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Speaker 2: Who's breaking yesterday that legendary college football coach Lou Holtz

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Speaker 2: What were your early impressions of him? What's what stood

433
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: out to you?

434
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 4: Well, when I Coach Palermo brought me up, he said

435
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: that I was going to get the opportunity to play quarterback. Right,

436
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 4: So I was a pretty good after he coming out

437
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: of high school and so so I didn't really get

438
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 4: a lot of interaction with Coach Holks like the first

439
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 4: week I was here, because they moved me to wide receiver.

440
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 4: Then they tried me at defensive back, and they tried

441
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: me at running back. And then the second week is

442
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 4: when I went and had a little talk with coach

443
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 4: host to ask him if he was gonna give me

444
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 4: an opportunity to play quarterback and and he said he would.

445
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 4: And so from that point on, I was asking number

446
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 4: five on the depth chart. I'm going into about a

447
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 4: week to go to our first game of produce. So

448
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 4: I went from five to number two. Behind Breck Sadak

449
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 4: and that second in the second half of that Purdue game,

450
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: Coach Host installed me as a starter and so never

451
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 4: let it go for four years. But Coach Host, the

452
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 4: biggest thing that I always took from him was preparation, right,

453
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: His pet peeve was mental and physical preparation on and

454
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: off the football field. When if you got to talk

455
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 4: to Coach Host in his office, he didn't really talk

456
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 4: about football a whole lot. He sat you down and

457
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 4: he talked about life, and he kind of was kind

458
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 4: of a guy that could foretell the future. And being

459
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: a young kid at that time, you start to see

460
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 4: some of these things happen. That's how he got to

461
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: buy in. That's how he got our team to buy in.

462
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: Because in nineteen eighty three, the Gophers was one in ten.

463
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: You know, I think I think Nebraska put up eighty

464
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 4: five on them. Yeah, so right, that say pretty much

465
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: that same team and me and Gary Couch from Davenport Iole,

466
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 4: we was only two guys that get in the red

467
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 4: shirt and in our class, and so and we took

468
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: We had Oklahoma on the ropes and there was the

469
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: number two team in the nation and they beat us

470
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 4: thirteen and seven.

471
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: Remember that, yep, So.

472
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 4: You know we went four and seven to eighty four.

473
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 4: Seven season ended up being an our team that went

474
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: to the Rose Bowl. So he they one had put

475
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 4: his stamp on our football team, and everybody bought into it,

476
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 4: no question.

477
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: In fact, I was reminded. I think Patrick ROYSI wrote

478
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 2: about this way. I think you talked to as well.

479
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: That spring games. It was there were like thirty I

480
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: think twenty five thirty thousand people, which again in the

481
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: South even today, is no big deal, but in Minnesota then,

482
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: especially given the depths that the program had fallen to.

483
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: I mean that spoke to the energy and optimism that

484
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: holds seemed to break correct.

485
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no question. I mean the guy could motivate

486
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: a dead man to get up and play. I mean

487
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: I was seriously like that was That was one of

488
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 4: the things that was about him was like he was

489
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: he was sharp. He was Onny's football sharp. He could

490
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 4: read people, and coach Hose wasn't afraid to play guys

491
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 4: that could change his program. And so you look at

492
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: in the in the mid eighties eighty forty eighty seven,

493
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 4: there were maybe two or three black quarterbacks in NCAA

494
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 4: football And not only did he let me play here

495
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: at Minnesota, but he even let Tony Rice play at

496
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 4: the University of Notre Dame. So he wasn't a free

497
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 4: to push the edges because he knew what it took

498
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 4: to win. Like his whole thing was He's gonna put

499
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 4: the right guys in the right positions to help turn

500
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 4: the program around quickly, right, and so you also have

501
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: to realize this assistance, like the staff that he had

502
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 4: on our Gopher football team was outstanding.

503
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: We're chatting with former Golfer quarterback Ricky Foggy, who played,

504
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 2: of course under Lou Holtz. You you mentioned Carolina. Was

505
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: Carolina gonna let Were they gonna give you a chance

506
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: to compete at the quarterback position?

507
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 4: No chance? There was recruit me as an athlete at

508
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: North Carolina and uh you know, and probably the three

509
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 4: or four or five school other schools I was being

510
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 4: recruited in the South also was doing the same things.

511
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: Was pretty much recruit me as the athlete because like

512
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: I said, I thought I had a shot with Homer

513
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 4: Jordan's in the national championship with Clepton in nineteen eighty three,

514
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 4: because that was right in my backyard and low and behold,

515
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: and before it didn't even recruit me to go to Clifton.

516
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: So that's why I was bittersweet for me. Yeah, in

517
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five when we beat them in the uh

518
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 4: indepennis boat.

519
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: That's right, that's true. That's a good point. Nice little

520
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: little little revenge is best served coal, that's what they say,

521
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: I think.

522
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: So what do you.

523
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: Remember, Ricky about the Holts departure? I mean, how just

524
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: give me your sense of sort of how that started

525
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: percolating and whether you felt betrayed, if you felt devastated.

526
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: What do you remember about that whole period?

527
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 4: You know what, it kind of just happened, right.

528
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: So, we.

529
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: We finished our last game against Iowa. I can't remember

530
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 4: if we were down there or at home. And so

531
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: then from that we were pressing for the bowl game, right,

532
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 4: So were pressing for the Independence Bowl, and all of

533
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 4: a sudden, coach coach host was gone. And so if

534
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 4: there was no sin off, like he didn't come in

535
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: and say, hey, guys, you know I'm taking this notre

536
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: dame job. You know, I appreciate your lord t your

537
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: hard work and all that good stuff. They just came

538
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: in and said, coach Goudacris was taken over. I think

539
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: the best thing about it for me was that my

540
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: offensive coordinating quarterback coach and he was like a dad

541
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 4: to me, Coach Beckish, he stayed like the whole the

542
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 4: whole staff stayed and the only person he took with

543
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 4: him was the recruiting coordinator, Bennie Toerado. And he also

544
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 4: took Tony rights because we had Tony coming to Minnesota.

545
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: So I think that was more confident for us as

546
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: a football team and for me. And you know, like

547
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: I say, having coached Backish coach Claramony, a guy who

548
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: recruited me, and he stayed. And so no, we was

549
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: devastated that coach host left. Don't get me wrong, because

550
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 4: this thing was turning. You know, what he did at

551
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: Notre Dame he probably was gonna do at Minnesota. And

552
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: so yeah, we was heartbroken. We was hurt. Were devastated

553
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: because we seen the work that he was doing to

554
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 4: this football program and it was actually it was coming together.

555
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 4: And so it was disappointing. But you know, like I said,

556
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: we had had our assistant coaches and fall back on,

557
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: and they took care of us.

558
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: Did you ever in later years, sometime after that, where

559
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: there's less emotion attached to it. Did you ever talk

560
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: to him about it? I mean, because most coaches, I think,

561
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: in that situation it's very awkward, it can be very uncomfortable,

562
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: but I think most coaches do try to say goodbye.

563
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong, maybe maybe it's fifty to fifty. I

564
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: don't know, But did you ever get a sense about

565
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: why he did it the way he did it without

566
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: at least saying, hey, look, I know this is too fast,

567
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: but it's Notre Dame and I'm gonna do it. I mean,

568
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: did you ever talk to him about that or ever

569
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: get a sense of why he took the approach.

570
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 4: He did then? No, I personally never got to talk

571
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: to him one on one on why he did that.

572
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 4: But in that Zoom call when we had our reunion,

573
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: he pretty much said when he was at Arkansas, I

574
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: don't know if I'm getting the story right or not,

575
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 4: but he had a athletic director that told him if

576
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 4: he ever got the A D job at Notre Dame,

577
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 4: he was gonna bring him. He was gonna he was

578
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 4: gonna get coach hoes to come there. And so I

579
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: believe that's what happened, like the ad got the job

580
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: and Notre Dame, and after that eighty five season, you know,

581
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: coach Hos you know, had a winning season and took

582
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 4: us to a ball game, but he didn't coach. So

583
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: that was the time for him to go. And so

584
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: I mean, nobody can be upset about with coach Hose

585
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: about making that decision. I mean, if I had at

586
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: that stage to have an opportunity to go to a bigger,

587
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: prestigious university, like you know, the Dame, I'm pretty sure

588
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: I would have took it. Also, so you know, when

589
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: as you get older, like you understand, like if you've

590
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 4: been around football long enough, you don't get those opportunities

591
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: to coach at those schools, And so that one popped

592
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: up for it and he had to go for it.

593
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a mature way to look at it,

594
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: and I think you're right in the end. But it

595
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: is interesting to hear you talk about projecting because you

596
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: know very well the history of football at the University

597
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: of Minnesota. Once he left, right, there were a lot

598
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: of hiccups before it finally seems to have who was stabilized,

599
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: And I guess that's the old thing. You'll never You'll

600
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: never know. But I believe you when you say there

601
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: is reason to think that at the very least the

602
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: program would be be on the map. Now, whether it

603
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: goes to you know, national championship aspirations, who knows. But

604
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: that's that's the great unknown, right Well, we'll never know, Unfortunately.

605
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: It is. And because if and the thing is the

606
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: way that they recruited, right, the way that they recruited

607
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: of but changed programs around. So he was getting you know,

608
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 4: he always said this, He goes, I'm gonna get my

609
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 4: athletes from the South, and I'll get my big guys

610
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: from the Midwest, and but I'm gonna get all of

611
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 4: my athletes from the South. And those are guys that

612
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: changed the game.

613
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: And so.

614
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: Even in nineteen eighty six, we went to Michigan and

615
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: beat them, you know, with coach Gudakins, right, So we

616
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: can all just imagine, right, and they were the number

617
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: two team in the nation. So we can all imagine

618
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 4: if coach host was here there into his third season,

619
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: you know, and then yeah, I just have to step

620
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: back and go, well he wasn't there.

621
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you think it for what it is, right, Well,

622
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 2: it's it's it's funny because if you go back to,

623
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 2: you know, the glory years of the early sixties, as

624
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure you well know, University of Minnesota with Murray Warmath.

625
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 2: One of the things, and we've talked about some of

626
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: the players about that, one of the ways they succeeded

627
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: was they recruited the South successfully. They recruited guess what,

628
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: black players who didn't have the chance even if they

629
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: wanted to to stay in the South, or perhaps didn't

630
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: want to, and and so there was a there was

631
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: a more of a willingness here obviously to not worry

632
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: about that nonsense and the and the color line. And

633
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: that's part of what elevated that program the national championship

634
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: status back in the beginnings of the beginning of the sixties.

635
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess there is something to say about the

636
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: brothers in the South, you know, but it's true, that's true,

637
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: and so and some coaches are willing to, you know,

638
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: to be able to recruit that area, especially back.

639
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: In those Yes, it was hard, right, it was.

640
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't easy, you know, it was hard.

641
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 4: So it just took coaches that had a vision, didn't

642
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: care and they knew that they could handle it, right,

643
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 4: Coach Host, he knew he could handle the color barrier.

644
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: I mean, talk to Coach Host. You knew this guy

645
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: didn't care anything about colors, right, He didn't care anything

646
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: about race. What he cared about was you as a person,

647
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: and he cared about his football program. And he wasn't

648
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: gonna let anything come in between those two things. And

649
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 4: that's that's the one thing that I love about Coach Host.

650
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: I've been able to spend time in his office with

651
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 4: him on more than one occasion, and the guy was phenomenal.

652
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 4: Like he's about, He's left a lasting impression on my life,

653
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: not only from a football standpoint, but just from a

654
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: personal standpoint to where when I became a coach in

655
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: high school, what I did I learned from Coach Hopes

656
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 4: and and it wasn't even know. It was getting to

657
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 4: know your players and you have to figure out what

658
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 4: they can and what they cannot do and build your

659
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: program and your success around your players.

660
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: He's He's of course always been going to be remembered

661
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: for his motivational speeches, including many that he gave to,

662
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: you know, to businesses after he stopped coaching. Do you

663
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: have a Is there a favorite lou Holtz motivational speech

664
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: that you remember from college? Any going in any particular game,

665
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 2: what was what do you remember about? You know, the

666
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: lou Holtz speech.

667
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: There's too many in a teen, but I do have

668
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 4: a favorite. Okay, So we're playing Purdue and nineteen eighty

669
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: five and Jim Evertt is the quarterback. He chomped at

670
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 4: the ball all over the field, probably as at least

671
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 4: three hundred here every day, and they're probably scoring thirty

672
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: to forty points a game. And it's a Wednesday, and

673
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: we're sitting watching the film as a team and film

674
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: studies over. Coach host gets up. He goes, we'll beat

675
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 4: this team by thirty and walks out, And so we're

676
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 4: looking around like, okay, if he just watched the same

677
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 4: film we're watching, they just put up forty points. I

678
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 4: think we beat them forty five to seventeen. Wow, we

679
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: kept Jim Everett on the bench. We ball controlled him.

680
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: And so if a guy, if coach host is telling

681
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 4: you to us on Wednesday and it happens on Saturday

682
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: ends up happening, well he gonna tell you anything, You're

683
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: gonna believe it, right, So that was. That was just

684
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: his thing. He came in the rocking room one one

685
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 4: time at halftime and I don't remember who was playing.

686
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 4: It was a nonconference game, and he runs in and

687
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 4: he had to vanilla folders, which he always kept in

688
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 4: his back pocket, and he runs in and he's screaming,

689
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 4: I told you, I told you, guys, this is gonna

690
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 4: be the score at halftime, and it was like twenty

691
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 4: one and nothing, and he's showing us on this vanilla

692
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 4: phober and he could have rolled it up right before.

693
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 4: And we didn't know, right, God, we believed right, but

694
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 4: we believed it right. So those are the type of

695
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 4: things that he did to get us prepared for every game.

696
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: Like he did this every weekend and week out. He

697
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 4: and on Fridays this was enough. This was one of

698
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: just biggest deal. So on Friday on I'll walkthrough. He

699
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: would have every player lay down on the field and

700
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 4: we're gonna meditate. So what Coachos would do he would

701
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: walk around and he would go over every situation in

702
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 4: a football game. And when he's done, he say, okay, okay, guys,

703
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 4: get up, just played the game for tomorrow. Now since

704
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: go out and have fun.

705
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: Those are great memory of that.

706
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: That's mental preparation. Like Coach Hos was special, Like they

707
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: made the big man made one Coach Hos and he

708
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 4: was like, God, that's gonna be good. That's he made

709
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 4: one of Coach Hos. And he's he's lost. He's left

710
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: a legacy in two short years at the University of

711
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 4: Minnesota that has like, honestly, it has lasted lifetime for us,

712
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 4: he told us because they worked with the Fortune five

713
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 4: hundreds back then and back in the mid eighties at Boosters.

714
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: He told our recruiting cap class in eighty four, he goes,

715
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 4: if you guys play here for four years, he goes,

716
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: you'll be here for forty and I think it's been

717
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: what forty two for me.

718
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: Now that suns right. Yeah, it's interesting to hear you say.

719
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: You know what comes across more than anything else again,

720
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: is it's a long It's been a long time, right,

721
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: Like you said, you're talking about forty some years ago,

722
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: and it sounds like you could tell a million more

723
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: of these stories, like each of them happened to you

724
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 2: or you were a part of them yesterday.

725
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: Oh, we can be on here all day, no question.

726
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 4: I mean the thing that he shared, right, And so

727
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 4: that's another great thing about about fo Chops, Like he

728
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: shared stuff with us, Like he had stories when he

729
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: was growing up. He has stories when he was coaching

730
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 4: other teams, and he shared those things with us. But

731
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 4: the bottom line that I think we all took some

732
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: CoA chokes in that little short period of time is

733
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: don't forget who you are. Be who you are and

734
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 4: make the next guy to you special. Also, they carry

735
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 4: your teammates. Like he was hearing coach right, you could

736
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 4: he he wasn't an eye guy like Coach wasn't. It

737
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: wasn't all about him. He wasn't an eye guy. He

738
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 4: cared one hundred percent about his players, his coaching staff,

739
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: the water boys, the equipment manager, uh medical staff, he

740
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 4: cared about the secretary. But he cared about everybody. And

741
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 4: so everybody was involved. Everybody was on board, and the

742
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 4: bottom line was like everybody was on the same page.

743
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: Because you can't take a one in ten team and No.

744
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: Eighty three and eighty four eighty five. I think we

745
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 4: went seven and four and eighty five. I might be wrong,

746
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: but you that's that is hard to do because.

747
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: Big ten.

748
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: Back then, like you didn't have to play it in

749
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 4: a comfort game like Big Ten was tough, and so yeah,

750
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 4: I just the only thing I can say it was special,

751
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: Like he's one of the guys that God made and

752
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 4: he was just gonna be that guy that was gonna

753
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 4: be special.

754
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: Well, you know what what also occurs to me is

755
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: you as you as you talk about him, Ricky is

756
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: again at the time that he left, it had to hurt,

757
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 2: It had to be stunning. And ye, what stays with

758
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: you isn't that, you know, what stays with you is

759
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: the other stuff, the the nourishment you think you got

760
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: from him, and just your own experiences on a much

761
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: more positive level, despite the fact that it had to,

762
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: you know, be devastating when when he walked away. But

763
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: this is the stuff that has stayed with you.

764
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know, he gave there an opportunity, right yeah,

765
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 4: we gave the opportunity to a quarterback in the mid

766
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: eighties at a predominantly all white university.

767
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: Right true.

768
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 4: And so only black folks we've seen was the basketball

769
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: team and our teammates on the football team, and so

770
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 4: being a black quarterback, and I've never hopped on that

771
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 4: because you know, that's not the way I was raised, like,

772
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: give him an opportunity, I can show you I can play.

773
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: And coach Hos did that and he and I think

774
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 4: at the end of the day it worked out for

775
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 4: both of us. And the one thing he always told

776
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: me when I did talk to him, he would go, riky,

777
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 4: if it wasn't for you, son, I wouldn't have got

778
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: that job at the University of know the Dame. And

779
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: what I would tell him, I'm like, so, well, you know,

780
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: you could give me a little kick back, but no,

781
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 4: that's just appreciation I have for him, Like he gave

782
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 4: me an opportunity to play. He knew I could play.

783
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: He's seen it at me. He would always tell me,

784
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: he goes, you can't throw it with a dun But

785
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: there's just something about you.

786
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: Make place right. That was the deal. That's what he

787
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 2: understood about the game. It's just making enough place to win. Well,

788
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: have you ever like thought about, all right, what your

789
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: college career might have been like if he'd stay there. Now,

790
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: you mentioned you had a lot of the people that

791
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: you still respected. But you know again holts Is holts Man, Goody,

792
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 2: you know was fine, But it's Lou Holtz, Well I got.

793
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I got a glimpse of it, right. And

794
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 4: so the thing is is that when coach host left,

795
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: right and so, and like you said, coach Goody, he was.

796
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 4: He was goody, did a good job and he was fined.

797
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 4: But you're talking two different personalities, right. So Coach Holts

798
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 4: was the fiery guy, smallness statue, didn't nobody even think

799
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: about taking the bait because he would. He would chew

800
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 4: you out in a heartbeat. But his personality drew and businesses.

801
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: His personality brought in crowds to the Metrodome to where

802
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 4: what fifty eight to sixty thousand sayans at our home games,

803
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 4: and his personality was able to allow him to recruit

804
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 4: the counter of athletes that he wanted to recruit. And

805
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: so no, like my freshman in sophomore year, like it was,

806
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 4: it was awesome on the coach host. And so I

807
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 4: think my career would have kept ascending. I think I

808
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: had a pretty good career college career. But I think

809
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 4: as a team and I think that we would.

810
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Have got more wins for sure.

811
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: On the coach host. He would have you know, he

812
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 4: would have continued to recruit and he would have continued

813
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 4: to get you know, better players, for his football program.

814
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: So there's no question, you know, and you know, who

815
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: knows we would have won a dig ten title? Who knows, right,

816
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 4: And so that's another unknown, that's what we was chasing.

817
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 4: And so in his second year we got the seven wins.

818
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 4: He stays and he's still recruiting the way he does. Yeah,

819
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 4: it's just hard. Yeah, we just don't know.

820
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 2: A side note with him, he has sort of gotten

821
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: blamed for the Gophers recommitting University of Minnesota recommitting to

822
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: playing Gopher games in the Metrodome, a building that is

823
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know. Glenn Mason, a weekly guest on

824
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: this show, despised, you know, just said he just couldn't

825
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: stand it. What do you remember about that? Is that true?

826
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: Because I think he he basically testified that no, this

827
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: is that our players want to play or in the

828
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: metro Dome. And shortly thereafter I think there was a

829
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: vote to sort of commit for a much longer period

830
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 2: of time, to sort of recommit to the Dome. Do

831
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: you remember anything about all that?

832
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 4: No, I don't, But that was another recruiting to right

833
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: from the from the guys from the south.

834
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

835
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 4: So when I came, when I came, they took me

836
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: to the end for practice facility check. That's a win.

837
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 4: He got a practice outside, it took me to it

838
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 4: took me to the Metro Dome. Yeah, well that's another

839
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: I got the play inside. And they showed us when

840
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 4: we were walking around on campus, is that they have

841
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: underground tunnels to where you can go to school, get

842
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 4: to get to the different buildings if you need to

843
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 4: if it's too cold, well that's check check check for me.

844
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: And then as an option quarterback, well what better place

845
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: for it for you to run indoor on turf And

846
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: we walk out in the field and they're ifty eight

847
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 4: to sixty thousand people indoors. We loved it. Yeah, I

848
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 4: didn't have I didn't know one player on our football

849
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 4: team when we was playing at the Metro Dome ever complained.

850
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 4: I know, I didn't. I enjoyed the Metro Dome. I

851
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 4: had a blast playing in front of that crowd.

852
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 2: That is interesting because the perception changed so much over

853
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 2: the years. For sure. We are chatting with the former

854
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: Gopher quarterback Ricky Foggy. Do you remember one of the

855
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: first times you and I chatted and where it was?

856
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: You know, I'm fifty nine don't you.

857
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a lot older than that. To tell you

858
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: the truth, it was in Memphis, Tennessee. This was before

859
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: the Liberty Bowl, and I asked you about I had

860
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: just made a visit to the Lorraine Motel, where, of

861
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 2: course MLK had been assassinated with the idea of writing

862
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: a column about, you know, spending some time on that

863
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: ground and then talking to a couple of players about

864
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: you know, that sad part of Memphis's history. And it's

865
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: one of the first times you and I chatted and

866
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: we had a good, as I recall, a really good

867
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:58,479
Speaker 2: conversation about that, because you know, there's not the point

868
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: of the column was that location wasn't going to be

869
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: on the tour, despite its historic importance. I guess for

870
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: the obvious reasons that if you're bringing people in for

871
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: a Bowl games, they don't want to have to think

872
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: about this those sorts of things. But I got to

873
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: tell you, man, it was it was. It was very

874
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: moving to be in that location. It was sad to

875
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: think about, but it was also very educational to spend

876
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 2: some time there. That's one of the first times we talked.

877
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, and you know, I'm I don't remember.

878
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: I do remember, isn't that what Elvis grew up at?

879
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 4: Correct and we went to his house and went on

880
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 4: his plane. I do remember that about Memphis, Yeah, because

881
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 4: I grew up a huge is that right?

882
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I think I remember something about that as

883
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: uh as well. And by the way that they've actually

884
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: then since then, they've made more of a museum there.

885
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: It's actually a lot better set up. They got good funding,

886
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's very tough place given the momentous

887
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: history that has evolved there. But it was very educational

888
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: for me for sure.

889
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 4: Uh, it's great to catch up bucket list.

890
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's again, it's it's not easy. There's

891
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: you know, because there's there's, it's there's it's nothing but tough.

892
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: But I you know, it it it it. It moved me,

893
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: you know, just sort of going through there and you

894
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: could feel, you could just feel the history and how

895
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: history turned in terms of the civil rights movement because

896
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: obviously no one has ever been able to replace that legend,

897
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 2: no one's ever been able to come close to what

898
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: he represented. It's really good to good to catch up

899
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: with you.

900
00:52:59,239 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 5: Uh.

901
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Definitely enjoyed the stories I got to give my producer,

902
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: regular producer, Justin guard credit. I should have thought of it,

903
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: and I didn't. He did, and he and and I

904
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 2: had been out yesterday, so I was kind of out

905
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: of the loop. And he said, hey, would you have

906
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: would you would you be willing to have Ricky Foggy on?

907
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: I said, hell, yes, it's been way too long since

908
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: we've had him on. And so you've given us a

909
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: great a lot of insight, some great memories as well

910
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: into what what Lou represented to you and what he

911
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: meant to.

912
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I leave it to Justin to come through boars

913
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 4: and and I just want to say and close it

914
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 4: that it really was. It was. It was one of

915
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 4: those things that you go through in life and a person,

916
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 4: a coach, a friend, or somebody that comes along and

917
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: you just know that they're different.

918
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: And that was Coach Hoes.

919
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm so blessed that he touched us

920
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 4: for two years like those those two years will last

921
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: in a lifetime, like it seriously will. And this guy

922
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: installed in our football team the heart of a lion,

923
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 4: and he taught us how to just go out, play hard,

924
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 4: play together, be a team, and love each other. And

925
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: that was that was his whole thing, trust, love and

926
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 4: here and so I appreciate coach Hos for that. We

927
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 4: know he's rested in heaven and he did it. He

928
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 4: did a fine job when he was here on earth.

929
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: Well, you've done a great job humanizing him because I

930
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 2: got a text a little bit earlier from a texture

931
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: Todd who maybe you know, it's a little younger and

932
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 2: didn't know all the whole stuff. In fact, he wrote

933
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: he was just always for me, kind of a goofy

934
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 2: old guy on TV who talked funny. It's really eye

935
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: opening and worth it to listen to what Ricky's had

936
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: to say painting this picture because obviously there's a lot

937
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: more to them. So you've done a great job with that.

938
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 2: I appreciate your generosity in terms of how the time

939
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 2: today And as I said, I hope you're doing well.

940
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: It's always good to hear your voice.

941
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 4: Hey, thanks Dan, and I'm doing just fine waiting for

942
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 4: a golf season.

943
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: There you go, it's coming, it's coming. Thanks again, take care,

944
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: Thank you. Former going to go for quarterback Ricky Foggy

945
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: with outstanding insight and memories on the late Lou Holtz,

946
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: A legendary coach. Stay down, Brett Blakemore, what kind of

947
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: trouble are you starting wanting to cause here? You posted

948
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 2: this a couple hours ago. I can't stand the full

949
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 2: ice skate to the student section. What's wrong with you?

950
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 2: Do you like it? I don't know that I've given

951
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 2: it as much thought as you had, to be honest

952
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: with you. So they do that intentionally.

953
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: They make it so in the first and third period,

954
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 3: and you attack away from your student section, so that

955
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: way you have to skate two hundred feet to the

956
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 3: other side of the ice to celebrate your student section.

957
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: And you watch the kids in the tournament, and they're

958
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: so tired, and they're skating hard, and they score, and

959
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 3: then they sprint.

960
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 2: Down as fast as they humanly can.

961
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 3: Why can't you have fun? Let the kids have some fun.

962
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: I'm not anti fun. I'm the opposite way. Let them

963
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: just celebrate anywhere. Get rid of this old sportsmanship penalty.

964
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: God forbid, they can't celebrate in front of the other

965
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: school student section.

966
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: Give me a break, gall up and let them have fun.

967
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: I think it's a subject we can expand upon and

968
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: maybe have some fun with tomorrow. But I am woefully

969
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: behind because we went long after our Ricky Foggy or

970
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 2: during our Ricky Foggy conversation because it was so good.

971
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: So let's do this, let's break again, we'll come back,

972
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: wrap up the show and let you know what we

973
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: have coming up tomorrow, what you might have missed earlier

974
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: in a very busy program. It's the Bumper to Bumper

975
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: Show rap brought to by American Pressure. Well, let me

976
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: amend add to at least my thanks to regular producer

977
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: Guardsey on the Ricky Foggy get. I've been reminded by

978
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: him that the inspiration was Chad Abbott, the always thinking

979
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: programming director of the Fans. So we thank Chad Abbott

980
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 2: as well. And again when I first got to town

981
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: late in eighty six, he was here. Obviously Foggy was here,

982
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: and I always enjoyed talking to him, that's for sure.

983
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: So should have been on my mind as well that

984
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 2: he's the perfect guest to have on to chat about

985
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: the late great Lou Holtz. So that worked out great.

986
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: I hope folks enjoyed it. Also want to thank Russo

987
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: Radio who joined at four with the latest trade steam

988
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: and as you mentioned, Rept. Blake Moore it's sounding more

989
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: and more from Russo's reporting or what he told us,

990
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: that it may be more surprising that the Wild make

991
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: a deal then the other way, that he thinks on

992
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: a couple of players the price might be too high,

993
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: and that Garren's not going to necessarily just gonna, you know, blink.

994
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 2: We have until I think, well, we'll know by showtime

995
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: tomorrow because the trade deadline is two o'clock Central, so

996
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: we'll know by then. The good stuff from Russo today.

997
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 3: Also side note Molly Walker, an NHL reporter, yes for

998
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: the Rangers and hearing Vincent Trochek will not play tonight

999
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: for the Rangers roster management. So maybe he's already the

1000
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: platform somewhere else, could be someplace here or here.

1001
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: Who knows that they lower the price. Who's to say?

1002
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: Mitch Lawrence always good to catch up with him on

1003
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: NBA matters Between four point thirty and five o'clock. He

1004
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 2: had a lot of fans very very very bitter. Do

1005
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: we have time? We have another request for the Hermantown sound.

1006
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: Is there enough time to do that?

1007
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 4: Now?

1008
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: Let's head to the X for a high school hockey

1009
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: tournament update. Well, let me make sure he's there hang out.

1010
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: I don't know thought he was there. He's not even

1011
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 2: ready yet, Zach Are you there yet? Did you find him?

1012
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: I found him?

1013
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 4: Zach? You there?

1014
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: I was just in the press conference for Bruce Planned

1015
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 5: after their six to five victory over Saint Claude Cathedral,

1016
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 5: and they're obviously pretty happy. A heck of a hockey game,

1017
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 5: the second of two great games here at the x

1018
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 5: lest far. It sets up a Class A championship game

1019
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 5: tomorrow between Hermantown and monta Celo Anderdale maypol Lake so

1020
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 5: guards the bre It's gonna be a why do you

1021
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 5: catch your breath?

1022
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1023
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: Right? I literally sprinted across the Saber press pocket. Is

1024
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: there a medic at the Xcel Energy Center de Feeding Center?

1025
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take over from here and we'll get

1026
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,439
Speaker 2: back here here a little bit later. You catch your breath?

1027
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: We don't want Yeah, you're radio now, you.

1028
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 4: Think you guys? Think so?

1029
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: All right?

1030
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: Hold on, if you're not doing an echo in my ear,

1031
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 5: if you could take that out.

1032
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 2: Got an echo? Is what he's gone, ab Abbot, it's

1033
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: Abbitt's fault. He's got an echo. Probably probably It never

1034
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: gets old. And this this is the week to play

1035
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: it into the ground. So I'm sure we'll play it

1036
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: a couple more times tomorrow as well. Right there it is.

1037
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: It's as good as it gets. So action on the

1038
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: double A side continues on our sister station.

1039
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: Correct, that's correct, featuring Halverson exactly KFN plus ninety six

1040
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 3: to seven.

1041
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: You can hear the game going on right now. It's

1042
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: one of the great moves. That again, doing a lot

1043
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 2: of thanking of Chad Abbott today, but he deserves it.

1044
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: One of the great moves he's made. Right is us

1045
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: carving out this niche, as we say in the business,

1046
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 2: to make the state of hockey on the high school

1047
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: level available to you on the radio. I've never understood

1048
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: why it wasn't more automatic, So uh, that's the place

1049
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 2: to get all of it. Tomorrow is going to be

1050
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: I think is shaping up to be a pretty good

1051
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 2: show as well. I'm assuming Guestling will join tomorrow because

1052
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: I do want to talk to him about the Kyler

1053
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: Murray steam also Lavelle on everything, and I'm about the

1054
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: return of Robert Smith to the program. Cor Vikings running back.

1055
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: He has scheduled for three point thirty tomorrow. He's kind

1056
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: of gotten in on the quarterback discussion and gotten squashed

1057
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: via x because he seemed to be celebrating the notion

1058
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: that Kyler Murray might be coming to Minnesota. So we'll

1059
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 2: get to the bottom of that as well. So tonight

1060
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 2: is what Phantom the Man in the Air.

1061
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 3: Fantom Demand fifteen minutes leading into Wolves Pregame, Wolves.

1062
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: Raptors, Wolves Raptors, and once again, Anthony Edwards has been

1063
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: upgraded to in after being questionable earlier in the day.

1064
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 2: Just make sure you post everything, That's all I ask. Yeah, yeah,

1065
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 2: I'll get right. It seems like you're in a battle

1066
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: via the text line on that, Yeah, don't do what

1067
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: I do. Don't get into these battles. It's not worth it.

1068
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching, Thank you for listening, and we will

1069
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 2: talk to you tomorrow beginning at three o'clock. Right here

1070
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: in the film, Oh

1071
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 4: I