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Speaker 1: he is Paul Seiss, Paul was Tomlin?

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Speaker 2: Puster? Did he jump.

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Speaker 3: From everything? I understand he jumped, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably true. And Art Rooney today,

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Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't put it

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Speaker 1: that was the case at Art's press conference today. Is

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Speaker 1: it the best thing for the Steelers to move on

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Speaker 4: Obviously, the cons are, you've had a guy there for

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Speaker 4: So that's the pros. I mean, I mean, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: the cons of him moving on. The pros to me

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Speaker 4: I would take it. I would take it to this

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Speaker 4: think about it like this. How many people do you

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Speaker 4: you know, sometimes people end up leaving that situation and

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Speaker 4: right now have the opportunity to make a move to

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Speaker 4: go re energize, you know, bring somebody new him with

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Speaker 4: fresh eyes and fresh ideas. I hate the idea that

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Speaker 4: so many these assistants could stay. Why came the whole

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Speaker 4: to move in a different direction, move in a different direction. No,

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Speaker 4: I don't get rid of everybody and move in a

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think it's time for an organizational reset, which the

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Speaker 1: And I think, as their tradition dictates, they will get

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Speaker 1: a promising assistant coach. But what I'm worried about is,

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Speaker 4: You know, a guy who you know made his bones

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Speaker 4: in some ways. But he was not afraid to be aggressive.

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Speaker 4: You know, if Tomlin, here's the difference. If Tomlin, you know,

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Speaker 4: if C. J. Stroud would have fumbled the first one

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Speaker 4: modern football. So it's not so much about what side

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Paul's Ice in the Post Gazette here

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Speaker 1: four Lumber. Uh, you got any names that you like

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Speaker 4: Rooney hire, wouldn't it be if they hire somebody that

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Speaker 1: You said that they should clean us with the coaches,

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Speaker 4: there's some guys you could move on from, create some

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Speaker 4: because what I saw on Monday Mark was very simple.

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Speaker 4: The Steelers got their hind parts kicked by a team

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Speaker 4: they need to focus on. I mean, the quarterback situation

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Speaker 1: No I agree with all that, and will quarterback is

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Speaker 4: Right, No, I doubt that they're gonna do what they

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think they're really really good quarterback room

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but but Paul, But Paul, I want to tank

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Speaker 2: And five wins would be better than eight.

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Speaker 4: what I mean, they brought in another coach, and you

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Speaker 4: we talking about here, Paul?

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Speaker 1: Great stuff is always good work in the post Caauzette.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk again next week.

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Speaker 4: All right, thanks Mark, I'm doctor soon.

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Speaker 2: That's Paul's ice. Great having him on the show.

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Speaker 1: We got Alan Saunders at Pittsburgh Steelers now at the

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Speaker 2: What would you do with quarterback next year?

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Speaker 1: I would go with Rudolph and Howard because I don't

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Speaker 1: that's not what our rooney said. Eight three three four

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Speaker 5: Tomorrow night, the Pens face off against the Flyers.

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Speaker 2: Game time is seven.

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Speaker 4: Alter you go to it.

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Speaker 2: We're off in a rock to the rules.

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Speaker 4: I make double M.

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Speaker 2: How are you liking nappy X at one?

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Speaker 1: Let's got out of Steven Imperial Steve, you're on calls

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Speaker 1: on the fifteens.

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Speaker 4: Good day, Double M?

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Speaker 2: I said, good day.

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Speaker 6: So I agree with you completely about rolling with Rudolph

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Speaker 6: Will Howard, we drafted him fresh off a national championship

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Speaker 6: and we really haven't seen what the kid has.

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Speaker 1: Yeo, I think you're misunderstanding why I want him to play.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play specifically because I don't think he's

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Speaker 4: So what have we seen though? That that says that,

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Speaker 1: In the fifth round, the fact that all the scotting

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Speaker 2: I suppose they could all be wrong.

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Speaker 6: He could be lightning in a bottle and we just

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Speaker 1: That's true, Well, then if he was that and goes

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Speaker 1: eight to nine. That's the worst case scenario. Let's go

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Speaker 1: to Patrick, Patrick, You're on with double M.

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Speaker 4: Save us once and six? Good day? What man?

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Speaker 3: Hey?

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Speaker 7: The will Howard dambit not unlike the Vienna and Danish

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Speaker 7: I absolutely love it. It's exactly what the Steelers Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Need to do.

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Speaker 1: I was just talking Gary Kasparv the other day and

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Speaker 4: Mark.

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Speaker 7: As far as the coaching goes, if they app if

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Speaker 4: I think they no.

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Speaker 2: I know, I think anybody different is better.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not going to say Chris Shule is

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Speaker 2: By the way, I.

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Speaker 7: Really like the Shieldhouse guy you mentioned earlier. But he's

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Speaker 1: That's too young. That locker room wouldn't take him. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: thirty's too young for this team. I think thirty is

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Speaker 1: done that. I think kyr was thirty four. I think

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Speaker 1: Tomlin was thirty four. But thirty is too young. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to our good friend, the Hebrew hammer Hammer Yuck Shamash, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Yuk Shamash.

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Speaker 8: I've always been more impartial to Bobby Fisher, but I digress. Hey,

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Speaker 8: I think you mentioned Stefanski.

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Speaker 4: It's the best option.

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Speaker 8: And in regards to quarterback, you heard what the owners

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and Stefanski might be the best tire

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Speaker 1: Still young, forty two, NFL coached, the experience. In fact,

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Speaker 4: That In regards to quarterback, though, I don't think they're

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Speaker 5: They're gonna want.

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Speaker 9: They're gonna plug that with a guy who's been somewhere

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Speaker 2: And I really don't know who that would be. Who

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean I don't have the free agent list

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Speaker 2: Ready Kirk Cousins somebody like that.

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Speaker 6: Sure, if your job is to contend, the owner said it.

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Speaker 8: Their job is to contend every year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that I don't think that job will be fulfilled.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, hey, go ahead and try and waste

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Speaker 1: be honest, I think Will Howard's a bum. I would

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Speaker 2: What's the harm?

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Speaker 8: I mean it would be in I mean, you're mentioned

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Speaker 8: I've heard today, would.

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Speaker 4: You like, miss er?

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Speaker 5: Why not.

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Speaker 8: Next week it's supposed to snow.

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Speaker 4: Are you ready for this?

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Speaker 1: Fifty fifty three inches?

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Speaker 2: Not here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's just not true.

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Speaker 8: The snow I'm again and was twenty inches. They say

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it is in the space of how much time.

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Speaker 4: I don't care if it's sixty days. I just inches.

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Speaker 2: I just don't believe that.

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Speaker 8: Well, we'll see it's never happens with the odds are

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Speaker 1: Yeweather dot com it says nothing about that.

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Speaker 8: Well, keep looking, I am.

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Speaker 1: It says, it says okay, next week, it says, okay,

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Speaker 1: here's the forecast for next Thursday. Okay, partly Sonny thirty

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Speaker 1: to get people to watch the weather report on TV

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Speaker 1: like they do. That's your cue, Wami, let's go one

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Speaker 1: more Newman, Newman.

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Speaker 2: You're on with Mark.

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Speaker 10: Do you think we're ever going to get an interview

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Speaker 10: tell all from Rogers about how dysfunctional the Steelers were?

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: I think he loves Mike Tomlin legitimately and too much

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Speaker 1: here has been good. I think he might throw certain

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Speaker 1: Tom Win. And if you don't tell the truth about

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Speaker 1: Tom Win, how much truth is there really worth telling?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: I mean, I definitely think we'll hear some of the

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Speaker 10: buys into that mass psychosis that Tomlin is like the guru.

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Speaker 1: More neurosist than psychosis, but maybe sociopathy. But that's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Saunders of Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, Alan, my choice to coach

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Speaker 1: would be Stefanski, my expected pick by them is shuelup.

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Speaker 2: Who would you pick and who will they hire?

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Speaker 5: Well, I agree with you that I don't think they

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Speaker 5: will hire Stefanski, and I have a hard time saying

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Speaker 5: that a guy is a two time NFL Coach of

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Speaker 5: the Year would not be one of the better options

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Speaker 5: out there.

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Speaker 4: It just does not feel like the way they do things.

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Speaker 4: And I do think this is very much a coaching.

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Speaker 5: Search where the way they do things matters. The Pittsburgh

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Speaker 5: Steelers have this strong coaching tradition. Art Rooney as an

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Speaker 5: owner has generally sought to uphold Steelers traditions, and it

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Speaker 5: just kind of feels like they're gonna hire the guy

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Speaker 5: that seems most like Mike Tomlin and Bill Kwer and

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Speaker 5: Chuck Mole when they hired those guys. And so if

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Speaker 5: that's the case, I think you make a very good

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Speaker 5: argument for Chris Shula, the defensive coordinator of the Los

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Speaker 5: Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the idea of a defensive name.

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Speaker 1: I like the idea of getting an offensive guy to

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Speaker 1: move forward with the times in the NFL, which is

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Speaker 1: all about score more and faster, but out the defensive names,

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Speaker 1: Shula isn't unappealing since they're not gonna recycle. They haven't

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Speaker 1: recycled a guy who had been a head coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL since Buddy Parker in nineteen fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: I might like Clint Kubiak a little more than Sula.

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Speaker 1: I might like the Rams passing coordinator Shieldhouse a little

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Speaker 1: bit more too, But he's only thirty. I can't see

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Speaker 1: them hiring a guy that young, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that's a good fit for what figures to be an

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Speaker 1: older locker room.

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Speaker 4: I think they could.

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Speaker 5: There's a scenario where they could end up hiring Shola

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Speaker 5: and having him bring Shieldhouse with him as their offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: I think that would be a very attractive option.

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Speaker 1: That's a great call, Allen, That's that's a good thought.

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Speaker 1: What happened with Tom Win? Did he did he jump

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Speaker 1: or was he pushed? T'd that play out in your mind?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think he absolutely was was jumping and and and

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Speaker 5: I think pretty clearly. I mean, when you make the

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Speaker 5: decision immediately after the game to tell the players, Hey,

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Speaker 5: we're going to meet tomorrow at two o'clock, I mean

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Speaker 5: that means the decision was made long before they stepped

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Speaker 5: on the field Monday night, I you think you could see,

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Speaker 5: you know, the way he answered questions over the years,

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Speaker 5: there was definitely a softening of his stance about how

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Speaker 5: long he was going to do this and and things

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Speaker 5: like that. You know, very obviously said, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: closer to the end than than the beginning a couple

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Speaker 5: of years ago. I don't know what the thing that

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Speaker 5: pushed him over the edge was, but I I do.

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Speaker 5: You know, Ronnie said today that he felt like it

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Speaker 5: was more about family than football, and you know, his

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Speaker 5: kids are older, there's maybe not as much keeping him here.

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Speaker 5: I wonder how much that side of things mattered as

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Speaker 5: much as the lack of success in the postseason on

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Speaker 5: the football field.

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Speaker 1: Did Where did Tomlin fail? And how much in your

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Speaker 1: mind did he fail? What were the moments that led

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Speaker 1: to this?

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Speaker 5: I think that's a great question, and I think it's

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Speaker 5: an important question when you're looking at how the Steelers

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Speaker 5: move forward, because if you don't fix those things, you're

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Speaker 5: just going to repeat them. I think one of the

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Speaker 5: areas tom I think the biggest area Tomlin failed is

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Speaker 5: that don't I agree with your take that offensive philosophy

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Speaker 5: is more important than the NFL right now? And I

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Speaker 5: do think that you can win with defensive head coaches.

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Speaker 5: Seattle's had a great year with Mike McDonald, look what

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Speaker 5: Rabel has done in New England. But I think if

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Speaker 5: you're gonna have a defensive head coach, that offensive coordinator

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Speaker 5: becomes about the second most important guy in the organization.

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Speaker 5: And I don't feel like the Steelers ever treated that

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Speaker 5: position that way under Mike Tomlin. Now, whether that was

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Speaker 5: a Tomlin thing or that want to spend money on

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Speaker 5: coaches thing, I don't know. I guess we're gonna find out.

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Speaker 5: But to me, that's the big failure of Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 5: is that he never invested in an offensive mind to

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Speaker 5: match his defensive prowess.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: In terms of a micro causem one moment drafting Picket,

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Speaker 1: which was his call that set the organization back at

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Speaker 1: least five years, maybe longer.

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Speaker 5: Well, in your drafted picket with Mack Canada as his

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Speaker 5: offensive coordinator. I mean, maybe Picket would have turned out

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Speaker 5: okay if he had a Clint Kobiak there. But the

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Speaker 5: guy I read a chance in the environment that he

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Speaker 5: was drafted into, and that's really a sort of double

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Speaker 5: barrel failure.

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Speaker 1: Another micro cause of Allen just kind of thinking out

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Speaker 1: a lout here. They traded up to get Broderick Jones,

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Speaker 1: then constantly put him in a position to fail. They

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure Dan Moore got his veteran respect

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Speaker 1: instead of making their franchise left tackle even the left

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Speaker 1: tackle at all.

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Speaker 5: And now he's about to go into the offseason where

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Speaker 5: they have to decide whether to pick up his fifth

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Speaker 5: year option. Really through very little fault of his own,

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Speaker 5: they don't have any idea if he can play left

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Speaker 1: No, no question about that. Art Rooney said. The object

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Speaker 1: is to compete every year. I don't think they're going

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Speaker 1: to compete next year, and they could make it a

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Speaker 1: year that's even less beneficial by trying to. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you try to win, but you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just I think they have to accept it next

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Speaker 1: year as a transition year, and I think the biggest

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Speaker 1: disaster would be nine and eight.

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Speaker 5: Again, I don't know that they're going to I kind

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Speaker 5: of get for the sense from talking to Art Rooney

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Speaker 5: today that they very much are not okay with bringing

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Speaker 5: someone on board who picture for this organization is, well,

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Speaker 5: let's take a step back and see where it thinks.

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Speaker 2: No, he literally said that they don't want to waste

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I just I don't think that's what's

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Speaker 5: gonna happen. I think they're going to keep trying to win.

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Speaker 5: And I look at the talent they have and the

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Speaker 5: talent that's available to them, especially at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 5: and I don't see how they possibly do a lot

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Speaker 5: better than what they were this year. I mean, it

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Speaker 5: looks like a year where that's about their ceiling, and.

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna shoot for it. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Who will be the quarterback next year? What will the

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Speaker 2: plan be?

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Speaker 5: I don't have a clue. It doesn't sound like it'll

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Speaker 5: be Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: Now, No, for sure not. He wanted to play for

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Speaker 2: Tomlin period.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Malik Willis is the one guy who's a

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Speaker 5: free agent that feels a little bit interesting that maybe

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Speaker 5: you could develop into something. Ty Simpson from Alabama. The

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Speaker 5: quarterback class in this draft has completely falling apart with

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Speaker 5: Dante More going back to Oregon today, ty Simpson from

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Speaker 5: Alabama is maybe the one guy they could draft who

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Speaker 5: you would be kind of okay with being a starter

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Speaker 5: in his first year. I don't even know about that.

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Speaker 5: It's bleak in terms of, Oh.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to start whoever in their first year.

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Speaker 1: Where do they draft them this year or next year

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Speaker 1: or whatever year. Again, they're going to adhere to their

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Speaker 1: traditions and you know, maybe it works, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think the league's just changed so much. What about

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Speaker 1: assistant coaches, Alan, I would bet they bring a bunch

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Speaker 1: of guys back.

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Speaker 2: They just have that loyalty at their own expense.

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Speaker 5: I think they do have a number of contracts that

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Speaker 5: are up. They also have a couple of older guys

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Speaker 5: who are just assistants that I think probably will maybe

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Speaker 5: not want to work for a first time head coach

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Speaker 5: that we're comfortable working with Mike Tomlin in a different way.

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Speaker 5: So I think there will be a good.

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Speaker 4: Amount of turnover on the coaching staff.

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Speaker 5: I would be surprised if they're all gone, but I

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Speaker 5: think you'll see most of those guys, And I mean

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Speaker 5: are saying today that he did not even consider Arthur

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Speaker 5: Smith to be a candidate for this job when he

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Speaker 5: is being interviewed by other teams for their head coaching vacancies.

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Speaker 5: Tells me they're probably not real high on him coming

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Speaker 5: back even though he's under contract.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, if I was picking.

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Speaker 5: Right now, I would say three new coordinators, maybe some

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Speaker 5: of the assistants.

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Speaker 2: Day What about the players?

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Speaker 1: Will they try to get out of some of those

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Speaker 1: big contracts for older players because that'll be tough to do.

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Speaker 2: Like obviously signing TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watson that deal was a grievous error, but I don't

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Speaker 1: see any way to correct it.

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Speaker 4: Do you.

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Speaker 5: Sort of just you know, pad in hand asking him

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Speaker 5: to take less money. That's about all they can do.

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Speaker 5: I think they can get away from Jalen Ramsey's deal

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Speaker 5: if they want to. They could probably get away from

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Speaker 5: some of the other ones like Patrick Queen maybe if

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Speaker 5: they wanted to, but I mean I don't And Kim Hayward,

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Speaker 5: I mean, he got underpaid even though he's he was great.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's the one.

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Speaker 1: He's the one guy among the big money guys that

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Speaker 1: I can look at his having done his job with

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Speaker 1: no disclaimer.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would be surprised if Ramsey's back at

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Speaker 5: that price. He has no guaranteed money left on his deal,

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Speaker 5: so they can play around with that if they want

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Speaker 5: to try to bring him back at a different salary level,

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Speaker 5: but I think they be in line to try to

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Speaker 5: find some ways to make some money. The good news

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Speaker 5: is they have a lot of cab space. It's not

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Speaker 5: like they're really hurting for it, that those contracts are

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Speaker 5: crippling them. And when you look at what they really

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Speaker 5: need quarterback and wide receiver, there's so little out there

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Speaker 5: on the free agent market that I don't know that

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Speaker 5: they need to be aggressive about cutting fat even where

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Speaker 5: it kind of obviously exists.

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Speaker 2: Alan, great stuff. I appreciate you taking a time, fantastic input.

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Speaker 2: I hope we talk soon.

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Speaker 4: Thanks March. We'll see it.

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Speaker 2: That's Alan Saunders of Pittsburgh Steelers now and speaking to

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Speaker 1: Boy, this is the perfect week from to do it.

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Speaker 1: The King of Old School, John Steigerwald and then a

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Speaker 2: They say they care. I know they don't.

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Speaker 1: It's former Penguins coach Mike Terry. And yes we will

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Speaker 1: play the speech before Iron Mike comes on. But right now,

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Speaker 2: Steelers God PERMISSI interview the two l A.

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Speaker 1: Rams guys, the defensive coordinator Shoe Lob and the passing

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Speaker 1: game coach, the young guy thirty years old, Shielhouse.

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Speaker 2: And now word is.

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Speaker 1: Out that they're going to talk as as as predicted

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Speaker 1: to the LA Chargers defensive coordinator minter So all the

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Speaker 1: names that uh that we thought they'd talk to the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are going to Now it's time to ask Mark

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Speaker 2: Uh, let's go to Chad. Chad your only double M.

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Speaker 10: Hey, double M, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 6: H question about the video advertising board that are around

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Speaker 6: the ice and specifically when you go on the road.

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Speaker 5: Uh, you see all uh you know, all the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 5: local advertisements.

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Speaker 2: There on those those are done.

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Speaker 1: Those are done on TV, the local ads for Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: companies and places. When you see them when the Penwys

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Speaker 1: played at Detroit, that's only on TV. They obviously have

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Speaker 1: local advertising in Detroit. What you thought Eaton Park was

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Speaker 1: buying advertising in Detroit?

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Speaker 6: No, but I was curious if that's like you got

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Speaker 6: to pay extra for to get that kind of stuff, Honor,

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Speaker 6: Today I've overtaken video boards.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Tommy. Tommy, you're on with double M.

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Speaker 2: Mark justin goodbye. Let's go to Harry and Westview. Harry,

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Speaker 2: you're on with Mark.

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Speaker 4: Ekes my ears.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Mark, question, do you do you think you're gonna

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Speaker 10: like Mike Tomlinan when he goes into the media and

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Speaker 10: what do you think he's gonna be a studio guy?

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Speaker 10: Because I can't imagine Bob.

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Speaker 1: Says he won't go in the meeting that Tomlin has

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Speaker 1: expressed to him that he has no interest in doing that.

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Speaker 1: Art Rooney said today he thinks Tomlin quit because of

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Speaker 1: family reasons, and there can be all kinds of family reasons.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't think for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll do anything this first year.

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Speaker 4: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll just take a year off from everything.

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope it's nothing bad. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 4: main thing.

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Speaker 1: Depends on anyway. Let's go to Dan, Dan, ask Mark anything.

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Double ABM? What not?

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Speaker 4: Mind? Hey?

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Speaker 8: With respect to Tomlin, So with the Steelers keeping his rights,

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Speaker 8: I get a question for you, and it sounds stupid,

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Speaker 8: but it's a question.

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Speaker 1: There's no such thing as stupid questions, only stupid people

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Speaker 1: who ask questions.

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Speaker 4: So go ahead, they noted.

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Speaker 8: So let's say Tomlin takes a year off he wants

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Speaker 8: to come back in twenty twenty seven, the Steelers have

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Speaker 8: his rights. Do you think Rooney would just be willing

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Speaker 8: to take less because he feels like he owns I

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Speaker 8: think Rooney will.

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Speaker 1: Let him go for free. I don't think he'll ask

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Speaker 1: for anything in return. The Steelers do technically have his rights,

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Speaker 1: but I do not think Art will indulge that to

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Speaker 1: the Steelers gain. For example, DK Metcalf smacked that fan

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Speaker 1: in Detroit lost his guaranteed money, and Art gave the

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Speaker 1: guarantees right back. He's either a really good guy or soft,

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Speaker 1: depending on your point of view.

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Speaker 8: I agree, and I don't trust the team to bought

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Speaker 8: him out, So I think the main thing they need

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Speaker 8: to do is try to get a second first round

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Speaker 8: pick in twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: However they can, and I think.

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Speaker 8: Tomlin might be their best bet. But yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 8: I don't see it out.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: Nobody would trade a first round pick for Tomlin. Nobody,

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Speaker 1: Nobody a couple of years ago, maybe now nobody. And

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Speaker 1: one reason I think Mike's gonna take a year off

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Speaker 1: coaching is because I think the myth of him getting

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Speaker 1: a job five minutes after he's available would be exposed

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Speaker 1: as just that a myth.

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Speaker 2: I think you get a job. I don't think it

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Speaker 2: would be any place where he'd succeed. Let's go to Dino.

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Speaker 2: Dino ask Mark anything, Oh hey, Mark.

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Speaker 5: Real quick?

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Speaker 14: Did you hear really the second press conference day where

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Speaker 14: he made a reference which he must have been talking

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Speaker 14: about the Rooney rule, where he said that, you know,

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Speaker 14: the process is going to take longer because of the

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Speaker 14: procedures in place by the NFL, the higher coach. I mean,

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Speaker 14: isn't that the Runey that his father put in place?

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Speaker 2: He didn't direction of the Rooney roll.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the Ruiney rule had anything to do

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Speaker 1: with this, with this, uh, with Tom win leaving or

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Speaker 1: what they do moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Steve Hey.

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Speaker 4: Mark got a question for you, so generational talent, it's

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Speaker 4: hard to compare athletes across eras or across you know,

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Speaker 4: across their generations. I feel like athletes today would probably

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Speaker 4: be successful in older sports. Do you think athletes from

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Speaker 4: long ago would be successful in today's sports?

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Speaker 2: I think I think some would. I mean how long

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Speaker 2: ago we talking about?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, like Bobby Orr would.

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Speaker 5: He be.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, no question, because don't forget all the things

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Speaker 1: that make today's hockey players better, like better skates, composite sticks,

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Speaker 1: you know, training regimens, nutrition, those would all be available

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Speaker 1: to a Bobby or or Gordy How if they played

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Speaker 1: in today's era.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like you can't teaching that coordination or athleticism.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you another example.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Babe Ruth, you're telling me in the nineties, Babe

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Speaker 1: Ruth wanted taken steroids hit it hit one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten home runs.

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Speaker 2: Let's get a rick on the south side.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what up?

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Speaker 8: Double m what up?

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Speaker 4: The question for you?

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Speaker 9: And this is not in a condescending tone.

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Speaker 6: It's something I wonder myself.

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Speaker 9: When you talk about Tomlin and his shortcomings as the

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Speaker 9: dealer stands the people outside of the Pittsburgh bubble, you know,

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Speaker 9: one of the things that they'll say is, oh, well,

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Speaker 9: he's one of four coaches that's gone ten and seven

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Speaker 9: in the last three years.

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Speaker 6: Great, the other ones are the Bills.

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Speaker 4: What's that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't care that he went ten and

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Speaker 1: seven the last million years. However, many it was, what's

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Speaker 1: your point?

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Speaker 9: Well, no, I'm asking because the point that they make is,

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Speaker 9: you know, you got Josh Allen with the Bills, Jalen

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Speaker 9: Hurts with the Eagles, and Stafford with the Rams, and

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Speaker 9: then it's us with the Hodgepodge of quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the hodgepodget quarterback is something he's responsible for. He

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Speaker 1: drafted Pickett. He's recycled all these old bums. He's never

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Speaker 1: known what to do with the quarterback position. The only

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Speaker 1: time he had a good quarterback is when and he inherited.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Joe and Bethel Park. Joe, you're all

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Speaker 1: with Mark, Mark.

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Speaker 10: I thank you for the compelling hockey talk in the

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Speaker 10: past couple of days, especially with Pierre.

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Speaker 2: Not yesterday, but yeah, go ahead, just be really good,

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Speaker 2: keep it up. Of course it is. What's your point?

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Speaker 6: My fact is that I appreciated it, and I wanted

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Speaker 6: to buy goodbye.

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Speaker 1: That I mean, I appreciate you appreciating Maybe that's just boring,

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Speaker 1: effing radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 4: I just wondering.

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Speaker 7: I know you're not the biggest fan of Tomlin historically,

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Speaker 7: but if you were forced us to name three things

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Speaker 7: that you thought he did successful or that you.

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Speaker 4: Admired about him, what would those things be.

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Speaker 1: He won to he won a Super Bowl, he got

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Speaker 1: to a Super another super Bowl, and he inherited a

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Speaker 1: good team and made the most of it. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: I think he was a fraud, a myth. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he was ever a good coach. Nobody can tell

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Speaker 1: me why he's a good coach. He does this well,

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Speaker 1: does that well, he's a good coach. Just because I

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Speaker 1: gotta be honest, I don't have a lot of respect

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Speaker 1: for the guy or what he accomplished.

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Speaker 2: That makes me a bad person. I guess I can

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Speaker 2: go f myself. Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 15: Hey, Mark, I think it's becoming more and more evident

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Speaker 15: that that George Pickens trade was just absolutely mishandled and

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Speaker 15: will go down as the worst trade in franchise history

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Speaker 15: and one of the worst trades in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it won't. He George Pickens is a guy

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Speaker 1: you just don't win with. He's ab two, not as good.

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Speaker 1: You don't win with guys like that. I had no

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Speaker 1: problem with him trading Pickens. I did have a problem

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Speaker 1: with him never getting a number two wide receiver for

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Speaker 1: either of the last two seasons. Never having a number

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Speaker 1: two wide receiver for two straight seasons. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: one more talkback.

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Speaker 10: Mark.

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Speaker 13: You mentioned what I was thinking. The Steelers had a

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Speaker 13: good reputation and culture, and since around twenty ten, the

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Speaker 13: Steelers have had at least one idiot on the team

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Speaker 13: that chipped away from that reputation.

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Speaker 4: Every year.

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Speaker 13: So how did this factor in on Toman's legacy and

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Speaker 13: more importantly, the Steelers reputation outside of Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Well, they had idiots on the team when Nolan Cower coached, too,

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Speaker 1: But those coaches controlled them.

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Speaker 2: They had them in pockets.

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Speaker 1: As I said earlier, when you got a guy like

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Speaker 1: DK Smack and a fan during the game behind the bench,

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Speaker 1: When you got George Pickens showing up late as many

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Speaker 1: times as he did, all the crap AB and lev

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Speaker 1: Bell pulled back when jaking out of games, showing up late, Ab,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just the litany of stuff that disrupted the

886
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Speaker 1: team and damaged the culture for years beyond his tenure

887
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Speaker 1: with the Steelers. Tomlin was friends with the players. He

888
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Speaker 1: didn't control them. It's more important to control than to

889
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Speaker 1: be warm and flushy. Like I said, I can't think

890
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Speaker 1: of one thing tangible Tomlin did good.

891
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Speaker 4: I can't.

892
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Speaker 2: If that makes me a bad person again, I I

893
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Speaker 2: form myself to go to Hell or go screw or something.

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