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Speaker 1: I mean not to discuss. He covers the Steelers for

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Speaker 1: the Athletic. Always great to talk to, Mike de Fable. Mike,

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Speaker 1: you wrote that that loss of Cleveland was the worst

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Speaker 2: What made it so?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think everyone knows. The Steelers knows that.

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Speaker 4: on the road and loses the game that he shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: And we've seen Mike Tomlin lose to inferior opponents. We've

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Speaker 4: seen Mike Tomlin blow chances to clinch the division, including

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Speaker 4: last year. But if there is a time loan of

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Speaker 4: playoffs and rest their starters, somebody please remind me of

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Speaker 4: when it was, because I can't think of a time

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's just put this in perspective.

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Speaker 4: Mark, the Cleveland Browns had as many wins going into

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Speaker 4: that game as they had starting quarterbacks. Shader Sanders played

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Speaker 4: that's how bad that this team was for the Browns

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Speaker 3: Chances of winning a playoff game.

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Speaker 4: And so even if they win this game, I think

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Speaker 1: I don't see how they can fix that offense with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that that's my biggest concern going

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers has not hit a deep ball in more

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Speaker 4: We're gonna challenge you with press man coverage. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: the Steelers, he aired it out to DK Metcalt and

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Speaker 4: that was really the formula that they used to win

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Speaker 4: Happened in the last game against the Browns, against another

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Speaker 4: They run cover one on more than forty percent of snaps,

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Speaker 4: they just couldn't get open. You know, Aaron Rodgers sold

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Speaker 4: us a great narrative about these cast offs. The reality

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Speaker 3: On the last game. And I really fault Omar Con.

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Speaker 4: For this because everybody that knew anything about football and

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Speaker 3: Roster construction and just poor planning all around.

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Speaker 3: The whole concept is ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: It honestly sounds mark like a joke. It sounds like

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Speaker 3: Reality is even stranger than fiction.

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Speaker 2: This game Sunday has potential to be really ugly.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the crowd's going to start off positive,

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Speaker 4: And I think I agree with you that there is

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Speaker 4: I think that's the only scenario in which it makes

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Speaker 4: To try to run it down the Steelers' throats like

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree with you, Mark, where you want to

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Speaker 3: Giving it to Derrick Henry over and over and over again.

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Speaker 3: It's part of their DNA. They choke.

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Speaker 4: They cannot win a big game. Lamar cannot win a

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Speaker 2: Mike, great stuff is always great stuff in the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: Has Rogers screwed up the offense? I think he has.

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Speaker 1: Also talking about Aaron Rodgers, has he screwed up the

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Speaker 2: On with Mark?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Mark, how you doing great?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 7: Let's let's talk about Tomlin for a minute. I love coaching.

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Speaker 3: They never talk about winning. It's all about it's all

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure where you're going with this,

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Speaker 2: How's it different?

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Speaker 7: Well, because Tomlin says, well, we're in the winning business.

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Speaker 7: That's all he talks about it.

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Speaker 1: No, No, you're overestimating what he says. Tom Win just

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Speaker 7: You're right, I agree with that, But let me let

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Speaker 2: As I've been saying for years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he inherited number seven, the best quarterback the

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Speaker 1: And might I add, as I said earlier, Tomlin's record

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Speaker 1: lower than Cower's record was without number seven. I see

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Speaker 7: And when he had his team, his coaches, his leaders,

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Speaker 7: his culture, his quarterbacks, he's done nothing.

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Speaker 3: He's been terrible, horrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you looking for an argument, And well.

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Speaker 7: No, but this should be obvious. No coaching tree.

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Speaker 1: It is obvious, but people don't want to see it.

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Speaker 1: No coaching tree. That's another thing. Thank you for your call.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're going over the same ground here. I

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to criticize the airs pre eminent black coach.

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Speaker 1: That's not why he doesn't get fired. It's not the

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Speaker 1: Rooney rule, that's not true. It's because they just don't

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Speaker 1: fire the head coach. With the Steelers, Art the second

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Speaker 1: heavily in Tomlin's favor, no question, no question.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to David. David, you're on with Mark.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Mark, I'm I wanted to talk about Schinikov. I'm

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Speaker 8: pretty sure he's out tonight. Uh he said he was playing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen him play. I don't ever recall him

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Speaker 3: That's right, Mark, while you huddle in your pitiful stance,

442
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: shivering in the crowd like common SERTs. I struck lightning

443
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: fast on the ice, claiming eternal glory against those buffalo fools.

444
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: You do your chair from afar. No, this, no moral

445
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: has eclipsed my throne, Mark, not a single player over

446
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: the years, not one. So Neil, you rebel and worship

447
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 3: the speed that makes God jealous. The Winter Classic is

448
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: my domain, Mark, my domain.

449
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: My God. You were more prepared for this than I was.

450
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: Great great work army in the Winter Classic is at

451
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: Miami on Saturday.

452
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: Will you be there. It seems like you should be

453
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: an invited guest to VIP.

454
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 3: I should be dropping the puck probably, But the NHL

455
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: hasn't caught up to the magnitude of this record yet. Mark.

456
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 3: And also, I am the king of the Winter Classic.

457
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: This is in Florida? Are they playing in Also? Is

458
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 3: there a roof on this on this stadium? May have

459
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 3: to put an asterisk.

460
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: No, that's a good question.

461
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the Winter Classic should necessarily

462
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: go everywhere like to Miami in Florida, you know, with

463
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: with temperatures well about freezing.

464
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: I get it.

465
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: I know they can do the ice, but it's just

466
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: not the same as in a wintery climate, is it.

467
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm interested to see what it's gonna

468
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 3: be like. Like, I think that's great that we're trying

469
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: to do that. I mean, we had all kinds of trouble.

470
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,239
Speaker 3: Where was that one out in uh? Or was that

471
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 3: one when they had the sunbeat Lake Taho where it

472
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 3: just didn't quite work out? They had to delay the game.

473
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: The ice was in tough times. I know that'll be

474
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 3: a little bit more controlled with a rooftop scenario. I

475
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: think they can take the roof down in that in

476
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 3: that stadium. But uh, I'm interested to see what it'll

477
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: be like. I think it's I think the concept of

478
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: it is awesome, and the fact that we're able to

479
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: even attempt to do it in Florida is kind of awesome.

480
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: Although the visuals, right, the visuals of that first Winter

481
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 3: Classic in Buffalo that makes it stand up to the

482
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: test of all these other ones was the visuals of

483
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: snowfalling and true Winter Classic form.

484
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: Do you sweat the first twenty one seconds when you

485
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: watch Winter Classic? If I were you, I would like

486
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: watch intently until you got to the twenty second second.

487
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: Then I'd barely pay attention afterwards. I just have a

488
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: couple of beers.

489
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I cracked beers as soon as it's done, Mark,

490
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: like on January second, that's what I'll do. I'll sweat

491
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 3: it out the first twenty one seconds. I've done it

492
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: almost every year that it's happened, because, quite frankly, it's

493
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 3: the only record I have. Although it's a massive record,

494
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: it's my it's my only thing, Mark mass Alid, God,

495
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,479
Speaker 3: and you're the one guy that keeps it going for me, buddy,

496
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: I one guy.

497
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 6: I was there.

498
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: Don't forget I was there.

499
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: I was barely in my seat when you score it

500
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: because they had these great wings in the press box

501
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: at Buffalo from Duffs.

502
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: You ever have those there? Incredible? But I saw it.

503
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: I did get to my seat. I did bear witness

504
00:24:59,200 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: to the greatness.

505
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: Well yeah, no, Print the T shirts right, Print the

506
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: T shirts.

507
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: Mark.

508
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 3: I know you're a big guy for that, and you've

509
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: been talking about it. Print the T shirts, baby, How

510
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: are they.

511
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: Not T shirts? How are you not cashing in? If

512
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: you deserve it to, you're the king, get you should

513
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: get tribute.

514
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 3: It would be an amazing T shirt. It would sell

515
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: like crazy. Can you imagine those coming out, especially this

516
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 3: time of the year when it is like stocking stuffers

517
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: all over the place. So a little late to it now,

518
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 3: but maybe it'll be in the works if this can

519
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 3: hold up another year now.

520
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: That was the first Winter Classic two thousand and eight, Buffalo,

521
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: Rich Stadium.

522
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: An army. To my mind, it's still really the best one.

523
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: Just enough snow, just enough cold, good ice, very good game.

524
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Nothing since has topped it.

525
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: I think the fans too, right, just typical in Buffalo,

526
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: I think too, with the mixture of NHL fans, Penguins fans,

527
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: Buffalo fans that like kind of embrace the situation, like

528
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: there's people with their shirts off, like the visuals. I

529
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: think from that game, I don't think I've been eclipsed,

530
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: just because of where it was and what it was.

531
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: And then on top of it, of course the Sydney

532
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: Crosby moment in the shootout where he got the win

533
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 3: for the Penguins over Buffalo, which was I think ideal

534
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: for the NHL and its inaugural one. So it was

535
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 3: everything about it was awesome, The ending was awesome, and

536
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 3: then the fans were fantastic too.

537
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: Now the sid shootout goal. Two things stick out looking

538
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 2: back at that.

539
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: He does the same move now every time that he

540
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: did then, and he celebrated with this kind of jump

541
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: that looked kind of like he didn't know what to do.

542
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: He didn't know how happy he should be.

543
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: It looked like, yeah, I see, I know. And the

544
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 3: difference is then, like he scored, I don't. He hasn't

545
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 3: scored much of the shootouts of late, So that a

546
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 3: big moment, right, And I think at the time we

547
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: knew it was like kind of a cool event. I

548
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: remember thinking at the time, like is this an event

549
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 3: or is this a real game? Like in the lead

550
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 3: up to it, it was it was just the first

551
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: time we'd ever done like that. So and then also

552
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: just seeing him like that is it's kind of like

553
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 3: what we were used to seeing of him early in

554
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: his career, like the hair down over his forehead, sticking

555
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: out of his helmet, like just the kid, just the

556
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: actual kid in him coming out And yeah, he loves it.

557
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: He's he's a hockey rat, and and you know that's

558
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: kind of like probably was tough for him to harness

559
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: any kind of like emotion. He just turned into a

560
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: kid in that moment. It was great.

561
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: Walk us through the goal, pretend we're watching on YouTube,

562
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: which I do several times a day.

563
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: Walk us through the goal, you narrate.

564
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: Off the face off opening lineup on a line with

565
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 3: Malcolm and Crosby. Believe it or not, pretty incredible for

566
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: myself puck back. I remember Sid just making a quick

567
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: comment to everyone like, let's get it going right ahead

568
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: because the ice was covered in snow pretty heavily. We're

569
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: just gonna get it up ice right away. And Sid

570
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: got the pocket. He had ended up having a pretty

571
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: good angle, drawing a few guys to him, so good

572
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: at cutting into the net once we got it through

573
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: the neutral zone, just a pretty simple play really, and

574
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 3: then he just took it hard to the net and

575
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 3: everyone just kind of overflowed on the over back check

576
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 3: off of Buffalo and I kind of came in in

577
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: that next layer and it popped perfectly on a platter

578
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 3: right to me. How else should it not be served

579
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 3: to the king other than on a platter, no quan,

580
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: I just had to skate in and pop it right

581
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: in the net mark and that was it. Yeah, I remember,

582
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: it was like had happened so fast I was like,

583
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 3: is this even Like, is anyone in their seats yet?

584
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: It was.

585
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: It was just such a crazy situation so early in

586
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: that game, with planes flying over the anthem, the entrance,

587
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: the crazy entrance with like fireworks, kind of the whole deal,

588
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: and yeah, just kind of happened fast and then just

589
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 3: got absorbed into the rest of the game.

590
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: Uh, the Olympic Ross just come out tomorrow.

591
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: Who's going to be a surprise guy to make it

592
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: a surprise guy to get cut for the US or Canada?

593
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: Like, what bubble guys are you wondering right now?

594
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? For Canada, I'm all the bubble guys I think

595
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: are Badard? I heard you on with Pierre and Shifley.

596
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: I think is a great candidate to be like a

597
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: real complimentary player because he can play kind of a

598
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: grindy role although he's a very good player, but he's

599
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: just a really good all around player. In Winnipeg is

600
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: Mark Schiffley, and I think he's had a really good

601
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 3: year as well. The Badard injury is something that I'll

602
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: be wanting to keep an eye on because I think

603
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 3: it would have been tough to keep him off the

604
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: team with the season he's had the way he's looked

605
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: to Mark like he has been a dog, a dawg dog,

606
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: like he's been on it this year and completely transformed

607
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: himself from his previous couple of years with kind of

608
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: that mentality. Celebrini will be there. The thing I'm curious

609
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: about it everyone said he's gonna be there, is if

610
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: Bennington's gonna be there. Like Bennington for the goaltender for Canada,

611
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: he hasn't had a great year and I know he

612
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: got it done it for Nations, but he's not even

613
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: really like they're starting goalie in Saint Louis right now,

614
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 3: Like this hasn't been a good year for him. So

615
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: I'll be really curious for that. For the US. The

616
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: lots to talk about Roberts In if he in Dallas,

617
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 3: if he's going to be a guy, they'll make it

618
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 3: an oth Thompson is a hot topic as a a guy.

619
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 3: I think he'll be there and then on defense for them.

620
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: If if I don't know, like if Fox from the

621
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: Rangers is gonna make it, I'm hearing you know, there's

622
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 3: other candidates in there that they've been keep an eye on.

623
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: More size, more length, more speed as well. For the Americans.

624
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, those are the big like the players that

625
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: will be snobbed, that will be the biggest topic, right,

626
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: like snobbed or flip flop they decided to go with

627
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 3: this guy instead of this guy, and how they build

628
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: their teams and how they want him to look. And

629
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: that's what everyone will be bantering about for the next

630
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: at least three weeks up until we get Olympic hockey

631
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: going again. But the initial roster drop should be fairly interesting.

632
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Army.

633
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: If the game was outdoor, you would be Cannada's first

634
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: line right wing.

635
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: I have no doubt about that. I can't wait.

636
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: They can't deny it.

637
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, right outdoor. Come on, you're the king of all outdoors,

638
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. And it should be noted. And

639
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: by the way, way, did you know that you're an

640
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: official record at NHL dot com. It's not informal. You're

641
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: not only fastest Winter Classic goal, your fastest optoor goal.

642
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: Wow, so this is real, right, like the King of

643
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: the Winter Classic. Maybe the King of the Winter is

644
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: just yes, yes.

645
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: Yes, so my wow.

646
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: My idea is this next year, we got to get

647
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: the T shirt, so we'll pick a charity.

648
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: Well, we'll make We'll make it for a good cause.

649
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: And we need to have a Kolbe Armstrong Winter Classic

650
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Symposium where we bring people to like a theater or

651
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: a big bar and get people in there so they

652
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: can hear from you in person. It's one thing on YouTube,

653
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: it's one thing to hear you on the radio. To

654
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: see you in person talk about this, relive it, bring

655
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: it right to the people.

656
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: I think that is a big deal.

657
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: On a throne at the next Winter Classic watch party somewhere. Yes,

658
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: if I thought they're dropping the park, that's the next

659
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: best thing. Mark.

660
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is, we need to do it here

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Speaker 1: because here you and I can for sure fool the people.

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Speaker 2: Did I say that, I didn't mean you.

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Speaker 3: Deal with your connections.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you get the idea, Army. I am so glad.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time for reliving what is a magic.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I was in the press box of Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I'd been in my seat for about five seconds. The

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Speaker 1: pucket already dropped. I had a mouth full of wing.

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Speaker 1: I probably snuck a beer into the press box, and

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Speaker 1: you scored. I will relive that in my mind forever

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Speaker 1: and ever.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. You got the p history, the exactly.

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Speaker 1: The people out there, thank you, and it will never

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Speaker 1: be duplicated. Once again, I bow at the altar of

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Speaker 1: the Winter Classic.

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Speaker 3: King, Well, thank you, thank you for having me on

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Speaker 3: and bringing the to the attention that it deserves. Mark,

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Speaker 3: I'll leave you with this tail the King or Freeze

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Speaker 3: in Obscurity.

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Speaker 1: That's Kobe Armstrong. I'm Mark Madden. Time to ask Mark

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Speaker 1: anything that was a great close four one two three

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Speaker 2: That's the back door number.

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Speaker 1: Or you can call eight three three four one two

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Speaker 1: w xdx, or you can leave a talk back via

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Speaker 1: the microphone icon at the iHeartMedia app.

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Speaker 2: That's how you do it. One O five to nine.

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Speaker 6: It's Travis every weekday at ten am starting your workday

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Speaker 6: commercial free on one.

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Speaker 2: Now the super genius Mark Madden.

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Speaker 3: Draft bringing the Duck Tate type of affairs.

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Speaker 2: What they're gonna make us play a walker game? It's

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Speaker 2: not fair. It's not fair.

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Speaker 3: It's not fair.

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Speaker 6: The X at one O five nine.

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Speaker 1: As we often do, we're watching football, the real football

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Speaker 1: during the show, Arsenal beating up on third place aston

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Speaker 1: Villa four nil. Late in the game, Arsenal top spot

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Speaker 1: in the Premier League. I thought Arsenal would win today,

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Speaker 1: but four nil that makes a statement. But we're just

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Speaker 1: at the season's halfway point New Year's Day. I don't

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Speaker 1: have to watch the game during the show hosting Leeds

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Speaker 1: at anfield should have gone, thought about it, should have gone.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ask Mark anything brought to us by People's

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Speaker 1: Natural Gas, People's hyphengas dot Com. Forgot to mention eighty

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Speaker 1: four lumber earlier in the program, so we'll play a

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Speaker 1: little catch up ball with them by mentioning them. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's going out of our good friend the Hebrew hammer?

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Speaker 2: Hammer? Yuck shamash.

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Speaker 3: Hey, yuck shamash.

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Speaker 9: Mark, Hey, I have a question about college basketball, so

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Speaker 9: I thought you're the we're most expert on that.

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Speaker 3: In town.

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Speaker 9: There was a player who recently had a two way contract,

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Speaker 9: whatever that means, and he played.

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Speaker 6: For the Bulls.

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Speaker 9: He was in a game for the Chicago Bulls, and now.

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Speaker 3: Somehow he's he's going to college to play.

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Speaker 9: I don't know if you've heard of that.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I think just today the NBA ruled anybody who's excuse me,

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Speaker 1: college basketball. The NCAA ruled that whoever's played in the

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Speaker 1: NBA is ineligible to come back.

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Speaker 9: Well, isn't it amazing they had a role on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what Nil's done.

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Speaker 1: Nil has made all big time college sports a different

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Speaker 1: level of professional sports.

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Speaker 9: It wouldn't it be interesting if, like, like when Lebron retires,

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Speaker 9: he'd be like forty five and he could come back

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Speaker 9: and play like for Akron Zips. Wouldn't that be wouldn't

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Speaker 9: that kind.

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Speaker 3: Of be interesting?

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Speaker 2: No, not even a little bit.

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Speaker 9: Hey, my next point, did you buy any chance happen

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Speaker 9: to catch the referees name on Sunday the Steelers game?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: What was it?

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Speaker 3: John Hussey?

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Speaker 9: And that's not a term we use much anymore, is it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that was used to refer to like a loose woman,

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Speaker 1: like a shameless hussy.

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's right, but I don't hear that much anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's your cue whammy. You can call now, and I

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Speaker 1: wish you would after that. Eight three three four one

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Speaker 1: two wxdx. Let's go to.

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Speaker 2: A talkback mark.

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Speaker 10: The Steelers ever had a more embarrassing approach to the

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Speaker 10: standard being the standard than this year, where they had

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Speaker 10: a dry needling incident puncture along, they had a starting

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Speaker 10: player punch a fan and get suspended, and then they

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Speaker 10: lose to a three win team.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying that all year, from top to bottom.

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Speaker 1: The organization's a joke. You're right, wat Gett is lung punctured.

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Speaker 1: Losing to the Browns with a chance to clinch the

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Speaker 1: AFC North, that's one thing that you got to, you know,

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Speaker 1: way together.

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Speaker 2: Losing to the three and twelve Browns is bad enough.

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Speaker 1: Blowing a chance to clinch the AFC North is bad enough.

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Speaker 1: But you did both of those things in the same day,

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Speaker 1: and in incredibly embarrassing fashion. Rogers has taken over the team.

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Speaker 1: You have Friarmouth and Johnny won the Payno Mind list,

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Speaker 1: you have mvs and Scottie.

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Speaker 2: Miller's featured receivers.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing's just out of control, certainly out of

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's control, but the stuff he still does.

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Speaker 2: ConTroll, he f's up horribly.

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Speaker 1: It is a stink sandwich and everybody involved needs to

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Speaker 1: take a big bite. But to be honest, even though

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Speaker 1: Tom wins the most to blame and Rogers the most

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Speaker 1: to blame for losing that game of Cleveland, the owner's

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Speaker 1: soft art. Rooney the second is a soft owner and

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Speaker 1: he is the blame for everything. Trickling down from him

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Speaker 1: for being bullied by Tomlin, for letting Tom win wun

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Speaker 1: a team he owns and not to good effect, not

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Speaker 1: for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Jacob. Jacob, you're on with the super genius.

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Speaker 5: Mark, I'm running some NHL twenty one on PS four

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Speaker 5: franchise mode. Who should I trade for it to get

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Speaker 5: his Sydney Crosby's line mates?

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Speaker 3: Who should I have run on Crosby's line? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: If you're playing outdoor, don't trade Army. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: a talkback.

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Speaker 3: With twenty twenty six on the horizon, I'd like to

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Speaker 3: hear your bold Pittsburgh sports predictions for the upcoming year.

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Speaker 1: First off, don't feel the need when you leave a

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Speaker 1: talkback do use some manufactured voice that you think makes

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Speaker 1: you sign important that guy just calling out, All it

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Speaker 1: did was make you sound like an ass. As far

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Speaker 1: as my prediction for twenty twenty six, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Penguins missed the playoffs, Pirates went about seventy seven games.

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Speaker 1: Steelers lose to Baltimore. How's that not really encouraging? But

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Speaker 1: at least I'm realistic. Let's go to a talkback.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, it's Zach again from Etna, And I just

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Speaker 5: want to ask you, how are you going to react

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Speaker 5: When I'm right and the Steelers make it to the

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Speaker 5: first round of the playoffs and win and get to

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Speaker 5: the second round.

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Speaker 1: First off, I won't feel too bad because even if

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Speaker 1: all that happens, which I doubt in your rights, which

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Speaker 1: would be a first very likely, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I'll still be living in a very rich community,

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Speaker 1: and You'll still be in Etna. That said, I like Keetna,

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Speaker 1: played a lot of street hockey. There have fond memories

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Speaker 1: of the dairy Queen that area, the baseball field down there,

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Speaker 1: Alioto's Pizza, which I think finally closed, used to be

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Speaker 1: the Blarney Stone down there. And there's a place I

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Speaker 1: gotta go too soon. There's a barbecue place I went

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Speaker 1: to down there last year. Barbecue and Etna. You wouldn't

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Speaker 1: think of it. It's true, Oh, it's damn true.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you consider making the playoffs after having lost to Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: if you consider beating Baltimore at home, which you should do,

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Speaker 1: and winning the AFC North, which you should have clinched

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Speaker 1: last week, and making the playoffs, which you intermittently do

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Speaker 1: but never win, a playoff game, if you consider that

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Speaker 1: a success, Yeah, you'll be right. Congratulations, Boy, won't I

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Speaker 1: feel stupid? And if you consider even winning one playoff

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Speaker 1: game after eight years of not, if you think that's

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Speaker 1: good enough.

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Speaker 2: The standard is the so up standard.

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Speaker 1: This segment was brought to us by People's Hyphengas dot

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