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Speaker 2: Three KFI AM six forty Bill Handle here. It is
Speaker 2: a momentous Monday. That's the way we should call Monday's
Speaker 2: momentous Mondays, because that's what they seem to be lately.
Speaker 2: October thirteenth and the big news, and we're watching this
Speaker 2: in real time. First of all, the hostages several hours ago,
Speaker 2: all twenty hostages were released, the ones that we're still alive. Now,
Speaker 2: the bodies, the remains of the ones still held by
Speaker 2: Hamas who are deceased. They figured it out twenty eight
Speaker 2: of those those will be coming over, but obviously concentrate
Speaker 2: on the.
Speaker 1: Ones that were alive and they now are back on
Speaker 1: Israeli soil. The President.
Speaker 2: Is in Israel. He flew out to celebrate that. He
Speaker 2: also spoke in front of the Kanesset a little while
Speaker 2: ago and rightly took credit for it. He was introduced
Speaker 2: by the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as the greatest president
Speaker 2: that ever lived. Without his help, that is, without President
Speaker 2: Trump's help, this probably this would not have happened.
Speaker 1: And he's right.
Speaker 2: The President was able to pull all of this together
Speaker 2: because he's Donald Trump. He's Donald Trump, who happens to
Speaker 2: be president. No other president, I think would do this,
Speaker 2: because no other president would literally look at Hamas and say,
Speaker 2: you don't come to the table, you're gonna be blown
Speaker 2: to smithereens and we're going to help Israel do it.
Speaker 2: That wouldn't happen. Joe Biden would never have had that happen.
Speaker 2: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, the George Bushes. Never this president did.
Speaker 2: And Hamas had to come to the table. So what's
Speaker 2: happening is the president then spoke I don't know. He
Speaker 2: was on for half an hour maybe up at the
Speaker 2: stand at the Dayas in front of the Kanesset, which
Speaker 2: is their parliament, and he had the teleprompters there, and
Speaker 2: boy did he go off script. I mean, he came
Speaker 2: up with stories about Steve Witkoff, who is the senior negotiator,
Speaker 2: and what Steve did and his background and just and
Speaker 2: stories talked about Jared Kushner, his son in law, who
Speaker 2: was instrumental all this, and how Ivonka converted to Judaism,
Speaker 2: and just talked about the seven forty seven that he
Speaker 2: bought for the United States from Cutter, and I mean
Speaker 2: it just was all over the place, and he's the
Speaker 2: one that was able to pull it off. Come on, well,
Speaker 2: typical Donald Trump. I mean, you talk about off script, okay,
Speaker 2: And that's the only thing at this point that I
Speaker 2: can really, I think, talk about a negative way about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, because underneath it all, this guy made it happen. Now,
Speaker 2: as I said earlier, I'm going to talk about that
Speaker 2: in the next segment.
Speaker 1: Is how did this happen?
Speaker 2: Why did it take seven hundred and thirty six days?
Speaker 2: What did Israel do? And this is not being talked
Speaker 2: a whole lot about. Is that Hamas basically shot itself
Speaker 2: in the foot, in both feet, and the way where
Speaker 2: it guessed this guest where it would all go, and
Speaker 2: how they completely blew it. And I'll try to set
Speaker 2: up some timeline and dive into a little bit. In
Speaker 2: the meantime, the president right now is on Air Force one,
Speaker 2: having left Tel Aviv maybe half an hour ago. He
Speaker 2: will be landing in Cairo. It's a one hour flight
Speaker 2: from Tel Aviv to Cairo, and he will I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine what the hoopla is going to be as
Speaker 2: he lands at Cairo International Airport and will be feted
Speaker 2: like you can't believe because he is obviously he is
Speaker 2: the hero here. There are twenty world leaders that are
Speaker 2: in Cairo, and is a peace summit that is being convened,
Speaker 2: and talk about what's going to happen in Gaza. Now
Speaker 2: that the war is over and the hostage is part
Speaker 2: of it. That's been done. Now comes the hard part,
Speaker 2: and what is the hard part? Who is going to
Speaker 2: govern Gaza and the West Bank? Because Israel's putting all
Speaker 2: that together under a new Palestinian authority, actually an international
Speaker 2: authority that's going to govern Gaza such until such time
Speaker 2: that that can govern itself, which as far as Israel
Speaker 2: is concerned with this government, the Israeli government will mean
Speaker 2: the Ever, then you have will Hamas disarm itself? Will
Speaker 2: it cease to be will it cease to become a
Speaker 2: political force? Will the party because it's a political party
Speaker 2: as well the terrorist group as well as a governing group,
Speaker 2: so it hits all of those points in Gaza.
Speaker 1: Will it disarm? Will it dismember itself? Will it do
Speaker 1: any of that?
Speaker 2: Well, what's happening now, just getting reports that Hamas is
Speaker 2: jumping right into those areas that Israel has relinquished Israel
Speaker 2: has and this is part of the ceasefire, is that
Speaker 2: Israel has released about I would say sixty percent of
Speaker 2: Gaza to Hamas, which is still in charge. So if
Speaker 2: you look at Israel, imagine the entire eastern part of Israel,
Speaker 2: all of that eastern part of Gaza, all of that
Speaker 2: is in Israeli hands. Gaza City is not Eunice, is
Speaker 2: not the big city in the south that was at
Speaker 2: the point of a lot of this fighting and a
Speaker 2: lot of humanitarian aid not coming in. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a lot going on there, but Israel, pursu into the agreement,
Speaker 2: still controls a lot of Gaza. Hamas now and these
Speaker 2: are the reports are now is now going around and
Speaker 2: executing people who they view were Israeli operatives or somehow
Speaker 2: we're traders to the Palestinian cause in Gaza and Hamas
Speaker 2: at this point looks like it's filling the void very
Speaker 2: very quickly. And frankly, I don't think Israel cares. You know,
Speaker 2: this is going to become an internal issue. All Israel
Speaker 2: cares about is the threat that Hamas is to Israel.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to take a break and come
Speaker 2: back because I want to dive into a little bit
Speaker 2: and there's some underlying reasons and where Hamas blew it completely.
Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about the terrorist attack because
Speaker 2: that worked for them. It happened exactly the way it
Speaker 2: wanted to happen. As a matter of fact, there are
Speaker 2: some new documents that have just come up that show
Speaker 2: how successful that terrorist attack is per the plans and
Speaker 2: per the hopes of Camas. But also how mann did
Speaker 2: they screw the pooch on a political, international, geopolitical military matter.
Speaker 2: Now I want to talk a little bit about how
Speaker 2: all this came to be. One of them is the President,
Speaker 2: of course, effectively telling Camas this either happens, it happens now,
Speaker 2: or I'm going to let Israel just go right at
Speaker 2: it and I'm going to give Israel all the arms
Speaker 2: it needs to effectively wipe you out. It came pretty
Speaker 2: close to it anyway, and also telling Natanyahu, who was
Speaker 2: insisting we are not going to sit down with them
Speaker 2: until they have agreed that there will be no more Hamas,
Speaker 2: that they willed disarm, that was written in stone, and
Speaker 2: the President told Natanyahu that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And if we can't.
Speaker 2: Get these deel cut you're not going to see American
Speaker 2: arms anymore. Okay, both sides now come to the table.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about some of the facts we know,
Speaker 2: because as I said.
Speaker 1: This is not just Israel winning.
Speaker 2: This was Hamas losing, shooting itself in the foot, in
Speaker 2: the head, in the stomach. We have just heard, and
Speaker 2: this just came out a few days ago, that there
Speaker 2: were documents that were picked up by Israeli intelligence in
Speaker 2: the military written by Yaya Sinwar, who had been released
Speaker 2: from Israeli prison after twenty years during one of these
Speaker 2: prisoner exchanges, and he had written given instructions to the
Speaker 2: terrorists to go into Israel during that October seventh attack,
Speaker 2: to kill as many children, to burn as many buildings
Speaker 2: as possible, not only kill Israeli soldiers who were there,
Speaker 2: but also as many civilians as possible. And he did
Speaker 2: it not just because he hated and we're talking about
Speaker 2: it's not just him who wrote this. These were instructions
Speaker 2: being given by the hierarchy. And it's not just because
Speaker 2: they hated Israelis and don't believe in Israel being any
Speaker 2: kind of a sovereign country.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't exist at all.
Speaker 2: But they took the political tack, because here's what they assumed,
Speaker 2: and this was part and parcel. They assumed that once
Speaker 2: this attack happened, the entire Arab world would join Hamas
Speaker 2: in trying to destroy Israel.
Speaker 1: It's right there in the documents.
Speaker 2: The Arab world will understand that this is a fight
Speaker 2: for freedom and they will join us. And they knew
Speaker 2: they had the backing of his Blah. They knew they
Speaker 2: had the backing of Iran. They knew they had the
Speaker 2: backing of the various Isis and al Kaieda offshoots in Iraq.
Speaker 2: And they knew that Israel is this one loan country
Speaker 2: and if the United States weren't there, it wouldn't even exist.
Speaker 2: And they thought that the whole world, the Arab world,
Speaker 2: was going to be on their side. They missed it completely,
Speaker 2: of course they did. First of all, Hesbelah was wiped
Speaker 2: out by the Israelis. They just attacked His attacked South
Speaker 2: Lesbionon and Hesbelah is no longer a force. The attack
Speaker 2: on Iran, you had Israel straight out attack Iran, sending missiles,
Speaker 2: which had never happened before. And then the United States,
Speaker 2: this is where Trump came in and bombed facilities, nuclear facilities,
Speaker 2: and so Iran now doesn't have anywhere near the power
Speaker 2: that it has. So you have the two major allies
Speaker 2: of Hamas have just basically disappeared.
Speaker 1: They have devolved.
Speaker 2: So Hamas is now on its own for the most part,
Speaker 2: and the whole world as much as they hate Israel
Speaker 2: for what it has and is doing, or not anymore
Speaker 2: to the Palestinians, and there's a lot of hatred, and
Speaker 2: there should be a lot of hatred because while I
Speaker 2: don't believe the word genocide is appropriate, I do believe
Speaker 2: war crimes are appropriate and describing what Israel did. The
Speaker 2: problem is Hamas missed the boat because as much as
Speaker 2: the entire world, particularly the Arab world, looked at Israel
Speaker 2: as the enemy or at least gave lip service to
Speaker 2: the Palestinians, they hate Hamas as much as anybody does.
Speaker 2: The Arab countries do not want a Hamas controlling Gaza
Speaker 2: or any part of the Mid East.
Speaker 1: There are a bunch of terear Risks.
Speaker 2: They know it, and all of a sudden they as
Speaker 2: Hamas turns to them and says, please, you want to
Speaker 2: help us, you want to be on our side. Look
Speaker 2: what we did this magnificent thing that we did in
Speaker 2: attacking the Israelis on October seventh.
Speaker 1: They Hamas just missed it completely and so the.
Speaker 2: Guests, and it's the only way you can talk about this.
Speaker 2: The guess was wrong. Hamas didn't have a chance, I
Speaker 2: don't think after October seventh and what it did. And
Speaker 2: then keeping the hostages, that's the other really dumb thing.
Speaker 2: I can see the logic of taking the hostages. Obviously
Speaker 2: I disagree, I mean we all disagree. And the humanitarian
Speaker 2: issue involved in taking civilian hostages and killing civilians because
Speaker 2: they are Jewish, because they were Israeli, I can understand.
Speaker 2: They're crazy ass logic. What I don't understand is treating
Speaker 2: the hostages the way they did, starving the hostages, keeping
Speaker 2: them in cages, doing some horrific things. In one case,
Speaker 2: this was discussed over the news over the weekend. In
Speaker 2: one case, they took on a group of hostages were
Speaker 2: released pursuing to a couple of the ceasefires, and they
Speaker 2: took a group of them and turned over to the
Speaker 2: Red Cross, keeping one to see his fellow Israelis being freed,
Speaker 2: and then drove him back to the cage. In the tunnel,
Speaker 2: just the sheer in humanity of it. So underneath it
Speaker 2: all Hamas. They blew every single chance they had. They
Speaker 2: were never gonna win, but they made sure they lost.
Speaker 2: And as we speak right now, I'm looking at a
Speaker 2: love I've picture Air Force one is it has parked,
Speaker 2: the doors opened. There are probably I don't know the
Speaker 2: boya a dozen black suburbans that are out there and
Speaker 2: waiting for the President to come down the stairs of
Speaker 2: Air Force one at Cairo where the summit will start,
Speaker 2: the Gaza Summit will start.
Speaker 1: And look at all those planes lined up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are for all world leaders that have come in.
Speaker 1: And nobody brings a little plane. No, they've all got
Speaker 1: bigg Well did you notice did you notice the Sea five?
Speaker 2: As matter of fact, they're driving right towards it right now,
Speaker 2: the big Sea five or the Galaxy with the smaller
Speaker 2: I think it's a seven to sixty seven. Also US
Speaker 2: Air Force Air Force one when the play president flies
Speaker 2: because the United States of America on it, the same
Speaker 2: the same paint scheme that's on the other ones. And
Speaker 2: this so whenever a president travels, as you can imagine,
Speaker 2: it's especially in this case, a whole lot of people
Speaker 2: travel with him, and there's enough for rom On air
Speaker 2: Force one. So here comes the other airplayed in this case,
Speaker 2: I think it was the seven to sixty seven filled
Speaker 2: with I don't even say reporters. I think reporters are
Speaker 2: on their own that one. Those would just be officials
Speaker 2: and people accompanying the president. This is one big, big deal,
Speaker 2: and the president will be the star of this, there's.
Speaker 1: No question about it, and deserves to be.
Speaker 2: They just have to keep them off this speech making
Speaker 2: for forty minutes at a time. Oh, also there is
Speaker 2: there were a couple of private seven forty sevens there
Speaker 2: that you could see. They didn't have the markings of
Speaker 2: an airline. There's some pretty rich people there in the
Speaker 2: Arab world all right Now on the other side of
Speaker 2: the coin is what's happening on this side of the
Speaker 2: world is the government shut down. It's going on three
Speaker 2: weeks now, started his third week, and it's no end
Speaker 2: in sight. The government shutdown now collides with the US economy.
Speaker 2: Miss paychecks Wednesday are the first miss paychecks, and billions
Speaker 2: of dollars of government services are going to disappear, and
Speaker 2: millions of workers are going to be affected, not just
Speaker 2: in government, but those who supply government. Because even if
Speaker 2: you have a company that sells to the government, for example,
Speaker 2: let's say janitorial services or copiers or whatever. I mean,
Speaker 2: the government obviously just make its own copiers. It buys
Speaker 2: it from the local copier store. Well, all of those
Speaker 2: payments stop. There ain't no money until the until Congress
Speaker 2: votes itself the ability to keep running the government.
Speaker 1: So where is where's this line? Why aren't they even agreeing?
Speaker 2: Because now when we talk about the disparity between the
Speaker 2: Republicans the Democrats, this is about as clear a ligne as.
Speaker 1: You can come to.
Speaker 2: And it's real simple with the Republicans want in the
Speaker 2: middle of all this, just give us a continuing resolution
Speaker 2: while we're figuring this out, while we're figuring out the budget,
Speaker 2: while we're figuring out the cuts if you want to
Speaker 2: call them cuts, and I'll explain that in a minute,
Speaker 2: to Medicaid and Obamacare subsidies. Let's just keep the government
Speaker 2: running with a continuing resolution, which just kicks the can
Speaker 2: down the road. And continuing resolutions happen more often than not.
Speaker 2: There is no deal that has come to the table
Speaker 2: where Democrats and Republicans can't agree, and so they pass
Speaker 2: a continuing resolution saying, Okay, we keep everything copasetic, we
Speaker 2: don't add any programs.
Speaker 1: It's called a clean bill.
Speaker 2: A continuing resolution is completely clean bill means it does
Speaker 2: there's nothing but just continue the government the way it's
Speaker 2: been going while we talk.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, that's completely logical.
Speaker 2: So why are the Democrats not going with this because
Speaker 2: they always have. Now let's move to the United States,
Speaker 2: and the pain of this governmental shutdown is hitting on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: day after tomorrow, the first checks don't arrive to government workers,
Speaker 2: and so this shutdown is colliding with the US economy.
Speaker 2: The miss paychecks, billions of dollars of government services which
Speaker 2: will not be given or will not be paid for,
Speaker 2: are hitting. And the president and the lawmakers in Congress
Speaker 2: are completely deadlocked. The Republicans and the Democrats are deadlocked.
Speaker 2: Why well, because the argument is that the Democrats are
Speaker 2: a little bit upset about is the president's priorities? And
Speaker 2: if the president, well, whatever the president's priorities are, the
Speaker 2: Republican parties and the Republican legislature, the Senate and the House,
Speaker 2: they are whatever the President says, they follow along. I mean,
Speaker 2: you talk about lap dogs. So the Democrats obviously fight that.
Speaker 2: And this has to do and here's where they're both
Speaker 2: right and wrong. This has to do with the cuts,
Speaker 2: Medicaid expansion, and the Obama Care subsidies for people who
Speaker 2: heretofore couldn't afford insurance. Several million people were put on
Speaker 2: the roster of Obamacare that weren't prior to COVID. So
Speaker 2: COVID comes in and the government says, okay, we are
Speaker 2: going to expand Medicaid and we're going to expand the
Speaker 2: subsidies for Obamacare so more people can be covered. This
Speaker 2: was temporary. This sunsets this year. And here is the problem.
Speaker 2: There really is no such thing as sun setting when
Speaker 2: you talk about a governmental program.
Speaker 1: And here's the analogy.
Speaker 2: All right, COVID hits or some massive problem occurs at work,
Speaker 2: and you are given a temporary raise for six months
Speaker 2: or two years, and you're told this is only good
Speaker 2: for two years. So two years pass, and then your
Speaker 2: boss says, okay, we're gonna go back to the previous
Speaker 2: pay level. You go, wait a minute, I get this,
Speaker 2: and you can't ask me.
Speaker 1: To go back.
Speaker 2: Well, it's exactly what I'm asking you to do is
Speaker 2: to go back. So you have the Democrats effectively saying
Speaker 2: these are cuts that the Republicans are cutting these programs.
Speaker 1: They're not.
Speaker 2: What they're doing is not extending the cuts that took place.
Speaker 1: They're allowing the sun.
Speaker 2: Setting cuts, the sun setting, sun setting, the sun I mean,
Speaker 2: get this right, I'm so good with words. The sun
Speaker 2: setting subsidies. He's Peter Piper picked a peck. The sun
Speaker 2: setting tanks you very much, subsidies to sunset. And the
Speaker 2: Democrats are saying absolutely not so, because they're saying people
Speaker 2: are going to be uninsured. Millions of Americans are going
Speaker 2: to be uninsured. They're not going to have the government
Speaker 2: support for medical care that they have now.
Speaker 1: And the Republicans are saying, hey, it.
Speaker 2: Was temporary, and it's a question of philosophy, and it's
Speaker 2: a question of what priorities are the existing government. The
Speaker 2: priority is immigration defense. The Democrats are we've got to
Speaker 2: get people insured, we have to have governmental programs that
Speaker 2: help people. The Republicans think helping people in the United
Speaker 2: States is a matter of defense, ensuring our borders and
Speaker 2: social programs are not as important.
Speaker 1: It's philosophy.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that being said, they are at a standstill
Speaker 2: because the Democrats are saying, noe, we're drawing. The red
Speaker 2: line is right here, right now, and we are not
Speaker 2: going to vote for that continuing resolution to keep the
Speaker 2: government alive for even a month while negotiations take place,
Speaker 2: because the Democrats rightly so, are saying the Republicans will
Speaker 2: never cave to this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: And they won't.
Speaker 2: I mean, look what the Trump administration did with DOGE,
Speaker 2: and look what they're doing with programs all over the country.
Speaker 2: Look what RFK is doing with the CDC. Look what
Speaker 2: is happening Department of Transportation. They are cutting, cutting, cuting, cutting,
Speaker 2: cutting much less keeping programs alive that have been sunseted.
Speaker 2: And they said, we're done, We're done. And so there
Speaker 2: is the fight. Is there going to be some end
Speaker 2: to this?
Speaker 1: Yes? A couple of other things.
Speaker 2: Is the well the President ordered the Pentagon to repurpose
Speaker 2: research and development money to be able to make payroll
Speaker 2: for members of the military. The military doesn't get paid.
Speaker 2: They still have to be there, they don't get paid.
Speaker 2: Millions of workers still have to go to work and
Speaker 2: not get paid. Air traffic controllers can you imagine this,
Speaker 2: have to work and not get a paycheck, and so
Speaker 2: what do you do. Well, a lot of them call
Speaker 2: in sick, they just had it. And then the argument is, okay,
Speaker 2: so we'll get back pay. We always have that's been
Speaker 2: that's just been the pattern of what we do when
Speaker 2: their government shut downs. Well, the president is saying not
Speaker 2: this time. You're not going to get back pay to
Speaker 2: large segments of the workforce. Military will of course, how
Speaker 2: does he say no to the military. And on top
Speaker 2: of that, he has four thousand already workers who are
Speaker 2: not working, have been furloughed, fired, and you're not going
Speaker 2: to see back pay.
Speaker 1: Now. That gets interesting with the back pay.
Speaker 2: Business because even though it was policy to give back
Speaker 2: pay to workers during a shutdown, after the last massive shutdown,
Speaker 2: the Congress passed a law saying it is illegal not
Speaker 2: to pay furloughed employees or those who are not are
Speaker 2: off the books but still have to work. And the
Speaker 2: president and the White House is saying, we ain't going.
Speaker 1: To pay now. The law says that the government must
Speaker 1: pay back pay.
Speaker 2: And you know when that was signed, it was during
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's first term.
Speaker 1: He signed it, he said, he signed the bill that
Speaker 1: said there must be back pay.
Speaker 2: And now he's saying there Isn't you go, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: it's the law that you oh signed, there's your signature
Speaker 2: right on that law.
Speaker 1: Nope.
Speaker 2: Ah. The joys of this administration is when the laws
Speaker 2: on your side, the laws on your side, When the
Speaker 2: laws not on your side, the laws on your side.
Speaker 1: All right, We're done with that.
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