barn under very difficult circumstances that his 24 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: mother and father had had fled an area to avoid 25 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: being found out the king at the time, King Herod, 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: wanted to kill all these children under the age of whatever, 27 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, who recently had been born as the story, 28 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: as the Christmas story goes, and they fled. I was 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: born in a manger, and angels game and shepherds and 30 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: wise men and all of that. So it's a time when, 31 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: you know, if the birth of Jesus was not the 32 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: son of God, well, really the whole purpose of Christianity, 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: the entire concept of the religion of Christianity, really rises 34 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: or falls on that event. And I don't want to 35 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: get theological here, that's not my purpose. But the point 36 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: is people celebrate Christmas as the joyous time of year. 37 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: And this particular priest who we did invite to come 38 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: on the show last night, and I believe that he 39 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: would have come on except he apparently had a trip 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: that he was taking to Maine. And if he wants 41 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: to come on next week he can. He basically set 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: up or had his parishion to set up the Nativity scene, 43 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: which includes again the wise men and shepherds and you 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: know animals that would be found in a bard at 45 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: the time, Coyle's and sheep. But he took the child 46 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: baby Jesus and his parents Mary and Joseph and replaced 47 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: him with a sign that said Ice was here and 48 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: made a political statement. Back in twenty eighteen, the same 49 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: church do national attention with a Nativity scene that showed 50 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Baby Jesus trapped in a cage, a protest against the 51 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: first Trump administration's policy of separating families at the border. Now, ironically, 52 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: if you've been listening to our show tonight, we had 53 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: a really interesting caller. We had several interesting callers last hour, 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: but I want to point out Jr. From Waltham who 55 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: told me he's fifty one. He was born in al 56 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: Salvador and came here to this country legally, spent ten 57 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: years on a wait list to apply to become a 58 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: citizen in this country, went through all sorts of testing, 59 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: did it the right way. He is now a commercial 60 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: driver truck driver and hopefully has laid the foundation for 61 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: a great future in this country. He's proud to be 62 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: an American. I'm proud to call him a fellow American, 63 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: and I hope all of you are as well. And 64 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: he's done it the right way. That is not the 65 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: people that ICE are trying to get out of this country. 66 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: They are looking at criminals, and I think the Trump 67 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: administration and ICE needs to do a better job of 68 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: making people understand that the people who are being removed 69 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: from this country are people who came here illegally and 70 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: have criminal backgrounds. I mean, I am not looking to 71 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: see people thrown out of this country who are here 72 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: and have been here for a while and have complied 73 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: with our laws, even though they might have come in 74 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: here illegally. I'm more concerned about the people who are 75 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: here and are going to cause problems or have already 76 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: caused problems. And that is what I think the Trump administration, 77 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: if they're smart, and sometimes I don't think they're very smart, 78 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: needs to focus on because cameras are everywhere, and when 79 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: when someone who is not an illegal immigrant who is 80 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: a problem, and it's someone who is a legal immigrant 81 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: here or or illegal immigrant here but has been working 82 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: and living a respectable life that's that. That is what 83 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: should be highlighted. 84 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 85 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, for some reason, the Trump administration is not 86 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: drawing those distinctions. And if they are, if they are 87 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: drawing those distinctions, they are not making it clear. And 88 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: I think that they can if they want to. I 89 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: would hope that they want to. But well, will weigh 90 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: in on that. But the point is that today and 91 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if the arch Diocese was listening to 92 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: our show last night, but they released a statement today 93 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: which I want to congratulate the arch diocese on because 94 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: I think that the statement that they released, I thought 95 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: it was just really well at well written and well 96 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: thought out, and I want to read it to you. 97 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: The arch diocese statement is as follows. The people of 98 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: God have a right to expect that when they come 99 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: to church they will encounter genuine opportunities for prayer and 100 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: Catholic worship, not divisive political messaging. That's the key phrase. 101 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: The Church's norms prohibit the use of sacred objects for 102 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: any purpose other than the devotion of God's people. This 103 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: includes images of the Christ Child and the Manger, which 104 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: ought to be used solely to fall to faith and devotion. 105 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: Regarding the recent incident. Saint Susanna Parish neither requested nor 106 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: received permission from the archdiocese to depart from this canonical 107 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: norm or to place a politically divisive display outside the church. 108 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: The display should be removed and the manger restored to 109 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: its proper, sacred purpose. That is a statement from Terry Donellan, 110 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: Secretary for Communications and Public Affairs of the Archdiocese of Boston. 111 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: So last night we had a very spirited conversation, and 112 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: you know, do I think that the priest out there, 113 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: Father Josama, has a right to have his beliefs, Absolutely, 114 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: no question. He has an opportunity every week to speak 115 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: from the altar and deliver a homily. And I've sat 116 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: through many homilies in the Catholic Church which I thought 117 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: were overtly more political than than that I would like. 118 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: But that's I'm not the priest. I'm not the priest. 119 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: But I think when you take the Nativity scene, as 120 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: this pastor did, and try to turn it into a 121 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: political statement, how would you like to be? Someone said 122 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to me today, how would you like to be an 123 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: ice officer going to your family at Saint Susannah on 124 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: Sunday or Saturday afternoon you would, you would feel very uncomfortable, 125 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: I assume. And again the point that I'm trying to 126 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: make is that ICE is out there doing a job 127 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: getting people out of the country who the American people 128 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: voted for, who supported in the two election. We went 129 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: through four years of Joe Biden with completely open borders. 130 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: You had statements made by the Homeland Security Director at 131 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: the time that the borders were secure. Those were liies. 132 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: He knew those relies. I knew those relies. You know 133 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: those relies. There were anywhere between fifteen twenty I don't 134 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: know more million people who committed this country during the 135 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: Biden administration. Some of them, I'm sure were good people. 136 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: But being a good person is not enough. We want 137 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: good people like Jr. Who called us last hour, But 138 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: we need people who are coming in for the right reasons, 139 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: who are coming here because they want to live as Americans, 140 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: who want to come here, work hard, who want to 141 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: come here, raise a family, who want to come here 142 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: and do all the things that most Americans do. Want 143 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: to live their life and freedom want to live there 144 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: a lifestyle that in some countries around the world is 145 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: not accepted. That in some countries around the world, the 146 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: lifestyle that people live in America. They have to do 147 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: it in hiding, and if they don't do it in hiding, 148 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: they risk imprisonment or worse. That's what America is all about. 149 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: And the only way we can do that and maintain 150 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: some level of decorum is to do it right. So 151 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: I want to say congratulations to the Archdiocese of Boston 152 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: for standing up for in my opinion, calling it as 153 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: it should have been. I want to congratulate the new 154 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: Archbishop of Boston, Archbishop Henning, who took a position that 155 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure some will disagree with, but as I understand it, 156 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: the Archbishop was very much involved in a recent special 157 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: message on immigration from an assembly in Baltimore, which is 158 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: available through the Office of Public Affairs. I just think 159 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: that I'm delighted. I hope that Father Joe Soma comes 160 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: on this show next week. He will be welcome to 161 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: come on here. I think what he did was he 162 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: basically tried to take and use the Nativity scene, which 163 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: is the most fundamental element of the Catholic faith, for 164 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: a political position that he believes it, but it is 165 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: not a position that should be displayed, and certainly the 166 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: Nativity scene should not be used for a politically divisive action. 167 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: And I say congratulations to the arch Bishop, congratulations the archdiocese. 168 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: And I'd like to hear from some of you. If 169 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: you happen to be Catholic and you share the thought 170 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: and the feeling that I have, I'd love to have 171 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: you join me. If you disagree with me, if you 172 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: think that somehow this priest's first Amendment rites have been 173 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: in any way limited, I'd love to talk to you 174 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: about that as well. Six one seven, two, five, four 175 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one thirty. I 176 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: would like to think, and I don't know this for sure, 177 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: I would like to think that our conversation about this 178 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: last night, as heated as it was upon occasion, with 179 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: some of the calls that maybe that drew to the 180 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: archdiocese attention, that there were some people who looked at 181 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: this as as an improper use of this very special 182 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: part of the Catholic religion, Christmas, the Birth of Christ 183 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, 184 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: one ten thirty. I think it is a step in 185 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: the right direction for the Catholic Church. That is not 186 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: to say that this priest does not have his rights 187 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: to say whatever he wants to say, but I don't 188 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: think he can. He can go to the point, as 189 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: the Archdiocese has said, and and engage and basically utilize 190 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: the Nativity scene and the and Christmas Day because that's 191 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: what Christmas Day is all about. For whatever point of 192 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: view he may he may hold. We're coming back on Nightside. 193 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: I hope you light these lines up because this is 194 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 1: something that I think is important, whether you are a 195 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: Catholic or not, whether or not you're practicing Catholic or not. 196 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: I think that they need to be standards within any organization. 197 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: And I think that the Archdiocese has done the right 198 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: thing here and I congratulate them. Coming back on Nightside, 199 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray one BS Boston's 200 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: News Radio. You can check all of the websites that 201 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: you want to check. But the Trump administration is trying 202 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: to do what they can to get bad people out 203 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: of this country. However, what I think they need to 204 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: do is focus more closely on people who not only 205 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: here illegally, but either have a criminal record before they 206 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: got here a criminal record after they got here. Now 207 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that some of you apparently do not want 208 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: to comment on this, So I'm going to give you 209 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: one opportunity, and if not, we'll go to something else. 210 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: But I think that this story is one and maybe 211 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: you haven't followed it. Maybe people don't read newspapers anymore. 212 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: But if you're in debtam and you're a member of 213 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: this church, if you're familiar with it, the archdiocese has 214 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: basically said to this priest, hey, you have you've overstepped 215 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: what what we would like you to do. And they 216 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: have basically said we we are not interested in divisive 217 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: political messaging. And I think that's important, I really do. 218 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a matter of civil rights. Uh, 219 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: this is this is it's every issue that comes up 220 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: is there's disagreements. There are people out there protesting against 221 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: the ice arrests. However, however, I think the vast majority 222 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: of Americans, and I'd love to know what you think, 223 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: the vast majority of Americans are okay. As a matter 224 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: of fact, they voted for a president who pledged to 225 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: get people out of this country who have come here 226 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: for for the wrong reasons. And that's what we are 227 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: simply talking about tonight. Uh. And when you see a 228 00:15:54,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: sign at a Nativity size scene rather at a Catholic 229 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: church turned into a divisive political statement. There's no way 230 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: that in any community in Massachusetts or anywhere else, that 231 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: there is unanimity on a question like this. And so 232 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to just give you an opportunity. We have 233 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: a newscast coming up in a couple of minutes. I 234 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: say the Archdiocese has done the right thing here in 235 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,239 Speaker 1: basically saying to this priest, who again, you know, displayed 236 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: this inclination during Trump's first term to basically take a 237 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: position and politicize the Catholic religion. I just think that 238 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: this is not neither the time nor the place, And 239 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: if you happen to be Catholic, I would love to 240 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts on it. I will tell you that 241 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: the arch Diocese has said to this priest, people have 242 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: gone have the right to expect when they come to 243 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: church they'll encounter genuine opportunities for prayer and Catholic worship, 244 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: not divisive political messaging. And regarding the recent incident, Saints 245 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: Susanna Parish neither requested nor received permission from the archdiocese 246 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: to depart from this canonical norm or to place a 247 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: politically divisive display outside the church. The display should be 248 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: removed and the manger restored to its proper sacred purpose. 249 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: I agree, and I congratulate Archbishop Henning for taking a 250 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: position that I know some people will criticize him for. 251 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: And if you want to criticize him, that's fine, But 252 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: I would much prefer to hear from people who listen 253 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: to this program and who have a thought on this, 254 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: because I think this is an easy call, and I 255 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: think that the church here in Massachusetts did the right thing. 256 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: Six one, seven two ten thirty six seven nine, three, 257 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 1: ten thirty. Coming right back on Night Side. It's Night 258 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Side with Dan Ray, Boston's news Radio. By the way, 259 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: real quickly here before and we do have full lines, 260 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: and everybody stay right there. I'll get you. This is 261 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: a press release from ICE, which I think is indicative 262 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: of what's going on. ICE arrests two criminal illegal aliens 263 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: convicted of endangering children. These are women. ICE arrested two 264 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: criminal illegal aliens convicted of heinous crimes against children in 265 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: back to back targeted operations in New Jersey and Texas. 266 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: One Gladys Letitia Boosta monte Rios of Honduras and Maria 267 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: Alexandra Camaro Quinonez of Guatemala, both in ice custody. Boost 268 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: To Monte had been previously removed from the US and 269 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: was barred from ever re entering, and Gamarro has a 270 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: final order of removal. Boost deamonte illegally entered the US 271 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven when she was charged with assault 272 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: and a family offense sentenced to five years in prison. 273 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: On August seventeenth, nineteen ninety eight, an immigration judge ordered 274 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: her removed and prohibited her from ever re entering the country. 275 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: This is like almost thirty years ago. She was removed 276 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: on July thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine. Busdamnte illegally re entered 277 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: the country, which is a felony, so she was here 278 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: from July thirtieth, nineteen ninety nine. On November ninth, twenty 279 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: twenty five, ICE officers arrested her near her residence. She 280 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: will remain in ice custody pending her removal. She was 281 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: here for twenty five years after having been convicted of 282 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: a felony. Gomara, who entered the US legally on a 283 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: visitor visa, was what was required to leave the country 284 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: by April twenty seventh, two thousand and seven, but failed 285 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: to do so. Ice encountered her in New Jersey's Sussex 286 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: County jail on August fourteenth, twenty thirteen, after local authorities 287 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: arrested her for theft. She posted a two thousand dollars 288 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: bond was noticed with it was released with a note 289 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to appear before a Department of Justice immigration judge. On 290 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: April first, twenty twenty five, an immigration judge in Chelmsford, 291 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: Massachusetts ordered her removed. Ice arrested her November tenth in Graham, Texas, 292 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: where she was reporting for probation after a judge deferred 293 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: adjudication in her child endangerment and abandonment case. She will 294 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: remain in ICE custody pending her removal. If you cut 295 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: through all of this, these are people who've been living 296 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: here for over a quarter of a century after having 297 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: been convicted of crimes here. These are the people that 298 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: the Trump administration and ICE should highlight and emphasize and emphasize. 299 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: Let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to kenon 300 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: Waldam first. Ken, welcome back, Welcome to Night Side. Your 301 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: thoughts on what the archdiocese has ordered today? 302 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a super strong opinion on that. 303 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: I think overall, I think what this, what was done 304 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: in den him is basically ineffective. I mean, who are 305 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 2: you whose mind or you're trying to change and you 306 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: know it's really going to work well. 307 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: I think what the Archdiocese was concerned about was that 308 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: whatever portion of their you know, church members at this 309 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: parish who support sign, that's fine. But if you're going 310 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: there and you happen to be an ICE officer or 311 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: you the parents of an ICE officer, do you really 312 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: feel welcome at that church? And I think that's the 313 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: divisive aspect of it that the Archdiocese is basically addressing. 314 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: But that's what I wanted to throw at you. What 315 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 2: I think is happening for people who support this, and 316 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 2: I wouldn't consider myself one of them. Is when you 317 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: see like abregoor Garcia sent to El Salvador and you know, 318 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: which was against a direct judges order that he not 319 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: be sent back, I think, what what's happening with that? 320 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: And the many other things things you've covered, you know, 321 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: the woman from Toffs and things like that, and you 322 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: know ice people in that, you know, I think outrageous behavior, 323 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: this kind of behavior. I keep thinking if if the 324 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: parents should put this crash up during the Obama administration, say, 325 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 2: I mean, I think everybody would say, what's what's he doing? Right? 326 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: Because it wasn't that even though Obama I think the 327 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: boarded more people than Trump in his first you know, 328 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: than Trump's first administration. Uh, it wasn't controversial and people 329 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: would say, you know, what's going on? But I think 330 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: when people are really outraged at Trump, as they were 331 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 2: always going to. 332 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: Be outraised, a Trump can't well does matter, yes, but 333 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: they were outraged at him when he took out the Iranian, 334 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: when he took a round off the nuclear stage. They 335 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: were outraged the Trump when he closed the border. They're 336 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: going to be outraged at Trump at anything, but we 337 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: gotta In my opinion, I. 338 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: Don't disagree with I mean, I do disagree with you 339 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 2: on that actually, because you you know, like you said yourself, 340 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: you hoped when Obrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador, 341 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: and you said, you know, if the Trump administration realizes 342 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: they made a mistake, they should correct this, and they 343 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 2: brought him back. Well yeah, but kicking and screaming, right, 344 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: I mean you heard Christinomes say he's never coming back. 345 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: This is an MS three criminal. 346 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: You know, I came back. He's now under indictment and 347 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: he's going to stand trial. You know, they brought him back, and. 348 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, not because they made not 349 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: because they think they made a mistake, though they brought 350 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 2: but guess what, Guess. 351 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: What the fact of the matter is they brought him 352 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: back if they said, we don't care. There was a 353 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: woman arrested yesterday. I saw the video on television. She 354 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: was a US citizen. Did you see that video? I 355 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: did not, Okay from a distance. Somebody shot the video 356 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: and and she was, you know, put in in coffs 357 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: and she was screaming, I'm a US citizen. Guess what. 358 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: She was a US citizen. She was released. Now, I 359 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't want that happen to me. I wouldn't want it 360 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: to happen to you. I didn't want it to happen 361 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: to her. Mistakes are made. What what is the alternative? 362 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: The If the alternative is to say there is that 363 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: we're not going to deport anybody that way, nobody will 364 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: be deported illegally. 365 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: The alternative is to do exactly what you said. Okay, 366 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: to highlight the really bad guys. 367 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: Okay, talking about a couple of women who have been 368 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: here a long time. 369 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, Dan, if you were running this show, it 370 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: would be so much different. 371 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: It would be it would be would be appreciate that. 372 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 373 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: So my point I think what's happening is, I mean 374 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: the Biden administry, Biden thumb just knows that the country 375 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: for three and a half years, well, you know, I 376 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: think with six months ago he finally changed the border 377 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: policy right to be more normal. 378 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: He did, the people around him probably changed it well 379 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: six months ago or whatever, you know, it would be 380 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: now a year and a half ago. I don't think 381 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,239 Speaker 1: Joe was cooking on all. 382 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: Well. 383 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: I think I think the one thing I think that 384 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: wasn't the issue. I think the one thing Trump and 385 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: Biden have in common is an incredible level of stubbornness. 386 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 2: But I think what you know, the people who are 387 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: outraged and it certainly was too and Biden with I 388 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: mean is the country for four years, would probably accept 389 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: outrageous type behavior similar to what this priest Dentam did 390 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 2: because the behavior is so bad, and I think people 391 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 2: on the left will accept the crash and be okay 392 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: with it because they think the Trump administration is so outrageous. 393 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I understand that. I do understand. Look, it's it's 394 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: no coincidence that the priest put baby g Jesus in 395 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: a jail and it went during Trump's first administration. Pretty 396 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: clear what he feels. Look, I I just I really 397 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: appreciate talking to you, Ken, because you know we may 398 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: be on kind of the opposite side here. What I'm 399 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: saying is I don't want anybody deported from this country 400 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: who should not be deported, everybody the level of due process. 401 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: But I also want to make sure that when people 402 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: are deported who shouldn't be here, that they don't come back. 403 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 2: And that's absolutely fine. And all I'm saying is why 404 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: I think people accept outrageous behavior, because when they're so 405 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: irritated at the outrageous behavior of the government, whether. 406 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: It's I understand that, I do understand that. But at 407 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: the same time, if you're going to do outrageous behavior 408 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: and within a within a private organization like the Catholic 409 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: Church and the archdioce, he says to you, hey, take 410 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: that sign down. The line's pretty clear, Ken, I got 411 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: to run. I got a bunch of calls. I gotta 412 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: keep going, have a great weekend. 413 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: I want to Yeah, you too, And I just want 414 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: to say I'm not trying to defend it. I'm just 415 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: trying to explain it. I appreciate so much, Dan. 416 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Let me go next to Maureene and Brockton. Hi, Maureen, 417 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: thanks for calling in. How are you Hi? 418 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 4: Dan? Great and I hope you are well too. Yes, 419 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 4: I am so kind of fun kind of kind of 420 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 4: funny backstory. So I have a sister who lives in 421 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 4: Colorado and we have the family text and she I 422 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 4: don't know how she came across this story, and then 423 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 4: she forwarded because the priests that we're talking about, he's 424 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 4: our father, Josoma. He actually uh he went to school 425 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: over at Saint Colum Kills where we all went in Brighton, Okay. 426 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 4: So so she knew I know the name, and I 427 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 4: don't know how many family members were. I mean, it's 428 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: so funny. But you know, well, first of all, I 429 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: agree with with all of your points, and I agree 430 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: with the archdiocese. I mean, I am Catholic, and you know, 431 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 4: I get to tell you that one of the highlights 432 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: at this time of year was to always you know, 433 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 4: stop and admire, you know, the manger. That was very important. 434 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 4: That's important to me. So but yeah, so, I mean, 435 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 4: kudos to the archdiocese for their statement. And you know, 436 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 4: you can have your opinions, but you don't need to 437 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 4: have an ice sign inside the manger. 438 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: That's my thought. 439 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you totally, and the Archbishop of Boston, 440 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: Archbishop Handing, agreed and obviously his statement speaks for itself. Maureen, 441 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: thank you. You said it better than I did. You 442 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: should be the host of the show. I mean, I'm 443 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: trying to be very specific and try to make you 444 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: know I don't want to see people who are here illegally, 445 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: but have we get all the criminals out before you 446 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: before you go to anybody who's here illegally who hasn't 447 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: committed a crime. 448 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 3: That's my feeling exactly. 449 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 4: It's Merry Christmas to you and to your family and 450 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 4: to all of Knightside Nation, right to you, right. 451 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 1: To you, Maureen, and I hope we talked before Christmas, 452 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: but Merry Christmas to you and to your husband and 453 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: to your entire family. Thank you so much. 454 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 4: Oh thanks, thanks. 455 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: Can I have a great night good night. Okay, get 456 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: to take a break. It's it's ten forty five. I 457 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: got four callers here. I'm going to try to get 458 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: everybody in. I promise I will try and guess what 459 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: I think I will coming back on Nightside. 460 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. 461 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 4: Boston's news Radio. 462 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Let's get going here. I want to got a couple 463 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 1: of callers from Data. I'm going to get them in quickly. 464 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: And then I got Greg from Rosledale, Mary and Lexington. 465 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: If I can get to Day from San Francisco, I 466 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: will let me go next to Jeannie in Debtam Janie, 467 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:46,959 Speaker 1: you are next on Nightside. 468 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 5: Welcome, Thank you Dan, it's nice to speak with you. 469 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 5: And Merry Christmas. 470 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 4: Mary Chris. 471 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 5: I just want you so in my two cents here. 472 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 5: I'm familiar with father Jama. I've been a deadimite all 473 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 5: my life and I have seen it. I've seen many, 474 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 5: many of his displays at Christmas time that have been 475 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 5: very controversial, and I am of the same belief as you. 476 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 4: This does not belong. 477 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 5: You know, this, this I thing does not belong in 478 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 5: a crush. It's uh, it's just kind of you know, 479 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: it's putting politics, it's meshing it in with with the. 480 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 4: Religion, you know. 481 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 5: And I think that you know, the Good Lord wanted 482 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 5: to want us, want us to be, you know, wants 483 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 5: us to be uh uh good to our fellow man. 484 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: Okay. 485 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 5: And the thing is is that's where the church is 486 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 5: blurred at, you know, between the politics and the the 487 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 5: Christianity or the you know, fellow man taking care of 488 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 5: each other. It just seems that those two cannot get 489 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 5: along well the other. 490 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is when you think about the 491 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: theology of the church, the the all of that, the 492 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: theology of the Catholic religion at least doesn't say everybody 493 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: goes to heaven. It you get into heaven if you 494 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: obey the rules. 495 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 5: You know, I'm a Catholic. I'm a Catholic school girl. 496 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: So so what I'm saying is that that the United 497 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: States is saying, basically, not everybody can come into the 498 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: United States. But if you try to come in, I mean, 499 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: if you crashed into heaven, I assume at some point 500 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: Saint Peter's going to come over and say, hey, buddy, 501 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: you don't belong here. 502 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 4: You know. 503 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: That's the irony when you really, when you when you 504 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: break it down a little bit. 505 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 5: I mean, it's yeah, it's kind of a conundrum, and 506 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 5: it's you know, and I know I've known Father Jessoma 507 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 5: and spoken with him personally and what have you. So, 508 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 5: but it's been many years since I've seen him. But 509 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 5: he's I know, he's probably stuck between a place where 510 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 5: he wants to be there for his fellow man. He 511 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 5: wants to be Christian like. 512 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 3: He wants to be christ like. 513 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 5: Bus by the same token, he doesn't realize that he's 514 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 5: also doing damage to the church because he's mixing this. 515 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I hope that he complies with with the 516 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: order from the Archbishop. Genie. I wish you called earlier, 517 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: but I got a whole bunch of folks. I want 518 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: to try to give them a couple of minutes as well. 519 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: Have you ever called the show before since your first time? 520 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 5: This is my first time. 521 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: I was going to give you a one of the clause. 522 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: It's the first time. Pause. Thanks, Jeanie, come on back 523 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: very much, and Merry Christmas to you. Merry Christmas to you. 524 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 5: And you and your family. 525 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 6: All right, thank. 526 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: You, all right, let me go to John and Denham too. John, 527 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to get you in here. A little quickly 528 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: because you're from Denham. Go right ahead, sir. 529 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: Okay. As we spoke to a pot just on him 530 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago as a fellow Think Camp 531 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 3: Joe Up, I was be awake, but I'm not really 532 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 3: close to him, yep. But my big of concern is 533 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 3: that he's acting like a lot of other people that 534 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 3: you're if you're giving your information from main street media 535 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 3: and maybe Democratic politicians, you are not having all the facts. 536 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: And it just frustrates me that, you know, the stuff 537 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 3: that's going on now could have been prevented if a 538 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: Democrats worked with the Homeland Security and hey, just turn 539 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: over the criminals and we don't have to go in 540 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 3: and all the parishes and everybody. 541 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree. I'll look for what had happened, 542 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: what took place For four years we had opened borders, 543 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: and now the borders have been tightened up. And I 544 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: don't want to see people abused, but I do want 545 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: to see the criminals removed from the country because we 546 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: have enough homegrown criminals. We don't need to allow other criminals. 547 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,719 Speaker 1: Did you hear last Hour Jr? From Waltham, young guy 548 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: from he's fifty one years old took him ten years 549 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: to wait in our south, who have to come here 550 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: the right way, came here legally. He's now, he has 551 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: a CDL. He's a truck driver, and he's what we 552 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: need in this country. We need immigrants, and we need 553 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: immigrants who are coming here for the right reasons, not 554 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: coming here for the wrong reasons. 555 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 3: What's funny is I've called before. I am in the 556 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: freight industry. I have to take all my exams, ESA clarents, 557 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: all that stuff. But I see the truck dries and 558 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 3: listening to his story. My parents came from another country. 559 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: They did it the right way. They had a weight line, 560 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 3: and it's it's I think they're I don't think the 561 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: people get it that they're offend. These people come into 562 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 3: this country legally, are offending the people who did it 563 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: right they I think they I hate to say like this, 564 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: they're giving immigrants a bad name. 565 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: Yes, well, they're not giving regular, you know, legal immigrants. 566 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: I think it's always important to emphasize we need immigrants, 567 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: we need legal immigrants in this country. We need to 568 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: know who they are, we need to know what they 569 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: want to do when they come here, and we want 570 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: to treat people and welcome people. My grandparents came here 571 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: as well, they were welcome, different time difference, out of circumstances. John, 572 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: I got both you and Genie in because you're from Dedham. 573 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: Thank you both for calling, and thank you my friend 574 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: for calling back. And look forward to more conversations with you. Okay, 575 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Let me go to Greg and Rosendale. Greg, 576 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: want to get you in here before the end of 577 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: the hour, Go right ahead. 578 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 6: Oh, yes, thank you. We spoke yesterday. Yes, I know that, 579 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 6: and I just wanted to call back and say that. 580 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 4: I do. 581 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 6: I was listening to you afterwards, and I do believe 582 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 6: you are supportive of all people that come in the 583 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 6: correct way, and I'm the same as that. 584 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: But I do. 585 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 6: Believe that the archdiocese made the right decision to not 586 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 6: support that at this time. But I think what I 587 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 6: would if I met the priest, I would say, go 588 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 6: to a place where immigrants are being have to go 589 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 6: to report and support them, because a friend that I 590 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 6: have that is in Iowa said that there are one 591 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 6: hundred and fifty people at this one place, and fifty 592 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 6: people some families you know, in the deep freeze, and 593 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 6: they're all waiting outside to go in to do what 594 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 6: Ice is and Ice has. 595 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: A hard job. 596 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 6: There's it's there there, and they're doing the best they can. 597 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 6: I understand that, well, Greg, would I would agree with you. 598 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to see anybody abused. Okay, I know 599 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: we had kind of a fiery conversation last night. I 600 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: think the more you get to know me, you understand 601 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: that I'm not an unreasonable person. And I'm I'm very 602 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: glad you called back. And I'm very glad I took 603 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: your call. You can call this program anytime you don't. 604 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: You agree with me, disagree with me, we can always 605 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: have a conversation. When we were a little wrestling night, 606 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm a little rushed tonight, but that's okay. 607 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 6: We've had a couple of times, Dan, but it's been 608 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 6: a while ago, so we've gone to some some some 609 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 6: some of the same fundraisers, so we'll probably we'll probably 610 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 6: bump into each other. 611 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: Well, bumbs, introduce yourself and come on back as a 612 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: as a frequent caller. I really I will enjoy our conversations. Okay, 613 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: and I do you celebrate Christmas with a name like Greg? 614 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: I assume you're Catholic. 615 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 6: I was raised a Catholic, was a lapsed Catholic. But okay, 616 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 6: when I retired, I actually did a program in Chicago, 617 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,479 Speaker 6: Loyola University for the past year and that's what really 618 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 6: put me in okay, in touch with immigration. 619 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: Right now, let me just say this, Uh, Merry Christmas. 620 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 6: Okay, Merry Christmas to you Dan in your family. 621 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: Talk soon, Okay, good night. Let me get Mary and Lexington. Mary, 622 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: I can get about a minute or so for you. 623 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 4: Go right ahead, Mary, okay, just quickly. 624 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 7: I wanted to shed a little information on the woman 625 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 7: that was picked up in Florida, and they were not 626 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 7: after her. They were after her illegal boyfriend. Yes, she 627 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 7: was driving his car. 628 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: Yep. I mentioned that last night. I did not mention 629 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: it tonight, and I'm glad you mentioned it, Mary. 630 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 7: But also the reason reason too was she did not 631 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 7: comply and cooperate with them. Yes, so had she, maybe 632 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 7: that scene wouldn't have happened. So because she didn't comply 633 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 7: and cooperate. But once they did sort everything out, she 634 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 7: was promptly released a couple of dollars. Ago said, if 635 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 7: there was more cooperation with Ice, these things wouldn't happen 636 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 7: as often. They're more dramatic than they are the source 637 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 7: of what's really going on behind the scene. 638 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: Not only more personal cooperation, but more cooperation. They are 639 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: making it difficult for ICE, and here in Massachusetts, our 640 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: politicians should cooperate with ICE, particularly when we're talking about 641 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: dangerous criminals. For the Democrats or for the Senator from 642 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, Jack Reid to refer to the to the 643 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: gun runners, the Naco terrorists as sailors. At some point 644 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: he said, the two sailors were alive before they delivered this. 645 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: What are you talking about sailors? I mean, these these 646 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 1: are guys who are bringing drugs into this country to 647 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: kill Americans. I don't get it right. 648 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,959 Speaker 7: And they also said that they saw them waving for help. 649 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: Well, well I haven't. I haven't seen the video, and 650 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,320 Speaker 1: hopefully we will, you know, but I have confidence in 651 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: the US military. Mary, thank you for calling. Thank you 652 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: for clarifying that, and I hope you continue to call 653 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: this program. Yes, thank you, Thanks Mary, Mary, Christmas. 654 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,760 Speaker 7: You too, Merry Christmas. 655 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, So the callers in the line, 656 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: I apologize those two Denim callers were very important because 657 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: that's what happened. We're going to the twentieth hour. So 658 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: if you're on the line, you want to stay there. 659 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: My question to you is when the cold weather starts. 660 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: The question tonight is what is your go to comfort food? 661 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: What is the best food you can order on a 662 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: cold winter night or the best food that you can 663 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: make for yourself. Let's talk about let's warm it up 664 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: here until midnight.