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Speaker 1: It's seven six here at fifty five krc DE talk station.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy Friday you head into the Christmas week

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Speaker 1: next week, and welcome back to the fifty five Cassee

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Speaker 1: Morning Show. Love you coming on the program, and I

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Speaker 1: know my listeners love hearing from your Congressman Warren Davidson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, my friend. Always a pleasure, and Merry Christmas

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Speaker 1: to you and your family, sir.

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Brian. It's always an honor, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You, Thank you, and let's dive on into it real quick.

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Speaker 1: Here I saw the Senate. I don't know if they

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Speaker 1: actually passed it, but they were pushing towards a mini

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Speaker 1: bus deal to fund the most of the government, about

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Speaker 1: eighty to ninety percent of the government combining in this

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Speaker 1: mini bus like an omnibus, but not completely on steroids

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Speaker 1: like most of them. Department's offense, Labor, Health and Human Services, Education, Commerce, Justice, Interior, Transportation,

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Speaker 1: and Housing and urban Development. So rather than multiple appropriation

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Speaker 1: bills approved individually, this lumps them all into one, so

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Speaker 1: there only remains a couple of departments that they have

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Speaker 1: to address. Sounds like it will keep the government running.

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Speaker 1: In other words, there's no threat of government shut down

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Speaker 1: if this goes through, although there will be a couple

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Speaker 1: of bills left. Is that something that sounds appealing to you?

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with what's going on in the Senate

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Speaker 1: and are you think you'd be on with this if

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Speaker 1: it gets handed over to the House for approval.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're bundling five bills together, and inherently that just

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Speaker 2: means that they're burying something that Democrats want in labor,

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Speaker 2: health and Human Services for example, to get things that

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Speaker 2: Republicans want in defense for example. So that's the transportation

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Speaker 2: and HUD. You know, why do those things go together.

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Speaker 2: There's no magic formula, It's just these are the deals

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Speaker 2: that are able to get cut often. And from what

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Speaker 2: I understand, they were close to a deal in the Senate,

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Speaker 2: and that's where it's a little vexing because they got

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Speaker 2: to have six and apparently the Democrats withhold their support

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Speaker 2: for the final package, so the Senate left town without

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Speaker 2: passing it, which is, you know, the House hasn't passed

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Speaker 2: some of these things because you know, we don't have

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Speaker 2: the votes in the Senate. So they're really going to

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Speaker 2: be the driver for what the deal that can get cut.

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Speaker 2: Republicans would probably want something more aggressive than could pass

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Speaker 2: the Senate, but lately I don't know. I mean, we

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Speaker 2: got Republicans. The Speaker kept us out of session when

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Speaker 2: the Democrats shut the government down last time to prevent

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Speaker 2: the surrender caucus from running over and cutting deals with Democrats.

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Speaker 2: And nevertheless, here at the end of the session, we

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Speaker 2: new surrender caucus. And you know, I found no Republicans

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Speaker 2: that said let's save Obamacare, but apparently four of them

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Speaker 2: wanted to save Obamacare here at the end. Thankfully it

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Speaker 2: didn't work well.

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Speaker 1: Perfect pivot over to the healthcare debate that continues to

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Speaker 1: go on. The surrender coocause, of course, of those folks

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Speaker 1: who are willing to extend these unbelievably expensive subsidies the

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Speaker 1: actual cost of Obamacare, which is lustrative of the fact that, well,

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Speaker 1: it's an epic failure. Congressman David, I think you can

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Speaker 1: probably agree on that one. But where are we in

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Speaker 1: so far as something to advance. I know, House Republicans

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Speaker 1: passed a bill the other day which I know the

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Speaker 1: CBO said, with lower Americans health care costs by about

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Speaker 1: eleven percent, but it didn't extend any subsidies, so I

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Speaker 1: expect that the Democrats are all against that, which leaves

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Speaker 1: us kind of where Congressman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a good summary. Wednesday, the House

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Speaker 2: passed the healthcare bill. I mean we've I looked it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've had over two hundred hearings since twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: But the jurisdiction split up amongst multiple committees, so there's

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Speaker 2: not like a single unified Republican plan. There are dozens

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Speaker 1: So what the.

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Speaker 2: Speaker cobbled together over the last couple of weeks was

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Speaker 2: you know, they're trying to steer towards SING and they're

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Speaker 2: focused all on the more free stuff for more people

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Speaker 2: approach of it doesn't lower the cost. It's a shifts

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Speaker 2: And look, you think about Owomacare, this isn't even subsidies.

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Speaker 2: The covid era subsidies aren't even subsidies for traditional Obamacare.

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Speaker 2: They're like bonus subsidies. Generally aimed at the higher end

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Speaker 2: So if you look at it, well, since twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 2: these things have been getting paid out as your insurance

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Speaker 2: don't like about your health care. And the reality is

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Speaker 2: the Babign Plan was, well, let's talk about the broader market,

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Speaker 2: not just the government subsidy side of it, and deal

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Speaker 2: It's not everything we need to do on healthcare. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure we're going to keep talking about it all year,

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Speaker 2: but it's a start, and frankly, it puts Republicans ahead

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess one thing that really just irks me

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Speaker 1: to know and want to pull my hair out every

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Speaker 1: are talked about and rejected by Republicans, they democrats scream,

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Speaker 1: you're not doing anything to lower the cost of health care.

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Speaker 1: Well masking it is. All those subsidies do, is you

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Speaker 1: point it out. It increases the cost of health care.

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Speaker 1: There's no incentive to reduce the cost. We need a

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Speaker 1: But aside from that as a concept, why not don't

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Speaker 1: we all agree that PBMs are no longer a necessary expenditure,

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Speaker 1: that they are driving the cost of pharmaceuticals up, that

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Speaker 1: they benefit no one but the hospitals and the PBM managers.

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Speaker 1: Why why don't we just all collectively agree we're gonna

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Speaker 1: then we can all move forward with other elements of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't get that across the finish line, which

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Speaker 2: is maddening it is. And so last year this time

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Speaker 2: pharmacists isn't supposed to tell you, hey, if you just

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Speaker 2: Buddy Carter is an actual pharmacy is from Georgia. He's

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Speaker 2: the country. It's bad for everybody, and I think broadly

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Speaker 2: we got these other members ten or fifteen that won't

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Speaker 2: vote for it, so it's going to fail.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay here in the minute, we got here

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Speaker 1: in the segment, Congressman Davidson. Since everyone sees these, well,

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Speaker 1: What is their argument that they're valuable and not just

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Speaker 1: a cost enhancing thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is exactly what my point is, Brian. You

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Speaker 2: people know, hey, here's the people that agree with the

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Speaker 2: pharmacy benefit managers. Ask them why they think this is

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Speaker 2: a good idea. It's indefensible generally, And then that's the

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Speaker 2: biggest frustration. Overall. There's so much work that goes into

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Speaker 2: making sure we don't vote, and it's like, no, you

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Speaker 2: did all this work to get elected. You get a

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Speaker 2: so it's frustrating. Sometimes you're like, well there's a little

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Speaker 2: nuance here, Well, then explain it and price. When you're

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Speaker 2: defending something like pharmacy benefit managers, people are going to

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Speaker 2: pay attention because they're like, yeah, please explain.

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Speaker 1: How about this as a concept stand alone bill? Get

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Speaker 1: rid of pharmacy benevot managers is the bottom line of

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Speaker 1: what the bill says, doesn't include any other provisions or

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Speaker 1: anything else related to any other moment of aspect of healthcare.

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Speaker 1: Queue the bill up and then discharge position and force

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Speaker 1: everybody to come out and say out loud while they're

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Speaker 2: Possible, Well, the discharge position might be a lane to try.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that effort's been tried. But that's the

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Speaker 2: single subject bills. This is the thing. Everyone talks about

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Speaker 2: it and just like the appropriations, you can't get a

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Speaker 2: the cobbling of the deal making together. It's the way

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Speaker 2: could respect it if it was working right, but it isn't,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people want the transparency.

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Speaker 2: So maybe the discharge on the pharmacy that benefit managers

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Speaker 2: to get certain things to the floor.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can feel free to advance that idea and

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Speaker 1: you can take credit for it to Congressman Davidson. Respect

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Speaker 1: tell a speaker to give you a call. There you go.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to talk with that guy. I wonder what's

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Speaker 1: going through his head. Answer a lot of questions for me. Anyway, more, Davidson,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk Epstein files. Today's the day. I guess plus

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Speaker 1: inflation came in lower than expected by a little bit,

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Speaker 1: which is obviously a positive thing. Let's continue in a

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Speaker 1: moment after I mentioned calling electric power up your holiday

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Speaker 1: sale that's going on to the end of the month,

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Speaker 1: and I twenty one to five KARSI Talk Station Friday

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Speaker 1: with Congressman Warren Davidson. Moving over. I guess today's the day.

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Speaker 1: According to the Epstein Act you had the files have

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Speaker 1: to be released in searchable form. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: saying that's not going to happen for a variety of reasons,

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Speaker 1: where where are we on that one, Congressman Davidson, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean that's the law. It passed, I mean overwhelmingly, and

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Speaker 2: now the administration's got to comply with it. So you know,

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Speaker 2: we'll see see what they publish. You know, we'll see

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Speaker 2: whether it's a clean thing. But yeah, here's my frustration,

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Speaker 2: We know these girls didn't traffic themselves because Jelane Maxwell's

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Speaker 2: Keep scanning these abuses of the FBI, and look, we

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Speaker 1: Congressman Warren Davidson, it is a pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your willingness to come up on the show,

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Speaker 1: behalf again of my listeners, Joe Stracker myself, to you

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Speaker 1: and your entire family, we wish you the merriest of

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Speaker 1: Christmas is, happy holidays, safe travels if you're moving about,

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Speaker 1: and look forward to hitting the ground running next year.

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Speaker 1: Sir Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, God bless you and all your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Brian, Merry Christmas, Thank you. Congressman Davidson. Seven twenty six

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