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Speaker 1: Mark Madden x Chador Sanders made the Pro Bowl. Good

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Speaker 1: for him, He's perfectly cut out for flag football. To me,

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Speaker 1: the reaction to McCarthy's higher that's the story. I don't

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Speaker 1: guys in person, Shula and Selhouse. With Selhouse, it looks

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Speaker 1: a year. That said, that's still Shed or Sanders at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Here's a theory I got, others got two, and the

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Speaker 1: theory is that Shula and Sheelhaus that those guys backed

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Speaker 1: out because of the steelers outdated methodology, because the Steelers

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Speaker 1: line is this hire is about right now. It's about

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Speaker 1: spurning a resets. Mike McCarthy is sixty two. Old men

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Speaker 1: don't plan for the long term. This is about ownership's

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Speaker 1: desire to win a playoff game now, which could borderline

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Speaker 1: more than McCarthy. This is about the one Rooney who can't.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins went four and oh on their trip out West,

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Speaker 1: Kindle score twice in his hometown. We'll get to more

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Speaker 1: who are the big story in town as much others.

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Speaker 2: And you would like to ignore.

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Speaker 1: It because they hired a fat guy from Greenfield to

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Speaker 1: although he is white, which pleases this town no end.

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Speaker 1: And you got Seattle in New England in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You know, come to think of it, you go back

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Speaker 1: New England. I guess you would have to say this

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Speaker 1: that button, but it's a revenge game. The AFC Championship

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Speaker 1: game got ruined by snow. Every NFL stadiumstad have a roof.

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Speaker 1: The NFC Championship game was amazing, and now Sam Darnold

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Speaker 1: I think New England is gonna be a good team

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Speaker 1: for years to come. Might have got there your early,

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Speaker 1: but that's better not getting there. To be sure, we

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Speaker 1: welcome down to the program. Tom up from and Tom,

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Speaker 1: I mean, why that rebenga thing that kept playing last week?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't tell you to do that. How

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Speaker 2: that happened? I don't know how it happened either. It

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Speaker 2: must be something that you know, mister Friday Afternoon's pulling

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Speaker 1: I mean he sometimes calls in Lake because he can't

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Speaker 1: for how to work the phone exactly, you know he Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Underwhelmed at first, But then as I started to think

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of the one thing that I keep

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Speaker 1: But at least at least it's offense. At least it's

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Speaker 2: We think, yes, we think it got to be we

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Speaker 1: These made his bones, build his career on having a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not just in Green Bay. If you

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Speaker 1: They changed their minds when they hired Wes grimm I

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Speaker 1: Shulo would have been the safest tired where to tradition,

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Speaker 1: Tom you know, the up and coming young assistant, defensive minded.

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Speaker 2: I think McCarthy is the safest tire to go nine

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Speaker 2: you're like, the Steelers need to change and they need

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Speaker 1: People keep saying that they might, I mean Pompy and

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Speaker 1: Get that, why would he want to come to Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: For sure, Tom, But that's the myth that this is

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Speaker 1: Now I mentioned the reaction. Did the reaction surprise you?

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Speaker 1: Sixty two year old fat white bartender from Greenfield. That's

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Speaker 1: an accurate description. It's all facts, Tom, don't forget facts

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Speaker 1: is just two letters different than fat.

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Speaker 2: What the hell you know?

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Speaker 1: I heard a national talk host, like one of the

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Speaker 1: For comfort food, I'm thinking like a three pound meat loaf,

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Speaker 1: You know what's gonna be the most cliched radio we

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Speaker 1: It's cliched, it's boring, and we absolutely are going to

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Speaker 1: do it one oh five ninety x A. Smith said

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Speaker 2: But that's the way the media is now.

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Speaker 1: You lie and you lie and you lie and say

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Speaker 1: Cendrovis and Fisherman. Tom One only wins forty percent of

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Speaker 1: I feel like we should be talking more about the Penguins.

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Speaker 2: So that the Penguins have a plan that's working, and

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Speaker 2: even top three in the Metro at this point with

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Speaker 2: the stranglehold. Well, let's not go overboard. I don't know.

437
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Speaker 2: They look real good, right.

438
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance and I like their

439
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Speaker 1: lines and Skinner has provided a big boost just by

440
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: not being Tristan Jari, who's a loser. Skinner's a winner.

441
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: He's been in the last two Stanley Cup finals and

442
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 1: he's playing the part right now.

443
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Speaker 2: And you forgot the most important part. The rest of

444
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: the Metropolitan Division just sucks, like I don't see any

445
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: other teams as viable threats like the Flyers. Maybe the

446
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: Capitals look done.

447
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 1: The Steelers are what a month removed even less from

448
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Speaker 1: losing eight I say Steelers, yes, well, well they may

449
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: yet lose eight straight at some point. If Will Howard's

450
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But the Penguins are less than a month

451
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: removed or thereabouts from losing eight straight. So you know,

452
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Speaker 1: when you say the Metro is bad, they are part

453
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Speaker 1: of that division being bad.

454
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Speaker 2: But I live in Hope, certainly more so now than

455
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Speaker 2: I had.

456
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Speaker 1: All the X Steelers are tweeting, now you're gonna be

457
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 1: sorry the coach t's gone, except no, I'm not. Tomlin

458
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: didn't get fired. He quit and it wasn't all because

459
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: of football, And they're gonna go nine and eight anyway,

460
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Speaker 1: meet the new Mic same as the old Mike.

461
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Speaker 2: Tom Is Tomlin gonna wind up being a martyr? Oh yeah,

462
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean you're already starting to see that the foundation

463
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Speaker 2: be laid to that. But I think you're right, Like you.

464
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Speaker 1: Know what too, people know the story that none of

465
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Speaker 1: us talk about, and they ignore it when they try

466
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Speaker 1: to martyr them.

467
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Speaker 2: But but I think you're late, Like, at worst, you're gonna

468
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Speaker 2: see the same nine and eight and ten and seven.

469
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Speaker 2: So what's the martyr to them there? Like you just

470
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 2: you changed Mike's out, and if that's the worst, I

471
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: think that's the best. Okay, But we agreeed that Mike

472
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: McCarthy's a high floor kind of coach, so we'll probably

473
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Speaker 2: get to that. If he can solve quarterback, it's a

474
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Speaker 2: high floor for him. That's why I like this direction.

475
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Speaker 1: You don't like if they go with Will Howard, they're

476
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Speaker 1: more likely to go four and thirteen than ten.

477
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Speaker 2: And seven, which might not be terrible. No, maybe that's

478
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Speaker 2: Mike's thinking. No, No, I don't think that's his thinking. No,

479
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: coach plans to go four and thirteen. Then again, he

480
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: does have a five year deal, right, and then again

481
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Speaker 2: he's sixty two. Old men don't play in long term,

482
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Speaker 2: I know I don't. And the quarterbacks, well, I guess

483
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick. I was gonna

484
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: say he's inherited some high pedigre guys, with Farv and

485
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: Rodgers being first round picks. He knows that that's where

486
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: you get those kind of quarterbacks, is that they're in

487
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Speaker 2: the early portions of the force first round. Though I

488
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: guess Rogers did also fall back. So I guess my

489
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 2: point here is defeating itself in the process of it.

490
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Speaker 2: But I like the direction as opposed to Mike Tomlin

491
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Speaker 2: again another year, just because, as we talked about, it's

492
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Speaker 2: offense and he's got a track record of success.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I like McCarthy better than Tomlin. I

494
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: would like right now a younger coach better than McCarthy,

495
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Speaker 1: But at least it's something different. Although I don't think

496
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Speaker 1: beyond I don't know. Maybe McCarthy shows me something on

497
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Speaker 1: offense that I don't think a sixty two year old

498
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Speaker 1: man is capable of inventing, especially given his quarterback situation.

499
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Speaker 1: But I'm willing to watch, and I'll probably be interested

500
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Speaker 1: at least for you know, a couple games. You know this,

501
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: this this ex player thing, tom Them, Martyring, Tomlin. I'm

502
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: beginning to think that could be a black thing. I'm

503
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: not totally sure.

504
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: Now.

505
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: Was that New England versus Denver game the AFC Championship?

506
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: Was it ruined by the weather? Should every NFL stadium

507
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: have a roof? As I believe.

508
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Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised because I saw you tweet that yesterday

509
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: during the game, Mark, and you were getting a lot

510
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: of pushback on it, like I don't know what you're

511
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: talking about. I'm actually surprised how much of a majority

512
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: is out there that thinks that that was great and

513
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: that was awesome, Like, is it just because it looks

514
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Speaker 2: like a giant snow globe, and the aesthetic of it

515
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: like gets us all very excited. It is the ecsthetic

516
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: of it. Yes, that has to be it, because it

517
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: was terrible football. It was run run, run in punt

518
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Speaker 2: for both of those teams. I mean, and it was

519
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 2: awful football. It ruined the game a hundred personally ruined

520
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 2: the game. Now I still think the better team won probably.

521
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Speaker 2: Then if bo Nicks would have played Denver would won probably, yes,

522
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Speaker 2: But you know, I just I want to be entertained.

523
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: And that game was not entertaining exactly the fourth quarter,

524
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Speaker 2: which it was supposed to. You know, it was kind

525
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: of building up to the crescendo there. The game was tight.

526
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Speaker 2: It just they couldn't do anything at all. And then

527
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 2: and you juxtaposed that to the NFC Championship game and

528
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: that was just like completely different sport that you're watching.

529
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: It was so much better.

530
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Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I think every NFL stadium should

531
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Speaker 1: have a roof. The weather yesterday totally dictated a game

532
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Speaker 1: that determined who went to the super Bowl, the biggest

533
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Speaker 1: sporting event in America and the key presentation of a

534
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar industry. And if you think that makes sense.

535
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. Now, how about

536
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: that Wulan that his named Wulina did the dB for Seattle,

537
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: gave La a touchdown by taunting their bench and the

538
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: ref said that's enough, that's enough, and he just didn't stop.

539
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: He had to throw the flag and he got burnt

540
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Speaker 1: on the next play, Kaku, which is the way, by

541
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Speaker 1: the way, to call that play. That's just brilliant by

542
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: whoever called a shieldhouse or whoever their OC is.

543
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's how you do it.

544
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Speaker 1: And that guy committed I think a pass interference penalty

545
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: was costly too. I mean, if they lose the game,

546
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Speaker 1: you gotta cut that guy. It's like when Jari blew

547
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: the series for the Penguins at twenty twenty one. They

548
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 1: should have got rid of him and didn't, and he

549
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: never got over it, at least I don't think he did.

550
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't think the team, I mean they thought they

551
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: trusted him. I don't think they did. And then there

552
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: was some rookie chewing Woolen out on the sideline after

553
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: he did that. I thought that was great, But don't

554
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Speaker 1: you think the vast majority of Woman's teammates thought that

555
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: he got screwed that it's no big deal for him

556
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Speaker 1: to do that.

557
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Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent. I think that they were, like

558
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Speaker 2: if the vast majority of the league think typical ref

559
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Speaker 2: just overreaction.

560
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Speaker 4: There.

561
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Speaker 2: Can't believe he didn't let my dog bark a little

562
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Speaker 2: bit after he made a huge play. I can't believe

563
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: he's so oppressed like this. The refts are a huge problem.

564
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: Raft raff, raff. It would all just come back to

565
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: the RAF. I think that's the majority of the take.

566
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: You're right, not just on that Seattle sideline, but as

567
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: a league. But there's definitely some people in Seattle's locker room.

568
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: Maybe that rookie that was chewing him out, that's like

569
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 2: that MF for Better or Not screwed this up again

570
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowls, I'm going to be livid.

571
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I give that rookie credit for chewing him out,

572
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: and I would have cut him if if you would

573
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Speaker 1: have lost that game.

574
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Speaker 2: And I'm not so sure I wouldn't get rid of

575
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 2: him anyway, or at least drastically. If you can't afford

576
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: to do this, they have a pretty great defense. Maybe

577
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: they can pull back his playing time in the Super Bowl,

578
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: just like you're too much of a risk to put

579
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: on the field.

580
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: Now, who wasn't the Belichick benched in the Super Bowl

581
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: one year? It was a defensive back, wasn't it. It

582
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: was Malcolm Butler, right, it was the guy who made

583
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: the play against Seattle. Then he benched him against Philadelphia

584
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: and the Nick Foles Super Bowl and they lost. Tom

585
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: One thing you and I were talking about during the break,

586
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: do you think McCarthy will be more media friendly?

587
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: And by that I mean local media?

588
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: Don't like with coach t where he kissed Jay Glazer's

589
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: ass and kitched Eisen's ass and that was enough for him.

590
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,360
Speaker 1: Think McCarthy, being from Pittsburgh, will embrace the Pittsburgh media,

591
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: especially Mark Cabali, and they could be twins.

592
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: I don't they really could. I don't know about embrace

593
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh media, but I think it's gonna be friendly here.

594
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,959
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna do more things. I think he's

595
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: gonna be willing to do more things. You think he'll

596
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: come on this show? I think he will well call tomorrow,

597
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: call tomorrow. We want him right away. I think we

598
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: will get him on the show. Don't you don't you

599
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: feel like that's kind of a god. You want to

600
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 2: get the head coach out there as much as you can. Everywhere.

601
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: Well, Bert in their media guy likes me. He's in

602
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: a vast midority in the organization. I don't think calling

603
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: the owner the one Rooney who couldn't today helps my chances.

604
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: But uh, but yeah, I think we should give it

605
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 2: a try. And McCarthy, you know, they would have no

606
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: worry as far as he's concerned. He's a total peace

607
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: done this a billion times. He's a pro. He knows

608
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: how to do all these kind of interviews.

609
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: You know, I still think he's only the fourth most

610
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: famous resident of Greenfield even with this hire. I right,

611
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: Mark Bulger one. In fact, I'm gonna go with I'm

612
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: gonna go with Mark. I'm gonna drop McCarthy further down

613
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Speaker 1: the list.

614
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: Tom.

615
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: I go with Mark Bulger one, Megan Bulger two, Katie

616
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: Bulger three, d Rizzo four, representative of City Crosby works

617
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: with Patrisauce. Buddy Martin five, representative of John Day, his manager.

618
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: That's a big one.

619
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then so where would that put that would

620
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: put McCarthy sixth Buddy Martin. Buddy Martin's his name. The

621
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: guy he's still killing it.

622
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: Have you seen John Daey on the Hooters and like

623
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: on the tours that he goes on to sign like

624
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: a bunch of merchandise and stuff. Well, you know where

625
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 2: Buddy's job put it.

626
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: This way, his work's cut out for him, because no

627
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: matter how much money John John always needs more.

628
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Speaker 2: O five nine the X from the one oh five

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Speaker 2: nine the ex Weather Center. This report is sponsored by

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Speaker 2: Low's Light.

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Speaker 1: Snow expected this morning Today's high only in there, Tom.

632
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Let's get right to the trifecta brought to us by

633
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Speaker 1: Danny's patron, Hogy's Family owned and operated since nineteen sixty.

634
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Speaker 2: That's Dandy's en Route eighty eight in Bethel Park. I've

635
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: got a McCarthy related trifecta today. Here is what I

636
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: think are the three biggest cons in my mind as

637
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: far as the hire of Mike McCarthy is concerned. Number

638
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: three has more to do with the process of it.

639
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: Feels like it was a little rushed here. Also feels

640
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: like they just did two interviews with Flores and Weaver

641
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: to qualify the Rooney rule, and they always had it

642
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: in mind to just hire Mike McCarthy right away. Oooh,

643
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: so I hadn't thought of that. One feels like it

644
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: was a little rush. You didn't even talk to the

645
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: guys from LA And furthermore, there was no reason to

646
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: wait or to worry about McCarthy, Like you could have

647
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: made him wait another like two or three weeks if

648
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: four said now we've got to sign by Remember no

649
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: one that was gonna go and pick up Mike McCarthy

650
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: to be the head coach. So that's number three for me.

651
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Speaker 2: Number two for me is he's sixty three years old

652
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: going on sixty four years old, Like there's just forty

653
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: sixty two whatever. Okay, there's just no runway for him

654
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: there to really have a ten year run of success

655
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: and change the direction of the Pittsburgh Steelers, He's gonna

656
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: have to do it really quickly, and then someone is

657
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: gonna have to take that baton of change for McCarthy.

658
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: And then it just feels like we're gonna do this

659
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: again in about four or five years time, whether he's

660
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: successful or not. And then number one for me is

661
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 2: although he has eleven playoff wins and Mike Tomlin only

662
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: has eight, he wins fifty percent of his playoff games.

663
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin only won forty percent of his playoff games.

664
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: A lot of the things that people started to criticize

665
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin for failing in the playoffs, falling short and

666
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: not being able to get over the hump. That's what

667
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 2: plague McCarthy towards the end of Green Bay two, and

668
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: people say Mike Tomlin didn't get enough out of Ben Roethlisberger.

669
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: People certainly say Mike McCarthy didn't get enough out of

670
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers.

671
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: Rogers choked in a bunch of conference championship fair enough.

672
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 2: And been through some interceptions too in playoff games. But

673
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm still just that marriage. I think you both wear it.

674
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: When you have a coach like that and a quarterback.

675
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: That's the trifecta brought to us by Danny's Pets and Hogies.

676
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Tom I just realized that the initial Mike McCarthy news

677
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: conference tomorrow at two PM, which just f's up right

678
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: up the backside because it just conflicts with the beginning

679
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: of the show.

680
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: How do you think he'll act what I didn't?

681
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: He'll say, like I think, I think he'll express faith

682
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: in Will Howard to get himself over with the fans

683
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: and to do it again with Rooney.

684
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: I bet he's jovial and really greenfield y. Absolutely, he's

685
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: going to crush this press conference. When when Art Rooney

686
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: said to Labs that, you know, he's not worried about

687
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: winning the press conference in his initial statements elaboration, of

688
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: course he is.

689
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: He's going to kill the press conference, but he is

690
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: worried about winning the initial press conference. Just like when

691
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: Art said that he doesn't pay attention to social media.

692
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: The minute he said that, I go, Okay, he is

693
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: and in taking to heart what it says.

694
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: It's a no brainer though, that he's just gonna hit

695
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: this out of the park. You're right, it's gonna be Greenfield,

696
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: this Greenfield. That maybe he'll drop an incline something like that,

697
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: walking the Steelers' practices, bouncing at whatever bar he bounced at.

698
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: Chauncey's the Gentleman's club like a general just a club, right,

699
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: Are you calling Macarthy a strip I wish he was

700
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: a bouncer at a gentleman's club. I think that would

701
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: be a little bit cooler actually, as far as his

702
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: history was concerned. Here the Will Howard thing, though, maybe

703
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: he does mention Will by name and say Howard's good

704
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be kind of mum on the

705
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 2: quarterback though. He'll no, no, no, he's gonna tell us

706
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: the plan, right, He's going to endorse Will Howard.

707
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: He'll he won't say he's the start, but he'll endorse

708
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: him as a guy with potential.

709
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: He'll pump his tires.

710
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: But I won't put stock in that the one he'll

711
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: pump the tires when Aaron Rodgers because he just doesn't know.

712
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: I wonder if he's talked to Rogers yet. He'll be

713
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 2: cordial as far as Rogers is concerned. He'll be professional there.

714
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: I just don't think i'd put stock into him endorsing

715
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Will Howard. I just think that's something he feels like

716
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: he'd do to get over, and it's just the smart

717
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: thing to do. I guess. Do you think he'll mention

718
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 2: Rudolph at all?

719
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 4: Else?

720
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: Still under contract? Yeah, he's here one more year, one

721
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: more year, Mason Rudolph. Yes, if we want him, if

722
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: McCarthy wants him. See, he's actually a very logical guy

723
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: to start.

724
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: But let me tell you, just as starting Howard would

725
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: win over the masses, starting Rudolph over Howard, Oh my god,

726
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: if people were mad about about him getting hired a

727
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: couple days back. Imagine if he names Rudolph the starter,

728
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: which he won't do certainly tomorrow. I think the quarterback

729
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: situation actually is a long way from being decided tom

730
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't shot me if it was like a

731
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins or a Joe Flacco was a.

732
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Stop gap Joe Flacco maybe, I think Kirk Cousins is

733
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: going to be in Atlanta. I think Stefans he's gonna

734
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: go with him for one year, and he'd have to

735
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: trade with Atlanta and figure that out to get Kirk Cousins.

736
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: Flacco's not a terrible call, though. There's just not many

737
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: options out there in free agency to get that stopgap guy,

738
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: to get that bridge guy, if indeed it's not Aaron

739
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Rodgers coming back. Tom uh.

740
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: You saw what Kutch said, like the Pirates didn't invite

741
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: him to Pirates vest which I understand because he's not

742
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: under contract, and he was talking about how bad they've

743
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: treated him, and the Cardinals wouldn't do this to pooh

744
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: Holes and the Dodgers wouldn't do this to Kirshaw or whatever,

745
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: and Sherrington talked and was diplomatic but made it sound

746
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: like they were really not that interested in Cutch. I

747
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: heard the usual suspects that he talking about cutches, batting

748
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: average against righty's and lefties, and how he could help.

749
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: He's thirty nine.

750
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: It's just time to turn the page, not least because

751
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: of the way he acted like a child, because you

752
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: know of no contract, no powered fest.

753
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: I mean, have some dignity.

754
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: If you're done, maybe figure that out and have some dignity.

755
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: The tweet over the weekend was just just so gross

756
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: where he was naming the players from other franchises, and

757
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

758
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Like I said on Tim Benz's podcast, pooh Holes won in.

759
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: Saint Louis, one in LA and he never left, and

760
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: Miguel Cabrera didn't win in Detroit. Miguel Cabrera as a

761
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 2: different class of player than Andrew McCutcheon. I know McCutchen

762
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: won the MVP, but Migie is like a nailed on

763
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. He's a three thousand hit guy. It's

764
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: just a different class. The last triple crowd winner right

765
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Pools might be one of the best right handed hitters

766
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: of the modern era, as far as as his presence

767
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: is concerned, and he mentioned Yadier Molina, who I think

768
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: is a bit overrated as a player. He's a champion, though,

769
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: a multiple champion with the card. You know, you know

770
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: what Tim talked about.

771
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: Tim wondered on the podcast if maybe because his wife's

772
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh, she don't want to go nowhere and so

773
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: he can't switch teams work somewhere else, and if the

774
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: Pirates don't want them, then what's he do?

775
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: Well? I just feel like no one wants him though

776
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: in general, Like I get what Tim saying, but I

777
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: just don't think he has any other options right now.

778
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: I think it's either the Pirates or bus.

779
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't you think he could talk himself into

780
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: thinking he does.

781
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and that he's just doing it for the family

782
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: because he's.

783
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: Because he's clearly acting as if he can't be replaced

784
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: with the Pirates. Well, no, that's that's not the right

785
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: way to put it. He just he feels like he's

786
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: owed something, And why wouldn't he feel that way. You

787
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: saw that Colin macki Roade a week or so ago

788
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: that said he should basically play as long as he

789
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: wants to and then have a job for life after

790
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: he's done playing. If he is, so, it doesn't sound

791
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: like the job for life's on the table just now.

792
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: No, if he's so upset about not being invited to

793
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: Pirate Fest and hanging out at the convention Center, why

794
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: not just retire and then they'll bring you back as

795
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: like an alumni, or he could just go as a fan.

796
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with Cutch among many, because he just

797
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: he over rates himself, just like everybody out there does.

798
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's He's like a dollar general

799
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: level club legends. He was the best player in an

800
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: era where they did very little and didn't get, you know,

801
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: to the next level. They were a wild card that

802
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: never won a playoff series, only won one playoff. Well,

803
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: they won the one wild card game, and Kutch got

804
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: one RBI and all the Pirate playoff games. So it's

805
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: not like he was He wasn't at the scene of

806
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: the crime, as I'm fond of saying so. So, but

807
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: he ain't Dave Parker, he ain't really stars late Roberto Clementi.

808
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: He's not a top ten pirate of all time, maybe

809
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: not even top fifteen or twenty, but he definitely sees

810
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: himself in that light.

811
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: I mean, the list just goes on and on. Would

812
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: you say, all right, Paul Skeins is a better player

813
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 2: pirate than the Cutch was. I guess not pirate because

814
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: he hasn't gone to the playoffs yet, ain't he'd been,

815
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: ain't been in the MLB or on the Pirates long enough.

816
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: But it's already got a cy young almost certainly he

817
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: will be, Yeah, no question about it. A guy like

818
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: Barry Bonds, obviously, even though he left the Pirates was

819
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: better than Mcutchen as a pirate. The list goes on

820
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: and on and on, like it's like seventh or eighth

821
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: for you you.

822
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: Can't say, and like you could say, Clemente played his

823
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: whole career with the Pirates, but had there been free agency,

824
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: he would not have to be in New York or

825
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: LA like like Grain through a goose, same with starg Old.

826
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: Probably yeah, But but Cutch did leave.

827
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Cutch went elsewhere to see more money and rings and

828
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: didn't get it, came back, and now he wants us

829
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: to act like he sacrificed to stay, when in fact,

830
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: he came back because.

831
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: There was no other option. Yeah, and it's just just

832
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 2: just if there was, it was very meager, and there's

833
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: just his no room for him on this team. To

834
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: be quite honest with you, I mean, I don't think

835
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 2: the team's gonna be that great right now. They're still

836
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: a bat short from compending for a wild card spot,

837
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: and it doesn't seem like they're gonna go get that bat.

838
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: He's got bad Gary, you think I think they're just

839
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: a one actual bat away, not mcutch, A real player,

840
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: how real like Suarez. I want to keep going with Aohanio.

841
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I just want to say the name a who n

842
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: oh you know what his birthday was over the weekend.

843
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: Louis Swats, the real Swatsuis Swats. I always tweet, and

844
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: I did on the occasion of his birthday. I've never

845
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 1: had more fun than when I watched Louis Suarez play football.

846
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: And that's the truth. I Like, people say, what about

847
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Mario Mario, Let's say it's a tie. But the way

848
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: Swat has played, the dribbling, the scoring, the intensity, the biting,

849
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean, what a what a great total package it was.

850
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: Up next, we're gonna give you the nuts and bolts

851
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: on the McCarthy high and also talk a lot about

852
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: the best organization in town.

853
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: Your Pittsburgh Penguins.

854
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: There was a video uh Mary O'Connor talked about the

855
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: emergency and the trucks were broken down. I tweeted back,

856
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: f that just trade for Jason Robertson because they do

857
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: look exactly alike him and him and dubas one oh

858
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: five nine. Now here's your chance to win one thousand

859
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: dollars just as you're this nationwide