WEBVTT - 1-12-26 Dan Carroll in for Scott Sloan 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.400 Right back on the Big one seven hundred w l 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:08.520 W nine oh eight Monday morning. I hope you had 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.799 a great weekend. Scott Sloan taking a day off as 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.280 he normally does after a big Buffalo Bill's game, so 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:16.599 he's like, you know, letting the adrenaline bleed off. I 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.280 think I think Soloni is back tomorrow. But anyway, I'm 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.120 Dan Carroll sitting in for Sloni. Glad to be here, 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.040 Glad you are here as well. A ton of ground 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.200 to cover today coming up in the eleven o'clock hour. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.080 I started reading a book last night called Pig Latin, 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.120 the seriously funny true story of a former police officer. 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.280 Really good book written by a guy used to be 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.199 a cop. His name is Eric Tansey out of Clayton, 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.520 North Carolina, and we're gonna be talking to him about 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.880 his book and just some of some excellent writing, excellent storytelling. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:47.760 Kevin Aldridge from The Inquiry will be here in ten 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.800 o'clock hour. We'll talk about everything that's happening in Cincinnati, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.200 including the idea that we're going to have a settlement 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.520 for the Hinton fan. I don't know why a settlement 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.319 is necessary, but apparently there it's in the work. We'll 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.480 talk about that. We'll talk about the tax increase and 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.959 other stuff. But starting off today with a guy I've 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.959 had on the show a number of times, Adam B. Coleman. 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.959 Adam B. Coleman is an author. His book is Black 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.280 Victim to Black Victor. He's also the founder of Wrong 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.120 Speak Publishing. He writes columns regularly in The New York Post. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.880 And Adam B. Coleman, it is great to have you 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.600 back on seven hundred WLW. Happy New Year to you. 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:24.160 How are you. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.000 Happy New Year? I'm doing all right. I'm getting over 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.600 a cold, so my voice sounds weird. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:30.080 That's fine. 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.800 You're getting over a cold, aren't we all? Aren't we 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.840 all talk a little about I'm just scrolling through some 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.800 of the columns that you've written here recently, and I 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.840 want to talk about your your travels to Europe, that 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:46.720 you were in Europe not too long ago. But first 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.200 of all, I want to talk about what's happening in 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.160 New York City with Zorahan Montani. And we watched this 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.800 unfold off almost like it was in slow motion. He 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.640 won the primary. It was pretty inevitable that he was 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.160 going to become the mayor. He won by an overwhelming majority. 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.040 We had this, We had this, I call it an 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:12.040 orgy of socialism during his swearing in, and now the 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.120 people are starting, the people of New York City are 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.320 starting to get a little taste of what the reality 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.560 of his socialist vision is like. How what are your 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:26.120 observations when you look at what's happening in New York City. 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:30.720 My observations is that none of it surprises me. I 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.000 think it's a lot different when you and I are 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.240 reading between the lines. People don't believe us when we 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.280 say that this person is a socialist or this person 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.080 is communists or communist friendly. It's another thing where the 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.040 person says I am a socialist and then he starts 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:50.120 doing socialist thing. Our jobs are easier, but we shouldn't 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.280 be shocked when he starts doing socialist things. In my opinion, 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.320 this is the second socialist mayor they've had in my lifetime, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.440 because the Blasio was one of them. But he wasn't 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.280 outright calling himself that he was just behaving in that way. 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.280 But yeah, I'm not surprised that all the different people 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:13.200 that he's starting to put onto his cabinet are also socialists. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.600 I'm also not surprised that they're are the upper class 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:21.360 socialists types, which is of course they are. So Yeah, 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.679 this is going to affect all the New York City, 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.480 of all the New York City residents. I think at 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.080 some point, his lack of actual work experience. Nevertheless, governance 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.360 is going to come into play, and we're going to 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.800 see that his ability to lead as a as a 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.080 mayor of a you know, the most the major city 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:49.040 and the most largest city in America. I don't know 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:52.520 if he'll be able to keep up with all the 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.240 pressure that's going to come from it and what people 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.400 expect from him. But at the same time, he's very 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.200 much so ideological and gun hull on doing social things. 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.600 So I think New York is going to reput itself. Yeah. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.280 Fortunately, he spent so much of his campaign talking about 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.240 affordability and how he was going to make buses free 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.760 and he was going to make it really cheap to 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.080 ride the subway and the trains, and a couple of 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.280 days after he got sworn in, well, what do you know, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.520 the fees went up for the trains, the fees went 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.840 up for the buses, and people are having a condiption 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.600 about that he was never able to control those things anyway, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.120 because all that is done at the state level. But 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.760 yet he campaigned on this issue that he was going 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.039 to be the one who changed all that. And I 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.080 think a perfect example of the way this is going 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.960 to roll out, he had an event at a Bronx 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:47.960 apartment building and he introduced his commissioner of whatever, his commissioner, 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.720 the commissioner of someone who's going to oversee all the 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.080 rental properties in all of New York City, and he 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:55.760 talked about what a great example of the work that 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.719 this person does, and look at this building. And then 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.320 here's a building where that you know, this person is 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.000 going to make all the rest of the buildings in 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.040 New York just like this one. Well, the New York 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.080 Post went in there and they found they looked at 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.520 this building, they found more than two hundred violations, eighty 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.960 eight of which are considered immediately hazardous. So you've got 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:21.119 situations where you've got broken doors, you've got mold, you've 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.640 got infestations of rats and roaches and all kinds of 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.359 other stuff. It is an absolute dump, an absolute crap 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.520 hole of a building. And Mandani is out there saying, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.320 look at this building. We are going to turn the 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.720 rest of the buildings in New York City is going 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:38.680 to be just like this one. It's going to be great, 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.960 So I tell you, and you just talked about that 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.400 lack of experience that he has, and I think it 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.159 really showed up in this particular, this particular instance. 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.800 Yeah, And so people don't less understand all politicians lie, right, 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.920 it's just a matter of right how much, but socialists 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:05.880 lie to a magnificent amount in comparison, because it's not 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.200 just the lie. It's not like making up something. It's 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.920 the lie of a mission. It's the constant redirect. It's 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.279 lying about stuff you have no control over, pretending that 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.240 you do have control over it, making sure that people 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.040 who are ignorant of it never find out, and when 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:26.240 they do, it's too late. And so yes, you're going 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.600 to find stuff like this all the time because communists lie. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.120 It reminds me of a conversation with someone who's rather 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.920 independent minded and he's like, actually kind of like Mam Donnie, 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.680 And I said, why is that? And he's like, you know, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.599 he's like, well, he's asking me, did you listen to 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:48.520 him give speeches and I'm thinking to myself, you must 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.320 not understand how socialists work. It doesn't matter what they say. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.640 They're ideological. The ideology leads them, right, they're going to 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.800 lie to you or they don't know what they're talking about. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:05.840 So he's not known for his economic policy. I'm not 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:07.560 even sure how well he does when it comes to 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.680 math or understanding how money works, and even in the 0:07:11.720 --> 0:07:17.240 most general sense. So he speaks policy wise like a 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.720 five year old. But the difference is this, where socialists 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.320 get it right is that they're good at identifying what 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.960 the problem is. And unfortunately that's all most people want. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.040 They just want to see that you see that the problem. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.840 So he recognizes that the fairs are too high, but 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.440 the tolls are too high, right, and that's what people care. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.000 He sees the problem, so he must know the solution. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:45.440 It's like no, Socialist solutions are always terrible. Great at 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.400 noticing the problem, the prescriptions are always terrible. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:50.800 And see what you're saying right there. And this is 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.240 what I've said repeatedly about this guy becoming the mayor 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:57.800 of New York City is that this really represents and 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.000 highlights the failure of our educational system because there are 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.200 so many people that, especially young people, that support this 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.880 guy in New York City, and they have no clue 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.920 what socialism not sometimes brings, what might bring, what it 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.680 always brings. And it seems that by and large a 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.200 lot of these people that voted for him have no 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.720 concept of that whatsoever. And they should have learned that 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:23.800 in school a long time ago. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.680 Yeah, and then there's also this almost like social gas 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.680 lighting whenever you bring up communism, as if communism is 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.680 this Cold War thing that doesn't exist. Meanwhile, we have 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:41.040 communist Cuba, We had a communist Venezuela that we just 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.800 you know, took me Dora from. We have our biggest adversary, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:52.040 which is literally called the CCP Chinese Party. Like, it's 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.200 not a pretend thing that is of the yesteryear. It 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.439 is a real thing that is happening in real time, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.160 and it is adversarial to our nation. Hey, hey, there 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.400 are communists going around. It's like the people who try 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.840 to make it seem like McCarthy was this crazy person 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.240 or were there actual communists trying to undermine this country? So, yes, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.040 there are communists that are here. There are communists who 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.760 are saying things in hopes that you're not familiar with communism, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.400 and they want to pretend that the stuff that even 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.120 if you're bringing out from the Cold War, it's not 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.400 how it was supposed to be done. But you did 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.000 it wrong, don't they all do it wrong? And actually 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:33.560 communist China is actually doing it right, as they censor 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.679 the Internet so you can't see or criticize them appropriately. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.800 So you know there's a lot of ignorance when it 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.360 comes to this stuff. Never trust the socialists. Never trust 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.760 the communists that all they do is operate off of lives. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.240 The last time I wanted to have you on the show, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.040 you weren't able to do it because you were traveling. 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.680 You were out of the country, and you went to 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.920 Europe and you talk about you wrote a column about it, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.040 and you talk about how you've been traveling there for 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:03.240 over a decade and so you've seen the changes in 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:09.440 places like Paris and some other European cities, and you 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:13.160 talk about what you witness then and what you witness 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:16.640 just a couple of months ago, and talk about that 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.520 a little bit. Because I think there's a lot of 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.520 connection here. I think what Mondannie wants to bring to 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.240 New York City because he is an Islamist and what 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.760 he wants to bring He and people like Bernie Sanders said, look, 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.120 what Mondanni is doing in New York City is what 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.200 Democrats need to do in the rest of the country. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.400 So there's no hiding in that particular agenda. But I 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.480 think all we have to do is look at what 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:44.440 is happening in Europe, and that should be a warning. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:47.199 Segmal I think too, we don't need this in the 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:48.360 United States. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:53.720 Yes, And this becomes kind of a delicate topic because 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.360 obviously Americans are used to immigrants, right, you know, we 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.520 say we're a country of immigrants, right, But it is 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.360 not the same as to what is happening in Europe, 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:05.280 and it is not the same whatsoever. This isn't even necessarily 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.440 about Muslims or anything like that. It is how they're 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.640 approaching immigration and what is it resulting into. And so 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.600 when I'm going through Hungary, when I'm going through the 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:22.360 Czech Republic, you know, I'm looking and noticing that it 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.720 looks a particular way. Meanwhile, these are the countries that 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.720 receive the most flack from the EU for not taking 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:34.720 in more immigrants, and Hungry especially was making the case like, hey, 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.920 we want to have our own immigration policy where we 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.320 get to say who we want to take in and 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:43.200 why we want to take them in, and just what 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:50.000 people understand. I've met Muslims who actually went to Hungary. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.720 I met There's one particular guy who's Muslims from your 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.160 end years ago that I met, But he was there 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.800 on a PhD like he was a PhD student. That's 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.640 why he was there. He might be contributing something to 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.880 the Hungarian economy in the future, right, so there is 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.040 a particular reason why he is there. So Hungary is 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:13.560 this islamaphobic, hates everybody country. It is a common sense 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.360 country which understands that it's culture needs to be preserved. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.560 We have to be very careful when it comes to 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.079 managing people we bring here. It was vastly different when 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:26.160 I'm leaving from the Czech Republic to head into Vienna, 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.040 which Vienna I don't know if most people know this, 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:34.960 but Vienna is mostly immigrants, so whether they're Eastern European, 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.720 whether they're Muslims coming from the Middle East, but it 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:46.120 is a mostly immigrant city. And that doesn't sound off 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.640 maybe for some Americans, especially in major cities, who are 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.720 used to seeing immigrants. But that is vastly different than 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.360 what Europe is used to and it's happened in a 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:01.640 very quick way. And when you have that many people 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.880 show up, it changes the culture of the city. And 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.520 when you have people who come from various different cultures, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.400 it changes how the city has run, how it looks. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.320 So I'm going through Vianna and it's a beautiful city 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.880 that's covered in squalor, and there's certain sections like favoritson 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.120 that I was actually staying in, which reminded me of Turkey. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.000 And I've been to Turkey, and there are beautiful parts 0:13:25.000 --> 0:13:29.760 of Turkey, right, but that's Turkey. Every country is a 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.360 bit different. And what I'm seeing is the loss of 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.400 the loss of Europe, where they're losing their identity and 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.400 anyone who critiques it is called the name is slandered 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:46.560 and things like that. 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.160 And that's the point you make in your column, And 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.360 so I relate that, and maybe I'm mistaken about this, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.120 but I relate that to what I see happening in Minneapolis. 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.880 And when you have all this fraud that is associated 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.960 with the Somali community there, and the daycarees and the 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.480 home healthcare and all that kind of stuff. When you 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:11.000 have all that going on and a lot of people 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.479 dare to criticize that, Well, then you're called an islamaphobe, 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.200 You're called a racist, you're called a bigot, you're called 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.440 anti immigration, all that kind of stuff. So am I 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.920 making the right connection there? Or am am I off 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:25.640 base a little bit? 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.240 No, you're making the right connection. And I'll even go 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:33.360 as far as this, Well, I have a friend who 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:39.800 is actually a refugee. She's Somali. She's a refugee from Kenya. 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.600 She was in the refugee camps and Kenya came to America. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.200 It's probably the most pro American person I've ever met, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:51.160 lovely person, and she would get attacked from other Somalis 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.320 when she would say, hey, this is wrong, we shouldn't 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:58.479 be doing this. And so that's what happens going after whistleblowers. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:00.760 So when people say, where are the Somali who want 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.480 to criticize this, Well, they live there and they will 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:08.760 become after by the majority. Unfortunately, there is the culture 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.560 about protecting itself, so you're not allowed to criticize these things. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:18.920 You're not allowed to criticize the culture of female mutilation, right, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.760 which is one of the things that she was publicly 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.920 criticizing because that is something that is happening, whether it's 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.640 happening here or they take the girls and send them 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.640 overseas that do it, but it is still something that 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.720 is being practiced, and most people don't want to talk 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.800 about it because it is part of an immigrant community. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.000 And we're not supposed to criticize immigrants because of these poor 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:42.120 few people who can't do anything wrong. So, you know, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:47.480 this is something that you know, managing people, managing cultures 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.720 is delicate. America does a really good job at it 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.880 at times, but not every time. And we can't be 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.280 too brazen to think that we can't become like Europe. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.240 Well yeah, and I appreciate I appreciate your your thoughts 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.360 on that, and I think we get to the point 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:10.200 to where we get when we have the debate on this, 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:13.480 we get to the point to where we lose the 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:17.120 ability to say, hey, there's nothing wrong with American culture. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.760 It would be great. You look, we want to respect 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.640 where you come from, we want to respect what you're about. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.200 But when you come to America, you know, learn to 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.800 speak the language, you know, or fly the American fleck. Uh, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.200 you know, all this. You know, you know you're a 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.440 you're a Somali American, or you're an African American or 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.000 this or that American. Now why why don't you just 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.160 try to become an American? And I think by and 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:45.600 large American people respect that and love that. But when 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:47.800 you go the other way around and you start talking 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.920 about the American way of doing X, y or Z 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.200 is wrong, then that's where the divide comes in. 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:01.600 Yeah. Absolutely, and listen, we're not Our country has changed 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.080 over the years, over the decades, and I feel that 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.120 we tend to progress in the right direction. Not with everything, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.520 but we tend to progress in the right direction. You know, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:15.159 today is not the nineteen sixties. You know, we've in 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.480 certain social things, we've progressed in the right direction. But 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.560 that doesn't mean that everything that we've ever done is wrong, 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.320 or that the central point or the central ideas of 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.160 our nation are wrong. Right, we have a north star, 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.680 and that's why we should follow towards We're going to 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.000 get it wrong because human beings are imperfect, not just 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:38.600 Americans are imperfect. But I think if we keep going 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.440 towards that north star of having a culture that does 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:47.439 the right thing, that is constitutional. That is accepting of 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:52.720 people no matter the race, background or anything. As long 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.800 as they are accepting of our culture, then we're cool 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.159 with that. And so that's why some of my favorite 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.280 people are in because they're here for. 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:01.800 The right ingw. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.600 Yeah, many of them are more pro American than the Americans. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:06.320 They were born here. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.199 Absolutely, that is beautiful. Yeah, And when it happens like that, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.560 it's a beautiful thing. Adam B. Coleman. This is why 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.880 I love having you on because your takes on these 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.160 things are are so refreshing and so uniquely your own. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.000 And I appreciate the time. I appreciate the work you do, 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.320 and I always look at your columns in the New 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.240 York Post. The book is Black Victim, the Black Victor. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.439 Adam B. Coleman. I can't thank you enough for the 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.720 time today. Keep up the great work, and I certainly 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.119 look forward to the conversations that we're going to have 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.360 in twenty twenty six years. All right, Adam BE Coleman, Well, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.280 thank you, all the best to you, and happy New year. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.280 Nine to twenty seven. Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan seven 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:52.040 hundred WLW A right, seven hundred WLW nine thirty eight. 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:56.520 Dan carrollin for Scott Sloan. So much going on today, 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.640 so much ground to cover. My next guest is a 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.320 state representative, Josh Williams. He serves the people of the 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.800 House District forty four up in Lucas County, Ohio. And 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:11.800 Josh Williams, your personal story is a is a great 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.879 inspiration for all. Started college by the age of thirty, 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:20.960 graduated from law school at the Toledo College of Law 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.840 by the time you were thirty five. Josh Williams, First 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:25.320 of all, it's great to have you back at seven 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:26.840 hundred wlw. 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.800 Andy, thanks for having me on this morning. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.120 Our own Bill Cunningham went to the Toledo College of Law. 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.639 Do they have a special wing there for him, or 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.800 a plaque or some sort of commemoration for the one 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.760 and only the great American Bill Cunningham there at Toledo 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:42.280 Law School. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.199 I didn't see anything while I was there, but we 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:49.080 may have to put out some requests for special recognition. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.000 Well that, yeah, that is a serious oversight on their part, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.960 so see to it if you can do anything about that. 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.679 Had we had you on the show, I don't know 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.040 two three weeks ago when when you first came out 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:06.920 with a letter that you sent to a DC wide 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.040 Department of Children in Youth and you are calling for 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:16.119 increased unannounced inspections of daycare centers across Ohio. All this 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.760 on the heels of a lot of speculation that there 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.680 may be a lot of unchecked fraud that has been 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.920 going on in the Columbus area and all around Ohio. 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:32.919 Since that time, I have seen I don't know a 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.439 dozen videos or so of individuals who have gone around 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.719 the Columbus area who have looked at some of these 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:44.200 daycare centers who and look, you can't judge a book 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.000 by a cover, but at the very least, I think 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:51.320 it gives rise to the notion that these places which 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:55.720 should be worthy of inspection or investigation. Have you seen 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.359 some of these videos and have you been able to 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.560 obtain any additional eviden and since you put out this 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.880 call for increased inspection of these places. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.360 Yeah, so we've had the opportunity to see. 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.840 A lot of the social media videos that continue to 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:15.360 raise concern in the Columbus area in Ohio and general, 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:19.679 not only in our daycare centers, but also when it 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.480 comes to home health AIDS or home daycare centers and 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:26.760 other areas of public subsidies, public assistance that is right 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.240 for fraud and abuse. We have come across additional evidence. 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.560 Some of it is fraud related, some of it is 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:38.960 abuse related, where people are just clearly abusing the system 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:43.040 and the intentions, and we need to close those loopholes. 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.919 But I'll even just point your listeners to the governor's 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:52.119 own press conference where he admitted that they had conducted 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.760 ten thousand inspections in the last year. We had over 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.560 five thousand childcare centers in the state of Ohio, so 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:02.520 that's on average two per center. They are required to 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.680 at least do one per year. So of those ten 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:11.200 thousand inspections, he didn't list how many violations there were, 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:16.160 how many reimbursements there were, or shutdowns. What he did 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.399 note was he noted that there was I believe around 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:24.479 one hundred and twenty four current complaints that were or 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.240 tips that were levied to DCY in the state of 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:30.960 Ohio since December, and of those one hundred and twenty four, 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:36.760 over sixty facilities had to reimburse the State of Ohio 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.000 is what he called them. Reimbursed the statable hiwh for overpayment, 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:43.800 and that's the politically correct way of saying. Of the 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:49.440 one hundred and twenty four complaints from individuals in the public, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.639 private investigative journalists. 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:54.159 Of those one hundred and twenty four. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:58.880 Complaints, sixty facilities were found to be committing some form 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:01.600 of fraud to where they had to reimburse the state 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.639 of ole Hire for overpayment. So the evidence is right 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:09.560 in his own press conference because another word for overpayment 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:12.760 and reimbursement is that they were paid for services that 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.560 they did not render. They were caught only after these 0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:20.000 complaints were levied by the public, and only then was 0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:24.400 the state of Ohio reimbursed for it. But my questions are, 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.320 why weren't they referred to the auditor's office for a 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.119 full investigation? Why weren't why weren't they referred to the 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:33.159 Attorney general for potential prosecution? 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.800 I think that's a great question. And it was it 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.640 Dwine himself or a spokesperson. I know I read that 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:45.239 the phrase associated with this was, you know what a 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.040 program like this, when money is going out, there's always 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.360 going to be some fraud. It's the cost of doing business. 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:55.520 Is that the right way that we should be looking 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:58.480 at an issue like this, Hey, you know some people 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.640 are stealing money. It's just the cost of doing business. 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:05.359 Absolutely not not when it comes to fraud. Now, I 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.080 believe that was a statement by his spokesmanber Des also 0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.600 had some statements that I disagree with as well, But 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.879 that is not the cost of doing business for the 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:17.520 state of Ohio. I will flip that phrase on its 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:18.960 head when. 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.120 I call for increased unannounced inspections. 0:24:22.400 --> 0:24:24.960 When you see the legislation that we will be introducing 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.479 on Thursday, where we have a press conference schedule at 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.080 two pm, which will be the most substantial oversight that 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.440 we're going to see across the entire country on these 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.840 childcare providers. When we introduce that legislation and the childcare 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.919 providers start crying about this additional oversight, that's when you 0:24:42.000 --> 0:24:45.520 tell them, this is the cost of doing business. If 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.680 you want to collect these public subsidies from the taxpayers 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:53.639 where they pay for childcare services for children in the 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.639 state of Ohio, and it's not the taxpayer's own child, 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.720 you are going to have additional oversight met and it's 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.159 going to be aligned with what current guidelines we have 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:08.040 for group homes and what currently is occurring in the 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:13.160 private sector where we see some really innovative things, and 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:17.520 where we see some facilities actually using these type of 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.440 techniques to avoid the type of supervision of children that 0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:22.879 they're supposed to do on a daily basis. But like 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:25.920 I said, it's more than just fraud, there's also abuse 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:28.320 of a system. So when I got a childcare provider 0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.880 that has three employees making minimum wage and the fifteen 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.600 kids that they are watching are all children of the 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:40.680 three employees, I think that's abuse of the system. That's 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:44.080 not what it was designed to do. Those employees are 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:48.320 eligible for these childcare subsidies because you are paying a 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:52.080 minimum wage and you're essentially creating a cycle of poverty 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.920 and making them dependent on hard working taxpayers to pay 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.800 for childcare. I don't need to pay you to watch 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.040 your own child, and we're seeing that time and time 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:06.280 again at these childcare centers in the Columbus area because 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.040 this is such a tight knit community. 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.880 So it seems to me, Josh Williams, based on what 0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:17.320 you're saying, is that the apparatus is in place to 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:24.000 have oversight of these programs, that the infrastructure is there 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:29.040 for the auditing of these programs, and to make sure 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:33.040 that this fraud doesn't happen. But for whatever reason, the 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.159 people who were there, maybe they're turning their head. I 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:38.840 don't know what's going on, but that apparatus is not 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.880 being used the way it's meant to be used. 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.919 Correct. And when you hear the governor say there's been 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:50.320 ten thousand inspections, he's not talking about fraud inspections. 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.680 Some of these inspections. 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:56.000 Are for safety concerns, and we you know, the next 0:26:56.040 --> 0:27:00.720 phase of citizen journalism in this straw scared. The state 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.480 of Ohio is not knocking on the door of a 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.120 daycare provider demanding to get entry, because if my child 0:27:06.160 --> 0:27:08.040 was in that daycare provider, I will feel a certain 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:10.639 type of way of a stranger knocking on that door. 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.840 And in the era of you know, people doing mass 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.080 shootings and trying to bring harm to certain communities, you know, 0:27:17.359 --> 0:27:20.200 we don't want people trying to gain entry into these 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.840 these daycare centers. But there is an area that's starting 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.720 to expand with public involvement, and that's going through all 0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.040 of these inspection reports finding how egregious some of these 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:33.320 inspection reports are. I've been referred to some of them 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.240 by constituents and other individuals across the state of Ohio. 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.919 And you know, my head Cook. We had a conversation 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.159 about some of these inspection reports that she cited in 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.320 some of her reporting on this about the safety concerns 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:49.000 that are in some of these facilities. That is egregious, 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.280 that's putting children in danger. Some of these ten thousand 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:56.520 inspections were just over safety concerns, they weren't over attendance irregularities. 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.800 And tell me why in the state of Ohio we 0:27:58.880 --> 0:28:03.240 still have the system of a daycare provider making paper 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.200 records of attendance and you having to go on site 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.600 to check those attendance records. I think we all would 0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.200 agree that we're talking about data centers in the state 0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:18.320 of Ohio. There are more modern ways of doing attendance 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:22.399 audits than going in person and asking to see your 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:26.879 paper records. Ohio needs to catch up to the modern age, 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.600 and the legislation that we will be introducing this week 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.199 will force Ohio to do just that. 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.960 Yeah, you mentioned Mahet Cook, and she was on with 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.920 Bill Cunningham, did a show with him last week, and 0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:41.520 she gave a very powerful interview about some of the 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.600 work that she did looking at some of these daycare centers, 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:48.480 how she was threatened by individuals that she encountered at 0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.120 some of these daycare centers, talking about the things that 0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:56.320 she saw with her own eyes. And again, it's not 0:28:56.400 --> 0:29:00.360 a conviction, it's not proof positive, but certainly gives rise 0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:04.000 to the notion that this warrants further inspection. This warrants 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:09.160 further investigation. So it seems the governor doesn't have a 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:13.320 real appetite for this. What about your colleagues up there 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.080 in Columbus, your fellow lawmakers that you work with. It 0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.480 seems like there is some appetite amongst them. And then 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.800 the other component of this is what kind of blowback 0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.520 When you take the bull by the horns on an 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:27.800 issue like this, you're going to get some blowback. You're 0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:30.720 going to get You're going to catch some heat. What's 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.120 that been like since you announced this notion that you 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:35.720 want to have these increased inspections. 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.640 Well, as you saw for my letter, you know, forty 0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.640 two of us sign on to a letter asking for 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.600 additional oversight using the powers that we invested in the 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.120 Department of Children and Youth when we created them two 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:52.240 years ago. That was the short term solution of saying, hey, 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:54.120 put your boots on the ground and do the job 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.640 that we gave you now, like we're not saying ignore 0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.680 the rest of sustainable wile, but we want to increase 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:04.200 effort where there's a hot spot of concern while we 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.840 provide a legislative fix. Then you're going to see a 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.120 slew of my colleagues sign on to the legislation that 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.640 we're introducing that is very reasonable. And we've met with 0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.360 DC why in regards to this. We've talked to the 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.960 Attorney General's office in regards to this, We've talked to 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:23.040 the Auditor's office in regards to the legislation we're introducing. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.040 We got the thumbs up from everybody that the solutions 0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.719 that we are proposing are not only workable, but are 0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:33.320 substantial steps in the right direction to prevent not just punished, 0:30:33.360 --> 0:30:36.400 but prevent waste fraud abuse in the childcare system. 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:38.720 And when I'm done introducing this legislation and we. 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.400 Get this moving, I'll move on to the next area 0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:46.800 of concern. To make sure that our constituents are confident 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:51.480 that the taxpayer dollars are being used and being watched. 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.680 Over by their elected officials appropriately. 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.400 Now when it comes to the blowback, of course I 0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.240 get blowback. I've got slew of members of the Somali 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.560 community on my social media at tagging me and stuff 0:31:01.560 --> 0:31:03.479 and calling me a big and calling me a racist 0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.640 and calling me a Nazi. But as you alluded to earlier, 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:12.040 I got a very difficult upbringing. I overcame tremendous adversity, 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.080 you know, being homeless in a high school dropout, and 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.040 you know, being disabled for almost six years, fighting through 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.760 that injury and forty procedures, having metal put in my 0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.080 spine just to go to coge at thirty and graduating 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.120 all the way from being a freshman to walking across 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.960 the stage with my bachelors and then eventually my Juris 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:32.280 doctorate in just five years. 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:32.800 Amazing. 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.000 I've overcome so much tremendous odds that that type of 0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.160 criticism is like. 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.320 Saw it on my shoulder. I just prush it off, 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:41.240 and a lot of times I. 0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.800 Do it bring it, bringing a little bit better than 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:44.480 what they're bringing it. 0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:48.360 Right now, Oh yeah, like that, that little bit of 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.000 that criticism. 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.520 Doesn't matter to me. You know, if I didn't want criticism, 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:55.200 I just would have stayed in the private sector, continuing 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:57.480 to do my law work where I was rising, starting 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.200 the legal community here in northwest Ohio. I wouldn't went 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.720 into public service if I didn't want criticism. I really 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.640 don't care. I believe, you know, through God's. 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:07.040 Grace and mercy, he brought me through. 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.800 Some difficult times to bring hope back to a generation 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:15.840 and to provide enough oversight and creative ideas to help 0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.720 millions of people overcome adversity like I overcame. So I'm 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.960 trying to make it easier for the next generation. And 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.400 one thing that we have to understand is that you 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:29.600 are being taxed and your money is being used and abused. 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:33.800 So one I owe it to the taxpayer to guarantee 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.360 I do everything on my effort to provide oversight of 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.840 taxpayer dollars. Two that I reduce taxes. One way that 0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:43.320 I reduce taxes is I reduce spending. One way that 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.959 I reduce spending as I reduced the amount of fraud 0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:50.000 and abuse in the system. There are interconnected. The more 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.440 waste fraud abuster is, the more money I got to 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.840 generate to pay for, the more taxes we have to have. 0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.880 And that's anti Republican So we're taking a different approach. 0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:00.880 We're going to cut down on this stuff. We're going 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.920 to increase penalties for a fraud being committed in the 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:06.920 state of Ohio. We're going to increase the availability of 0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.640 cutting off funding to these providers that are using our 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:13.120 system just to pad their own pockets and not providing 0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.640 a real resource to the community. And I do want 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:19.400 to provide one last thing that we haven't been discussing 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:23.320 a lot that I want to highlight. What these videos 0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.680 showed me is that many of these workers that these 0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:29.640 daycare centers do not speak proficient English. How are they 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:34.200 getting these children prepared for Kennergarten if you can't teach 0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:39.200 them proficient English in the daycare centers themselves. That's why 0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.600 you're seeing a large number of students not prepared for Kennygarten. 0:33:42.720 --> 0:33:46.480 A large number of our tax dollars go as supplemental 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:49.680 funding the school districts when kids can't speak English as 0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.920 their primary language. And in addition, we're also. 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:55.720 Seen on these videos where these centers. 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:59.720 Are refusing to enroll students that are not smiling. That 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.200 is a clear violation of the federal rules that they 0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.160 signed onto anti discrimination policies that they signed on to 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:09.680 to be licensed in the state of Ohio. We need 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:14.360 to start investigating that this is not a subsidized childcare 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:15.840 for one particular group. 0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:17.959 Imagine if we did that on race. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.840 Imagine if I tried to drop off my kit to 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:23.440 a daycare facility, because I'm Black, I'm not allowed enrolled, 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:25.360 or because I'm White, I'm not allowed to row or 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:30.040 Mexican people will be up in arms. So because there's 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.040 a community that says they're only going to enroll people 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.520 from their community, that should be a huge red flag 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:39.000 right now to the Department of Children in Youth that 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.279 there needs to be an enforcement effort that these are 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.880 publicly funded childcare facilities that must be open to the public, 0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.520 and anyone that wants to enroll their children, if they're denied, 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.880 there should be a private right of action against that 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:51.800 childcare provider. 0:34:52.960 --> 0:34:56.000 Josh Williams makes perfect sense to me. We've only got 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:58.759 about thirty seconds left here and I got to let 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.759 you go. But I've seen so much reporting on this 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.320 and so much speculation. When you look at what's happening 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.200 in Minnesota, they're saying the fraud there could be an 0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.279 excess of nine billion dollars. Some are saying that what 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.720 is happening here in Ohio could be worse than even 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:17.040 what's happening in Minnesota. Do you have any sense at all, 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.880 based on what you've learned to this point, that that 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.320 may be even close to being true. 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.440 Yeah. I don't think we're even close to the amount 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:27.640 that we saw in Minnesota. I don't even think we're 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.680 going to hit a billion dollars of fraud from these 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:34.759 type of child care scams. But any dollar amount that 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.799 is committed to fraud is a concern. And I well, 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.600 we're different from Minnesota is that you have a Republican 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:47.360 elected General Assembly, statewide officials here in Ohio compared to Minnesota, 0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.879 where Minnesota at a state level turned the blind eye 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:53.680 and refuse to enforcement. Here we are looking at these 0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.800 blue bubbles across the state of Ohio have a increased 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:59.839 fraud and the Republican rest of the state is going 0:35:59.880 --> 0:36:02.560 to be responsive in providing oversight. So you are gonna 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.680 we're gonna get better answers here in the stateable how 0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:05.960 than you'll ever see in Minnesota. 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.120 All Right with that, Josh Williams, we got to run 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.319 keep up the great work and maybe we'll have you 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:13.839 on again after your news conference on Thursday, so we're 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.160 looking forward to that. Josh Williams, thank you so much, 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.080 and keep up the great work and we'll be talking 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:22.560 to you again before too long. All right, there you go, 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:26.600 Josh Williams. He's out of here. Nine fifty six. Pretty 0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.640 good stuff right there. Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan, seven 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:37.520 hundred WLW back on the big one, seven hundred WLW 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:41.520 ten oh eight. Dan Carrolyn for Scott Sloan. Glad to 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.000 be here. Glad you are here as well. And I 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:50.360 want to thank my last guest guys. Just fantastic. Josh Williams, 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.839 State Rep. Graduated from the Toledo Law School, same as 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.640 Bill Cunningham, a great American. Kevin Aldridge from the Cincinnati Inquirer. 0:36:57.840 --> 0:36:59.800 He is the opinion editor there. He will be my 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:03.960 guest after the news at the bottom of the hour, 0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:06.480 and get ready for the show. Today. I saw this 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:13.000 peace on WCPO channel nine about dozens of protesters gathering 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:19.000 in Newport to speak out against local jail holding ICE detainees, 0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.560 and some of these individuals talking about they are out 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:28.920 there to speak up against holding immigrants, mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:33.040 right there in that building, right there, said Michael Staverman. 0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:40.800 As an American, I feel extremely disappointed. Protesters brought banners 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:45.680 and flags and homemade signs, and you know, they just 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.600 just don't want to see these good people being locked 0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:54.200 up unnecessarily. Well is that true? Is that? I mean, 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.839 are these really the kind of people that you want 0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:00.000 to go to bat for? And I asked that because 0:38:00.000 --> 0:38:05.400 because when you look at not every single one, but 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:08.719 a lot of the individuals who are getting arrested by ICE, 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:15.280 and isn't people with serious, serious crimes under their belt 0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:22.359 in Minnesota for example? And then look, I'm not saying 0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:28.840 that people that are arrested in Kentucky have these same 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:36.319 crimes to their credit, but chances are some of them do. 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.040 Are these people you really want to stand up for? 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:44.400 Amid their enforcement surge, federal immigration authorities have nabbed the 0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:48.760 worst of the worst criminal illegal migrants all across the land, 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:54.120 according to ICE director Todd Lyons, While deporting officers nab 0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.360 gruesome individuals throughout Minnesota and the country, high profile Democrat 0:38:58.480 --> 0:39:02.880 politicians and folks like we saw a Newport over the 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:09.160 weekend are publicly demanding that they leave immediately. Regardless of 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.800 stage political theatrics, ICE is going to continue to arrest 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:17.680 the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:22.560 and elsewhere. Some of these criminal aliens have had final 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:27.600 orders for removal for thirty years, but they have been 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:32.640 free to terrorize people across Minnesota and across the country. 0:39:35.920 --> 0:39:37.520 Let's see, let me get to the part where they 0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:41.760 talk about here we go. Among those recently arrested, Serderon 0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:48.000 Pavey and Aleotian criminal illegal migrant convicted of both and 0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:52.200 I've never heard this term before, strong armsodomy of a 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.640 boy and a girl, a slate of other crimes. Tuvang 0:39:55.680 --> 0:40:00.600 who's also a Laotian criminal illegal migrant convict a sexual 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.560 assault in sodomy of a girl under the age of thirteen, 0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:09.040 procuring a child for prostitution. According to ICE, both men 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:14.279 have outstanding final orders for their removal that date back 0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:18.200 several years. So they have final orders, So this means 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:22.480 they've already received due process, and that is the case 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:27.280 with many of these individuals that wind up getting arrested. 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:31.279 Another illegal immigrant from Laos convicted of raping a twelve 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.640 year old girl kidnapping a child with intent to sexually 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.920 assault her. Also taken into custody by ice. Another criminal 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:45.320 illegal migrant from Laos now by deportation officers, previously convicted 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:49.480 of rape fooling a child. So many of these individuals 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:56.720 have crimes as they and have children as their victim. 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:58.879 So is this really what you want to stand up 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:03.480 for when you're out there demonstrating in front of these 0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:07.839 federal buildings. Now it's true, they could be fathers, they 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:12.200 could be brothers, they could be all kinds of good people. 0:41:14.239 --> 0:41:16.560 But I'd say, just, you know, look a little closer 0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.880 at who's being arrested. If you go to Homeland Security 0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:26.520 has a website. If you go to DHS dot gov, 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.760 you will find the Department of Homeland Security. They're highlighting 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:38.480 the worst of the worst criminal aliens arrested by Immigration 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:43.200 and Customs enforcement. And you can go and you can 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.319 I mean you can scroll. There's let me see, there's 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.000 how many pages are There's one hundred. Now there's one 0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:54.520 and thirty eight pages. And they've got mugshots of these individuals. 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:59.359 Here's a woman arrested from Mexico, cruelty towards a child, 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:04.719 hit and run, criminal threats. Here's a dude from Somalia, 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.400 sexual conduct, fourth degree of a victim thirteen to fifteen 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:15.600 years old. Dude, Another dude from Mexico, child abduction, I mean, Honduras, 0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:24.120 domestic battery, Honduras resisting arrest, domestic abuse, domestic abuse, child endangerment. 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.560 And it goes on and on and on, page after 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:33.160 page after page of the worst individuals. So you hear 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:37.480 this narrative that they're just rounding up people who are 0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.840 minding their own business, people who are trying to work, 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:45.239 people who are paying taxes. Yeah, that's not really necessarily 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:50.600 true in all cases. What else is not necessarily true 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:59.600 is that the woman remain a Cold Good, unfortunately killed 0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:05.600 by ICE agents in Minneapolis, was just a mother who 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:11.040 was there dropping her child off at school, wound up 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:13.720 in the middle of this Ice enforcement was just trying 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:17.000 to get out of the way. Well, there was additional 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:23.440 video that came out over the weekend that shows Renain 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:28.280 a Cold Good in her vehicle repeatedly honking a horn, 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:36.320 blocking the street, engaging with ICE officers, And there is 0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:39.719 a narrative out there that what they were trying to do, 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:44.000 what part of their training was was. They wanted to 0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:48.000 create a confrontation. They wanted to have a situation where 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:52.759 there would be some sort of physical altercation with ice officers. 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:56.680 Get the video of that, get it out there, great propaganda. 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:01.560 Look at these federal agents beating up on a helpless woman, 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:07.000 taking her down. Terrible. Look all that sort of thing. 0:44:08.719 --> 0:44:12.680 They wanted it out there. This is a woman who 0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:19.440 was referred to as a warrior, so she was a warrior, 0:44:19.560 --> 0:44:21.880 died doing what was right. Said a mother named Lisa, 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.960 whose child attends the same school, the same school. And 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:27.919 this is a woman who took her six year old 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:34.080 to a school, her son's charter school, and the charter 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:40.719 school says that they put social justice first and prioritize 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:45.480 involving kids in political and social activism. That is the 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:51.760 school she was taking her kid to prioritize social justice 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:58.759 and involving kids in political and social activism. I don't 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:01.439 know about you. I've had six year old. My kids 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.120 are a lot older now than six years old. If 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.920 I was going to enroll them in a private school, 0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:18.120 a school whose first priority is involving kids in these 0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:26.960 sorts of things as social justice and involving kids in 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:31.960 social activism and political activism. If that's their if that's 0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:35.600 their main focus, I'm not taking my kid there. Maybe 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:39.160 you wouldn't either at six years old. I think the 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.200 kid has a lot more important things to focus on 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:46.959 than social and political activism. But that's where that's where 0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:48.600 she took her Again, look, if that's what you want 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:52.440 to do, that by all means. But my point is 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.640 it adds to this narrative, and I think factual reporting 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:03.680 that she was an operative seeking to disrupt the operations 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:08.080 of these federal agents. So on the Sunday Shows, ilhan 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:12.120 Omar was out there on CBS and she was rolling 0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.640 out a new narrative about why this woman was not 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.680 at fault. And here's what il han Omar had to say, Dave, 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:19.719 can we hear cut number one? 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:20.000 Please? 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:24.040 If they are saying that he has ten years on 0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:28.240 service and is trained, he should know that you shouldn't 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.440 be trying to get in front of a moving. 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:36.000 Car and oh so brilliant, so smart as ill han Omer. 0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:40.040 This guy's been on the job for ten years, he's 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:44.719 got experience, he's got trained, he should know better. That 0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:48.439 is where that is the argument they're going to try 0:46:48.480 --> 0:46:53.640 to make now, she was true doing a trial a 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:55.960 trial balloon on that on Sunday shows. I don't know 0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:00.920 if that narrative is going to take but Ilha and 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:06.000 Omar got some of the best consultings she can get 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:11.040 from Democrat operatives. Put this out there. Yeah, the guy, 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:13.400 they take you ten years of training. Guys should have 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:17.040 known better. Don't stand in front of a moving car. Well, 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.960 you know what, the car wasn't moving when he initially 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:23.120 got into the position, and I'm not I don't look, 0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:27.760 We've been through this. I've been through this multiple times 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:33.759 already talking about how the ICE agents are not at fault. 0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:37.040 It was the fault of the woman who was driving 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:43.000 the car. Bottom line. So there was a piece written 0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.640 in town Hall by a guy named Kevin mccallaugh talking 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:53.279 about talking about ICE and what they engage in on 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:58.000 a regular basis, and he writes that the national media 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.160 has chosen the focus nearly exclusively on the fatal shooting 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:04.920 of Renee Good during that enforcement operation, portraying her as 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:08.279 an innocent victim, while largely ignoring the context of her 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.880 actions and the purpose of the operation she interfered with. 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:16.520 Let's be clear, Let's be clear about something that far 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:19.520 too many commentators refused to say out loud. Renee Good 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.680 was not a passive bystander. She inserted herself directly into 0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:27.759 a live federal law enforcement operation, used her vehicle to 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:32.760 obstruct officers who were actively attempting to decraine to detain 0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:37.560 criminal suspects. That intrusion matters, It's not incidental. It is 0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:43.360 central to understanding what unfolded. Federal agents were not conducting 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:46.919 a random sweep. They were executing targeted arrests of individuals 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:51.160 with violent criminal histories, as I just talked about a 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:54.880 few minutes ago. When a civilian deliberately interferes with that 0:48:55.000 --> 0:49:00.000 kind of operation, the risk level changes instantly for everyone involved. 0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:04.080 But while the media loops the same footage and politicians 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.479 rushed to microphones, another part of the ICE story goes 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:12.040 completely untold. In recent weeks, ICE has conducted enforcement actions 0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.400 in New Jersey that looked nothing like the caricature painted 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:20.800 by activists. Several undocumented construction workers were encouraged or encountered, 0:49:20.800 --> 0:49:24.479 i should say, by federal agents. One individual, well known 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:29.040 in his church community, was detained and deported after acknowledging 0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:33.320 his unlawful status. The process was orderly, respectful, and notably, 0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:36.280 the federal government has already offered him a legal pathway 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:40.600 to return to the United States. Another worker from the 0:49:40.640 --> 0:49:45.080 same site was detained, briefly questioned, and then released back 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.920 to his family. Here's why. He had no criminal record, 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.320 not a misdemeanor, no duy, not even a speeding ticket. 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:55.200 He's been paying taxes every year that he's lived in 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:58.600 the country, and he has receipts to prove it. He 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.160 has multiple children. One of his his sons currently serves 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.520 in the United States Armed Forces. Two years ago, he 0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:08.799 began the process of applying for legal status despite the 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:15.680 fact that he's technically here unlawfully. ICE exercised discretion. He 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.400 was not the port, not separated from his family. He 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:24.400 was not treated as a threat because he isn't one. 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.560 No protest marches were organized for him, No national headlines 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:33.160 were written, No elected officials held price conferences demanding ICE 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:37.840 be dismantled because of this case. Why. Because that story 0:50:37.920 --> 0:50:42.080 does not serve the outrage economy. ICE is not a monolith. 0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:46.200 It is not a rogue agency roaming the streets indiscriminately 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.600 in Minneapolis. It was focused on removing dangerous criminals in 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:57.960 New Jersey. They demonstrated judgment, restraint and compassion towards individuals 0:50:58.000 --> 0:51:02.520 who pose no threats to public safety. Both of these 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.759 things can be true at the same time, even though 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:10.560 the media refuses to acknowledge it. What we're witnessing right 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:13.120 now is not a serious debate over immigration policy. It's 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:17.799 a selective presentation of facts designed to provoke emotion while 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:22.960 suppressing context. One tragic death is being used to delegitimize 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:27.239 an entire enforcement system, even as that system is actively 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:33.840 removing rapists and murderers from American communities. The comparison that 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:37.080 no one wants to make is also the one that 0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:41.200 matters most. On one side are violent criminals with records 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:45.840 that justify removal. On the other side are non violent 0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:50.880 individuals who work, pay taxes, raise families. Are often handled 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:58.880 with discretion by ICE officers who understand the difference. So 0:51:58.960 --> 0:52:03.400 as I read this, this was actually news to me 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:08.440 that I did not know that ICE officers had this discretion. 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:12.120 So when they go on these roundups, they are looking 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:17.000 for individuals, and as ICE Christinome has said from the 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:20.080 very beginning, we are going after the worst of the worst. 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:25.400 Those individuals with criminal records who already have and in 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.000 buyo large they are not in every single case, but 0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:30.880 in the majority of cases, they already have orders for 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:35.319 removal because they are criminals and they have engaged in 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:40.319 some of the most unspeakable crimes you can imagine. So 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.280 when ICE encounters these people, they're going to go into 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.720 a workplace, They're going to go into an apartment building, 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:49.480 They're going to wherever these individuals are. Yeah, they're going 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:51.360 to put a lot of people in cuffs. But guess what, 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.560 after they talk to them, they find out who they are, 0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.000 they find out what's been going on. In a lot 0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:01.719 of cases, they take the cuffs off. You're free to go. 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:07.719 Keep doing what you're doing, just do it the right way. 0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:09.520 Did you know that? Did you know that ICE had 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:13.080 that discretion and they use it on America and or 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:18.839 on a regular basis. So these are ICE stories that 0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:22.840 you don't hear all the time, and until you start 0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:25.040 hearing them all the time, we're all going to be misled, 0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.600 not by agents on the ground, but by those who 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:33.759 profit politically from these half truths that are being told. 0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.319 And the truth, as Bill Cunningham always says, we'll set 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:44.040 you free. I didn't know that was going on, but 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.400 you know it now. Ten twenty six Kevin Aldridge of 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:49.800 the Inquiry coming up after the News at the bottom 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.800 of the hour, Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan, seven hundred 0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:59.719 WLW All right back on the big one, seven dred 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:02.800 LW ten thirty eight, Dan Carol sitting in for Scott 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:06.960 Sloan today. And there are so many things happening in 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:10.000 the city of Cincinnati right now. We've got the mayor 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:12.520 who's out there saying, hey, we need we need an 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:14.960 income tax, we need more income tax if we want 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.319 to have public safety. We've got city council who may 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.680 go into executive session today to work on a settlement 0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:24.759 for the Hinton family. And then the trial begins. Re 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:29.439 associated with the downtown brawl that had Cincinnati all over 0:54:29.520 --> 0:54:32.120 the all over the news or back in the this 0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:34.920 past summer, back in July and August, and it seemed 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:37.120 to go on for months and months and months. Joining 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:40.520 me now to touch on all these subjects is Kevin Aldridge, 0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.640 the opinion editor at the Cincinnati Inquirer. And Kevin, always 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:46.800 great to have you on. How you doing today, Hey. 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.200 I'm doing great, Dan, Happy New Year. I can't remember 0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:52.000 if we talked since the New Year, but in case 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:54.520 we have it, hope all is well. You're your family 0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:56.120 are blessed and always a pleasure. 0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.520 Well, I appreciate that, and then this may very well 0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:00.960 be the first time that we have spoken in twenty 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:06.200 twenty six. So the trial for Alexander Travinsky begins today. 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:09.040 How interested are you going to be in this? And 0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:12.920 do you think there's any possibility that we're going to 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:17.040 glean anything new from what happened in this brawl incident 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:22.080 back in July? Well, how can you not be interested 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:22.319 in it? 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:25.279 I mean, this was a subject that you know, sort 0:55:25.320 --> 0:55:29.840 of dominated conversation in Cincinnati for several months this past summer, 0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:34.400 and mister Travinsky was at one of the key figures 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.960 and at the center point it is. So, you know, 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.680 who knows what will come out in court. I think 0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:42.920 there is the possibility there's some new details or some 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:47.799 further elaboration or explanation about how things got started, what 0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:50.600 was said and done, you know, perhaps all of that 0:55:50.600 --> 0:55:52.640 could come out in testimony. So I think there's a 0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:55.600 possibility that we could get some new information and insight 0:55:56.440 --> 0:55:59.319 that we that we haven't had before, and if I'm 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.399 not mistaken, you know, I could be wrong. 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.719 I don't get to see or read everything. 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:07.919 But I don't know that we've actually, you know, heard 0:56:08.040 --> 0:56:13.160 any kind of commentary or statement or testimony anything like 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:15.360 that for mister Travinsky. Now, I don't know if he'll 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:18.719 wind up, you know, giving any testimony or anything like that, 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.680 but certainly if he does, that would be certainly worth 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:25.040 hearing and something I. 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.239 Think we would all be interested in. Yeah, I don't 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.520 know if he has spoken yet to I don't recall 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:34.399 him having spoken to any media sources to this point. 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.520 I know his lawyer has come out and said some 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.320 things and said, essentially, look, the video that came out 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:43.640 after the fact on all of this really proves that 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:46.160 his client is an innocent man. So we will see 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:50.600 how that plays out in court. Today city Council is 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:53.360 going to have a meeting, at least a committee of 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.000 the City Council is going to have a meeting. The 0:56:56.040 --> 0:56:59.640 Budget and Finance Committee is meeting at one at which 0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:02.239 point they may go into executive session, we are told, 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.840 and at that executive session there may be a settlement 0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:11.200 discussed about the hint in case the idea, and this 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:15.280 broke huge. It was last Thursday night. I had Ken coberon. 0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:18.200 I was on the radio Thursday night. I had Ken coberon. 0:57:18.600 --> 0:57:23.680 He was very upset that apparently this negotiation has been 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.880 going on it quietly, I guess is the way to 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.760 us say it really without any notice. And there are 0:57:30.760 --> 0:57:32.720 a lot of city council members who said they had 0:57:32.760 --> 0:57:37.720 no no concept that this was going on. How do 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:41.760 you see this? The idea that the city of Cincinnati 0:57:41.800 --> 0:57:46.840 would be looking to reach what could be a multimillion 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:51.840 dollar settlement with the family of this individual, Ryan Hinton Junior, 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:56.920 eighteen years old, fatally shot by Cincinnati police. The prosecutor 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.920 County Pillage looked at it, said, hey, look, everything was 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:04.760 by the book here, nothing nothing worth prosecuting. The idea 0:58:04.840 --> 0:58:08.480 that our city manager would be looking to pay this city, 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:12.240 uh maybe millions of dollars. How does that sit with you? 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:15.920 When the way this whole story has rolled out. How 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:22.600 do you see it? Dan, you're still there? Yeah, Kevin, 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:23.040 you got me? 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:25.800 Oh okay, yeah, yeah, sorry I thought I lost you 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:26.280 for a minute. 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:26.640 That's okay. 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:29.840 Yeah. So so so here's what I'll say. 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:35.880 This comes as no surprise when when the hint and 0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:40.120 shooting first happened, and this was even before Connie Pillage, 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:44.880 you know, uh exonerated the officer in the particular thing. 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:48.680 I said, this was coming. Look, this is this is predictable. 0:58:48.760 --> 0:58:52.840 These sorts of situations and incidents carry a particular cadence, 0:58:53.480 --> 0:58:56.440 not just here in Cincinnati, but across the country. And 0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:58.640 I and I said, in the wake of the shooting, 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:01.720 you can probably expend that the officer will not be 0:59:01.880 --> 0:59:07.000 held responsible or he will be justified in the shooting, 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:10.720 but that the family might also come back with a lawsuit. 0:59:10.760 --> 0:59:14.240 Now the family hasn't filed a lawsuit yet, but I 0:59:14.280 --> 0:59:20.960 think anybody with a modicum of understanding about how these 0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:24.440 things go knew that that was probably coming. 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:25.320 Right. 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:28.080 It was predictable. I predicted it. I said that it 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.600 was going to happen. So what you probably have seen 0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:36.640 happen here is lawyers from the city with lawyers of 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:41.280 the estate from mister Hinton have probably been having some conversations. 0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:44.600 And what people have to recognize is is that in 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:49.280 civil cases, the burden of proof and liability is different 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:52.240 than in a criminal case, which is like ninety eight 0:59:52.280 --> 0:59:54.880 percent or something like that. You know where it has 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.680 to be beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case, 0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:00.440 you don't have to have that same burden in a 1:00:00.480 --> 1:00:04.280 civil case. People are most familiar with the oj Simpson case. 1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:09.560 He was acquitted in criminal court but found libel in 1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:15.520 civil court, and so there's risk that's higher whether the 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:19.120 officer has been justified in the shooting by the city 1:00:19.200 --> 1:00:22.080 or not. If this were to go to court, there 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:27.880 would be less of a burden on Hinton's family to 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.840 make the case against the city. On top of that, 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:35.840 you go through that legal proceeding. If the lawsuit is filed, 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:39.680 who knows what else comes out in depositions, in court 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:43.320 testimony that the city might not want to come out 1:00:43.720 --> 1:00:48.920 That could be even more damaging than going ahead and 1:00:48.960 --> 1:00:51.400 trying to settle these cases. So I think if you 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:56.480 want to look at it from a legal monetary standpoint, 1:00:56.560 --> 1:00:59.640 we know a lot of times settlements are reached because 1:01:00.360 --> 1:01:03.800 at least one party recognizes that it could be far 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:07.560 more costly, not just monetarily, but in damage to the 1:01:07.600 --> 1:01:11.520 reputation of the city, the police department, and who knows 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.400 what that does to community relations. So I think if 1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:18.040 you want to in an emotional moment say oh, this 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.479 might be a bad move for the city. You haven't 1:01:20.520 --> 1:01:25.360 thought it through completely to all of the tendrils and 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.600 things that are out there. Here's one of the other 1:01:27.640 --> 1:01:31.000 things that I would add that might be a calculation. 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:31.200 By the city. 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:36.680 If this thing goes to court, Police Chief Teresa Thiji 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:40.000 probably is going to have to testify in that case. 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:43.400 She's under investigation by the city. Is that really a 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:47.040 witness that if you're the city of Cincinnati right now 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:52.000 you want testifying in a potential case that could result 1:01:52.040 --> 1:01:54.280 in millions of dollars of payout. So there are a 1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:57.960 lot of calculations that I think people haven't sort of 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:01.360 fully thought through about why the city might be entertaining 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:02.400 these conversations. 1:02:02.960 --> 1:02:05.720 I want to talk about Teresa Thichi, But when getting 1:02:05.760 --> 1:02:08.960 back to the hinting story here and the possible settlement, 1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:13.240 I don't think you can divorce from this. What happened 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.720 after the video was viewed by the family, and that 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:20.080 is that the father of this young man went out 1:02:20.160 --> 1:02:24.439 and there's information that during this meeting where they were 1:02:24.680 --> 1:02:27.080 showing the video to the family, the police chief was 1:02:27.120 --> 1:02:30.800 there that mister Hinton took a swing at the police chief, 1:02:30.840 --> 1:02:33.080 which is a crime in and of itself. He was 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:35.400 not detained for that at all, went out and then 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:39.960 wound up mowing down sheriff Deputy Larry Henderson in cold blood. 1:02:40.040 --> 1:02:43.439 So I think you can see why Ken Kober and 1:02:43.600 --> 1:02:46.480 the rest of law enforcement, not just Cincinnati police but 1:02:46.480 --> 1:02:49.960 Hamilton County Sheriff's deputies as well, are highly upset about 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:52.920 this because this looks like an absolute slap in the 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:56.160 face to law enforcement to say that we are going 1:02:56.240 --> 1:03:00.400 to go back to the family of this individual, who 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:05.080 is very likely I at this point it's all alleged 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:08.720 but very likely, and we really haven't heard any facts 1:03:08.760 --> 1:03:12.480 otherwise to dispute it, ran down, mowed down the sheriff's 1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:17.960 depany in cold blood. Is this not just a disrespectful 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:21.920 gesture as disrespectful as you can possibly get towards the 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:24.640 Sheriff's office in Cincinnati Police. 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:27.560 Well, it would be, it would be, and that might 1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.760 be relevant if Rodney Hinton was getting any of this 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:36.200 settlement money, but he's not. This particular conversation or negotiation 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:40.920 is between the estate of the young man who was killed, 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:45.480 which is his I think the executor of that that 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:49.600 whole estate is his mother's mother. So if you've noticed, 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:53.880 the family has been seemingly, at least publicly, from what 1:03:53.880 --> 1:03:57.400 they've displayed in the media, trying very much to separate 1:03:57.520 --> 1:04:02.320 themselves and their claim on what happened to young mister 1:04:02.400 --> 1:04:06.040 Hinton from the actions. 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:06.240 That the father took out. 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:08.760 From what I've seen or heard, no one in that 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:12.120 family has defended or condoned what. 1:04:13.640 --> 1:04:15.080 The father did in this case. 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:18.800 And so I think to conflate what the estate is 1:04:18.840 --> 1:04:21.880 trying to get for the young man to what the 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:25.560 father did, I think it's disingenuous, nor is it accurate. 1:04:26.000 --> 1:04:28.960 So I think what Ken Cober is trying to suggest 1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:33.280 in saying that crime pays is that somehow mister Hinton 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:36.200 is going to be the beneficiary from anything that the 1:04:36.200 --> 1:04:39.360 family gets. And that's just not accurate and it's not true. 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:43.600 And I think that mister Kober has more of a 1:04:43.680 --> 1:04:45.960 responsibility to speak. Now, if you want to be critical 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:49.560 of what mister Hinton did, certainly I don't think anybody 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:53.200 condones that. Says that it was right, and he'll, you know, 1:04:53.280 --> 1:04:56.680 he'll pay for the penalty of that, assuming that, you know, 1:04:56.720 --> 1:05:00.200 a jury finds him guilty of that crime. But I 1:05:00.200 --> 1:05:04.360 think to conflate what the family is going through, which 1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:07.600 they have every legal right to do, to challenge this thing, 1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:10.800 potentially civilly, with what the father did. I think to 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:14.800 conflate those two things is not accurate, nor is it fair, 1:05:15.000 --> 1:05:16.520 and nor does it help the situation. 1:05:16.760 --> 1:05:20.040 Well, well, you know, I think when you look at 1:05:20.080 --> 1:05:23.960 it in context, when you have just a month or 1:05:24.000 --> 1:05:26.400 so ago, we had the announcement of this settlement for 1:05:26.480 --> 1:05:30.880 individuals who were rioting in downtown Cincinnati after the George 1:05:30.880 --> 1:05:34.240 Floyd incident in Minneapolis. That was an eight point one 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:37.280 million dollar settlement. Then comes word that there's going to 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:42.320 be another settlement with an individual who the video shows 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:45.880 it running from police, dropped the weapon, picked it up, 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:49.920 turned towards cops, could have fired a shot. Police shot 1:05:49.960 --> 1:05:54.360 first ended his tragically, sadly and ended his life. And 1:05:55.240 --> 1:06:01.080 just the idea that we are so gun about taking 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:04.480 these cases to court, standing up for our police department 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:07.160 to say, look, we were in the right, We were 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:08.840 in the right. When the mayor came out and said 1:06:08.840 --> 1:06:11.640 there's a curfew and you can't have that curfew and 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:16.040 these individuals got arrested, it just seems that it's more 1:06:16.760 --> 1:06:20.080 on one hand, giving lip service to the notion that yes, 1:06:20.200 --> 1:06:22.840 as city leaders, we have your back, but then when 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:25.240 the rubber hits the road, well they may not have 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:25.920 their back at all. 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:30.000 Well, and again, here's what I'm saying. If you want 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:32.120 to look at it from that simplistic of a point 1:06:32.160 --> 1:06:35.440 of view, you can certainly look at that and say, oh, 1:06:35.520 --> 1:06:39.000 this is the city not standing up, you know, and defending. 1:06:38.600 --> 1:06:39.800 Its police officers. 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:42.800 But let me ask you this, Dan so whatever, and 1:06:42.840 --> 1:06:45.560 there's no I don't care what anybody says. There's no 1:06:45.760 --> 1:06:50.400 concrete dollar figure that anybody can say exists as accurate 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:53.720 because we don't know, right, King Kobert doesn't it. King 1:06:53.760 --> 1:06:56.840 Kobert doesn't know. People on city Council don't know. So 1:06:56.920 --> 1:07:01.200 anybody who's out there talking about multi million dollar settlement 1:07:01.800 --> 1:07:04.520 is just blowing smoke because they don't know. There are 1:07:04.520 --> 1:07:07.320 no dollar figures that have been reported to the public 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:10.800 or put out there, nor would there be, because even 1:07:10.840 --> 1:07:14.120 if you were in this kind of legal negotiation with 1:07:14.200 --> 1:07:17.000 the family, you're not going to discuss that in public 1:07:17.080 --> 1:07:21.200 because you know, you give away any leverage position that 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:24.200 you would by exposing where your game plan is no 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:28.440 lawsuit or settlement is ever discussed in the public, city 1:07:28.520 --> 1:07:32.280 or otherwise. So this notion that it should have been public. 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:36.880 People who say that, you know, won't be satisfied by 1:07:36.920 --> 1:07:39.600 making it public that the city winds up coming out 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:45.040 of many more millions of dollars for sort of politics 1:07:45.120 --> 1:07:45.600 we had. 1:07:45.640 --> 1:07:47.760 We had at least two council members come out over 1:07:47.800 --> 1:07:49.640 the weekend and say they had no knowledge of this. 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:52.160 So it seems to me, and you know that that's 1:07:52.240 --> 1:07:56.520 embarrassing if the city. Yeah, it seems to me that 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:59.680 at least city council should have some knowledge that that 1:07:59.760 --> 1:08:02.560 this the test types of negotiations are in progress. 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:05.480 Dan if I predicted this two or. 1:08:05.400 --> 1:08:08.240 Three months ago that this was going, that there would 1:08:08.280 --> 1:08:10.720 there would be these types of conversations. I'm not on 1:08:10.800 --> 1:08:12.560 city council, I'm not elected official. 1:08:12.880 --> 1:08:15.160 I'm a journalist who's who's. 1:08:14.920 --> 1:08:17.400 Been at this for a long time. And so for 1:08:17.479 --> 1:08:20.479 a city council member to say that they had no 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:24.720 inkling or clue, it's troubling because they should if I 1:08:25.120 --> 1:08:27.719 could predict it and see it, they should have seen 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:31.200 it coming down the road. They should have been asking questions, 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:35.000 why aren't they having conversations with their city manager and 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:38.559 the attorney asking for reports, saying where are we at 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:43.639 on this? Come on man, well on to admit that they're. 1:08:43.479 --> 1:08:45.519 Ignorant to that. Well, not only did they say they 1:08:45.560 --> 1:08:47.600 didn't know about it, but they're opposed to to a 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:50.840 settlement like this taking place. So there's that in the 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:54.000 time that we have less left. We have not spoken 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:57.479 since f Taed Purval came out and proposed this income 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:02.519 tax increase and essentially said, luck, We've talked a lot 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:06.120 about public safety during the campaign. I taught. I spoke 1:09:06.160 --> 1:09:07.920 to Corey Bowman. I said, you were there at all 1:09:07.960 --> 1:09:10.920 the debates. I do not recall the notion of a 1:09:11.000 --> 1:09:14.240 tax increase so we can have public safety or enhance 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:17.760 public safety or whatever the mayor talks about when he 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:20.400 talks about this increase and how wonderful it's going to be. 1:09:20.880 --> 1:09:25.960 Were you what was your take on Aftab Purval coming 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:31.240 out during his inauguration to drop this on the taxpayers 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:32.800 of the city of Cincinnati. 1:09:34.360 --> 1:09:35.519 Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting. 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:37.920 So the debate that we hosted between him and Bowman 1:09:38.000 --> 1:09:41.919 and Xavier that was a specific question that I asked, 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:44.599 you know, both candidates what they say, What did he say, 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:48.120 did they favor Yeah. The mayor said he would not 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:50.280 rule out He said he would not rule out a 1:09:50.320 --> 1:09:53.599 tax increase. I think he said something along the lines of, hey, 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:55.600 you know, we don't know what the budget might be, 1:09:55.720 --> 1:09:58.160 we don't know what economic factors might hit us, so 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:02.040 it was impossible for him to rule out the possibility 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:05.639 of increasing taxes. So he never said that he wouldn't 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:08.680 raise taxes, which, you know, we're kind of looking for 1:10:08.720 --> 1:10:11.760 a yes or no answer to that question just in 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:14.040 case things like this come up. So he did leave 1:10:14.120 --> 1:10:18.040 himself that window for the possibility of a tax increase. 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:22.600 Now he didn't tie that specifically to public safety or 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:26.559 or anything like that. I think, you know, at that 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:30.360 particular time, you know, maybe we were thinking, you know, 1:10:30.439 --> 1:10:33.320 they might use those tax increases for you know, for 1:10:33.439 --> 1:10:36.599 more infrastructure or affordable housing or things of that nature. 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:41.479 I don't think we were specifically thinking in mind public safety. 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:46.200 But with everything that's happened over the last few months 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:50.120 and the pressure political and otherwise that's that's been out 1:10:50.120 --> 1:10:53.120 there about the need to get a handle on crime 1:10:53.160 --> 1:10:57.880 here in Cincinnati, you know, maybe this seemed like an 1:10:57.960 --> 1:11:00.200 opportune time for that. But I think the question that 1:11:00.280 --> 1:11:04.840 people should be asking is how responsibly is the city 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:08.479 before you know there's any talk of any kind of increase. 1:11:09.280 --> 1:11:12.240 Is looking at what we're doing with the money and 1:11:12.320 --> 1:11:15.040 with the dollars that we already have a good point. 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:17.000 That's a good point, yal how are they doing with 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:18.880 the money they have right now? And I think there's 1:11:18.920 --> 1:11:22.639 a there's a lot of room for improvement there. Kevin Aldridge, 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:24.559 We're up against the clock, so we're going to have 1:11:24.560 --> 1:11:27.200 to leave it right there. But as always, I appreciate 1:11:27.560 --> 1:11:30.120 I appreciate your your the way you look at things, 1:11:30.360 --> 1:11:32.360 and I appreciate you coming on to talk about it. 1:11:32.400 --> 1:11:35.080 And we will do it again before too long. Kevin Aldridge, 1:11:35.080 --> 1:11:37.639 did they inquire? All the best to you man. Thanks, 1:11:37.720 --> 1:11:39.799 Dan Samu You all right there you go, Kevin Aldridge 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:43.800 of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Yeah. The quote from AFTAB is 1:11:43.960 --> 1:11:46.599 he wants to target this money toward public safety and 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:50.680 disrupting poverty. How's that worked out in the past. I 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:52.800 think we know the answer to that. Ten fifty five. 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:56.400 Dan Carrol for Scott's loan seven hundred WLW. 1:11:59.280 --> 1:11:59.840 I'm back on the. 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:02.360 Big one, seven hundred W l W eleven o eight. 1:12:02.400 --> 1:12:06.760 Dan carrollin for Scott Sloan. So glad to welcome in 1:12:06.800 --> 1:12:10.000 my next guest. He is a former Army paratrooper, a 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:14.280 combat veteran. He is also a former cop and also 1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:18.440 owns a rum distillery. And he's also a professional podcaster. 1:12:19.040 --> 1:12:22.360 He's got the Failure to Stop. He's got a series 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:25.559 of podcasts called Failure to Stop. And just a great guy, 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:27.639 a guy that I that I know a little bit. 1:12:27.680 --> 1:12:29.719 I got to visit with him a few summers ago 1:12:30.040 --> 1:12:33.639 down to Clayton, North Carolina. It's my pleasure to welcome 1:12:33.680 --> 1:12:36.160 in Eric Tansey and Eric Tansey, how the heck are 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:36.599 you today? 1:12:37.840 --> 1:12:38.400 Thank you Dan? 1:12:38.479 --> 1:12:39.559 You make me sound so cool. 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:43.400 Well, you do, you do what you can. And the 1:12:43.479 --> 1:12:45.400 reason I wanted to have you on is because your 1:12:45.439 --> 1:12:47.960 book came out not long ago and the title is 1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:51.559 pig Latin, a seriously funny true story of a former 1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:55.599 police officer. And congratulations on the book it what what 1:12:55.720 --> 1:12:59.040 is it tell me about the process of actually sitting 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:00.799 down to put this book together? 1:13:02.160 --> 1:13:03.800 Oh, you know, Dan, For me it was like it 1:13:03.840 --> 1:13:07.000 was much different than anybody else because I wrote because 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:08.960 I got in trouble for being a bad writer when 1:13:08.960 --> 1:13:12.080 I was a cop. So I wrote a side report 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:16.599 just grammatically bad and almost lost the case because the 1:13:16.640 --> 1:13:19.920 defense was able to argue grammatically when I had said 1:13:19.920 --> 1:13:21.920 because I didn't use the right there, there, and there, 1:13:22.120 --> 1:13:25.479 the right whearwear and wear, And so I ended up 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:29.320 having to write about my day and submitting it into 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:33.120 a supervisor. And I was like having these dramatic incidents. 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:35.280 I was writing the police report, and then I was 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.639 writing again at home for homework, and it was really depressing. 1:13:38.720 --> 1:13:39.680 So one day I just was like, you know what, 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:41.880 I'm gonna start writing the funny stuff that happens, or 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:44.360 you know, like almost reading it more like a diary. 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:48.000 So I would write about all the things that like 1:13:48.000 --> 1:13:51.639 the weird stuff, losing the foot chase, arresting the wrong person, 1:13:51.960 --> 1:13:54.960 or you know, the mental breakdowns or whatever. And I 1:13:55.640 --> 1:13:58.559 collected those stories over the course of like eight years, 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:01.360 and I just happened. I don't know, maybe call it God, 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:03.639 but somebody took a look at it and they said, 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:05.679 this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. This needs 1:14:05.720 --> 1:14:06.400 to be a book. 1:14:06.479 --> 1:14:07.800 And that was it. 1:14:07.840 --> 1:14:10.080 That's how the process started, and we turned it into 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:13.599 one long book from start to finish, and it's really 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:17.200 really funny, self deprecating, and I'll definitely make you feel 1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:18.840 better about who you are as a person. 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:19.479 I'm sure. 1:14:19.720 --> 1:14:23.200 Yeah. Uh. The our buddy Keefer had had a copy 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:25.720 of the book. I swiped his copy the other day 1:14:25.720 --> 1:14:28.280 and I sat down over the weekend and started reading it. 1:14:28.560 --> 1:14:31.120 And I mean, you had you had two tons of 1:14:31.120 --> 1:14:33.600 fun on your first day on the job, which was 1:14:33.640 --> 1:14:36.479 absolutely amazing. But then I got to the next chapter, 1:14:36.840 --> 1:14:40.719 and I love the story about Officer Serious and uh 1:14:40.760 --> 1:14:43.639 and and the guys that he hangs with, and and 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:49.680 your your adventures with Officer Serious. Absolutely fantastic reading. I 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:53.599 could not put it down, and I don't normally say 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:56.439 that about a lot of books that I read. And 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:58.639 I'm looking, I'm looking at this blurb on the back, 1:14:59.240 --> 1:15:02.880 and this guy talks about that. Uh, he just doesn't 1:15:02.920 --> 1:15:06.040 tell war stories from the street. He pulls you into them. 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:08.240 And I'm thinking, yeah, right, I'm going to be pulled 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:11.400 into these stories. But Eric, I'm dumped. I'm not blowing 1:15:11.439 --> 1:15:14.160 smoke here for I mean, for your first time out 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.840 writing a book like this, absolutely amazing. I literally did 1:15:17.920 --> 1:15:20.120 not want to put it down and I can't wait, 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:23.320 I start reading these different calls that you go out 1:15:23.320 --> 1:15:25.400 of and I can't wait to see how they're going 1:15:25.479 --> 1:15:27.519 to come out in the end. It is absolutely amazing. 1:15:28.880 --> 1:15:30.680 It was so much fun, and I think, like what 1:15:30.760 --> 1:15:33.280 makes it such a different book? And by the way, 1:15:33.360 --> 1:15:37.680 the TV series rights have already been sold, so some 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:40.439 of the guys that were part of a very famous 1:15:40.479 --> 1:15:44.960 TV series, It's Ram for seven seasons, are now making 1:15:44.960 --> 1:15:46.559 a TV series out of my book, and that's been 1:15:46.640 --> 1:15:48.400 really fun. I'm on the writing team for that. 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:49.240 But that is amazing. 1:15:49.240 --> 1:15:52.759 I think kind of why the book is done so well, 1:15:53.040 --> 1:15:57.160 and you know, is with Simon Schuster, and you know 1:15:57.200 --> 1:15:59.320 it's in every books for across America, And I think, 1:15:59.360 --> 1:16:00.920 I know what makes it different is I don't know 1:16:00.920 --> 1:16:02.439 that a lot of people have ever written a book 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:07.240 it's like super honestly about all your mistakes, and especially 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:09.200 in the cop world, right because everybody's afraid they're gonna 1:16:09.200 --> 1:16:11.680 get sued because I write about all the mistakes, like 1:16:11.720 --> 1:16:13.720 a lot of a lot of mistakes, or like a 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:16.160 lot of the feelings that I had towards people that 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:18.240 may I may or may not should have had. And 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.240 I think it's just a really wrong glimpse into what 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.320 goes on honestly inside of a cops heat when he's like, 1:16:23.320 --> 1:16:25.320 I don't know this guy guilty or not guilty, but 1:16:25.439 --> 1:16:27.080 you know if I touch him, we're gonna fight and 1:16:27.439 --> 1:16:29.519 I might be going to jail for this. And you know, 1:16:29.600 --> 1:16:31.599 he's just that kind of inner dialogue that I think 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:35.080 really made people go, oh, I never thought that cops 1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:38.080 are actually human beings and have moral dilemmas just like 1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:41.240 everybody else. We have ethical dilemmas just like everybody else 1:16:41.240 --> 1:16:43.560 that we have to work through, and we have families 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:46.840 at home that we make decisions based on. You know, say, 1:16:47.000 --> 1:16:48.400 like people are like, wow, that one story where you 1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:50.519 decided to let that guy go because it's not worth it. 1:16:50.840 --> 1:16:54.519 You know, that's really you know, that's that hit me 1:16:54.600 --> 1:16:57.680 because you know you thought about your kids and you know, 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.519 call it a coward move, but like my going to 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:03.360 my kids, you know, baseball game or whatever, it's more 1:17:03.360 --> 1:17:06.080 important than getting in a food chase, you know, with 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:07.880 this guy at that time. So I just think like 1:17:07.920 --> 1:17:10.400 those kinds of stories have never really been pulled from 1:17:10.439 --> 1:17:13.640 a law enforcement perspective, and people really seem to like 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:15.760 that version of the of the truth. 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:18.880 I guess yeah, I you know you and I know 1:17:18.960 --> 1:17:21.120 each other a little bit. You came up here and 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:23.479 you were part of the podcast that I do with 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:25.680 a buddy of mine and it's called One Morning, Am 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:28.080 Out of Here when we had Stu Scheller on our podcast, 1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:30.320 and I got to visit you down at Clayton, North 1:17:30.320 --> 1:17:32.880 Carolina and be part of your podcast and hang out 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:34.559 with you for a few days there. And that was 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:36.920 That was a great time. And and the thing is, 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:40.360 as I read this book, I hear your voice because 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:43.080 I know you a little bit. And here's the other 1:17:43.200 --> 1:17:47.240 thing that I hear. My son recently graduated back in 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:49.880 May from the Cincinnati Police Academy. So he's been out 1:17:49.880 --> 1:17:53.080 on the streets since since May of this of last year. 1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:55.760 And when he has done with his shifts, a lot 1:17:55.760 --> 1:17:57.599 of times, not every time, but a lot of times, 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:00.479 he calls and talks about the different runs he's been 1:18:00.520 --> 1:18:04.200 out on and and and I hear a lot of 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:07.960 what he says and a lot of what you say 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:10.760 after that, after that day is over and you're in 1:18:10.800 --> 1:18:13.639 the driveway and you're thinking about just went down, uh, 1:18:13.680 --> 1:18:15.760 you're thinking about all that stuff. I hear a lot 1:18:15.800 --> 1:18:17.599 of that same stuff and what he is telling me. 1:18:17.680 --> 1:18:21.000 So by reading this book, I feel like I'm going 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:24.280 to have a better understanding of what he goes through 1:18:24.560 --> 1:18:27.840 as he progresses on his journey in law enforcement. And 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:31.120 that is a very person that is a very personal 1:18:31.160 --> 1:18:32.519 thing for me, and I want to thank you for 1:18:32.600 --> 1:18:35.040 that because I'm thinking, when I'm done with this, i 1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:37.439 want to give this to him because a lot of 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:40.720 the things that he's feeling, you're you write about in 1:18:40.760 --> 1:18:43.439 this book. And and so he's and he doesn't question 1:18:43.560 --> 1:18:46.760 his training, he doesn't question, uh, you know, if he's 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:48.880 doing things the way. He knows he's doing things the 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:52.439 right way. But it's that human interaction that sticks with 1:18:52.479 --> 1:18:54.559 you and you wonder, at the end of the day, 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:57.320 did I do right by that person as a human being? 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:01.000 Yeah, I know, sometimes it's such a gray area. 1:19:01.240 --> 1:19:03.400 And you know, it's pretty unbelievable what cops have to 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:05.479 go through on a daily basis. I mean, you know 1:19:05.520 --> 1:19:08.120 when you write the when when you compile the book, 1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:10.240 and it's just you know, your experience over the course 1:19:10.240 --> 1:19:12.320 of six or seven years on actually on the street, 1:19:12.720 --> 1:19:16.160 Like it's it's pretty insane, Like how much trauma or 1:19:16.160 --> 1:19:19.240 like how much how many critical incidents that you will 1:19:19.240 --> 1:19:21.960 go through in those eight years. But you know it's 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:25.640 a human interaction that really does You know that I 1:19:25.720 --> 1:19:27.320 kind of focus on in the book a lot, and 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:30.439 you know, it's it's such a gray area, right because 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:32.240 like you know what the law is, but you also know, 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:35.400 like does the law outweigh the outcome of what's going 1:19:35.439 --> 1:19:37.600 to happen if I give this person a ticket, you 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:39.960 know it's going to ruin a lot more of their 1:19:40.000 --> 1:19:42.920 life because of their financial situation of where they're at. 1:19:43.000 --> 1:19:45.479 And so you know, it's always like you know, should 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:47.439 I ticket this person or not take it that person? 1:19:47.520 --> 1:19:49.960 And you know some days you don't have time. It's 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:53.160 just it's such an emotionally taxing job. I don't think 1:19:53.160 --> 1:19:55.400 a lot of people understand that though, like that. You know, 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:59.799 people give teachers a lot of credit, as they should. 1:20:00.160 --> 1:20:03.120 Teachers are an important thing, but you know, it's not 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:06.360 even in the same realm of what a cop or 1:20:06.439 --> 1:20:09.599 even a paramedic has to deal with in a single day. 1:20:09.720 --> 1:20:14.240 I don't think the world really truly understands, you know, 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:16.920 what exactly a cop does in a day. 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:19.960 You're going to see blood every single day of your life. 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:21.599 You know, when you go to work. 1:20:21.760 --> 1:20:24.160 And you're going to see somebody's feet mangled up in 1:20:24.240 --> 1:20:27.559 a dashboard every single day, You're going to see a 1:20:27.560 --> 1:20:30.639 stab wound every single day that you work. You're gonna 1:20:30.840 --> 1:20:32.920 get in a foot chase once a month or once 1:20:32.960 --> 1:20:34.519 a week or whatever. 1:20:34.680 --> 1:20:37.720 I mean, it's just there's so many critical incidents in 1:20:37.760 --> 1:20:40.240 a day. It's just it really is incredible that cops 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:41.479 do what they do for thirty years. 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:44.479 Yeah. Absolutely, And again I want to thank you for 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:48.360 the book Pig Latin, a seriously funny true story of 1:20:47.960 --> 1:20:50.639 a former police officer. Are you still on the book 1:20:50.680 --> 1:20:53.880 tour You're still jumping around different places in the country 1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:56.200 doing that or is that I know, I know what's 1:20:56.240 --> 1:20:57.160 going on for a while. 1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:01.960 Yeah, it's actually kind of a lot of happened in 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:03.880 the book too. I didn't really go exactly the sand 1:21:03.920 --> 1:21:07.280 because we sold the movie rights or the TV rights 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:10.080 and so like, really all the focus has been getting 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:12.439 this thing turned into a TV series. So lots of 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:18.440 meetings with production companies and directors and other writers and actors, 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.519 and it's been a really cool to be a part 1:21:20.520 --> 1:21:22.599 of that process. And I've got to be on set 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:27.040 of The Hunting Wise. I kind of signed myself up 1:21:27.040 --> 1:21:29.559 for that one just to get some experience, and that 1:21:29.680 --> 1:21:31.439 kind of got me my foot in the door and 1:21:31.479 --> 1:21:33.880 see what Hollywood's all about. And I just did my 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:37.679 first audition for a part that's in a movie shot 1:21:37.840 --> 1:21:40.280 next month in New Orleans and I got my first 1:21:40.320 --> 1:21:42.800 callback so for for a part. So I don't know 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:44.160 if I end up get the part or not, but 1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:47.960 just being in Hollywood. I was in I was in 1:21:48.000 --> 1:21:51.440 three episodes of The Office Joe Show, which is a 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.360 funny TV series about veterans getting out of the military 1:21:54.360 --> 1:21:55.480 and going into the workspace. 1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:59.280 Really funny show. I think it's already streaming, but it's 1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:02.360 called Office Joe. But I played a police officer in 1:22:02.400 --> 1:22:04.880 that and that was really fun. So really kind of 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:07.400 the last six months, I've been doing a lot of 1:22:07.400 --> 1:22:10.080 stuff in Hollywood as far as writing and now acting. 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:10.960 So that's kind of fun. 1:22:11.000 --> 1:22:14.000 How about that, Eric Tansy goes Hollywood. Who would have thought? 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:15.360 Is absolutely fun? 1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:15.879 Maybe? 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:19.120 Absolutely? Maybe I'll see you. Know the Golden Globes were 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:20.760 on last night. Maybe I'll see you on the next 1:22:20.760 --> 1:22:24.519 Golden Globes. That's absolutely fantastic. Let me ask you about 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:27.320 this the and this is the kind of stuff you 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:33.000 talk about in your podcast, and the whole situation in Minneapolis, 1:22:33.560 --> 1:22:37.439 Renee Nicole Good. The video is out there. I think 1:22:37.240 --> 1:22:40.000 the video look a lot of thing. I talk about 1:22:40.000 --> 1:22:42.080 this a lot that A lot of times when it 1:22:42.120 --> 1:22:46.639 comes to situations like this police bodycam video, dash cam video, 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:51.160 A lot of times those videos create more questions than 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:55.200 they provide answers. But I think in this situation, the 1:22:55.520 --> 1:22:58.040 multiple videos we have, the different angles, I think it 1:22:58.080 --> 1:23:01.120 really puts it in good context. And it is amazing 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:04.800 to me how those on the left continue to try 1:23:04.840 --> 1:23:07.880 to drive the narrative that the ice officers, the ice 1:23:07.920 --> 1:23:11.799 agents were in the wrong here and somehow Renee Nicole 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:14.600 Good was simply an innocent victim. 1:23:15.479 --> 1:23:18.599 Well, you know, and it's and that's that's police work. 1:23:18.760 --> 1:23:20.760 So we can always do things better. I mean, there's 1:23:20.800 --> 1:23:23.080 not a single incident that you kind of go to 1:23:23.160 --> 1:23:24.880 that you're like, wow, I really did a good job. 1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:27.120 I said all the right things, and I moved in 1:23:27.160 --> 1:23:30.320 all the right places, and the outcome really turned. 1:23:30.080 --> 1:23:30.880 Out exactly how I want. 1:23:31.200 --> 1:23:32.519 Very rarely does that. 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:35.840 Actually happen, And for the police, it's very easy to 1:23:35.920 --> 1:23:37.680 sit back and say what he could have done or 1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:39.720 what he should have done. You know, the officer was 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:44.360 a combat veteran, as I think I know it military veteran. 1:23:44.640 --> 1:23:47.840 There's also a federal agent, and federal agents are they 1:23:47.880 --> 1:23:52.160 have a different approach to policing than the city cop. 1:23:52.240 --> 1:23:56.360 The city cop, you know, he knows everybody in that community, 1:23:56.400 --> 1:23:57.960 and so he's. 1:23:58.000 --> 1:24:02.000 More comfortable, he's more aware. It's easier to have situational awareness. 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:04.439 But being a federal agent in a new city, it's 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.320 kind of like you're you're you're an away team. You 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:10.160 don't really know the crowd, and so your adrenal is 1:24:10.160 --> 1:24:12.439 a little bit higher. You don't get to make the 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:15.479 same decisions as a street cop because this is a 1:24:15.520 --> 1:24:19.439 new area to you, and cops are human beings, and 1:24:19.520 --> 1:24:22.840 so when you're in a new place and you're also 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:25.400 not used to that amount of chaos, ICE agents don't 1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:27.599 really typically have a lot of chaos. 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:29.880 They usually go in, they make an arrest. You know, 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:33.479 Ugal immigrants kind of know you're coming. A lot of times, 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:36.519 they pretty much know that ICE is on their way, 1:24:36.960 --> 1:24:41.759 and so there's little, very little drama in majority. 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:44.679 Of ICE's dealings. So you know, you put a federal 1:24:44.680 --> 1:24:47.439 agent in a new area, in a new position, and 1:24:47.439 --> 1:24:49.960 it's something that he's not used to, and you have 1:24:50.040 --> 1:24:54.160 a woman who sought the police, found the police, blocked 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:59.920 the police, engaged the police, disobeyed the police, e they 1:25:00.360 --> 1:25:04.839 the police, inadvertently or advertently struck the police with her vehicle. 1:25:05.080 --> 1:25:07.759 I mean, none of that's ever going to turn out good. 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:09.760 And so I think at the end of the day, 1:25:11.200 --> 1:25:14.400 could the cop have done a lot of things better? Sure, yes, absolutely, 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:18.120 But think about that quarterback who practices the same play 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:22.280 over and over again for fifteen years, and you know, 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:24.120 he gets to the one game that he has to 1:25:24.160 --> 1:25:27.080 produce and and he throws an interception, and you know, 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:27.800 the fans. 1:25:27.520 --> 1:25:29.519 Are like, why did he throw that ball? 1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:31.639 You know, it doesn't matter how. 1:25:31.560 --> 1:25:35.160 Much you practice something or how much you plan something. 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:39.400 When you're in the arena, it's not as easy to 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:41.360 produce as what civilians might think. 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:45.559 You know, absolutely absolutely, I think at. 1:25:45.520 --> 1:25:47.120 The end of the day, I think she should have 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:50.320 just you know, stayed home. Let the police to your job. 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:54.440 You know that we have a system in place to 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:58.080 to disagree with the police. And you know, at the 1:25:58.160 --> 1:25:59.720 end of the day. You got to remember that these 1:25:59.760 --> 1:26:02.160 kinds it's not really that personal to them, Like they 1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:05.720 have families that they want to get home to, and 1:26:05.800 --> 1:26:08.200 so they do make decisions based on that as well. 1:26:08.320 --> 1:26:12.000 They don't just they're not warmongers. He knows that when 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:14.320 he pulls the trigger, but the chances of him going 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:17.439 to jail are extremely likely. So I don't think that 1:26:17.479 --> 1:26:19.439 a lot of cops in twenty twenty five are pulling 1:26:19.439 --> 1:26:23.920 the trigger unless they know that you know that they 1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:24.280 need to. 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:27.559 Yeah. Absolutely, Eric Tansey. I like you for a lot 1:26:27.560 --> 1:26:30.639 of reasons, And one of the reasons is I don't 1:26:30.680 --> 1:26:32.480 know a lot of guys who own their own distilleries. 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:33.960 Are Are you still in the run business? 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:38.599 Well, I ran out of time for the distilling business. 1:26:38.720 --> 1:26:40.760 I had to let one thing go. I have five 1:26:40.880 --> 1:26:45.519 kids that are all homeschooled, so I did. I did 1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:48.559 get rid of the distillery. It was sad, but it 1:26:48.640 --> 1:26:51.320 was you know, I never planned on being a podcaster. 1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:54.040 I never planned on writing a book when I opened 1:26:54.080 --> 1:26:55.519 the distillary. I thought I was going to live my 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:59.320 life out as a distiller. But I fell into podcasting 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:03.240 by accident, and that sparked a book, and then that sparked, 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:06.439 you know, now this journey of of of where I'm 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:08.800 at now and and so yeah, one thing I have 1:27:08.920 --> 1:27:12.120 to give because you know, my family is very important 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:14.880 and my son is my All three of my sons 1:27:14.880 --> 1:27:18.800 are fully sponsored skateboarders and country Boy Skater has blown 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:22.000 up on Instagram and has several viral videos and so 1:27:22.160 --> 1:27:25.000 you know, traveling with him and making content with my 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:27.800 thirteen year old and my eleven year old is you know, 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:30.719 we just got back from Baltimore doing that. So yeah, 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:31.720 something I had to give. 1:27:31.840 --> 1:27:34.840 Well that that's that's one of the great memories I 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:38.120 have from the visit that had down there a few 1:27:38.120 --> 1:27:40.680 summers ago, was visiting the distillery that it was. It 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:43.680 was an excellent product, and whoever took it over, I 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:45.920 hope they're keeping up the same great work because it 1:27:45.960 --> 1:27:49.800 was fantastic. Eric Tansey, best of luck to you with 1:27:49.920 --> 1:27:51.680 the book and all the other irons you have in 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:53.679 the fire. I hope we get to hang out again 1:27:53.720 --> 1:27:57.080 sometime before too long, and thanks for the time today. 1:27:57.600 --> 1:28:00.880 The book is called pig Latin, a serious, funny true 1:28:00.920 --> 1:28:03.840 story of a former police officer. I'm guessing it's on 1:28:03.880 --> 1:28:06.280 Amazon and all places where you can get. 1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:11.320 Books every bookstore, Target, Costco, Hudson's Books, and million Amazon. 1:28:11.400 --> 1:28:16.320 The audiobook is incredible. It was a four time Grammy nominee. 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:21.360 Travis Ton and Noel White, big giant producers in the industries. 1:28:21.400 --> 1:28:24.520 They did a phenomenal just an insane job with the audiobook. 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:26.760 I read it, but they had all the sounds and 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:29.080 the music and the drama. None of it was generated 1:28:29.080 --> 1:28:30.519 by AI. 1:28:30.680 --> 1:28:31.599 All those voices. 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:33.800 I had to do all of the voices for all 1:28:33.880 --> 1:28:36.800 the characters, and so the audiobook was just a faint 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:40.280 a phenomenal production. And can't think those guys enough some Yeah, 1:28:40.280 --> 1:28:41.320 the audiobook is where it's at. 1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:44.720 That is outstanding. Eric Tansey, thanks for the time. We 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:47.080 got to run, but all the best to you. Keep 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:48.960 up the great work and have a grete twenty twenty 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:50.639 six to yours. 1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:51.080 Thank you sir. 1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:52.920 All right, there you go, Eric Tansey. In the book 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:56.479 is called pig Latin, and I'm not kid it's I'm 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:59.240 about maybe a third of the way through because I 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:03.519 just started reading it yesterday and it is a terrific read. 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:06.559 Pig Latin, The seriously funny true story of a former 1:29:06.680 --> 1:29:10.200 police officer eleven twenty five Dan Carrollin for Scott's loan. 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:12.400 No guests in the final half hour, So we've covered 1:29:12.400 --> 1:29:13.920 a lot of ground today. You want to talk about 1:29:13.920 --> 1:29:16.240 any of that stuff? Five one, three, seven, four nine, 1:29:16.280 --> 1:29:19.240 seven thousand, one, eight hundred The Big One, Big Dave, 1:29:19.320 --> 1:29:27.439 Let's open the phone lines at seven hundred WLW seven 1:29:27.479 --> 1:29:30.759 hundred WLW eleven thirty seven. Dan Carrollin for scott Sloan. 1:29:30.960 --> 1:29:34.280 Five to one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, eight 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:37.040 hundred The Big One. If you want to get on board. 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:42.640 A judge, a federal judge is blocking the Trump administration 1:29:42.720 --> 1:29:48.080 from freezing ten billion dollars in childcare. Federal judge temporarily 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:52.200 blocking the administration cutting off more than ten billion dollars 1:29:52.280 --> 1:29:58.400 in the social services and childcare funding in Democrat led 1:29:58.439 --> 1:30:02.880 states over unt earns about fraud. New York District Judge 1:30:03.040 --> 1:30:07.960 Arun Subramanian, an appointee of President Joe Biden, issued a 1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:12.519 fourteen day temporary restraining order. This is in response to 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:17.160 a lawsuit brought by attorneys general in California, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota, 1:30:17.160 --> 1:30:22.120 and New York. The relief is preliminary in nature, designed 1:30:22.120 --> 1:30:26.120 to protect the status quo while playing this motion for 1:30:26.160 --> 1:30:31.920 a preliminary injunction is is being decided. Supermanian found that 1:30:31.960 --> 1:30:36.640 the Democrats led state showed good cause, arguing that a 1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:43.680 funding freeze would have immediate and devastating impacts. Really, you 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:48.719 know what else has immediate and devastating impacts. Stealing money 1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:51.559 to the tune of almost nine billion dollars or maybe 1:30:51.600 --> 1:30:54.760 even more. I would say that has an immediate and 1:30:54.880 --> 1:30:59.080 devastating impact as well, pretty much to the people who 1:30:59.200 --> 1:31:02.360 spend that hoop, pay that money where that money comes from. 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:08.800 New York Attorney General Letitia James, who led the four 1:31:08.840 --> 1:31:12.880 states suing the Trump administration, is celebrating the legal victory. 1:31:13.600 --> 1:31:16.800 This decision is critical for families whose lives have been 1:31:16.880 --> 1:31:25.600 upended by this administration's cruelty. Really, so, it's cruel to 1:31:25.720 --> 1:31:31.240 send billions of dollars to these individuals who are defrauding 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:35.479 the government and then saying, you know what, maybe we 1:31:35.479 --> 1:31:41.439 should stop doing that, maybe we should stop having all 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:46.200 this fraud going on. But according to Letitia James, that's 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:49.439 pretty cool or pretty cruel. I should say, we've got 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:53.280 Eddie in Columbus, Eddie seven hundred WLW. 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:57.599 Again to tell the job today buddy, appreciate it. 1:31:57.640 --> 1:32:00.000 Thank you, thanks for listening, Thanks for picking up the phone. 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:07.920 The shooting in Minneapolis that I think that's poor training 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:10.280 for tactics for supervision. 1:32:10.439 --> 1:32:13.360 But he'll be all right. 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:15.920 I think it'll be all right. 1:32:15.960 --> 1:32:16.599 There'll be some. 1:32:16.720 --> 1:32:19.280 Hoot and hollering, but we'll move on from that and 1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:25.360 hopefully things will improve. Since NY City Council is making 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:29.439 a business decision with any settlements, they're known for this. 1:32:29.640 --> 1:32:33.439 They they've been paying out settlements for decades and it's 1:32:33.479 --> 1:32:35.559 a business decision. All they want to do is get 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:39.520 re elected and prevent a riot. 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:40.639 I think they'd much rather. 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:42.599 They don't mind burying cops. 1:32:42.640 --> 1:32:45.120 I think they'd rather bury a cup and deal with 1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:45.559 a riot. 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:48.559 Well, I certainly hope, I certainly hope that's not true. 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:51.240 But you got to to my way of thinking. You 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:53.160 got to look at these things on a case by 1:32:53.200 --> 1:32:56.960 case basis, And in this particular case, when you're talking 1:32:57.000 --> 1:33:01.920 about young mister Hinton eighteen years old, out boosting cars 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:04.000 with his buddies and they're hanging out in the parking lot, 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:07.240 police roll up, they all start running, he made the 1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:10.519 decision to, uh, grab the gun and take it with him, 1:33:10.720 --> 1:33:13.000 he dropped the gun, he made the decision to bend 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:16.000 down and pick it up. He made the move to 1:33:16.040 --> 1:33:19.800 turn that gun towards police and under the law, under 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:22.640 police training, all the rest of it, that's all the 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:25.400 cop needs. And yeah, it only took the split second, 1:33:25.880 --> 1:33:30.160 but when you do that, you take the consequences to 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:33.599 come with it. And unfortunately, look, no one is happy 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:36.479 that this young man lost his life. No one is 1:33:36.479 --> 1:33:40.320 out there celebrating that. But we are also celebrating the 1:33:40.360 --> 1:33:43.280 fact that a Cincinnati police officer got to go home 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:47.320 to his family. And if we have if we have, 1:33:47.600 --> 1:33:49.840 it certainly appears we can't. We don't have a city 1:33:49.880 --> 1:33:52.439 manager that wants to stand up for that, and I'm 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:55.320 certainly hoping that we have a city council that wants 1:33:55.400 --> 1:33:59.439 to stand up for that. To my if I'm on 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:04.720 the city council and this comes before me, my position is, 1:34:05.040 --> 1:34:08.519 let's go to court if the family wants to to 1:34:08.520 --> 1:34:11.840 to sue, and I understand that there's a lesser burden 1:34:11.880 --> 1:34:13.680 to proof and all the rest of it. And I 1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:16.200 don't care if if my law office is telling me 1:34:16.479 --> 1:34:19.280 this is not a good gamble. If you know what, 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:22.640 if we go to court and we can't put on 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:28.880 a defense to stop this settlement or stop a huge 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:33.519 payment from going out, then we need maybe we need 1:34:33.560 --> 1:34:37.080 better lawyers argue in our case. That's that's the way 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:40.200 it seems to me. It's all pretty cut and and look, 1:34:40.439 --> 1:34:43.559 we have a prosecutor. Think about this. We have a 1:34:43.600 --> 1:34:49.200 prosecutor here in Hamilton County who just last month reached 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:54.080 in to death row and extracted a person from death 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:58.040 row who had been on death row for almost thirty 1:34:58.080 --> 1:35:01.920 years and said, you know what, I've looked at this case. 1:35:02.720 --> 1:35:04.960 You know, a judge says, this guy gets a new trial. 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:07.479 I've looked at this case and I've decided this guy 1:35:07.680 --> 1:35:11.400 is not guilty. That is the same prosecutor who looked 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:15.759 at this case with this police officer and said everything 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:18.640 was done by the book. This police officer didn't do 1:35:18.720 --> 1:35:22.280 anything wrong. That to me is a pretty strong endorsement 1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.599 that what this cop did and God bless him. I mean, 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:28.679 it's a terrible situation to be in. You never want 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:30.760 to have. I don't think as a copper, as a 1:35:30.800 --> 1:35:33.760 human being, you want to pull the trigger and end 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:36.520 the life of an eighteen year old kid who's obviously 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:40.080 making some bad choice, but that's the way it happened. 1:35:40.120 --> 1:35:42.240 That's the way it went down. He's got to deal 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:44.000 with that for the rest of his life. It's a 1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:48.760 terrible thing, but in the end it was justified according 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:51.840 to this prosecutor. That to me is a pretty strong 1:35:51.920 --> 1:35:54.439 endorsement that we can take this thing to trial and 1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:59.080 let the ships fall where they may. Well, I agree 1:35:59.120 --> 1:35:59.439 with you. 1:36:00.240 --> 1:36:05.719 I was pleased at our prosecutor's decision, or your prosecutor's decision. 1:36:06.800 --> 1:36:10.640 But again, City Council, they're operating on their you know, 1:36:10.680 --> 1:36:13.280 they operate on their own frequency. Man, they're way out 1:36:13.320 --> 1:36:18.320 there and they're looking at Okay, what's Irish Rowley telling us, Well, 1:36:18.360 --> 1:36:21.920 give them some money so I can keep them calm 1:36:22.600 --> 1:36:26.280 and not a riot. There'll be no riots, And I 1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:29.519 really believe that that's that's all they're worried about. Well, 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:32.400 it reelected, which they just did. They just and man, 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:38.759 let's face it, they accomplished that masterfully, soundly re elected. 1:36:39.000 --> 1:36:41.440 So now the next thing is prevent riots. 1:36:41.720 --> 1:36:43.920 Well, you know, we had a voter turnout of about 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:48.639 twenty seven eight percent, maybe less than that. So yeah, 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:52.800 the people who vote in Cincinnati, did they vote for 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:55.479 this Yeah, did they vote for the crime that we have. 1:36:55.880 --> 1:36:57.600 Did they vote for a mayor who was going to 1:36:57.640 --> 1:37:02.880 increase taxes? Did they vote for the whole notion that 1:37:03.160 --> 1:37:08.600 we have a city manager that may most likely wrongfully 1:37:08.640 --> 1:37:11.320 fired the fire chief and most likely is going to 1:37:11.360 --> 1:37:13.640 have to pay out a huge settlement. There, that we 1:37:13.720 --> 1:37:17.599 have a city manager who is letting our current police 1:37:17.680 --> 1:37:22.439 chief who is suspended twist in the wind. And there's 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:24.920 word now that the law firm that they hired to 1:37:25.000 --> 1:37:28.160 investigate this hasn't been able to find anything on Teresa 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:31.920 tig Now we have the specter of an eight point 1:37:31.960 --> 1:37:34.320 one million dollar settlement that's going to be paid to 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:38.479 malcontents who came to the city of Cincinnati to riot 1:37:38.520 --> 1:37:41.519 and do damage and violate the curfew, that those people 1:37:41.520 --> 1:37:47.599 are going to get a ten, twelve, fifteen thousand dollars windfall. 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:51.360 It just seems to me that voting for that same 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:53.720 sort of thing over and over again really is not 1:37:53.760 --> 1:37:54.720 the best course of action. 1:37:56.080 --> 1:37:59.760 City council is going to pin the one thing they're 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:04.280 going to find wrong with the former chief for the chief, 1:38:04.360 --> 1:38:08.280 but who's on paid lead. They're gonna blame her for 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:14.200 not making improvements at that playground. Uh, they're gonna that's 1:38:14.240 --> 1:38:15.559 what They're gonna hang her hat on. 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:18.559 You watch, Okay, Well we'll see how that goes down, Eddie. 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:22.600 But I don't know how much how much control of 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:25.439 the police chief has over installing cameras and lights of 1:38:25.479 --> 1:38:27.559 the playground. But Eddie, thank you very much for the call. 1:38:27.960 --> 1:38:30.720 I certainly appreciate that. Let's go to Chris and Cincinnati 1:38:31.120 --> 1:38:33.360 and Chris, you're on seven hundred WW. 1:38:34.120 --> 1:38:35.240 And how's going today. 1:38:35.400 --> 1:38:38.000 I'm great, Chris, glad to be here and glad you 1:38:38.000 --> 1:38:38.839 picked up the phone. 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:41.360 Thanks well, thanks for taking my car. 1:38:41.520 --> 1:38:44.960 Let's just I'm a question because I got to tell 1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:45.760 them a little bit. 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:48.519 And I'm just wondering the difference. And I'm playing devil 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:48.920 that kit. 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:52.519 I'm not saying anyone's to blame, but looking at it 1:38:52.640 --> 1:38:56.519 and hearing a lot of opinions from yourself, the people 1:38:56.600 --> 1:39:01.439 put personalities on radio and national news and what we 1:39:01.560 --> 1:39:03.960 have going on here. But what's the difference between the 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:10.000 two instance, Minnesota and Cincinnati. What we're talking about, Uh, 1:39:10.160 --> 1:39:12.960 the officer put himself in front of that vehicle to 1:39:13.000 --> 1:39:20.920 stop it and decided excuse force up at Minnesota and 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:24.720 the officer appear in Cincinnati with mister Hinton should have 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:28.800 been backing off because he was an undercover and put 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:30.040 himself in that situation. 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:35.519 Well, Chris, look, if you're you're trying to compare the 1:39:35.560 --> 1:39:41.880 incident in Minnesota and the incident in Cincinnati that ended 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:45.320 the life of miss a young mister Hinton eighteen years old, 1:39:45.479 --> 1:39:46.920 is that was that what I'm hearing? Is that what 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:48.200 you're trying to tell me? 1:39:49.600 --> 1:39:52.839 I mean, we're talking if we weren't talking about Minnesota. 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:54.280 I got in my car a little bit. 1:39:54.280 --> 1:39:57.800 Late, but it was just yeah, well I'm not I mean, 1:39:57.800 --> 1:40:00.840 I've talked about both things, but I I don't see 1:40:01.160 --> 1:40:03.519 how these two things are connected. And Chris, I'll thank 1:40:03.520 --> 1:40:05.599 you for the call. I don't see how these two 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:09.400 things are connected. I think we have a situation in 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:14.840 Minneapolis where you had ice officers who were in the 1:40:14.880 --> 1:40:18.360 street lawfully doing what they were supposed to be doing. 1:40:19.000 --> 1:40:21.719 You have an agitator who was out there in the street. 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:25.840 The video shows that she was out there for several 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:31.400 minutes beforehand, honking the horn, moving her car around, blocking 1:40:31.479 --> 1:40:38.400 the procedure of ICE agents and federal agents to do 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:43.240 their job, and it wound up with her. And to 1:40:43.280 --> 1:40:47.439 my way of thinking, it matters not if the police 1:40:47.479 --> 1:40:49.880 officer was in front of the car, behind the car, 1:40:50.000 --> 1:40:53.479 at side of the car, ten feet away, twenty feet away, 1:40:53.720 --> 1:40:57.880 six inches away. It doesn't matter. You drive your car. 1:40:58.160 --> 1:41:00.479 And I heard it on the news the bottom of 1:41:00.479 --> 1:41:04.920 the hour that she was turning away from police. Look 1:41:04.960 --> 1:41:09.439 at the video. Look at the video that that ice 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:13.160 agent was struck by that car at that point. That 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:17.240 car is a deadly weapon, pretty cut and dry. I 1:41:17.280 --> 1:41:20.599 don't know how that is related to and the point 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:23.080 he was trying to make that somehow they're the same thing. 1:41:23.120 --> 1:41:27.200 I don't think so. The the end result is the 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:31.200 same that police had to fire in their own self defense. 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:34.600 And look, I don't know if you've ever had a 1:41:34.640 --> 1:41:40.360 gun pointed at you in anger, but I have. And 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:44.960 there's if if you have, you know exactly what I'm 1:41:45.000 --> 1:41:49.559 talking about that it brings when when you face that 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:54.760 threat of a loaded weapon being pointed at you, it 1:41:54.880 --> 1:42:00.439 brings things into clarity very quickly. There are a few things, 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:05.720 if anything, in life, more sobering than that moment. So 1:42:05.840 --> 1:42:08.040 when you're a police officer and you're on the job 1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:13.280 and you see someone turning towards you with that weapon 1:42:13.280 --> 1:42:17.680 in your hand. You are justified to protect yourself and 1:42:17.760 --> 1:42:23.720 protect others. And trying to equate the situation in Minneapolis 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:26.200 with the one in Cincinnati. I just don't make that connection. 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:29.599 Matthew and Preble County. Then we got ed in Coleraine, 1:42:29.640 --> 1:42:31.360 Matthew seven hundred WLW. 1:42:32.320 --> 1:42:36.400 Hey, Dan, real quick, you know from twenty thousand seeds, 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:36.840 do you? 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:38.800 I'm just hearing all this. 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:41.280 Stuff more on Cincinnati and the Minneapolis stuff. You know, 1:42:42.760 --> 1:42:45.759 that's a whole different ballgame in my opinion, no comparison needed. 1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:50.400 But the camera is going up in Laurel Park down there. 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:56.280 For one. Aren't parks closed at dark? Don't parkspose it 1:42:56.400 --> 1:42:58.280 at nighttime when the sun goes down normally? 1:42:58.400 --> 1:43:01.679 So you know, mean the park is there. I don't 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.600 know that. I have not been by that park. I 1:43:04.600 --> 1:43:06.720 don't know if they're signage saying when the park is 1:43:06.720 --> 1:43:09.320 open when it's not. And I mean, look these are 1:43:09.400 --> 1:43:12.200 this is an eleven year old kid. An eleven year 1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:15.880 old kid goes out and was it totally dark at 1:43:15.920 --> 1:43:18.400 that time? I don't know. I mean the time is changing. 1:43:18.400 --> 1:43:22.040 I noticed the other night at at six o'clock at night, 1:43:22.080 --> 1:43:24.240 it was still there was still some daylight out there, 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:27.320 so was there some lingering daylight. I don't know about 1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:31.280 that particular night, that particular incident, but to have a 1:43:31.360 --> 1:43:33.439 kid in a park at six o'clock at night doesn't 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:38.960 seem totally out of the realm of being unreasonable to me. 1:43:39.880 --> 1:43:43.920 But putting lights up, that almost seems like it will 1:43:45.240 --> 1:43:49.080 facilitate parents letting more kids play later in the park 1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:50.920 because it's lit up, and they'll have a false sense 1:43:50.920 --> 1:43:52.080 of security because there's light. 1:43:52.320 --> 1:43:54.920 Well, I mean the light lights and cameras. They don't 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:58.960 necessarily provide a sense of security, but they provide an 1:43:59.040 --> 1:44:02.519 ability to if there's a perpetrator in an incident like this, 1:44:02.640 --> 1:44:05.760 to to track down that perpetrator and put that perpetrator 1:44:05.760 --> 1:44:08.800 behind bars. Now we have we have a whole other 1:44:08.840 --> 1:44:11.679 issue with that here in Cincinnati. As far as locking 1:44:11.760 --> 1:44:14.440 up people who need to be locked up, we don't, 1:44:14.479 --> 1:44:17.080 we aren't. We are not doing a great job of 1:44:17.160 --> 1:44:18.560 that at the present. 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:21.200 Time by putting the lights up, and same with the city, 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:22.960 you know, with other things they're doing. It seems like 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:27.080 they're treating the effect rather than treating the cause, which 1:44:27.080 --> 1:44:31.120 would be you know, miners and gun violence, so they're 1:44:31.200 --> 1:44:35.040 they're treating the effect and they're reactive rather than proactive, 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:37.880 which seems to be part of the course with the 1:44:37.920 --> 1:44:38.559 city manager. 1:44:38.640 --> 1:44:41.720 Yeah, well, AFT tab Purval just said, look, we got 1:44:41.760 --> 1:44:45.000 to have a tax increase so we can we can't 1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:48.240 address crime, and we can address poverty, which, according to 1:44:48.240 --> 1:44:51.080 AFT tab Purvol, is the root cause of crime. And 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:56.040 spending more money on poverty programs apparently an AFT tab 1:44:56.080 --> 1:44:58.800 Purvol's mind is going to go a long way in 1:44:58.880 --> 1:45:01.120 addressing that issue. Let's get one more call in here 1:45:01.160 --> 1:45:02.640 before we call it a day and make way for 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:05.240 Bill Cunningham coming up at noon. But we've got to 1:45:05.560 --> 1:45:08.360 ed in Coleraine, ED seven hundred WLW. 1:45:09.600 --> 1:45:10.280 Yeah, how you doing? 1:45:10.320 --> 1:45:11.599 But I'm good, Ed. What's up? 1:45:13.520 --> 1:45:16.519 Well, actually, I'm just on an off note. I think 1:45:16.560 --> 1:45:20.600 all parks close at dusk, okay, when it's dark, they 1:45:20.680 --> 1:45:25.800 close at dusk. And I don't understand why the thing 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:30.840 that happened in Minneapolis terriblesm may be they didn't listen 1:45:30.880 --> 1:45:32.960 to what the cops said. I mean, what happened to 1:45:33.000 --> 1:45:36.760 the days my parents raised me to do what the 1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:39.200 guy with a gun told me to do, and I'd 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:43.080 live another day to figure it out. Where Where did 1:45:43.120 --> 1:45:46.200 that go? In the in this day and age? Where 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:46.640 did that go? 1:45:46.760 --> 1:45:49.320 I don't understand it well that I think that's a 1:45:49.439 --> 1:45:50.519 I think that's ap. 1:45:50.920 --> 1:45:53.160 Everybody wants to take a cop to the task and 1:45:53.600 --> 1:45:56.519 he's just doing his damn job. If he says something 1:45:56.560 --> 1:45:57.680 to you, do what he is. 1:45:58.200 --> 1:46:00.920 I think that's a major component of this. So there 1:46:00.960 --> 1:46:05.120 is clearly uh commands being made by these federal agents 1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:08.559 for her to stop the car and then get out 1:46:09.000 --> 1:46:13.080 of the car, and there is there can be no 1:46:13.240 --> 1:46:17.599 question that she did not comply with those commands, and 1:46:17.800 --> 1:46:20.160 the failure to comply with those commands led to her 1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:22.639 doing what back in the car, up putting the car 1:46:22.680 --> 1:46:27.040 in gear, stepping on the gas, and hitting a federal agent. 1:46:27.760 --> 1:46:30.680 I don't know. I don't know how muchimore cut and 1:46:30.720 --> 1:46:32.479 driving it needs to get. I don't know why you 1:46:32.479 --> 1:46:34.720 wouldn't do it, But she mean, I. 1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:36.880 Don't get all these things that go on. I just 1:46:36.920 --> 1:46:41.120 don't understand why where did the values go that a 1:46:41.200 --> 1:46:44.400 police officer is a person of power and you do 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:47.960 what they say and then yeah, maybe you have to 1:46:48.000 --> 1:46:49.719 go to court to get out of a ticket or whatever. 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:52.320 But I mean, my god, do you want to die 1:46:52.439 --> 1:46:54.400 or do you want to go to court a couple 1:46:54.400 --> 1:46:54.879 of weeks. 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:57.320 It's it's a fairly simple. 1:46:57.000 --> 1:47:00.479 Concept can be. People can't be that stupid. It just 1:47:00.520 --> 1:47:01.800 amazes me they can't be. 1:47:02.400 --> 1:47:05.600 You know. I used to fly around in a helicopter 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:11.960 for Channel nine WCPO long time, and there were times 1:47:11.960 --> 1:47:14.400 when I would pull up and ed we got a run. 1:47:14.400 --> 1:47:16.439 But there were times when we would be over a 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:19.040 situation where you had a police officer had a car 1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:21.960 pulled over, and I would have the camera trained on 1:47:21.960 --> 1:47:25.200 that in recording video just in case something went sideways. 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:29.639 But the vast majority of times people comply. They may 1:47:29.680 --> 1:47:32.719 not be happy about it, but everyone leaves healthy and happy. 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:37.360 And if you comply, there's a good chance, way of 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:40.439 almost a chance, that's what's going to happen. I got 1:47:40.479 --> 1:47:43.080 to get out of here, Dave, Thank you for everything. 1:47:43.080 --> 1:47:45.080 Bill Cunningham is up next on the Home of the 1:47:45.120 --> 1:47:47.440 Reds seven hundred WLW