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Speaker 1: It's not easy when great players, you know, leave your team,

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Speaker 1: but that's that's the nature of our business too, and

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Speaker 1: it's our job as a teams organization to keep adding

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Speaker 1: great players and keep adding, keep adding competition, and looking

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Speaker 1: for opportunities to grow the team as well.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just before we get to Mike McDonald

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Speaker 2: and react to what we just heard from him, I

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Speaker 2: want to just correct something. I got to do the

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Speaker 2: double check math on this one, Jackson, because this is

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Speaker 2: what happens when you rely on Twitter. This is actually

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Speaker 2: really lazy by me. There's a lot of people in

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Speaker 2: this business that just rip off numbers and stats they

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Speaker 2: see on social media without doing the homework themselves. Like

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Speaker 2: you will tell you this to Jackson and I before

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Speaker 2: the show. We're checking, double checking, triple checking on Baseball

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Speaker 2: reference dot com. The last time the Mariners began the

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Speaker 2: year four and nine, and I went back and saw

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Speaker 2: that it was twenty eleven. Jackson confirmed it right on

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Speaker 2: Baseball Reference it was twenty eleven. So ESPN just threw

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Speaker 2: a tweet out with a big graphic that says the

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Speaker 2: Mariner batting average through thirteen games as one thirty five,

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Speaker 2: but in the headline it says the Mariners are hitting

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Speaker 2: one eighty three, their worst mark after thirteen. So that's

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Speaker 2: a pretty significant difference of fifty points. By the way,

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Speaker 2: so the second worst average it was two hundred at

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Speaker 2: this point last year when they came with an eight

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Speaker 2: eighty three and not one thirty five. But we'll double

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Speaker 2: check that and have the numbers for you. But look, man,

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Speaker 2: the numbers are terrible either way. Either way, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: be bad. So Larry Stone will join us at five

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Speaker 2: o'clock tonight and we'll chat about all that.

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Speaker 3: Hugh Millin's in for Dick. We just had Mike McDonald

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Speaker 2: I thought some really interesting stuff you asked him, you know,

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Speaker 2: for a guy that believed in Dnald from the start, right,

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Speaker 2: what was the point in time where he was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, all of my belief in Sam Darnold has

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Speaker 2: now been double and triple stamped. And I was a

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Speaker 2: little bit surprised, he said, the loss to the Rams

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Speaker 2: when he threw four picks and yet found a way

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And and I think that his line of thinking

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Speaker 4: clearly is that that here we just saw the quarterback

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Speaker 4: drop to about the lowest depths you're ever going to

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Speaker 4: reasonably see a quarterback drop to right four picks. Uh

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Speaker 4: in a division game, vital game at the time, mid November.

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Speaker 4: And I think what he was alluding to is, uh,

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Speaker 4: is just how unflappable Donald was, Like it didn't seem

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Speaker 4: to rock him. That was the you know, Ernest Jones

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Speaker 4: fu moment. And and I think that you know, and

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Speaker 4: and they just said, hey, look, this guy's won a

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Speaker 4: lot of games for us. Everybody, everybody on that team

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Speaker 4: knows the nature of quarterbacking, not necessarily how to play it,

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Speaker 4: but they know it's a damn hard position. And if

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Speaker 4: you have a sucky if you have a bad game,

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Speaker 4: you're probably gonna If you have a really bad game

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Speaker 4: going to be the reason you lost that game. And

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Speaker 4: you know, everybody knows, Hey, you know what, I could

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Speaker 4: might win. But when you're a quarterback and you have

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Speaker 4: that bad a game, you're probably gonna lose. And hell,

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Speaker 4: they damn near won it. So I think it was

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Speaker 4: just the the nature of how do you handle that setback?

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Speaker 4: How does that rock you? It's like not not how

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Speaker 4: are you handling prosperity, but when you you know, the

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Speaker 4: as we said, the ultimate valley. He seemed to be

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Speaker 4: fine with that. I think that in some level he

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Speaker 4: against the Rams win after his second pick down there,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think it's passer rating with like fifty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he uh Donald in that game that Mike was

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Speaker 2: the Rams he was up to eighty four, and then

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Speaker 2: phenomenal game for Sam Donald the rest of the way

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Speaker 2: against the Rams. But look, I was also kind of

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Speaker 2: interested in his thoughts on Rashid shi heat you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, you know, I think one thing we've

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Speaker 2: learned about Mike McDonald, he's never going to throw anybody

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Speaker 2: under the bus, even a little bit, right.

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Speaker 3: It's just so far has not happened.

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Speaker 2: Like you and I were talking off the air on

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Speaker 2: the way in here before the interview with coach McDonald

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Speaker 2: that the most controversial thing that he's done, apparently was

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Speaker 2: taking down those pictures of the Super Bowl forty eight

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's been nothing like, there's been nothing that's

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Speaker 2: ripping the referee, getting angry. It's something I have no

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Speaker 2: for God's sake, So he's really really playing everything close

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Speaker 3: But when I asked about Shiheed, did.

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Speaker 2: I expect him to say, yes, softy, we expect more

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Speaker 2: from Rashid Shihed as a wide receiver. I probably didn't

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Speaker 2: him and Sam Darnold spend the entire offseason together. Because

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Speaker 2: here's the thing about Shiheed. If you just look at

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Speaker 2: the guy was on pace for like three hundred and

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Speaker 2: he was also on pace for almost a thousand yard

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Speaker 3: With the Seahawks. So what happened, right, what happened to correct?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean twelve counting the playoffs? Right?

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Speaker 3: My point is he never had you know, the buy

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Speaker 2: But anyway, the point is this, he was he was

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Speaker 2: his numbers as a pass catcher dropped dramatically. So the

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Speaker 2: question really is like two or threefold. Are there too

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean those kind of big plays. Yeah. Maybe.

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Speaker 4: I mean he had three sounds on returns that were

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Speaker 4: And when the coach talks about, well, you have the

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Speaker 4: you're practicing where your eyes are gonna be. You're not

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Speaker 4: know I still had you know, I asked a bunch

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Speaker 4: an old teammate's like Lway, Marino ak Man, guys that

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Speaker 4: If you've already locked that in with you know, whatever

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Speaker 4: then those and particularly on the deep routes David, particularly

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Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez made a hell of a play. If Sam

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Speaker 3: Farther right, right, right right, And.

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Speaker 4: Then he comes back on the fourth quarter on a

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Speaker 4: reps that he's acquiring right now as we speak are

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Speaker 4: going presumably help in the season because he was acquired

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Speaker 4: on November fourth. This offseason should pay dividends, particularly on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you agree with me that. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's number one. I guess I'd have

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Speaker 2: we talked a lot about the red zone last year, Hugh,

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Speaker 2: and they had that run of a month and a

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Speaker 2: half or so where the red zone was just not good.

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Speaker 2: Would that be a huge focus of yours over the offseason.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there.

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Speaker 4: Was a time there when was it mid November early

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Speaker 3: And I love that. I think it's phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: Please ask me. I'd like to know.

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Speaker 2: I had I would like to tell you, and I

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Speaker 2: That is code for we don't yet know where it's

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Speaker 1: Now back to Softie and Dick on your Home for

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Speaker 1: the Huskies, Kraken.

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Speaker 1: Schematically, I think you know, we we're gonna be the

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Speaker 2: All Right, the voice of Mike McDonald, we'll give you

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Speaker 2: that again coming up in the six PM hour if

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Speaker 3: Addition of Brian Fleury.

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Speaker 2: There, but the mock draft you two weeks from today

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Speaker 2: This is such a big event that we've got clients

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Speaker 2: But the mock draft sign ups are up and running

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Speaker 2: We got the draft, the real draft two weeks from tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I know, Hugh, you've always told me that you're totally

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Speaker 2: when he was on with us a few months ago

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Speaker 2: or whatever it was a month ago. I lose track

439
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Speaker 2: of time, and he basically said, I got to figure

440
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Speaker 2: out am I going to them or are they coming

441
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Speaker 2: to me right, And I'm paraphrasing here right, like am

442
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 2: I expecting them to learn my way? Or do I

443
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Speaker 2: expect myself to learn their way? And he you know,

444
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Speaker 2: Mike mentioned that A the terminology, the system. You know,

445
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,120
Speaker 2: for the most part, it's going to stay the same.

446
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 2: There's going to be some differences and how they address things,

447
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: what they call certain things, but there's not going to

448
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: be any drastic change to this offense, nor I think

449
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 2: should there be. They were third and scoring a year ago,

450
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Speaker 2: for God's sakes, why would you want to blow the

451
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Speaker 2: whole thing up? But if you were to go to

452
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Speaker 2: Brian Flurry and say, here's what I'd like to see

453
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Speaker 2: you do even better than Clint Kubiak, what would that be?

454
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Speaker 3: And I also wonder you.

455
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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask this a Mike, and we just

456
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Speaker 2: couldn't get to it because you remember when when you

457
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 2: talked about Julian Love before McDonald even coached the game,

458
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: you said, this guy is gonna blossom under Mike McDonald.

459
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Speaker 2: I remember asking you, like in April of that year,

460
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Speaker 2: what player is going to blow at the most and

461
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Speaker 2: you said number twenty.

462
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Speaker 3: And then what did they do?

463
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Speaker 2: They gave him an extension before they even saw Julian

464
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Speaker 2: Love play a snap for Mike McDonald, so they identified

465
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Speaker 2: that too that he was important. Is there a guy

466
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Speaker 2: on the offense right now? I wanted to ask Mike this,

467
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: but we just couldn't get to it. Is there a

468
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Speaker 2: guy in the offense right now that you think has

469
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Speaker 2: a chance to really blossom under flurry system that didn't

470
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Speaker 2: do it with Kubiak Ryan.

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Speaker 3: Grubb Well, I would.

472
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Speaker 4: I know you're joining a distinction uh that with from

473
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Speaker 4: Fleury and and and the The intimation is that the

474
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Speaker 4: change would be because of the of the uh the change.

475
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Speaker 4: But I think regardless of who the offensive coordinator is,

476
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Speaker 4: I think that that your biggest likely jump for anybody

477
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Speaker 4: from from what his impact was a year ago to

478
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Speaker 4: what it could be and and I could even argue

479
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: should be is Eliza Roy.

480
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Speaker 3: I know you'd say that to me, is there's.

481
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Speaker 4: Gotta be more there? I watched his tape a ton

482
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Speaker 4: of Miami tape. I mean his number one route was

483
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Speaker 4: a slip route, which which is you you start on

484
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Speaker 4: one side. Let's say you're on the left side. You know,

485
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: in an off position. That's a key part of it.

486
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 4: You're in off the line of scrimmage, and then you

487
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 4: think what's called a slice block across. So let's say

488
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: say you're you're going inside zone to the left, you're

489
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 4: going the offensive line is blocking as if the running

490
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 4: back is going over left guard. But it turns out

491
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 4: it's a boot. You got the tight end from that

492
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 4: off position. From the left, he goes behind the line.

493
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 4: Some teams even call it a submarine route, but but

494
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 4: Miami's terminology is a slip route. And and then he

495
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 4: just leaks out in the flat. Now, he showed his

496
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 4: his athleticism and his running ability in that, but there

497
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Speaker 4: was other times you watched him going down the field.

498
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Speaker 4: So I looked at a lot of tape at him

499
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Speaker 4: at Miami. And then he comes to Seattle and and

500
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 4: he was running routes like Noahfan where he was just

501
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 4: these little baby choppy steps where it's not fooling anybody.

502
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Speaker 4: There's no acceleration. The defender can can almost stay footed

503
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Speaker 4: because there's no threat to speed. Like I thought, it

504
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: was horrible technique. Wow, and and and I'm like my god,

505
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 4: what So there was a regression there. I mean, I

506
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 4: think there's some techniques, uh improvements that could really help

507
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: his game hopefully the uh you know, and that's just

508
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Speaker 4: going from you know, playing with eight Pro Bowl tight

509
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 4: ends and just watching keenly you know what, what is

510
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 4: it about their craft that makes them get the separation?

511
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Speaker 4: And and I just have some some hard, hard, hard

512
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Speaker 4: locked rules. But anyway, get back to Arroyo, Uh, he

513
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Speaker 4: would be he'd be somebody that Okay, you know, that'd

514
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Speaker 4: be my first guy. As Julian Love was to your

515
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: question a couple of years ago, Elijah Royo is my.

516
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Speaker 3: Answer to that.

517
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Speaker 2: Well, I give you five reasons why Elijah Arroyo is

518
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Speaker 2: not going to have a chance to bloss him in

519
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 2: Seattle Cooper Cup, Jackson Smith and Jig Bebshid Shaheed, Tory Horton,

520
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 2: and AJ Barner. I mean he's number six on that

521
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Speaker 2: list right now at best. Right when it comes to

522
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Speaker 2: pass catchers on this football team. How does Elijah Royo

523
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Speaker 2: get his hands and enough opportunities to make that kind

524
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Speaker 2: of progress.

525
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I would focus more on Barner like and

526
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: and obviously you can play twelve personnel and uh and

527
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Speaker 4: and and so then you have Barner on the field,

528
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Speaker 4: you have a Royo and you can run your you know,

529
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Speaker 4: you get in a balance formation. You can go up

530
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: to the line of scrimmage. You can say, hey, we're

531
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Speaker 4: gonna go outside zone left or outside zone right, but

532
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: we're gonna we're gonna call it at the line of scrimmage.

533
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Speaker 4: There's there's things you can do there. I don't think

534
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Speaker 4: that they have a robust wide receiver group. To me,

535
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Speaker 4: you got Cooper cup is aging and I think his

536
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: value is more is almost like a coach. I think

537
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Speaker 4: that Shaheed, we've already underscored that. I mean, he was

538
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 4: on a on a pace for under four hundred yards

539
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: with the Seattle. Now we we we got talking about

540
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Speaker 4: that should change. But I I don't you know, we

541
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Speaker 4: don't know where Tory Horton is. And even if you

542
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: said three receivers that the NFL is an eleven personnel

543
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: league all but the Baltimore Ravens eleven personnel is their

544
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Speaker 4: number one personnel? What's eleven personnel? And why do they

545
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Speaker 4: call it eleven? The first number is the number of

546
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Speaker 4: running backs, so you got one running back. The second

547
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Speaker 4: number is the number of tight ends, so you got

548
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 4: one tight end. And then that those numbers you can

549
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: deduce how many receivers on the field because it's always

550
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: from five. So you got two from five, he leaves

551
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Speaker 4: three receivers. So that's what eleven personnel is. I think

552
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 4: most people know it, but for those for wondering, what

553
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 4: the hell is eleven personnel? So that thirty one out

554
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Speaker 4: of thirty two teams in the league say that is

555
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Speaker 4: their number one personnel group. So yeah, you're gonna have

556
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Speaker 4: You're gonna have three receivers on the field. Uh, it's

557
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Speaker 4: just who's the running back or excuse me, who's the

558
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 4: tight end. And then when you go towelve personnel, which

559
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: I believe is the second most common. I'm almost certain

560
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: of that second most common is twelve personnel, and there's

561
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Speaker 4: your opportunity for Elijah Royal, AJ Barner obviously js N. Yeah,

562
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: and then any combination of the other three receivers. Yeah,

563
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Speaker 4: I'm really curious about Barner.

564
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Speaker 2: Dude, I gotta be honest with you, man, because you

565
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 2: saw what I saw. I mean, you're a fan of his,

566
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean you were a complimentary of him from the start.

567
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: He only has sixty eight targets a year ago, which

568
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: is not a ton for a star tight end.

569
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Speaker 3: But it's also not nothing.

570
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: You know, on this football team, but forty two of

571
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: them came in the final eight weeks of the regular season. Yeah,

572
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean this guy, you know, week one through ten

573
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 2: had twenty six targets and then had forty two in

574
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Speaker 2: weeks eleven through eighteen. So if that trend continues, I mean,

575
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: you're talking about a damn near hundred target guy.

576
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Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to overseell my enthusiasm from the

577
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 4: beginning because to me it was like, oh, we got

578
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 4: the Michigan tight end, but he's not Colston leveland right like,

579
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 4: so it took me a while to warm up to him.

580
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, by by last year, you know, watching him

581
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 4: in training camp, he's a lot bigger on the hoof,

582
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: Like you you stand five six feet away from him,

583
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 4: that's a really big dude. I didn't I think he's

584
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: his proportions are so so unusually, uh you know, like

585
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 4: a wid wide receiver proportions that I didn't quite get it.

586
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: But but then then you stand next to him and go, Wow,

587
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: what a frame on this dude. And so I have

588
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: come to like Barner. I love I loved Arroyo coming

589
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 4: out of college. I didn't like the route technique that

590
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: he was doing in the beginning of training camp. So

591
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: so I've I've, if anything, I've kind of inverted on

592
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 4: both of those. I've gotten much higher on Barner and

593
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: I'm a little disappointed with what I saw from Arroyal

594
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: Arroyo as a as I'm trying to convey in this discussion,

595
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: I'm not giving up on a Royal. There's too much

596
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: talent there. Yes, and he gave you almost nothing right

597
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 4: from a contribution last year, so so it's low hanging

598
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: fruit for me to pick somebody that is gonna floorish

599
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: this year. Whether it's because of Fury or not. I

600
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: I just think that you've got to get something more

601
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: otherwise that's a waste of a second round.

602
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: Arroyo had as many targets on the year as Barnard

603
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: did the first two months of the season, by the way,

604
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: But you.

605
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: Know what, Dave and I don't have the numbers. I

606
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: was prepared to say, all right, I'm gonna come on

607
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 4: kg R and I'm gonna whether it's a Royal or

608
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: the scheme or how they're using them, I'm gonna rip

609
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: the Seattle Seahawks for how they're not using Royal. And

610
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: I said, I'm gonna look at all these tight ends,

611
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 4: you know, Laporta, and I'm gonna look at the dude

612
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: down in uh with the cardinals from Colorado State? What's

613
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: that guy's name? McBride, And I'm gonna I looked at

614
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: about four tight ends and I was like, you know what,

615
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 4: after I put these numbers up, Arroyo is gonna be like,

616
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Speaker 4: way worse than all those guys in the rookie And

617
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be like, this is a problem. And that

618
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 4: was my hypothesis, and jolly well, I'm gonna bring the

619
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Speaker 4: numbers and I'm gonna freaking I'm gonna make this statement.

620
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Speaker 4: I guess what. The numbers didn't support it at all.

621
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Speaker 4: All those guys had had very pedestrian numbers as rookies,

622
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: and they really accelerated from that point on, which is

623
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Speaker 4: another reason to say, hey, let's not be concerned, because

624
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: there's a lot of other young tight ends that are

625
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: that you know, didn't exactly kill. Now, the Porta was

626
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: an exception, but there's four or five other young tight

627
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Speaker 4: ends that that really took them their second year until this.

628
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Speaker 3: We gotta break, We gotta break. You text them audials.

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Speaker 2: Larry Stone gonna join us at five at time to

630
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Speaker 2: freak out at five o'clock on ninety three three KJRFM