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Speaker 2: I mean now he covers the Steelers for Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 2: Now always a pleasure to talk to Alan Saunders. Alan,

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Speaker 2: how can the Steelers get their running game going again?

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Speaker 2: Is that even a big concern to them? And how

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a concern to them always. It's sort

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a big concern tonight because Miami

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Speaker 1: four point eight yards to carry against. With their defense,

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Speaker 1: they play a lot of Cover two, so they really

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Speaker 1: they have a light box. They're they're not gonna let

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Speaker 1: the Steelers do what they did last week, which was

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Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Running is the only alternative? Really?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I totally agree. I think they give up

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Speaker 1: It could be, It could be. It could be Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 1: I will say this second half of the Baltimore game,

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Speaker 1: Cook is still going to be in there at left tackle.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's nearly as good as a run

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Speaker 2: I will say this though, I don't think the Steelers

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Speaker 2: have been noticeably worse at left tackle, and that's going

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Speaker 4: Another four string. I guess you got to give credit.

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Speaker 2: Maybe to Washington playing maybe, but I think more so

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Speaker 1: I think Samalo has played his best ball these last

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Speaker 1: I think people have been down on him because of

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Speaker 1: the lack of development of Broader Jones. But on the

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Speaker 1: flip side of that, they had to play Ryan McCollum

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Speaker 4: Has the Washington experiment worked.

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Speaker 2: I think it's taken Mouth and John Who out of

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Speaker 1: I think John Who's part of the arrangement has been

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Speaker 2: How much is the absence of wat hurt, not least

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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest drop off her Big is

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Speaker 2: We're talking to Alan Saunders of Pittsburgh Steelers now Here

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Speaker 2: on the Mark Madden Show.

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Speaker 4: It seems like the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Need to shut down Miami's run game with the A train,

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Speaker 2: and they got good backups too, and put the game

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Speaker 1: Well, Well, nobody's been able to do it the last

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Speaker 1: four weeks against the Dolphins, that's for sure. I kind

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Speaker 1: of think the Steelers can do that. We saw him

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Speaker 2: The Miami defense has been real good lately. What's been

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Speaker 1: They make you be effective and efficient down the field.

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Speaker 1: You can run on them. They don't have overwhelming personnel

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Speaker 2: How much influence does Rogers have on this offense, not

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Speaker 4: How much conflict there is there.

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Speaker 1: I don't see a lot of conflict between Smith and Rogers.

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Speaker 1: So it makes sense to have other guys out there

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Speaker 2: I've been asking this question for a couple of weeks alan,

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Speaker 2: has it been worth it bringing Rodgers to Pittsburgh is

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're achieving much, but I look at

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Speaker 2: This year, the deep balls came out at Baltimore almost

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Speaker 4: Uh who is the better coach?

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Speaker 2: I find Tom Win grotesquely overrated. I find McDaniel kind

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Speaker 2: of quaintly underrated. He's like crucified for being an analytics geek.

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Speaker 2: But I look at how he's made this team better.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a point earlier this year where

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Speaker 4: I think he was nearly certain as well, Allan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that not only were the results not there,

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Speaker 4: How big is this game?

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Speaker 2: Like, I know Miami has to win to stay mathematically

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Speaker 1: especially when you can prevent it just by taking care

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Speaker 2: No question. Alan, thank you so much for the input.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the game tonight.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mark.

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Speaker 2: That's Alan Saunders. Check out his work at Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Now get your calls in about any of that, because

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Speaker 2: it's calls on the fifteens. We got Phil Board talking

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Speaker 2: It's the Mark Madden showing one ZHO five nine. I've

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Speaker 4: Watt. I think it's very likely he sues the Steelers over.

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Speaker 2: This dry needling that collapses laun You look at JJ

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in just a little bit, but

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Speaker 2: let's go to Kevin and Carnegie.

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Speaker 4: Kevin, you're all with Mark.

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Speaker 3: What up? Super g.

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Speaker 5: This might be trivial, but third period yesterday or in

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Speaker 5: three three right, damn use challenges. They clearly passed the

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Speaker 5: puss is clearly passed Mershav before any contact was initiated.

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Speaker 5: What do you do in challenging that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me play Devil's advocate. If it were up

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Speaker 2: a stupid move. I don't think the puck was clearly

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Speaker 2: past Morrishov. I think there was some contact right as

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Speaker 2: But at that point are at that point, I can't

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Speaker 2: say it's a bad move because if you get the call,

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Speaker 2: you stave off something terrible happening, which is them time

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Speaker 2: the game in so little time after the third period

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Speaker 4: I know what you mean.

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Speaker 2: Though they conceded a power play in uts scored on

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it was a hopeless challenge.

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Speaker 5: Hopeless maybe not, but you got away to pros and

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Speaker 5: after you know, just the air was just sucked out

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest if that, no matter how that

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Speaker 2: it failed. Me let up a power play goal the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: As soon as that goal went in, heck, as soon

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Speaker 2: it was three to one, I was in the press

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Speaker 2: In fact, rob between periods and I should have got

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Nick Oulchik, Edzo's kid, who's an

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Speaker 2: announcer for Utah, talking to Matt McConnell. He was in

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Speaker 2: and I told Nick, I go, Nick, go back on

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Speaker 2: because they are.

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Speaker 4: It just feels so rotten. And I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 4: The bigger the lead entering the third, the more scared

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Speaker 4: I am.

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Speaker 5: I agree your sweet about the tension in the building.

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Speaker 5: It could have been rung more true.

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Speaker 4: So no question, thank you for the call. I see

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Speaker 4: you shiver with anticipm.

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Speaker 3: Patient.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Chuck in Florida. Chuck your own with Mark.

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Speaker 3: What man? What up? Chuck?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 6: So both games Saturday and Sunday, I left my house

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Speaker 6: when it was five to one and I got to

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Speaker 6: five five five, And then I left Yesterday it was

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Speaker 6: a streen up and it was four three when I

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Speaker 6: and that guy were just talking. I think I got

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Speaker 6: up most of what happened, But what was the breakdown?

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Speaker 5: What what happened?

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Speaker 4: They just shot and scored.

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Speaker 1: End.

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Speaker 4: Oh story. The Penguins just can't hold a lead.

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Speaker 2: They get like, even before the other team starts to push,

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Speaker 2: they get squeaky bum you know what I mean. It's

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure that's going to change anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: I can top that story, Chuck. By the way, and

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Speaker 2: when they blew that lead to Anaheim. When Anaheim squirre

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Speaker 2: own goal. Okay, When I got on the elevator to

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Speaker 4: Want to go to the locker room first.

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Speaker 2: When I got on the elevator, there were nine seconds

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the freak happened?

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Speaker 4: Why are they lining up?

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Speaker 1: But there you go with the immaculate reception.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't quite compare it to that but it

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: Niner Phil Bork on one oh five nine. Penguin fans,

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Speaker 2: we are living in interesting times joining me now. He

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to talk to the old two niner,

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Speaker 2: Phil Bork. Borky, how did the Penguin stuff choking? Forgive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good afternoon, Doublem. Good to be on with you.

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Speaker 3: It really is good to be on with you, because

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Speaker 3: we are the penguinees, right. We do not do anything

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Speaker 3: like anybody else in the league. We have incredible highs,

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Speaker 3: but we's all also had incredible lows. And you and

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Speaker 3: I have both witnessed a lot of it, right, and

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Speaker 3: we're kind of in one of those moments right now.

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Speaker 3: Now whether it's this five game homestand or the way

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Speaker 3: the Penguins are losing games. And to get to your question,

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Speaker 3: I think it has to come player to player. I

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Speaker 3: think that Dan Muse has probably said everything that he

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Speaker 3: NHL players. He's here the coach motivated players, so the

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Speaker 3: motivation parts shouldn't be there. But the mindset and the

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Speaker 3: confidence seems to be waning whenever that first goal goes in,

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Speaker 3: when they do so many incredible things, and that's why,

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Speaker 3: as much as it's just so much negativity surrounding the Penguins,

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Speaker 3: of all the good things they've done to get these leads.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, at the end of the day, you've

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Speaker 3: you've also lost five straight. If you go back to

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Speaker 3: Number two, it's it's you know, the leaders challenging each

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time analyzing the goaltending's role in

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Speaker 4: I look at yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I thought Marishoff played a great first forty minutes, and

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Speaker 2: but he's still allot four goals in seven minutes. And

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're out there by yourself and

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Speaker 4: That's just too many goals against You got to.

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Speaker 3: And I'm with you too, I mean, even with she lost,

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Speaker 3: to yourself, and you know, you lose some respect in

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Speaker 3: the room. But I think that you know, whether it's

439
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 3: she lost Marischav or Skinner in the net, I think

440
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: at the end of the day that you can say

441
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 3: he could have had or should have had this one.

442
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I still think

443
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 3: the guys in front of him going to play a

444
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 3: lot better in that type of situational hockey.

445
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Speaker 2: Is Dan muse culpable in this? I mean I wouldn't

446
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: fire him, but like there's some decisions he's made that

447
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,159
Speaker 2: that had been set well with me, like using Tanger

448
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 2: and Carlson together righty, righty in key situations, and then

449
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: I think he's relying too much in the old guys

450
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: San Jose came back using their kids.

451
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Speaker 4: I'd have had my kids out there defending.

452
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I cautioned myself, and I'm with you too, Mark.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying that what you're saying doesn't

454
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Speaker 3: hold water, but I think he is. I think he's

455
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 3: blamed himself, probably more than anybody else.

456
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Speaker 4: No question. No, you can see that after the game.

457
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can. You can tell this this hurts

458
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: him to the core. And you could see the little

459
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: bit of bloodshot eyes too, And you know he's not

460
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: sleeping good at night because he's he's probably done everything

461
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,479
Speaker 3: he's ever done in the past, and it's worked to

462
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 3: fix anything close to this, And you could tell he

463
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: just can't believe he was sitting there yesterday twenty four

464
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 3: hours after the San Jose game, but he was, and

465
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: so everybody's looking at him because he's the general, right,

466
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 3: That's what you're paid for, is to fix these types

467
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,239
Speaker 3: of problems. So again, you know, maybe it's sitting down,

468
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: sitting with sitting and saying, you know, listen, I need

469
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: you to go in there. I need whoever is that

470
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: voice in the room, because you don't need me anymore.

471
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: I've said everything, I've shown you video over and over

472
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: and over again. You gotta start challenging each other in

473
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 3: that room. But I think I like that he said,

474
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: it's on me. It's on me to be better as

475
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: a head coach. It's on me to fix this. That's

476
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Speaker 3: what you want to hear from your leader.

477
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Speaker 4: I mentioned the kids a moment ago. I can't blame

478
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Speaker 4: the kids.

479
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: I think McGroarty and kindall have picked it up a

480
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: lot the past couple of games, and now they're starting

481
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: to score, which had been lacking. I kind of smirked

482
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: when a lot of people said that they were the

483
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: Penguin's best line, but for a while they never scored.

484
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it, but you gotta score.

485
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: I'll disagree with you a little bit. And the reason

486
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: being is I think that the first Billy Covens game

487
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 3: is dropped off.

488
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 2: No, no, he's one of the three that I yeah,

489
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: I can't defend.

490
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's let's put that on on the back shelf. Okay,

491
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: if we agree with that, that Billy coven has got

492
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: to be better. I love the breakaway goal, the confidence

493
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: by Ben Kendall, and you're right, Ben Kndles been really,

494
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 3: really good. It's it's tough to knock him at all.

495
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: But I look at those two games where Rutgor Mcrody

496
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: was out there and lost his man. You know, once

497
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: in the Santos A game on I think it was

498
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: the fourth goal the game, or maybe the fifth goal

499
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: one the one or two, he just completely lost his man.

500
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: And then even in the last game, when Nate Schmid

501
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: came down the left wing, he completely lost him. You know,

502
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: those are those are huge moments in the game. The

503
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: last one, it's yeah, that and the last one you

504
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: cannot everybody had probably pretty much a man on man situation,

505
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 3: and the one breakdown was retor loss. Smith coming in

506
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: from the left point position. It cannot happen. Considering you

507
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: have to rust as a smart kid. He had to

508
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: realize read the room. We've had breakdowns before, We've had

509
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: shortcomings before, we've blown leads before, and you don't want

510
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: to be that guy, and he was that guy. It

511
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 3: can't happen again. And he'll figure it out. I mean,

512
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: he'll hopefully he's better for it. And sometimes you got

513
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: to learn that way, the real hard way. We you know,

514
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: it's not just the tip of your finger touches the stove.

515
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: The whole hand has to touch it sometimes for you

516
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: to really feel the burn. And Rutger's smart guy, and

517
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: hopefully it won't happen again. But those are the little

518
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: things that happens to the Penguins right now that can't happen.

519
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: They can't be individual breakdowns. And you know, listen, it's easy.

520
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: There is a breakdown. They wind up in our net

521
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: without exception.

522
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 1: I know.

523
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: But here here, let me finish my thought, mark, and

524
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you kind of the old player in

525
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: me a little bit, okay, if you allow me that

526
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: I was in these moments and the one thing that

527
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 3: went through my brain is don't be the guy that

528
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: lets your team in down. I always, at the end

529
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 3: of the game, I wanted to be able to look

530
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: my teammates in the eye and say, I gave you

531
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 3: everything I had and I made sure I had my

532
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: guy in those key situations. And if you take that

533
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: kind of responsibility, you know, and I never wanted to

534
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: like have to look at Mario in the eye and say,

535
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 3: you know, think I let him down in one of

536
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 3: those situations. So as you kind of all take down

537
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: upon yourself that you don't want to let the guys

538
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: sitting down sitting next to you let him down. You

539
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 3: want to be able to look him in the eye

540
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 3: at the end of the game and feel like you've

541
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: got the best of me tonight. And I don't think

542
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: enough guys can say that.

543
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 2: We're talking to Phil Boork here on the X in

544
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: that vain BORKI A lot of fans are blaming Eric

545
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: Carlson in particular Chris Latang and want to you know,

546
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: bench him, shoot him, trade him, whatever.

547
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 4: I just feel like they both got to play better.

548
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 2: Nobody who put in there in their place is gonna

549
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: do better. Like no offense to Jack Say and Ivany,

550
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: but He's just not those just guys just got to

551
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: play better and they got to play tighter. They they

552
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: don't understand it's not ten years ago. They're not that

553
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: player anymore, especially Chris.

554
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the first thing I would say, and

555
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: I'd say in a very respectful way, because they deserve

556
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: the respect that all they've done. And I know it's

557
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: all about the now and and you know what have

558
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: you done for me lately? But Crystal Tang has to

559
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: stop being on the ice for goals against and and

560
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: he has to be able to stop the two on

561
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: one pass, passes through him, passes around him. It's got

562
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: to stop. Enough is enough. He's too good of a defenseman.

563
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: Stop being on the ice for important goals against. You're

564
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: you're a leader. You'res just as important as this team

565
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 3: as Sidney Crosby. So many players on this team look

566
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: up to you. Your head coach completely has your ass,

567
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: and when you're not playing your best. Dan Muse completely

568
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: went to bat the other day when some people very

569
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: poignantly put him on the hot seat about Crystal Tang's play.

570
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: Stop being on the ice for so many goals against

571
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: and for Eric Carlson. He's been significantly better, so good

572
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: this year. But also don't do the old one step forward,

573
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: two steps back. You know, we do one really good thing,

574
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: but then two things that cost your team and the

575
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: puck ends up in the net. So tomorrow night against Edmonton,

576
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 3: for Kryst Lokang and Eric Carlson, see if you can

577
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 3: go a whole game without being on the ice for

578
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: a goal against, that would be a really good start,

579
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: as well as all the other great things you do,

580
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: because you are a leader on this team. And not

581
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: only do the fans look at you two as well

582
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: as Sid and Rusty and all the other leaders and Raquel,

583
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: all those other leaders, but specifically those two because they're

584
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: supposed to be our two best defensemen and they're just

585
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 3: on the ice for too many goals against.

586
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: Is this a playoff team?

587
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean, how would you handle it if you're Dubis,

588
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: you know, making roster decisions. I mean, we're not anywhere

589
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: close to the trade Dan, you know what I mean?

590
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know what you mean, and I just

591
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: don't think. I know that the things are starting to

592
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: unravel here a little bit after eight two and two,

593
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: and I think it's actually a day in October. We're

594
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: at number one in the league, and we're all like

595
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: getting with excited, like oh man, what's going you know?

596
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: But then you go four, five and three in October

597
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: and now you've come down to earth a little bit

598
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: more and you're on the outside looking in right now.

599
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: But I still I still look at the way this

600
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: team is designed and and you know, I know injuries

601
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 3: have played a role here, and you are noticing without

602
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 3: it's Kenny Malkin in there, there is a dip in

603
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: that two C and as well as Gino's been playing.

604
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: But if you're asking me to kind of put the

605
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: GM hat on just for about ten seconds, I'm still

606
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: going for it. I'm still looking every single day, who

607
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: can I bring in, who can I how can I

608
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: make this team better? Because I still believe that this team,

609
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: if they can resemble anything like we saw in October,

610
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: and why not they can just all of a sudden

611
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: forget how to play and they're doing a one to eighty.

612
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: They got to get back to playing that way and

613
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: playing that stingy defensive hockey and turning defense into into

614
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: offense and keeping the puck out of your net and

615
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,959
Speaker 3: playing as a five man unit. All those things they

616
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: did in October. It's kind of gone by the wayside.

617
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: They got to get back to that. And I do

618
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 3: believe they're a playoff team. And I don't think anybody

619
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: in the Eastern Conference wants to play the Penns in

620
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: the first round that they get there.

621
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that, but I will say I

622
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: would operate into the something that can make the playoffs.

623
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 4: But there's an expiration date on it.

624
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: You can't throw good after bad, you know, after a

625
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: certain point.

626
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough.

627
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: Now, what's your take on Edmonton because they've you know,

628
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: not been great right now they have one six out

629
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: of ten.

630
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: But I watch them on TV.

631
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: They're they're looking like a team with a double post

632
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup Final loss hangover. So I wonder where they're at,

633
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: how much jar is gonna help? And frankly, right now,

634
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: where McDavid's at, although he's been hot.

635
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: Lately, Yeah, I mean, it's still McDavid in dry style

636
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: right then there's a big drop off after that on

637
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, you have Ryan Husen Hopkins and you have himman,

638
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: You've got other guys can put the puck on the net,

639
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: but it's it's a two headed monster. And if you

640
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: can shut those two down and really isolate those two

641
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: and dare the other guys to beat you. I like

642
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: your chances. It's gonna be really fun. It's gonna be interesting.

643
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: Now all the talent on the ice tomorrow night. You

644
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: know Sid versus McDavid. You got dry Style going for

645
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: his one thousandth point. You got Sid hunting down, you know,

646
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: Mario for all time nine points. And then on top

647
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: of that, you got I think that that Stuart Skinner's

648
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 3: going to be in goal. I think he's he's been

649
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: cleared to customs and immigration. And then you get Jari

650
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 3: versus Stuart Skinner. I'll tell you what, man, it's you.

651
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 3: If you're just looking at one game to go to,

652
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: that's the one to go to Tomorrow night. Because there's

653
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: just so many storylines.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the big story is Sid's gonna catch

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Speaker 2: Mario for career points. He's just two points away. I

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Speaker 2: kind of feel that that's being underplayed a bit, not

657
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Speaker 2: least locally, because that's a huge deal.

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Speaker 4: You got.

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Speaker 2: You got the two greatest players in franchise history, two

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Speaker 2: of the greatest five players in hockey history, and they're

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Speaker 2: very nearly tied in points with one passing the other.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me flip it. If if McDavid

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Speaker 3: starts to catch Gretzky in points, do you think it

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Speaker 3: would be a big deal here in Pittsburgh. No, No,

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Speaker 3: that's you know what I mean. So it's a big

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Speaker 3: deal for us just because we know that of the

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Speaker 3: significance and there's there's still a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: are going to pay games that went to Penguin Games

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Speaker 3: and Mario played and right, and now that that that

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Speaker 3: torch has been passed, that you know, and we can

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Speaker 3: still feel it. We still feel what Mario did in

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Speaker 3: the city. There's still a lot of people and so

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Speaker 3: to know there's another one that's gonna catch We didn't

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Speaker 3: think there'd ever be another player to catch Mario's number there,

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Speaker 3: and it looks like it is going to be Sid.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you know how Sid's just like Mario. They

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Speaker 3: have this way of rising to the moment. Right just

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Speaker 3: when you think, oh man two points against Edmonton and

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Speaker 3: Tristan Jarry, Mario did it, and you have a funny

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Speaker 3: feeling and say, they'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow night, Porky, great stuff. As always, I will see

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Speaker 2: at the game tomorrow night.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to a double I'm enjoyed that time together.

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Speaker 3: This was good hockey talk.

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Speaker 2: That's the old two nineer from sports and at Pittsburgh

686
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Speaker 2: and the Pittsburgh Radio Network. Now it's time to ask

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Speaker 2: Mark anything.

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Speaker 4: Dial now.

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Speaker 2: Eight three three four one two w xdx eight three

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Speaker 2: three four one two w xdx, or you can leave

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Speaker 2: a talk back via the microphone and icon it the

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Speaker 2: iHeartMedia app.

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Speaker 4: It's the Mark Madden Show one oh five nine, ass

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Speaker 4: Mark anything.

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Speaker 2: Brock towist by People's Natural Gas Peoples in this sense

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Speaker 2: Utilities Company, Safe Reliable natural Gas Energy, People's Hyphengas dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Jude jud drone with double M.

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Speaker 4: Good day, I said, good day.

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Speaker 7: I just uh, I was really sad to hear about

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Speaker 7: the passing of Rob Reiner. And one of my favorite

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Speaker 7: movies is I don't know if you've seen it Misery

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Speaker 7: with Kathy Bates and James conn the kind.

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Speaker 4: Of course of course I have.

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Speaker 2: I've seen nearly all of Rob Reiner's work, and uh,

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Speaker 2: I eulogized him at show's beginning. I just think it's

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Speaker 2: utterly tragic, and uh, some things have been said since

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Speaker 2: then that I'm biting my tongue on and may not

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Speaker 2: bite forever. I talked about it on Twitter, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, And it's just I don't know why

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Speaker 2: we can't just mourn.

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Speaker 4: Rob Reiner.

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Speaker 7: Agreed, Yeah, I just think we should pay tribute to

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Speaker 7: him at this point. And and you know, I thought

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Speaker 7: it was pretty pretty cool too, how he was influential

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Speaker 7: in keeping Seinfeld on the air as part of his.

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Speaker 4: Production company Castle Rocks.

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Speaker 7: So that's kind of like an unsung almost you know,

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Speaker 7: other part of his life.

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Speaker 2: It's not surprising because Rob Reiner had unrivaled comedic acumen

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Speaker 2: and not only could he produce great stuff and do

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Speaker 2: great acting like in Wolfe of Wall Street and Spinal Tap,

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Speaker 2: but he knew what would work and invariably it did.

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Speaker 2: Part of that, I would think, being part of that,

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Speaker 2: I think was from being Carl Reiner's son. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for the calling, Rob Reiner or rip I am going

726
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: to touch base on this. The president, who was the

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Speaker 2: least presidential person ever, let alone to be president, said

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Speaker 2: that Rob Reiner his wife died of Trump derangement syndrome,

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Speaker 2: when in fact they were murdered.

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Speaker 4: Uh, when Charlie Kirk got killed.

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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner, who lowed Charlie Kirk's politics, went on Piers

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Speaker 2: Morgan Show and said, this shouldn't happen to anybody.

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Speaker 4: So that's the difference between the two people.

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Speaker 2: What a regrettable choice we've made for president, an utterly

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Speaker 2: regrettable choice, just a terrible.

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Speaker 4: Human being without any shred of decency.

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Speaker 2: And if that makes you don't want to listen to

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Speaker 2: me gfy on your way out the door, I said,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say that, but I'm glad I did.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Alan Allen, ask Mark anything.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Mark betterhead coach Mike Tomlin or Jimmy mcintee's.

742
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Speaker 4: From the replacements.

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Speaker 2: I think Jimmy mcginney made more of what he had

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Speaker 2: than Tomlin typically does.

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Speaker 4: Don't you?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: Get some more calls in uh A three three four

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Speaker 2: one two wxdx. Uh This game tonight, twenty two straight

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Speaker 2: Monday night wins at home is amazing. I just hope

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Speaker 2: the hidden vigorous doesn't figure in, you know, the law.

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00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: Longer than something happens, the closer it is to not.

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Speaker 2: That is just an incredible friggin' number.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I like how everybody's trying to act like Adam Thielen

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00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: and MVS are somehow going to make a difference with

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Speaker 2: the Steelers now that they've been anointed by Aaron Rodgers

757
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: at the expense certainly of Roman Wilson and probably some

758
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: other receivers too. I see where Thieling and MVS have

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00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: been staying late to quote unquote get up to speed. Well,

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00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: that should really open up that Steelers offense. But how

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00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: much speed can those two fossils get up to? But

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Speaker 2: their stats don't matter. We're told, no catches, no problem.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 8: Super genius Eric and Toledo. Hey, I wasn't they call

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Speaker 8: in on Friday when you guys were talking about the

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Speaker 8: top sports center anchors. But this goes way back, But

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Speaker 8: what did you ever think of Bob Lee and Charlie Steiner?

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Speaker 8: I always thought Bob Lee.

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Speaker 2: Was I love I loved both of them. I don't

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Speaker 2: have Charlie Steiner in my top list.

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Speaker 4: Bob Lee.

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Speaker 2: I thought of him more as the host of Outside

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Speaker 2: the Lines, which is exactly the kind of program ESPN

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: used to excel at and should be doing, as opposed

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Speaker 2: to the embrace debate crap they do for ratings. Let's

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00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: go to Mike and Lawrenceville. Mike ask Mark anything.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Mark, thanks for making my call right on. I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to know if you Saturday Night's main event,

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Speaker 1: and if you did, what did you think of tapping out?

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Speaker 6: No?

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: I really don't watch wrestling anymore. I find it mostly

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Speaker 2: boring and without stories.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with seeing the tapping out though

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00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 2: he's on his way out. Why would the guy win

786
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: his last match when he's not going to be on

787
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: TV moving forward? You get more money out of Gunther

788
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: having tapped him, like he's ended some other careers. So

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00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: I think it was in keeping with what they've done

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00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: and with what should be done in wrestling. You look

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00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: at sting in aew he won his last twenty six matches.

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00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: He was twenty six to oh Now, a lot of

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Speaker 2: those were tag matches, and I have nothing but respect

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Speaker 2: for Steve Bordon, who I worked with obviously, But.

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Speaker 4: What good did that do anybody?

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Speaker 2: So I I I mean, I didn't see the match,

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00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: but that's the I'm not sure exactly what finish I

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Speaker 2: would have gone with, but it certainly would not have

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Speaker 2: been seen A beating Gunther.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was just to him tapping out.

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Speaker 5: That has everybody up in arms.

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00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they'll get over it. It's only fake wrestling,

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00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to David David Askmark anything, David, you're on

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Speaker 2: the air.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's good enough. We'll get David some other time.

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Speaker 2: Eight three three four one two WXDX eight three three

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Speaker 2: four one two WXDX Steelers Tonight, No TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt.

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson with a great point earlier, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to replay that interview in a little bit about how TJ.

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00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: Watt has become really good at stopping the run and

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00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: especially the way the Dolphins choose to run the ball.

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Speaker 2: So that's going to make tonight's game all that more

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Speaker 2: interesting his absence. But I think Jack Sawyer against the run.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna do what Watt did, but I think

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00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: he's good enough. The guy have to worry about against

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00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: the run is Herbig, who's gotten better at it. He's

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Speaker 2: primarily a pass rusher. High Smith a little bit of both.

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00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 2: Watt certainly a little bit of both, but unavailable, and

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Speaker 2: I'm told he's going to be out for the season

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Speaker 2: with that lung thing. I've never heard of dry k needling.

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Speaker 2: Dry humping yes, but not dry needling.

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Speaker 4: One, five, nine x