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Hi, Segmund, All, it's so good 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: to talk to you. I am really excited to breakdown. 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: It is a tough day though for Vikings fans here, 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: sig you know why, yes, well. 15 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: And it's funny because we can even take this back 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: to fantasy football because what people thought about Sam Donold 17 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 3: and the source of his success, it might have put 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: you on Justin Jefferson off of Jackson Smith's JIGBA. So 19 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: you know, these things are consequential. But you know, I 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 3: do think that the other side of this now for 21 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: Minnesota fans to watch is what's the Vikings next move 22 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: At quarterback, and how much of it is going to 23 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: be based on Kevin O'Connell and patience and how much 24 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: of it is going to be based on results in 25 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: a results based business. 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 2: Do you think the Vikings will roll into next year 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: week one starter, JJ McCarthy, based on what Now, there's 28 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: a million things. This is extremely early and there's a 29 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: non binding conversation. Sure, do you think JJ McCarthy is 30 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: going to roll over as the Vikings quarterback? Or do 31 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: you think they will have a legitimate a legitimate attempt 32 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: to challenge him with somebody else or maybe even just 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: a better backup. 34 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: They have to look at what Indianapolis did and the 35 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: success they were able to have by bringing in somebody 36 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: to legitimately challenge Anthony Richardson. So absolutely Mac Jones, a 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: trade for mac Jones should be in play here, and 38 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: otherwise I would be interested just who Kevin O'Connell has 39 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: his eye on, because as we keep talking about these guys, 40 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, Malik Willis is going to be 41 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: an interesting name in the off season to watch. Maybe 42 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 3: the hack Paul is that and this is going to 43 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: apply to JJ McCarthy perhaps in a few years that 44 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: the fans, the own owners have expectations that are too 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: high for young quarterbacks. They're not given a chance to 46 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: productively fail to update their software so they can become 47 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: the quarterback that everybody pictures. And then another coach, another 48 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: organization can come in Baker Mayfield's another one after the 49 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: hopes are over and actually see this player who also 50 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 3: is maturing, turn into the player we thought they could be. 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 2: You know, say, I hear that, and you have to 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: be really careful about when you cut the cord with 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: a quarterback, and especially when he's young. Young is JJ McCarthy. 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: But also the Steelers waited too long with Kenny Pickett, 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: the Jets waited too long with Zach Wilson, the Titans 56 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: waited too long and Will Levis. The Colts waited too 57 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 2: long on Anthony Richardson. Just sometimes your guy doesn't have it. 58 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: And I don't know that that's a guest with JJ McCarthy, 59 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: but sometimes your guy doesn't have it. And the forty 60 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: nine Ers moved on from Trey Lance quickly and got 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: to their next quarterback. The Arizona bailed on Josh Rose 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: right away, got to a better quarterback. This you know, 63 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: I I'm I feel like it's more rare that a 64 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: player turns it around downstream, and then it is that 65 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,119 Speaker 2: you end up over committing to a second or third 66 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: year on a player that has not has not been 67 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: good enough and doesn't end up getting and ultimately that 68 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: play doesn't end up getting better. I'm I'm nervous about that, 69 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: and I think history suggests that more often than not, 70 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: that player doesn't get better. 71 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: I think you're right, And maybe the twist that we 72 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: need here is organizations that are willing to sit a 73 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: first round quarterback for a year or more, put them 74 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 3: in the incubator, and then you know you're right. Players 75 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: like Rosen and Richardson and Zach Wilson. You put them 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: on the field right away and you can see right 77 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: away that they don't have it. But if they had 78 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: more time for the game to slow down, for them mentally, 79 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: to really underunderstand more about NFL defenses, to understand more 80 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: about the offenses that they're running, that maybe this isn't 81 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: the way it would go. But I think we can 82 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: agree that overall, you know, developing a young quarterback is 83 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 3: very difficult, and that you know that's why we take 84 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: your hats off to New England and Drake May and 85 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: what they've been able to do. And hopefully those stories 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: aren't the exception as we go forward. 87 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so as well. And we'll talk more 88 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: about JJ. I think a little later in this uh 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: in this in this hour, do you overall do you 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: want to just give me your assessment of JJ McCarthy. 91 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: And I don't expect you to have, you know, broken 92 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: down every pass, but you know, what did what did 93 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: you see in twenty twenty five from JJ McCarthy. 94 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: I saw somebody who was competitive. I don't think he 95 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: was scared. I don't think he was playing timid. Uh, 96 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 3: avoid mistakes and just take what the defense gives you. 97 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 3: And you would see sometimes in high leverage situations, you 98 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 3: would see the arm talent. You would see the ability 99 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: to make a play when the team needed it. But 100 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: sometimes I felt like his processor was going a little 101 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: bit too fast. It didn't seem like his processing was 102 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 3: rhythmic or in tune with the plays. It seems like 103 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 3: it was rushed. Again, sometimes we see quarterbacks that are 104 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: rushed because I think they're scared, because they are overwhelmed. 105 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the case, I think we have 106 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 3: to look back, and you mentioned Nancy Richardson again. I 107 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 3: think McCarthy being injured last year might have been more 108 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 3: pivotal when we realized in his development because he comes 109 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 3: in in his second year with expectations, but he hasn't 110 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 3: had a chance to get those productive reps to learn, 111 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: and now when he's getting those kinds of learning games, 112 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: it's seen as failure instead of a natural stepness progress. 113 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: Let's say Aaron Rodgers this offseason says something like what 114 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: he said last offseason, and he'd like to he'd like 115 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 2: to quarterback the Vikings. Your favorite team is the Steelers, 116 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: or at least I believe that's your favorite team. Is 117 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: am I am I stating that correctly. I mean this 118 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: is sort of your your legacy team. It's also your 119 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: favorite my part, Yes, the Steelers would. Should the Vikings 120 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: entertain Aaron Rodgers were he to be available and interested? 121 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: No, No, because look at the state of the franchises 122 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: that he has been in this last act of his career. 123 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: Look at what he's leaving in his wake. Even Denver. 124 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: Denver did not even trade for him, and he derailed 125 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: their franchise for a few years. So, you know, I 126 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: feel for Aaron Rodgers because I think his person journey 127 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 3: has been something that we can all take something away from. 128 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: And this year he did seem like he just wanted 129 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: to be a football player again. He just wanted to 130 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 3: be a quarterback again. And it was fun to watch 131 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: because he had an authentic personality, an authentic persona. He 132 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: was just a grumpy old man and it made him 133 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: immensely more likable. But I think we did, ye know. 134 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I think when we're putting Aaron Rodgers in, 135 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: we're holding on to something in the past that doesn't 136 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: exist anymore. 137 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: Tell me about the decision to hire Mike McCarthy, which 138 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm I don't like it personally, but you tell me, 139 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: you're a Steelers fan, Mike McCarthy's going to be your 140 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: next head coach, and this means, you know, if history 141 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: is any indication, he's going to be your head coach 142 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: for another I don't know, like fourteen years. 143 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 4: Yeah. 144 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well this was like the Scooby Doo meme where 145 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 3: you pull the mask off, you pull the Mike Tomlin 146 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: mask off, and it's really Art Rooney the second and 147 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: Omar Kahn where Steelers fans I think really lamented that 148 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: we had a team that played with spirit, we had 149 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: togetherness and unity, but we did not have a forward 150 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: looking organization. We did not have a team that was 151 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: willing to play the game within the game, and that 152 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: seemed like the limitations of Mike Tomlin, but it actually 153 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 3: is perhaps the organizational philosophy, sort of playing not to lose, 154 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: or just this is how we win football games if 155 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: you can stop us, and good on you. A twentieth 156 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: century view of the game of football, but it's the 157 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 3: whole organizations in the twentieth century because they basically decided 158 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 3: to replace Mike Tomlin with the offensive version of Mike Tomlin, 159 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: but also somebody that I don't think is going to 160 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 3: change anything about how the organization his run. And the 161 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: scariest part of the Steelers fan Paul is that they 162 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: brought in Anthony Weaver and Brian Flores for in person 163 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: interviews other than Mike McCarthy and to satisfy the Rooney rule, 164 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 3: and then they hired Mike McCarthy. There was no competition 165 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: for Mike McCarthy. How they ended up with Mike Tomlin 166 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: is they let. 167 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: The process play out. 168 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: They talked to all the candidates. They let themselves be 169 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 3: persuaded by what they felt and they decided to do 170 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: the exact opposite. In this process, they seemed like they 171 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: were set on Mike McCarthy from the beginning. If there's 172 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: one silver lining I can put out there for Steelers fans, 173 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: it's that, unlike Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy's coaches go on 174 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: to be head coaches there. He hires good coaches. Mike 175 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: Tomlin did not, and that probably was his downfall, at 176 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: least with the Steelers fans. So perhaps if Mike McCarthy 177 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: is just a figurehead, but he brings in good people 178 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: to run the offense and defense, maybe it'll end up 179 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: working out after all. 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: I love it. It's come to this for Steelers fans, 181 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: like my good friend Sigmua Bloom, Hopefully our head coach 182 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: is just a figurehead and doesn't actually have any bearing 183 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: on on on the on the team. Ah, it's come 184 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 2: to this unfortunately. All Right, last last Steelers thing I 185 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: want to I want to give you. I think Kenneth 186 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: Gainwell's really really good and he's going to be a 187 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 2: free agent. I think his next team is getting a 188 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: getting a gem player. I really like Kenneth Gainwell. I 189 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: thought I thought he had improved in his last year 190 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, and then I thought I thought he was 191 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: just just outstanding with the Steelers and in a split 192 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 2: time role. What did you think about Kenneth Gainwell. 193 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: Okay, this was a player. I mean, I will give 194 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers credit because I think Aaron Rodgers very early 195 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: on what was saying that Kenneth Gainwell is a player. 196 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: I think the Steelers can probably bring him back. 197 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 5: Now. 198 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: I don't know if Mike Palmlins stepping down would change 199 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 3: the equation here, because the one thing we heard from 200 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: all the players is they really felt loved that Mike 201 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: Tomlin loved them, and there was morning whenever he stepped down. 202 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: And I don't know how much Kenneth Gainwell's attached to that. 203 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: But this is going to be one of the most 204 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: robust running back free agent markets we've seen. I do 205 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 3: think you're going to see Kenneth Walker get a transition 206 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: tag or a franchise tag after Zack Starvin went down, 207 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: and then there's going to be Breeche Hall at the 208 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 3: top of the market. But actually that there's still a 209 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 3: lot of very good very useful running backs. In addition, 210 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 3: Travis Etn, Ricodowdell, Javonte Williams, JK. Dobbins. So Kenneth Gainwell 211 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: probably isn't going to get that big of a rays 212 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: And if they do bring back Aaron Rodgers to go 213 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: with Mike McCarthy, then that should be a big factor 214 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: in Gainwell coming back to the Steelers. 215 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 2: My good friend Sigmund Bloom joins us on Kfan I 216 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: recommend checking out on the Couch, his outstanding podcast, which 217 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 2: I've been fortunate enough to be a part of for 218 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: I don't know a decade or so. There are four 219 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: open coaching seats Arizona, Buffalo, Cleveland, Las Vegas with because 220 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: there were ten openings, it feels like they're kind of screwed. 221 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, off the border. Harbus Stefanski, Halfley Minter, McCarthy, 222 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: Robert Selah, they're all gone. These they're fighting over the 223 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: dregs and in some cases available coaches are refusing to 224 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: interview or backing out of potentially being candidates. I get 225 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: the feeling the Cardinals, Bills, Browns, and Raiders are in 226 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: and the Bills clearly the best out of the bunch. 227 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: But you get the feeling that these teams are scrambling 228 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: right now. 229 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right about Arizona and Cleveland. Insomuch 230 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: is I think a few things are changing with the 231 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: hiring and firing cycle, Paul. I think one is I 232 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: called it the transfer portal. It was like the transfer 233 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: portal this year because we saw the initial Black Friday 234 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: openings or Black Monday or whatever we call it. But 235 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 3: then you saw, well, oh is this guy if this 236 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: team is going to lose in the playoffs, now, this 237 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 3: coach is going to be available. Well, if this coach 238 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: is going to be available, now we decided, you know, 239 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel is an interesting name, right He was going 240 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: to be the head coach of the Dolphins, and then 241 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: a few days into the cycle he wasn't. So I 242 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: think you're seeing the math change for teams and it's 243 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: ripple effect on other teams. But also I do think 244 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: we're seeing coaches and Ben Johnson led the way here 245 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 3: realizing I should not just take the first job I 246 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: can get. I should pick my spot the same way 247 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: a free agent picks his spot for success. Now, the 248 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: counter example, Paul is New Orleans not having anybody hired 249 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: until late in the process last year, get Kellen Moore. 250 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: Everybody's saying, why would Kellen Moore take that job? It's 251 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: so unattractive. And now look at what they've done as 252 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: far as a turnaround in one year, and they're finally 253 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: getting out of cap Hell. So perhaps Arizona or Cleveland, 254 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: maybe they get a Clint Kubiak because they haven't gotten 255 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: anybody and they sneak in the tail end of the process. 256 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: So I think Buffalo is an interesting one because I 257 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: think Builds fans and Steelers fans are feeling similar and 258 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: wondering how much is this coach that we have been 259 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 3: blaming for being a few steps short of success actually 260 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 3: the load bearing wall, and if we let the other 261 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: people in the organization guide it, it can get worse. 262 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: Kellen Moore quietly was fantastic with the Saints this year. 263 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: You look at what they what they did, starting with 264 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler getting the trade deadline, ultimately trading Rashid Shaheed, 265 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: which I think was absolutely pivotal for the Seahawks, but 266 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: it also left them in a spot where they're starting 267 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: Kevin Austen and Mason Tipton at the end of the year, 268 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: and they ended up winning four of the last five 269 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: and almost five of the last five, and Tyler Shuck 270 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 2: to me, should win Rookie of the Year. It was 271 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: on a smaller sample size than say Ted McMillan, who 272 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: I think is the leader to win it. But what 273 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: Shunk was able to do with the lack of talent 274 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: around him to me, and winning games down the stretch, 275 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: to me was just was remarkable. And we don't I don't. 276 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: I feel like the Saints were just so far off 277 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: radar all season and especially after they started poorly, that 278 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: people didn't realize just how good the Saints had gotten 279 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: by the end of the year. 280 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: There's a lot of stories there because we should also 281 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: mention Brandon Staley. And let's remember the head coaches who 282 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: fail but are better as coordinators. Let's watch where some 283 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: of them end up. 284 00:16:59,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 5: Again. 285 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: McDaniel with the Chargers is going to be fascinating to watch, 286 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,479 Speaker 3: assuming he doesn't end up The Raiders head coach Chase 287 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 3: Young remember him. He started to look like an elite 288 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: pass rusher. They have Chris Olave. I'm sure you're going 289 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: to see him going into his fifth year. They'll sign 290 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: him to a long term contract. Devon Bailey was playing 291 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 3: very well, even though they gave up a third round 292 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 3: pick for him before he went down with the shoulder injury. 293 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 3: The offensive line is looking like it's set. Maybe they 294 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: need one more interior offensive lineman and they have Tyler Schuck. 295 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: That maybe the most interesting story because Paul, going into 296 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: the draft last year, the idea was we'll give any 297 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: quarterback seven years and they will all look like NFL prospects. Well, 298 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 3: maybe there's something there, Maybe we could see quarterbacks. What 299 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: I've suggested Paul is if I was advising a blue 300 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 3: chip prospect, I would say you almost put together a 301 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 3: quarterback development plan where you try to learn under say 302 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: three different coaches and three different systems while you're in college, 303 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 3: and milk that to get as many reps as you can. 304 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: Going back to the original discussion about young quarterbacks not 305 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: getting those reps and not being given the time to 306 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: develop use college. And then also I think there's been 307 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 3: a lot of talk out of New Orleans that Tyler 308 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 3: Shuck being twenty six, he was more mature, he was 309 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 3: more mature in meetings, he was more ready for that 310 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: leadership position. So I think there's something interesting to explore 311 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 3: here where nil and extra years of eligibility for players 312 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: in college may help solve the NFL's quarterback shortage. 313 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 2: Segmud Bloom, give me some of your first blush thoughts 314 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 2: on Patriots versus Seahawks that we'll be seeing in thirteen 315 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: days from now. Do you have an initial lean on 316 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 2: who you think wins this game, storylines that interest you 317 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 2: from the game, who you're excited to see Talk to 318 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: me about Patriots Seahawks coming up. 319 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that it's it's hard to pick against Seattle. 320 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: I think when we look at the teams on paper, 321 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: Seattle is clearly the superior team. And now you have 322 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 3: more balance in their offense with Kenneth Walker as a 323 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: lead back actually getting in a rhythm. I mean, Jack 324 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: Sharpenay was a good running back, but you wonder if 325 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 3: this is something they could have unlocked earlier. The one 326 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: thing that could benefit the Patriots is that we've heard 327 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: every game now that they're making smoke come out of 328 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: the ears of the opposing quarterback because of deception, because 329 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 3: they're showing one look. And this is Zach Kerr. One 330 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: of the most underreported stories, you know, Terrell Williams the 331 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: defensive coordinator for the Patriots, a diagnosed with prostate cancer, 332 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: not able to serve his duty. Zach Kerr was in 333 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: his first NFL position coach job. He was hired to 334 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 3: be the inside linebacker coach. He gets spent time with 335 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: Mike Brabele in Tennessee. He was foisted into this defensive 336 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: coordinator job, and he has been the main reason that 337 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: the Patriots have advanced without much friction because of how 338 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: good their defense has been. And that is something I 339 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: think that we could see. Remember the first game against 340 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 3: the Rams, Sam Donald through four interceptions, So if the 341 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 3: Patriots have something up their sleeve on defense to confuse 342 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: Sam Donald and then get him in a confidence spiral 343 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 3: where it's happening again, you know I'm making the plays. 344 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: I'm letting my team down. That is their angle, because 345 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: I don't think Drake May the way he's playing, is 346 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: going to have an answer for Seattle's pass rush because 347 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 3: Will Campbell has been a problem. I think Zach was 348 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 3: sacked five times or more at each of the first 349 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: two games. I think we would have seen a game 350 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: played in regular conditions, he probably would have been sacked 351 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: five times yesterday too, So I think that it's the 352 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: Pagets defense, not Drake may that could be the key 353 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 3: to their chances to win. 354 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: Patriots defense, their run defense. They quietly signed Milton Williams 355 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: this offseason. Milton Williams, their run stuffing defensive lineman, is 356 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: amazing in games. He played thirteen games this year leading 357 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: up to yesterday's game, and I have an updated my 358 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: stats on this. But what going into last week in 359 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: those games, they were giving up two point nine yards 360 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: per rush. With Milton Williams, he is he is such 361 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 2: a huge, huge part of that defense. Nobody can run 362 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: on the Patriots. And that's if you if you asked 363 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: me to find a way that the Patriots are three 364 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: and a half point underdogs in the Super Bowl, you 365 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 2: found a way to give them a real edge. I 366 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: think that's the edge is they take away the running 367 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 2: game and give themselves start to get seat a little 368 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: bit one dimensional. That might be a path for Patriots victory. 369 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: And Richard Barmore, we thought him make a big play yesterday. 370 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 3: You know he was sitting with blood clots last year, 371 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: so this is a big deal that now I think 372 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 3: he really has his legs back, so you have I 373 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: think the most athletic and talented defensive tackle, do you, 374 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 3: And you're right that's where it all starts. And they 375 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: should get Harold Landry back for the Super Bowl. So 376 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: that line up front is definitely Marcus Jones and Christian 377 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 3: Gonzalez are very talented players who can turn the game. 378 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: They're ball hawks. Jones in particular can take any ball 379 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: he gets in his hands. 380 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 4: To the house as a returner or as. 381 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: A defensive back. So I do think that again, you're 382 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 3: right the Patriots defense, those are the players that could 383 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: flip the game for them. 384 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: What did you think Sean Payton's decision to not take 385 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: the field goal when they were up seven to nothing 386 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: early in that game yesterday and they're at the Patriots 387 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: fourteen yard line, They've got the chips, the chip shotfield 388 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: goal that would have put them up ten. They end 389 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 2: up losing by three. So there's a little bit of 390 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: hindsight here. Tony Romo in the moment suggested that they 391 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 2: could have that they could have kicked here and maybe 392 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 2: should have kicked. What did you think about that decision? 393 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 2: And do you feel like Sean Payton deserves some criticism 394 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: for that or is that really just us is that 395 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: just hindsight. 396 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: He deserves criticism, but I do think that he had 397 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 3: the right mindset coming in going into the game. Yesterday, 398 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 3: Steve Wish and Jeff Duncan, who covered Sean Payton for 399 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: years here in New Orleans, talked about that Peyton was 400 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 3: going to have confidence in Jared Stidham, and Jeff Duncan 401 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 3: even said it might backfire, but he will take his shots. 402 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 3: And I believe when Sean Payton that Stiddy's got it. 403 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 3: There's a collective groan in the football world, but we 404 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: saw on that first drive he called the shot play. 405 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: Stidham put it out there for Marvin Mims. It electrified everything. 406 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 3: They put a seven nothing lead. Then he needed to 407 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 3: assess that his defense was going to allow him to 408 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: shell up and be conservative. And if he had just 409 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: put that second layer in the strategy, Let's come out 410 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 3: and surprise them by trusting my quarterback, open up a lead, 411 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 3: and then circle the wagons and protect that lead and 412 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 3: let the defense take over, then we'd be talking about 413 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 3: Jared Sidham starting the Super Bowl today. 414 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: Sega, it's been great catching up with you. Thanks so 415 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: much for coming on. It's it's always a pleasure well, 416 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: let's do a little book club next time we're on 417 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: the couch and let's talk through Percy Fawcett a little bit. Yeah. 418 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: Hey, absolutely, the aw season is the time for other 419 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 3: interests and I look forward anytime we get to talk. 420 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: You are the best you can follow A Sigmund Blow. 421 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: He is the co owner of Football Guys, Football Guys 422 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: dot com and the wonderful on the Couch podcast. Thank you, Sigmund, thankball. 423 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: When we come back, let's talk a little more super 424 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 2: Bowl and some JJ McCarthy odds and ends for the 425 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: full season. Really haven't had a chance to look back 426 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: at JJ McCarthy in a holistic way full season, yet 427 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: others on this station have. I'm not, and he's the 428 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 2: most important topic from the Minnesota Vikings. We'll talk about him, 429 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: talk about the Super Bowl between now and the top 430 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: of the hour. 431 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 4: Wild fans, this is your season. 432 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: You can experience the energy, the goals, the unforgettable moments 433 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: at Grand Casino Arena. To get your tickets now, Wild 434 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: dot com slash tickets to cheer on the Wild this season. 435 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: Wild dot Com slash tickets. Oh turn up this jazz 436 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: fusion right here. 437 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 4: Oh you love this. 438 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 2: Let's let's let's turn it up a little bit. Thank you. 439 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 4: Know what this city is called. 440 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: It's this is the definition of elevator music right here. 441 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 2: It's the definition of it the and I wonder if 442 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: it's AI generated or not. I it feels like it 443 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: because to me, that kind of that that what we 444 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: just heard feels soulless, like nobody rolls out of bed going. 445 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: You know what, I'm really excited to play sacks on 446 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 2: that song right there that only only a algorithm could 447 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: want to play that song. 448 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: You know, all these approved songs that we have have names. 449 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: This is cooking with jazz. 450 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 2: I'd let myself on fire first. Anyway, it's so bad. 451 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: Now I'm really torn on AI music. And here's what's happened. 452 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: One I was doing just like you know, YouTube recommends music. 453 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: You know, you play this song that you chose, and 454 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: it recommends other songs. It recommended a playlist of nineteen 455 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: sixties spy jazz, and I'm like, oo, that sounds like fun. 456 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 2: So I just turned the playlist on. I'm working during 457 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 2: the day. It's playing totally cool, chill sixties spy jazz. 458 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 2: I mean, it's exactly what you say it's great, it's 459 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 2: an hour long. And then there's no vocals. And then 460 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 2: I noticed the runtime is like exactly one hour, Like 461 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 2: wait a minute, and I'm trying to find out who 462 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: actually is the artist and there's no artist listed, and like, 463 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: wait a minute, I've been duped. I've been listening to AI. 464 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: I've been listening to AI nineteen sixties spy jazz. That's 465 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: I did not know I was listening to AI, and 466 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: I liked it. I was enjoying it. I felt very conflicted, 467 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: and I still do because I want to believe in 468 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,920 Speaker 2: the purity of the human experience and us creating our 469 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 2: own music that we like artists creating music for people. 470 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, maybe that's all 471 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 2: just it's all pollyannish, And at the end of the 472 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: day we're going to be fed almost nothing but AI content, 473 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: video content, audio content. When you know, the day's not 474 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: far off Brett, where you're going to fire up Netflix 475 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: and it is simply going to create a brand new 476 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: show for you in that moment based on everything else 477 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: you've ever watched, and go, you know, we know all 478 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 2: about you, we know exactly what you like, we know 479 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: what you don't like the shows you've bailed on, and 480 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 2: we're going to create a brand new show on the 481 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 2: fly right now, the moment you ask for it. That's 482 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: coming that I kind of want to see what's on 483 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: the other side of that, just to see what would 484 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean. 485 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't condone it, but I kind of want to 486 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: see what that show would look like? 487 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: Does it even if it's good? 488 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 4: Think about it. 489 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: If it's good, yeah, yeah, what if it's great and 490 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: it's perfectly suited for you. I that's coming and the 491 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: music's gonna happen that way too. Spotify right now is 492 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: does have AI music on it. I listened to some 493 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 2: country song that I don't remember the name of, but 494 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: it was uh. I couldn't It was indistinguishable. I could 495 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: not tell that I was listening to AI. And maybe 496 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: people at know country better than I do would have 497 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: been able to pick it out. I could, I could 498 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: not tell, and it was a It's a good song. 499 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: I enjoyed the song. So this thing is I am. 500 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: I'm torn on it now, but I think in the 501 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 2: long run, we're not gonna have a choice. We're just 502 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: it's all gonna be AI. And there's still gonna be 503 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 2: humans behind it and human prompts behind it for now, 504 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: but in time those will go away as well. 505 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: Well, we're not we're not doing a Video Games Weekly 506 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: segment today, but that's a big topic in that sphere 507 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: as well, because one game that I play a ton 508 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: Arc Raiders has AI generated voice lines for if you, 509 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: you know, ping a building over there, or ping an enemy, 510 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: and your your character will go, there's an enemy over 511 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: there by the rocks, and it's all, yeah, it's all 512 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: it's it's human based. But then it goes into AI 513 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: for the specific type stuff, and they've gotten a lot 514 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: of blowback and a lot of angry response from that, 515 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: from how dare you take work away from voice actors? 516 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: So and it's like, well, you said the voice actors. Okay, 517 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 2: you're right, that is absolutely bread. But why is it 518 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: always the voice actors people? You're everybody is coding with AI. 519 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: Everybody is. You can't not create a virtually, you can't 520 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: create a product without using AI to help the coding process. 521 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: Nobody seems to mind that. Why is it always the 522 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: voice actors that get this deferental treatment in the video 523 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: game industry where people are boycotting games because some portion 524 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 2: of the voices were a were AI generated, But it's 525 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: okay that one third of the code was AI generator. 526 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 4: Or any of the environments are procedurally generated. 527 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: You know. That's it. 528 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 1: That's It's just part of advancement and technology as far 529 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. 530 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's all good. Well, I 531 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: have not landed on a full opinion on this, but 532 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: the reality is, at least with music, it sounds good 533 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: and I enjoy it, so at the end of the day, 534 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: I'm probably going to consume it because it sounds good. 535 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: I suspect that it's that's going to be. It's music 536 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 2: for first, because that's easiest. It'll be video later, I believe. 537 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: And it could be that, Brett, you become an influencer, 538 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 2: a taste maker that you end up creating and prompting 539 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: awesome videos that people love, and you start creating AI 540 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: content that is genuinely good, and people start following you 541 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: so that we can watch what you're having AI create 542 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: for you. 543 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 4: If there's a revenue involved, I'm interested in. 544 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: Sure, could be a scummy way to do it, but 545 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: with a little bit stuff, yeah. 546 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 2: A little bit. Let's talk super Bowl. We haven't done 547 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: that yet. Patriots. Seahawks. The line three and a half. Seahawks. No, 548 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: that's not right. The line is do I do not 549 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: see the lines? I thought I had the line in 550 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: front of Help me out here. I've got the line 551 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: at four and a half to the Seahawks. Bar and 552 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 2: app Seahawks. Thank you very much, so foreign act Seahawks. 553 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: Seahawks feel it feels like the Patriots haven't sort of 554 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: paid their dues yet, right that this is all so fast, 555 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: and they have, you know, young players at critical positions, 556 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 2: especially Drake May. Seahawks have this really really well rounded 557 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 2: team almost without any deficiency. There's you're looking at one 558 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: of the best run defenses in the NFL. When you 559 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: talk about talk about the Seahawks. As I take a 560 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: look right now, they finished third in rush defense by yardage. 561 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 2: This is one of the best pass defenses in football. 562 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: They're extremely good at getting pressure on opposing quarterbacks. And 563 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: then the Seahawks can do it with their base package 564 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: and they're back end players. Their secondary is good. Nick 565 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: the rookie nick Emon Warri who might win Defensive Player 566 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 2: of the Year. The way was Nicky man Worry available 567 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: for the Vikings where we picked in the first round. Man, 568 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: if he isn't going to be really bummed out, that's 569 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember what the sequencing was on that 570 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: their safety. He's really good and we talked a lot 571 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 2: about him as somebody that we were interested in going 572 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: into the Vikings pick in the draft. Ultimately that pick 573 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 2: was Donovan Jackson, and Vikings needed help there too. By 574 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: the way, I don't think there's a way they were 575 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: going to get Donovan Jackson and Nick and Wuri, but 576 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,959 Speaker 2: Emon Worri went pick thirty five to the Seahawks, and man, 577 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 2: he looks he looks fantastic. But that Seahawks secondary, you know, 578 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 2: not just him, but Devon Witherspoon is one of the 579 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: best slot cornerbacks in the league. Josh Job is good. 580 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 2: This is a it's it just feels like the Seahawks 581 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 2: have just they check every box. There's just not a weakness. 582 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: They're running great with Ken Walker, They've got obviously Jackson 583 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 2: Smith and Jig Boots who led the NFL in receiving yards. 584 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 2: Rashid Shaheed has opened up this offense in a much 585 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: needed way. We talked about it at the outset of 586 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: the show Cooper Cup. It's there is it just it 587 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 2: feels like the Seahawks. 588 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't you know, I don't want to like Team 589 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: of Destiny, but there's just not obvious ways you go 590 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: well this, I you go beat the Seahawks. I it's 591 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: it is going to be really a huge, huge challenge. 592 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: I think more than a four and a half point 593 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: challenge for the Patriots. But there is there are some 594 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: there are some. There's a few angles for the Patriots. 595 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned one with Sigmul Bloom just a few minutes ago. 596 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: Awesome run defense. 597 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: If you can get the Seahawks, they can squash Kenneth 598 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 2: Walker and get the Seahawks in a pass only mode. 599 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: Any teams vulnerable at that point. When we come back 600 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 2: final segment, JJ McCarthy as I want to just do 601 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 2: a quick just some quick thoughts on the how just 602 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 2: how incredibly important this decision coming up on JJ McCarthy is, 603 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: and a little historic data to go along with it. 604 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 2: As we start looking ahead with the vikings Sam Darnold 605 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 2: headed the Super Bowl. You got to play the hand 606 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: that we've got and that includes obviously JJ McCarthy and 607 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: what to do with him when we come back final segment. 608 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 2: Paul Charchian in Today. 609 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: The Fan, welcome some great shows to Grant because you 610 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: know arena this year, Rascal Flats will be there January, 611 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: Eric Church February seventh, Take us on sale now he's 612 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: put details on upcoming shows KFA dot Com Key Recount. 613 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 2: Final segment, nine to noon, Common Man looming, I presume 614 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: and by looming, if it's common, that means he's probably 615 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 2: somewhere near four ninety four and one hundred right now. 616 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: That's what I'm gonna say. That's what he's doing. 617 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Free Show and Abbot's Office one of the two that 618 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: is possible. 619 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: That is very possible. As a matter of fact, Yeah, 620 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 2: we can. We can go with that. The key area 621 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: of frustration around JJ McCarthy to me is less about 622 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy, but the fact that we got to the 623 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: end of this season without a definitive sense of what 624 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 2: we have in JJ McCarthy. Goal number one going into 625 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 2: the season for the Vikings organizationally was to win games, 626 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: make the playoffs. Goal number two is to have a 627 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 2: more definitive answer on JJ McCarthy, and we don't quite 628 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: know enough yet clearly not good enough to be a 629 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 2: lock to be the future, but also not quite bad 630 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 2: enough where you can say, we've got to find a 631 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: pivot in the off season, put him back on the 632 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 2: bench and wait and see what we've got in a 633 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: year or two down the road. In JJ McCarthy, which 634 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 2: is a luxury the team has. You know, he's under contract, 635 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 2: rookie deal. You could absolutely go that way. This was 636 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: a Vikings team that, as one of the oldest teams 637 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 2: in the league, was the oldest with the oldest starters 638 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: in the league. He's needed to win now and JJ 639 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 2: was not able to do that, so we rolled into 640 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 2: the offseason with a lot of questions around JJ. Almost 641 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: every team that finds itself in this position with a 642 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 2: highly drafted quarterback who struggles in his first year and 643 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 2: I know it was technically his second year, but let's 644 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 2: just go with first year, first year starting, almost all 645 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 2: of them will bring back that player to their detriment, 646 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 2: and that decision costs jobs. Coaches get fired, gms get replaced, 647 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,760 Speaker 2: and that's the irony for the general managers. They think 648 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 2: their best chance of survival job survival is to prove 649 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 2: themselves right with the original struggling quarterback. But I think 650 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 2: the clearer path historically has proven to be cut bait, 651 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: and I'm not necessarily advocating that for JJ McCarthy, but 652 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 2: let's look at it. Anthony Richardson picked forth overall that 653 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,919 Speaker 2: has proven to be a bad pick. He started many 654 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 2: games through two years when he was healthy enough to start, 655 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 2: and then got dramatically outplayed by Daniel Jones, who was 656 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 2: so much more effective in largely the same offense. Will 657 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: Levis was picked thirty third by the Tennessee Titans. He 658 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 2: ended the tenure of Mike Rabel. They brought him back 659 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 2: the next year, made him the starter, ended Brion Callahan's 660 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 2: coaching two. I mean, the Tennessee ownership blamed Mike Rabel 661 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 2: more than they blamed themselves for drafting will Levis so dumb. 662 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett drafted twentieth by the Pittsburgh Steelers. They tried 663 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 2: him for two full years and those were just lost seasons. 664 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 2: Years of lives gone, Kenny Pickett. Zach Wilson drafted second 665 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 2: by the Jets. He was given three seasons as the 666 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,360 Speaker 2: starter despite showing nothing, and they went through different coaches. 667 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 2: None of those teams that I just mentioned, the Colts, 668 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 2: the Titans, the Steelers, the Jets. They haven't won a 669 00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: single playoff game since they drafted those quarterbacks. And it's 670 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 2: because you teams are so reticent to acknowledge the possibility 671 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 2: that they made a mistake. Meanwhile, contrast that to the 672 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 2: forty nine ers. They made a huge blunder with Trey Lance. 673 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 2: They moved up in the draft, they paid overpaid a 674 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 2: bunch to go get him. They figured out fast that 675 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 2: Trey Lance was not on the developmental timeline that they 676 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 2: were going to have. And maybe Trey Lance will and 677 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 2: Trey Lance actually moments where looked pretty good this year. 678 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 2: Maybe the forty nine ers are going to figure out. 679 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 2: Forty nine ers figured out quickly Trey Lance wasn't their guy, 680 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 2: and they moved on. Then ultimately they found their guy. 681 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 2: Arizona bailed on Josh Rosen right away. That was the 682 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 2: right choice. There are examples where it has worked where 683 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 2: it just you show stubborn patients. Josh Allen turned it 684 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 2: around after a very bad first year. Sam Darnold needed 685 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 2: seven years to turn it around. And we're not even 686 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 2: talking about that about guys in year two and year 687 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 2: three here. But the reality is overwhelmingly the quarterbacks who 688 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 2: struggle at the level that JJ McCarthy did early in 689 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: their career are very rarely salvageable. Quasy's an analytics guy. 690 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 2: Historical data here shows that cling to the hope that 691 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 2: your highly drafted quarterback is going to pan out after 692 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 2: as tough a year as the one JJ McCarthy had 693 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 2: is more likely to fail and more likely to cost 694 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:40,839 Speaker 2: Quaysy's job than to find other solutions at quarterback, which 695 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 2: is never easy to do, as outlined earlier in the show, 696 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 2: and I went through the litany of the awful quarterbacks 697 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 2: before Kirk for twenty years that we were subjected to 698 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 2: getting the quarterback position is very right, is very very difficult. 699 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. Maybe you know, maybe it's all going to 700 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 2: come together. We're all clinging to hope that age, he's 701 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 2: going to get better. With age, the mechanics will get better, 702 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 2: the touch will get better, the poise will get better, 703 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 2: the accuracy will get better. Man, I know we had 704 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 2: some good throws, and he did have he had some 705 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 2: stellar throws, but on balance, it was this was not 706 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,000 Speaker 2: a season for JJ McCarthy that should lead people to 707 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 2: say we're going to We're gonna just roll back McCarthy. 708 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 2: No matter what, we are not going to bring in 709 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 2: anybody to compete with him or as in the case 710 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 2: this year, perhaps not even have functional backups that can 711 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 2: walk in. And we aren't even talking yet about maybe 712 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 2: the leads storyline with JJ. The kids can't stay healthy, 713 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 2: then what do we have four different injuries this year? 714 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 2: He played in ten games, didn't finish ten games. I 715 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 2: think he finished eight half a season after missing the 716 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 2: entire your first year, there's got to be a better 717 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 2: backup plan than Carson wentz Off his seventh. 718 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 5: Seven years or whatever it was. Max Frosmer, Grett Rippin. 719 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 5: There's can't stand Pat, can't stand Pat, and that JJ 720 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 5: McCarthy pans out. This team has yet to find Pruven 721 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 5: has yet to get to the proven franchise quarterback, and 722 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 5: as we have talked many times nine to Noon over 723 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 5: the years, stood drafting quarterback. 724 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 2: Until you have your franchise quarterback. That is my opinion. 725 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 2: After one season McCarty starts Brett Blake Moore. Thank you 726 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 2: for all your help today, very much appreciate it. Thank 727 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 2: you for everybody who listened, Thank you for tuning in 728 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,400 Speaker 2: common Man and Brandon Maleski coming. 729 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 4: Up Next podcast Today's Paul Allen Show. 730 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 2: Listen back to previous show and interviews by going to 731 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app or kfan dot com