1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: W CKY Cincinnati and iHeartRadio station guaranteed. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: Twenty two hard radio after four o'clock. 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: This is ESPN fifteen thirty on Moeger sounded unsure myself 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: there for a second. Hunter Sandsom the official bracketologist of 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 3: this show, not any of the other shows. This show 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: is going to be with us at five oh five. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: Hunter is more than welcome, of course, to go on 8 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: any other show he pleases, and why would you not 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 3: want him? 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: But we had him first. Oh, there was a moment 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: he was on another show here in the building last night, 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: and uh, you have to hear it. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 4: You have to hear it. 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: So do you have the audio of this because he 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: did tweet about it. Yes, I have the idea. You 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: haven't now I haven't. 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 3: Now. All right, Well, Hunter Sansom is our bracketologist. He's 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: going to be on at five oh five. He tweeted 19 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: about this moment. I did not get a chance to 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: hear it. Go ahead and play. 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 5: It, pleasure. Welcome back to the show, Hunter Sansom. Hunter, 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 5: how we doing well? 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing great? 24 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Or I am so sorry? 25 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 5: Lance, Well this will be the last time you're coming back. 26 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Now, it's so sorry. 27 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 5: No, you're you're good. I know you're on with most 28 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 5: so it's perfectly understandable. 29 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 3: That's you know, Lance should be deeply offended. Lance should 30 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: be deeply offended. I once, many many years ago, we 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: had Mick Cronin on the show and three times during 32 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: the interview he referred to me as Lance, and again 33 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: I couldn't care less. Lance should be offended. But like 34 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 3: after the third one, it's like, you have to like, coach, 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 3: why do you keep calling me Lance? And he was apologetic. 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: I guess we're hard. We're hard to distinguish from each other. 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, but anyway, Hunter is going to be 38 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: on the show at five oh five to talk uh 39 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 3: bracketology as it relates to a few area college basketball programs. Also, 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: we're going to dive into the lawsuit between you C 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: and Brendan Soresby with our legal experts Stewart W. Penrose 42 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: from the Manila Law Group. Coming up in ten minutes, 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: and we're going to preview the Bonded Spirit Festival which 44 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: is happening in Covington all across Covington starting today. But 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: we have folks who have been waiting, so let's talk 46 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 3: to them instead of hearing me Babbel, Jim and Milford. 47 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Jim, good afternoon. How are 48 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: you hey, Lance? 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 4: How you doing? 50 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: I'm very well played? Thank you. 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: Excuse me, I got a deep check. 52 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: I've been called many, many, many, many worse things than that. 53 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 4: Wow, let's not go there. I let's get some stuff straight. 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 4: I'm an idiot. I don't understand it. Well, that's your call. Lance. 55 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 4: I'll stop with that, Joe. I want to know from 56 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 4: the Beangals perspective, how how the Bengals would benefit throughout 57 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: this whole tray thing. So let's let's use the example 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: that he's making thirty million dollars, so so we don't 59 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 4: tag him and he walks, so that frees up what 60 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 4: thirty million towards our cap? 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 5: Is? 62 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: That? Is that the Bengals advantage? 63 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the money's already freed. 64 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 3: It's it's not like they're going to get an additional 65 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: thirty mil because the contract was already coming off the books. 66 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: But I think they view what they would have spent 67 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: in tagging Trey Hendrickson for this year as money that's 68 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: best spent elsewhere and best spent maybe more evenly distributed 69 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: across the roster. 70 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: Okay, let's slow down. So the other side of the 71 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: coin is they would have tagged him, but what so 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: the advantage to the Bengals would be like they tag 73 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: him but really didn't on a plane they So another 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 4: team would have to match the thirty million. 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, a team would have to agree to give the 76 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: Bengals the compensation they're looking for and then work out 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: a long term deal with with Trey. So you would 78 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: you would have needed the cooperation of Trey's representation to 79 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 3: get something done. And if other teams and if Trade 80 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: for that matter, know that you're tagging him with no 81 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: real intention of him playing for you, then you just 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 3: wait for the Bengals to resin the tag. So you 83 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: could try to sign the guy without giving the Bengals 84 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: trade compensation. The disadvantage there is Trade can then take 85 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: his pick among every team that's interested in signing him, 86 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: where he would not have that freedom had they tried 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: to tag and trade him. 88 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: So if we would have tagged him, and let's say 89 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 4: I heard today Chicago was interested maybe a three year deal. 90 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 4: So if we would have tagged him and Chicago is 91 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 4: really interested, we couldn't use that to our advantage to 92 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 4: what gets some players on defense or a tick and 93 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: a draft. 94 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: More likely a pick in this year's draft. 95 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: Yes, then why would you let him walk if you're 96 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 4: in to at least get something out of the. 97 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 3: Deal, Because it possibly became abundantly clear to them that 98 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: teams were just going to be We're not going to 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: be interested in giving up more compensation than they would 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 3: have to give up if they just waited for Trey 101 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 3: to eventually hit free agency. Or maybe there was because 102 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: bad feelings have bubbled to the surface here between the 103 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: Bengals and Tray that they were not going to be 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 3: able to get the cooperation from Trey's representation that they 105 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: were looking for for him to work out a long 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: term deal with the Bears while the Bengals worked out 107 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: the trade compensation with the Bears. Like from Chicago's perspective, 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,799 Speaker 3: it's like, can we get Trey Hendrickson on the open market? 109 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: Cool, Well, we. 110 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: Can do that once the Bengals put him on the 111 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: open market, as opposed to giving the Bengals what they're 112 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: looking for, which is probably at least a third round pick. 113 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: So if you're tagging, does does that mean we have 114 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: to play. 115 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 2: No, you could resend the tag. 116 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: Now, if Trey decides, okay, you've tagged me, I'm signing 117 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: the franchise tag offer, then you're stuck with him and 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 3: whether it's right or wrong. And we'll know this as 119 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: the next year or two unfolds. The Bengals a year 120 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: ago the Bengals go ahead time out. 121 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 4: So he just said something like, if he signs the 122 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: franchise tag, then does that does that mean we owe 123 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 4: him thirty million? 124 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: That means he's under contract you for one year at 125 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 3: a little bit more than thirty million bucks. 126 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Yes, WHOA Okay, and the Bengals. 127 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: I can see why they didn't want to tagging. Yeah, 128 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 4: they didn't want to. 129 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: Now, I don't think anybody really believes that Tree would 130 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: have signed the franchise tag offer. There's I've not talked 131 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 3: to anybody who thought it was a distinct possibility that 132 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: had the Bengals franchise tag tray, that he would just 133 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: sign the deal. Because he wants a multi year contract, 134 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: and a franchise tag would not have given him the 135 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 3: multi year contract. He wants the freedom to pick the 136 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: team that he's going to play for. He has sought 137 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 3: that for a while so he's not going to sign 138 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: the tag, and then basically you're left with both sides 139 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: staring at each other until the Bengals designed or resin 140 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: the tag, releasing him to free agency, and then you 141 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: get nothing in return. 142 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: Okay, So to me, it's it's kind of like an 143 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: old used car, right, It's like, well, let's get something 144 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 4: out of it, right, Yes, It's like I don't want 145 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 4: some guy in the hand him the keys and he 146 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: just starts the car and drives off and he gets 147 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 4: it for free. I would think, you know, well, at 148 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 4: least give me at least give me a nice to 149 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: wall screwdriver, you know, sure screw. 150 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: I prefer the deal, yeah, you. 151 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: Know, for me, it's just why would you let him 152 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 4: walk for not getting something out of him? But it 153 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 4: sounds like the contract lawyers just make it so difficult 154 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: that it's just like, okay, go ahead and walk right. 155 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: Well, what I would what I would like to think 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: is that the Bengals used last week in Indianapolis to 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: gather intel, to talk with teams and see if a 158 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: trade was a possibility. And I genuinely do believe if 159 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 3: they felt like we could legitimately pull off a trade 160 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: involving Trey Hendrickson, where he goes and signs with the 161 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 3: team that we've decided to trade him to and we 162 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 3: get good compensation back. 163 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: I believe they would have done that. Why would they? 164 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: Maybe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that 165 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 3: they don't deserve, but I it certainly seems plausible that 166 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: after a week of talking with teams in India, it 167 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: became abundantly clear like a deal involved the compensation they 168 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 3: were looking for that they want to exceed the possible 169 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: compensatory pick they would get next year was just not. 170 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: In the works. 171 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: And so it's time to move on, and barring something 172 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: totally unforeseen, Trey is going to move on. The Bengals 173 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: have never had plans for Trey Hendrickson to be on 174 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: the team in twenty twenty six. That's been the one 175 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: constant in this entire thing. It just feels like, and again, 176 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: maybe I'm giving them more credit than they deserve, but 177 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 3: this took hto the last possible minute, right like the 178 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: deadline's four o'clock today. Today it's come out they're not 179 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: planning on doing it. The fact that we're talking about 180 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 3: this today would suggest that last week they were open 181 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: to the idea of tagging him. Certainly neither Duke or 182 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: Zach dismissed the possibility last week, and a deal that 183 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: benefited them just wasn't there. And so in the absence 184 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: of a deal that benefited them just not being there, 185 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: four o'clock today comes and goes, and now Trey Hendrickson 186 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 3: said to be a free agent. Bengals get a compensatory pick, 187 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: and they can essentially proceed with if what their plan 188 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 3: originally was, which was for trade and not be a 189 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: part of the franchise. What you can't help but do, though, 190 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: is go back to last year and wonder what could 191 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: they have gotten in a trade for Trey a year 192 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: ago when they were shopping him, because he asked for 193 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 3: a deal. That's the thing for me, it's you can't 194 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: get a deal done now, Fine, that makes sense, But 195 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: given the fact that you had no long term plans 196 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: for him, couldn't you have gotten something in return that 197 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: not only could have benefited them now, but could have 198 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: benefited them this past season. That's what we're always going 199 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 3: to wonder. That's where I think the criticism is fair. 200 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: Not tagging him this week no big deal, but it 201 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: is completely understandable if you are looking at what they 202 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: didn't do with him last year as a missed opportunity 203 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: to get something better in return than what they will 204 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: get in a year by him becoming a free agent. 205 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: Is UC going to actually go to court with their 206 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: former quarterback? Our guy or legal expert? Stuart weden Rows 207 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: from the Manila log Group. 208 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 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