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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson from the Bengals apparently are not going to

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Speaker 2: broadcasting this hour. Hell, maybe the whole damn show. Who

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Speaker 2: it going, I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: How are you? I am emotional? I understand emotional. I

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Speaker 1: think everybody's trying to come to terms with their emotions

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Speaker 1: right now. I'm processing a lot of different things.

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Speaker 2: Here and we've reached pretty much the finish line as

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Speaker 2: it relates to the Bengals relationship with Trey Hendrickson. But

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Speaker 2: be honest, this is about my relationship with Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 2: our show's relationship with Trey Hendrickson, your guys relationship with

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. It doesn't necessarily have to end, but it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the content machine, where do we go? Now?

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Speaker 1: Where do we possibly go? Now? You know, it's just

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Speaker 1: it's said, I am a you know, no franchise, tag,

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Speaker 1: no tag and trade situation for for Trey, he will

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Speaker 1: get what he has long designed, a chance to hit

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Speaker 1: the open market. I'm curious what that contract looks like.

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Speaker 1: M hmm. Probably more curious about that than where he goes.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we'll hear more as it goes forward.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's a tough day for everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm really hurting. I keep thinking of, you know, like

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Speaker 1: Is he just is it just you know, is it

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Speaker 1: be a party night, like you know in old school

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Speaker 1: when they had the Mitch Martin Freedom Festival, Like you

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Speaker 1: can have that same flyer but with Trey's face on

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Speaker 1: it Snoop's there, right, like you have that or and

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Speaker 2: I mean I would imagine Trey there's a relief, excitement. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's forever He's arguably the top free agent available.

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Speaker 2: best free agent acquisitions in the history of the franchise.

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Speaker 2: last two years because to a small degree, it has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the way it goes, right, the further

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Speaker 2: It would be down the list. But like when they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sixty one sacks in five season and

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Speaker 1: More important to the twenty six bangles. Yes, yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: Well at Bengals, give Trey the proper send off with

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I honestly have not done enough tribute video research,

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Speaker 1: I think the tribute video is like when they play

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Speaker 2: Showing up at practice last year and his golf gear

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Speaker 1: I almost got run over by a car because of him, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he proved and a lot of people wrong,

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Speaker 1: We're just talking about the bear Cats during the break. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well, and you could start to imagine what the ceiling

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Speaker 1: That's fun. You've never felt this good about the offensive

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Speaker 2: Daanner Junior is here on a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 2: Bengals related issues and the Growler podcast consuming all of

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Speaker 2: the content from Indie last week. It felt to me,

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Speaker 2: and you could tell me if I'm wrong, it felt

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Speaker 2: to me like Bengals personnel was more revealing about what

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Speaker 2: they're looking for and what they may do than at

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Speaker 2: any point in recent history.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, I think some of the some of

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Speaker 1: this stuff because we I mean, it's easy for us

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Speaker 1: to be specific in what we're analyzing and asking questions about,

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Speaker 1: and so for that fact, I think that when you're

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Speaker 1: just talking about with only so many positions to talking

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Speaker 1: about the defense, you can you can sort of surmise

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Speaker 1: where they're going with this stuff. I think there's truth

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Speaker 1: to that. The point is it's just that what do

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Speaker 1: they have to be secretive? About they're trying to add

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Speaker 1: players at every level of the defense, like there's right,

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Speaker 1: they want good players, are looking for impact players. I

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Speaker 1: think there's some of the specifics of the linebacker add

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to do. They plan to and we'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens. Be aggressive and free agency and filling

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Speaker 1: this defense. I don't think it is hard for anyone us,

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Speaker 1: much less the rest of the league to know what

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Speaker 1: they're trying to do. And I think it exudes a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a confidence in their plan. Is it

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Speaker 1: false comments, I don't know, but we'll find out. But

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Speaker 1: I do feel like they have confidence that they know

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Speaker 1: what they want, feel like it's out there, feel like

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Speaker 1: they can accomplish it and have the resources to do it,

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Speaker 1: and they have to go do that and we'll judge

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Speaker 1: it how well they did at it. I just so, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that's true. I also think there's just a

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Speaker 1: there's nothing really to hide here, Like they're gonna add

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Speaker 1: a bunch of players on this defense, and everybody knows

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Speaker 1: they're trying to add pass rush.

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Speaker 2: How should the effusive praise of Jordan Battle from Al

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Speaker 2: Golden inform what we expect them to do?

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Speaker 1: It? Safety both in free agency and the draft. MM

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Speaker 1: just that they I think that's more just about belief

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Speaker 1: in the way he played down the stretch. I mean

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Speaker 1: he we probably spent a lot of time talking about well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we did spend a lot of time talking about

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Speaker 1: Miles Murphy's growth, right, and Jordan battle was always kind

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Speaker 1: of maybe the next person or third person you'd mentioned

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Speaker 1: when you really look at it this under the same

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Speaker 1: time span that second half of the season, he really

506
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Speaker 1: did play at a much higher level. He stopped missing

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Speaker 1: tackles for the most part. He made a few more

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Speaker 1: plays like it wasn't his nose. But you spent much

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Speaker 1: more time noticing others, shall we say anybody else? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to name names.

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Speaker 2: But I can't quit Trey Hendricks and anginostone cold Turkey

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Speaker 2: on the same day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe there's still a chance. Maybe there's still a

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Speaker 1: chance that Geno comes back. No, I'm gonna finish my

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Speaker 1: Jordan Battle force before I send you into a heart palpitations.

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Speaker 1: I just say it. I feel like they felt like

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Speaker 1: they saw that and if this is a starting player

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Speaker 1: and a player that they felt like they finally gave

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Speaker 1: the chance to really be the guy. Took a half

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Speaker 1: a year for it to happen, with a lot of

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Speaker 1: moving pieces that weren't great around him, and started to

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Speaker 1: settle in to be a starting level player. And so

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Speaker 1: they're gonna build confidence in that. They're gonna make sure

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Speaker 1: he knows they are confident in him. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a guy that feeds off his own confidence, and so

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Speaker 1: they wanted to be effusive about that they were, and

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Speaker 1: that doesn't change anything. I think you still need somebody

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Speaker 1: who can play next to him. Complimenting Jordan Battle, I

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Speaker 1: think is relative. Most safeties are still kind of doing

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Speaker 1: a little bit everything. But I know what they're saying,

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Speaker 1: a little bit more of a cover guy. That's fine,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it changed anything in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it changes anything in free agency. I

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Speaker 1: think the way the teams have used three safeties successfully

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Speaker 1: shows that you can do that without much problem. You're

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Speaker 1: just trying to add players right now.

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Speaker 2: The question was asked during the free agent draft on

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Speaker 2: The Growler this morning that I think is an interesting

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Speaker 2: one and it's one that I jotted down well before

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Speaker 2: the podcast. If Joseph Osai hadn't played for the Bengals

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Speaker 2: last year, and you're looking at potential defensive lineman. I

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Speaker 2: think that's a name that would peauk my interest. Why then,

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Speaker 2: should we assume that they're just gonna let him go.

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Speaker 1: I just it just doesn't feel like it matches where

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Speaker 1: they're at. I just think it's a change is good

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Speaker 1: for that spot, wanting a little bit more out of

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Speaker 1: that spot. Change is good for Joseph. I think probably

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel like it matches right now with

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Speaker 1: where they're at, and I think they just want to

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Speaker 1: try to find somebody with maybe a little different skill set.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean I think he's in that mix.

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Speaker 1: Could he be back? Sure, No one's closing the door

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Speaker 1: on that. We see surprise returns in free agency all

554
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Speaker 1: the time, so I'm and he was one last year. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just I just think there's other guys that more

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Speaker 1: fit what they're looking for. They have more money to

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Speaker 1: spend and invest into that spot. I think he'll have

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Speaker 1: a market. I'm curious to see where his deal ends up.

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Speaker 1: I just think there's other places that they would that

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Speaker 1: they would be willing more willing to go and pay

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Speaker 1: a little bit more to to fill.

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Speaker 2: That they have a lot of money to spend, They

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Speaker 2: have a lot of areas on the team to spend

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Speaker 2: it on. If there's an area where they would splurge,

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Speaker 2: where would it be. Well, there's a splurge that I like,

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Speaker 2: and let's make a Fitzpatrick. And now he hasn't he's

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Speaker 2: still technically a Miami Dolphin, but that appears to be

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Speaker 2: coming to an end. That will probably be a release

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Speaker 2: before it's a trade, and that would be a splurge,

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Speaker 2: a splurge that I think you would love.

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Speaker 1: He's the he's a force multiplayer, mo. I mean if

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Speaker 1: there's still not into really sure, I know what that means.

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Speaker 1: Someone who just by their sheer presence makes everybody else better.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just called being a good player. Okay, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm like you would just call it that. No, we

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Speaker 1: need force multiplayers, Okay, but either way, yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: a splurge like that. But their most likely place for

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Speaker 1: a splurge has been and always will be on the

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Speaker 1: defensive line. Now what who is that? I mean? It

580
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Speaker 1: could be you know, uh, an edge like boy Mafe,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they would go as high as to say

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Speaker 1: a Dafe Oway, which, by the way, like quitty pay

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Speaker 1: byway man. It's it's remarkable, similar like four letters, having

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Speaker 1: to learn them all, make sure I have them all down.

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Speaker 1: It's been but either any of those right, I think play,

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Speaker 1: but I would you could see a splurge happening there

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Speaker 1: at the top of the top of the edge market. Potentially.

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Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see where John Franklin Meyer's market goes,

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Speaker 1: just because he's the only real guy in there and

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Speaker 1: how desperate I think he will get overpaid. And that's

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Speaker 1: not disrespect to JFM, that's just they're just asn't anybody else.

592
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Speaker 1: But I'm curious to see how high it goes. And

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Speaker 1: if it didn't, you know, if it was a Orlando Brown,

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Speaker 1: Orlando Brown, everyone's thinking Orlando Brown's gonna get paid. Yeah,

595
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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a guy or whatever, and his number

596
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Speaker 1: kind of comes back to earth. A little bit happened there.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there's one of those moments where they say, hey,

598
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Speaker 1: I think we might be able to get him, and

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Speaker 1: next thing you know, they're like, well, let's go for it,

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Speaker 1: and that's where a splurge happens. But I mean, more

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Speaker 1: than likely, their splurges have almost always happened on the

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Speaker 1: defensive line, like almost always in this era here, and

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Speaker 1: so that's where you can usually point to. I find

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Speaker 1: Minka the most fascinating out of that group.

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Speaker 2: We talked this morning almost exclusively about defense, and was

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Speaker 2: without saying that's where the overabundance of their time, energy

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Speaker 2: and resources should be aimed at. But is it a

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Speaker 2: Bengals offseason if they don't sign a tight end to

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Speaker 2: a one year, proven deal. And I know I'm hoping,

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Speaker 2: like hell, Eric Hall comes back.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I am too, I for his sake, And but

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Speaker 1: you can't count on that. You know, they still have

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Speaker 1: you know, those same three, you still have sample and

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Speaker 1: get Sickie and Tanner, Hudson and and all is going

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Speaker 1: to be in the mix. That feels more like a

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Speaker 1: pick to me. Sure, it's possible. I just think I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just it's it's possible. I mean, it's no different

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Speaker 1: than adding no offense work was last year. It's so

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Speaker 1: it feels more like a draft pick to me, and

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Speaker 1: not a high one that enters the fray in that

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Speaker 1: room this year. But yeah, I mean they have done

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Speaker 1: that pretty consistently. It's it's not totally impossible that there's

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Speaker 1: somebody sitting there. Who sounds really interesting for two million

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Speaker 1: dollars to go potentially play with Joe Burrow. I just

625
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Speaker 1: don't know if the cell is as strong when you

626
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Speaker 1: still have you know, those other three guys there and

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Speaker 1: potentially Eric Hall, who if he is healthy, they would

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Speaker 1: be shoving out there immediately. So that's it's not as

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Speaker 1: clear as usually when they do those, it's like you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be the guy and you're gonna catch sixty balls

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Speaker 1: and it's an easy sell. I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: the case this year.

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Speaker 2: Is Andy Dalton gonna be the backup quarterback of the

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Speaker 2: Bengals next year?

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Speaker 1: I hope. So let's tie a bow on this stickal,

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Speaker 1: let's go think about all the money that can be

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Speaker 1: raised for the childrens sauce. But like, honestly, if not him,

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Speaker 1: then who well? Right, And it's not super out there.

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Speaker 1: The draft is not at all. If you want to

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Speaker 1: go draft a backup like this isn't your year. If

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Speaker 1: you want to go in a fraz these people who

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Speaker 1: are like I don't know, there's gonna be a starter

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Speaker 1: for some of these.

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Speaker 2: If Andy Dalton had never played for the Bengals before,

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Speaker 2: I think I might have asked that same question. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you can cross some names off the list, including

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Speaker 2: it feels like Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think it's going to have an opportunity somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of running out of names of guys that

650
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Speaker 2: I feel like I can put in the game and function.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. I think I think it would

652
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: make all the sense in the world. The question he

653
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: didn't play great in his small time last year, and

654
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Speaker 1: you know you wonder for him. The question is now

655
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: going to be every year is how long do I

656
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: want to keep doing this? If he decides that he

657
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to play anymore or whatever, then maybe

658
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Speaker 1: that's this decision is made for you. But I think

659
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Speaker 1: if they feel like that was more of an aberration

660
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Speaker 1: and he could come in here and know how to

661
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: throw the ball to Jamar Chason T Higgins, then he's

662
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Speaker 1: as good as some most of the other guys that

663
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Speaker 1: are going to be available to you out there.

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Speaker 2: Who's more likely to be in the Ring of honor?

665
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: Andy Dalton or Trey Hendrickson?

666
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: AHJ. Green, that's a good answer.

667
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Speaker 2: What should I do if Ruben Bain's they're at ten

668
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: and people are screaming the arms are too short, they're

669
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Speaker 2: historically short.

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Speaker 1: To tell them to stop yelling that. Okay, I don't care.

671
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't care. I watched them play. Yeah,

672
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Speaker 1: turn on the tape, so I need to see Sam Monson,

673
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: who I love of them from check the mic had

674
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the perfect comp nineteen eighties Mike Tyson. Oh yeah, okay.

675
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Speaker 1: You may look at him and be like, this guy,

676
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: how does the next thing? You know? The dude's on

677
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the ground, like just just absolutely wastes his opponent in

678
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: front of him, and there he is at the quurt.

679
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: He plays hard. He knows how to use his leverage

680
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Speaker 1: to his advantage, like, Yeah, it's one thing to have

681
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: shortcomings or liabilities. It's another thing to have the counters

682
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: and understand how to play with those. Yeah, and use

683
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Speaker 1: them to your advantage in some cases. And Ruben Bain

684
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: does that. I we have we not had enough of

685
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: the measurables conversation. Watch the tape is yeah, watch the tape, yes,

686
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: and that stuff. That stuff transitions to the NFL without problem.

687
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Speaker 1: I would be happy.

688
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: What's interesting is the two guys who I was most

689
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: impressed by when they talked were the two most talked

690
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: about dudes, Caleb Downs and Ruben Van, and I thought

691
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: Ruben Van handled all the questions professionally. They seemed rehearsed,

692
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: which is okay, but I love the answers. And then

693
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: like Caleb Downs, they come on, dude, I mean.

694
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Speaker 1: He's not People are like, how far will he drop?

695
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: Not out of the top ten? How about that? I

696
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: just I don't know how you don't want that dude

697
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: on your team immediately, Like, I don't care about positional

698
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: value none, I don't care about anything else. That dude

699
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: is a football player. He has is made to change

700
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: your culture and be a part of, you know, playing

701
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: winning football instincts, all the things that this defense hasn't had.

702
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: And if he's gonna fall and most safeties fall, and

703
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: that was more of the buzz coming out of this week.

704
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Now I don't I'm not going to get into it.

705
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know the flag on the injuries thing that

706
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of surfaced or whatever that was, so I'm not

707
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: going to touch on that. That's the only thing that

708
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: would really cause any substantial fall is if there's some

709
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: kind of an injury thing that we don't know about.

710
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: Because the dude as a player on the field, as

711
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: a leader, as the exact type of person you bet on.

712
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: He's got to be the safest pick in this draft.

713
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: I was I was talking to somebody last week and

714
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: I said, like, you could show the press conference he

715
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: had and have never seen him play football, and it

716
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: would be fun to go, Oh, you're impressed. Now you're

717
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: impressed by what he said. Now let's turn on the tape.

718
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: Now watch him play. Now watch him play.

719
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Speaker 2: Because if you think that's good, like you're you're sucked

720
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: in because of like the character of the dude and

721
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: just how he handled everything.

722
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: Now let's I think I told you two.

723
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Speaker 2: Weeks ago when I watched Smart People break down his film,

724
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 2: It's it's intoxicating. Like when you think about the Bengals

725
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 2: need and you know, whatever the likelihood of him being

726
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 2: there or ten is, it's it's hard to not be smitten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Matta Tricia would just kind of of

728
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, people like, oh the calls that he made. No,

729
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: that's Caleb Downs instinctually freelancing on some of a lot

730
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's him making everything look good and

731
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: like a lot of the conversations in Indy that I

732
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: had were along the lines of trying to decipher between

733
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: who's really the I guess force multiplayer if you will,

734
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: but like, who's really the engine here? Between r bell

735
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Rees and Sunny Styles and Caleb Downs. It's like, are

736
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: are the other two making one of them look better?

737
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: Which ones? Are those? Right? And I think it's possible

738
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: that it can just be that all three of those

739
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: guys are awesome, and when having all those together shows

740
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: you what it came. I don't think it is takes

741
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: away from anything else, But I think what you found

742
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: in anybody you talk to is that Caleb Downs was

743
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: so much the leader. He was so much the culture center.

744
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 1: He was the guy that people talk about for years.

745
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: They've talked about him. Even guys that have come out

746
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: about how Satan recent years have said he's the guy

747
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: who was always the you know, the brains of the

748
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Speaker 1: operation and the one that was really fueling everything. The

749
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: Force Multiplier thing has legs. We're gonna be doing this

750
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: until it's gonna be done with it after we get through,

751
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, by time we get to Wednesday next week,

752
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: I'd be happy if we're done with it. You will

753
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: be doing live shows next week day through Thursday. Wow, Yes,

754
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: we'll be on. We'll be live on the YouTube channel,

755
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: reacting every night to what's going on. Last year we

756
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: filled four hours of live time not talking about anything,

757
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: so I'm positive that we can do this year. And

758
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of fun with those and I'm

759
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: excited about doing them again. That's had what time eight o'clock,

760
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: lausch Night. We'll go for about an hour with just

761
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: whoever pops in between me and Jay and Charlie. If

762
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: you want to pop up.

763
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: WI my own unique brand of commentary and yeah analysis.

764
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would love it. The only the only

765
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: thing I say is if they bring back Genostone, you

766
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: have to show up immediately into the live stream.

767
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: I told you on your podcast today. We can pre

768
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: record that so you'll have it ready to go. Are

769
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: you warning me for some are you like? Are you

770
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: setting me up? Are you like you do you know something?

771
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't don't know anything. I just love the idea

772
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: of it. I just I'm not warning about anything at all.

773
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Speaker 2: If I just love the idea. If they bring back

774
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Speaker 2: Geno Stone, I will be on your podcast because I

775
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: will not be allowed to be on the radio because

776
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: you don't have the FCC to worry about I do

777
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 2: here and this company does, and I will just say, look,

778
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: it ain't worth the fine, Okay, have somebody else do it.

779
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: I'll be on Paul's podcast tonight to share my true feelings.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to that, and then we could play

781
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: the bleeped version. That's just like one long.

782
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: What I thought I would do is when Geno Stone

783
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Speaker 2: signs with another NFL team, assuming he'll be in the league,

784
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: I will call the local sports talk radio show in

785
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: that market and say, do you want someone to talk

786
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: about I'm not qualified typically to do this, but in

787
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: this particular regard I am.

788
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Speaker 1: Are you gonna put your dog, Geno Stone on the tip? Yes,

789
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: on the on the show to be like, let me

790
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: this is my dog. Let me tell you I have

791
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: just called him this.

792
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals for The Athletic and

793
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: as well as his podcast, The Growler Podcast. We did

794
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 2: the free agency draft. Go check that out YouTube and

795
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: as we say, where you get your podcasts, follow Paul

796
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: at Paul Danner Junior. We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. Can't wait six away from four o'clock.

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