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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that is beautiful. Yeah, And when it happens like that,

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Speaker 1: Adam B. Coleman. I can't thank you enough for the

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Speaker 1: Nine to twenty seven. Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan seven

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Speaker 1: Our own Bill Cunningham went to the Toledo College of Law.

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Speaker 3: state of Ohio, and it's not the taxpayer's own child,

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Speaker 3: you are going to have additional oversight met and it's

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Speaker 3: going to be aligned with what current guidelines we have

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Speaker 3: for group homes and what currently is occurring in the

436
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Speaker 3: private sector where we see some really innovative things, and

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Speaker 3: where we see some facilities actually using these type of

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Speaker 3: techniques to avoid the type of supervision of children that

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Speaker 3: they're supposed to do on a daily basis. But like

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Speaker 3: I said, it's more than just fraud, there's also abuse

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Speaker 3: of a system. So when I got a childcare provider

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Speaker 3: that has three employees making minimum wage and the fifteen

443
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Speaker 3: kids that they are watching are all children of the

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Speaker 3: three employees, I think that's abuse of the system. That's

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Speaker 3: not what it was designed to do. Those employees are

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Speaker 3: eligible for these childcare subsidies because you are paying a

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Speaker 3: minimum wage and you're essentially creating a cycle of poverty

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Speaker 3: and making them dependent on hard working taxpayers to pay

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Speaker 3: for childcare. I don't need to pay you to watch

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Speaker 3: your own child, and we're seeing that time and time

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Speaker 3: again at these childcare centers in the Columbus area because

452
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Speaker 3: this is such a tight knit community.

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Speaker 1: So it seems to me, Josh Williams, based on what

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Speaker 1: you're saying, is that the apparatus is in place to

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Speaker 1: have oversight of these programs, that the infrastructure is there

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Speaker 1: for the auditing of these programs, and to make sure

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Speaker 1: that this fraud doesn't happen. But for whatever reason, the

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Speaker 1: people who were there, maybe they're turning their head. I

459
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Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, but that apparatus is not

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Speaker 1: being used the way it's meant to be used.

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Speaker 3: Correct. And when you hear the governor say there's been

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Speaker 3: ten thousand inspections, he's not talking about fraud inspections.

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Speaker 4: Some of these inspections.

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Speaker 3: Are for safety concerns, and we you know, the next

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Speaker 3: phase of citizen journalism in this straw scared. The state

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Speaker 3: of Ohio is not knocking on the door of a

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Speaker 3: daycare provider demanding to get entry, because if my child

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Speaker 3: was in that daycare provider, I will feel a certain

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Speaker 3: type of way of a stranger knocking on that door.

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Speaker 3: And in the era of you know, people doing mass

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Speaker 3: shootings and trying to bring harm to certain communities, you know,

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Speaker 3: we don't want people trying to gain entry into these

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Speaker 3: these daycare centers. But there is an area that's starting

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Speaker 3: to expand with public involvement, and that's going through all

475
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Speaker 3: of these inspection reports finding how egregious some of these

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Speaker 3: inspection reports are. I've been referred to some of them

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Speaker 3: by constituents and other individuals across the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 3: And you know, my head Cook. We had a conversation

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Speaker 3: about some of these inspection reports that she cited in

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Speaker 3: some of her reporting on this about the safety concerns

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Speaker 3: that are in some of these facilities. That is egregious,

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Speaker 3: that's putting children in danger. Some of these ten thousand

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Speaker 3: inspections were just over safety concerns, they weren't over attendance irregularities.

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Speaker 3: And tell me why in the state of Ohio we

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Speaker 3: still have the system of a daycare provider making paper

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Speaker 3: records of attendance and you having to go on site

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Speaker 3: to check those attendance records. I think we all would

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Speaker 3: agree that we're talking about data centers in the state

489
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Speaker 3: of Ohio. There are more modern ways of doing attendance

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Speaker 3: audits than going in person and asking to see your

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Speaker 3: paper records. Ohio needs to catch up to the modern age,

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Speaker 3: and the legislation that we will be introducing this week

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Speaker 3: will force Ohio to do just that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mentioned Mahet Cook, and she was on with

495
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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, did a show with him last week, and

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Speaker 1: she gave a very powerful interview about some of the

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Speaker 1: work that she did looking at some of these daycare centers,

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Speaker 1: how she was threatened by individuals that she encountered at

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Speaker 1: some of these daycare centers, talking about the things that

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Speaker 1: she saw with her own eyes. And again, it's not

501
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Speaker 1: a conviction, it's not proof positive, but certainly gives rise

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Speaker 1: to the notion that this warrants further inspection. This warrants

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Speaker 1: further investigation. So it seems the governor doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: real appetite for this. What about your colleagues up there

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Speaker 1: in Columbus, your fellow lawmakers that you work with. It

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Speaker 1: seems like there is some appetite amongst them. And then

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Speaker 1: the other component of this is what kind of blowback

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Speaker 1: When you take the bull by the horns on an

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Speaker 1: issue like this, you're going to get some blowback. You're

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Speaker 1: going to get You're going to catch some heat. What's

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Speaker 1: that been like since you announced this notion that you

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Speaker 1: want to have these increased inspections.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you saw for my letter, you know, forty

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Speaker 3: two of us sign on to a letter asking for

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Speaker 3: additional oversight using the powers that we invested in the

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Speaker 3: Department of Children and Youth when we created them two

517
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Speaker 3: years ago. That was the short term solution of saying, hey,

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Speaker 3: put your boots on the ground and do the job

519
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Speaker 3: that we gave you now, like we're not saying ignore

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Speaker 3: the rest of sustainable wile, but we want to increase

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Speaker 3: effort where there's a hot spot of concern while we

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Speaker 3: provide a legislative fix. Then you're going to see a

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Speaker 3: slew of my colleagues sign on to the legislation that

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Speaker 3: we're introducing that is very reasonable. And we've met with

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Speaker 3: DC why in regards to this. We've talked to the

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Speaker 3: Attorney General's office in regards to this, We've talked to

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Speaker 3: the Auditor's office in regards to the legislation we're introducing.

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Speaker 3: We got the thumbs up from everybody that the solutions

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Speaker 3: that we are proposing are not only workable, but are

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Speaker 3: substantial steps in the right direction to prevent not just punished,

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Speaker 3: but prevent waste fraud abuse in the childcare system.

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Speaker 4: And when I'm done introducing this legislation and we.

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Speaker 3: Get this moving, I'll move on to the next area

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Speaker 3: of concern. To make sure that our constituents are confident

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Speaker 3: that the taxpayer dollars are being used and being watched.

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Speaker 4: Over by their elected officials appropriately.

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Speaker 3: Now when it comes to the blowback, of course I

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Speaker 3: get blowback. I've got slew of members of the Somali

539
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Speaker 3: community on my social media at tagging me and stuff

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Speaker 3: and calling me a big and calling me a racist

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Speaker 3: and calling me a Nazi. But as you alluded to earlier,

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Speaker 3: I got a very difficult upbringing. I overcame tremendous adversity,

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Speaker 3: you know, being homeless in a high school dropout, and

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Speaker 3: you know, being disabled for almost six years, fighting through

545
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Speaker 3: that injury and forty procedures, having metal put in my

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Speaker 3: spine just to go to coge at thirty and graduating

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Speaker 3: all the way from being a freshman to walking across

548
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Speaker 3: the stage with my bachelors and then eventually my Juris

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Speaker 3: doctorate in just five years.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 3: I've overcome so much tremendous odds that that type of

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Speaker 3: criticism is like.

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Speaker 4: Saw it on my shoulder. I just prush it off,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of times I.

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Speaker 1: Do it bring it, bringing a little bit better than

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Speaker 1: what they're bringing it.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Oh yeah, like that, that little bit of

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Speaker 4: that criticism.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't matter to me. You know, if I didn't want criticism,

560
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Speaker 3: I just would have stayed in the private sector, continuing

561
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Speaker 3: to do my law work where I was rising, starting

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Speaker 3: the legal community here in northwest Ohio. I wouldn't went

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Speaker 3: into public service if I didn't want criticism. I really

564
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Speaker 3: don't care. I believe, you know, through God's.

565
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: Grace and mercy, he brought me through.

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Speaker 3: Some difficult times to bring hope back to a generation

567
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Speaker 3: and to provide enough oversight and creative ideas to help

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Speaker 3: millions of people overcome adversity like I overcame. So I'm

569
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Speaker 3: trying to make it easier for the next generation. And

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Speaker 3: one thing that we have to understand is that you

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Speaker 3: are being taxed and your money is being used and abused.

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Speaker 3: So one I owe it to the taxpayer to guarantee

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Speaker 3: I do everything on my effort to provide oversight of

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Speaker 3: taxpayer dollars. Two that I reduce taxes. One way that

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Speaker 3: I reduce taxes is I reduce spending. One way that

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Speaker 3: I reduce spending as I reduced the amount of fraud

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Speaker 3: and abuse in the system. There are interconnected. The more

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Speaker 3: waste fraud abuster is, the more money I got to

579
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Speaker 3: generate to pay for, the more taxes we have to have.

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Speaker 3: And that's anti Republican So we're taking a different approach.

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Speaker 3: We're going to cut down on this stuff. We're going

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Speaker 3: to increase penalties for a fraud being committed in the

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Speaker 3: state of Ohio. We're going to increase the availability of

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Speaker 3: cutting off funding to these providers that are using our

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Speaker 3: system just to pad their own pockets and not providing

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Speaker 3: a real resource to the community. And I do want

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Speaker 3: to provide one last thing that we haven't been discussing

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Speaker 3: a lot that I want to highlight. What these videos

589
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Speaker 3: showed me is that many of these workers that these

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Speaker 3: daycare centers do not speak proficient English. How are they

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Speaker 3: getting these children prepared for Kennergarten if you can't teach

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Speaker 3: them proficient English in the daycare centers themselves. That's why

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Speaker 3: you're seeing a large number of students not prepared for Kennygarten.

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Speaker 3: A large number of our tax dollars go as supplemental

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Speaker 3: funding the school districts when kids can't speak English as

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Speaker 3: their primary language. And in addition, we're also.

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Speaker 4: Seen on these videos where these centers.

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Speaker 3: Are refusing to enroll students that are not smiling. That

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Speaker 3: is a clear violation of the federal rules that they

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Speaker 3: signed onto anti discrimination policies that they signed on to

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Speaker 3: to be licensed in the state of Ohio. We need

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Speaker 3: to start investigating that this is not a subsidized childcare

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Speaker 3: for one particular group.

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Speaker 4: Imagine if we did that on race.

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Speaker 3: Imagine if I tried to drop off my kit to

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Speaker 3: a daycare facility, because I'm Black, I'm not allowed enrolled,

607
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Speaker 3: or because I'm White, I'm not allowed to row or

608
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 3: Mexican people will be up in arms. So because there's

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Speaker 3: a community that says they're only going to enroll people

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Speaker 3: from their community, that should be a huge red flag

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00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: right now to the Department of Children in Youth that

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00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: there needs to be an enforcement effort that these are

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Speaker 3: publicly funded childcare facilities that must be open to the public,

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Speaker 3: and anyone that wants to enroll their children, if they're denied,

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Speaker 3: there should be a private right of action against that

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Speaker 3: childcare provider.

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Speaker 1: Josh Williams makes perfect sense to me. We've only got

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Speaker 1: about thirty seconds left here and I got to let

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Speaker 1: you go. But I've seen so much reporting on this

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Speaker 1: and so much speculation. When you look at what's happening

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, they're saying the fraud there could be an

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Speaker 1: excess of nine billion dollars. Some are saying that what

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Speaker 1: is happening here in Ohio could be worse than even

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Minnesota. Do you have any sense at all,

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Speaker 1: based on what you've learned to this point, that that

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Speaker 1: may be even close to being true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think we're even close to the amount

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Speaker 3: that we saw in Minnesota. I don't even think we're

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Speaker 3: going to hit a billion dollars of fraud from these

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Speaker 3: type of child care scams. But any dollar amount that

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Speaker 3: is committed to fraud is a concern. And I well,

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Speaker 3: we're different from Minnesota is that you have a Republican

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Speaker 3: elected General Assembly, statewide officials here in Ohio compared to Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: where Minnesota at a state level turned the blind eye

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Speaker 3: and refuse to enforcement. Here we are looking at these

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Speaker 3: blue bubbles across the state of Ohio have a increased

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00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: fraud and the Republican rest of the state is going

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Speaker 3: to be responsive in providing oversight. So you are gonna

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Speaker 3: we're gonna get better answers here in the stateable how

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Speaker 3: than you'll ever see in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: All Right with that, Josh Williams, we got to run

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Speaker 1: keep up the great work and maybe we'll have you

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Speaker 1: on again after your news conference on Thursday, so we're

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Speaker 1: looking forward to that. Josh Williams, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: and keep up the great work and we'll be talking

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Speaker 1: to you again before too long. All right, there you go,

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Speaker 1: Josh Williams. He's out of here. Nine fifty six. Pretty

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Speaker 1: good stuff right there. Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan, seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW back on the big one, seven hundred WLW

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Speaker 1: ten oh eight. Dan Carrolyn for Scott Sloan. Glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. Glad you are here as well. And I

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Speaker 1: want to thank my last guest guys. Just fantastic. Josh Williams,

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Speaker 1: State Rep. Graduated from the Toledo Law School, same as

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, a great American. Kevin Aldridge from the Cincinnati Inquirer.

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Speaker 1: He is the opinion editor there. He will be my

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Speaker 1: guest after the news at the bottom of the hour,

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Speaker 1: and get ready for the show. Today. I saw this

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Speaker 1: peace on WCPO channel nine about dozens of protesters gathering

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Speaker 1: in Newport to speak out against local jail holding ICE detainees,

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Speaker 1: and some of these individuals talking about they are out

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Speaker 1: there to speak up against holding immigrants, mothers, fathers, daughters, sons,

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Speaker 1: right there in that building, right there, said Michael Staverman.

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Speaker 1: As an American, I feel extremely disappointed. Protesters brought banners

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Speaker 1: and flags and homemade signs, and you know, they just

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Speaker 1: just don't want to see these good people being locked

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Speaker 1: up unnecessarily. Well is that true? Is that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: are these really the kind of people that you want

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Speaker 1: to go to bat for? And I asked that because

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Speaker 1: because when you look at not every single one, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of the individuals who are getting arrested by ICE,

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Speaker 1: and isn't people with serious, serious crimes under their belt

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota for example? And then look, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that people that are arrested in Kentucky have these same

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Speaker 1: crimes to their credit, but chances are some of them do.

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Speaker 1: Are these people you really want to stand up for?

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Speaker 1: Amid their enforcement surge, federal immigration authorities have nabbed the

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Speaker 1: worst of the worst criminal illegal migrants all across the land,

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Speaker 1: according to ICE director Todd Lyons, While deporting officers nab

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Speaker 1: gruesome individuals throughout Minnesota and the country, high profile Democrat

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Speaker 1: politicians and folks like we saw a Newport over the

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Speaker 1: weekend are publicly demanding that they leave immediately. Regardless of

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Speaker 1: stage political theatrics, ICE is going to continue to arrest

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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota

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Speaker 1: and elsewhere. Some of these criminal aliens have had final

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Speaker 1: orders for removal for thirty years, but they have been

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Speaker 1: free to terrorize people across Minnesota and across the country.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, let me get to the part where they

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Speaker 1: talk about here we go. Among those recently arrested, Serderon

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Speaker 1: Pavey and Aleotian criminal illegal migrant convicted of both and

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Speaker 1: I've never heard this term before, strong armsodomy of a

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Speaker 1: boy and a girl, a slate of other crimes. Tuvang

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Speaker 1: who's also a Laotian criminal illegal migrant convict a sexual

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Speaker 1: assault in sodomy of a girl under the age of thirteen,

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Speaker 1: procuring a child for prostitution. According to ICE, both men

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Speaker 1: have outstanding final orders for their removal that date back

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Speaker 1: several years. So they have final orders, So this means

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Speaker 1: they've already received due process, and that is the case

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Speaker 1: with many of these individuals that wind up getting arrested.

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Speaker 1: Another illegal immigrant from Laos convicted of raping a twelve

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Speaker 1: year old girl kidnapping a child with intent to sexually

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Speaker 1: assault her. Also taken into custody by ice. Another criminal

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Speaker 1: illegal migrant from Laos now by deportation officers, previously convicted

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Speaker 1: of rape fooling a child. So many of these individuals

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Speaker 1: have crimes as they and have children as their victim.

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Speaker 1: So is this really what you want to stand up

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Speaker 1: for when you're out there demonstrating in front of these

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Speaker 1: federal buildings. Now it's true, they could be fathers, they

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Speaker 1: could be brothers, they could be all kinds of good people.

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Speaker 1: But I'd say, just, you know, look a little closer

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Speaker 1: at who's being arrested. If you go to Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: has a website. If you go to DHS dot gov,

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Speaker 1: you will find the Department of Homeland Security. They're highlighting

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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst criminal aliens arrested by Immigration

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Speaker 1: and Customs enforcement. And you can go and you can

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Speaker 1: I mean you can scroll. There's let me see, there's

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Speaker 1: how many pages are There's one hundred. Now there's one

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Speaker 1: and thirty eight pages. And they've got mugshots of these individuals.

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Speaker 1: Here's a woman arrested from Mexico, cruelty towards a child,

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Speaker 1: hit and run, criminal threats. Here's a dude from Somalia,

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Speaker 1: sexual conduct, fourth degree of a victim thirteen to fifteen

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Speaker 1: years old. Dude, Another dude from Mexico, child abduction, I mean, Honduras,

722
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Speaker 1: domestic battery, Honduras resisting arrest, domestic abuse, domestic abuse, child endangerment.

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Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on, page after

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Speaker 1: page after page of the worst individuals. So you hear

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Speaker 1: this narrative that they're just rounding up people who are

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Speaker 1: minding their own business, people who are trying to work,

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Speaker 1: people who are paying taxes. Yeah, that's not really necessarily

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Speaker 1: true in all cases. What else is not necessarily true

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Speaker 1: is that the woman remain a Cold Good, unfortunately killed

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Speaker 1: by ICE agents in Minneapolis, was just a mother who

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Speaker 1: was there dropping her child off at school, wound up

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Speaker 1: in the middle of this Ice enforcement was just trying

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Speaker 1: to get out of the way. Well, there was additional

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Speaker 1: video that came out over the weekend that shows Renain

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Speaker 1: a Cold Good in her vehicle repeatedly honking a horn,

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Speaker 1: blocking the street, engaging with ICE officers, And there is

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Speaker 1: a narrative out there that what they were trying to do,

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Speaker 1: what part of their training was was. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: create a confrontation. They wanted to have a situation where

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Speaker 1: there would be some sort of physical altercation with ice officers.

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Speaker 1: Get the video of that, get it out there, great propaganda.

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Speaker 1: Look at these federal agents beating up on a helpless woman,

743
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Speaker 1: taking her down. Terrible. Look all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: They wanted it out there. This is a woman who

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Speaker 1: was referred to as a warrior, so she was a warrior,

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Speaker 1: died doing what was right. Said a mother named Lisa,

747
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Speaker 1: whose child attends the same school, the same school. And

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Speaker 1: this is a woman who took her six year old

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Speaker 1: to a school, her son's charter school, and the charter

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Speaker 1: school says that they put social justice first and prioritize

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Speaker 1: involving kids in political and social activism. That is the

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Speaker 1: school she was taking her kid to prioritize social justice

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Speaker 1: and involving kids in political and social activism. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you. I've had six year old. My kids

755
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: are a lot older now than six years old. If

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Speaker 1: I was going to enroll them in a private school,

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Speaker 1: a school whose first priority is involving kids in these

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Speaker 1: sorts of things as social justice and involving kids in

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Speaker 1: social activism and political activism. If that's their if that's

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Speaker 1: their main focus, I'm not taking my kid there. Maybe

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't either at six years old. I think the

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Speaker 1: kid has a lot more important things to focus on

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Speaker 1: than social and political activism. But that's where that's where

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Speaker 1: she took her Again, look, if that's what you want

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Speaker 1: to do, that by all means. But my point is

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Speaker 1: it adds to this narrative, and I think factual reporting

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Speaker 1: that she was an operative seeking to disrupt the operations

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Speaker 1: of these federal agents. So on the Sunday Shows, ilhan

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Speaker 1: Omar was out there on CBS and she was rolling

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Speaker 1: out a new narrative about why this woman was not

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Speaker 1: at fault. And here's what il han Omar had to say, Dave,

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Speaker 1: can we hear cut number one?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 5: If they are saying that he has ten years on

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Speaker 5: service and is trained, he should know that you shouldn't

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Speaker 5: be trying to get in front of a moving.

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Speaker 1: Car and oh so brilliant, so smart as ill han Omer.

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Speaker 1: This guy's been on the job for ten years, he's

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Speaker 1: got experience, he's got trained, he should know better. That

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Speaker 1: is where that is the argument they're going to try

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Speaker 1: to make now, she was true doing a trial a

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Speaker 1: trial balloon on that on Sunday shows. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that narrative is going to take but Ilha and

784
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Speaker 1: Omar got some of the best consultings she can get

785
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Speaker 1: from Democrat operatives. Put this out there. Yeah, the guy,

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Speaker 1: they take you ten years of training. Guys should have

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Speaker 1: known better. Don't stand in front of a moving car. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, the car wasn't moving when he initially

789
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Speaker 1: got into the position, and I'm not I don't look,

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Speaker 1: We've been through this. I've been through this multiple times

791
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Speaker 1: already talking about how the ICE agents are not at fault.

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Speaker 1: It was the fault of the woman who was driving

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Speaker 1: the car. Bottom line. So there was a piece written

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Speaker 1: in town Hall by a guy named Kevin mccallaugh talking

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Speaker 1: about talking about ICE and what they engage in on

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Speaker 1: a regular basis, and he writes that the national media

797
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Speaker 1: has chosen the focus nearly exclusively on the fatal shooting

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Speaker 1: of Renee Good during that enforcement operation, portraying her as

799
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Speaker 1: an innocent victim, while largely ignoring the context of her

800
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Speaker 1: actions and the purpose of the operation she interfered with.

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, Let's be clear about something that far

802
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: too many commentators refused to say out loud. Renee Good

803
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Speaker 1: was not a passive bystander. She inserted herself directly into

804
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Speaker 1: a live federal law enforcement operation, used her vehicle to

805
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Speaker 1: obstruct officers who were actively attempting to decraine to detain

806
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Speaker 1: criminal suspects. That intrusion matters, It's not incidental. It is

807
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Speaker 1: central to understanding what unfolded. Federal agents were not conducting

808
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Speaker 1: a random sweep. They were executing targeted arrests of individuals

809
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Speaker 1: with violent criminal histories, as I just talked about a

810
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Speaker 1: few minutes ago. When a civilian deliberately interferes with that

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Speaker 1: kind of operation, the risk level changes instantly for everyone involved.

812
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Speaker 1: But while the media loops the same footage and politicians

813
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Speaker 1: rushed to microphones, another part of the ICE story goes

814
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Speaker 1: completely untold. In recent weeks, ICE has conducted enforcement actions

815
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey that looked nothing like the caricature painted

816
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Speaker 1: by activists. Several undocumented construction workers were encouraged or encountered,

817
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Speaker 1: i should say, by federal agents. One individual, well known

818
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: in his church community, was detained and deported after acknowledging

819
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Speaker 1: his unlawful status. The process was orderly, respectful, and notably,

820
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Speaker 1: the federal government has already offered him a legal pathway

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Speaker 1: to return to the United States. Another worker from the

822
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Speaker 1: same site was detained, briefly questioned, and then released back

823
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Speaker 1: to his family. Here's why. He had no criminal record,

824
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Speaker 1: not a misdemeanor, no duy, not even a speeding ticket.

825
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Speaker 1: He's been paying taxes every year that he's lived in

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Speaker 1: the country, and he has receipts to prove it. He

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Speaker 1: has multiple children. One of his his sons currently serves

828
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Speaker 1: in the United States Armed Forces. Two years ago, he

829
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Speaker 1: began the process of applying for legal status despite the

830
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Speaker 1: fact that he's technically here unlawfully. ICE exercised discretion. He

831
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Speaker 1: was not the port, not separated from his family. He

832
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Speaker 1: was not treated as a threat because he isn't one.

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Speaker 1: No protest marches were organized for him, No national headlines

834
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Speaker 1: were written, No elected officials held price conferences demanding ICE

835
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Speaker 1: be dismantled because of this case. Why. Because that story

836
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Speaker 1: does not serve the outrage economy. ICE is not a monolith.

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Speaker 1: It is not a rogue agency roaming the streets indiscriminately

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Speaker 1: in Minneapolis. It was focused on removing dangerous criminals in

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. They demonstrated judgment, restraint and compassion towards individuals

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Speaker 1: who pose no threats to public safety. Both of these

841
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: things can be true at the same time, even though

842
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Speaker 1: the media refuses to acknowledge it. What we're witnessing right

843
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: now is not a serious debate over immigration policy. It's

844
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Speaker 1: a selective presentation of facts designed to provoke emotion while

845
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Speaker 1: suppressing context. One tragic death is being used to delegitimize

846
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Speaker 1: an entire enforcement system, even as that system is actively

847
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Speaker 1: removing rapists and murderers from American communities. The comparison that

848
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Speaker 1: no one wants to make is also the one that

849
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: matters most. On one side are violent criminals with records

850
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Speaker 1: that justify removal. On the other side are non violent

851
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Speaker 1: individuals who work, pay taxes, raise families. Are often handled

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Speaker 1: with discretion by ICE officers who understand the difference. So

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Speaker 1: as I read this, this was actually news to me

854
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Speaker 1: that I did not know that ICE officers had this discretion.

855
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Speaker 1: So when they go on these roundups, they are looking

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Speaker 1: for individuals, and as ICE Christinome has said from the

857
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Speaker 1: very beginning, we are going after the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 1: Those individuals with criminal records who already have and in

859
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Speaker 1: buyo large they are not in every single case, but

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Speaker 1: in the majority of cases, they already have orders for

861
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Speaker 1: removal because they are criminals and they have engaged in

862
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Speaker 1: some of the most unspeakable crimes you can imagine. So

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Speaker 1: when ICE encounters these people, they're going to go into

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Speaker 1: a workplace, They're going to go into an apartment building,

865
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Speaker 1: They're going to wherever these individuals are. Yeah, they're going

866
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Speaker 1: to put a lot of people in cuffs. But guess what,

867
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Speaker 1: after they talk to them, they find out who they are,

868
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Speaker 1: they find out what's been going on. In a lot

869
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: of cases, they take the cuffs off. You're free to go.

870
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing, just do it the right way.

871
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Did you know that ICE had

872
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: that discretion and they use it on America and or

873
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. So these are ICE stories that

874
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: you don't hear all the time, and until you start

875
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: hearing them all the time, we're all going to be misled,

876
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: not by agents on the ground, but by those who

877
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: profit politically from these half truths that are being told.

878
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: And the truth, as Bill Cunningham always says, we'll set

879
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: you free. I didn't know that was going on, but

880
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: you know it now. Ten twenty six Kevin Aldridge of

881
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: the Inquiry coming up after the News at the bottom

882
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: of the hour, Dan Carroll for Scott Sloan, seven hundred

883
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: WLW All right back on the big one, seven dred

884
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: LW ten thirty eight, Dan Carol sitting in for Scott

885
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: Sloan today. And there are so many things happening in

886
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati right now. We've got the mayor

887
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: who's out there saying, hey, we need we need an

888
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: income tax, we need more income tax if we want

889
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: to have public safety. We've got city council who may

890
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: go into executive session today to work on a settlement

891
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: for the Hinton family. And then the trial begins. Re

892
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 1: associated with the downtown brawl that had Cincinnati all over

893
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: the all over the news or back in the this

894
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: past summer, back in July and August, and it seemed

895
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: to go on for months and months and months. Joining

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Speaker 1: me now to touch on all these subjects is Kevin Aldridge,

897
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: the opinion editor at the Cincinnati Inquirer. And Kevin, always

898
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: great to have you on. How you doing today, Hey.

899
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Dan, Happy New Year. I can't remember

900
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 6: if we talked since the New Year, but in case

901
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 6: we have it, hope all is well. You're your family

902
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 6: are blessed and always a pleasure.

903
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that, and then this may very well

904
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: be the first time that we have spoken in twenty

905
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Speaker 1: twenty six. So the trial for Alexander Travinsky begins today.

906
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: How interested are you going to be in this? And

907
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: do you think there's any possibility that we're going to

908
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: glean anything new from what happened in this brawl incident

909
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: back in July? Well, how can you not be interested

910
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: in it?

911
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 6: I mean, this was a subject that you know, sort

912
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 6: of dominated conversation in Cincinnati for several months this past summer,

913
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 6: and mister Travinsky was at one of the key figures

914
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 6: and at the center point it is. So, you know,

915
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 6: who knows what will come out in court. I think

916
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 6: there is the possibility there's some new details or some

917
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 6: further elaboration or explanation about how things got started, what

918
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 6: was said and done, you know, perhaps all of that

919
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 6: could come out in testimony. So I think there's a

920
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 6: possibility that we could get some new information and insight

921
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 6: that we that we haven't had before, and if I'm

922
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 6: not mistaken, you know, I could be wrong.

923
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: I don't get to see or read everything.

924
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 6: But I don't know that we've actually, you know, heard

925
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 6: any kind of commentary or statement or testimony anything like

926
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 6: that for mister Travinsky. Now, I don't know if he'll

927
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 6: wind up, you know, giving any testimony or anything like that,

928
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 6: but certainly if he does, that would be certainly worth

929
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 6: hearing and something I.

930
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: Think we would all be interested in. Yeah, I don't

931
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: know if he has spoken yet to I don't recall

932
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Speaker 1: him having spoken to any media sources to this point.

933
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: I know his lawyer has come out and said some

934
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Speaker 1: things and said, essentially, look, the video that came out

935
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: after the fact on all of this really proves that

936
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: his client is an innocent man. So we will see

937
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: how that plays out in court. Today city Council is

938
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: going to have a meeting, at least a committee of

939
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: the City Council is going to have a meeting. The

940
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: Budget and Finance Committee is meeting at one at which

941
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Speaker 1: point they may go into executive session, we are told,

942
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: and at that executive session there may be a settlement

943
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: discussed about the hint in case the idea, and this

944
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: broke huge. It was last Thursday night. I had Ken coberon.

945
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: I was on the radio Thursday night. I had Ken coberon.

946
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: He was very upset that apparently this negotiation has been

947
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: going on it quietly, I guess is the way to

948
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: us say it really without any notice. And there are

949
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: a lot of city council members who said they had

950
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: no no concept that this was going on. How do

951
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: you see this? The idea that the city of Cincinnati

952
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: would be looking to reach what could be a multimillion

953
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: dollar settlement with the family of this individual, Ryan Hinton Junior,

954
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: eighteen years old, fatally shot by Cincinnati police. The prosecutor

955
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: County Pillage looked at it, said, hey, look, everything was

956
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: by the book here, nothing nothing worth prosecuting. The idea

957
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: that our city manager would be looking to pay this city,

958
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: uh maybe millions of dollars. How does that sit with you?

959
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: When the way this whole story has rolled out. How

960
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: do you see it? Dan, you're still there? Yeah, Kevin,

961
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: you got me?

962
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 6: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, sorry I thought I lost you

963
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 6: for a minute.

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Speaker 1: That's okay.

965
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so so here's what I'll say.

966
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Speaker 6: This comes as no surprise when when the hint and

967
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 6: shooting first happened, and this was even before Connie Pillage,

968
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 6: you know, uh exonerated the officer in the particular thing.

969
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 6: I said, this was coming. Look, this is this is predictable.

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00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 6: These sorts of situations and incidents carry a particular cadence,

971
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Speaker 6: not just here in Cincinnati, but across the country. And

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Speaker 6: I and I said, in the wake of the shooting,

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Speaker 6: you can probably expend that the officer will not be

974
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Speaker 6: held responsible or he will be justified in the shooting,

975
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Speaker 6: but that the family might also come back with a lawsuit.

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Speaker 6: Now the family hasn't filed a lawsuit yet, but I

977
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Speaker 6: think anybody with a modicum of understanding about how these

978
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 6: things go knew that that was probably coming.

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Speaker 7: Right.

980
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 6: It was predictable. I predicted it. I said that it

981
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 6: was going to happen. So what you probably have seen

982
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 6: happen here is lawyers from the city with lawyers of

983
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 6: the estate from mister Hinton have probably been having some conversations.

984
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 6: And what people have to recognize is is that in

985
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 6: civil cases, the burden of proof and liability is different

986
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 6: than in a criminal case, which is like ninety eight

987
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 6: percent or something like that. You know where it has

988
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 6: to be beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal case,

989
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 6: you don't have to have that same burden in a

990
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 6: civil case. People are most familiar with the oj Simpson case.

991
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 6: He was acquitted in criminal court but found libel in

992
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 6: civil court, and so there's risk that's higher whether the

993
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 6: officer has been justified in the shooting by the city

994
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 6: or not. If this were to go to court, there

995
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 6: would be less of a burden on Hinton's family to

996
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 6: make the case against the city. On top of that,

997
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 6: you go through that legal proceeding. If the lawsuit is filed,

998
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 6: who knows what else comes out in depositions, in court

999
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 6: testimony that the city might not want to come out

1000
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 6: That could be even more damaging than going ahead and

1001
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 6: trying to settle these cases. So I think if you

1002
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 6: want to look at it from a legal monetary standpoint,

1003
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 6: we know a lot of times settlements are reached because

1004
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 6: at least one party recognizes that it could be far

1005
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 6: more costly, not just monetarily, but in damage to the

1006
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 6: reputation of the city, the police department, and who knows

1007
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 6: what that does to community relations. So I think if

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01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 6: you want to in an emotional moment say oh, this

1009
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 6: might be a bad move for the city. You haven't

1010
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 6: thought it through completely to all of the tendrils and

1011
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 6: things that are out there. Here's one of the other

1012
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 6: things that I would add that might be a calculation.

1013
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: By the city.

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01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 6: If this thing goes to court, Police Chief Teresa Thiji

1015
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 6: probably is going to have to testify in that case.

1016
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 6: She's under investigation by the city. Is that really a

1017
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 6: witness that if you're the city of Cincinnati right now

1018
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 6: you want testifying in a potential case that could result

1019
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 6: in millions of dollars of payout. So there are a

1020
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 6: lot of calculations that I think people haven't sort of

1021
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 6: fully thought through about why the city might be entertaining

1022
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 6: these conversations.

1023
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: I want to talk about Teresa Thichi, But when getting

1024
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: back to the hinting story here and the possible settlement,

1025
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't think you can divorce from this. What happened

1026
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: after the video was viewed by the family, and that

1027
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: is that the father of this young man went out

1028
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,439
Speaker 1: and there's information that during this meeting where they were

1029
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: showing the video to the family, the police chief was

1030
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: there that mister Hinton took a swing at the police chief,

1031
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: which is a crime in and of itself. He was

1032
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: not detained for that at all, went out and then

1033
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: wound up mowing down sheriff Deputy Larry Henderson in cold blood.

1034
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 1: So I think you can see why Ken Kober and

1035
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: the rest of law enforcement, not just Cincinnati police but

1036
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: Hamilton County Sheriff's deputies as well, are highly upset about

1037
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: this because this looks like an absolute slap in the

1038
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: face to law enforcement to say that we are going

1039
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: to go back to the family of this individual, who

1040
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: is very likely I at this point it's all alleged

1041
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: but very likely, and we really haven't heard any facts

1042
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: otherwise to dispute it, ran down, mowed down the sheriff's

1043
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: depany in cold blood. Is this not just a disrespectful

1044
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: gesture as disrespectful as you can possibly get towards the

1045
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office in Cincinnati Police.

1046
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 6: Well, it would be, it would be, and that might

1047
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 6: be relevant if Rodney Hinton was getting any of this

1048
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 6: settlement money, but he's not. This particular conversation or negotiation

1049
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 6: is between the estate of the young man who was killed,

1050
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 6: which is his I think the executor of that that

1051
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 6: whole estate is his mother's mother. So if you've noticed,

1052
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 6: the family has been seemingly, at least publicly, from what

1053
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 6: they've displayed in the media, trying very much to separate

1054
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 6: themselves and their claim on what happened to young mister

1055
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 6: Hinton from the actions.

1056
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: That the father took out.

1057
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 6: From what I've seen or heard, no one in that

1058
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 6: family has defended or condoned what.

1059
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Speaker 1: The father did in this case.

1060
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Speaker 6: And so I think to conflate what the estate is

1061
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 6: trying to get for the young man to what the

1062
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 6: father did, I think it's disingenuous, nor is it accurate.

1063
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 6: So I think what Ken Cober is trying to suggest

1064
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 6: in saying that crime pays is that somehow mister Hinton

1065
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 6: is going to be the beneficiary from anything that the

1066
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 6: family gets. And that's just not accurate and it's not true.

1067
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 6: And I think that mister Kober has more of a

1068
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 6: responsibility to speak. Now, if you want to be critical

1069
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 6: of what mister Hinton did, certainly I don't think anybody

1070
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 6: condones that. Says that it was right, and he'll, you know,

1071
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 6: he'll pay for the penalty of that, assuming that, you know,

1072
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 6: a jury finds him guilty of that crime. But I

1073
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 6: think to conflate what the family is going through, which

1074
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 6: they have every legal right to do, to challenge this thing,

1075
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 6: potentially civilly, with what the father did. I think to

1076
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 6: conflate those two things is not accurate, nor is it fair,

1077
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Speaker 6: and nor does it help the situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, you know, I think when you look at

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Speaker 1: it in context, when you have just a month or

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Speaker 1: so ago, we had the announcement of this settlement for

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Speaker 1: individuals who were rioting in downtown Cincinnati after the George

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Speaker 1: Floyd incident in Minneapolis. That was an eight point one

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: million dollar settlement. Then comes word that there's going to

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Speaker 1: be another settlement with an individual who the video shows

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Speaker 1: it running from police, dropped the weapon, picked it up,

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01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: turned towards cops, could have fired a shot. Police shot

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Speaker 1: first ended his tragically, sadly and ended his life. And

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Speaker 1: just the idea that we are so gun about taking

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Speaker 1: these cases to court, standing up for our police department

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Speaker 1: to say, look, we were in the right, We were

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Speaker 1: in the right. When the mayor came out and said

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Speaker 1: there's a curfew and you can't have that curfew and

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01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: these individuals got arrested, it just seems that it's more

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Speaker 1: on one hand, giving lip service to the notion that yes,

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Speaker 1: as city leaders, we have your back, but then when

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Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road, well they may not have

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Speaker 1: their back at all.

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Speaker 6: Well, and again, here's what I'm saying. If you want

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Speaker 6: to look at it from that simplistic of a point

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 6: of view, you can certainly look at that and say, oh,

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01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 6: this is the city not standing up, you know, and defending.

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Speaker 1: Its police officers.

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Speaker 6: But let me ask you this, Dan so whatever, and

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01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 6: there's no I don't care what anybody says. There's no

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01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 6: concrete dollar figure that anybody can say exists as accurate

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01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 6: because we don't know, right, King Kobert doesn't it. King

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 6: Kobert doesn't know. People on city Council don't know. So

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Speaker 6: anybody who's out there talking about multi million dollar settlement

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01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 6: is just blowing smoke because they don't know. There are

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Speaker 6: no dollar figures that have been reported to the public

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01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 6: or put out there, nor would there be, because even

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01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 6: if you were in this kind of legal negotiation with

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01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 6: the family, you're not going to discuss that in public

1114
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 6: because you know, you give away any leverage position that

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 6: you would by exposing where your game plan is no

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01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 6: lawsuit or settlement is ever discussed in the public, city

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01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 6: or otherwise. So this notion that it should have been public.

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01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 6: People who say that, you know, won't be satisfied by

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01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 6: making it public that the city winds up coming out

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Speaker 6: of many more millions of dollars for sort of politics

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 6: we had.

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Speaker 1: We had at least two council members come out over

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Speaker 1: the weekend and say they had no knowledge of this.

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01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,160
Speaker 1: So it seems to me, and you know that that's

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01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: embarrassing if the city. Yeah, it seems to me that

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01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: at least city council should have some knowledge that that

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: this the test types of negotiations are in progress.

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Speaker 3: Dan if I predicted this two or.

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Speaker 6: Three months ago that this was going, that there would

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 6: there would be these types of conversations. I'm not on

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01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 6: city council, I'm not elected official.

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01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist who's who's.

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01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 6: Been at this for a long time. And so for

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01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 6: a city council member to say that they had no

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01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 6: inkling or clue, it's troubling because they should if I

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01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 6: could predict it and see it, they should have seen

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01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 6: it coming down the road. They should have been asking questions,

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01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 6: why aren't they having conversations with their city manager and

1139
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 6: the attorney asking for reports, saying where are we at

1140
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 6: on this? Come on man, well on to admit that they're.

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: Ignorant to that. Well, not only did they say they

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01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: didn't know about it, but they're opposed to to a

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01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: settlement like this taking place. So there's that in the

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: time that we have less left. We have not spoken

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01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: since f Taed Purval came out and proposed this income

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: tax increase and essentially said, luck, We've talked a lot

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: about public safety during the campaign. I taught. I spoke

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: to Corey Bowman. I said, you were there at all

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01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 1: the debates. I do not recall the notion of a

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01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: tax increase so we can have public safety or enhance

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: public safety or whatever the mayor talks about when he

1152
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: talks about this increase and how wonderful it's going to be.

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: Were you what was your take on Aftab Purval coming

1154
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: out during his inauguration to drop this on the taxpayers

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01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: of the city of Cincinnati.

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01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, it's interesting.

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01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 6: So the debate that we hosted between him and Bowman

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01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,919
Speaker 6: and Xavier that was a specific question that I asked,

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 6: you know, both candidates what they say, What did he say,

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01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 6: did they favor Yeah. The mayor said he would not

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01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 6: rule out He said he would not rule out a

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01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 6: tax increase. I think he said something along the lines of, hey,

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01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 6: you know, we don't know what the budget might be,

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 6: we don't know what economic factors might hit us, so

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 6: it was impossible for him to rule out the possibility

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 6: of increasing taxes. So he never said that he wouldn't

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01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 6: raise taxes, which, you know, we're kind of looking for

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01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 6: a yes or no answer to that question just in

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01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 6: case things like this come up. So he did leave

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01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 6: himself that window for the possibility of a tax increase.

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Speaker 6: Now he didn't tie that specifically to public safety or

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Speaker 6: or anything like that. I think, you know, at that

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01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 6: particular time, you know, maybe we were thinking, you know,

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01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 6: they might use those tax increases for you know, for

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01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 6: more infrastructure or affordable housing or things of that nature.

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01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 6: I don't think we were specifically thinking in mind public safety.

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Speaker 6: But with everything that's happened over the last few months

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01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 6: and the pressure political and otherwise that's that's been out

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01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 6: there about the need to get a handle on crime

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 6: here in Cincinnati, you know, maybe this seemed like an

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 6: opportune time for that. But I think the question that

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01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 6: people should be asking is how responsibly is the city

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01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 6: before you know there's any talk of any kind of increase.

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 6: Is looking at what we're doing with the money and

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01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 6: with the dollars that we already have a good point.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point, yal how are they doing with

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: the money they have right now? And I think there's

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01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: a there's a lot of room for improvement there. Kevin Aldridge,

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Speaker 1: We're up against the clock, so we're going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave it right there. But as always, I appreciate

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate your your the way you look at things,

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming on to talk about it.

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01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: And we will do it again before too long. Kevin Aldridge,

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01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: did they inquire? All the best to you man. Thanks,

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 1: Dan Samu You all right there you go, Kevin Aldridge

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Yeah. The quote from AFTAB is

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Speaker 1: he wants to target this money toward public safety and

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Speaker 1: disrupting poverty. How's that worked out in the past. I

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Speaker 1: think we know the answer to that. Ten fifty five.

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: Dan Carrol for Scott's loan seven hundred WLW.

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 3: I'm back on the.

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Speaker 1: Big one, seven hundred W l W eleven o eight.

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01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: Dan carrollin for Scott Sloan. So glad to welcome in

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: my next guest. He is a former Army paratrooper, a

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01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: combat veteran. He is also a former cop and also

1206
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,440
Speaker 1: owns a rum distillery. And he's also a professional podcaster.

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01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: He's got the Failure to Stop. He's got a series

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01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: of podcasts called Failure to Stop. And just a great guy,

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: a guy that I that I know a little bit.

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01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: I got to visit with him a few summers ago

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01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: down to Clayton, North Carolina. It's my pleasure to welcome

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01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: in Eric Tansey and Eric Tansey, how the heck are

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01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: you today?

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Speaker 7: Thank you Dan?

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01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 8: You make me sound so cool.

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: Well, you do, you do what you can. And the

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to have you on is because your

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: book came out not long ago and the title is

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01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,559
Speaker 1: pig Latin, a seriously funny true story of a former

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 1: police officer. And congratulations on the book it what what

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01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: is it tell me about the process of actually sitting

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01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 1: down to put this book together?

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Speaker 8: Oh, you know, Dan, For me it was like it

1224
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 8: was much different than anybody else because I wrote because

1225
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 8: I got in trouble for being a bad writer when

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01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 8: I was a cop. So I wrote a side report

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01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 8: just grammatically bad and almost lost the case because the

1228
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 8: defense was able to argue grammatically when I had said

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 8: because I didn't use the right there, there, and there,

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01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 8: the right whearwear and wear, And so I ended up

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 8: having to write about my day and submitting it into

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 8: a supervisor. And I was like having these dramatic incidents.

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01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 8: I was writing the police report, and then I was

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01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 8: writing again at home for homework, and it was really depressing.

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01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 8: So one day I just was like, you know what,

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01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 8: I'm gonna start writing the funny stuff that happens, or

1237
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 8: you know, like almost reading it more like a diary.

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01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 8: So I would write about all the things that like

1239
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 8: the weird stuff, losing the foot chase, arresting the wrong person,

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01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 8: or you know, the mental breakdowns or whatever. And I

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 8: collected those stories over the course of like eight years,

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01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 8: and I just happened. I don't know, maybe call it God,

1243
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 8: but somebody took a look at it and they said,

1244
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 8: this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. This needs

1245
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 8: to be a book.

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 9: And that was it.

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01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 8: That's how the process started, and we turned it into

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01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 8: one long book from start to finish, and it's really

1249
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 8: really funny, self deprecating, and I'll definitely make you feel

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01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 8: better about who you are as a person.

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 7: I'm sure.

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01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. The our buddy Keefer had had a copy

1253
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: of the book. I swiped his copy the other day

1254
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: and I sat down over the weekend and started reading it.

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, you had you had two tons of

1256
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: fun on your first day on the job, which was

1257
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. But then I got to the next chapter,

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01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 1: and I love the story about Officer Serious and uh

1259
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 1: and and the guys that he hangs with, and and

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 1: your your adventures with Officer Serious. Absolutely fantastic reading. I

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 1: could not put it down, and I don't normally say

1262
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: that about a lot of books that I read. And

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01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm looking at this blurb on the back,

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01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: and this guy talks about that. Uh, he just doesn't

1265
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: tell war stories from the street. He pulls you into them.

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01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, yeah, right, I'm going to be pulled

1267
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: into these stories. But Eric, I'm dumped. I'm not blowing

1268
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: smoke here for I mean, for your first time out

1269
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: writing a book like this, absolutely amazing. I literally did

1270
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: not want to put it down and I can't wait,

1271
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: I start reading these different calls that you go out

1272
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: of and I can't wait to see how they're going

1273
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: to come out in the end. It is absolutely amazing.

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01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 8: It was so much fun, and I think, like what

1275
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 8: makes it such a different book? And by the way,

1276
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 8: the TV series rights have already been sold, so some

1277
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 8: of the guys that were part of a very famous

1278
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 8: TV series, It's Ram for seven seasons, are now making

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01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 8: a TV series out of my book, and that's been

1280
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 8: really fun. I'm on the writing team for that.

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01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: But that is amazing.

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01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 8: I think kind of why the book is done so well,

1283
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 8: and you know, is with Simon Schuster, and you know

1284
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 8: it's in every books for across America, And I think,

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 8: I know what makes it different is I don't know

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 8: that a lot of people have ever written a book

1287
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 8: it's like super honestly about all your mistakes, and especially

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01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 8: in the cop world, right because everybody's afraid they're gonna

1289
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 8: get sued because I write about all the mistakes, like

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Speaker 8: a lot of a lot of mistakes, or like a

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Speaker 8: lot of the feelings that I had towards people that

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Speaker 8: may I may or may not should have had. And

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Speaker 8: I think it's just a really wrong glimpse into what

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01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 8: goes on honestly inside of a cops heat when he's like,

1295
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 8: I don't know this guy guilty or not guilty, but

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01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 8: you know if I touch him, we're gonna fight and

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01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 8: I might be going to jail for this. And you know,

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01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 8: he's just that kind of inner dialogue that I think

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01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 8: really made people go, oh, I never thought that cops

1300
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 8: are actually human beings and have moral dilemmas just like

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01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 8: everybody else. We have ethical dilemmas just like everybody else

1302
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 8: that we have to work through, and we have families

1303
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 8: at home that we make decisions based on. You know, say,

1304
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 8: like people are like, wow, that one story where you

1305
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 8: decided to let that guy go because it's not worth it.

1306
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 8: You know, that's really you know, that's that hit me

1307
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 8: because you know you thought about your kids and you know,

1308
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 8: call it a coward move, but like my going to

1309
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 8: my kids, you know, baseball game or whatever, it's more

1310
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 8: important than getting in a food chase, you know, with

1311
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 8: this guy at that time. So I just think like

1312
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 8: those kinds of stories have never really been pulled from

1313
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 8: a law enforcement perspective, and people really seem to like

1314
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 8: that version of the of the truth.

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01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I you know you and I know

1316
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: each other a little bit. You came up here and

1317
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: you were part of the podcast that I do with

1318
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,680
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine and it's called One Morning, Am

1319
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 1: Out of Here when we had Stu Scheller on our podcast,

1320
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: and I got to visit you down at Clayton, North

1321
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: Carolina and be part of your podcast and hang out

1322
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: with you for a few days there. And that was

1323
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 1: That was a great time. And and the thing is,

1324
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 1: as I read this book, I hear your voice because

1325
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 1: I know you a little bit. And here's the other

1326
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:47,240
Speaker 1: thing that I hear. My son recently graduated back in

1327
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 1: May from the Cincinnati Police Academy. So he's been out

1328
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: on the streets since since May of this of last year.

1329
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: And when he has done with his shifts, a lot

1330
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: of times, not every time, but a lot of times,

1331
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: he calls and talks about the different runs he's been

1332
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: out on and and and I hear a lot of

1333
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: what he says and a lot of what you say

1334
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 1: after that, after that day is over and you're in

1335
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: the driveway and you're thinking about just went down, uh,

1336
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: you're thinking about all that stuff. I hear a lot

1337
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: of that same stuff and what he is telling me.

1338
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: So by reading this book, I feel like I'm going

1339
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: to have a better understanding of what he goes through

1340
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: as he progresses on his journey in law enforcement. And

1341
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: that is a very person that is a very personal

1342
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 1: thing for me, and I want to thank you for

1343
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: that because I'm thinking, when I'm done with this, i

1344
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: want to give this to him because a lot of

1345
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: the things that he's feeling, you're you write about in

1346
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: this book. And and so he's and he doesn't question

1347
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: his training, he doesn't question, uh, you know, if he's

1348
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: doing things the way. He knows he's doing things the

1349
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: right way. But it's that human interaction that sticks with

1350
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: you and you wonder, at the end of the day,

1351
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 1: did I do right by that person as a human being?

1352
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, sometimes it's such a gray area.

1353
01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 8: And you know, it's pretty unbelievable what cops have to

1354
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 8: go through on a daily basis. I mean, you know

1355
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 8: when you write the when when you compile the book,

1356
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 8: and it's just you know, your experience over the course

1357
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 8: of six or seven years on actually on the street,

1358
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 8: Like it's it's pretty insane, Like how much trauma or

1359
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 8: like how much how many critical incidents that you will

1360
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 8: go through in those eight years. But you know it's

1361
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,640
Speaker 8: a human interaction that really does You know that I

1362
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 8: kind of focus on in the book a lot, and

1363
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 8: you know, it's it's such a gray area, right because

1364
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 8: like you know what the law is, but you also know,

1365
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 8: like does the law outweigh the outcome of what's going

1366
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 8: to happen if I give this person a ticket, you

1367
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 8: know it's going to ruin a lot more of their

1368
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 8: life because of their financial situation of where they're at.

1369
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 8: And so you know, it's always like you know, should

1370
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 8: I ticket this person or not take it that person?

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01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 8: And you know some days you don't have time. It's

1372
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 8: just it's such an emotionally taxing job. I don't think

1373
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 8: a lot of people understand that though, like that. You know,

1374
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 8: people give teachers a lot of credit, as they should.

1375
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 8: Teachers are an important thing, but you know, it's not

1376
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 8: even in the same realm of what a cop or

1377
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 8: even a paramedic has to deal with in a single day.

1378
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 8: I don't think the world really truly understands, you know,

1379
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 8: what exactly a cop does in a day.

1380
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 10: You're going to see blood every single day of your life.

1381
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 2: You know, when you go to work.

1382
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 8: And you're going to see somebody's feet mangled up in

1383
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 8: a dashboard every single day, You're going to see a

1384
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 8: stab wound every single day that you work. You're gonna

1385
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 8: get in a foot chase once a month or once

1386
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 8: a week or whatever.

1387
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Speaker 10: I mean, it's just there's so many critical incidents in

1388
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 10: a day. It's just it really is incredible that cops

1389
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 10: do what they do for thirty years.

1390
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And again I want to thank you for

1391
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: the book Pig Latin, a seriously funny true story of

1392
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,639
Speaker 1: a former police officer. Are you still on the book

1393
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 1: tour You're still jumping around different places in the country

1394
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: doing that or is that I know, I know what's

1395
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: going on for a while.

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01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's actually kind of a lot of happened in

1397
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 10: the book too. I didn't really go exactly the sand

1398
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 10: because we sold the movie rights or the TV rights

1399
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 10: and so like, really all the focus has been getting

1400
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 10: this thing turned into a TV series. So lots of

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01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:18,440
Speaker 10: meetings with production companies and directors and other writers and actors,

1402
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 10: and it's been a really cool to be a part

1403
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 10: of that process. And I've got to be on set

1404
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 10: of The Hunting Wise. I kind of signed myself up

1405
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 10: for that one just to get some experience, and that

1406
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 10: kind of got me my foot in the door and

1407
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 10: see what Hollywood's all about. And I just did my

1408
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 10: first audition for a part that's in a movie shot

1409
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 10: next month in New Orleans and I got my first

1410
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 10: callback so for for a part. So I don't know

1411
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 10: if I end up get the part or not, but

1412
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 10: just being in Hollywood. I was in I was in

1413
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:51,440
Speaker 10: three episodes of The Office Joe Show, which is a

1414
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 10: funny TV series about veterans getting out of the military

1415
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:55,480
Speaker 10: and going into the workspace.

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01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 8: Really funny show. I think it's already streaming, but it's

1417
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 8: called Office Joe. But I played a police officer in

1418
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 8: that and that was really fun. So really kind of

1419
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 8: the last six months, I've been doing a lot of

1420
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 8: stuff in Hollywood as far as writing and now acting.

1421
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 8: So that's kind of fun.

1422
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Speaker 1: How about that, Eric Tansy goes Hollywood. Who would have thought?

1423
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: Is absolutely fun?

1424
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 2: Maybe?

1425
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Maybe I'll see you. Know the Golden Globes were

1426
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: on last night. Maybe I'll see you on the next

1427
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: Golden Globes. That's absolutely fantastic. Let me ask you about

1428
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: this the and this is the kind of stuff you

1429
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: talk about in your podcast, and the whole situation in Minneapolis,

1430
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: Renee Nicole Good. The video is out there. I think

1431
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: the video look a lot of thing. I talk about

1432
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: this a lot that A lot of times when it

1433
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 1: comes to situations like this police bodycam video, dash cam video,

1434
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: A lot of times those videos create more questions than

1435
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: they provide answers. But I think in this situation, the

1436
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: multiple videos we have, the different angles, I think it

1437
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: really puts it in good context. And it is amazing

1438
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: to me how those on the left continue to try

1439
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 1: to drive the narrative that the ice officers, the ice

1440
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 1: agents were in the wrong here and somehow Renee Nicole

1441
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 1: Good was simply an innocent victim.

1442
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 8: Well, you know, and it's and that's that's police work.

1443
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 8: So we can always do things better. I mean, there's

1444
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 8: not a single incident that you kind of go to

1445
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 8: that you're like, wow, I really did a good job.

1446
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 8: I said all the right things, and I moved in

1447
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 8: all the right places, and the outcome really turned.

1448
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Out exactly how I want.

1449
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 9: Very rarely does that.

1450
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 8: Actually happen, And for the police, it's very easy to

1451
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 8: sit back and say what he could have done or

1452
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 8: what he should have done. You know, the officer was

1453
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 8: a combat veteran, as I think I know it military veteran.

1454
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 8: There's also a federal agent, and federal agents are they

1455
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 8: have a different approach to policing than the city cop.

1456
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 8: The city cop, you know, he knows everybody in that community,

1457
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 8: and so he's.

1458
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 10: More comfortable, he's more aware. It's easier to have situational awareness.

1459
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 10: But being a federal agent in a new city, it's

1460
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,320
Speaker 10: kind of like you're you're you're an away team. You

1461
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 10: don't really know the crowd, and so your adrenal is

1462
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 10: a little bit higher. You don't get to make the

1463
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 10: same decisions as a street cop because this is a

1464
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 10: new area to you, and cops are human beings, and

1465
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 10: so when you're in a new place and you're also

1466
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 10: not used to that amount of chaos, ICE agents don't

1467
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 10: really typically have a lot of chaos.

1468
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 8: They usually go in, they make an arrest. You know,

1469
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 8: Ugal immigrants kind of know you're coming. A lot of times,

1470
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 8: they pretty much know that ICE is on their way,

1471
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 8: and so there's little, very little drama in majority.

1472
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 10: Of ICE's dealings. So you know, you put a federal

1473
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 10: agent in a new area, in a new position, and

1474
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 10: it's something that he's not used to, and you have

1475
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 10: a woman who sought the police, found the police, blocked

1476
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 10: the police, engaged the police, disobeyed the police, e they

1477
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 10: the police, inadvertently or advertently struck the police with her vehicle.

1478
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 10: I mean, none of that's ever going to turn out good.

1479
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 10: And so I think at the end of the day,

1480
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 10: could the cop have done a lot of things better? Sure, yes, absolutely,

1481
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 10: But think about that quarterback who practices the same play

1482
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 10: over and over again for fifteen years, and you know,

1483
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 10: he gets to the one game that he has to

1484
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 10: produce and and he throws an interception, and you know,

1485
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 10: the fans.

1486
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: Are like, why did he throw that ball?

1487
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 8: You know, it doesn't matter how.

1488
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 10: Much you practice something or how much you plan something.

1489
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 10: When you're in the arena, it's not as easy to

1490
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 10: produce as what civilians might think.

1491
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely absolutely, I think at.

1492
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 10: The end of the day, I think she should have

1493
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 10: just you know, stayed home. Let the police to your job.

1494
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:54,440
Speaker 10: You know that we have a system in place to

1495
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 10: to disagree with the police. And you know, at the

1496
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 10: end of the day. You got to remember that these

1497
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 10: kinds it's not really that personal to them, Like they

1498
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 10: have families that they want to get home to, and

1499
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 10: so they do make decisions based on that as well.

1500
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 10: They don't just they're not warmongers. He knows that when

1501
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 10: he pulls the trigger, but the chances of him going

1502
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 10: to jail are extremely likely. So I don't think that

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Speaker 10: a lot of cops in twenty twenty five are pulling

1504
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 10: the trigger unless they know that you know that they

1505
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 10: need to.

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01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Eric Tansey. I like you for a lot

1507
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 1: of reasons, And one of the reasons is I don't

1508
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,480
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys who own their own distilleries.

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01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Are Are you still in the run business?

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01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 10: Well, I ran out of time for the distilling business.

1511
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,760
Speaker 10: I had to let one thing go. I have five

1512
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 10: kids that are all homeschooled, so I did. I did

1513
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 10: get rid of the distillery. It was sad, but it

1514
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 10: was you know, I never planned on being a podcaster.

1515
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 10: I never planned on writing a book when I opened

1516
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 10: the distillary. I thought I was going to live my

1517
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 10: life out as a distiller. But I fell into podcasting

1518
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 10: by accident, and that sparked a book, and then that sparked,

1519
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 10: you know, now this journey of of of where I'm

1520
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 10: at now and and so yeah, one thing I have

1521
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 10: to give because you know, my family is very important

1522
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 10: and my son is my All three of my sons

1523
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,800
Speaker 10: are fully sponsored skateboarders and country Boy Skater has blown

1524
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 10: up on Instagram and has several viral videos and so

1525
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 10: you know, traveling with him and making content with my

1526
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 10: thirteen year old and my eleven year old is you know,

1527
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,719
Speaker 10: we just got back from Baltimore doing that. So yeah,

1528
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 10: something I had to give.

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01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Well that that's that's one of the great memories I

1530
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: have from the visit that had down there a few

1531
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: summers ago, was visiting the distillery that it was. It

1532
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: was an excellent product, and whoever took it over, I

1533
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: hope they're keeping up the same great work because it

1534
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Eric Tansey, best of luck to you with

1535
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 1: the book and all the other irons you have in

1536
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 1: the fire. I hope we get to hang out again

1537
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 1: sometime before too long, and thanks for the time today.

1538
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: The book is called pig Latin, a serious, funny true

1539
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 1: story of a former police officer. I'm guessing it's on

1540
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: Amazon and all places where you can get.

1541
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 10: Books every bookstore, Target, Costco, Hudson's Books, and million Amazon.

1542
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 10: The audiobook is incredible. It was a four time Grammy nominee.

1543
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 10: Travis Ton and Noel White, big giant producers in the industries.

1544
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:24,520
Speaker 8: They did a phenomenal just an insane job with the audiobook.

1545
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 8: I read it, but they had all the sounds and

1546
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 8: the music and the drama. None of it was generated

1547
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 8: by AI.

1548
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 2: All those voices.

1549
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 8: I had to do all of the voices for all

1550
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 8: the characters, and so the audiobook was just a faint

1551
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 8: a phenomenal production. And can't think those guys enough some Yeah,

1552
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 8: the audiobook is where it's at.

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: That is outstanding. Eric Tansey, thanks for the time. We

1554
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: got to run, but all the best to you. Keep

1555
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: up the great work and have a grete twenty twenty

1556
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 1: six to yours.

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01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 10: Thank you sir.

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01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, Eric Tansey. In the book

1559
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: is called pig Latin, and I'm not kid it's I'm

1560
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: about maybe a third of the way through because I

1561
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: just started reading it yesterday and it is a terrific read.

1562
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: Pig Latin, The seriously funny true story of a former

1563
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: police officer eleven twenty five Dan Carrollin for Scott's loan.

1564
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: No guests in the final half hour, So we've covered

1565
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: a lot of ground today. You want to talk about

1566
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: any of that stuff? Five one, three, seven, four nine,

1567
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: seven thousand, one, eight hundred The Big One, Big Dave,

1568
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 1: Let's open the phone lines at seven hundred WLW seven

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01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 1: hundred WLW eleven thirty seven. Dan Carrollin for scott Sloan.

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01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Five to one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, eight

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01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: hundred The Big One. If you want to get on board.

1572
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 1: A judge, a federal judge is blocking the Trump administration

1573
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: from freezing ten billion dollars in childcare. Federal judge temporarily

1574
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: blocking the administration cutting off more than ten billion dollars

1575
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: in the social services and childcare funding in Democrat led

1576
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: states over unt earns about fraud. New York District Judge

1577
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: Arun Subramanian, an appointee of President Joe Biden, issued a

1578
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: fourteen day temporary restraining order. This is in response to

1579
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: a lawsuit brought by attorneys general in California, Colorado, Illinois, Minnesota,

1580
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: and New York. The relief is preliminary in nature, designed

1581
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: to protect the status quo while playing this motion for

1582
01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:31,920
Speaker 1: a preliminary injunction is is being decided. Supermanian found that

1583
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: the Democrats led state showed good cause, arguing that a

1584
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: funding freeze would have immediate and devastating impacts. Really, you

1585
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 1: know what else has immediate and devastating impacts. Stealing money

1586
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: to the tune of almost nine billion dollars or maybe

1587
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: even more. I would say that has an immediate and

1588
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: devastating impact as well, pretty much to the people who

1589
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: spend that hoop, pay that money where that money comes from.

1590
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:08,800
Speaker 1: New York Attorney General Letitia James, who led the four

1591
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: states suing the Trump administration, is celebrating the legal victory.

1592
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: This decision is critical for families whose lives have been

1593
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 1: upended by this administration's cruelty. Really, so, it's cruel to

1594
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: send billions of dollars to these individuals who are defrauding

1595
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: the government and then saying, you know what, maybe we

1596
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: should stop doing that, maybe we should stop having all

1597
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: this fraud going on. But according to Letitia James, that's

1598
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 1: pretty cool or pretty cruel. I should say, we've got

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01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Eddie in Columbus, Eddie seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 11: Again to tell the job today buddy, appreciate it.

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01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for listening, Thanks for picking up the phone.

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01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 12: The shooting in Minneapolis that I think that's poor training

1603
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 12: for tactics for supervision.

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01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 3: But he'll be all right.

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01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 12: I think it'll be all right.

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01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:16,599
Speaker 3: There'll be some.

1607
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 12: Hoot and hollering, but we'll move on from that and

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01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 12: hopefully things will improve. Since NY City Council is making

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01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 12: a business decision with any settlements, they're known for this.

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01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 12: They they've been paying out settlements for decades and it's

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01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 12: a business decision. All they want to do is get

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01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,520
Speaker 12: re elected and prevent a riot.

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01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 3: I think they'd much rather.

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01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,599
Speaker 12: They don't mind burying cops.

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01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 3: I think they'd rather bury a cup and deal with

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01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:45,559
Speaker 3: a riot.

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Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope, I certainly hope that's not true.

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01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: But you got to to my way of thinking. You

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01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: got to look at these things on a case by

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01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: case basis, And in this particular case, when you're talking

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01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: about young mister Hinton eighteen years old, out boosting cars

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01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 1: with his buddies and they're hanging out in the parking lot,

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01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: police roll up, they all start running, he made the

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01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: decision to, uh, grab the gun and take it with him,

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01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: he dropped the gun, he made the decision to bend

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01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: down and pick it up. He made the move to

1627
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: turn that gun towards police and under the law, under

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01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: police training, all the rest of it, that's all the

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01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: cop needs. And yeah, it only took the split second,

1630
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: but when you do that, you take the consequences to

1631
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: come with it. And unfortunately, look, no one is happy

1632
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,479
Speaker 1: that this young man lost his life. No one is

1633
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: out there celebrating that. But we are also celebrating the

1634
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: fact that a Cincinnati police officer got to go home

1635
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: to his family. And if we have if we have,

1636
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: it certainly appears we can't. We don't have a city

1637
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: manager that wants to stand up for that, and I'm

1638
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: certainly hoping that we have a city council that wants

1639
01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: to stand up for that. To my if I'm on

1640
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: the city council and this comes before me, my position is,

1641
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: let's go to court if the family wants to to

1642
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: to sue, and I understand that there's a lesser burden

1643
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 1: to proof and all the rest of it. And I

1644
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,200
Speaker 1: don't care if if my law office is telling me

1645
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: this is not a good gamble. If you know what,

1646
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: if we go to court and we can't put on

1647
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: a defense to stop this settlement or stop a huge

1648
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: payment from going out, then we need maybe we need

1649
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: better lawyers argue in our case. That's that's the way

1650
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: it seems to me. It's all pretty cut and and look,

1651
01:34:40,439 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: we have a prosecutor. Think about this. We have a

1652
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: prosecutor here in Hamilton County who just last month reached

1653
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 1: in to death row and extracted a person from death

1654
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: row who had been on death row for almost thirty

1655
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,920
Speaker 1: years and said, you know what, I've looked at this case.

1656
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, a judge says, this guy gets a new trial.

1657
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: I've looked at this case and I've decided this guy

1658
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: is not guilty. That is the same prosecutor who looked

1659
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 1: at this case with this police officer and said everything

1660
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,640
Speaker 1: was done by the book. This police officer didn't do

1661
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: anything wrong. That to me is a pretty strong endorsement

1662
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 1: that what this cop did and God bless him. I mean,

1663
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 1: it's a terrible situation to be in. You never want

1664
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: to have. I don't think as a copper, as a

1665
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 1: human being, you want to pull the trigger and end

1666
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,520
Speaker 1: the life of an eighteen year old kid who's obviously

1667
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: making some bad choice, but that's the way it happened.

1668
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: That's the way it went down. He's got to deal

1669
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,000
Speaker 1: with that for the rest of his life. It's a

1670
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 1: terrible thing, but in the end it was justified according

1671
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: to this prosecutor. That to me is a pretty strong

1672
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: endorsement that we can take this thing to trial and

1673
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 1: let the ships fall where they may. Well, I agree

1674
01:35:59,120 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: with you.

1675
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 11: I was pleased at our prosecutor's decision, or your prosecutor's decision.

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01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 11: But again, City Council, they're operating on their you know,

1677
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 11: they operate on their own frequency. Man, they're way out

1678
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 11: there and they're looking at Okay, what's Irish Rowley telling us, Well,

1679
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 11: give them some money so I can keep them calm

1680
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 11: and not a riot. There'll be no riots, And I

1681
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 11: really believe that that's that's all they're worried about. Well,

1682
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 11: it reelected, which they just did. They just and man,

1683
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 11: let's face it, they accomplished that masterfully, soundly re elected.

1684
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,440
Speaker 11: So now the next thing is prevent riots.

1685
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,920
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we had a voter turnout of about

1686
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:48,639
Speaker 1: twenty seven eight percent, maybe less than that. So yeah,

1687
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: the people who vote in Cincinnati, did they vote for

1688
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,479
Speaker 1: this Yeah, did they vote for the crime that we have.

1689
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 1: Did they vote for a mayor who was going to

1690
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 1: increase taxes? Did they vote for the whole notion that

1691
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 1: we have a city manager that may most likely wrongfully

1692
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,320
Speaker 1: fired the fire chief and most likely is going to

1693
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 1: have to pay out a huge settlement. There, that we

1694
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 1: have a city manager who is letting our current police

1695
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: chief who is suspended twist in the wind. And there's

1696
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: word now that the law firm that they hired to

1697
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: investigate this hasn't been able to find anything on Teresa

1698
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: tig Now we have the specter of an eight point

1699
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: one million dollar settlement that's going to be paid to

1700
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: malcontents who came to the city of Cincinnati to riot

1701
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: and do damage and violate the curfew, that those people

1702
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: are going to get a ten, twelve, fifteen thousand dollars windfall.

1703
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: It just seems to me that voting for that same

1704
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,720
Speaker 1: sort of thing over and over again really is not

1705
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:54,720
Speaker 1: the best course of action.

1706
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 11: City council is going to pin the one thing they're

1707
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 11: going to find wrong with the former chief for the chief,

1708
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:08,280
Speaker 11: but who's on paid lead. They're gonna blame her for

1709
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:14,200
Speaker 11: not making improvements at that playground. Uh, they're gonna that's

1710
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 11: what They're gonna hang her hat on.

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01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: You watch, Okay, Well we'll see how that goes down, Eddie.

1712
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know how much how much control of

1713
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: the police chief has over installing cameras and lights of

1714
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 1: the playground. But Eddie, thank you very much for the call.

1715
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate that. Let's go to Chris and Cincinnati

1716
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: and Chris, you're on seven hundred WW.

1717
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 10: And how's going today.

1718
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm great, Chris, glad to be here and glad you

1719
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:38,839
Speaker 1: picked up the phone.

1720
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 8: Thanks well, thanks for taking my car.

1721
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,960
Speaker 7: Let's just I'm a question because I got to tell

1722
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 7: them a little bit.

1723
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 9: And I'm just wondering the difference. And I'm playing devil

1724
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 9: that kit.

1725
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 7: I'm not saying anyone's to blame, but looking at it

1726
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 7: and hearing a lot of opinions from yourself, the people

1727
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:01,439
Speaker 7: put personalities on radio and national news and what we

1728
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 7: have going on here. But what's the difference between the

1729
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 7: two instance, Minnesota and Cincinnati. What we're talking about, Uh,

1730
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 7: the officer put himself in front of that vehicle to

1731
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 7: stop it and decided excuse force up at Minnesota and

1732
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,720
Speaker 7: the officer appear in Cincinnati with mister Hinton should have

1733
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 7: been backing off because he was an undercover and put

1734
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 7: himself in that situation.

1735
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 1: Well, Chris, look, if you're you're trying to compare the

1736
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:41,880
Speaker 1: incident in Minnesota and the incident in Cincinnati that ended

1737
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 1: the life of miss a young mister Hinton eighteen years old,

1738
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: is that was that what I'm hearing? Is that what

1739
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to tell me?

1740
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,839
Speaker 7: I mean, we're talking if we weren't talking about Minnesota.

1741
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 7: I got in my car a little bit.

1742
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 1: Late, but it was just yeah, well I'm not I mean,

1743
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 1: I've talked about both things, but I I don't see

1744
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: how these two things are connected. And Chris, I'll thank

1745
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 1: you for the call. I don't see how these two

1746
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 1: things are connected. I think we have a situation in

1747
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: Minneapolis where you had ice officers who were in the

1748
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: street lawfully doing what they were supposed to be doing.

1749
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 1: You have an agitator who was out there in the street.

1750
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: The video shows that she was out there for several

1751
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: minutes beforehand, honking the horn, moving her car around, blocking

1752
01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: the procedure of ICE agents and federal agents to do

1753
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: their job, and it wound up with her. And to

1754
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 1: my way of thinking, it matters not if the police

1755
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 1: officer was in front of the car, behind the car,

1756
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: at side of the car, ten feet away, twenty feet away,

1757
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: six inches away. It doesn't matter. You drive your car.

1758
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 1: And I heard it on the news the bottom of

1759
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: the hour that she was turning away from police. Look

1760
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: at the video. Look at the video that that ice

1761
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: agent was struck by that car at that point. That

1762
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: car is a deadly weapon, pretty cut and dry. I

1763
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: don't know how that is related to and the point

1764
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 1: he was trying to make that somehow they're the same thing.

1765
01:41:23,120 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so. The the end result is the

1766
01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: same that police had to fire in their own self defense.

1767
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,600
Speaker 1: And look, I don't know if you've ever had a

1768
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 1: gun pointed at you in anger, but I have. And

1769
01:41:42,120 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: there's if if you have, you know exactly what I'm

1770
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 1: talking about that it brings when when you face that

1771
01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: threat of a loaded weapon being pointed at you, it

1772
01:41:54,880 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 1: brings things into clarity very quickly. There are a few things,

1773
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 1: if anything, in life, more sobering than that moment. So

1774
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: when you're a police officer and you're on the job

1775
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:13,280
Speaker 1: and you see someone turning towards you with that weapon

1776
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:17,680
Speaker 1: in your hand. You are justified to protect yourself and

1777
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 1: protect others. And trying to equate the situation in Minneapolis

1778
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: with the one in Cincinnati. I just don't make that connection.

1779
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,599
Speaker 1: Matthew and Preble County. Then we got ed in Coleraine,

1780
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 1: Matthew seven hundred WLW.

1781
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 13: Hey, Dan, real quick, you know from twenty thousand seeds,

1782
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 13: do you?

1783
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 9: I'm just hearing all this.

1784
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,280
Speaker 13: Stuff more on Cincinnati and the Minneapolis stuff. You know,

1785
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:45,759
Speaker 13: that's a whole different ballgame in my opinion, no comparison needed.

1786
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 13: But the camera is going up in Laurel Park down there.

1787
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 13: For one. Aren't parks closed at dark? Don't parkspose it

1788
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 13: at nighttime when the sun goes down normally?

1789
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,679
Speaker 1: So you know, mean the park is there. I don't

1790
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,600
Speaker 1: know that. I have not been by that park. I

1791
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: don't know if they're signage saying when the park is

1792
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,320
Speaker 1: open when it's not. And I mean, look these are

1793
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: this is an eleven year old kid. An eleven year

1794
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: old kid goes out and was it totally dark at

1795
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: that time? I don't know. I mean the time is changing.

1796
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I noticed the other night at at six o'clock at night,

1797
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,240
Speaker 1: it was still there was still some daylight out there,

1798
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: so was there some lingering daylight. I don't know about

1799
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: that particular night, that particular incident, but to have a

1800
01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 1: kid in a park at six o'clock at night doesn't

1801
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:38,960
Speaker 1: seem totally out of the realm of being unreasonable to me.

1802
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:43,920
Speaker 13: But putting lights up, that almost seems like it will

1803
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 13: facilitate parents letting more kids play later in the park

1804
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 13: because it's lit up, and they'll have a false sense

1805
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 13: of security because there's light.

1806
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the light lights and cameras. They don't

1807
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: necessarily provide a sense of security, but they provide an

1808
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: ability to if there's a perpetrator in an incident like this,

1809
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: to to track down that perpetrator and put that perpetrator

1810
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: behind bars. Now we have we have a whole other

1811
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 1: issue with that here in Cincinnati. As far as locking

1812
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,440
Speaker 1: up people who need to be locked up, we don't,

1813
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 1: we aren't. We are not doing a great job of

1814
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:18,560
Speaker 1: that at the present.

1815
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:21,200
Speaker 13: Time by putting the lights up, and same with the city,

1816
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 13: you know, with other things they're doing. It seems like

1817
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 13: they're treating the effect rather than treating the cause, which

1818
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 13: would be you know, miners and gun violence, so they're

1819
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 13: they're treating the effect and they're reactive rather than proactive,

1820
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,880
Speaker 13: which seems to be part of the course with the

1821
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 13: city manager.

1822
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, AFT tab Purval just said, look, we got

1823
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: to have a tax increase so we can we can't

1824
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: address crime, and we can address poverty, which, according to

1825
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: AFT tab Purvol, is the root cause of crime. And

1826
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: spending more money on poverty programs apparently an AFT tab

1827
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,800
Speaker 1: Purvol's mind is going to go a long way in

1828
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 1: addressing that issue. Let's get one more call in here

1829
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 1: before we call it a day and make way for

1830
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,240
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham coming up at noon. But we've got to

1831
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: ed in Coleraine, ED seven hundred WLW.

1832
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, how you doing?

1833
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:11,599
Speaker 1: But I'm good, Ed. What's up?

1834
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 9: Well, actually, I'm just on an off note. I think

1835
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:20,600
Speaker 9: all parks close at dusk, okay, when it's dark, they

1836
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 9: close at dusk. And I don't understand why the thing

1837
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 9: that happened in Minneapolis terriblesm may be they didn't listen

1838
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 9: to what the cops said. I mean, what happened to

1839
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 9: the days my parents raised me to do what the

1840
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 9: guy with a gun told me to do, and I'd

1841
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 9: live another day to figure it out. Where Where did

1842
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 9: that go? In the in this day and age? Where

1843
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:46,640
Speaker 9: did that go?

1844
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't understand it well that I think that's a

1845
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 1: I think that's ap.

1846
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 9: Everybody wants to take a cop to the task and

1847
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 9: he's just doing his damn job. If he says something

1848
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 9: to you, do what he is.

1849
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a major component of this. So there

1850
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: is clearly uh commands being made by these federal agents

1851
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: for her to stop the car and then get out

1852
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:13,080
Speaker 1: of the car, and there is there can be no

1853
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 1: question that she did not comply with those commands, and

1854
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 1: the failure to comply with those commands led to her

1855
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,639
Speaker 1: doing what back in the car, up putting the car

1856
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: in gear, stepping on the gas, and hitting a federal agent.

1857
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how muchimore cut and

1858
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: driving it needs to get. I don't know why you

1859
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, But she mean, I.

1860
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 9: Don't get all these things that go on. I just

1861
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 9: don't understand why where did the values go that a

1862
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 9: police officer is a person of power and you do

1863
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 9: what they say and then yeah, maybe you have to

1864
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,719
Speaker 9: go to court to get out of a ticket or whatever.

1865
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,320
Speaker 9: But I mean, my god, do you want to die

1866
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 9: or do you want to go to court a couple

1867
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:54,879
Speaker 9: of weeks.

1868
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a fairly simple.

1869
01:46:57,000 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 9: Concept can be. People can't be that stupid. It just

1870
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 9: amazes me they can't be.

1871
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,600
Speaker 1: You know. I used to fly around in a helicopter

1872
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 1: for Channel nine WCPO long time, and there were times

1873
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 1: when I would pull up and ed we got a run.

1874
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: But there were times when we would be over a

1875
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 1: situation where you had a police officer had a car

1876
01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: pulled over, and I would have the camera trained on

1877
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,200
Speaker 1: that in recording video just in case something went sideways.

1878
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:29,639
Speaker 1: But the vast majority of times people comply. They may

1879
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,719
Speaker 1: not be happy about it, but everyone leaves healthy and happy.

1880
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: And if you comply, there's a good chance, way of

1881
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: almost a chance, that's what's going to happen. I got

1882
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:43,080
Speaker 1: to get out of here, Dave, Thank you for everything.

1883
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham is up next on the Home of the

1884
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:47,440
Speaker 1: Reds seven hundred WLW