1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: I'm telling you Boston's news Radio. 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: All right, good evening, everybody, welcome on in. It is 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Wednesday night. We are halfway through the week. Well we'll 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: be halfway through the week really at ten o'clock. My 6 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: name's Dan Ray, host of Nightside, heard every Monday through 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: Friday night right here in WBZ, Boston's news radio from 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: eight until midnight. My partner in time is back in 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: the control room, Rob Brooks. He's the producer of the program. 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Please be nice to Rob. He had a good week 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: off last week and he's kind of getting back into 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: the regular swing of things, doing a great job. As always. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: We have four interesting guests coming up tonight. Going to 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: be talking with Josh Kraft. Also talk with a spokesperson 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: within Governor's Highway Safety Association. Some good news actually that 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: pedestrian fatalities are down across the country in the latest numbers. 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: And also President Trump has waived what's called the Jones 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Act for sixty days. I think he could wave that 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: for a lot longer than that, but we'll explain that. 20 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: Ken Kent Strang, he's the managing director of Americans for Prosperity, 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: but first up this hour, we're going to talk about 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: lobster rolls. Yeah, lobster rolls. Cara Baskin, Boston Globe correspondent 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: joins us she has done all the hard work on 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: figuring out how much lobster rolls cost. Kar Welcome to NIGHTSID. 25 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: I would prefer a Baskin ice Cream Colne personally then, 26 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: And I know you don't run that company, but the 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: name compels me to allude to it than. 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: Any I could afford what I could afford all the 29 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: lobster rolls I could ever want. 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Interest, No problem, no problem. I'm not a big lobster 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: roll guy. I can go an entire summer without a 32 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: lobster roll that. In fact, I could have given up 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: lobster rolls for lent. It'd be no skin up my back. 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Why have they so popular? 35 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: Why are they so popular? That's a difficult question. I 36 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: think that they are iconic for two reasons. Right, they 37 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: represent summer. There's something ritualistic about biting into a lobster 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: role in the summertime. It feels like, all right, I'm 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: on vacation. So I think it makes people feel even 40 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: kind of relaxed and celebratory and there's sort of a 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: special occasion food lobster. As I reported, it's such a 42 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: luxury item right now, it feels like you're splurging a 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: little bit. So I don't know, there's a little bit 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 3: of that special occasion feel as well. But it's such 45 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: a New England food. 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: Well, I was born in Kara, I grew up here, 47 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: lived here virtually all of my life. But I got 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: to tell you, I've always looked at lobsters as these 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: creepy things that I just they don't look appetizing for me. 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: A bowl of clam child or something like that is great. 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, some chicken on the grill in the summertime, 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: hot dogs, hamburgs whatever. That to me is what says 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: summer plus. When you look at the price in some places, 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: a lobster roll can be costing people anywhere from thirty 55 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: to fifty dollars. 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: It is. And it's funny that you say, you know, 57 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: the lobster roll is kind of weirds you out and 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: you're not a fan of it. Because I was talking 59 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 3: to Roger Berkowit, the Legal Seafoods founder. You know, well, 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: you know Roger, he's fun and he has a new restaurant, 61 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: a a little shop at Logan Airport, like a quick 62 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 3: service new place, and we were talking about lobster rolls, 63 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: and he said he I mean, he's been around long 64 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: enough that he remembers when lobster was the food of 65 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: the underclass. You could get it super cheap. You could 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: get two lobsters per quarter for fifty cents because people 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: felt like you. They didn't they didn't want them, they 68 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: thought they were kind of gross. And then somewhere along 69 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: the line, I don't know when they became this fifty 70 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: dollars luxury item, although I have to say you can 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: get them for twelve ninety nine at market Basket. You 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: can get a very well priced lobster role there. So 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: they're not fifty dollars across the board. 74 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: I get that. But first of all, they're they're ugly. 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: They're not cute. Okay, fine, so that's number one. Number two, 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: they're a pain in the neck to have to eat, 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: you have to wrestle with you, You got to put 78 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: a bib on. I don't want to wear a bib. 79 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: Well, your lobster role, hopefully not. Hopefully you don't need 80 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 3: a bib for that. Maybe if there's a lot of butter. 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I mean I would argue a 82 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: chicken isn't really that attractive either. 83 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: A chicken when when there's when there's chicken breast on 84 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: the grill, they're really attractive to me. But the lobster 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: you got to use these these devices to crack the shell, 86 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: and then you use this little little bitty skinny fork 87 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: that pulls this this stuff that might or might not 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: taste good. I don't even know which which end is up. 89 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean that way I've got you air. 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 3: But I mean, in fairness, a lobster roll, you don't 91 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: need to break it apart. You don't have to fight 92 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: for your. 93 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 2: Food work for you. 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: That's the next question is on a lobster roll, I 95 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: assume you have to have chopped up celery and lettuce. 96 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: Is that a prerequisite? 97 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: Oh no, I think that's a terrible idea. No, No, 98 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: celery and I you know, and people also are of 99 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: two schools of thought. You're getting me animated now, because 100 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: people are in two schools of thought. Rate either the 101 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 3: mayonnaise or butter. I personally prefer mayonnaise, but some people 102 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: are really purists and they want butter. I think that 103 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: celery is kind of gross because you're crunching into something 104 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: that tastes like wet grass. I don't need that. I 105 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: just need my lobster and my mayo, maybe a little 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 3: bit of lettuce on the bottom. 107 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: Look, maybe if you're from New England and you're going 108 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: to have a tuna tuna fish sandwich, you better have 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: lettuce and celery chopped up to her. 110 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: And don't ever have dinner with me. We'll get into 111 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: a fight. It's funny, actually, I we did his peace 112 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: about this. It's the globe about food that people bring 113 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 3: to pot loft, I think, and we were talking about 114 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: tuna fish and people like put celery and all sorts 115 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: of weird things like raisins in it, and you can 116 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: mix all sorts of things into it and no, no, no, no, no, 117 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 3: that's an unwanted s I can't know it funny how 118 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 3: strong people feel. 119 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: About I feel sorry for those pool lobsters when you 120 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: go into the fish market and you see him swimming 121 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: around and that is that. 122 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's well, here's the thing too. I mean, the 123 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: part of the reason why they're so expensive is because 124 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 3: they've been in hiding because it's so cold. It's you know, 125 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: we had an abnormally cold, snowy. 126 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: Winter and so. 127 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 3: Right, and so you know, so that's part of the 128 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: reason they don't want to be They don't want to 129 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: be caught. They go borrow. 130 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: My final comment on lobsters, okay, I'll have New England 131 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: long enough to though that back. I think was the 132 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, we tried to have a professional tennis team 133 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: here and someone come up with a great idea. We'll 134 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: call them the lobsters. You know how you can hit 135 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: a lobs? Yeah? 136 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: Oh, okay, that it didn't last. 137 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 3: I guess it didn't last. That doesn't really have a 138 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: ring to it. And I can't imagine a lobster being 139 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: very athletic. 140 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: Well, but if you look at some of the minor 141 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: league baseball teams. 142 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, that have names. 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: It's like it's unbelievable what they named things things after 144 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: in different in different communities. Well, I'll tell you what, 145 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: if you order two lobster rolls, you can have mine, 146 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: simple as that. 147 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll take you up on that any day. Market 148 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: Basket twelve ninety nine. Although Row thirty four has a 149 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: very good lobster role as well, it's a mission market basket. 150 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: Though I know that prices is creeping up a little bit. 151 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: Now that are they Yeah they're not immune, I know, 152 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: but they do. 153 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: That's the story for another day. Carol really loved this conversation. 154 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: You are a great guest. Thank you so much. 155 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. 156 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: All Right, what is my article? When is the article 157 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: or has it already appeared? Because I never know what 158 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: digital if it goes Oh. 159 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, you know what, it was a front 160 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: page story. Can you believe everyone is so cheers about 161 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: last shirt last week? But it is it lives online forever. 162 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and it was a great It was a 163 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: great piece as well, Kra Thank you very much. 164 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: Kara. 165 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: About baskin Boston, Globe corresponded, No relation to the ice 166 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: cream chain. Unfortunately, we all have to work work for 167 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: a lifting. Nonetheless, thanks than when we got back and 168 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: to talk with Josh Kraft, former mayoral candidate here in 169 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: Boston last year around this time he was running for mayor. 170 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: Didn't turn out as the way he wanted. Uh, And 171 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: he's a little bit upset with a piece in the 172 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: Boston Herald today in which he field feels that he 173 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: was not treated fairly as a matter of fact, Harold 174 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: didn't reach out for a comment on a story which 175 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: he featured, probably and we talked with Josh Kraft right 176 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: after the break. 177 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 5: It's Night Side with Ray. 178 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: Boston's News Radio. 179 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: Delighted to welcome Josh Kraft back to the nightside microphone. Josh, 180 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: it's been a few months since we've been on the 181 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: air here together. A lot has changed. You're doing some 182 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: interesting things, which at some point we're going to talk 183 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: about in greater length. But there was a story in 184 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: Today's Boston Herald which was titled if I'm Not Mistaken White. 185 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: It's about talking about White Stadium and talks about the 186 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: Craft Group. Back's Boston's three hundred and twenty five million 187 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: dollars White Stadium rebuilt after Josh Craft's Craft hammered Michelle 188 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: wou for that during the mayor oal race. And you 189 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: made the point to me this morning, which is a 190 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: pretty simple point. Josh Craft is not the Craft Group. 191 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: You are an individual. You have you changed your opinion 192 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: on White Stadium. 193 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: Dan, great to be on again, Thanks for having me. 194 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 4: And look, as I've said many times, I love my 195 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: family do anything for him. That doesn't mean we agree 196 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 4: on everything White Stadium. In this case, we do not 197 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: agree on. My position has not changed on White Stadium. 198 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 4: I think it's not I think it's horrible for the 199 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 4: city of Boston, horrible for the residents that live around 200 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:38,359 Speaker 4: Franklin Park. And it's just I'm all for public private partnerships, 201 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: but this is a bad public private partnership. And I 202 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 4: just I don't want to cut you off, just gonna 203 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: just rattle through here. 204 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: Well, one of the things I wanted to ask you 205 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: about is do you think those trees are ever coming back? 206 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, look, Dan, I'm not the low axe, but 207 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 4: I'm going to speak for the Franklin Park trees. One 208 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 4: hundred and forty eight trees, all of many of them 209 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 4: one hundred years old or older, being taken down at 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: an Olmstead park that has been enjoyed by generations of families, 211 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: many black and brown families in the city. And just 212 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 4: the fact that you're taking down one hundred and forty 213 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 4: eight trees from the park, it's just it just doesn't 214 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 4: make sense to me. From an old Stead park, from 215 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: any park, does not make sense. 216 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: Well, it's not only from the park, but of course 217 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: those trees are gone from the neighborhood, which we all 218 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: hear about what they call urban deserts, where there's so 219 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: much concrete and heat builds up in the area. If 220 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: you're living out in the leafy suburbs with elm trees everywhere, 221 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: it's a little different. And that's part of the tragedy. 222 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: Did you ever think that the price tag on this 223 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: project would get to three hundred and twenty five million dollars? 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: It didn't start out that way. 225 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: No, you know, I've I think it started out actually 226 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 4: way way back at ten million, fifty million. And look 227 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 4: now it's one hundred and thirty five million dollars from 228 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: the city's end. And let's be clear, I am a 229 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 4: Boston resident. I don't support this one hundred and thirty 230 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 4: five million dollars coming out of the school capital budget. 231 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 4: Decades of annual debt service. So it's more than one 232 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: hundred and thirty five million dollars DAN. And here's the thing. 233 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: We've been reading about fiscal challenges that the city's facing. 234 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: I know, tens of millions of dollars bps budget is short. 235 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: They're talking about these freezes at City Hall, but they're 236 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 4: going to borrow this money with debts. One hundred and 237 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 4: thirty five million dollars to build the stadium. It just 238 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 4: is it's not great fiscal sense and a challenging fiscal time. 239 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 4: And you know I mentioned the tree, and the other 240 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: thing is this is a neighborhood. You know, like you said, 241 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 4: you're taking these trees down from a neighborhood where generations 242 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: of families, predominantly black and brown families have used this park, 243 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 4: enjoyed this park, and it just just feels like it's 244 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 4: being you know, forced upon the community. We've already read 245 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: all the traffic studies and you know, how are people 246 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: getting into the game. It's just just doesn't make sense 247 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 4: to me. It's I'm all for public private partnerships, but 248 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 4: this is a bad public private partnership for the residents 249 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 4: of Boston. 250 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Okay, So why did your comments get included in this 251 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: story in the Herald this morning? I know when we 252 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: talked this morning, you were upset that you, in effect, 253 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: by not being quoted, we're linked with the Craft group, 254 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: and it almost made you look as if to the 255 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: to the asual reader that you have somehow changed your 256 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: mind when you're not a part of the Craft. If 257 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: you shared the same name you're a family member, but 258 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: that's that's not something that you're a part of, and 259 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: people don't quite understand that. 260 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 4: Well. I spent a lot of time saying that. Whether 261 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 4: here's another example. The other was the support of Donald 262 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 4: Trump other business issues. I've always said, I've done my 263 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 4: own thing. I love my family, will do anything for family. 264 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 4: That doesn't mean I agree with everything and that my 265 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: family does. And I know they don't agree with everything 266 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 4: I do. I mean, that's like every family in the world. 267 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: But yeah, I tried to make that point and this 268 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: morning again that I'm completely separate. And then this morning 269 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 4: I was shocked when I read the article. Nobody called 270 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 4: me to get my opinion, and you know, Dan taking 271 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 4: it to the big picture. I've I always thought that journalists, 272 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: be they reporters, pallenis opinion writers. I always thought they 273 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 4: had a responsibility or they took the responsibility seriously, the 274 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 4: responsibility to their readers. Technically, that's who they work for. 275 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 4: And when you do that, you got to give every 276 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: side of the story. Even if you tend to take 277 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: your stories one side, you always have to do your homework. 278 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 4: You have that responsibility to your readers to show all 279 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 4: the sides, and you can pick your side, but you 280 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: got to show all the sides. And sadly, over the 281 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: last year, I've realized I guess I was the naive 282 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: one who thought that was reality, but unfortunately, sadly, in 283 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: today's day and age, it's definitely not reality was maybe 284 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 4: thirty years ago. And I think Gala Colleague is just 285 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: another example. I don't think she took the responsibility. You know, 286 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 4: she implied something without having spoken, without having. 287 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: For those who don't know all the party, Gaylor was 288 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: the reporter for the Boston Harold. She's been on my 289 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: show before. So you're telling me that that you did 290 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: not know that this story was being now yesterday And 291 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: when you woke up today, did someone call you and say, hey. 292 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: Josh, No, I no, I saw it on my computer. 293 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: Popped up on my computer. Yeah okay, And I was 294 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 4: like what. And you know, I had discussion with my family, 295 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 4: as I did throughout the campaign on things that I 296 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: disagreed with them on, and I said, look, I don't care. 297 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 4: I think I've already gone into why it's not a 298 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: great partnership deal for the residents of Boston, especially those 299 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 4: who lived there. But really all the taxpayers in the city. 300 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: And again, I just feel like if someone's going to 301 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 4: write something and insinuate something in writing, it's good to 302 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 4: speak to everyone involved. I think that journalists have that 303 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 4: that is their responsibility and they owe it to the 304 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: people that read their stories subscribe to their stories. And 305 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 4: again I was a naive one who thought that was reality, 306 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 4: but I after, you know, I learned over the last 307 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 4: year so that that's not always the case. 308 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: I mean, as the Herald reached out to you today 309 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: and said, hey, we'd like to get some comments for you, 310 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: for a follow up or anything. 311 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 4: No, no, okay. 312 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: Well, people who are listening now know for certain that 313 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: you have not changed your position. You have the same 314 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: doubts and concerns and really sadness over what has happened 315 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: to Franklin Park with this revitalization of White Stadium. The 316 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: other thing, of course, is that the young football players 317 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: from the Boston public schools, they're going to have a 318 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: very in season. They won't be met playing as many 319 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: games in Franklin Park because of the the soccer season 320 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: will will last, you know, a little bit longer than 321 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: uh than you would have expected. Josh, I hope to 322 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: hear more from you on this. I hope the Herald 323 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: maybe follows up with you on this so that that 324 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: they leave no questions in the minds of their readers 325 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: as to that you have not changed your position. You 326 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: still are skeptic, and if you had been mayor this, 327 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: this probably would not have happened. So I appreciate you sharing, 328 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, re emphasizing the points tonight and if if, if. 329 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to get into a fight with the Herald, 330 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: because I I think we need two newspapers in Boston. 331 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: And I say that a lot. I don't know, you know, 332 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: maybe maybe the reporter tried to reach you, reach you, 333 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: maybe had a bad phone number. I don't know. Hopefully 334 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: they'll be in touch with you. 335 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 4: And I know, ye Dan, Yeah that could Dan, that 336 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 4: could be the case. But I'll i'll uh, let's see 337 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: what happens. I'll bet you a chocolate chip cookie uh 338 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 4: and hot chocolate. 339 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 1: Okay, you're on. No, I don't know, I have no, 340 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm not. I just think it would be the right 341 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: thing to do, that's all. And I know Joe Drounell, 342 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: who's the editor over there. I think they'll I don't 343 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,959 Speaker 1: I have no inside information. Trust me on that, but 344 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: obviously you're upset about it. I appreciate you. You you 345 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: set the record straight for my listeners as always. And uh, 346 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: when you want to get back and talk about what 347 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: future plans. I I understand that you have some things 348 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: in the in the developmental stage. I'd love to love 349 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: to talk to you about that whenever it's ready to 350 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: go public. 351 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 4: Okay, of course, Dan, thank you and you you have 352 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: a great night. I hope it's a great show. I 353 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 4: know it will be. 354 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: Thank you much. I appreciate all right, man, thanks, thank 355 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: thank you very much. All Right, now, we got to 356 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: take a quick break for news at the bottom of 357 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: the hour, as everybody understands that, and we come back 358 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: when it talks about some good news, and that is 359 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: that pedestrian deaths are down. Most recent figures come for 360 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: the first half of twenty twenty five, down by eleven percent. 361 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: Going in the right direction. Coming back on Nightside. You're 362 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: on Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio. 363 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: Every once in a while, people say to me, the 364 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: news only covers bad stories, they don't cover good stories. Well, 365 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: here's a good story. I know this is not technically 366 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: a news story, but it was when it was when 367 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: we broke it. Joining me is Adam Snyder. Adam Snyder, 368 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightside. 369 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 5: How are you, sir, Hey, Dan, I'm great. Thanks for 370 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 5: having me beople. 371 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: A spokesperson with the Governor's Highway Safety Association. Is that 372 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: something that every state contributes to and supports or just 373 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: say the name because a few governors I've often wondered. 374 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 5: That, yeah, we represent this, we represent the state highway 375 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 5: safety offices and all the states and territories all across 376 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 5: the country. But what we're really about is keeping people 377 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 5: safe on the road. That's the bottom line. There's a 378 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 5: lot of big names and words in Washington, but what 379 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 5: we're about just trying to protect people and keep people 380 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 5: safe on the road and get everyone home safe at 381 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 5: the end of the day. 382 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: Well, I was surprised to find out again according to 383 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: the statistics that in the first half of twenty twenty five, 384 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: that's the latest that we have reliable statistics for, even 385 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: though we're just now ending the first quarter of what 386 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: would be the actual calendar year twenty twenty six. So 387 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: this is from January to June of last year, that 388 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: there were threeenty and twenty four people killed at in 389 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: pedestrian accidents while walking during that period of time. It's 390 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: an average of sixteen a day. But the good news 391 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: it's an eleven percent decline from the same period the 392 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: year before. I had no idea that that many people 393 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: in this country were killed while walking. That's a frightening statistic. 394 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, it really is. Going out to take a walk 395 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 5: should not be a death sentence, and so many of 396 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: these people are just trying to live their day. I mean, 397 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 5: the thing is where where we're all pedestrians at some 398 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 5: point in the day. I mean it's you know, you're 399 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 5: in Boston and I'm here in Washington, d C. But 400 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 5: there's folks in rural communities and all across the country 401 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 5: that are pedestrians at some point during the day. And 402 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 5: it's really really unacceptable. The progress and momentum we've seen 403 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 5: lately is wonderful. So sort of where we're at now 404 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 5: is how do we seize on that and how do 405 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 5: we continue that and try to try to make it 406 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 5: even safer for people walking. 407 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and by the way, I don't think that all 408 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: of the pedestrian accidents are the fault of motorists. I 409 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: was driving yesterday. I spoke to a business school class 410 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: at Boston University yesterday afternoon, and when I left the 411 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: school and I went to law school there. So I 412 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: know this road very well, Commonwealth Avenue, and I'm driving 413 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: very carefully. It's the road just a little slippery. Were 414 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: stopped at a red light and the light turns green 415 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: and I start to, you know, accelerate. I actually was 416 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: the first that would have gone through the intersection in 417 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: one of the lanes, and a young student, I think 418 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: it was a woman, but I can't be sure, had 419 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: a hoodie up, looked in the opposite direction and ran 420 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: out as the light turned. If I had not noticed, 421 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: if I had not, if I had been, you know, 422 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 1: doing something in my mind or daydreaming, I would hit 423 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: her and it would have been a pedestrian accident. But 424 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, she never looked. I don't 425 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 1: know what she was looking at, because after the intersection 426 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: it was pretty clear I don't understand it. And I 427 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: beeped my horn pretty loudly just to shake her up, 428 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: and she never turned her head. It was frightening. It 429 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: was It's the closest what I've come to actually striking 430 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: a knock on wood. I don't want to jinx myself, 431 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: but closest I've ever come, what percentage of do you 432 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: guys investigate these accidents and find out what percentage are 433 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: the fault of drivers or or or what percentage of 434 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: the fault of pedestrians. 435 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 5: We don't really break it down necessarily that way, because 436 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 5: you know it's i'd say to post simplay. I guess 437 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: we're not necessarily about blame. We're sort of trying to 438 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 5: figure out solutions. I want to stop though. Kudos first off, 439 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 5: kudos to you for being an attentive driver, for focusing 440 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 5: on the road and your surroundings. Oh my gosh, yes, 441 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 5: that's I can't imagine what would have happened if you 442 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 5: had been distracted looking at your own or something like that. 443 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 5: When when that had happened. So, I mean, that's why 444 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 5: we tell everyone again, not as much about blame. Just 445 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 5: encourage everyone, drivers, pedestrians, bicyclists. I've got two young kids 446 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 5: here that they're walking around in Washington, d C. And 447 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 5: we got you know, we got a lot of bad 448 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 5: drivers here too, So you know, whoever you are, I mean, 449 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 5: just I encourage everyone to focus on your surroundings. You 450 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 5: have in mind, you know, yeah, put put everything else 451 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 5: aside and focus on getting there safely. 452 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: Can You had bad drivers from all over the country, 453 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: between members of Congress and the Senate and staffers, and 454 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to put you in any sort of 455 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: trouble here, But in Boston, most of our drivers are 456 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: Boston based. Yeah, there's something from out of town, but 457 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: you got you have a veritable panoply of license plates 458 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. So let us come back to Uh, 459 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: there's some tips that that you folks share with drivers 460 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: and also with pedestrians. Obviously, people need to be aware 461 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: of their surroundings because it's almost like that plane that 462 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: crashed at Laguati or the other night and ran into 463 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: the fire truck. If someone had been a little more attentive, 464 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: maybe the fire truck would not have crossed. Maybe they 465 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: didn't see the plane. It just seems to me that 466 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: to take that extra second just to make sure that 467 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: person is not going to step off the sidewalk. I 468 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: get concerned when I see people walking. Now they have 469 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the right to walk in the crosswalk, okay, they have 470 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the right, but they never even look. And there are 471 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: people who are driving who aren't paying attention. And you know, 472 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: I always if I'm going through a crosswalk, even though 473 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: I have the right and the light is in my 474 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: I make it a point to kind of nod at 475 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: the person and give them a little thumbs up or 476 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: a little wave thank you very much. I'm kind of 477 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: saying thank you very much, not only for not hitting me, 478 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: put also for stopping for me and allowing me to 479 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 1: proceed through the crosswalk. I wish more people would do that, 480 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: and they just don't. 481 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually do the same thing when I'm walking around, 482 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 5: and also as a driver, you know, thinking about this 483 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 5: from both sides, drivers can sort of motion to people 484 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 5: to cross, or if your windows down, especially as the 485 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 5: weather is starting to warm up a little bit, you know, 486 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 5: say hey to someone as there they're crossing in the crosswalk. 487 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 5: So completely agree with you on that, that that that 488 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 5: really goes both ways. I mean in terms of tips, 489 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 5: I mean, the tragedy in New York was just awful, 490 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 5: but I mean in terms of tips for drivers especially, 491 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 5: it's just be safe, don't you know. It's fairly basic, 492 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 5: but unfortunately too many people don't listen to this advice. 493 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 5: Don't speed follow the speed limit, don't don't drive drunk, 494 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 5: don't drive after you've done drugs. Put the cell phone 495 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 5: the way, you know, focus on your surroundings, same sorts 496 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 5: of things. For people walking, you know, you follow crosswalks, 497 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 5: you know, follow follow the traffic signals the same way. 498 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 5: Drivers need to follow red and green lights. Pedestrians should, 499 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 5: people walking around should should follow the crosswalk signals. I mean, 500 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 5: it's fairly simple stuff. It's just tough for some people 501 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 5: to follow. And unfortunately, something as simple as a speeding driver, 502 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 5: which seems, you know, not that big a deal to 503 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 5: some people, and then a distracted pedestrian which happens all 504 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 5: the time, you combine those two things, and unfortunately that 505 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 5: can result in a serious injury or death, and that 506 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 5: that happens across all across this country way too often as. 507 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: A matter of fact. Find final point, if if it's 508 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: okay with you, Ken, is that the representative of the 509 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: I can't excuse me. Adam, the representative of the NTSB 510 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: National Transportation Safety Board, said that whenever something like that 511 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: has happened at Laguadia, it's a series of mistakes that 512 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: all happened to coincide. She emphasized that, yeah, yeah, there's 513 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: a series of mistakes, and I think the same goes 514 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: with with what we're talking about tonight. Adam, thank you 515 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: so much. I appreciate having you on, and that's good news. 516 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: And when you get the numbers for the for the 517 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: second half of twenty twenty five, particularly if they're good, 518 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: we'd love to bring you back. 519 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 5: Okay, definitely, we're optimistic that they will be. And I 520 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 5: hope you stay safe both walking and driving out there. 521 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: Dan, right back at you, Adam Snyder, the spokesperson of 522 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: the Governor's Highway Safety Association. How can folks get some 523 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: more information that you guys must have. Everybody has a website, 524 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: so give us your website. 525 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 5: Yes, GHSA dot orget perfect. 526 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: For Governor's Highway Safety Association GHSA dot org. Thanks Adam. 527 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk again Gray. 528 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 5: Thank you. 529 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: Dan. Take care when we come back to talk about 530 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,959 Speaker 1: an act that probably none of us had ever heard of, 531 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: called the Jones Act, that has now been waived by 532 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: President Trump for sixty days. This I think was a 533 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: no brainer. We'll talk with Kent Strang, the managing director 534 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: for Americans for Prosperity right after the break. You're on 535 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on w Beaz, Boston's News Radio. 536 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Delighted to welcome to Night's side, Kent Strang. Mister Strang 537 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: is the managing director for Americans for Prosperity and Kent, 538 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: why don't you explain to us exactly what Americans for 539 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: Prosperity advocates. 540 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: Well, it's great to be with you, Dan, thank you 541 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 2: so much for having me. Americans for Prosperity is a 542 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: nationwide grassroots organization that advocates for limited government and principles 543 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: and freedom and on economic issues. And the number of 544 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: is if we are state chapter based of thirty nine 545 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: permanent state chapters across the country. 546 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the issue that we want to 547 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: talk about. I think I probably had heard of the 548 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: Jones Act, that I never would have known what it 549 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: was or for that matter, why it ever became law. 550 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: The President has waived the Jones Act for sixty day 551 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: days to free up the flow of oil to and 552 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: from US ports. Tell us what the acts the Jones 553 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: Act prohibits, Maybe a little legislative history as to how 554 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: whatever came to being, and then what is the President 555 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: accomplishing here by waving it for sixty days? And why 556 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: not wave it for a lot longer. 557 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: Well that sounds great. Well maybe hard to believe, but 558 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: it can cost more to move oil inside the United 559 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: States to get it from overseas. And why it's because 560 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 2: of a one hundred year old law called the Jones Act. 561 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 2: So here's the rule, or here's the law that to 562 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: move oil between US ports, it has to be moved 563 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: on ships that are built in the United States, owned 564 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: by Americans, and crewed by Americans. And so that might 565 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: sound patriotic, but not really. It's protectionism. And what it 566 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: does is it limits supply, It flows deliveries, and it 567 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 2: drives up costs for Americans at the pump and even 568 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: fertilizer costs on the farm. And as the United States 569 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: as a world leader in liquid natural gas or LNG, 570 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,719 Speaker 2: it limits our ability to even ship LNG to places 571 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: like Puerto Rico or to Hawaii, places where we don't 572 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 2: have pipelines, and so it artificially increases the costs. And 573 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 2: so when we have conflicts in Iran or other places 574 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: where we have natural disasters, things like the Jones Actus 575 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: becomes temporarily paused. And so the question we should be 576 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 2: asking ourselves if is it pausing the Jones acts lowers prices. Now, 577 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 2: why are we keeping it at all in this relic 578 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: of one hundred years ago. 579 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: Well, obviously they were you know, protectionist influences in Congress. 580 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: I guess at that time. I don't know. I never 581 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: want to put people on the spot, But who was 582 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: the president that signed this in aquin as them into law. 583 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: You're putting me on this spot to think back one 584 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 2: hundred years of who was the president. But I believe 585 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: that it's happened after World War One, and it was 586 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: probably a maritime lobby to try to make sure that 587 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 2: we had a shipping and there was probably at the 588 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: time a really good idea for it. But as technology 589 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 2: advances and it becomes clear that our economy has changed 590 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 2: and it's much less expensive to build ships elsewhere than 591 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: it is in the United States, and to build infrastructure 592 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,719 Speaker 2: different places. It's kind of an archaic law, and you know, 593 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 2: in times of natural emergencies and things, we want to 594 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: be able to have the resources we need here in 595 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: America rather than relying on kind of a one hundred 596 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: year old law that we just can't get what we need. 597 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: And so if we're moving oil from Texas to say Boston, 598 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: it's more expensive to do that than this to get 599 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: to get it from overseas, and so we should eliminate 600 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 2: this law. Congress has an opportunity to do it. It's 601 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: good that President Trump has put a sixty day suspension 602 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: on it gas prices as we deal with the conflict 603 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: in Iran. 604 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 1: So it was signed into law in nineteen twenty, which 605 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: I guess is going to mean that that must have 606 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: been Wilson. 607 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: I'm guessing that found was about right. And we had 608 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 2: put Jones to act the waivers for Hurricane Katrina, Hurricane Rita, 609 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: Hurricane Sandy, Harvey, IRV Fiona. There had been there have 610 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: been times where we paused the Jones Act, and so 611 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: we do this in times of crisis and natural disasters. 612 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: And it's time to just be done with it. And 613 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 2: Congress could eliminate it, and they probably should move forward 614 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: with that now. 615 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: It it was just funny here. It was signed into 616 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: law by Woodrow Wilson on June fifth. It was introduced 617 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: and therefore named for a great senator who has long forgotten, 618 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: someone named Wesley Jones, who was He served in the 619 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: US Senate representing the state of Washington. Shortly after Washington 620 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: the state of Washington became a state. Well, that's that's 621 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: good information. And it does show that sometimes after a while, 622 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: laws fall out of you know, would it be a 623 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: tremendous opposition do you think today if I don't know 624 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: some cent of a file the piece of legislation to 625 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: say this is an anachronism and it is time to 626 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: relegate it to the dustbin of history. Who knows what 627 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: these circumstances were post World War One when this act 628 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: would have been signed. Maybe there was a good reason 629 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: for it then, but maybe that reason no longer exists. 630 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: But I don't think so when I'm looked back at 631 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and in the Northeast there's a bipartisan support. 632 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 2: Six governors in the Northeast from Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New Hampshire, 633 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 2: Rhode Island in Vermont sent at the time Secretary grand 634 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: Home a letter in twenty twenty two during the kind 635 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: of the start of the Russia Ukraine conflict, when prices 636 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: were rising, you know, urging there to be a whift 637 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 2: of the Shoones Act. And so this is bipartisan because 638 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 2: it impacts real Americans, and we talk to Americans every 639 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: single day at their doorstep and on the phone and 640 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 2: through polling, and they're certainly concerned about the cost of living, 641 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 2: and gas prices are certainly a big part of that 642 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 2: for families to put food on the table. When you 643 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 2: have higher gas prices and higher defel prices, that certainly 644 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: impacts the cost of food. Thirty percent of the fertilizer 645 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: goes through the strait of her moods that is shut 646 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 2: down right now. That's a big input cost in farming 647 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 2: to put food on our table. And so Americans that's 648 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 2: their top concern when we talk to them, is the 649 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 2: cost of living. And so I think this would have 650 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: mass appeal for certainly American families but also members of 651 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: Congress to find a way to bring some realistic relief. 652 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody's going to miss the Jones Act. 653 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: Not even Wesley Jones, who I'm sure is long gone. 654 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: Ye kid Strang, how can folks get more information about 655 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: Americans for a Prosperity. You must have a website. I'm 656 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: sure that our conversation has prompted some interest that my 657 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: listeners might have been checking out your group, Americans for Prosperity. 658 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: What's the website? 659 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 2: Absolutely visit us an Americans for Prosperity dot org, or 660 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: visit us on any of our social media platforms. 661 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: Sounds great, Ken't strength, thanks very much, enjoyed it. I 662 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: just double checked it was indeed signed by Woodrow Wilson 663 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: on June fifth, nineteen twenty, about one hundred and five 664 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: years ago. Coming up, we'll celebrate. We'll celebrate the anniversary 665 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: this June fifth. We'll have a Jones Act party. 666 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 2: Thanks, Ken, thank you so much for having me. 667 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Okay, thought actually one hundred and twenty 668 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: six years now, I think about it. Okay. We are 669 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: coming back right after the nine o'clock news and we're 670 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about some legislation. There's a push for 671 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: this at the state House tomorrow and we're going to 672 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: talk with Mark Haimowitz of the American Cancer Society. It's 673 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: going to discuss this legislation. This legislation which deals with 674 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,400 Speaker 1: bio markers. Will explain it. It's been passed in about 675 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: twenty three other states, including some states that tend not 676 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: to be leaders in terms of medical reform. So we 677 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: will talk about this next hour, and I hope you'll 678 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: ask some questions and join the conversation back on nightside,