1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: Blue Penrose with you till seven o'clock. Good to have 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: you along with us, Happy Sunday. Hope you are enjoying 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: the new Sunday Afternoons schedule here on KFI. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 3: It kicks off at noon. 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: With Heather Brooker, who follows Dean Sharp, the house whisper 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: mid Days, Ani Reesemeyer, your old buddy, and then you 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: got me Luig until seven o'clock, following the news at 9 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: seven o'clock. By the way, True Crimes Tonight is live, 10 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: that starts hard seven o'clock and it is live, so 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 2: go nowhere. Feel free to talk about anything other than 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 2: fast food at any point during your show. 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: Duly noted, I absolutely love your show. Appreciate the call. 14 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 4: You correct me up. 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: You just make me laugh, so keep it out. So 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: the jobs reports came out, I'm really big on jobs. 17 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: I don't get too caught up in the weeds of 18 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: economic reports. This isn't CNBC. The numbers change all the time. 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: We just live our lives, but they are indicators, and 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: big ones for me are jobs. 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: There have to be jobs. 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: You can live any life you want as long as 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: you have the ability to earn. Now, it would be 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 2: nice if you were being paid wages consistent with your value, 25 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: but that's a conversation that you and your boss have 26 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: to have. At the end of the day, you are 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 2: in charge of that. You are the CEO of your 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: own life. But if there are no jobs, then you're stuck. 29 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: Whether you have. 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: An education or a degree, or a trade or skill. 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: Or just eight hours of time, you still need a 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: place to go to earn. And if you can't earn, 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: you get nowhere. And the jobs reports for February came 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: out and they were bad, and politically speaking, I mean, 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: it really doesn't matter. But we're told that Republicans tend 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: to be better on business, right, So you would think 37 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: that if a Republican is in the White House and 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: the Republicans control the House and the Senate, and it's 39 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: true that Republicans are better in the private sector for 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: creating jobs, then that should all work. Well, it's not happening, 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: and not happening at all. In fact, the jobs numbers 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: were terrible. 43 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: Those jobs numbers looking worse than expected. Economists predicted going 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 5: into today that employers would have added fifty nine thousand 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 5: jobs last month. But let's take a look at the 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 5: individual sectors here. Healthcare lost twenty eight thousand jobs following 47 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 5: a large spike in January. 48 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 3: Leisure and hospitality, yeah, so healthcare down. 49 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: That's surprising because the nation ages, so as people become older, 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: they need help and that's what healthcare does. 51 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: But the healthcare sector. 52 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: Contracted spike in January. 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 5: Leisure and hospitality lost twenty seven thousand, construction losing eleven thousand, 54 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 5: and manufacturing down twelve thousand. 55 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: Right, so across the board, I mean leisure and hospitality, 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: that's people that are in the service economy. Construction, we 57 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: all know what that is. That's down, which is no 58 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: bueno because we need more places to live in southern California, 59 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 2: not less. And manufacturing is down, which is my big thing. 60 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 2: I am a big proponent of manufacturing. I think that 61 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: is the most important number. And it's down as well. 62 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: So here's the way this works, and it works really 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: well at least for America and for California. There are 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: effectively three legs to the stool that make our economy work. 65 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: There is the business economy. Right, these are professional people. 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: This is doctor, lawyer, architect, businessman. Right, you have to 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: have them, and then you have the service economy. 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 6: Right. 69 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: I have to have people in leisure and hospitality have 70 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: to have people in retail, right, people that work to 71 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: serve you or clean up after you, or serve you 72 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: a cheeseburger platter, or make your bed in the hotel. 73 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: And then the third leg of that stool, and without 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: the third leg, the stool falls over. 75 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: The third leg of that stool is manufacturing. 76 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: We have to have manufacturing in this country, and we don't, 77 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: and the manufacturing sector is continuing to contract. And that's 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: really really bad because the way I see it, not 79 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: everybody's going to be a doctor, lawyer, businessman, and we 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: cannot grow the economy doing each other's laundry. So the 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: third leg of that stool is in many respects the 82 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: most important leg of that stool, and that is manufacturing. 83 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 3: Now, what's manufacturing. Manufacturing is turning raw materials into products 84 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: for sale. And we used to do that in the 85 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: United States, and we used to do it very well 86 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: and it was very effective. 87 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: Post World War two skyrocketed on the world stage. Remember, 88 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: we didn't exit World War two a superpower. We exited 89 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 2: World War two not as scathed as Western Europe or 90 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: certainly Japan or China. But you know, we had to 91 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: come home and we had to retool the economy to 92 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 2: stop making airplanes and tanks and ships and start making stuff. 93 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: We lost a bunch of guys, and you know, the 94 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: war's expensive, so we had to get right back to work. 95 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: And what we did in the United States post World 96 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: War Two was started building our country, started building our lives, 97 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: started building our families. 98 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: People went, they went, they got on the GI bill, 99 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: went and got a degree, went. 100 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: To college, or they went back to the factory and 101 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: changed it from being a factory that made aircraft carriers 102 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: and made it into a factory that made kitchen appliances. 103 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 3: And everybody went to work. 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: And here's the secret and the genius of why America 105 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: did so well from nineteen forty five to about nineteen 106 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: eighty five. Everything that we needed to do, everything and 107 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: build everything was in America. 108 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: Already. 109 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: Everything in your house, and I mean everything in your 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: house if you grew up as I did in the 111 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: late seventies and eighties, everything in your house was made 112 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: in America at an American factory, by an American worker. 113 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: Everything. Growing up as a kid, the. 114 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: Only thing in my house that was not made in America. 115 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: The only important thing in my house was my dad's 116 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: Swiss watch and my mom's fancy Italian leather boots. Everything 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: else was made in the United States. I mean, unless 118 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: you wanted to import something, you know, Italian glass or 119 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: china or porcelain. But everything that you had was made 120 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: in America by an American. So every single day, an 121 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: American went to work at a factory somewhere and built 122 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: everything in your mom's kitchen or your grandmother's kitchen, depending 123 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: on how old you are, Like every single thing in 124 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: your house, every kitchen appliance, every refrigerator, stow vacuum cleaner, 125 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: kitchen counter appliance, everything in your dad's toolbox. 126 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: All those tools were manufactured in Ohio. 127 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 6: Right. 128 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: The cars themselves were manufactured in Detroit. They were all 129 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: built by Americans, and they were high quality, and they 130 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: worked really well, and on the few occasions they broke down, 131 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: you would call a repairman and the repairman would come 132 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: in a truck or a van with all the parts 133 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: in the back of the truck and he would pull 134 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: the television or the refrigerator from against the wall, get 135 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: back there with a screwdriver, and it. 136 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: Was good to go right in all that, all those. 137 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: Products supported a manufacturing base throughout the Midwest where Americans 138 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: went to work. And what's great about it is the 139 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: materials needed to make your mom or your grandma mother's 140 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: washing machine. If you grew up in the seventies and 141 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: eighties and your mom had a washing machine or a dryer, 142 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: it was either Westinghouse or General Electric, and then maybe 143 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: you know, the store slapped a brand on it, but 144 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: it was effectively Westinghouse or General Electric. It was made 145 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 2: out of steel. You know where the steel came from. 146 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: It came from iron out of Birmingham, Alabama. So the 147 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: guy in Birmingham, Alabama, got the iron, made it into 148 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: the steel, shipped it up to Ohio. And then the 149 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: guy in Ohio took the steel and made it into 150 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: a square box that became a washing machine. And the 151 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: electronic components came from Pittsburgh, and the rubber came from. 152 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: Atlanta, Georgia. 153 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: And he took all those raw materials and put together 154 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: a washing machine and then put it on a truck 155 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 2: and they shipped it to the appliance store in your town, 156 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 2: and your parents or your grandparents went out and bought it, 157 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: and then that guy got paid and everybody made money, 158 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: right and when we went to go buy applying, all 159 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: that money circulated in the United States and made everybody 160 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: in that cycle wealthier because everybody got paid. 161 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 3: And that's just in the kitchen. 162 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: If you had a sofa or a love seat or 163 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: your dad's reclining chair, all that furniture was manufactured in 164 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: North Carolina. You know how they have in North Carolina 165 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: trees and they turned those trees into your sofa. And 166 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: it was such a good sofa, right like hard. It 167 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: was firm, heavy, heavy duty, and the material that covered 168 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: the cushions that was all milled in Johnson City, New York, 169 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: outside of Binghamton, New York. And the fabric and the 170 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: sofa were all put together and it was put on 171 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: a truck or a train or a flatbed and it 172 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: went to the furniture store and your parents went out 173 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: and bought furniture, and it was a big deal and 174 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: it was heavy duty and high quality. 175 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: You could jump on the sofa. 176 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: My brother and I would jump off the top corner 177 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: of the sofa. We would watch professional wrestling and do 178 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: the same maneuvers we do the flying drop kicks and 179 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: land in the cushions and make forts out of the cushions. 180 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: And guess what the stuffa was fine? Put the suffa 181 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: back together. 182 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: Justice springy, Justice firm, never squeaked, never wobbled, because it 183 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: was high quality, American made stuff. Now we closed down 184 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: all those factories, fired all the Americans, shift those jobs overseas. 185 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: We bring in junk that breaks, and we, you know, 186 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: wring our hands. 187 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: About jobs numbers, jobs number. 188 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: We need to then needs to be factories manufacturing all 189 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: the things that we need right here in the United States, 190 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: and we need to send Americans to work. Those were 191 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: good paying jobs. By the way, people that worked at 192 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: American factories. It's not like the image that's in your mind, right. 193 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: It isn't normal, Ray, It isn't the final scene an 194 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: officer and a gentleman, right, these gray, dreary people monotonously 195 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: making No These are vibrant places with vibrant factory towns 196 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: supporting healthy families. 197 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: One paycheck. One would support the entire household. And it was. 198 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: Stable because everybody knows that you'll always need a washing 199 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: machine or a refrigerator, or an oven or a stove 200 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: or an electronic whatever the shape of the TV is. 201 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: Obviously the TVs have gotten flat er, But your television 202 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 2: used to be manufactured by RCA or Zenith or Emerson, 203 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: and they were manufactured in the United States. The wood, cabinet, 204 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: the glass, all the electronics were sourced in the United States. 205 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: Then we closed all those factories down, threw all the 206 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: Americans out of work. Now you got a Visio flat 207 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: screen from Costco. It cost eight hundred and ninety nine 208 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 2: dollars and it is good quality. But it replaced an 209 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: entire workforce, an entire segment of the economy that is necessary. 210 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 2: But when the economy ebbs and flows, so this is 211 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 2: where the secret sauce is in American prosperity, and this 212 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: is this needs to be the focus as we go forward, 213 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: because it will never not be the case. We'll always 214 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: need stuff made in the United States. Lou Penrose on 215 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 216 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 217 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose with you on a Sunday night. Good to 218 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 2: have you along with us. All part of the new 219 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: Sunday line up here on KFI. Starts at noon with 220 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: Heather Brooker, followed by Andy Riesemeyer and Lou Penrose until 221 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 2: seven o'clock. Following the News at seven is True Crime 222 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: Tonight Live, and that starts straight up at seven o'clock, 223 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: so be sure to be tuned in for that. But 224 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: we do want to hear from you and appreciate the 225 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 2: comments on the new lineup. 226 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: You are great. 227 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: You better believe it. 228 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 7: When you're talking about where the American jobs went, why 229 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 7: don't you tell the Americans, all of us to look 230 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 7: in our faces. We want a cheap staff. The corporations 231 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 7: wanted cheap labor, and nobody wanted to pay those good 232 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 7: wages anymore because their stockholders and their bottom line were 233 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 7: more important. Change of that, and we can bring the 234 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 7: jobs back. 235 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, so I get this a lot, 236 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: and that's fine because that's what you were told and 237 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: that's what I was told too. We were all told 238 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: that we cannot compete with the foreign labor. These people 239 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: are just so cheap and it's impossible, and these companies 240 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: can't go out of it. They can't make a profit 241 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 2: having to pay Americans. That is the biggest lie ever told. 242 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 3: To the American worker. 243 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: It is false that you cannot manufacture in the United 244 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: States and sell it for a profit in America. 245 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: It is false. Of course it's false. We did it. 246 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: How did your grandfather buy all the kitchen appliances for 247 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: your grandmother? 248 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: Was he a billionaire? You look at these prices. 249 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: And these wages and the profits, and adjusted for inflation, 250 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 2: they're exactly the same. 251 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: So obviously we can do it. That's number one. 252 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: Number two, I argue that it isn't cheaper. The labor 253 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: cost isn't cheaper if you factor in the cost to 254 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 2: the American society. Right they tell you that, well, you know, 255 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: they ship the jobs overseas, and then the cheap labor 256 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: over there, they put together the stove and your blender 257 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: and your toaster roven, and it's just cheaper, lou People 258 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: like cheap stuff. Yeah, okay, guess what when you fire 259 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: a factory worker. Tens of thousands of factory workers. I 260 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: went to college with these people. 261 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: I saw it. I mean, there is actual. 262 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: Footage of factory workers unscrewed and unfastening the equipment on 263 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: their last days and weeks on the job to put 264 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: it in the containers so that the containers could be 265 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: shipped to the new factory in China, like you can 266 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: go look at this. I watched it live. So Okay, 267 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: now all the jobs moved overseas and all the factory 268 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: workers are out of work, and they tell you it's 269 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: good for you because now the products are much more affordable. Okay, 270 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: Now what do we do. Unemployment costs you in me money. 271 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: These people need to have an income. You know, we 272 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: ripped their entire industry apart in the middle of a 273 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: thirty year mortgage. So these factory talents fell apart, these 274 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: families fell apart. 275 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: It was a disaster, an absolute disaster. It reaked havoc 276 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: I mean unemployment, divorce, addiction. It was unbelievable. 277 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 2: The devastation of shipping all these jobs overseas did to 278 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: our American brothers and sisters that lived in the Midwest. 279 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: They call it the rust belt. You know why they 280 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 2: call it the rust belt, because we fired all the 281 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: factory workers and shipped the jobs overseas, and. 282 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 3: All the factories rusted. 283 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: They weren't rusty back in the fifties and sixties. And 284 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: by the way, this is bipartisan. Both Republican and Democrats 285 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 2: worked together to change trade laws. You think this is 286 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: not conspiracy theory, This isn't Lou Penrose putting together a boogeyman. 287 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: You can go back go to c span dot gov 288 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: or c span dot org, and you can go search 289 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: for old floor speeches where you will find Republican and 290 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: Democrat members of the United States Senate arguing in favor 291 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: of revising American trade law so that these companies can 292 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: move these factories overseas and it would be good for 293 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: the American consumer. 294 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 3: Let me tell you a quick story. 295 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 2: Two guys that worked for the Westinghouse Corporation in the 296 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: sixties got together on their own time in a garage 297 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: and designed and built a high quality, commercial grade kitchen 298 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: appliance that went on to become the most successful selling 299 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: kitchen appliance in its sector. By nineteen seventy three, more 300 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: Mister Coffee coffee makers were sold in the United States 301 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: than any other kitchen appliance in its category. It was 302 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: a hot, hot, hot seller. Everybody had one. They were everywhere. 303 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: They were in every house in America. They were in 304 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: every waiting room, they were in every garage. Everybody had one. 305 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: They had it at the galley, they had it at 306 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: the emergency room. They had it at the office. They 307 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: had it in your kitchen. You remember exactly where it 308 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: was on your mom's kitchen counter. 309 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 3: And it worked. It was high quality, it was commercial grade. 310 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 2: It made delicious coffee, and it worked every single day, 311 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: and it was unbelievable. By nineteen seventy four, more Mister 312 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Coffee coffee makers were given as Christmas gifts than any 313 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 2: other kitchen of counter appliance. 314 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 3: It was like the number one. 315 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: Item on the wedding registries in many of these. 316 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 3: In marshall Fields. 317 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: Marshall Fields Department store in Chicago listed it as the 318 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: number one requested item in wedding registries. People gave them 319 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: as wedding gifts because they were on appliance. And by 320 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: the way, they were not cheap. They were twenty four 321 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 2: ninety nine in nineteen seventy four dollars, so it was 322 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: a gift, it was an investment. 323 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 3: By nineteen eighty one. 324 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 2: At the you know, with the help of revised American 325 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: trade law, the company shut down, the factory fired all 326 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: the Americans, shipped the jobs overseas. 327 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: They brought in the same product. 328 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: For the same name. It was still called Mister Coffee. 329 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: It was a plastic piece of crap. It's now nine 330 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: to ninety nine at on the shelf at Walmart, and 331 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: you know it to be a piece of crap. It's 332 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: all flimsy and the glasses thinner, and the heating coil 333 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: doesn't work and it's junk. And if it breaks or 334 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: doesn't heat or doesn't do it doesn't work right. You 335 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: throw it in the trash and you go out and 336 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: get yourself another one, because it's only nine. 337 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: Ninety nine and you think you're ahead of the game. 338 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: You had all those factory workers had to go on 339 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 2: unemployment and their lives were never the same. I told 340 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 2: this story and a friend of mine who was a 341 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: surgeon for. 342 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: Kaiser, is it. Lou, You are so right. 343 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: I probably went through nine mister coffees from freshman year 344 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: through residency and they just break. And my mom still 345 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: has the same mister Coffee coffee maker on her counter 346 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: at her house in Burbank that was there when I 347 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: was a kid, And I said, you better believe. 348 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: Him, right. 349 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose on KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on 350 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. 351 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand. 352 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: Lou Penrose with you on a Sunday night. Good to 353 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: have you along with us. All part of the new 354 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 2: Sunday lineup, all live on KFI. Starts in the afternoon 355 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 2: with Head the Brooker and Annie Reesmeyer. He's back on 356 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 2: Sundays and your old buddy Luig. Appreciate you having having 357 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: us in with you. 358 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 6: Don't forget to talk about how all those us thrown 359 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 6: away coffee makers and plastic and cheap glass fill up 360 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 6: our landfill and seep back into the ground, and everybody's 361 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 6: mad about that. We need to bring jobs back and 362 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 6: make things better. 363 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. That's what I've been saying for 364 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: quite some time. It's pretty sensible when you think about it. 365 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: Everything that we need we should make. There's nothing wrong 366 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: with having options and choices. I'm not saying if you 367 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: want a Mercedes Benz, you shouldn't be able to go 368 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: out and buy a Mercedes Benz. I'm not saying if 369 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: you want to have a Swiss watch, my dad had 370 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: a Swiss watch. But we make watches in America. Time 371 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 2: X was made in America. We made watches in Elgin, Illinois. 372 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: We can make watches and pay Americans to do it, 373 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: like there's always going to be specialty items that are 374 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: unique to the world, and they should cost a premium. 375 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: I get that. 376 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: But everything, everything that we have in our houses used 377 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: to be made in America at American factories, paying American workers, 378 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: and it was a key component to the American economy. 379 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: And we've tried now we're going on forty years. I've 380 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: been belly aching about it for about thirty but we're 381 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: going on forty years with trying to grow the American 382 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: economy by doing each other's laundry. 383 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: And it's not working. And we need to bring. 384 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 2: The factories back, and we need to manufacture things in 385 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 2: the United States, and we need to. 386 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: Circulate that money. Let me try and simplify it for you. 387 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: I mentioned televisions, right, We used to make televisions in 388 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: the United States. Now the technology of televisions and the 389 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 2: cathode ray tube, that's all changed. But you remember the 390 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: televisions that you had when you were a kid. Right, 391 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: These great the pieces of furniture. The wood cabinet was 392 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: beautiful and they were manufactured by Emerson and Zenith and RCA, 393 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: and Americans put them together using American glass and American 394 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: electronics and American wood, and then an American sold it 395 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: to you and you put it in your American house and. 396 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 3: You watch TV. Hooray. 397 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: Now we've closed down all those factories. Technology is pretty 398 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: much the same. I mean it's flat screen, but it's 399 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: still pixelated vision. And we ship the jobs to China. Okay, great, 400 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: you go to Costco and there is I think the 401 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: O leads are now under one thousand dollars O lead 402 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: beautiful TV. Let's say it's a fifty five inch flat 403 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: screen TV eight hundred and ninety nine dollars. Okay, let's 404 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: look at that flat screen TV manufactured overseas. By the way, 405 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 2: we threw out of work the people that worked at 406 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: RCAZ n Athan Emerson. So they're struggling to figure out 407 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: how to make their house payment. But you know, we 408 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: want to have things be cheap. So they say, take 409 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: that flat screen TV that you see at cost Co 410 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: and like reduce it down to its basic element, like 411 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: literally grind it down into a pile of dust. 412 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: What do you have there? 413 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: You have plastic, you have some copper, some glass, and 414 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: some electronic components, solder, some wiring, maybe a little bit 415 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 2: of rubber around the plug. I mean literally, if you 416 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: grind it down a fifty five inch flat screen color TV, 417 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: you probably have a pile of black dust that is 418 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 2: worth about five dollars. It's probably about five to eight 419 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: dollars of raw materials. Some would say it's more like 420 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: a I would argue that there's more raw materials in 421 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: the packaging between the styrofoam and the box and the 422 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: ink on the box. But let's say you got eight 423 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: dollars of raw materials. The difference between that pile of dust, 424 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: that eight dollars worth of raw materials plastic and glass 425 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 2: and copper, and the eight hundred and ninety nine dollars 426 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: that the retail price of the TV is that delta. 427 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: That difference that represented the American manufacturing economy, and that 428 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: American manufacturing economy employed tens of thousands of Americans every 429 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: day of the week, and they went to jobs and 430 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: they put together products. 431 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 3: They took the. 432 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: Plastic and the glass, and the rubber and the and 433 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: the solder and turned it into a product for sale 434 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 2: that Americans would then go to the store and buy. 435 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 2: And all that money circulated in these American towns, and 436 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,239 Speaker 2: those American towns had people that lived in them, and 437 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: those people bought houses and cars and had families and lives. 438 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 3: One paycheck one would support the life. Everybody could work. 439 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: If you want two people to work, you could, but 440 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 2: one paycheck would support a family. 441 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: And that paycheck paid. 442 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: For a house and a car and elevated the quality 443 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: of life, so people had leisure time. And guess what 444 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: that paycheck also covered every once in a while, the 445 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: family could go out to dinner on a Friday night, 446 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 2: and maybe once a month you could take the misses 447 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: out on the town on a Saturday night. And there 448 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: would even be money left over in the household budget 449 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: for the collection plate on Sunday morning. 450 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: That's how well those jobs paid. 451 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: You think about it that way, It completely supports an 452 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: entire society. Right, the guy that sold the TV, guess 453 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: what he did. He sponsored a little league baseball team. 454 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: Right. 455 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: The people that would work at the factory, they would 456 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 2: go to lunch at the lunch counter or the lunch 457 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: and et. They would go buy sandwiches from the guy. 458 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 5: Right. 459 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: There would be camaraderie and fraternity and people would go 460 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: to bowling leagues that support the bowling alley. I know, 461 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: I'm painting a picture of nineteen fifties America. But in 462 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: nineteen fifties America, everything in your house was manufactured by 463 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: an American. Now everything in your house is made in China, 464 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 2: and we're wondering why things are unaffordable. 465 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 8: Luke Great Show. The issue with manufacturing is regulation. Regulation 466 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 8: is making it insanely difficult to manufacture anything. We make 467 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 8: washers that don't clean clothes. We make dishwashers that don't 468 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 8: clean dishes, all because of regulation. So yeah, there's the 469 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 8: labor issue, but there's all the rules and regulations that 470 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 8: have compounded and gotten huge. 471 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: We don't make washers that don't clean clothes. When Americans 472 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 2: made washers, they clean clothes, I mean they wear heavy 473 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: duty things. When Americans made dishwashers, they cleaned and then 474 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: dried the dishwasher. We now import junk that doesn't clean clothes, 475 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 2: and they don't They don't dry the dishes. Got to 476 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 2: spend more time pre washing the dishes before you put 477 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: them in these junk dishwashers, and then you open the 478 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: dishwasher and everything yet dry everything by hand, and they 479 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 2: don't last. 480 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 3: They're junk. I have lived. 481 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 2: Let me see, my youngest is gonna be thirteen. So 482 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: I have lived in my house where I live thirteen years, 483 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: because my wife was still pregnant with him when we 484 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 2: moved in. 485 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: I remember, I have gone. 486 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: Through three refrigerators since the baby was born, and he's 487 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: now three refrigerators in thirteen years. And the same thing. 488 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,479 Speaker 2: They just burn out, They just go out. It's not 489 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 2: like I'm hard on a refrigerator. What do you do 490 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: to a refrigerator? 491 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: But they're just junk. 492 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 2: They're manufactured so poorly and the parts are so terrible. 493 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: And I talked to an HVAC guy about it, a 494 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 2: guy that works on like you know, commercial like in bars, 495 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: in those silver square boxes underneath, and he told me, yeah, Lou, 496 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: it's because the compressors are effectively made of iron, and 497 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 2: the iron is now sourced in China, and the Chinese 498 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: used crap iron, and the compressors just don't last. 499 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: And you're lucky. 500 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 2: You're lucky if you're gonna get three to five years 501 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: on any refrigeration unit. And he's right, what's the first thing, 502 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: right they want to sell you? Go out and buy 503 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: a refrigerator. What's the first thing they want to sell you? 504 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: The extended warranty. Why because they know it's a piece 505 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: of crap and it's gonna go out on you. Did 506 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: your grandfather have an extended warranty and his refrigerator? Do 507 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: you ever remember your grandparents get it a new refrigerator 508 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 2: or like any new piece of equipment in their house. 509 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: Forever the furniture breaking. But I appreciate the call. Lou 510 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: Penrose on KFI Am six forty live everywhere on the 511 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 512 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI Am six forty on demand. 513 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: Lou Penrose with until seven o'clock. 514 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 2: Good to have you along with us on a Sunday 515 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 2: night coming up following the News at seven, True Crime 516 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: Tonight is live and it starts right at seven, so 517 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: stay tuned for that. We are live on KFI and 518 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 2: we have been all afternoon. It started at noon with 519 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: Heather Brooker and any Reesmeyer back on Sundays Live and 520 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 2: your old buddy Luigi. So this is the first day 521 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: of the full new Sunday KFI lineup and we certainly 522 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: do hope that you are enjoying it. We check to 523 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: see some of the comments that came in. We thought 524 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: we'd share them. 525 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 6: I hate the show. 526 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 4: I wish you're not on here. 527 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 3: I can't stand you, Lou Penrose. 528 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: Why don't you get off the damning airways man? 529 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,959 Speaker 3: You suck. Couldn't stand the sound of your voice. It sucks. 530 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 3: There you go, So instant feedback, four year old buddy Luigi. 531 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 4: Because your grandfather was making a lot of money per 532 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 4: hour back then, and he had a union job, and 533 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 4: he had a pension, and he could afford on stuff. 534 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 4: Large companies don't want to pay that anymore. They're not 535 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 4: gonna pay it, and you're probably not gonna pay for 536 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 4: goods that are that expensive. 537 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So I appreciate that, and there is an equation 538 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,719 Speaker 2: to that and an equal sign in the middle. So 539 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: the way, of course, companies don't want to pay any 540 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: more than they have to pay, and workers want as 541 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: much as they can make without pricing themselves out of 542 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: the market. So the referee in that battle is called government. 543 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: That is the proper role of government to be the 544 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: referee in that argument. And they used to be the 545 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: referee in the argument. In the late seventies and eighties. 546 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: The government actually went to the company side and said, 547 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: you know what we can do is we can change 548 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: American trade law so that you can literally take the 549 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 2: company and its parts overseas and then bring it in 550 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 2: and pretend that it was made here in the United States. 551 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 3: You can even call it the same name. 552 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: You might have to put a maiden China sticker on it, 553 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: but you can put that on the bottom of the box. 554 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: Right, Like, the government worked against the American worker, and 555 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: the American worker got screwed. 556 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: So this is the part where I think progressive Loup 557 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: Penrose comes out a little bit like American workers get 558 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 2: to win two and they haven't won. 559 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 3: Like, this was a raw deal. 560 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: The trade rules were designed so that the company could 561 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: take advantage of the cheapest labor possible on planet Earth 562 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: and then bring the product in and charge the same 563 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: amount of money, and the American worker had to go scratch, 564 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: go find something to do. It was disruptive and there 565 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: were no guardrails at all. 566 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: And they called it free trade. 567 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: Free trade sounds great, right, gotta be in favor of 568 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 2: free trade. We're Americans, got it. We like freedom and 569 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: we like trade. Free trade sounds great. Yeah, free trade 570 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: is like free love. 571 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 3: It sounds great. 572 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: It doesn't work, and in the end, all you're left 573 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: with is a social disease. 574 00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 7: I absolutely love yourself. 575 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 4: You know, when you make these comments about unemployment, unemployment 576 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 4: does not last forever. Unemployment you get stretched out to 577 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 4: maybe two years, that's all. Then they have to find 578 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 4: a job doing something else, and usually it's working out 579 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 4: Walmart or doing something for minimum wage. 580 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 3: They're not gonna be. 581 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 4: Able to have a mortgage doing that, man, that's right. 582 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example. We used to manufacture 583 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: athletic wear in the United States. They're called sneakers, and 584 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: we used to manufacture them in Portland, Oregon, and it 585 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: was good work. Now making shoes not glamorous, but it's 586 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: an honest day's wage. You know, you can't be snobbish 587 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: about it. Some Americans just want to go and work 588 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: and do their busy work for the factory and get 589 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 2: a decent wage. You know, they can live on, support 590 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 2: a family and have free time, spare time, and do 591 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: what they want to do with the other sixteen hours 592 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 2: of their day. So making shoes fits that bill for 593 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 2: a lot of workers. And we used to manufacture shoes 594 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 2: in in Oregon and then they closed down the I'm 595 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 2: not going to pick on one company, but they closed 596 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 2: down the factory ship the jobs to Vietnam, manufactured them 597 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 2: in Vietnam for like eighteen cents a day, and then 598 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: brought the shoes back to the United States. 599 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 3: And what killed me was the price of the shoe 600 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: was exactly the same. 601 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: So we destroyed the Pacific Northwest and the economy which, 602 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: by the way, those that area of the country has 603 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: never recovered. Pacific Northwest in the athletic ware manufacturing sector devastated. 604 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: People lost their jobs, they fell victim to disease, drugs, divorce, addiction, horrible. 605 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 3: And the shoes are brought back. 606 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: Into the United States and they go right back on 607 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 2: the shelf and they's still one hundred and twenty nine dollars. 608 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: So the price is exactly the same. So we gained nothing, 609 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: but we devastated a component of the economy. 610 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 3: So it was not worth it. It was not worth 611 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,320 Speaker 3: it at all. And the profits went skyrock mat for 612 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: these companies. 613 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: When you go from paying an American worker a wage 614 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 2: to manufacture a shoe, and then you ship the jobs 615 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 2: to Vietnam and you pay those people literally literally pennies 616 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: a day. And what's a shoe. 617 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: It's rubber, it's leather, and it's material and it's a 618 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 3: box and. 619 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: Shipping the single largest cost in manufacturing and a piece 620 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: of athletic wear. Single largest cost is the endorsement of 621 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 2: the celebrity. It's a single largest component are bringing a 622 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 2: shoe to market. So the profits skyrocketed and you're still paying, 623 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 2: you know, over one hundred dollars for a pair of sneakers. 624 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: But we are We're shouldered. 625 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 3: We have to shoulder the societal costs and they're not 626 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 3: high quality. But I do appreciate the call. 627 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: All right, got to end on a positive note because 628 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: I'm very excited about this after waiting until July. But 629 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 2: one are my all time favorite shows is having a reboot. 630 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 9: Netflix revealed well the premiere Dave for its Little House 631 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 9: on the Prairie reboot, based on the beloved Laura Ingle's 632 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 9: Wilder book series. The new series is set to launch 633 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 9: July ninth, and they already green led a second season 634 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 9: of the show. 635 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 3: The new version is expected to follow the Ingles family as. 636 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 9: They leave Wisconsin to settle in Independence, Kansas. 637 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 3: So they went to Kansas, That's where they wound up. 638 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 3: They went from Walnut Grove to Kansas. That's disappointing. I 639 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: very green lighted a second season. How can that be. 640 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 3: It hasn't debuted yet. I didn't even see a trailer 641 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 3: for it. 642 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 2: Man, just hearing those that opening note brings me right 643 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 2: back to watching that show. I grew up on a 644 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: little house in the Prairie, big fan of that show. 645 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 2: It's an hour long, and a lot happened in that town. 646 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: It was a very dramatic town. I mean, there's so 647 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,879 Speaker 2: much trauma in Walnut Grove. 648 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 3: Every week. They had one. 649 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 2: Week, you know, they weren't getting along with the school teacher. 650 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: The next week they had typhus. The next week there 651 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 2: was a snowstorm and all the kids were freezing to 652 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: death on Christmas Eve. And I mean literally every week 653 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: there was so much happening in Walnut Growth It's amazing 654 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 2: that anybody got any work done at all. Then the 655 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 2: whole problem was resolved in sixty seconds, sixty minutes, so perfect. 656 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: Louke Penrose on kf I AM six forty Live everywhere, 657 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio 658 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,360 Speaker 1: App, KFI AM six forty on demand