Speaker 1: In American way to midweek, here we go Scott's flown
Speaker 1: back on seven hundred w WELW. He called it intolerable.
Speaker 1: One of the latest, the longest list of adjectives I've
Speaker 1: ever heard about crime in Cincinnati. The new one is intolerable.
Speaker 1: That would be your adjective of the day, is what
Speaker 1: mayor have to Puerval called the violence downtown, the back
Speaker 1: to back shootings on Fountain Square and says significant changes
Speaker 1: are coming after all that. So we're going to see
Speaker 1: swat on Fountain Square. We're going to see the Civil
Speaker 1: Disturbance Response Team whatever that is, on Fountain Square, and
Speaker 1: it's going to look like parts of Gaza. Chief Terry
Speaker 1: Thiji is commanding her officers to make contact with people
Speaker 1: for even the most minor offenses. That's called the broken
Speaker 1: windows theory of policing, which is just absolutely as sailed
Speaker 1: for years by progressives, is just punching down on people
Speaker 1: and stopping them and causing distrust in the community. And now,
Speaker 1: guess what turns out that strategy might work a little bit. Huh.
Speaker 1: But before the Mayor's Presser Council had a public safety
Speaker 1: hearing yesterday, it was really hard to hear that, and
Speaker 1: you could hear the frustration from residents. Listen, I am
Speaker 1: not able to tell future tenants and they would be safe.
Speaker 2: I've been down the district to a couple times myself.
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like we're getting the results that
Speaker 1: we need to make our tenants feel safe.
Speaker 2: It feels like something has shifted.
Speaker 1: Two of our best friends who live in the neighborhood
Speaker 1: have decided to move.
Speaker 2: The violence has just gotten out of control.
Speaker 1: Honest and more is council member Anna, I'll be with
Speaker 1: law in public safety. She sits on the committee and
Speaker 1: sat through that difficult testimony yesterday, Anna, good morning, how
Speaker 1: you been by?
Speaker 2: Good morning? Thanks got having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, your reaction when you're sitting there listening to
Speaker 1: all these people say, look, I have his investment of property,
Speaker 1: and I'm a landlord who I feel him is imagine going, hey,
Speaker 1: I have people who won't rent because they afraid they're
Speaker 1: going to get shot, or someone has said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: my circle of friends, they're all moving out because they've
Speaker 1: got small kids, or they just fear their safety. That
Speaker 1: was some of the most telling testimony I think I've
Speaker 1: heard in a long time, and it shows you how
Speaker 1: far gone things are. What was your immediate reaction.
Speaker 2: Well, immediately in the moment, I made sure my staff
Speaker 2: got all those folks compact information, and I was taking
Speaker 2: diligent notes. You know, I take all of this very
Speaker 2: very seriously. You know, public safety, making sure people feel
Speaker 2: safe is my number one priority, and I know that shared.
Speaker 2: So I followed up afterwards with the city manager and
Speaker 2: the police chief listing out the issues that we heard.
Speaker 2: I took notes on the exact location, so you know
Speaker 2: we're going to take action here. I also spoke with
Speaker 2: the assistant police chief yesterday about another issue that was
Speaker 2: brought to my attention. So we're really taking action here
Speaker 2: and using police based solutions to really dig into what's
Speaker 2: happening in this specific spot to make sure that we
Speaker 2: can everyone feels safe, feel safe in our safe right.
Speaker 2: It'stion plus reality.
Speaker 1: I'm hereath the Grapevines about Well, we heard this small
Speaker 1: learning about Jeff Ruby's Lempica, which used to be the
Speaker 1: main location in the Art deco restaurant on Seventh Street,
Speaker 1: and they've now turned that into an event space. Actually,
Speaker 1: I was at a wedding there a few months ago.
Speaker 1: And this absolutely spectaculars way over the top. It's so nice.
Speaker 1: They're closing that location and maybe a beef with the
Speaker 1: landlord with Town Properties, which I get because there's some
Speaker 1: safety issues like door if not being locked and things
Speaker 1: like that, and so we don't feel safe and our
Speaker 1: businesses compromise. So we're closing that up despite a huge
Speaker 1: investment in that. Don't know what it's going to become
Speaker 1: in the future, if anything, but that's a loss, and
Speaker 1: they're moving their business operations to Wallut Street. But you know,
Speaker 1: behind these scenes, I guess they're hearing rumors that there's
Speaker 1: maybe some threats there saying, hey, we if we got
Speaker 1: gun you know, people shooting each other on Fountain Square
Speaker 1: across from our beautiful flagship restaurant on Fountain Square. And
Speaker 1: now we've had the shooting the other we had what
Speaker 1: two shootings in the last few days on Fountain Square,
Speaker 1: like right in front of Rubies. That's not a place
Speaker 1: where people are gonna feel safe coming to. Our clientele's
Speaker 1: not gonna be safe. We're gonna have to we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to move. Losing that would send I think a
Speaker 1: tutle wave of problems for those who sit on council
Speaker 1: and those who seek to be re elected or elected
Speaker 1: might be a good thing for them. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's true or not, Anna, but that that's
Speaker 1: really really telling there. If we have flagship restaurants, if
Speaker 1: we have the culinary name in Cincinnati going, we can't
Speaker 1: be in Cincinnati. You lost.
Speaker 2: So I can't comment on you know, the speaks of
Speaker 2: landlords or any of that details. I know probably as
Speaker 2: much as you reading in the press. But again, this
Speaker 2: council and mayor and administration, we're truly taking action. You
Speaker 2: heard yesterday from the slice chief and the mayor new
Speaker 2: plans around Sountain Square, both from looking at transportation patterns
Speaker 2: what we need to do to kind of spread out
Speaker 2: the people and make sure that we have bet Are coverage,
Speaker 2: also bringing in additional support from law enforcement. So that
Speaker 2: is the work we're doing. I mean, I think what
Speaker 2: was most shocking to me was the most recent an
Speaker 2: incident and where it's the fact that we had four
Speaker 2: officers there. Yep, right, and that's that's just shocking behavior.
Speaker 2: I think we all just have to name it that
Speaker 2: that is insane. Right. However, many years ago, knowing that
Speaker 2: four officers were a matter of yards away from you
Speaker 2: would have been at a turrent. So you know this,
Speaker 2: this is a new level, and we are stepping up
Speaker 2: to the plate to provide more resources, new resources, partnering
Speaker 2: with the governor, partnering with the sheriff's office, doing all
Speaker 2: of that work to really try to tackle what's happening.
Speaker 1: But isn't that an indication Anna that it's too far gone?
Speaker 1: I mean that, you know, it's not like everyone's gonna
Speaker 1: pull up stakes. But you know, all this action now, okay, great,
Speaker 1: but if the bad guys aren't obeying law enforcement, there's
Speaker 1: a cop standing right there, I'm gonna shoot at you anyway.
Speaker 1: All the adjectives, all the superlatives, all the patrols, all
Speaker 1: the curfews. What you're saying is it hasn't done anything
Speaker 1: to stop the violence. And that then tells me that
Speaker 1: we moved that, that our leaders moved way too late
Speaker 1: on us.
Speaker 2: You know, here, here's what I would say. It would
Speaker 2: be really helpful if we had support from the state
Speaker 2: in terms of laws, because there are too many guns
Speaker 2: on our street. And you know, I'm going to talk
Speaker 2: about this all day. It is too easy to get
Speaker 2: firearms legally and too we can get them easily illegally
Speaker 2: as well. And so it'll be really great if Ohio
Speaker 2: had some stronger gun laws or we could actually go
Speaker 2: after getting somebod climb off the street harder. And you
Speaker 2: know that's part of the work of the Crime Gun
Speaker 2: Intelligence Center, and we partner with the APS, with local
Speaker 2: law enslorcement, the Ohio State controls helping us with us like,
Speaker 2: there are too many guns, and I think we just
Speaker 2: all need to acknowledge are too many guns on our streets.
Speaker 2: And that is why I'm really passionate about we need
Speaker 2: stronger laws at the state level, hopefully at the federal
Speaker 2: level that actually empower us to go get the firearms
Speaker 2: pop of the handle games with people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I let me push back on that. A couple
Speaker 1: of points. Number one would be we have federal laws.
Speaker 1: The law says if you are a felon and you
Speaker 1: you're carrying a gun, you've now escalated that you go
Speaker 1: to prison. And yet we have judges, largely progressive judges
Speaker 1: that see juveniles, that see people go, oh, you got
Speaker 1: a gun. You're not supposed to have a gun. You
Speaker 1: cut your ankle, bonder, Yeah, you're good, go ahead, It's fine,
Speaker 1: we'll catch it a later date. I mean, weep. You
Speaker 1: keep calling for tougher laws, but you're not enforcing the
Speaker 1: laws in the books. Why aren't we getting tougher with
Speaker 1: people who are who end up getting jammed up with
Speaker 1: a gun and they right out of a felony. That's
Speaker 1: that's called having a gun to disability. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but we have judges in Cincinnati that allow that.
Speaker 2: Hey, our judges are making sure that laws are performed
Speaker 2: and executed.
Speaker 1: And are they're not, otherwise they wouldn't have this.
Speaker 2: Hey, agree to disagree on this one, right, That's that's fair.
Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 2: think we have too many guns. I support the work
Speaker 2: of our Crime Intelligence Center going after those because it is.
Speaker 2: It was shocking to me to watch the video in
Speaker 2: the Prep Sumping District with the police chief and how
Speaker 2: casually someone was able to just pull gun out, shoot
Speaker 2: shoot at people and walk away. Right, That's that's horrifict
Speaker 2: We can all right.
Speaker 1: Because they know there's no consequences if I do that.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, officers are on the scene pretty pretty quickly, right,
Speaker 2: So like it now, it's a matter of putting together
Speaker 2: the case and going through with that and that again,
Speaker 2: that is where we have to do off into the
Speaker 2: job from the city perspective of putting together strong cases
Speaker 2: so our judges have all the information. And frankly, we're
Speaker 2: doing work to working with the judicial system on improving
Speaker 2: our technology in the courtrooms making sure that information is
Speaker 2: more readily available that we had that we were able
Speaker 2: to provide all that case information. So here's the I'm
Speaker 2: the only only to my family who's not a lawyer.
Speaker 2: My brother is actually a prosecutor in the Federal Office
Speaker 2: and VC. But you know, these lawyers, you know, haveing
Speaker 2: making sure the prosecutors have all the information that day
Speaker 2: in front of them with technology, that is a big
Speaker 2: challenge right now. So we are working the city puts
Speaker 2: dollars together and there's a whole kind of task force
Speaker 2: with our judges where we're making sure that we're empowering
Speaker 2: our judges and our prosecutors and our officers with all
Speaker 2: the technologies to make sure all that information is at
Speaker 2: their fingertips. Decisions are being made off the.
Speaker 1: Court, but the problem is they're not. And you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think gun laws may do something in the future,
Speaker 1: probably not because I think the other element of two
Speaker 1: analby is how are the people, especially juveniles, getting guns
Speaker 1: so well they're breaking into cars? Well, why are people
Speaker 1: live in guns and cars? Is because I think a
Speaker 1: couple of things. Number one would be there's a lot
Speaker 1: of places we are not allowed to carry by law,
Speaker 1: and so I say, hey, I don't feel safe in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: If I come downtown, I'm gonna come with a gun,
Speaker 1: come heavy and okay. If I got to go somewhere
Speaker 1: to leave in my car, I think that's just a
Speaker 1: It's like a self fulfilling prophecy. The more unsafe people feel,
Speaker 1: the more they feel they need to arm themselves. They
Speaker 1: can't bring it in, so they're leaving the car, which
Speaker 1: encourages people to break into cars and steal guns.
Speaker 2: You have talked about secure firearm storage in cars of force,
Speaker 2: So I know, no, this is a place where we
Speaker 2: can both agree in terms of making sure that you know,
Speaker 2: if a gun, if you're bringing it downtown, that's pure legal, right,
Speaker 2: let's have it locked up.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So we're doing a couple of things. One, we're increasing
Speaker 2: our requirements when it comes to parking garages and parking
Speaker 2: lots on what's needed in terms of better lighting, can landscaping, security,
Speaker 2: and then we're also going to have PtD go out
Speaker 2: and provide a feeding system for all those garages. So
Speaker 2: you as a responsible citizens driving downtown to say, oh,
Speaker 2: because of an ADC or D, whatever the scale is,
Speaker 2: this is a safe place that's meeting the security requirements.
Speaker 2: This isn't right, So caret and a stick approach. But
Speaker 2: in addition to that, I've been working with CPD and
Speaker 2: we've started handing out gun space for cars. At the
Speaker 2: last few home bangals games, that's the home most opener.
Speaker 2: We had over seventy seven people come up and grab
Speaker 2: a gun law, and so that's the work I'm trying
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: As a gun owner myself, I like, okay, I think
Speaker 1: you know, I hate more burden on people like myself
Speaker 1: because the overwhelming majority, almost all the gunners are responsible people.
Speaker 1: You know, talk about the guns on the streets and
Speaker 1: it's getting out there because responsible people are tired of
Speaker 1: de policing and you know, the lax enforcement of our laws.
Speaker 1: I got all these laws that I have to buy
Speaker 1: buy as a Second Amendment rights holder, but and it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like the criminal element cares about that they're
Speaker 1: going to rob my stuff. It's that's the frustration. But
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that if you're responsible gun, there's
Speaker 1: gotta be something relative to making sure your gun when
Speaker 1: it's stored safely, not just in a you know, a
Speaker 1: console or a glove box or into the seat or
Speaker 1: see something along those lines. It has to be in
Speaker 1: a physical safe that that should be by rule. She's
Speaker 1: council member and I'll be sits on law in public safety,
Speaker 1: hearing it from citizens yesterday in a meeting, people saying
Speaker 1: what am I going to tell prospective tenants if they
Speaker 1: ask if it are going to be safe downtown and
Speaker 1: people moving out, and it is unraveling when you see
Speaker 1: gunfire and consecutive and what three over the course of
Speaker 1: a weekend. Basically we had two shootouts the other one
Speaker 1: of the other night where someone who was sitting at
Speaker 1: City Bird and someone pulls out a gun, fires a
Speaker 1: couple of shots in the window. Still haven't caught the
Speaker 1: guy yet, And I think we need to make examples
Speaker 1: of these people. I really really do on that. One
Speaker 1: of the problems is, as I understand it, as you
Speaker 1: understand it too, isn't it like people getting off at
Speaker 1: the metro station of Government Square, and then then that's
Speaker 1: where the beats start.
Speaker 2: So I think it's lots of you know, people getting
Speaker 2: off there and more of just how do we spread
Speaker 2: out kind of the mass of people, if that makes sense. Right,
Speaker 2: We have a lot of people coming in at once.
Speaker 2: So that's part of the what the mayor is working
Speaker 2: with sorta on is, hey, how do we kind of
Speaker 2: distribute these bus routes a little bit more again, makes
Speaker 2: it easier for us to have you know, coverage when
Speaker 2: it comes to officers and all of that. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not I just want to be really clear, there
Speaker 2: is no part of this so the saying that people
Speaker 2: use our wonderful public transportation or criminals, that's not what
Speaker 2: we're saying. But we're trying to use some place based
Speaker 2: problem solving here, right, And if we're seeing, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of a cluster of issues happening around one space,
Speaker 2: how can we spread out the people the bodies right
Speaker 2: to maybe just use some of the conflict because what
Speaker 2: I'm under how I understand it is some of these
Speaker 2: are starting as personal talk with right, Like people are
Speaker 2: getting into fights and unfortunately they're armed and that's vacillating.
Speaker 1: That's that's what the last two we're talking about worst,
Speaker 1: you know, just stupid street beefs between people who knew
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's where some of the reflections
Speaker 2: I've been doing frankly, over the past day and a half,
Speaker 2: it's been it's just been around, how do we, you know,
Speaker 2: teach conflict resolution. I know that sounds maybe very but
Speaker 2: you know, how do we help people, even starting in
Speaker 2: our schools, And these are conversations I've had with our
Speaker 2: school boards start kind of teaching conflict drives. We have
Speaker 2: a young age, so people can learn how that's turned
Speaker 2: down the temperature, sure, because it's just it's just you know,
Speaker 2: too easy.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's true of all of us. But that
Speaker 1: doesn't fix the now we have. You know, we have
Speaker 1: adults acting like toddlers and they have guns, and that's
Speaker 1: the unfortunate part. My point is, and maybe something that
Speaker 1: should be explored is I'll be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: and when I talk to cops and others saying, you know, Metro,
Speaker 1: it's like this funnel and not you're certainly not everyone
Speaker 1: who's ride the Metro that most people are just trying
Speaker 1: to get from point A to point being live their lives.
Speaker 1: But you've got criminal elements on there kind of looking
Speaker 1: for trouble. We've heard horror stories about metrobus drivers getting
Speaker 1: shot and everything else. And it largely centers around Metro
Speaker 1: the Government Square station, and it's such a critical area
Speaker 1: to our infrastructure that's now spilling over to Fountain Square itself.
Speaker 1: You know, we have the Fort Washington away underground garage.
Speaker 1: It's not going used. And I know the cry was,
Speaker 1: well it's too far from Fountain Square. You know what
Speaker 1: you need. I'm sorry, But if for me I've closed
Speaker 1: that Government Square metro station, I'd make it a stop.
Speaker 1: I'd move everything to Fort Washington a way. You have
Speaker 1: an entrance and egress points. You can monitor that with cameras,
Speaker 1: you could have gunspotder technology, face technology. You have a
Speaker 1: confined area that you can easily police and shut it
Speaker 1: down if you have to, and you can control who's
Speaker 1: coming in and coming out. More importantly, keep an eye
Speaker 1: on people and lock it down if you have to.
Speaker 1: To get a bad guy with a gun and then run,
Speaker 1: I don't know, run a shuttle or a bus that
Speaker 1: looks like a trolley to Fountain Square to get people there.
Speaker 1: It just seems to me like you got to get
Speaker 1: that Metro station at Government Square is a problem. I
Speaker 1: think we got to shut that down and move it.
Speaker 2: I think everything worth discussing for now. It's the kind
Speaker 2: of changing up the route to disperse that kind of
Speaker 2: cluster Government Square. So you know, that is a step
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Again, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that in this conversation we're not dehumanizing people run the
Speaker 2: ride the bus because you know, personally, I feel very
Speaker 2: passionately that we have a working public transit and infrastructure
Speaker 2: because it's important right how most people are just getting
Speaker 2: to their jobs, and it's also how in some of
Speaker 2: our kids are getting to schools, people getting to you
Speaker 2: know whatever fun.
Speaker 1: Well, they don't deserve all this. That's the point. You're
Speaker 1: trying to protect them. We're trying to protect them by saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll just run a We'll run a shuttle to Fountain
Speaker 1: Square for those people got another bus to Fountain Square.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem that hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I'm open to all these conversations with Metro.
Speaker 2: You know, they they are the experts on their bus routes.
Speaker 2: But for now that we are working collaboratively with them
Speaker 2: on this kind of first step to this. First those
Speaker 2: bus routes try to spread out the crowds to your
Speaker 2: point of like what we have too many people kind
Speaker 2: of concentrate on one spot and just one of those
Speaker 2: people has to be up to no goods to cause
Speaker 2: safe issues for everyone. And I think that also comes
Speaker 2: with frankly, you know, for officers who are down there.
Speaker 2: You heard from the Chief yesterday talking through art Wet
Speaker 2: we got to be alert, right, We've got to have
Speaker 2: our eyes out open for what could be happening. And
Speaker 2: that's to where you know, we have community advocates who
Speaker 2: are down there and you know, learning simple kind of
Speaker 2: this is what a body language triggers of like oh
Speaker 2: that could be turning into a fight. Being much more
Speaker 2: aware and picking up on that faster. And that's what
Speaker 2: I heard from the chief right yesterday and her remarks
Speaker 2: with the press conference is Okay, we a CPD are
Speaker 2: going to step up here. We're going to be watching
Speaker 2: out for that a lot more, and you know, again
Speaker 2: using our complex resition be escalation skills to make sure
Speaker 2: those personal fights are not turning into gunfire. That's ultimately
Speaker 2: where we got it.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I mean, we can teach
Speaker 1: it in the schools and all that stuff, but I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a percentage of the population that are
Speaker 1: freaking animals. What we saw yes to what we we're
Speaker 1: talking about. He is animalistic, predatory, sociopathic behavior. There's people
Speaker 1: out there that are worth saving, but there's some that aren't,
Speaker 1: and we've got to come to terms of that and
Speaker 1: segregate them for society because all this, we've got to
Speaker 1: change them and thick that might happen in another generation
Speaker 1: or two maybe, but probably not. But we've got to
Speaker 1: addressed to here and now. The people that are shooting
Speaker 1: on Fountain Square. I'man a guest that the guy who
Speaker 1: fired the shots at City Bird probably shouldn't had that
Speaker 1: gun in the first place, and I would I question
Speaker 1: the need for more laws if we don't take those
Speaker 1: people off the streets the minute they use a gun
Speaker 1: and commission of a crime.
Speaker 2: You and I have no disagreement on people who shouldn't
Speaker 2: have guns. It should and shouldn't have guns, right If
Speaker 2: someone's going to be using a firearm that lately for
Speaker 2: criminal activity, should not have a gun. And that's again
Speaker 2: why I go back to it would be really great
Speaker 2: if we actually had background check on every single gun
Speaker 2: sale beyond just the certified sellers, but you know Facebook,
Speaker 2: gun sales, things out of people's trunks all that, so
Speaker 2: we could actually be able to have, you know, a
Speaker 2: way to enforce, hey, you are a bad guy. You
Speaker 2: should not have a gun. Right And then in terms
Speaker 2: of they hear now, that is why we are pulling
Speaker 2: out all the stops, in terms of our local CPD
Speaker 2: working on patrol, bringing reinforcements from Ohio State Patrol right
Speaker 2: to really be out there in the community, watching out
Speaker 2: for these instances and hopefully intervening before they accalate.
Speaker 1: Let me and I've got just a second here, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Back on that in the Highway patrol,
Speaker 1: that's a really good point is from what we heard
Speaker 1: is is you know, the governor reached out some time
Speaker 1: ago and we're still waiting for Okay, I guess the
Speaker 1: Highway Patrol is going to come in and now we
Speaker 1: have all right, we had another shooting and so now
Speaker 1: we have SWAT officers. It looks like parts of Gaza
Speaker 1: now on Fountain Square and this. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: seems like, okay, now we're doing that and the optics
Speaker 1: that are tough, But why why don't we if we
Speaker 1: just brought troopers into enforced the highways, we could have
Speaker 1: regular cops, more of them on the street. Why are
Speaker 1: we fighting against the set? Why are we leaning into
Speaker 1: the state and having more officers more troopers come in
Speaker 1: so we.
Speaker 2: Do have the troopers coming in helping. I'm going to
Speaker 2: go back to the crime done.
Speaker 1: There's like two days a month or something stupid like that.
Speaker 1: That's what's that going to do?
Speaker 2: Helps of our capacity right when we have big busts.
Speaker 2: I don't know a better technical term than that of
Speaker 2: you know, these big investigations to take a lot of
Speaker 2: man so having support, but that does free up our
Speaker 2: CPD local officers to be out patrolling our neighborhoods. And frankly,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest when it comes to kind of
Speaker 2: patrolling in our neighborhoods, I still stand by. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes Believe has amazing training when it comes to collaborative agreement,
Speaker 2: comes to the escalation. They have relationships with our residence too,
Speaker 2: and that is very very important because having that quest
Speaker 2: of law enforcement makes a difference when you're interacting in
Speaker 2: the neighborhoods. So I stand by all of that, But
Speaker 2: when it comes to these bigger operations, yeah, let's bring in,
Speaker 2: bring in support and having you know, swat out take
Speaker 2: control supporting that these like hot spots right now.
Speaker 1: Sure, but again it took too long. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was something was offered a couple of months ago after
Speaker 1: you know, after the brawl and went July, and here
Speaker 1: it is, we're almost in the November at this point,
Speaker 1: and now we're like, okay, now they're fre We're gonna
Speaker 1: get them a couple days. It just it just seems
Speaker 1: like we're I don't know, fighting against law enforcement. Then
Speaker 1: we just turn around, puts a lot of on the street.
Speaker 1: How any different is that than having National Guardsmen out there?
Speaker 1: They look the same.
Speaker 2: Well, National guardsmen are not trained in our collaborative agreement.
Speaker 2: They're not they don't know our people. And frankly, that
Speaker 2: the scenes I've seen coming out of Chicago with Ice.
Speaker 1: So I'm not I'm not saying I have the National
Speaker 1: Guarden saying it. That's what it looks like. It's the same.
Speaker 1: What's the difference between local squat offers and that as
Speaker 1: far in the court of public opinion. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: get the training element, but I think people see that
Speaker 1: you see paramilitary troopers that are either squat or now
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You've got guys in tactical gears standing
Speaker 1: on that Fountain Square to intimidate the bad guys. It's
Speaker 1: the same look.
Speaker 2: I you know, for me, I will say, I don't
Speaker 2: think living in a police state and this is why
Speaker 2: I think I'm hearing from me, living in a police
Speaker 2: state is in our perfect version of safety. And I agree, right,
Speaker 2: but to your point, like there's a crisis right now
Speaker 2: and we're doing everything we can, and if you know,
Speaker 2: four cops standing on Fountain Square wasn't enough, and you
Speaker 2: know what's the next step. So it's really a balance here, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I don't think having a police
Speaker 2: date is is where we want to be. But if
Speaker 2: we are, you know, have so many guns in the street,
Speaker 2: and we got to bring in help to de escalate
Speaker 2: and keep those guns, you know, out of the wrong hands.
Speaker 2: We're going to do it right now because again, like
Speaker 2: we're digging this all very seriously, and I want to
Speaker 2: follow up, go back to where you started the conversation
Speaker 2: in terms of what we heard from public facety public
Speaker 2: commenters yesterday, following up immediately, in fact, I'd already been
Speaker 2: my opposite, had already been in contact with one of
Speaker 2: the gentlemen and got you know, an email after immediately,
Speaker 2: and we're working quickly here, and I go back to
Speaker 2: problem solving and how do we address these issues at
Speaker 2: the spot right.
Speaker 1: We heard some fo we needed to and I had
Speaker 1: to touch off, but I got to get going way
Speaker 1: or away over like she's conc member and I'll be
Speaker 1: law in public safety. I know we just addressed a
Speaker 1: lot there, but I appreciate your thoughtful consideration and conversation
Speaker 1: and the back and forth. It was really good. Hopefully
Speaker 1: people listen to this and and and the right people
Speaker 1: listen to this so we get some answered soon because
Speaker 1: this date, I agree with the mayor. It's intolerable for sure. Hey,
Speaker 1: all the best. Good luck on the campaign. I know
Speaker 1: you're doing that as well, seeking re election and council Anna,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 2: Be well, good luck, appreciate it. Thanks tak care, take care.
Speaker 1: We got to get the news run the lake. We'll
Speaker 1: get your reaction to this, so more gun laws will
Speaker 1: solve this. Well, then let's talk about that. Coming up
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