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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Let's dive right into it.

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Speaker 2: We get them each and every Thursday now through the

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Speaker 2: conclusion of the college basketball season. It's our good friend

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Speaker 2: from Bearcat Journal dot Com, Keegan Nickoson joining us right now.

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Speaker 3: Hi Keegan, Hey Tony, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Keegan? I'm great. I thought I would throw some rapid

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Speaker 2: fire questions at you just to kind of get you

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Speaker 2: ready to go for today's segment. Would you like to

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Speaker 2: do that?

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Speaker 3: Huh, I would love to do that.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Rapid fire question number one.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe Brendan Sorosby's really getting offers north of

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Speaker 2: four million dollars in the portal?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Keing and Nickoson.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Gisel James was spotted on the jumbo Tron on Monday

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Speaker 2: at the UC game against Tarleton. Is Giggsel James gonna

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Speaker 2: play for the Bearcats this year?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Keg and nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. Is in year

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Speaker 2: five of the shootout for Wes Miller is tomorrow night?

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Speaker 2: I must win for West Miller. Yes, Keing and nickoson

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Speaker 2: do you have a educated guest on which bowl game

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats will be playing in?

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Speaker 6: Educated?

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Speaker 7: I don't really educated in me don't really go together

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Speaker 7: very well.

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Speaker 8: What do you know that we don't?

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Speaker 6: Kegan?

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Speaker 2: What do you know? I know, you guys get inside

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Speaker 2: stuff at the barricat Journal. Brendle's probably already got Brendel's

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Speaker 2: already got Brendle's already got a spot booked for you,

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Speaker 2: and probably Springer. I know, So where's it at?

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Let's start on the football side officially now signing day yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and your best, um, let's say, your best summary of

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Speaker 2: the class that you see in Scott Saderfield brought in

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Speaker 2: yesterday would be what.

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Speaker 7: Best summary was more successful than the twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five class.

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 7: I say that mainly because they were able to hold

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Speaker 7: on to some guys that were getting recruited by SEC

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Speaker 7: schools and Big ten schools like Solomon Mathis, there's a corner,

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Speaker 7: Markel Taylor and then Dadrian Waller. They were getting offers

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Speaker 7: from schools like Georgia, Florida, Mississippi State, and they were

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Speaker 7: some of them were taking visits.

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Speaker 3: Others were completely shutting down.

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Speaker 7: Their recruitment and staying fully committed to Cincinnati. But they

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Speaker 7: were able to hold on to them, and especially when

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Speaker 7: you think about their high rated or brute Lance Dawson,

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Speaker 7: who was offered pretty crazy money by West Virginia and

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Speaker 7: decided to stay with Cincinnati, And it even got to

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Speaker 7: the point where he was changing his Instagram profile picture

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Speaker 7: to a West.

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Speaker 3: Virginia commitment graphic.

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Speaker 7: So like he was basically he had told West Virginia

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Speaker 7: and then rewrites the narrative that you know, Lance Daalson

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Speaker 7: is going to be a Bearcat and then they're able

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Speaker 7: to sign him late yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a successful class.

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Speaker 3: Obviously not what.

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Speaker 6: You want to see from a ratings perspective, but.

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Speaker 7: Zach Grant isn't the guy that's gonna look at that

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Speaker 7: judge what the class is based off.

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Speaker 6: That, so I think it was a good class.

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Speaker 2: Just recently we saw the Big Twelve Awards come down.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Walker, Jeff Codwhill, Jalen Hunt, Antwine Peak Junior Honorable Mention,

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Speaker 2: Tengistall Cotton, Allen Sowersby, First Team Jake Golde. When you

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Speaker 2: see all these players earning all Big Twelve honors, does

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Speaker 2: it change in all your view on how the season

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it should have been better.

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Speaker 7: When you have that many guys on the first, second,

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Speaker 3: Because that told me you have the talent to do it.

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Speaker 7: The surprise was that Evan Pryor didn't get any real nomination.

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Speaker 7: I think he had a really really good year and

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Speaker 7: when you look at that list, those are a lot

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Speaker 7: of names that are also not going to be back

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Speaker 7: know what could happen with the portal.

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Speaker 3: So they've got a tall task ahead of.

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Speaker 7: Them to put together a Anton roster given all the

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Speaker 7: all the very honored guys that are not.

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Speaker 3: Going to be here. So I'm looking forward to seeing

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Speaker 3: what they can do with that.

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Speaker 2: Knowing now what it's like in college football bowl games,

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Speaker 2: and I know we don't know where the Bearcats are going,

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Speaker 2: but I would assume, you know, I see that that

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Speaker 2: they got Senior Day and Senior Bowl invites. I don't

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Speaker 2: playing in a bowl game. So how do you view

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Speaker 2: where you're covering, Now, what do you look for? I

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Speaker 2: know you get extra bowl game practices, which is vital

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Speaker 2: to coaches, But does this now just become a showcase

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Speaker 2: for younger players on this team to show what they

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think a big thing you can do is

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Speaker 7: kind of decide what you're going to do in the

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Speaker 7: do in the bowl game, Like say say Maney, Kobe

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Speaker 7: then you say, okay, we probably don't have to bring

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Speaker 7: bring in three linebackers because we're losing Checked England, Jake Golde.

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Speaker 7: I believe that they're just going to go forward with

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Speaker 7: But I think it's a it's a look at what

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Speaker 3: With the team to come back.

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Speaker 6: So I don't put too much stock.

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Speaker 7: In it, Like if they go out and lose, that

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Speaker 3: If they go out and win. It's you know, it's

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Speaker 7: But I don't put too much stock into these games,

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Speaker 2: Is that still though, Like, does it change anything because

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Speaker 2: they lost the last four in a row and trying

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Speaker 2: season or are you fully separating the two.

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 7: I mean, in my mind, I think after the BYU lost,

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Speaker 7: like I think that they put all their eggs in

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Speaker 4: To get in.

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Speaker 7: But I just think it doesn't really change it for me.

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Speaker 6: There's just too many factors.

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Speaker 7: You can look at the four consecutive losses and say

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Speaker 7: that was your best team on the field for those

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Speaker 7: four games, and it was your best effort, and.

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Speaker 6: You guys were supposed to be bought in.

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Speaker 7: But the TCU loss I don't put as much stock

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Speaker 7: into as if you know they were still playing for

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Speaker 7: a Big Hold title, because obviously it would have been

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Speaker 7: a lot different. But obviously the four losses down the stretch.

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Speaker 7: You have to find a way to keep your guys

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Speaker 7: bought in and playing for something, and that just didn't happen.

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Speaker 2: Let's switch gears. Tomorrow night is the Crosstown shootout. You

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Speaker 2: and I wonder, like, do you feel now in covering

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Speaker 2: this game, We've had a couple extra days, now you've

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Speaker 2: you've put more into it. Do you feel the buzz

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Speaker 2: a lack of buzz surrounding the shootout still which is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the biggest buzz being put into the

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Speaker 7: game is probably my boss going after.

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Speaker 3: Jager fans on Twitter coccer. I think if it weren't

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Speaker 3: for if it weren't for that, where would it be at.

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Speaker 7: I think there's naturally a lack of buzz just with

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Speaker 7: the new landscape of college basketball.

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Speaker 3: And Wes Miller like mentioned that yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Like, it's not it's not you unique to this rivalry.

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Speaker 7: I would say Duke and you and seeing large part

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Speaker 7: the culture. But for other rivalries, like you don't get

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Speaker 7: the like cultured hatred for the teams, like these guys

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Speaker 7: aren't playing against.

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Speaker 3: Each other four years.

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Speaker 6: In a row, and you know, like it's just not there.

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Speaker 7: So I think I say all that, but then the

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Speaker 7: interesting stuff happened. And then I look at guys like

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Speaker 7: Since her Harris who's one of the most physical players

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Speaker 7: Gods Tarlotan State. So you never really know what can

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Speaker 7: have happen. Maybe this can be a thing where Wes

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Speaker 7: Miller turns it around and he's here for a long

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Speaker 7: time and Richard Patino has success, because I think that's

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Speaker 7: also something that you have to look at as the

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Speaker 7: lack of success each program has had since like twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 7: and that's definitely had an impact on the rivalry losing

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Speaker 7: its luster as the phrase I've heard.

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Speaker 2: I certainly understand too. When you look at this weekend,

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Speaker 2: championship weekend in college football, Bills Bengals on Sunday, it

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Speaker 2: often it falls on a different time. I think you

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Speaker 2: could venture to say that there's not a lot of

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Speaker 2: current landscape of college basketball and college athletics as a whole.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned to you in rapid fire earlier, though, is

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Speaker 2: this a must win for Wes Miller? Can Wes Miller

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Speaker 3: To a lot of Cincinnati fans.

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Speaker 2: For just sheer x'es and o's that are going to

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Speaker 7: I think you just you really shut down Zager's three

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Speaker 7: You just can't have your best shooters only making like

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Speaker 2: It should be a great atmosphere, a huge, massive opportunity

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Speaker 2: That awesome Keegan, thanks so much, man. We will catch

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Speaker 3: Thanks Terry, seeing Phoenix re.

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Speaker 2: Seagan nickoson urcat Journal dot com. Oh, that would not

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Speaker 2: be great. How about Keigan going to the Blakesnell Lustafa Chom.

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Speaker 3: Would you? What did you just say it would not

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Speaker 2: Phoenix?

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Speaker 3: Why not listen?

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Speaker 2: December twenty sixth, That would mean the team flies on

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Speaker 9: Work on Christ's more work leaving buddy, leaving down on

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna apologize for wanting to spend Christmas with

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Speaker 2: Since three sixty rolls along our number three thanks to

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Speaker 5: You said, Tony? Just getting ready for the Crosstown shootout?

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Speaker 2: All right now? I want you to brace yourself, Bob,

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Speaker 5: been very, very fortunate in fifty three years, you know,

444
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Speaker 5: working with guys like you know, I got a chance

445
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Speaker 5: to work with Pete Rose and his elbow way back

446
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Speaker 5: in the early eighties. I had a chance to work

447
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Speaker 5: with Carson Palmer. I got a chance to work with

448
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Speaker 5: Tony Pike and Dave Pollock. So over the years, you know,

449
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Speaker 5: I've been one they probably lived maybe the best life,

450
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Speaker 5: blessed life of any athletic trainer. But here at you see,

451
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Speaker 5: we've had a blast for the last twenty four years,

452
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Speaker 5: and you know, we played a lot of games, won

453
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Speaker 5: a lot of games. And knowing the athlete is the

454
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Speaker 5: most important thing, knowing what how tough they are, what

455
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Speaker 5: they can endure, how much they'll push themselves, and you

456
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Speaker 5: know that they're willing to play through a little bit

457
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Speaker 5: of something.

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Speaker 4: But yet at the same.

459
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Speaker 5: Time, you've got your other half, the brain on saying

460
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Speaker 5: we've got to protect it. We've got to make sure

461
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Speaker 5: we're safe. We've got to make sure we're you.

462
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Speaker 4: Know, I mean you remember the Louisgo.

463
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Speaker 5: Game where you know, Dustin got thrown into the fire

464
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Speaker 5: after you got hit in the chest that time, and

465
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Speaker 5: you know, the question was, you know, was it safe enough?

466
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Speaker 5: And you know Dustin pulled it off. And so you

467
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Speaker 5: know Dustin Gruzzi, you you know, Zach Klarius. I mean,

468
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Speaker 5: you guys were tough quarterbacks. And the bottom line is

469
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Speaker 5: I knew that, you know, you guys would endure things

470
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Speaker 5: that you know maybe other people wentn't and you guys

471
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Speaker 5: rehab your butts off.

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Speaker 2: How how important when you're going through that process, what

473
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Speaker 2: are you trying to read from the athlete? Because it's

474
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Speaker 2: one thing say, okay, go back out and play. But

475
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Speaker 2: if that player is going out and they feel compromised

476
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Speaker 2: at all, maybe they're not playing as hard as they could,

477
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Speaker 2: maybe they're still hesitant, and that could lead to a

478
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Speaker 2: different injury or any type of reinjury. So what are

479
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Speaker 2: you looking for in those early stages of Okay, you

480
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Speaker 2: can go back out there and play you can go

481
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Speaker 2: back out there and practice, But what are you watching

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Speaker 2: for to make sure that there isn't a setback or

483
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Speaker 2: that that player is physically ready to go?

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Speaker 5: Well, you're evaluating them after every practice. You're sitting there

485
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Speaker 5: with them how to go? You know, high your pain

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Speaker 5: level or your mechanics right?

487
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Speaker 4: Are you able to do this? Can you control the environment?

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Speaker 5: You're in football, well, almost any college sports, it's an

489
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Speaker 5: uncontrolled environment. You do not know what's going to come

490
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Speaker 5: at you at what angle at any giving time. Same

491
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Speaker 5: thing in professional sports. So you know, prior to getting

492
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Speaker 5: on the field, you do your best in the trading

493
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Speaker 5: room to mimic things they're going to run into. And

494
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Speaker 5: then once you get them back in practice, you got

495
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Speaker 5: to look at their eyes.

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Speaker 4: Are they able to go?

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Speaker 5: Are they not able to go? Do they look apprehensive?

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Speaker 5: You know, if they look apprehensive, they're not ready yet.

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Speaker 5: You know, but a lot of times the athlete has

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Speaker 5: you know, I want to say the final say do

501
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Speaker 5: you think you can do this or not? Because you

502
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Speaker 5: know your body, you know what you're pain lovel is,

503
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Speaker 5: you know what you know we're asking of you, and

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Speaker 5: the bottom line is can you can you do your job?

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Speaker 5: Safely and efficiently and protect yourself. Remember how much time

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Speaker 5: do we spend on.

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Speaker 4: How to fall? Yep, you know, because I wanted you

508
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Speaker 4: to protect yourself.

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Speaker 2: That so that that to me leads me to the

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Speaker 2: last point. And I think what it's the most important,

511
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Speaker 2: and it's the mental side, because when you're when you're

512
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Speaker 2: injured as an athlete, there's multiple things that happen. One Physically, yes,

513
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Speaker 2: it's tough, but mentally, now all of a sudden, you're alone,

514
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Speaker 2: a lot more guys are practicing, you're in the training room.

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Speaker 2: If you if you go through something where you've been

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Speaker 2: injured and then you get injured again, mentally, it's because

517
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Speaker 2: there's a point in your mind you already knew what

518
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Speaker 2: it took to get back and all the hard work,

519
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Speaker 2: and now you've got to go through that again. So mentally,

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Speaker 2: I wonder and how you prioritize that in a sense

521
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Speaker 2: of all right, physically they're ready to go. Mentally, how's

522
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Speaker 2: this athlete doing as well? How much are you paying

523
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Speaker 2: attention and how much do you check in Now in

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Speaker 2: today's world, with the mental health of players that are

525
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Speaker 2: injured and trying to get their way back, I.

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Speaker 5: Think it's always been a priority of mine to make

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Speaker 5: sure that the mental side of what they're about to

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Speaker 5: go through when they get back in a game is

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Speaker 5: at optimal level.

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Speaker 4: It's a priority because I can get the best job

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Speaker 4: or rehab in the world.

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Speaker 5: And I've had kids, high school kids and some college

533
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Speaker 5: kids who who basically said, I don't want to play anymore.

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Speaker 4: Mentally, I can't handle it. And so you would.

535
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Speaker 5: Have to, you know, not clear them to go back

536
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Speaker 5: and play and advise them to go down another route.

537
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Speaker 5: So the mental aspect is really critical, and the trainer

538
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Speaker 5: and the pets, they have to make that rehab a

539
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Speaker 5: positive situation goal driven. The first two weeks, here's our goal,

540
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Speaker 5: the next two weeks, here's our goal. And as you

541
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Speaker 5: achieve those goals, now we're ready for the next level.

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Speaker 5: And making it positive gives you that positive experience back

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Speaker 5: to make sure mentally you're staying you know, staying up

544
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Speaker 5: on where you need to be. But the mental element

545
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Speaker 5: is really really important. And again over the years, I've

546
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Speaker 5: had kids who just we're done.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I've had kids come in saying I don't want to

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Speaker 5: do this again. I've torn my a c L and

550
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Speaker 5: I've torn it twice and and now I'm pretty much

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Speaker 5: you know, over it.

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Speaker 4: Then there are some kids who just are they're.

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Speaker 5: Tough, and you can friggin you know, do whatever you

554
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Speaker 5: need to do to get them to play, and they're

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Speaker 5: willing to play.

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Speaker 4: So I mean it runs a gimmut.

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Speaker 5: That's where the trainer knows, unlike the physicians or unlike

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Speaker 5: other people, they know what their kids able to handle.

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Speaker 4: And that's where.

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Speaker 5: The trainer has a solid voice and making sure that

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Speaker 5: they protect the kid and make sure. You know, my

562
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Speaker 5: favorite saying, and I've probably used it to you, I

563
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Speaker 5: don't know how many times. My job is to be

564
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Speaker 5: the VR, the voice of reason, you know, what what

565
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Speaker 5: can we accomplish and what should we avoid and not

566
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Speaker 5: let anybody put themselves into a situation where it's you know,

567
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Speaker 5: do no harm. I don't want to make you worse.

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Speaker 5: And so has that happened, Sure, it happens, you know.

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Speaker 5: I mean, athletics is an uncontrolled environment, and there's kids

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Speaker 5: we think that are ready to go, and they think

571
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Speaker 5: they're ready to go and then the next thing, you know,

572
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Speaker 5: they get another injury. So if we were in a

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Speaker 5: controlled situation, then that would be eating But Unfortunately, athletics

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Speaker 5: and playing games and even practice is not a controlled situation.

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Speaker 2: Best it is Bob man Jean from the University of

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and Novacare Bob, enjoy the shootout. Best of luck

577
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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, good luck to the Steelers.

578
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Speaker 4: You and Austin come over to shoot out tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bob, I don't. I told myself two years ago, I'm

580
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Speaker 2: not going back to the Centas for the shootout just

581
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Speaker 2: because mentally, you want to talk about mental health. It's

582
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Speaker 2: not a good place for my mental health. But as

583
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Speaker 2: we get closer, what.

584
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Speaker 4: Do you my mental health?

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Speaker 2: That's more and more about you.

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Speaker 4: We haven't won there for like quite a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it. You were like twenty five, weren't you.

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Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, Bob, I'll come if you can get

589
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Speaker 9: me a seat at the end of the bench right

590
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Speaker 9: there next to you.

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Speaker 2: Austin's got some things he wants to talk about time.

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Speaker 4: You're more than welcome to come over and sit with us.

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Speaker 2: I love it, Bob, You're the best man. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 5: Okay, guys, have a good weekend and I'll see you

595
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Speaker 5: next week.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: That is Bob man Jean, the University of Cincinnati and

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Speaker 2: Novacare from the game, walking to your seats and partaking

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Speaker 2: in postgame celebration, your body can take a beating from

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Speaker 2: all the activity of game day. At Novercare Rehabilitation, they

601
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Speaker 2: understand how important it is for fans to be there

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Speaker 2: to root for their team. So the power physical there.

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Speaker 2: But you don't need to let X pains or injuries

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Speaker 2: keep you from the game. Find a center near you

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Speaker 2: at novacare dot com today. Since he three sixty rolls

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Speaker 2: along next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 8: Station, you've got to be.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Since E three sixty Mowagger joins us in

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Speaker 2: just a few moments. Quick hits coming up thanks to

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Speaker 2: Penn station here and hour number three. Is it cold

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Speaker 2: out Austin?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 3: What's the temperature right now?

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Speaker 2: This is it as cold as people are are saying.

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Speaker 9: I know it feels I got thirty two degrees on

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Speaker 9: my phone, but I know not.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like people are reacting more and more to

619
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Speaker 2: cold than in years past.

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Speaker 3: People are soft.

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Speaker 2: It's just a soft name.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 8: This is the.

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Speaker 9: Thing, man, Like, we live in this city and in

625
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Speaker 9: this part of the country. It happens, and we have

626
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Speaker 9: been through this. It's gonna be cold every single year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: The feels like temperature according to our friend Jennifer Catchmark,

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Speaker 9: twenty six degrees. That's chili. That's not cold, correct, cold

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Speaker 9: is I think twenty and below. I just wanted to

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Speaker 9: get that out there. A lot of people talking about cold.

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Speaker 3: Thirty two degrees and partly sunny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, enjoy a day like this today, Lee, Enjoy celebrate it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you can celebrate now. I will say it's supposed

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Speaker 9: to be a cold snap coming. It is, I heard

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Speaker 9: with the single digits.

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Speaker 2: Well I was looking at that because tonight Austin the

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Speaker 2: Anderson Raptors. It's right, they try to avenge last year's

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Speaker 2: loss by winning. That's a seven o'clock kickoff tonight, low

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Speaker 2: of fifteen up in Canton, up in Canton, Ohio. That's

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Speaker 2: not that bad.

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Speaker 9: Last year was pretty well, it was pretty rough for

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Speaker 9: those guys last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was brutal. Yeah, but good luck to Anderson tonight,

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Speaker 2: good luck to Saint X tomorrow. It is not cold outside.

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: It ain't cold outside. Also, it is championship weekend in

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Speaker 2: college football. Tomorrow night's Sunbelt Championship Troy against James Madison

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Speaker 2: Conference USA title is on the line. American Championship is

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Speaker 2: on the line along with the Mountain West, and then

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Speaker 2: on Saturday you get the Big Twelve, you get the MAC,

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Speaker 2: the SEC, the Big Ten, and the ACC Championship. It

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Speaker 2: is a fantastic sports weekend with the Shootout college Football Friday,

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Speaker 2: an awesome slate on Saturday, and Bengals Bills Sunday.

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Speaker 9: Can I give you a couple of Nuggets Tonight's Thursday

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Speaker 9: night football matchup? Yes, the Lions have not lost back

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Speaker 9: to back games since twenty twenty two. They're fourteen to

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Speaker 9: oh after a lost since twenty twenty two, and tonight

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Speaker 9: it's a wide out in Detroit, Oh. So do without

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Speaker 9: what you have to correct, do without what you have

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Speaker 9: to That's right. Mulager joins us Now is next for

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Speaker 9: kids thanks to Penn Station since e three sixty, ESPN

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Speaker 9: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports.

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Speaker 8: From the Stacey Heating Temp Star Weather Center. Here's your forecast.

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Speaker 11: Mostly cloudy skyes this afternoon and very cold highs around thirty.

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Speaker 11: Temperatures would drop into the twenties around dinner time, then

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Speaker 11: a deep freeze overnight near fifteen. By Friday morning, we'll

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Speaker 11: rebound into the mid thirties Friday afternoon and just as

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Speaker 11: cold Saturday with highs in the upper thirties.

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Speaker 2: That's the forecast.

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Speaker 11: I'm nine first one of meteorologist kJ Jacobs for since.

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Speaker 4: The three sixty quickits on ESPN.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen thirty was looking for mo It was in the

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Speaker 2: building Thursday afternoon. Hey, getting ready for the mow Eggers Show.

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Speaker 2: A little quieter here today. It is a little quieter

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Speaker 2: for your show. It is a little quieter. Have you

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Speaker 2: been to the conference room where all the leftovers are?

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 2: It's a good place to be. They want to stop by.

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Speaker 2: It's a good spot to be. The Thursday edition of

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Speaker 2: The Mulagger Show in just a few minutes. What do

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Speaker 2: you got coming up today?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 12: It has been said that Cincinnati's Crosstown Shoe At is

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Speaker 12: one of the most intense basketball rivalries in the country,

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Speaker 12: and because of that, it is had its share of

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Speaker 12: unglamorous moments. But beneath the drama, there have always been

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Speaker 12: glimpses of something rare mutual aspect, yeah, human depth, and

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Speaker 12: a rivalry that, at its best brought out the best

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Speaker 12: in those involved. As Bob Hugginson's Kip Prosser one showed

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Speaker 12: Huggins the grizzled general with a glare sharp enough to

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Speaker 12: ben referees, could intimidate opposing coaches like they were grand

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Speaker 12: assistants in over their heels. Yet with Prosser, something different happened.

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Speaker 12: Prosser saw in Huggins what Huggins players always saw, a

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Speaker 12: coach who cared deeply about the person behind the stats.

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Speaker 12: Because Prosser recognized that the real Huggins emerged warmth and

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Speaker 12: dignity reserve for those rare rivals who truly understood him.

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Speaker 12: I am reading the first two paragraphs from something that

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Speaker 12: I have tried to read about ten times since last night.

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Speaker 12: There is a piece on Cincinnati dot Com from opinion

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Speaker 12: contributor Dennis Doyle. Dennis, I don't know who Dennis is. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: I'm sure Dennis is a very nice man. I could

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Speaker 12: keep going, and maybe if I do, you guys could

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Speaker 12: tell me what point this man was trying to make.

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Speaker 2: I've read it twice. Yeah, I still don't understand it.

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Speaker 8: I read this last night. It was late, and I'm just.

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Speaker 2: So you think, like last night, maybe my brain's just

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Speaker 2: not functioning.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I'm tired. I'll wake up in the morning. I'll

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Speaker 12: read it again and I'm like my man, Dennis, I

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Speaker 12: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't It's the fierce nature, but also the respect

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Speaker 2: that makes this rivalry great.

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Speaker 12: The intimidating Huggins found his foil and a philosopher coach

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Speaker 12: who disarmed him. In Prosser's presence, the curmudgeon revealed a

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Speaker 12: best self some doubted existed, and Prosser, in turn, seems

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Speaker 12: sharper and steadier when sparring with the pair of king. Together,

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Speaker 12: they transformed a blood feud into a strange fellowship, proving

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Speaker 12: that even in Cincinnati, a basketball rivalry could be both

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Speaker 12: fierce and redemptive.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 12: Prosser would walk into the press room and leave everyone

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Speaker 12: smiling even after a loss. He quoted Yates, cracked jokes,

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Speaker 12: and treated the game as both competition and community. Against Huggins,

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Speaker 12: has warmth sharpened, not soften the rivalry. Prosser's teams played

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Speaker 12: with discipline and joy, forcing Huggins to respect not just

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Speaker 12: the scoreboard, but the spirit behind it. In a rivalry

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Speaker 12: often defined by taunts and elbows, Prosser reminded Cincinnati that

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Speaker 12: basketball could be ferocious yet Ennobling.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Here's what's happening, Ennobling what the

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Speaker 2: world saws.

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Speaker 12: Curmudgeon was in truth from a man of depth and soul,

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Speaker 12: something Prosper and Huggins players recognized long before.

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Speaker 2: The rest of us.

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Speaker 8: Can I finish? I keep God, I've read this much. Please.

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Speaker 12: Their shared legacy is the paradox of Cincinnati basketball, firing

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Speaker 12: grace Huggins and body toughness Prosser wit and the rivalry

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Speaker 12: mirrored the city gritty at generous, combative, yet communal. When

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Speaker 12: Prosser passed in two thousand and seven, Huggins tributes revealed

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Speaker 12: the hidden truth beneath the scow as a coach who

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Speaker 12: valued dignity as much as victory. As the rivalry moves

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Speaker 12: into the present, this year's Crosstown shootout carries all the

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Speaker 12: fire fans expect. Does it also carries a subtler hope.

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Speaker 12: The lessons of Huggins and Prosser indure competition need not

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Speaker 12: to RaSE character. Toughness can coexist with care in every

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Speaker 12: past defensive stand and moment of hustle. The truest victory

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Speaker 12: is caring forward the dignity and respect they showed each other.

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Speaker 12: Here's hoping Xavier as Richard Patino and Cincinnati's West Miller

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Speaker 12: not only play to win, but also play with that

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Speaker 12: same integrity. So the Crosstown shootout remains a rivalry worth

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Speaker 12: respecting and above all, a rivalry that is fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: If that doesn't get us our recognition we deserve from

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Speaker 2: the Inquirer, I don't know what will.

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Speaker 9: Meanwhile, Richard Patino said this week, my guys literally do

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Speaker 9: not care about the history of the rivalry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just another week, so just a game I want

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Speaker 2: to have. Dennis Doyle, I'm gonna tell you what I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna do. Austin cut that from me and said it

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Speaker 2: to me, we're not reading the night before Christmas this year?

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Speaker 2: Where were we reading that? At the Pie Household.

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Speaker 9: That's the first time, like I had started reading it

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Speaker 9: and I got distracted.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time I heard the like the

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Speaker 3: full thing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And at first I thought I knew where he

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Speaker 9: was going, But you're right, at some point, I'm like,

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Speaker 9: what is he trying to say, I don't.

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Speaker 12: Know Dennis Doyle personally. I've never heard of him. I

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Speaker 12: don't know who he is. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 12: a professional writer. But like, whenever I read something, I'm like,

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Speaker 12: I try to imagine what was he thinking when he

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Speaker 12: came up with the idea. What was Dennis doing when

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Speaker 12: he's like, you know what I'm gonna do? Ye right

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Speaker 12: about this year shootout? This is by putting together about

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Speaker 12: eight hundred words of word salad about Bob Huggins and

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Speaker 12: Skip Prosser.

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Speaker 2: Here we are. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 12: Brian Anderson is calling this year Skyline Chili Crosstown Shootout.

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Speaker 12: He'll join us at five oh five FORDNTBA. Okay, who's

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Speaker 12: really good at what he does, so we're looking forward

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Speaker 12: to that. Also, we have on the show today Lee Sterling,

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Speaker 12: Chad Brendle on the Bearcats will join us. Robert wintrub

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Speaker 12: Cincinnati Magazine as well. At four to twenty. We also

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Speaker 12: have on our show from the National Football League, And

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Speaker 12: I know you're really excited about this from the NFL,

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Speaker 12: Hans Schroeder.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he is the.

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Speaker 8: Executive vice president of Media Distribution.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 12: Basically he's going to come on the show to take

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Speaker 12: a victory lap because of how many viewers the Ravens

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Speaker 12: Bengals game had, Dan Klaskins will be on with this.

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Speaker 12: Hans is also like he works on the schedule, So

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Speaker 12: I'm gonna ask him, like, hey, next year, what Thursday,

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Speaker 12: the Bengal's going to play the Ravens in Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: The Dolphins game comes, They're going to be flexed out?

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Speaker 2: Is that gonna be flexed down? Are they going to

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Speaker 2: keep that bat?

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Speaker 8: Hans is from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 12: I might ask him if he read Cincinnati dot Com

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Speaker 12: Dennis Doyle's.

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Speaker 8: Thought provoking piece. I'm sorry, I can't think of any Sorry,

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Speaker 8: i can't think of it.

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Speaker 2: The scene from Billy Madison where I listened to that

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Speaker 2: and yet I feel any smarter than what I was

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Speaker 2: going in.

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Speaker 8: I tweeted it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, a lot of people like didn't click on the thing,

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Speaker 12: And so what I was asking was, can somebody explain

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Speaker 12: what this man is trying to.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm have you gotten an answer yet?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 12: And look, it may be me because I'm dumb. I look,

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Speaker 12: I get it, dumb communications major.

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Speaker 8: Like I'm not.

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Speaker 12: When we were in those like college classes where we

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Speaker 12: read like high end literature over my head. I have

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Speaker 12: covered my guy Dennis Doyle perhaps could be making a

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Speaker 12: point that is just for a simpleton like me to grasp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if anyone out there can maybe clear

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Speaker 2: it up. I don't know, and if so, take a call.

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Speaker 2: So I read this. Now there's something else that happened.

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Speaker 2: I got to talk about what happened.

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Speaker 12: Went to the NKU game, nor Up Norse Up being

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Speaker 12: Cleveland State nice six straight wins when the Horizon League opener.

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Speaker 8: Playing very well.

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Speaker 2: Darren Horn's got him going.

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Speaker 12: Darren Horn has a really nice, fun to watch team.

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Speaker 12: They play up and down good offensively. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 12: I stuck around after the game. Uh, my friend Shandon

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Speaker 12: minor Son plays on yours and Mitchell since he was

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Speaker 12: a little kid, so I wanted to say hi to him.

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Speaker 8: And as as it was.

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Speaker 12: Doing so, Darren Horn was conducting his postgame interview with

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Speaker 12: Rick Boring and Jim Kelch and when he wrapped up

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Speaker 12: his responsibilities, he saw me and he comes over and says, hey, Mo,

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Speaker 12: hope you had fun at the game, And I said yes,

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Speaker 12: and then he shook my hand and then he kind.

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Speaker 8: Of pulled me in a little closer. Oh, and I'm like,

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Speaker 8: where's this going, Darren Horn.

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Speaker 12: Darren's been on our show, The Good Guys, on our

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Speaker 12: March Madness show before it pulls me in and he

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Speaker 12: doesn't like get that close. But he looks at me

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Speaker 12: and I could tell like he had something on his mind,

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Speaker 12: this pained expression on his face.

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Speaker 8: I thought, like, have I said something about MKAU?

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Speaker 3: And I said you think immediately?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, like what did I do?

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Speaker 12: And he looks at me and he's like, mo, can

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Speaker 12: I ask you a question? And that's never good? And

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Speaker 12: he looks at me and there's a slide pause and

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Speaker 12: he says, why does Austin Ellmore hate me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: And I said, coach doesn't hate you.

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Speaker 12: He's like, well, he loves his alma mater, sure loves

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Speaker 12: beating the chest of a proud n k U alum,

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Speaker 12: but he doesn't come watch my team play.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a reflection of me. And I said,

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Speaker 8: Coach Austin raising a familyamb He's got a lot going

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Speaker 8: on it. So I just.

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Speaker 12: Astin, if you have to smooth things over with Coach

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Speaker 12: Horn because he thinks you hate them.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll have to. I have to work on that.

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Speaker 9: I'll have to reach out to Darren. Yeah, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 9: get to a game. Was that was the the fan?

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Speaker 9: But was it a good atmosphere? Do you see Oakland's

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Speaker 9: coach come out and call out the students?

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Speaker 8: Actually can't I when when n K you beat you

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Speaker 8: C and Northern.

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Speaker 12: Kentucky University fans and alums got mad at me for

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Speaker 12: saying this. My takeaway was that was an awesome atmosphere.

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Speaker 12: I hated that U SEE lost, but I said, I

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Speaker 12: hope a lot of people went to that game and said,

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Speaker 12: you know what, I'm gonna come back. Yes, every time

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Speaker 12: I have gone to an NKU game since, I wonder

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Speaker 12: how many of those people took me up on it,

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Speaker 12: including that program. I do not I don't tell people

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Speaker 12: what to do with their free time and money, but

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Speaker 12: I do think that it's It's puzzling to me that

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Speaker 12: there were like six students in the student.

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Speaker 8: Section last night.

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Speaker 12: They were given away a fifty five inch television Wow,

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Speaker 12: and still couldn't get more than Literally like six kids

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Speaker 12: had a one and six chance winning the damn TV.

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Speaker 12: I don't understand good school, good alumni base love basketball.

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Speaker 2: Nobody goes good.

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Speaker 12: Pros I don't. And again this isn't blaming anybody. I

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Speaker 12: go to those games and I don't go to a

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Speaker 12: ton I admit that. But when I go, it's like

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Speaker 12: more people should be here, more people should be here.

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Speaker 12: And uh, I thought that's what Darren was gonna ask

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Speaker 12: me about. And no, no, no, he went to know about Austin.

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Speaker 2: Ye, so that's fair.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if there's beef.

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Speaker 2: I haven't forethought Austin. I hope you take that to

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Speaker 2: heart and think about that in the next few hours.

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's why Darren didn't come on the show earlier

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Speaker 3: this year.

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Speaker 8: That could be since you hate him, we're done. You

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Speaker 8: come to my game, I'll come on your show.

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Speaker 12: Wow.

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station rolls on with The

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Speaker 2: Mowlegger Show next. Rest of your Thursday.