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Speaker 1: almost did get Boswell hurt, but the result was never

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Speaker 1: in doubt. And now the Steelers play at Cincinnati Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Here's Jamar Chase, the Cincinnati receiver, talking about what the

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Speaker 2: What this next game is always the most important game

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Speaker 2: are right now. We know Steelers don't try to come

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Speaker 2: in and raw dog us and kill us, but we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be ready for that challenge and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: Raw dog and kill I think that was the topic

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Speaker 1: of the movie. In the Nick Cage film eight Millimeter

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Speaker 1: rad Doc Jamar Chase said, raw Doc. Does Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: know what rawd Dog means? Because I do? And while

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Speaker 1: I just don't think raw dog is on the Pittsburgh agenda.

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Speaker 1: But if it is, it'll certainly be easy to spot

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Speaker 1: raw Dog. The Steelers are four and one, but they

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Speaker 1: were ten or three last year. The Steelers won convincingly

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Speaker 1: at home against Cleveland yesterday twenty three to nine, and

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Speaker 1: never endoubts very good defensive effort, albeit against a rookie

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Speaker 1: The Steelers have the AFC North on lockdown since Natti lost,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore lost, Cleveland lost, obviously three game lead for the

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Speaker 1: Steelers in the lost column, and yet I don't feel

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Speaker 1: great about it. The offense is prehistoric. Rogers is a

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Speaker 1: game manager. Rudolph could do what Rogers is doing. I know,

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Speaker 1: I know a win is a win is a win,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like last year. The difference is Rogers.

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Speaker 1: He's my favorite Steeler, But we liked Russ last year

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Speaker 1: the defense got six sacks dropped, some picks, hit hard,

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Speaker 1: lots of looks, shut down Judkins, Ramsey and Herbie got

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Speaker 3: Great line by rams after He's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna tell his kid and he played in a game

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Speaker 1: with Miles guarant T J Watt and he's the guy

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Speaker 3: Game to yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I love herbig and I loved the deployment of Ramsey

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Speaker 1: Pitt wasn't at Aquisher last week.

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Speaker 1: Call in the question the people taking care of the field,

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Speaker 1: If you want one great thing from yesterday, it's that

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Speaker 1: And while pitt one at Florida State, that's legit win,

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Mildly impressed. I'm glad that they turn it on in

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Speaker 5: the second half at least, because that first half was

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Speaker 5: abysmal for the Steelers. And you know, you said that

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Speaker 5: Rudolph can do what Rogers is doing, and you're right.

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Speaker 5: In the first half he could do everything that Rogers

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Speaker 5: moving across his body like that and directing traffic, especially

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Speaker 5: Tom So, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Glad I had to see that.

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Speaker 5: The offense kind of got its head out of its

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Speaker 5: They're just gonna kick, you know, another two or three

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Speaker 1: I will say the Steelers said zero chance to lose,

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Speaker 1: and you need the occasional game like that. The defense

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Speaker 5: They played a similar snapcount all three of the dreshers,

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Speaker 3: See I don't like that either. TJ.

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Speaker 1: Wats making forty whatever million from that, he needs to

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Speaker 3: From that angle, I I feel you when it comes

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Speaker 1: Snapcons are distributed based on him playing good, not what

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this frequently. Tom Yes, off the field

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Speaker 5: Has Herbie kind of been a better pass rusher than

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Speaker 3: Right this second?

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I saw Spencer Anderson was only on the

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Speaker 5: Was not there forever though, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 5: did go jumbo package, but it wasn't like they lived

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Speaker 5: people have put up there that he's just he barries

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we like Trey and plus with Northwestern beat

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's been really good.

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Speaker 1: H no touchdowns in the first half, three field goals

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Speaker 5: I have no idea how the field can be that bad,

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Speaker 1: Why give Rodger his credit because he actually, you know,

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Speaker 5: He mentioned this guy they had in green Bay. Remember

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Speaker 5: You think he's given like a number to let's bring

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Speaker 5: but let's bring this guy. Bring the guy right now.

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Speaker 3: We talked before.

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Speaker 1: Darnel Washington's number one tight end mouth got one catch.

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Speaker 1: Connor Hayward caught a touchdown. Mouth got one catch. What's

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Speaker 5: The way this is going, I guess he'd want out,

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Speaker 5: And as each week passes Mark, that contract just looks

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Speaker 5: worse and worse that the Steelers just handed that out

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Speaker 5: He's their number four tight end this year. That's indisputable.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Darnell's number one, then you got John Who

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Speaker 1: You're just not going to not in this offense. And uh,

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Speaker 1: But at least they're committed to it and that you

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Speaker 5: The second half open up other stuff and I'm not

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Speaker 1: But but to be clear, like I I'm glad they

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Speaker 5: We are not gonna find out about who this team

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Speaker 1: Well, at Seattle, it's the only game where they trilled

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Speaker 3: I would argue that's probably the best team they've played

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Speaker 1: I don't think we were sure Sam Donald was gonna

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Speaker 3: Sam Donald. Yeah, yeah, he looks really good.

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Speaker 5: I did not expect him to go to Seattle and

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Speaker 5: but he's pretty damn good. But Mark, once they get

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Speaker 1: The important thing is Baker Mayfield big win, big game.

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Speaker 4: We're adding another show, Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not sure what bands like for Pitt winning or Penn

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Speaker 1: I guess we should see it coming, but.

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Speaker 1: Penn State Austin Northwestern once again beat by a big underdog,

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna get signetty from Indiana?

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Speaker 3: You ain't.

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Speaker 1: He'd rather stay there. He should stay there. That's a

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Speaker 1: Florida State. That's an impressive ACC win. The freshman quarterback

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Speaker 1: you that a. The overaction to Holstein last year proved

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Speaker 1: to get rid of that loss. You can't undo it.

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Speaker 1: Pitt's lost to West Virginia and Penn State's losses to

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Speaker 1: I bet he's pumped Trey Essex. The question now is

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Speaker 1: I'm still pick Penn State Big Ten versus ACC. Penn

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Speaker 1: Joining me down to talk college football because it is

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Speaker 1: not so It's Tommy Radio. Tom Are you surprised? James

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Speaker 1: What would you have done?

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Speaker 5: I'm not as surprised because he lost to Northwestern and

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Speaker 5: it just seemed like the team quit.

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Speaker 1: So you might want to pull the plug. Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: surprise is a bad word. It's just I wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have done it in midstream. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: just so hard for me to think of somebody that

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Speaker 1: Well, Terry Smith is gonna you know, handle it on

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Speaker 1: an interim basis. The guy from Gateway, he's a career

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Speaker 3: The job, and he should not.

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Speaker 5: And that's something you got to be a little careful

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Speaker 1: High That's the problem with the interim guy. Right, because

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Speaker 5: And there's a recent example of it working in college

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Speaker 5: You don't want to fall in love with him. You

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's the guy they want. I just don't

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

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Speaker 5: From all accounts, Indiana is making a commitment to kind

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Speaker 3: And long last they figured out where the money is. Well,

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Speaker 1: And again, if Penn State were like kind of parallel

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Speaker 5: I just don't think now there is a little bit

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Speaker 1: Oh, the recruiting. He's a great recruiter, better recruiter than

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Speaker 3: But He snapped up all those kids, all the prominent kids.

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Speaker 5: So there's a little bit of an opening there, But

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Speaker 1: Again, you know where Penn State screwed up once it

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Speaker 3: Nil, there's just no way.

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Speaker 5: And Zeis said it on the show last week, like

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Speaker 5: Heichel didn't just wake up before the Boston College game

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Speaker 5: and was like, I'm gonna be really good at football

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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, and like people were talking like

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Speaker 5: training camp for sure. So the money definitely fueled that decision.

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Speaker 5: So I wonder if there was a little bit of

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Speaker 5: internal pressure. But still Nardoozy had to be the one

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Speaker 5: to pull the trigger, and he did. I think the

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Speaker 5: optics of the quarterback that backed up Drew Auler last

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Speaker 5: year bo Prabula going to Missouri this year and being

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Speaker 5: really good for them. They were undefeated heading into that

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Speaker 5: Alabama game last week, only lost by three to two Alabama,

451
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Speaker 5: who I think is the best team in the SEC.

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Speaker 5: So those optics are pretty bad too. It kind of

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Speaker 5: looks like you chose the wrong quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the dilemma for you Pit fans, Tom, What

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Speaker 1: big ten or SEC school is going to swoop in

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Speaker 1: and take Hinchel with a big fat nil check? And

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Speaker 1: might I add we all thought that would happen with Holstein,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't. And that makes me indicate that nobody

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Speaker 1: really thought he was that good, even though the pit

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Speaker 1: faithful did.

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't get why.

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Speaker 1: Because he got a million with Pitt That's yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Butt White money for a top caliber Division one quarterback.

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Speaker 5: That's why I don't get why my fan base is,

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Speaker 5: you know, moonwalking as hard as they are with Heinschel's performance,

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Speaker 5: do your dipsticks, thank you.

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Speaker 3: But it's a great win. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 5: You should be excited. He has a lot of potential.

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Speaker 5: But if this was ten years ago, Mark, I'd be

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Speaker 5: doing backflips because I got two more years of this

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Speaker 5: kid locked up. They're going to develop him, maybe build

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Speaker 5: around him a little bit with some recruiting. But in

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Speaker 5: this new era, you just have to look at schools

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Speaker 5: like big ten sec power swooping in and taking this

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Speaker 5: talented eighteen year old. And even if Pitt does keep him,

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Speaker 5: you know, in this new world, Mark, like with pro athletes,

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Speaker 5: sometimes when they get big money contracts, they kind of

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Speaker 5: level off a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 5: That I think can be extra the case for an

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Speaker 5: eighteen year old who gets handed a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know why I call him the Bomber?

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Speaker 3: Don't say ow loud I do.

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Speaker 1: It's a great name. It's a great name. People need

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Speaker 1: to figure it out. But it's a it's a great nickname.

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Speaker 1: Plus he can throw, and plus you know it's not

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Speaker 1: enough credit. Reid Reed's been balling, He's been tremendous for pitting.

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Speaker 1: He's kind of got lost in the Heinschel shuffle.

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Speaker 5: Well, he was hurt all year and that was the

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Speaker 5: reason why they beat Florida State was because Reid was healthy.

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Speaker 5: Hinda was great in that game, but Heinchell was great

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Speaker 5: because he was going to read a lot. The play

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Speaker 5: that was most impressive. I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 5: it where Heinschell like dummied the pass rusher that came

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Speaker 5: free and then threw like a jump ball to right

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Speaker 5: back of the end zone. I mean, that's the one

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Speaker 5: where you look at and if you're someone recruiting from

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Speaker 5: a big time school, you're going into the DMS after

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Speaker 5: the game after you saw that throw.

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Speaker 1: Will Penn State win at Iowa? Will Penn State ever

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Speaker 1: win again?

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Speaker 5: Way at Iowa was a really tricky spot. I don't

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Speaker 5: think they will win at Iowa. I'm wondering. I'm trying

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Speaker 5: to pull it up right now. Who the favorite in

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Speaker 5: that game is. I have to imagine Iowa would be

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Speaker 5: a slight favorite.

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Speaker 3: Well, did you ever did you ever hear the story

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Speaker 3: about Like I said earlier, Paterno had four losing seasons

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Speaker 3: in five, I was three and a half point favorite,

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Speaker 3: and he.

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Speaker 1: And Joe should have retired long before again, and it

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Speaker 1: should have been made to But did you ever hear

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Speaker 1: the story in the middle of those bad seasons, the

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Speaker 1: ad and the university president went into him and said, Joe,

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Speaker 1: we need you to move on, saying, in very nice terms,

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Speaker 1: we're firing you. And he just said no, and they're like, oh, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: and they left and he kept coaching.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if you're Joe Paterno, if you're a coach

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Speaker 5: of that magnitude at that time, like, why wouldn't you

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Speaker 5: try to play that card, right, I mean, at least

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Speaker 5: make them force you out of the building, get the

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Speaker 5: security guard.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm convinced, and we talked about this, and like

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Speaker 1: I changed my two years later.

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Speaker 3: I would not have fired Joe. I would have been.

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Speaker 1: Faithful to the vision of my program and Penn State

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Speaker 1: football is opposed to trying to please outside influences. I

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Speaker 1: think all that would have straightened itself out in the end.

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Speaker 1: But I would not have fired him. And that goes

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Speaker 1: totally against what I said at the time. But that's

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Speaker 1: how I feel now. I'm allowed to change my mind.

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Speaker 1: BA No, he didn't know. He didn't know, But that's

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Speaker 1: not the point. I mean, you could have waited until

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Speaker 1: seasons and then if he doesn't willingly get out, then

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Speaker 1: he has to just get fired.

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Speaker 5: There's a greater percent chance that Penn State did the

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, they actually and this is ironic, they

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Speaker 1: Tom Uh, if your pit, your pit gut, would you

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Speaker 1: fire Pat Mardowsey to hire James Franklin.

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Speaker 5: I'm not kidding. James Franklin's a better coach end game,

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Speaker 5: I don't know. They're close to being just as much

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Speaker 5: of a dunce as the other one.

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Speaker 3: They make some real record game decisions.

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Speaker 5: That's the time breaker right there, and you would kind

567
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Speaker 5: of just what copy and paste that recruiting hotbed over

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Speaker 5: to Pitt somewhat that he already really established a strong

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Speaker 5: pipeline at Penn State.

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Speaker 3: Not as big of a jerk off, I mean a

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Speaker 3: jerk op and not as big.

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Speaker 5: It's real close in that race too. Though Nardozzy might

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Speaker 5: be a slightly better game coach than James Franklin, slightly better,

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Speaker 5: they're both terrible at it.

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Speaker 3: Much bigger jerkoff.

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Speaker 1: But if what what if you were like, like, who

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Speaker 1: needs a coach Virginia Tech?

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Speaker 5: So that's what I was gonna say, Like, James Franklin,

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Speaker 5: I think is going to make out in this. He

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Speaker 5: obviously gets the huge buyout, some crazy amount. I've heard

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Speaker 5: as much as fifty six to as low as forty nine.

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Speaker 5: Either way, Franklin's great great grandkids.

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Speaker 3: What's my buyot. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: You should look into that. I gotta talk to my attorney,

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Speaker 1: Manning J. O'Connor. I need to know what my bioff

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Speaker 1: figure is.

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Speaker 5: But like his families for generations, the Franklin family is

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Speaker 5: set now. But if I was a Virginia Tech who

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Speaker 5: fired their coach earlier this year, I would be sprinting

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Speaker 5: to hire him. I would be trying to get in

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Speaker 5: touch with him right now if I could and work

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Speaker 5: something out, if I could make it happen, if it

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Speaker 5: was legal, I'd have him coach on my sidelines this week.

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Speaker 3: If I was Virginia Tech like that.

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Speaker 5: School is not a storied program, but it's better than

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Speaker 5: what they've been lately, and they could get back to

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Speaker 5: being towards the top of a week acc quickly with Franklin.

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Speaker 1: No, no question. Hey, a couple quarterback situations I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Justin Fields was awful for the Jets.

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Speaker 1: He's been awful. They're winless. He was nine for seventeen

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Speaker 1: for forty five yards, and people are like blasting me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: You still wish he was here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I do, because I think he'd be doing better here.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd offer a window into the future potentially here.

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Speaker 1: I think that New York is just a death sentence.

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Speaker 1: I think the DNA there just nobody could succeed there.

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Speaker 1: I think he would be doing better here. I mean

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Speaker 1: he was doing better here. He went four and two here.

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Speaker 1: But I do not want him. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: he's just an awful quarterback. He can't throw the ball. Well,

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Speaker 1: do I want him a place of Rogers?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, do I want him if they don't get Rogers,

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Speaker 1: if they have Rudolph.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's a tough one. I like, might pick Rudolf.

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Speaker 3: I might pick Rudolf. That's true. I taught myself way

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Speaker 3: out of this one.

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Speaker 5: But you're right about him from the aspect of he'd

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Speaker 5: be much better here. It's just the fact that he

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Speaker 5: needs to be in like almost a perfect situation. Not

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Speaker 5: to say the Steelers are. There's much better offenses than

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Speaker 5: the Steelers, but it's a really stable franchise. The Jets,

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Speaker 5: combined with him is just disaster waiting to happen because

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Speaker 5: he needs all the help he can get and they

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Speaker 5: just aren't giving it to him.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Steelers are haphazard. The Jets are just a disaster.

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Speaker 5: There's just a curse over that franchise. No matter what,

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Speaker 5: they get the quarterback wrong. And then you look around

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Speaker 5: and Darnold's lightning up. The quarterbacks that leave the Jets,

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers four and one, they have success elsewhere. Gino

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Speaker 5: Smith is shot now, but he had a nice little

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Speaker 5: career renaissance with Seattle for a few years. Like they

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Speaker 5: all succeed elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks leave the Jets and do better or maybe not great,

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Speaker 1: maybe not for very long, but they do better. How

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Speaker 1: about two in Miami who like really ratted out his

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Speaker 1: teammates said at the post K, we got guys late

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Speaker 1: for meetings, skipping meetings. And I'm sure that's true, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the problem. But you don't rattle on

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Speaker 1: the guys. You don't ride on the guys.

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Speaker 5: And also that's a reflection of your poor leadership if

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Speaker 5: guys don't respect you enough to show up to the meeting.

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Speaker 1: He meant it to be a reflection on fire the coach.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right, Daniel, but I gotta tell you

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Speaker 1: i'd keep the coach before I kept too. I think Tua,

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Speaker 1: besides being beat up with all the concussions I.

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Speaker 3: Just think he isn't very good. I get rid of

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Speaker 3: both of them.

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Speaker 5: I think Mike McDaniel's probably not a head coach, probably

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Speaker 5: more student to be an offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: I just clean house. I'd start fresh. If I was Miami.

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Speaker 5: The Titans just fired their head coach that just moved

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Speaker 5: a couple of minutes ago. It's such a tree falling

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Speaker 5: in a forest type of move. No one even cares.

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Speaker 1: You know what's a fun thing. From the tomin press

658
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Speaker 1: conference today, Tom Win ripped Cleveland's GM yeah for trading

659
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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco from Cleveland to Cincinnati within the division.

660
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Speaker 3: But A, the GM didn't do that, the owner did

661
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 3: that exactly.

662
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: And b if if Flacco was here, of course Tom

663
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: would want him.

664
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: He wants veterans.

665
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: He just isn't gonna like Toma would not be playing

666
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel under any circumstances unless he was left with

667
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: no choice by, for example, trading Joe Flacco, although Gabriel

668
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: was in before Flacca got traded.

669
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew Berry's the name of the Browns GM. He

670
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 5: obviously had no choice there. Haslim called him and said,

671
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 5: you have to move Flacco because I want your door

672
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 5: to be one play away and Mark, did you see

673
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 5: Gabriel's head bounce off the grass in the second half,

674
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 5: I was like, oh boy, here we go. Great camera

675
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 5: work by CBS two, bang right to Shador on the sideline.

676
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: When that happened, I.

677
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: Felt like this sawn Elliot kept getting Gabriel high to

678
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: try to get Shador in there.

679
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: Maybe. Do you think Jimmy is that he and high Aliane.

680
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: Stealers had a lot of high hits yesterday and I

681
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: got no problem but that you know, there was the

682
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: one unnecessary rough thiss on Elliott and a lot of

683
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: like kind of high hits, and that's okay.

684
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't put it past Jimmy Haslm, the Brown's owner,

685
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: from going to that you know ref that sits in

686
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 5: the booth to buzz down for concussion protocol. Give them

687
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 5: like a twenty and be like, hey, just call down

688
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 5: and say we need to look at Gabriel in the

689
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 5: tent for a little bit. What do you think it

690
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: woul take more than a twenty? Probably in your haslam.

691
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 5: But you know how billionaires think they're cheap, Well.

692
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I know the one that owns the Steelers is hence

693
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: the field with all the divots great tradition. Today, Tom,

694
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: they're listening even as we speak to the game seven.

695
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's over. By no, it's it's probably in

696
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: the sixth or seventh inning by now. They're listening to

697
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: Game seven, the broadcast of the nineteen sixty World Series

698
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: on tape at the base of the wall in.

699
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: Forbest Field, which is still there in Oakland. The Masarowski

700
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: home run.

701
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: I think that's a great tradition, and they have a

702
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: timed up exactly so the ball goes over the wall

703
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: on the broadcast at the exact same time, you know

704
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: now as then fifty five years later. And it's especially

705
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: nice because we'll never have a moment like that again.

706
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: When we think Quato dropping the ball is somehow even

707
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: remotely equivalent to that, it shows how pathetic we've come

708
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: as a sports titled, especially as a baseball time.

709
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 5: Have you ever done that? Have you ever gone and

710
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 5: sat there and listen? That strikes me as one of

711
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: the things that I agree with you. It's an awesome tradition,

712
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: but one that I would never partake. I would never

713
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 5: go sit there and listen to that game. I've watched

714
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 5: the game, though I have like a DVD of it

715
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: that I've seen the entire game.

716
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's the biggest upset World Series history, no

717
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: doubt it is.

718
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 5: I mean, they the whole series was crazy, right, Like

719
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: then the Yankees win one game like twenty to one,

720
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: and She's.

721
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: Won like ten nothing, twelve nothing, sixteen to three, and

722
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: the Pirates won a bunch of one one games. It

723
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: was almost as if Tom was managing them. They just

724
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: went for the for the close games sound strategy. Then

725
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: it worked. At least they got a ring Tom, Yeah ring.

726
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: Mickey Mantle cried, did.

727
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: He really have to listen to the Pips?

728
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: Cried, He couldn't believe it happened. That's a line in

729
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: a Bronx tail. Uh. The kid, the kid's a little

730
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: kid before he grows up and becomes kind of a gangster.

731
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: He didn't mention Mazeroski, but he says to his dad.

732
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: He made Mickey Mantle cry, I hate him.

733
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: He has five World Series rings on his finger while

734
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 3: he's crying at that point.

735
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but to me, come on, but that was

736
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: like I said that, I wasn't alive then, barely not.

737
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: But that was a grotesque mismatch. Even back then. It

738
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: was embarrassing to lose to the Pirates, is what you're saying.

739
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: No, it was a good team, but the Yankees, like

740
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean nineteen sixty one. A year later, they swept

741
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: the Rams in the World Series. That's arguably one of

742
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: the best baseball teams ever. Yeah, they won back to

743
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: back World Series after the Pirates beat them. The Pirates stopped.

744
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, they didn't win in nineteen fifty nine. Excuse me,

745
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: they missed the playoffs that year. I was gonna say

746
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: they stopped the four peat, but they did not. Yeah,

747
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: he's what a lot back then, not so much now,

748
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: which is funny. Five ninety X.

749
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Speaker 4: It's The Woody Show weekend mornings at six. Yeah on

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Speaker 4: one oh five nine the X from the one oh

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Speaker 4: five nine the ex Weather Center.

752
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,360
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753
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Speaker 1: It's doublem on the X correction room. Before I mentioned

754
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: it was fifty five years since Mazarowski's home run to

755
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: win the nineteen sixty World Series. Obviously it's sixty five years.

756
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: Time really flies when you never win at all. The

757
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: pregame show brought to us play our good friends at

758
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Speaker 1: Shendarova Schendrovic and Fishmen. They only charged twenty five percent,

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760
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Speaker 3: What do we got today from the trifecta?

761
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: I got a few yeah butts. When it comes to

762
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: the Steelers' performance, well, I like it. I got one

763
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 5: on defense and I got two on the offensive side

764
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: of the ball. On the defensive side of the ball.

765
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: For number three, you played a dominating game. It was

766
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 5: your most complete game of the season, for sure, but

767
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 5: you came away with zero turnovers. And I think that,

768
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 5: along with the sacks, is really the identity and Brendan

769
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: butter of this team.

770
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: And I know those can be.

771
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 5: A little fluky and they had some drops, but I

772
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 5: think this defense should come away with at least one

773
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 5: almost every game, and then you can bound that with

774
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback through at fifty two times.

775
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: No, I agree with that.

776
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I will say those six sacs as a lot, and

777
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: they did. I counted three out and out nailed on

778
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: turn interceptions, they dropped, and maybe even a couple more

779
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: borderline and the.

780
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 5: Swat that where he just kind of swallowed the ball

781
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 5: with both of his hands, that was incredibly done that

782
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: I thought he might pick it off. I thought he

783
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 5: might too. Number two. The Steelers' offense scored two touchdowns.

784
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: They had twenty three points. I guess what I would

785
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: say is a good Browns defense. But the only thing

786
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 5: that offense really has going for them is Rogers the DK. Like,

787
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: if we're trying to find an identity right now, that's

788
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 5: it is the occasional Rogers to DK big play. And

789
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 5: maybe I shouldn't say occasional because they have a touchdown

790
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: connection in four of their five games. But that's all

791
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 5: they have going for them, and you need some more consistent,

792
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 5: viable options to start availing themselves or else you're going nowhere.

793
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: Well, I totally agree, but what options might those be?

794
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 5: Tom, They don't have any in house, and as you

795
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 5: and I established earlier in the show, they will not

796
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 5: go out and get one.

797
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: So this is what it'll be.

798
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: And again I don't mean to dismiss when you say, cavalierly,

799
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: they absolutely should go get number two wide out.

800
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: They're just not going well.

801
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 5: When the division is staring you in the face like

802
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 5: this and saying you've basically got it wrapped up by

803
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 5: week six, there's just no excuse to not try to

804
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 5: take your team.

805
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: Over the top did right, But Wilson ca, that's your bess.

806
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: He did you think that was like an accident? They

807
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: got the numbers mixed up when they called the player thought.

808
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: It was gonna be Scotty Miller thought it was thirteen

809
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 3: instead of ten. Yeah, it was weird, Like he looked shocked.

810
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 3: So was I all right?

811
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: Then?

812
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 5: My last entrant here, Steelers' offense had one hundred yards rushing,

813
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 5: but it was only three point six yards per carry.

814
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 5: As a team, your average on the season is only

815
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 5: three point four yards per carry on the season. That's

816
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 5: what they want their identity to be, is the team

817
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 5: that can just run the ball and lean on that.

818
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 5: You can't do that when you average three point four

819
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: yards of carry. Well, they don't have an offensive identity yet,

820
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 5: do you agree, other than Rogers the DK I do,

821
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 5: and that's only an occasional identity. One big play.

822
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can hang your hand on it, your

823
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: hat on it, like like you said, once a game. Maybe,

824
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: but I still again, I get back to this offense

825
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: can't catch up on a good team.

826
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 5: Maybe not on anybody. We're gonna find out. And when

827
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 5: Green Bay comes to town after Cincinnati, you know, people

828
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 5: are doing the victory laps right now. And I get it,

829
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 5: you're excited, but it was Cleveland. Wait until the big

830
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 5: boys show up to the playground. And I think they're

831
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 5: better suited to play closer games against the big boys

832
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 5: than when they just got flatten at the end of

833
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 5: last year. But until they beat Green Bay go to

834
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 5: and one in that stretch, why can't we just cool

835
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 5: it a little bit?

836
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: Why can't we just wait and see not our style

837
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: on how Pittsburgh is. Hey, if they lose d cincion,

838
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: they won't, but if they did then before and two

839
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: save as last year.

840
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 3: Feeling a little skeptical about that. No, they're gonna kill Cincinnati,

841
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: They're gonna run on them. I don't know that's true.

842
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 5: I just feel let me tell you this, I feel

843
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: less secure than winning this game than I do the

844
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 5: Cleveland one. I think there's more of a chance since

845
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 5: he could beat them in this game short week. They're

846
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 5: the home team that usually favors the team that stays

847
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 5: at home, team that has to travels at a disadvantage.

848
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 5: Flacco started to turn it on a little bit in

849
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 5: the second half against the Packers, too, started to connect

850
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 5: with those receivers yeah, I don't know.

851
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: I don't think they can score up well. I don't

852
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: know what Jamar and Higg and Joys have a chance.

853
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: I just don't think they can score off points on

854
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: that defense.

855
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 5: If the pass, if the pass rush is what it

856
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 5: was against Cleveland, Cincinnati, Flakko won't make it through the game.

857
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 5: Although the Steelers just don't hurt quarterbacks, you've established that,

858
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 5: ever have they never do well? I mean me joe,

859
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: this iteration of the Steelers never do Let.

860
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: Me Joe like punch hm In and knuts Neil. You

861
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: can do that when you get off on the pile,

862
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: put the whole weight down on them. I bet DeShawn

863
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 3: would give a chance to Shawn Elliott. Yep. I love

864
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 3: the Shawn Elliott. What a fan favorite he's become.

865
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 5: And it's very clear that the defense we talked about

866
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 5: Harmon earlier in the show, mark the defense improving the

867
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: run in the run aspect when he came back, they

868
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 5: get a lot better in that area and then just

869
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 5: tackling in general.

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Speaker 3: When Harmon's back there, he hasn't.

871
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: Question, no question, he has been a huge addition. I

872
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: want to get back to Franklin getting fired for one second,

873
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: because this is something Penn State fans won't want to hear.

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Speaker 1: I know Penn State fans. Would you say the majority

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00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: of fans are happy that Franklin got fired?

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Speaker 3: Penn State fans, I'd say like ninety five percent of

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00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 3: them are.

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00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: Okay, that's because they're knee jerkin yep, fast food, and

879
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: they want revenge for their season having been screwed up.

880
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 5: And I think about sixty five percent of them really

881
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 5: believe Signette's coming and he's going to save their program.

882
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 5: But I think they think that, well, here's the thing.

883
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: Well, they may like that fire, you know what it did.

884
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: It made Penn State just another college football program, a

885
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: program that fires the coach, a program that reacts to

886
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: one bad season, a program that's always about now and

887
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: forgets what had happened or what will happen. Just another

888
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: college football team.

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00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 5: The stuff you're hearing about the Adidas part of it too,

890
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Speaker 5: You know, that's just the current landscape. I think in

891
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 5: the changing landscape where.

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Speaker 1: Well seat tam Adidas f off, you could always get

893
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: another guy, another company to do that.

894
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: You think Nike would be knocking on the door. Yeah, sure,

895
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 5: I agree with you there, but I'm just saying like.

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Speaker 1: I would say, Okay, what are you going to do

897
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: if we don't fire him because we have a contract

898
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: at FU.

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Speaker 5: But the outside forces just influence it so much more

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00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 5: than ever before. And to what you were saying, where

901
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 5: you could maybe stand your ground as a university and

902
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 5: be like, we're not going to fire him after one

903
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 5: bad year. We're going to have some consistency here. We're

904
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 5: going to allow him to bounce back. The big money.

905
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 5: It's bigger than ever, and it's louder than ever as

906
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 5: far as the influence that they want. Like he's the

907
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 5: second biggest buyout in college football history. Jimbo Fisher, Texas

908
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 5: AM a couple of years ago, is like seventy six

909
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 5: million dollars.

910
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: I need a buyout, and everybody was saying I got

911
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: to get a buyout.

912
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 5: He'll just never get by, he'll never get fired. Seventy

913
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 5: six million dollars. Then an oil baron just swoops in.

914
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 5: It's like I'll cover most of it. If I got

915
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 5: like a even like a two million dollar buyout. Okay,

916
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 5: I would not only quit, you would never see me again.

917
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 5: No offense, none taken, trust me. But my point being

918
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 5: is just like I agree with you. You should tell

919
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 5: a Didas to go screw. Don't get into our business

920
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 5: in this way. Just make the uniforms for all our sports, please,

921
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 5: and we'll put your logo out there and we'll be.

922
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: Better, because, like I said, there's a contract that can't

923
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: get out of the contract.

924
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 5: But that's the way it is. The big money, the

925
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 5: people who have the most money involved.

926
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: If Adidas did bully Penn State and the firing Franklin,

927
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: that's because Penn State wanted to do it anyway.

928
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: And they just needed a reason, or maybe like that

929
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: didn't want Franklin fire. Yeah, you're right about that.

930
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 5: They want but maybe adidast applied the pressure to do

931
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 5: it mid season because I think it is just a

932
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 5: terrible mistake to do it right now, although losing the

933
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 5: team was dead in the water.

934
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Speaker 1: Some people want Terry Smith, the interim head coach, the

935
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: career assistant from Gateway High School. I covered Terry when

936
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: he played high school football, even when he coached a

937
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: little bit of Gateway, and he's a good guy and

938
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: a great assistant coach.

939
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: You just can't give him the raids to that.

940
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: Tom Bradley, Yes, because Tom Bradley, when he was under

941
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: Joe had specifically trained to take over for years and

942
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: was a big part of the decision making to that point.

943
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: You can't and Tom stepped in, you know, till the

944
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: spit really hit the spam, and they brought in Bill O'Brien, who,

945
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: by the way, is just such an underrated hero of

946
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Penn State football.

947
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: Franklin too in the same reguard.

948
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Speaker 5: You wouldn't go back to Bill, would you. He's at

949
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 5: Boston College right now and they're terrible. So, like, I

950
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Speaker 5: don't know if you would make that call and see

951
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 5: if Bill O'Brien wants to come back to State College.

952
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: I don't.

953
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 5: They're too big of a program to go that route,

954
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 5: to go the Johnny Major's pit rich Rod West Virginia route.

955
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: I might.

956
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: That's a guy who understands pet State. He understands pet

957
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: State better than almost anybody who's ever coached it, because

958
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: those two years he dug out was miraculous.

959
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: See.

960
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 5: I think if they don't get Signetty, which they want,

961
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 5: their backup plans going to be Matt Rule, the guy

962
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 5: at Rutgers or not Rutgers. I'm sorry the game and

963
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: he went to Penn State. He's coaching Nebraska right now,

964
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: they're okay, they're five and one.

965
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: I don't believe in them.

966
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 5: Though he coached the Panthers for a little bit in

967
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 5: the NFL, was terrible. His claim to fame was coaching

968
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 5: Baylor to the College Football Playoff once upon a time.

969
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm convinced that the rich alumni were pissed, the

970
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: NIL people, Adidas was pissed, the fans were pissed.

971
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 3: Really everybody was pissed.

972
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, from that standpoint, I wouldn't fire somebody based

973
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: on getting, you know, a scalp.

974
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: But that's what they did, no doubt.

975
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 5: And again, I think that there's ninety five percent of

976
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 5: the fan base that is on board for this, and

977
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of optimism around it. I'm curious to

978
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 5: see how that how much that lasts. Once A the

979
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 5: hires made, and it's probably an underwhelming hire because again,

980
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 5: I just don't know who they're going to go out,

981
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: who's the big swing that they're going to take, And

982
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 5: then b when they realize we might just be an

983
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 5: eight and four, nine and three team now instead of

984
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 5: the team that always went ten and two, eleven and

985
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 5: one and was almost always going to be in the

986
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 5: college football playoff.

987
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: Tom, I just got a text from a friend of

988
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: mine who would know. He said, it wasn't ninety five

989
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: percent of the Penn State fans that wanted Franklin fired.

990
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: It was one hundred and forty one and two thirds percent.

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00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: What O five ninety X.

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