WEBVTT - Full Jeff Daniels Interview 

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<v Speaker 1>So this is it. This is JD's?

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<v Speaker 2>This is JD's. What's JD's after? Well, we had to

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<v Speaker 2>put my name on it somehow. And I didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>the full name. And everyone agreed that, you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>the initials. I actually had a guy when I used

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<v Speaker 2>to work at my dad's lumber company way back in

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<v Speaker 2>high school in the 70s would refer to me as JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, okay, that works.

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<v Speaker 3>Do friends call you JD or just?

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<v Speaker 2>They do now. They do now. No, not really. But, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>after the opening of this place, yeah, I'm hearing more

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't be offended when I say this to you, but

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<v Speaker 4>when I first got a chance to know you and

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<v Speaker 4>Purple Rose and everything, I always thought, why is Jeff Daniels,

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<v Speaker 4>why isn't that called Jeff Daniels?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you are, when I think of Chelsea, Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 4>don't be offended if you're from Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 1>And I say this, but I think of you, I

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<v Speaker 1>really do.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I certainly, you know, we call it the stench

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<v Speaker 2>of celebrity that attracts people and things and, you know, attention. But,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like Jiffy Mix has been here for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>International company.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just down the road. Really? Yeah, the corn muffin mix.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that. Oh, they're down. They've got

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<v Speaker 2>the elevators right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they would take issue with perhaps they were

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<v Speaker 2>here first.

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<v Speaker 1>Jiffy Mix, JM with JD.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah. No, it's a great company. Look, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little town that really is like so many other little

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<v Speaker 2>towns with two stoplights and that's it. And Jiffy Mix

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<v Speaker 2>has been here, like I said. But then when we

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<v Speaker 2>opened the Purple Rose Theater Company in 1991 on just

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<v Speaker 2>a wing and a prayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Six months later, Craig Common moved in and said, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to open a restaurant to kind of complement the theater.

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<v Speaker 2>And between the two of us, the Common Grill and

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<v Speaker 2>Purple Rose Theater Company, we made Chelsea a destination. If

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<v Speaker 2>there were 20 businesses in town when we opened the theater,

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<v Speaker 2>10 of them were closed. Wow. And when we opened

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<v Speaker 2>the theater, it took a while. And then Craig came in.

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<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden... There's somebody in every storefront.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>And then here come the hotels out by the highway.

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<v Speaker 2>Here come the bed and breakfast. Here come the coffee shop,

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<v Speaker 2>the art gallery. The other restaurants started popping up because

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<v Speaker 2>the Purple Rose sells 40,000 tickets a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would say well into the high 90 percentile

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<v Speaker 2>are people coming from outside of Chelsea.

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<v Speaker 3>And we were talking earlier and you said that pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much every, if not every show is sold out.

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<v Speaker 2>At the Purple Rose, yeah. I mean, we write about

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<v Speaker 2>this corner of the country, and I have writers with

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of humor, and it's working. And we use

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<v Speaker 2>Michigan actors, and they're professional actors. We have a resident

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<v Speaker 2>company of people we go to time and time again.

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<v Speaker 2>We bring in new people. But generally speaking, they're from

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<v Speaker 2>a 90-mile radius. So JD's is an extension of what

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<v Speaker 2>the arts can do for a local economy. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what's happening here with this place. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a 125-seat listening room. It's intimate. We spent a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money on the sound and the lights and the

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<v Speaker 2>four streaming cameras.

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<v Speaker 4>That is such a big deal to an artist. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>they want to be able to be streamed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, most of them do. But the listening experience,

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<v Speaker 2>not only for the audience but for the artists, is

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<v Speaker 2>just amazing. Top of the line, we had a company,

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<v Speaker 2>Sweetwater Integrated, put in the sound. National company. I've used

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<v Speaker 2>them for years. We have a recording studio at home

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. Used them for years.

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<v Speaker 1>We buy stuff from Sweetwater. I was going to say that, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sweetwater Integrated was the division of that. Where they

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<v Speaker 2>come in, they help you select which speakers you want

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<v Speaker 2>the highest end, you want clarity. They not only come in,

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<v Speaker 2>they install it. So it's not me and my son, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>who runs the soundtrack. just going, where does this go? No,

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<v Speaker 2>they come in and do it all. And then they

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<v Speaker 2>train Ben up, who runs the sound, and they laugh saying, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>we do this kind of thing all over the country,

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<v Speaker 2>all size venues, and there's no venue this size that

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<v Speaker 2>has a sound system this good. And we're actually going

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<v Speaker 2>to do a write-up for their company. They're going to

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<v Speaker 2>sit down with me and Ben. But that's what we

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<v Speaker 2>felt we had to do And as somebody who, when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not acting, I've been gigging for 20, 25 years

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<v Speaker 2>just because I love it. One man show, acoustic guitar,

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<v Speaker 2>story song, story song, that guy. John Prine, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. Steve Goodman. I've always, just let's

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<v Speaker 2>make the sound best we can possibly make it. And

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<v Speaker 2>the artists that we've had so far all rave about

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<v Speaker 2>it and so does the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not know that about you, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe I should.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did not know that you played... that you

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<v Speaker 3>got up and, you know, can play the guitar.

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>No, feel the tips of the fingers.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, my God. Let's hold hands. Look at it. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much.

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<v Speaker 3>You are so talented in all areas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say it again.

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<v Speaker 2>No, feel the tips of the fingers. Those are acoustic guitar, Cal.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel weird feeling up your fingers.

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<v Speaker 1>We're done.

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<v Speaker 2>We're done. We've got to call HR now. But, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought the career would end. Acting careers don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not a long shelf life on them. And I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, even.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You're pretty damn good.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was a period of about 10 years at

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<v Speaker 2>the turn of the century through about 2010 before newsroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it just slowed down. And I didn't see that coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Cause you didn't live in LA taking every script possible.

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<v Speaker 2>That didn't help, but I wasn't going to change that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I said, if I'm not going to move to

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<v Speaker 2>LA to kind of resurrect a career and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>be somebody's father on a sitcom where the 20-year-old doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know his lines and he's making five million an episode

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<v Speaker 2>and he's late. I don't want to be on that show.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I picked up a guitar, which I'd been

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<v Speaker 2>playing since the 70s, writing since the 70s, and really

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<v Speaker 2>did what people like Arlo Guthrie did, Stevie Goodman, John Prine,

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<v Speaker 2>Lyle Lovett, Christine Lavin, Cheryl Wheeler, Kev Moe. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I can go down the list. Got guitar lessons from Kev,

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<v Speaker 2>got a guitar lesson or two from Stefan Grossman.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul McCartney?

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't met him.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's like, okay, if you're going to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>take it seriously. And so I would just gig. And

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<v Speaker 2>I would play clubs this size. And yeah, Dumb and

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<v Speaker 2>Dumber sold tickets. But then after 10 minutes, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to play. You've got to be able to hold 90 minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it as much, if

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<v Speaker 2>not more, than sitting on a set shooting something. Which

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<v Speaker 2>I still enjoy, but there's a point. I'm reaching the

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<v Speaker 2>point where I've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can't give up acting because you're too damn good.

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<v Speaker 4>Kevin, by the way, from our show is so bummed

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<v Speaker 4>he's not here right now because he was obsessed with Newsroom.

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<v Speaker 1>That was such a good show. I'm going to sound.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm a star effer here, but we golfed together,

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<v Speaker 4>which I never get to say I golfed with a

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<v Speaker 4>big-time actor. I wasn't really golfing.

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<v Speaker 1>He was calling.

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<v Speaker 2>Not really.

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<v Speaker 4>Not really. We both were struggling, but we had fun.

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<v Speaker 4>But he leans over to me in the golf cart

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<v Speaker 4>to tell me about this place. And he said, and

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<v Speaker 4>by the way, the funniest is Jeff, when he, when

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<v Speaker 4>he'll text, we'll text me, Hey Tommy. And he calls

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<v Speaker 4>me by my, my birth name, which my sisters think

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<v Speaker 4>is really cute because they call me Tommy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you lean over to me and you say, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Got this place that's opening up in Chelsea, and I

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<v Speaker 4>really want you to come see it when it opens up.

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<v Speaker 4>And you were like a kid telling me about your

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<v Speaker 4>toy that you got at home that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't wait to go home and play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're excited about it. I have three partners with me,

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<v Speaker 2>Roy and Aaron and Nat. They came to me and said,

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<v Speaker 2>would you be at all interested in a celebrity restaurant?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, no. But if you find a way

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<v Speaker 2>that we can incorporate live music into that idea, I'm interested.

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<v Speaker 2>And we sat down and kicked it around and Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>was the architect on it, main architect, and we designed it.

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<v Speaker 2>And we really think it's like a one of a kind.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, a listening room but with food and drinks

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<v Speaker 2>served and the bistro kind of operates on its own

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<v Speaker 2>thing if there's no show and And then we've got

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<v Speaker 2>a downstairs that we have a private event area that

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<v Speaker 2>companies are already calling us about when to reserve that.

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<v Speaker 4>University of Michigan Health just said something to me in

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<v Speaker 4>a meeting the other day, and they go, hey, what

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<v Speaker 4>do you think about a party?

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, oh, that is great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and dressing rooms for the artists and all this.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to do it right, and by doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>we then kind of help make this town come alive again.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember in the 90s when Craig Common opened the

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<v Speaker 2>Common Grill. After about a year between the theater and

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<v Speaker 2>the Common Grill, this place was humming. It was jammed.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a nightlife until 11 o'clock. That was the 90s.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's different now after COVID and all of that

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody. It's our attempt to try to get people

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<v Speaker 2>to come here. Not just spend money here at JD's

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<v Speaker 2>or the theater, but there are lots of other businesses

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<v Speaker 2>that will I can already tell you stories about the

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<v Speaker 2>jewelry shop. next door where the people came to see

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<v Speaker 2>a show and they went in and bought a ring.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it works. When Rocco Lansman was the chairman

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<v Speaker 2>of the National Endowment for the Arts, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say 2012, he came out. here he did 12 site

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<v Speaker 2>visits around the country and we were one of them

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<v Speaker 2>and he came out here and he saw what the

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<v Speaker 2>theater was doing and the common grill and the restaurants

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<v Speaker 2>and the art galleries and all those business all the

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<v Speaker 2>supplemental the businesses that also you know were the recipient

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<v Speaker 2>of this theater that happened he goes the theater is

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<v Speaker 2>a poster child for what the arts can do for

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<v Speaker 2>a local economy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what JD's is built around, too. It will

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<v Speaker 2>help businesses around here. It will help us. People will

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<v Speaker 2>move here because the sidewalks won't roll up at 9

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock at night, that there's something to do, that there's

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere to go. It's exciting. We're excited. We're young. We're

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks old, but we're out of the gate pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you grow up in Chelsea?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you did.

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<v Speaker 2>Kathleen, my wife's from here. I'm from here.

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<v Speaker 3>So your love for this town runs real deep.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just home. It's always been home. When I moved

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<v Speaker 2>back after 10 years in New York, Kathleen, we were

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<v Speaker 2>married five years. But 10 years in New York, two-year-old boy,

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<v Speaker 2>we just moved back here in 86 because it was home.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to live in Hollywood. And so I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I got away with it. It wasn't easy, but I

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<v Speaker 2>got away with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you ever wonder what you would be doing if

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<v Speaker 4>you didn't have the big breakout movies like Terms of Endearment,

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<v Speaker 4>Dumb and Dumber, whatever? Do you think that this would

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<v Speaker 4>be your home and you'd be doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have the ability to get the attention of

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<v Speaker 2>an audience that celebrity can give you. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the stench of celebrity... gets people curious about what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>doing and maybe I'm here. I mean, it's like Springsteen

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<v Speaker 2>at the stone pony. If I show up, Oh my God,

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<v Speaker 2>he's here. You know, same thing as a theater. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>so we, we use that.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you here a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I play gigs here. I, I have the

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<v Speaker 2>whole 90 minute show. I do. I play with my

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<v Speaker 2>son's band, Ben Daniels band. I play with a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of mine, Brad Phillips, who, I found he's a Michigan fiddler.

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<v Speaker 2>Years ago, we'd tour, he'd gig with me, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>just great. And Patti LuPone saw him and put him

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<v Speaker 2>on her tour, and next thing you know, Brad's playing

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<v Speaker 2>Carnegie Hall.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>We had Brad here last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there are really talented people here locally

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<v Speaker 2>that if you feature them, if you give them a

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<v Speaker 2>great venue and a great environment, they can excel. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the same theory behind the Purple Rose. These are Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>actors who, you know, you asked, who didn't get the

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<v Speaker 2>breaks I did. Had I not gotten the breaks, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I would have started a theater company. I'd probably be

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<v Speaker 2>at my family's lumber company working behind the counter with

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<v Speaker 2>my brother who knows a hell of a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>about lumber than I do. That's probably where I would have,

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<v Speaker 2>and a guitar that I'd play on my porch.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm assuming he's probably a great businessman too, huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's better. He's better at that than I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the artist.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I am my mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Your music runs deep, but also you're the reason why

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<v Speaker 4>we actually can cheer on the Lions again too because

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<v Speaker 4>of what you did to end the curse.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you play that at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I actually had a couple gigs in Northport up

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<v Speaker 2>near Leland, Traverse City, and one of the guys said,

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<v Speaker 2>play Bobby Lane. So I said, okay, here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're actually, we have a screen here at JD's. You

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<v Speaker 2>drop the screen down, and you can put the Lions

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<v Speaker 2>game on. Oh, wow. So we're planning on September 17th.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lions game, we're going to have me play. It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll open for an hour and finish with The Curse

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<v Speaker 2>of Bobby Lane, and then we'll put the Lions game

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<v Speaker 2>on through this sound system.

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<v Speaker 1>Will you tell Shannon how Peyton Manning and all that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff came about?

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw your picture with Peyton.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Peyton had a show called Peyton's Places where he

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<v Speaker 2>would run around and interview celebrities about their favorite football teams.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of the idea. So the Lions were terrible. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Campbell had been hired. Sheila Hemp, Fort Hemp, was

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<v Speaker 2>the new owner. And their first season, they were 3-13-1.

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<v Speaker 2>We get a phone call. Peyton wants to do this

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<v Speaker 2>where he comes to Detroit, and we try to break

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<v Speaker 2>the curse of Bobby Lane. So it's a 30-minute comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, I'm in. He shows up. We drive

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<v Speaker 2>around in some 57-something cars. which is the last year

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<v Speaker 2>that the Lions won the championship. And the story goes

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<v Speaker 2>that right after that, the Lions were so sick of

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<v Speaker 2>Bobby Lane partying that they traded him to the Pittsburgh Steelers,

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<v Speaker 2>and on the way out the door, Bobby Lane turned

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<v Speaker 2>around and said, this franchise won't win again for 50 years.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the curse. Turns out Bobby underestimated the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of time it would take, which is well beyond 50 years. So...

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<v Speaker 2>So we sat in a bar in Detroit and just

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<v Speaker 2>talked about that. And then we went to Ford Field,

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<v Speaker 2>which they let us have it. It was empty. They

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<v Speaker 2>had a bathtub full of whiskey. We dipped a helmet

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<v Speaker 2>and then did this. I read this proclamation that they

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<v Speaker 2>had written, echoing, using what we call the Broadway voice,

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<v Speaker 2>echoing off Ford Field. And I hear bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, say, say, say,

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<v Speaker 2>say that forevermore.

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<v Speaker 1>More, more, more, more, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was it. We tried to break the curse.

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<v Speaker 2>But we shot it in June. So they just went 3-13-1.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot it in June. Done. It'll be on in the

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<v Speaker 2>fall sometime. Great. Nice to meet you, Peyton. See you later.

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<v Speaker 2>They start the next season 1 and 6. Sheila is

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<v Speaker 2>getting interviewed about are you going to fire Campbell or

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to fire Brad Holmes? I get a

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<v Speaker 2>call saying they're going to air the episode October 30th.

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<v Speaker 2>Lions are one in six. It comes on on a

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday night. The Lions win eight out of their next 10.

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<v Speaker 3>You are the hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Next year, they're in the playoffs. And now, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would go to Ford Field and people would scream at me.

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<v Speaker 2>You broke the curse, man.

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<v Speaker 1>You broke the curse.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't won the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>You broke it.

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<v Speaker 2>You broke it. Okay. I guess we broke it. So

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<v Speaker 2>it would be nice if they won the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 2>so we could officially sing. Oh, my God. Can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 2>So then I wrote the song just because I gigged.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a good story. And then I'll do the song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another thing you put in the set list.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the song.

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<v Speaker 2>So I emailed Peyton. I said, would you mind singing

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<v Speaker 2>or saying two of the lines on the song? And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, no. And so we got him to record

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<v Speaker 2>two of the lines. So that went into the song,

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<v Speaker 2>which is available everywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>I love, well, first off, I love how much you

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<v Speaker 4>love Detroit sports, but Michigan sports and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it's cool, the whole let's pull everything

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<v Speaker 4>together and.

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<v Speaker 2>Do this for the town.

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<v Speaker 4>This place, though, is going to do for a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of artists that don't have a place to go play.

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<v Speaker 4>I mentioned this to you before we even started recording.

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<v Speaker 4>The average price of a concert for artists that we

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<v Speaker 4>play It's probably about $.

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<v Speaker 1>300 to $ 500 for a ticket.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is too much.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not even including your parking or drinks. The

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<v Speaker 4>idea that somebody can come here and basically for under

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<v Speaker 4>$ 100 have the night of their life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, our tickets are going to be between $ 20, $ 25, $ 50.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not looking for the A-list guys. unless they want

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<v Speaker 2>to come in and play a, a listening venue with

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<v Speaker 2>a great sound system. And some of them will, I

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<v Speaker 2>have talked to a few people that, you know, down

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<v Speaker 2>the road when we're ready, it'd be interesting. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be interesting to see who we get because you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not, it's too much money. They got to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for all those Prevost buses and the tours and the

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<v Speaker 2>cruise and the thing and the rental of the, all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. It's a lot of money for them to

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<v Speaker 2>even break even each week. And, And then if people

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<v Speaker 2>just can't afford it because everything's more expensive right now,

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<v Speaker 2>then where do, where do artists go? And it's not the,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not, I mean, you know better than I do Mojo. They, the,

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<v Speaker 2>when Bruce and Sting and Elton were putting stuff on

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<v Speaker 2>the radio, they got checks. That's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>So where do artists make money? Merch and playing gigs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to play, you want to like leave

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<v Speaker 2>your amp at home? and see if your songs hold

0:19:27.170 --> 0:19:29.570
<v Speaker 2>up on an acoustic guitar for 90 minutes because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the two test any guitar player or songwriter will tell

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<v Speaker 2>you if you can play your stuff on an acoustic

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.300
<v Speaker 2>guitar ed sharon would be a perfect example of somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who can do that and you now you're playing in

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<v Speaker 2>a smaller room with a rapt audience which is what

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<v Speaker 2>i'm used to from theater I did To Kill a

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<v Speaker 2>Mockingbird on Broadway, and I would stand on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of that stage eight shows a week for a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Every night they didn't move. Didn't move. You could hear

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<v Speaker 2>a pin drop when Atticus Finch got into that closing

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<v Speaker 2>argument and turned to the audience. and made them the

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<v Speaker 2>white jurors and shamed them into what was happening to

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<v Speaker 2>his client, Tom Robinson. They didn't move. And you can

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<v Speaker 2>have that same experience in a place like that. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you have that in the big arenas?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've played PAX. I've played performing arts centers.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to do it again. And it's 1,000 seats,

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<v Speaker 2>1,500 seats. That's one big, huge audience. But you play

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<v Speaker 2>a smaller room, and it's 125 people staring at you

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<v Speaker 2>right here. You've got to hold them, and that's hard. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And artists know that. And it's a wonderful challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>And for music fans. Like, this is the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>venue that I want to see a band. And like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, you have a rule, no cover bands.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you tell me that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, we'll do cover. We'll do tribute bands.

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<v Speaker 1>No tribute bands.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you're going to do a Tonight of

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<v Speaker 2>the Eagles, well, then there are plenty of places that

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<v Speaker 2>will do that. And those guys are really good. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like seeing the Eagles. You want to do

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<v Speaker 2>a cover of Desperado, go after it, but do your

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<v Speaker 2>version of it. That's what I do. I tell the

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<v Speaker 2>story about, and I wonder, it's common. Where were you

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<v Speaker 2>the first time you heard a particular song? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>a song that you remember where you were the first

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<v Speaker 2>time you heard it? And I thought it was just me.

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<v Speaker 2>And people go, oh, no, Stairway to Heaven. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston in a public park, and somebody had a boombox,

0:21:37.340 --> 0:21:39.460
<v Speaker 2>and I heard it or something. I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>Dairy Queen in Chelsea, and I got into my dad's

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<v Speaker 2>Ford Pinto, which had AM-FM radio in 1971. And I

0:21:50.609 --> 0:21:55.020
<v Speaker 2>turned on the radio, and it was WRF, Arthur Penhollow.

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<v Speaker 2>And here was a new song called Liban by Elton John.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just listened to the whole thing. I play that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell that story.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'll put that on the guitar. So those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of covers are fine. But the tribute bands, though,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got plenty of places that we play.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm smelling the new wood. The pizza.

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<v Speaker 2>The pizza.

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<v Speaker 1>No. The next door.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I got the pizza. But I'm thinking, this is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be such a busy place. It's going to

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.600
<v Speaker 4>start smelling like beer and all that. It's going to

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<v Speaker 4>smell like the bar.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so cool. This is like new car smell.

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<v Speaker 2>We got some fun drinks. They were going, what can

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<v Speaker 2>we do to have fun with the menu? And we

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<v Speaker 2>named a couple of the pastas after characters from the

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<v Speaker 2>movie I did, Escanaba and the Moonlight. But we also

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<v Speaker 2>have drinks. There was a line in Escanaba and the

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<v Speaker 2>Moonlight where The father was lamenting the passing of his

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<v Speaker 2>late wife, and with a very serious tone, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>your mother had the tongue of a trout. Complimenting. Tongue

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<v Speaker 2>of the trout. Mother had the tongue of a trout.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Big Gulp from Dumb and Dumber.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's fun. We've had fun with the drinks and

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<v Speaker 2>the menu.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for sharing with us. This is like being

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<v Speaker 1>invited into someone's home.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we get a tour, right?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually, I asked Shannon, I said, have you ever, because,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you sometimes go to events and we would

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes see, you know, different people at different events. I go,

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<v Speaker 4>have you ever met Jeff Daniels before? And you never

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<v Speaker 4>had the opportunity. But you are literally, like, you're fun

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<v Speaker 4>to meet because you actually make fun of almost the

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<v Speaker 4>celebrity of things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>You should hear me go off on the red carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can't stand it. I cannot stand it. I

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<v Speaker 2>cannot stand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do celebrities take offense to that at all, like any

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<v Speaker 1>other celebrities?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I don't care. You can get run

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<v Speaker 2>over by the ambition on the red carpet. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>stench of ambition as well. I actually tell the story

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<v Speaker 2>about getting bumped off the line. You stand in line

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to talk to Entertainment Tonight. Let me repeat that.

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<v Speaker 2>You stand in line waiting to talk to Entertainment Tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And some TV star with an entourage goes, cut in line,

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<v Speaker 2>bumped me right out of the way. My agent grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>me by the arm, spun me around, and said, don't

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<v Speaker 2>take it personally. Don't take it personally. Let's walk. We're walking.

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<v Speaker 2>We're walking. We're walking. Because I was going to. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I wrote a song called, Are You As Excited

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<v Speaker 2>About Me As I Am? And it's just a lambasting

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<v Speaker 2>of that whole red cut. Now, I learned what Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholson does. He'll go to the Oscars. He'll go the

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<v Speaker 2>day before and go, where's the back entrance? Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's how you do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You skip the whole thing, goes right to the back entrance,

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<v Speaker 2>goes to a seat.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you allowed to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>If you're Jack, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can do that. I've got publicists going, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>walk the red carpet so you can let America know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's marketing. You just let you know, I'm here and yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing Carhartt. That's what I always... Who are you wearing?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say Carhartt. But it's... You're marketing yourself

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<v Speaker 2>when you're walking around and you know, doing all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I get, I understand, but you get to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain age and you just go, you don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>do that anymore. You want me, call me.

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<v Speaker 4>If I, I always like to look at the past.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the past too much. Like, if I

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<v Speaker 1>could go back, I'd go back to eighth grade. For

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, it was the greatest year of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because he just found out that the girl he

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<v Speaker 3>had a crush on actually liked him back.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of, yeah. But also, there's a deeper meaning to

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<v Speaker 4>it too. But, That was pretty deep, but okay. Would

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<v Speaker 4>you go back to a time when a movie or

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<v Speaker 4>something was big, or would you go back to that

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<v Speaker 4>Dairy Queen and have that moment again? Do you ever

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<v Speaker 4>think about how innocent your life was at that time?

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned to live with the lack of anonymity. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and I'm very appreciative of how hard I've

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<v Speaker 2>had to work to get to where I am so

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<v Speaker 2>that when I am in a place now, and I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it on several movie sets, where I'm the De Niro,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the Pacino, I'm the Redford, I'm the Hoffman. Those

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<v Speaker 2>were my guys. And now I'm treated like that. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's because of this 50 years of, staying at it

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<v Speaker 2>and getting better and better and better and better. It is,

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<v Speaker 2>you get better as an actor, the longer you go.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wouldn't go back to high school and not

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<v Speaker 2>have this ride I've been on. So, you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>annoying as a red carpet can be, um, and the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of selling yourself can be, uh, I've had way

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<v Speaker 2>too much good or great things happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That, No, it was worth it. It was worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>It still is. You learn to live with the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it pretty cool seeing your kids doing what they're

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<v Speaker 4>doing and helping along with the family business?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my son Ben runs the sound and he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a band and his wife Amanda, daughter-in-law, she's the booking agent.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they are taking complete ownership of this live

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<v Speaker 2>music venue side of things, which was the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, guys, I'm not going to do this If

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to do it. I don't need this.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you want to do it, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be yours. You're going to run it. And I'll help

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<v Speaker 2>and come in and play. And they're just....

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It means a lot. They have a great purpose and

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<v Speaker 2>they're taking it. They're grabbing it with everything they've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting with two theater geeks right now. We could

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<v Speaker 4>nerd out.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, we were looking at this amazing mural he has,

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<v Speaker 3>this photo of when he was at the Shubert Theater

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<v Speaker 3>doing To Kill a Mockingbird, and I said, I almost

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<v Speaker 3>named Lucy Scout from that show. I'm real nerdy.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Theater kids are theater kids.

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<v Speaker 3>We're special.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing Hello, Dolly! this summer.

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<v Speaker 4>Yay!

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<v Speaker 1>It's that. I was that.