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Speaker 1: Come in Sunday afternoon Sports Talk seven hundred wl W.

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Speaker 1: My name is Austin Elmore. Happy to be with you

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Speaker 1: from now until six o'clock this evening. I thought this

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Speaker 1: was going to be kind of a sleepy Sunday, you know,

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Speaker 1: radio and talk about all sorts of different things. But

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Speaker 1: there's actually a lot going on right now in the

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Speaker 1: world of sports. First and foremost, let's start with what

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Speaker 1: just happened at Fifth Third Arena. The Cincinnati Bearcats felt

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Speaker 1: like they were about to get eliminated in more ways

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Speaker 1: than one by the Utah Utes, but the Bearcats erased

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Speaker 1: a five point deficit in the final ninety seconds to

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Speaker 1: win their third straight Big Twelve game. I think that's

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Speaker 1: only the second time or third time since they've joined

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve that they've had a winning streak of

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Speaker 1: three or more games in the conference. The Bearcats advanced

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Speaker 1: to four teen and twelve on the season, a much

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Speaker 1: needed win, and it would have been you know, I

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Speaker 1: was sitting here watching the game, thinking, Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have to come on here and have the West Miller

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Speaker 1: West Miller conversation after they lose. I do think it's

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Speaker 1: part of the conversation. It's part of what we've got

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Speaker 1: But they've won again. They deserve credit for that. And

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Speaker 1: if they are able to get hot at the right time,

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Speaker 1: who knows what can happen in the Big twelve tournament,

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Speaker 1: And maybe the Bearcats can find themselves on the bubble

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Speaker 1: and on the verge of an NCAA tournament birth for

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Speaker 1: the first time in a long time. That's a long shot,

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Speaker 1: we all know it, but who's to say it can't happen.

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Speaker 1: So not only do the Bearcats play and win today,

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Speaker 1: You've got the AT and T Pebble Beach Pro Am

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Speaker 1: happening right now at Pebble Beach. You've got the Great

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Speaker 1: American Race, the Daytona five hundred happening right now in Daytona, Florida.

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Speaker 1: You've got some more college basketball. You've got Olympic hockey

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Speaker 1: the United States in Germany getting set to square off

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Speaker 1: as we speak. So there's actually a lot going on

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Speaker 1: this afternoon. As for the show, well, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: two Joe's last time I was on a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, we had Paul Dayner Junior and Paul Fritchner. Well,

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Speaker 1: today we're gonna have Joe Goodberry and Joe Danoman. Joe

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Speaker 1: Danoman on the verge of heading out to Goodyear, Arizona

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Speaker 1: to cover the Reds in spring training. We'll talk Reds

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Speaker 1: with him, and we'll talk Bengals with Joe Goodberry, the

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Speaker 1: host of Bengals on the Brain on YouTube and a

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Speaker 1: long time analyst on social media as well. One of

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Speaker 1: my favorite people to talk to, one of the smartest

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Speaker 1: people that you will hear discuss the Bengals. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to him coming up at four thirty five. But we've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of Reds to get into. We've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of Bengals to get into as well, including

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about in just a little bit the

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Speaker 1: Phil Castellini news that came out earlier this week. I

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Speaker 1: Nick Castianos because that was a popular point of discussion

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Speaker 1: this week. But Nick Castianos, the former Cincinnati Red agreed

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Speaker 1: Castianos lands with San Diego after being cut loose by Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: The story coming out this week of how things had

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Speaker 1: The Philly first baseman said he thought Kyle Schwarber was

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Speaker 1: done deal. I'll explain my thoughts on that, including how

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Speaker 1: Joe Goodberry and specifically what the Bengals need to do

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the college basketball coming in. After

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Speaker 1: And Miami continues to win despite some injuries, despite the

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Speaker 1: At thirteen and twelve now on the season, Kentucky lost

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Speaker 1: My name's Austin Elmore. Little Sunday Afternoon Sports Talk for you.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the hour after the news here

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Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes, I want to get

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Speaker 1: I was talking about Nick Castianos and how when he

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Speaker 1: why not Nick Castianos, And he didn't have a very

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Speaker 1: the current lineup is constructed, but there was space for

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Speaker 1: another potential infielder, and the Reds went out and signed

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Speaker 1: another infielder. They deserved credit for this move in case

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Speaker 1: you missed it. Over the weekend, the Reds signed veteran

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Speaker 1: first baseman Nathaniel Lowe to a minor league contract with

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Speaker 1: an invite to spring training. According to MLB dot Com,

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Speaker 1: if Nathaniel Lowe makes the club out of spring training,

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Speaker 1: he will earn a one point seven to five million

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Speaker 1: million in performance bonuses. So not only have the Reds

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Speaker 1: Uhaneio Suarez, they've now albeit a small minor league deal,

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Speaker 1: low risk, high reward. They've now went and got another

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind?

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Speaker 1: I think I think Phil's got great style. You don't

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Speaker 6: wears a baseball cap once, just like you own a

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Speaker 6: baseball team, wear a baseball cap.

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Speaker 1: Okay, JT. Let me ask you this, how do any

434
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Speaker 1: of these things translate to winning more baseball games?

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Speaker 4: They do not translate at all. But if you're on

436
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Speaker 4: his life.

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Speaker 6: Because I'm sure he wants to be liked, I'm sure

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Speaker 6: he wants to be appreciated. I'm sure he doesn't want

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Speaker 6: to be due at uh you know, public events when

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Speaker 6: he speaks. Sure, so I'm looking after Phil. It's not

441
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Speaker 6: a matter wins or losses. But you kind of want

442
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Speaker 6: to like your owner of your team.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I I do. I want to win more

444
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Speaker 1: than I want to like that person. But yes, I

445
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Speaker 1: get where you're coming from. You're you're you're trying to rehab.

446
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Speaker 1: The image you're doing the pr for Phil is what

447
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Speaker 1: you're saying.

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Speaker 6: Exactly. That's my job, that's my wish. I think I

449
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Speaker 6: could provide amazing results.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I appreciate it. JT, thank you. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: baseball cap, cheez coney, Okay whatever.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 1: Phil looks great. I haven't really thought much about how

454
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Speaker 1: his appearance affects the way people think about him, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it probably does that though. To me, he's

456
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Speaker 1: secondary to actually winning the baseball games. I would like

457
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Speaker 1: to win more baseball games, and hopefully that happens a

458
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Speaker 1: lot more in the Phil era than it has to

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Speaker 1: this point in the Bob era. And again, the Bob

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Speaker 1: era is not over. Bob is still around, Bob's still

461
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Speaker 1: calling shots, and Bob has done a good job I

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Speaker 1: think building towards this twenty twenty six team as well.

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Speaker 1: We'll take a break, We'll come back more phone calls.

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Speaker 1: This is Sunday afternoon, sports Talk Com, the home of

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Speaker 1: the Reds seven hundred WLW Sports Talk seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: update from Goodyear Charlie Goldsmith reporting that Terry Francona said

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Speaker 1: today South Stewart is mostly going to play first and

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Speaker 1: second during the spring less third base. He's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the guy more than likely to bump over to second

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Speaker 1: base when Matt McClain is playing shortstop on the days

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Speaker 1: where Ellie is not playing the field, that obviously could

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Speaker 1: meet Spencer Steer at first base, potentially Nathaniel Lowe at

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Speaker 1: first base. It was interesting. Terry Francona said that Triple

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Speaker 1: A manager Pat Kelly told him that second base might

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Speaker 1: be South Stewart's best position, so gonna be working there,

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Speaker 1: but it's Matt McClain's job. It's always going to be

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Speaker 1: Matt McLain's job unless he's atrociously bad offensively once again

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Speaker 1: like he was last year. But it's going to be

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Speaker 1: mostly first base and second base for South Stuart. According

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Speaker 1: to Terry Francona's go back to the phones, five nine

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Speaker 1: seven thousand is the phone number. Let's go to Middletown

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Speaker 1: and talk to John.

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Speaker 3: What's up, John, How you doing, Austin?

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Speaker 1: You're good, I'm good man. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 8: Man?

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Speaker 3: You know, just to quick hitter on the cast lane.

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Speaker 2: I think he reminds me of the mayor of Amity

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Speaker 2: there on jawls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, the water is safe,

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Speaker 3: go to the game.

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Speaker 2: It's you know what I mean.

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Speaker 9: He's just kind of with his outfit, you know what

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Speaker 9: I mean, kind of like herbs outfit on Karp you know, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 9: but you know, I don't know on the red on second,

502
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 9: you know, playing second base when when mccaine's resting or

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Speaker 9: not hitting.

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Speaker 3: You know, what's what?

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Novelli can't play in Phil anymore? I mean, was he

507
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Speaker 3: that bad?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't recall him being that bad that

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Speaker 2: they won't even consider him, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I mean I guess it's probably not out

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Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility. I don't remember how much

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Speaker 1: second base he's played, if he's played any second base

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Speaker 1: in the big League, But they're they're trying to make

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Speaker 1: him a full fledged stick him in right field and

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00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: he'll be there for one hundred and sixty games. So

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Speaker 1: I think they've they've put all their chips into him

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Speaker 1: being an outfielder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have.

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Speaker 2: He just reminds me of Second Basement though, you know,

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Speaker 2: for some reason that's just you know, his body type

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Speaker 2: when I look at him, like see's you know, second Basement. Okay,

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Speaker 2: lot's going to depend on JJ Bloede as well. You know,

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Speaker 2: can this guy did?

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Speaker 3: Uh? You know, his baseball card is not.

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Speaker 2: The greatest, but you know, I think the guy's got

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Speaker 2: some untapped potential here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago JJ Blede had a really

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Speaker 1: good season. And he's also a left handed bat, which

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Speaker 1: threats don't have many of. Can obviously play the outfield.

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Speaker 1: I think that battle with like him and Dane Myers

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Speaker 1: and Will Benson as like that final backup outfielder is

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Speaker 1: going to be fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, also like christ and Cornacion, I'd

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Speaker 2: love to see him if everybody a problem of all,

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Speaker 2: my god, this guy's hid.

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Speaker 4: And where we're gonna play when you like to see that?

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Speaker 3: This year, I mean, you know, he's a good kid.

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Speaker 3: I want to see something happening.

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Speaker 1: I agree, John, and thank you for the phone call.

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Speaker 1: I was talking about that this week. You know, Cees

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Speaker 1: is one of those guys where it's just felt like

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Speaker 1: something always happens, whether he'll get hurt or he gets

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Speaker 1: into a slump, or just something weird happens and he

545
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Speaker 1: just can't seem to overcome it. I read this week

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Speaker 1: that he's now wearing like goggles basically to help him

547
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Speaker 1: see a little bit better. He's fully healthy. Well, he

548
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: did have the hamstring tweak, but he's gonna be good

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Speaker 1: to go. Might miss a couple of games. They got

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Speaker 1: him on a running program, but that's a dude who

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Speaker 1: it felt like coming up. This guy's gonna hit for

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Speaker 1: thirty home runs and he could be the guy that

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Speaker 1: the Reds have been waiting for and it just hasn't

554
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Speaker 1: been able to push him and get him over the top.

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Speaker 1: And I would love for that to be the problem

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Speaker 1: that the Reds have this spring is that, oh crap,

557
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Speaker 1: here comes Cees. He's mashing the ball. Maybe he's gonna

558
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Speaker 1: be the guy who's the backup infielder to help this team.

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Speaker 1: I would love for that to all come down to

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Speaker 1: the final week to figure out, Okay, who's going to

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Speaker 1: be the guy? You know what I mean, Let's go

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Speaker 1: out to Liberty Township and talk to Debbie. What's up,

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Speaker 1: Debbie good afternoons.

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Speaker 10: I just wanted to put my little two cents in

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Speaker 10: on Phil Castellini. I actually worked at the Reds for

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Speaker 10: ten years in the food service, and I worked in

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Speaker 10: areas that I had lots of contact with him and

568
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Speaker 10: some events and be able to have discussions with him

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Speaker 10: and just note that Pel's heart and where he's at

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Speaker 10: in knowing that. So it was interesting. So everybody's talking

571
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Speaker 10: about the comments on the opening day upset everybody a

572
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 10: long time ago. So I was like, oh, sometimes still

573
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 10: doesn't have a filter and he doesn't feel like that

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Speaker 10: at all. However, I went to work an event. I

575
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Speaker 10: work in a couple of the different sporting events places,

576
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Speaker 10: and I went to work a volunteer event and I

577
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 10: worked with this guy who was telling me, he goes, yeah,

578
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Speaker 10: he goes, I had to do this thing for school today.

579
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Speaker 10: And we went as a group and got put with

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Speaker 10: different entrepreneurs in the city, and I ended up with

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Speaker 10: Hadziel Castellini and this is the day after or two

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Speaker 10: days after the whatever happened, and he said he was

583
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Speaker 10: so upset about that, and he felt so bad, and

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Speaker 10: he just said, I saw a man that was really,

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Speaker 10: really upset. And I thought, you know what, that's really

586
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Speaker 10: interesting because I'm hearing that right away from somebody who

587
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Speaker 10: I don't even know and who's in contact with Sure,

588
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 10: but I will tell you, and I also still have

589
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 10: I don't work the Reds anymore, but I have contact

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Speaker 10: with him in a different way. That man went well.

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Speaker 10: When I worked at the Reds, we were working an

592
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Speaker 10: event and he was sitting there with me, and I said, Okay,

593
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Speaker 10: explain to me the money situation and small market team,

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Speaker 10: big market team. It was very interesting to listen to

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Speaker 10: him and you know and saying, okay, so how do

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Speaker 10: how do you combat all that when you don't have

597
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 10: the money? Because you you do did good drafts. So

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Speaker 10: I have seen nothing. I've watched all the things that

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00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 10: he's done in the stadium. I've been in contact with

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Speaker 10: a lot of other people that are in you know,

601
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Speaker 10: like part of the whole Reds organization, and they care

602
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Speaker 10: nothing more than about the community and about putting a

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Speaker 10: team on the field, and I'll tell you, Phil has

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Speaker 10: got a big heart. He is a kind person, and

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Speaker 10: he cares about this community and he cares about getting

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Speaker 10: a team out there.

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Speaker 1: That's good perspective. We're almost out of time. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the phone call, thank you so much. That is Debbie

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Speaker 1: in Liberty Township. Yeah, I appreciate that perspective because we

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Speaker 1: don't hear that very often. And the guy gets drug

611
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: through MUDD a lot, and I'm not up here to

612
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Speaker 1: stand up and defend them and say that Phil's the

613
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Speaker 1: answer to all the problems. That's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: But I do think sometimes, as the last caller said,

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Speaker 1: nobody wants to be disliked. Nobody wants to be booed

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Speaker 1: at a Xavier basketball game mercilessly like Phil was. I

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00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: do think there is a desire to win. I've always

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Speaker 1: questioned the process more than the desire. But i feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm starting to see more of the things I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see, and I'm hopeful for that being a

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Speaker 1: sign of things to come in the future. With the

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Speaker 1: Reds phone lines remain open. Red's conversation continues next on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW, coming up at four o'clock. I have

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Speaker 1: a question. Are Cincinnati sports fans too negative or are

625
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: they just scarred? I'll explain that question at four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: But as I was thinking about it, it led me

627
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Speaker 1: to a question about the twenty twenty six Reds. Question simple,

628
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: why shouldn't we believe in them? Why shouldn't we They

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Speaker 1: have one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. Hunter

630
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: Green is fully healthy, Nicolodolo is fully healthy. Andrew Abbott,

631
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Speaker 1: coming off of an All Star appearance, is fully healthy.

632
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: Brady Singer was wonderful last year. You've got a really

633
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Speaker 1: interesting spring training battle for the number five starter between

634
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Speaker 1: Rhet Louder and Chase Burns. We'll talk about that in

635
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Speaker 1: just a moment. They are young players who, yes their

636
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: last season, played together for pretty much the entire season,

637
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Speaker 1: went through a tough, grinding schedule, and found a way

638
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: into the postseason. They have another year of experience under

639
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: their belt. They have no significant injuries as of now

640
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: going into the season. They've got a Hall of Fame manager.

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00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: They've added power to their lineup, They've added experience to

642
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: their lineup. They've gotten better in the middle of their bullpen,

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Speaker 1: They've brought back their high leverage pitchers from a year ago,

644
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Speaker 1: and they play in a division in which Saint Louis

645
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: isn't really trying. They have the best pitching staff in

646
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Speaker 1: the division, maybe besides Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has made some moves,

647
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: but nobody's taking them seriously as a legitimate National League

648
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Speaker 1: Central contender. The Chicago has spent a lot of money,

649
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: but it was mainly on one player, and Andrew Bregman

650
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: or Alex Bregman. They still have questions in their bullpen.

651
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: My question is why shouldn't we believe in this team?

652
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: And I'll be honest, I'm overwhelmingly negative and have been

653
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: because I have doubts about their offense. I have doubts

654
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: about their philosophy. I have doubts about their talent. And

655
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: the big one sixty two is it's a grind man.

656
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: It's not easy. That's been my mindset this entire time.

657
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: I think a couple of weeks ago, when I was

658
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: on the air here, I was talking about how I

659
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: was kind of dreading the season because I was so

660
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I didn't want to watch them scratching claw to get

661
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: one or two runs every single night and literally as

662
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I was on the air, they signed Auhanio Suarez and

663
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: that was the start of my about face on the Reds.

664
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: And is Suorez guaranteed to hit fifty homers this year?

665
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 3: No?

666
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: Is he guaranteed to hit forty. No, it's not easy

667
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: to hit home runs, but he hit a bunch of

668
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: them last year. He's hit a bunch of them in

669
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: his career. He will be good for that clubhouse, he

670
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: will be good for that lineup, He'll be good for

671
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: La de la Cruz. And more than anything, it is

672
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: at least a commitment by the organization that makes me

673
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: believe that they're trying to win and they are willing

674
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: to go above and beyond what they have done in

675
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: the past to try to win. So when I look

676
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: at that, and when I look at the rest of

677
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: the National League Central, my question is with a good

678
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: pitching staff, with a healthy pitching staff, with another year

679
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: of experience, with Matt Klayon not coming off of a

680
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: shoulder injury, with Noelvie Marte having a full offseason to

681
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: be the right fielder, with Elie de la Cruz being

682
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: fully healed up, with Salth Stewart making it to the

683
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: big leagues with Suarez coming back, Why shouldn't I believe

684
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: in this team?

685
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 3: Now?

686
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: You look at some of the projections by the various

687
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: outlets across Major League Baseball, they don't necessarily believe. Pekota

688
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: has the Reds finishing at seventy eight and eighty three.

689
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: That would be fourth place in the National League Central,

690
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: ahead of only Saint Louis, who they have at sixty

691
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: five wins. They have Pittsburgh narrowly edging out the Reds

692
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: with seventy nine wins. They have the Cubs at a

693
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: ninety win team, Milwaukee at eighty. I didn't even mention

694
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: Milwaukee a second ago. I think I just assumed that

695
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: they're going to find a way to win ninety games,

696
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who they have on their team. They co

697
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: a train away everybody. But I would still expect the

698
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Brewers to find out to win ninety games. But my

699
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: question is, why shouldn't I believe in them? You look

700
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: at the Fangrafts projections. The last ones were Peakcoda. They

701
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: had the Reds finishing fourth. Fangrafts has the Reds finishing

702
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: third at eighty two wins, which would be right about

703
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: what they were at a year ago. What's your projection,

704
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: what's your expectation for this team this season? They certainly

705
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: have some issues and offensively, I still need to see

706
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: it before I believe it, But on paper I'm starting

707
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: to believe it. And again, the games are not played

708
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: on paper. For what it's worth, Fangrafts has the Cubs

709
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: winning the division at eighty five games, the Brewers also

710
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: at eighty two, and the Reds at eighty two, So

711
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: the top three teams of the division separated by three games.

712
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like is a little bit more

713
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: likely all three of those teams, Chicago, Milwaukee and the

714
00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: Reds really really up against one another close towards the

715
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: end of the season. That's my guess as to what happens.

716
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: And in that situation, I'm gonna lean towards a team

717
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: that has the better pitching, and that's gonna be Cincinnati

718
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: at least as far as I'm concerned. I want to

719
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: know what you think. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

720
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: seven thousand, And speaking of pitching, one of the most

721
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: important parts of this team this year is that number

722
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: five starter. It's gonna come down to Ret Louder and

723
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: Chase Burns. Competing for that spot. Earlier this week on

724
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Sincy three to sixty, Charlie Goldsmith joined us. Here's what

725
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 1: he had to say about that battle between Louder and Burns.

726
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 5: I don't see one of these guys going to the bullpen.

727
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 5: Starting pitching depth is so valuable. I think the best

728
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 5: the Reds one through eight is as good as you

729
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 5: could hope for. I'm kind of concerned about nine, ten, eleven, twelve,

730
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 5: which you need some fifteen starters to get through a season.

731
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 5: So having that or organizational starting pitching depth is just

732
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,479
Speaker 5: too important to mess with these guys in any way.

733
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 5: I see nothing wrong with having start the year in

734
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 5: triple A, especially because they will be managing and innings

735
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: this year, and we see this around baseball. It'll be

736
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: relevant to the Reds this year for it doesn't want

737
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: the job, which he could, but you have him start

738
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 5: in triple A.

739
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 8: You have him do like three inning starts to manage

740
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 8: the innings, and then when you need him you get

741
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 8: You get the most you can't out of him in

742
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 8: the big leagues.

743
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: Charlie Goldsmith on Louder and Burns, and the question posed

744
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: to him is whoever loses out on the number five job.

745
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Do they go to the bullpen?

746
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 4: Now?

747
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: Charlie is giving the edge to Chase Burns, and I

748
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: feel like most people are giving the edge to Chase Burns,

749
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: and understandably so based off of the way that he

750
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: pitched last year. But I would say, have we forgotten

751
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: what rhtt Louder did when he was in the big

752
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: leagues in twenty twenty four. Now, it's a very small

753
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: sample size. He pitched in are started only six games,

754
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: but in those six games, he pitched thirty innings, struck

755
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: out twenty two batters, and had an ERA of one

756
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: point one seven. That's pretty damn good. I would take

757
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: that for Rhet Louder. And by the way, Louder is

758
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: fully healthy. Charlie mentions he's gonna be on an innings limit,

759
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: and that's fine. Anytime you're coming off of an arm

760
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: injury that it took half your season and oblique and

761
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff, you're gonna be careful with young pitchers.

762
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I understand it, But I don't know that it's so

763
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: cut and dry that Chase Burns is gonna be the

764
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: guy now. I think a lot of people feel good

765
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: about the future of Chase Burns, and I would be

766
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: open to Chase Burns coming out of the bullpen. I

767
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: don't know if the Reds would be open to that,

768
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: but I think that's gonna be one of the more

769
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: interesting parts of this team. And I think it's a

770
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: strength to have that sort of pitching at the end

771
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: of your rotation, especially if Lodolo in Green and Abbott

772
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Speaker 1: continue to do what we expect them to do. Let's

773
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Speaker 1: go to the phones. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

774
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: seven thousand. Let's go to Brandon in Indianapolis. What's up, Brandon?

775
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: Hey, Austin, how you doing.

776
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: I'm good man, what's on your mind?

777
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: Hey?

778
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 11: I just wanted to say, you know, I know we

779
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 11: shouldn't be talking about, uh, you know, next year, if

780
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 11: there's a season or not, but that is just my

781
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 11: I want to see us do something this year because

782
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 11: this really sounds like there's not going to be a

783
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 11: season next year. Maybe I'm beating the cart before the horse,

784
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 11: and maybe I shouldn't even bring that up, but I love.

785
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: The red I think a lot of people Brandon would

786
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't see it as any closer

787
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: than it was a couple of months ago. I think

788
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: Rob Manfred said the other day the Commissioner of Baseball

789
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: that they haven't even really started negotiating yet and they

790
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: won't do that until after opening day, which is kind

791
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: of crazy. So yeah, I think there's also a little

792
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: bit of that and the window of Elie de la

793
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: Cruz and Hunter Green and all these guys. You might

794
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: lose a year of it next year, and so there

795
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: should be a little bit of fire under the butt

796
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: of the Reds to try to make something happen.

797
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 4: Now.

798
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, and see Austin, you know as well as I do.

799
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 11: You know, you're you're your thirties, I think, aren't you

800
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 11: because I'm in my forties. And the reason I'm saying

801
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 11: that is because you know, now they've got the pitch clock,

802
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 11: and I think that's worked and different things to bring

803
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 11: people back.

804
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: And Austin, if this, if this locks.

805
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 11: Out, they're really really they're really stubbing their toes big time,

806
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 11: and it's it's just.

807
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: Gonna hurt the sport.

808
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm always a lot of respect for it,

809
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 11: but you know, I guess we got to enjoy this year.

810
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 11: But I just I keep I just keep thinking about that.

811
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 11: I just I can't help myself you know, because I

812
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 11: run from I'm a big NBA fan and stuff and

813
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 11: I miss football. Seed it's depressing no football today. But

814
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 11: you know, but I mean, I just, you know, I

815
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 11: just can't help myself but to think about that. Maybe

816
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 11: I'm putting the cart before the horse. But I just

817
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 11: I want the Reds to do well. But I'm also thinking, boy,

818
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 11: if you're going to do something, you might want to.

819
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 3: Do it this year.

820
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: You know, I think that has to play a role

821
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: in all the decision making. And Brandon, thank you for

822
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: the phone call. I appreciate it. I mean, it's it's yeah,

823
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: it has to you got to think about it. I

824
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: don't know that as a fan it does much to

825
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: think about it right now now. But maybe that's part

826
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: of the reason why Nathaniel Lowe is here. Maybe that's

827
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: part of the reason why the Reds went and got

828
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: au Haaneo Suarez. I don't know for sure, but you know,

829
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity right now in the window on

830
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Ellie and the rest of these guys. We're barreling towards

831
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: the end of it. We're on the second half of

832
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: the decade. Now, you only got till the end of

833
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: the decade to figure it out. So it should be

834
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: a part of the conversations you're having, at least, I think.

835
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: So let's go to Dayton and talk to Vince. What's up, Vince,

836
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: how you doing.

837
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 3: I'm good?

838
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: Day wins ninety one?

839
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: Okay?

840
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 7: Well, I think they're going to go on three ten

841
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 7: game win streets.

842
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, man, I think.

843
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 7: Uh Jerry Francona is going to a heck of a

844
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 7: job managing, and the new guys with their Euhaneo, Swarz's

845
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 7: Matt and I think it's just it's going to be

846
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 7: a real good season.

847
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: So the what gives you the most confidence in their

848
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: ability to win ninety one?

849
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 7: I think last year they were missing one or two

850
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 7: components and they still, you know, found a way. It's

851
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 7: a tough team, a scrappy team, and then you add

852
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 7: in some power hitting and the pitching and Terry Francona's management.

853
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 7: I think it's I think it's just gonna be a

854
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 7: good one. Ninety one. I will say ninety one wins.

855
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: All right, Vince, I'll mark you down for ninety one.

856
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: Thank you for the phone.

857
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 7: Call, all right, thank you?

858
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: All right? Ninety one I think would win the National

859
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: League Central ninety one I would be thrilled with and

860
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: uh yeah, sign me up for ninety one. I would

861
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: love that. I don't know if I'm fully there yet.

862
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: We see how they look out through spring training and

863
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: once we get to opening Day, but yeah, I mean,

864
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Speaker 1: the point I'm trying to make is here is that's

865
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: not off the table. It shouldn't be off the table,

866
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that it's not. And you know, if

867
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: they had not signed Suez and not signed So, we'd

868
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: be having this conversation right now saying, how are they

869
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: going to get back to the playoffs expecting to do

870
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: the same stuff that they did a year ago. It's

871
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: not feasible. They've went out and fixed some of those issues.

872
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: Now you're still putting a lot of faith in the

873
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: If you're still putting a lot of faith in the health,

874
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: you're putting a lot of faith in things that maybe

875
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: you can't quite see yet. And I understand that that's

876
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: part of it, but you do at least have legitimate

877
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 1: threats now in the middle of the lineup that when

878
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: you can't score a run and you are going up

879
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: against a tough pitcher and maybe you can't get that

880
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: two out hit that you've been relying on all year. Oh,

881
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: here's a guy who can blast one over the fence

882
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: and give you the lead. There's a spot for that

883
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball, especially in this lineup. Manny Machado

884
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: of the Padres said something interesting today that I'm curious

885
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: how that's going to be taken across Major League Baseball.

886
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what it is next on seven hundred WLW.

887
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: Seven hundred WLW, My name is All and more. Quick

888
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: update what's going on in the world of sports today.

889
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: The Pebble Beach Pro Am out in Pebble Beach, California

890
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: right now, Colin Morikawa and Sam Burns tied for the

891
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: lead at twenty under par Burns through thirteen, Morikawa through eleven. Meanwhile,

892
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: the Daytona five hundred at the epicenter of motor racing,

893
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: or however, what do they call that? The center of

894
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: the racing universe? Whatever, Daytona, it's Ross Chastain in the

895
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: lead thirty three laps to go in Stage two of

896
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: the Great American Race. And in Milano, Cortina the Winter Olympics,

897
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: the United States holds a one nothing lead over Germany

898
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: in men's hockey. At the end of the first period.

899
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: Manny Machado, star third baseman for the San Diego Padres,

900
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: was meeting with the media today is the Padres and

901
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: all their people reported to Arizona for their spring training,

902
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: and he was asked about the Dodgers and how they

903
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: continue to spend and spend and spend and spend so

904
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: much money and what he thinks about that. Manny Machado said, quote,

905
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: I bleeping love it. Every team should be doing it.

906
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: That bleep is bleeping great for the game. End quote.

907
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: You can fill in your own curse words for the bleeps.

908
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: But that's a strong stance from a division rival, from

909
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: a guy who has made a lot of money in

910
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: his career. It's obviously good for the players when they

911
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: continue to spend money. I do think for teams like

912
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: the Reds and for Reds fans, it's particularly difficult to

913
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: get excited about a season when it feels like you

914
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: don't have a chance. And the Reds obviously coming off

915
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: of a playoff berth and the talent that they have,

916
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would feel like it's hopeless.

917
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: But how did you feel last year in a wild

918
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: card round. When the Reds go out to LA and

919
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: immediately just getting their faces bashed in by the Dodgers.

920
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: It felt like they didn't belong on the same field

921
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: as LA. And to kind of go back to the

922
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: caller Brandon who was talking about the potential lockout in

923
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: the future, you know this is gonna be a big

924
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: part of it. Is there gonna be a salary floor?

925
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a salary cap? How do you

926
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 1: make every fan base in baseball feel like their team

927
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: legitimately has a chance? Now? Part of it is getting

928
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: owners who actually care and want to spend and want

929
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: to try, and there's not enough of those in Major

930
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: League Baseball. But I found that quote from Manny Machado interesting.

931
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: I bleeping love it. Every team should be doing it.

932
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: That bleep is bleeping great for the game. I agree,

933
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: like if I was a Dodgers fan, I'd be thrilled.

934
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: The Dodgers have the money, so they spend the money.

935
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: The problem is not everybody is kind of on the

936
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: same level playing field as the Dodgers are. And I

937
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: don't know how exactly the Baseball that Baseball and the

938
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: Players Association those in charge are going to be able

939
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: to fix it. Coming up next, are Cincinnati sports fans

940
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: too negative or are they just scarred? Plus what do

941
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: Ken Griffey Junior and Joe Burrow have in common? That's

942
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: next on seven hundred WLW Welcome in Sunday afternoon Sports Talk,

943
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: seven hundred wl W. My name is Austin Elmore. Coming

944
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: up half an hour from right now, Joe Goodberry, the

945
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: host of Bengals on the Brain. Talk to him about

946
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: what the Bengals need to do between now and the

947
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: NFL Draft to set themselves up nicely for that number

948
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: ten overall pick. We'll talk about that coming up in

949
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: just a little bit. We've talked a lot of Reds

950
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: and I want to kind of shift the conversation to

951
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: bridge the gap from Reds to Bengals. And I want

952
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: to tell you a story. So earlier this week down

953
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: the Hall on ESPN fifteen thirty, I'm getting set for

954
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: the show with Tony Pike, and I'll be honest, there's

955
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: just there's not a lot going on as we'd like

956
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: to say. The cupboard is bear and we're trying to

957
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: think of some things to talk about. And I don't

958
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: do this often, but I've whipped out chat GPT. I

959
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you use chat GPT on a regular basis.

960
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I try not to. It's only when I'm

961
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: really in a pinch will I pull out the AI.

962
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: Because I have no interest in it. And there's a

963
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: lot going on with AI that I don't want to

964
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: be a part of. But I went out there. I said, okay,

965
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 1: if you were too, I told the AI. I told

966
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 1: chat GPT, I said, if you were to be producing

967
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: a sports talk radio show today, what would you talk about?

968
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Give me some topics, give me a rundown of the show.

969
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: And to its credit, impressively, it built a rundown very

970
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: similar to what we do every day without its help,

971
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: and it had these various different topics, and one of

972
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: them was is Zach Taylor only good because of Joe Burrow?

973
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: That's a classic question that we talk about around here.

974
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: And all these different topics and stuff that we've covered

975
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: and and a lot of the normal stuff, nothing really groundbreaking.

976
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: But there was one question that it offered that I

977
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: should pose to my listeners, and that question was are

978
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: Cincinnati sports fans too negative or are they just scarred

979
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: now that just that hits you in the chest. Doesn't

980
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 1: it hit you like a ton of bricks. And it

981
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: was especially pertinent to me in that moment because this

982
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: past week we went through or celebrated, I don't know

983
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: if celebrated is the right word, but there were a

984
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: couple of anniversaries from years gone by with the Reds

985
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:03,479
Speaker 1: and the Bengals. The first was Super Bowl fifty six.

986
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: It was four years ago this past week that the

987
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: Bengals lost to the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl

988
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: fifty six. It was also twenty six years ago this

989
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: week that Ken Griffy Junior was acquired by the Reds

990
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: and we talked about that, and I know Lance has

991
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: talked about this, and I just need people to understand,

992
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: fully for a moment, that's like sho hey o Tani

993
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: signing with the Reds today or being traded to the

994
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: Reds today. That is so insane that that happened, and

995
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: it makes me think about the years that followed. It's

996
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: made me think about the years that followed the Bengals

997
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: over the last several years since they were in the

998
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and how maybe those two things are similar.

999
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: And let's start with Ken Griffy Junior comes here in

1000
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: two thousand he's the best player on the play He's

1001
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: one of the most popular athletes on the planet. In

1002
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: that first season with the Reds, he was an All Star.

1003
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: In two thousand, he hit forty homers, he drove in

1004
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen runs, and the Reds had eighty

1005
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: five wins. It didn't make the playoffs. In two thousand

1006
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: and one, he missed some games due to his injuries.

1007
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: He had twenty two homers and sixty five runs batted in.

1008
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, he missed ninety two games,

1009
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: the Reds only won seventy eight. In two thousand and three,

1010
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: he missed one hundred and nine games. The Reds only

1011
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: won sixty nine. He bounced back well in two thousand

1012
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: and four, despite playing only eighty three games. He had

1013
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: twenty homers sixty rbi. The Reds only won seventy six.

1014
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five, he won the Comeback Player of

1015
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: the Year. He played in one hundred and twenty eight games,

1016
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: thirty five homers, ninety two runs batted in. The Reds

1017
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: only won seventy three games. Two thousand and six, he

1018
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: played in one hundred and nine games, twenty seven homers,

1019
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: seventy two runs batted in, Reds only won eighty games.

1020
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven, he was an All Star again,

1021
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: played one hundred and forty four games, thirty homers, ninety

1022
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: three runs batted in. The Reds only won seventy two games.

1023
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: So after the first season of Ken Griffy Junior in

1024
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: two thousand, the Reds did not have a single winning

1025
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: season throughout that entire period, and Junior was hurt a lot.

1026
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: But as you can tell, there's still a lot of

1027
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: very productive Ken Griffy Junior seasons in that list of

1028
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: years that he was here, and yet the organization never

1029
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: adequately built around him so that they could win a championship.

1030
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: When you go through some of the names of the

1031
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: pitchers that pitched in that era for the Reds, it's laughable,

1032
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: it's embarrassing. It's hard to believe that they never really

1033
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: did enough to build it into a winner. And this

1034
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: has become a thing with the Reds. They did the

1035
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: same thing with Joe Evado. They get an MVP, a

1036
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: generational talent, the best hitter the franchise has ever seen,

1037
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: and they don't do enough around him to win. Now

1038
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, that's probably a different story. They were that

1039
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: good in twenty twelve. I think they could have won

1040
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: the World Series, but still they didn't. They haven't won

1041
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: a playoff series since nineteen ninety five. And so it

1042
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: makes me wonder are Reds fans or our Cincinnati sports

1043
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: fans too negative or are they just scarred, because when

1044
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: you look at the discourse around Joe Burrow, it's the

1045
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: same thing. Here's a generational talent, here's the best quarterback

1046
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: in franchise history. He went to the Super Bowl, he

1047
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: went right back to the AFC Championship Game, and then

1048
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: its injuries, injuries, injuries. Now, twenty twenty four was an

1049
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: unbelievable year. He had an MVP caliber season. He put

1050
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: the team on his back over the final five games.

1051
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: He finished with the winning record and missed the playoffs.

1052
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: The defense historically bad, and you think, well, surely they

1053
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: won't be that bad again in twenty twenty five. Well

1054
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: they were just as bad, if not worse, were the

1055
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Bengals. And it made me think, you know,

1056
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: all this negativity around both these franchises is because of

1057
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: the fact that we've seen this movie before. We know

1058
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: how it ends. Ken Griffy Junior is a perfect example.

1059
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Organization didn't do enough to build around him, injuries didn't

1060
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: help things, and at the end of the day, you

1061
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: got nothing out of it. That's my biggest fear about

1062
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: the Joe Burrow era is that it's gonna end up

1063
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: just like Ken Griffy Junior, where the organization doesn't do

1064
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: enough to build around him and the injuries don't help,

1065
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: and by the time it's all said and done, we're

1066
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: walking out of here empty handed again. So yeah, Cincinnati

1067
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: fans are negative, but they're negative because they're scarred, because

1068
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: they've seen this movie before, because they know how it ends.

1069
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: Unless something changes. It feels like for the third year

1070
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: in a row, we're talking about how this is the

1071
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: most important offseason in Bengals history because of the ramifications

1072
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: it has on their ability to win the Super Bowl

1073
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: in the future. The draft, the free agency, the amount

1074
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Speaker 1: of money they have to spend, the extensions to the

1075
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: young players, all the things that are on the plate

1076
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: of the Bengals right now so that they can continue

1077
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: to build around Joe Burrow. The offense clearly is not

1078
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: the problem. Are they going to be able to do it?

1079
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 7: Was?

1080
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 1: This season and the season before. Were those two of

1081
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: a wake up call to say, oh crap, if we

1082
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: don't get our you know what, together, we're gonna walk

1083
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: out of here empty handed as well. And I don't

1084
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: know that this part of the comparison is all that apt.

1085
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: You know, when Ken Griffy Junior left, it was it

1086
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: was sad because they didn't Red's fans never really felt

1087
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: like Junior got a fair shake because he got hurt

1088
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: all the time and that was unfortunate. But the reason

1089
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: why Junior gets a pass, there's two reasons. Number one,

1090
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,479
Speaker 1: he was from here and number two, he took less

1091
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: money to be a Cincinnati Red and because he's one

1092
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: of our own, and because he took a discount because

1093
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: he put money, you know, down the line, deferred money

1094
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: because he wanted to be in Cincinnati. He got a

1095
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: pass and the injuries, of course play a role in

1096
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: that too. I don't know if Burrow is going to

1097
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: get that same pass. I think he will if the

1098
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: defense continues to stink. But the thing is, you know,

1099
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: Joe has put pressure on the organization. The organization has

1100
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: surrounded him with t Higgins and Jamar Chase. They've built

1101
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: up the offense, they've kept the coach that he wants

1102
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: and that he likes, but they haven't been able to

1103
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: press the right buttons in free agency and in the

1104
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: draft to give him a defense that competes. And that's

1105
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: a major, major issue. And I think there will be

1106
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: a difference in the way that fans react at the

1107
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: end of the Joe Burrow era compared to at the

1108
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: end of the Ken Griffy Junior era. If the Bengals

1109
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: fail to at least get back to the Super Bowl

1110
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: under Joe Burrow and with Joe Burrow, I think they

1111
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: will lose scores and scores of fans. I think it

1112
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: will be the final straw for a lot of people

1113
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: if they can't get Joe Burrow back, if they can't

1114
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: make the most of the Joe Burrow era. And to me,

1115
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: it felt like the Mike Brown statement at the end

1116
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: of the year when he mentioned Duke Tobin and Zach

1117
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: Taylor and the way that Duke Tobin talked and some

1118
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: of the frustration of Zach. At the end of the year,

1119
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: it felt like the Bengals were starting to feel the

1120
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: pressure internally and all this stuff. When it comes to

1121
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: a ring of honor and the investment back into the

1122
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: fans that they have made and kind of catching all

1123
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: the way up and redoing the locker room in the

1124
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: new uniforms and all this other stuff that the Bengals

1125
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: have done, and renovating the stadium and blah blah blah

1126
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: blah blah. All that other nonsense. To me feels like

1127
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: it goes out the window and fans will never forgive

1128
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: them if they don't get back to the postseason and

1129
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: give Joe Burrow a chance. Now, the injuries are not

1130
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: entirely the Bengals' fault. A lot of them have just

1131
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: been bad luck. There's been one injury that was really

1132
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: caused because of the offensive line and that his rookie year.

1133
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: The rest have just been kind of freaky and that

1134
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody can really control. But it's

1135
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: strange to look at those two eras what could have

1136
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: been in the excitement and the level of anticipation that

1137
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: Reds fans had the day kN Griffy Junior got here

1138
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: and then the eight seasons that followed, and the same

1139
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: that you could say about Joe Burrow when he got

1140
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty, and the way that they went

1141
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl in twenty one and what has

1142
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: happened over the last three years. It feels like we're

1143
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: teetering on going down the same path as the Ken

1144
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: Griffy Junior era for the Reds. Or is this the

1145
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: moment this offseason where the Bengals switched directions, they go

1146
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: the other way and they actually change the narrative around

1147
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 1: the franchise. This is critical, Take a break, We'll come back.

1148
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: This is seven hundred Wlwnard College basketball. And oh, by

1149
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: the way, the world's biggest afterthought, the NBA All Star

1150
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: Game happening tonight. When I was a kid, it was

1151
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: appointment television to watch the NBA All Star Game, Slam

1152
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: Dunk Contest, three point Competition, Skills Contest, Rising Stars Game,

1153
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: in the actual All Star Game. How the mighty have

1154
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: fallen when it comes to the NBA and that weekend.

1155
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: I still enjoy watching NBA basketball. I know that's probably

1156
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: not a popular take on this particular station. It's I'm

1157
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: a Chicago Bulls fan, so it's been a tough existence

1158
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: for the last twenty years, at least since Michael left.

1159
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: But I just remember this used to be a huge weekend.

1160
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't know who won the dunk contest that was

1161
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: last night. I don't know who won the three point

1162
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: contest that was last night. I have no idea. It's

1163
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: amazing how things change. More updates. United States up to

1164
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,479
Speaker 1: nothing on Germany in men's hockey. Right now, they're about

1165
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: midway through the second period. Let's go to col Rain

1166
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: and talk to Jim. Jim wants to talk about the Bengals.

1167
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: What's going on, Jim oh Man.

1168
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 12: All they got to do is be average on defense.

1169
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 12: So if I'm the general manager, when free agency hits,

1170
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 12: I go out to the best corner and the best

1171
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 12: defensive lineman, right. And then when the draft HiT's, I

1172
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 12: go first round, second round, and every simulator mock draft

1173
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 12: khalave Downs is sitting there, so I grab him.

1174
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: What did you just call him?

1175
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 12: Coleave cleave Downs?

1176
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: And what about what about Caleb?

1177
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: Caleb? There?

1178
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: We are you scared me for a second? There, You're

1179
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: all right? Go ahead and.

1180
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 12: Then try try and sign Joe black out to sweetheart deal.

1181
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 12: I mean, not to offer Tree Hendrickson something, but thirty

1182
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 12: million dollars. I mean you can get a couple of

1183
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 12: players for that couple really good players and.

1184
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: They're just better than average.

1185
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 4: We're going to be all right, Okay.

1186
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim, I appreciate that, and I thank you for

1187
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: the phone call. Now, a couple of weeks ago, I

1188
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: was on here and I said that I had changed

1189
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: my mind from that philosophy, which is just be league

1190
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: average and let the rest figure it out. And I

1191
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: think there is something to it, which is like, yeah,

1192
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't take that much when your offense is as

1193
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: good as it is. And I get that one hundred percent.

1194
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: But I also think there is a lesson to be

1195
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: learned from what we saw in the NFL playoffs this year,

1196
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: from what we saw last week in Super Bowl sixty,

1197
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: that there's a difference between a league average defense and

1198
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: a defense that can win you a Super Bowl. Now,

1199
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: when you get to the postseason, your offense, even if

1200
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: it's really really good, you're going to run into the

1201
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: best defenses. You got to be able to have the

1202
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: defense be the difference in a playoff game. And I

1203
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know if a league average defense is going to

1204
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: get you to that point. Maybe it will. It could

1205
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: get you there, it could win you a game. But

1206
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: I need more than that. I need more than a

1207
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: league average defense. I need a championship caliber defense to

1208
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: put me over the top. The good news is I

1209
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: think that the I don't think it's gonna take much

1210
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: to get from where they are to league average. To

1211
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: his point, the way the draft looks, the way free

1212
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: agency looks, the amount of money that you have, I

1213
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna take a ton to get from

1214
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: awful where they were to league average. Can they go

1215
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: a little bit further? Can they go a little bit

1216
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: more than league average and get to championship caliber? That's

1217
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: what I want to know, and that's gonna be my

1218
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,479
Speaker 1: question for Joe Goodberry in about seven minutes from right now.

1219
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: Can the Bengals get from a terrible defense to a

1220
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: championship caliber defense? Here from Joe next on seven hundred

1221
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: WLW you. My name's Austin Elmore. Excited to talk to

1222
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: my next guest because I don't know that there's anybody

1223
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: more in the know, more informed, more dialed in than

1224
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: our guy, Joe Goodberry from Bengals on the Brain. You

1225
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: can follow him at Joe Goodberry on Twitter and Joe

1226
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: joins me. Now, Joe, thanks for the time. Let's start

1227
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: with this offseason. It's all about the defense. Everybody's got

1228
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: to fix the defense. Can the Bengals go from where

1229
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: they were on defense to a championship caliber defense in

1230
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: one offseason?

1231
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 7: Ooh?

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01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 3: Probably not championship caliber. And when you say that, you

1233
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 3: know what I think? I think the Seahawks, right, we

1234
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 3: just saw this happen like they carried that team and

1235
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 3: the offense was very good. That was the top ten

1236
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 3: offense as well. So can the Bengals have a top

1237
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 3: three offense and a top twelve defense? Yeah? I think

1238
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 3: they could. They have enough resources in terms of cap

1239
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 3: space and cash this year without having pending major extensions

1240
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 3: like the Jamar Chasey Higgins extensions last year, and they

1241
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: have a top ten draft pick, so they should be

1242
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 3: able to. It's really going to come down to can

1243
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: they make the right choices? Can they sign the right guys?

1244
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: And I actually think they've done well in free agency

1245
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 3: for the most part of the last five to six years,

1246
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 3: So if they can have a successful offseason, yes. The

1247
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 3: thing I keep stopping on though, Austin is can Al

1248
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 3: Golden do it? Because I had a lot of reservations

1249
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 3: about the way Golden called defense last year, and maybe

1250
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 3: he did so because there just wasn't enough talent.

1251
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the same thing, And I'm an Ohio

1252
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: State fan and I'll never forget. In the National Championship Game,

1253
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: Al Golden decided to get one on one against Jeremiah Smith,

1254
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: and I wanted to send him a thank you card.

1255
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: And then two weeks later he's the defensive coordinator of

1256
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: the Bengals, and that had me concerned. Let's start with

1257
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, those last few games of the year, they

1258
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: played a little bit better. We saw the same thing

1259
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. Was that actual progress from the

1260
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: defense at the end of the year that they can

1261
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: take into the offseason or was that just not quite

1262
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: as good of opponents that they were going up against.

1263
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Speaker 3: So, for one thing, I don't believe there's any carryover

1264
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: from one year to the next. Right It's sure, it

1265
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: may make you feel good, it may make you you know,

1266
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: I would want to end on a high note too,

1267
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: Like anytime I finish a project or a season or anything,

1268
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: I'm gonna end it positive. So I get that aspect

1269
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 3: from a player or a coach's vantage point, but there's

1270
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 3: nothing really to carry over from a large picture. But

1271
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 3: maybe if we put the microscope on Miles Murphy and say,

1272
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 3: you know what he looks like, he can help you

1273
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 3: and play. And maybe we put it on Jordan Battle

1274
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: and say he can help you, he can play. Maybe

1275
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 3: maybe Jalen Davis is the good slot corner that they need.

1276
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 3: I thought the secondary played a lot better once he

1277
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 3: was inside and Dax was on the boundary. So there

1278
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 3: are little things to look at. Maybe both rookie linebackers

1279
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 3: played their best games at the end of the season.

1280
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 3: They did, so those when you put the microscope on

1281
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 3: a player and look at the player evaluation, there are

1282
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 3: things to take from that. You just hope they don't

1283
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 3: take too much. You can't say, well, that's who that

1284
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,160
Speaker 3: guy is going to be, and al Barrett Carter is

1285
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 3: gonna be the guy we saw over the final three games.

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Speaker 3: You can't be sure of that. There are ebbs and flows.

1287
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 3: Progression isn't linear, You're gonna be You got to make

1288
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 3: decisions as if that's the guy you saw for the

1289
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 3: entire season, is that good enough for you to bank

1290
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: on going into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: So now we get into the offseason quote unquote officially,

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Speaker 1: now after the Super Bowl's conclusion, what is the biggest thing,

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: the number one priority in your mind that they can

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Speaker 1: do to set themselves up nicely before the draft happens.

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Speaker 3: Ideally, I'd love to have this team able to feel

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Speaker 3: the roster that is at least competitive before the draft.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I think the biggest issue the Bengals have

1298
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 3: had when it comes to drafting is I don't think

1299
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 3: they get there and say, you know, we can take

1300
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: best player available. What I think they do is they say, we, man,

1301
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: we really need a center. Oh man, Frank greg noow went,

1302
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 3: Let's go with Billy Price the next center. Right. That's

1303
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 3: a bad that's.

1304
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 4: A bad plan.

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01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 3: You don't want to do that. You don't want to

1306
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 3: do it too often. And I feel like the Bengals

1307
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 3: get there far too often so that they'll fill eighty

1308
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 3: percent of their needs in free agency and say, I'm

1309
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 3: worry we'll get that those other two in the draft.

1310
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Speaker 3: So we'll make sure we get a linebacker in round two,

1311
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 3: no matter who it is. And you convince yourself that

1312
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 3: to meet Das Knight is worth that pick. So if

1313
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 3: they can get into let's say we're midway through April, right,

1314
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 3: free agency is cooled off, and we're looking at like Yeah,

1315
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 3: there's no major hole on this defense. They've signed a safety.

1316
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 3: You can have that veteran safety and Jordan battle start

1317
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: for you. It doesn't preclude you from taking Caleb down

1318
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 3: speeds there at then, but if he's there, it gives

1319
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 3: you an upgrade. Right, say they signed a free agent

1320
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 3: defensive end, but oh hey, David Bailey or Ruben boum

1321
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 3: Bain are still there. You didn't expect it. Guess what

1322
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,759
Speaker 3: we can take it? And now defensive end becomes a strength.

1323
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 3: So you want to sign as many free agents as

1324
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 3: you can get to the draft and have clear eyes

1325
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 3: when you're making that pick. And I feel like their

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01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 3: best drafts have been when they can do that.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you one hundred percent. So let's go.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's quickly check in on free agency. Are there

1329
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: any names out there that you feel like would be

1330
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: a good fit for the Bengals that would make sense

1331
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: for them him financially and can check some of those boxes.

1332
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: Who are the guys that you're keeping an eye on

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: as we go towards free agency?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Can I mention Treyandrickson? I'm not sure we'll talk

1335
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 3: about him a little bit, but I want a top

1336
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 3: tier one free agent pass rusher, and he is that

1337
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 3: guy whether you look at you know, CBS rankings or

1338
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: PFF and a PFF definitely has him number one. It's

1339
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: the top free agent available and I would like that. Now,

1340
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 3: say he walks and say the Bengals just let him go.

1341
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 3: What is the next best edge rusher? To me, it's

1342
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 3: probably a dafe Oway who was with the Ravens, former

1343
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 3: first round pick out of Penn State, who very similar

1344
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 3: to Smart Stewart. He's a comparable player that we used

1345
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 3: a lot when we're talking about Schamar last year, but

1346
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 3: he's hit his stride over the last two years. It

1347
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 3: looks like it's a good starting edge player that can

1348
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 3: play against the run and give you some athletic jews

1349
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,960
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher. They're saying he's going to break

1350
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 3: the bank. And then I look and he's got David

1351
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 3: mullagette as his agent. I'm like, well, we can throw

1352
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 3: that one out of the window so quickly. I've given

1353
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 3: you two players that probably won't be in Bengals tripes

1354
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: next year. So who's the next best defensive Then it's

1355
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 3: I believe Jalen Phillips, again, a former first rounder trader

1356
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 3: from the Dolphins to the Eagles. Oh wait was traded too,

1357
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 3: so both these guys. But Phillips has had an injury

1358
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: history pretty extensive, but when he has played, he has

1359
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 3: been very very good, which may limit how much guaranteed

1360
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 3: money he gets out there because he's always got that

1361
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 3: risk and has that history. But that kind of sounds

1362
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 3: like a Bengals contract low one limited or low and

1363
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 3: guaranteed money, maybe a bigger signing bonus, maybe a two

1364
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: year deal instead of three or four mega deal, And

1365
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 3: I think the Bengals could be more interested in the

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01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips type. To me, if you want to go

1367
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 3: down the list and look for a pass rusher that

1368
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: had like a high pass rush win rate, is maybe

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Speaker 3: twenty six years old, twenty seven former premium pick, thirty

1370
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: eighth overall out of penns Day. Also Arnold Ebocadie from

1371
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 3: the Falcons. They drafted two at rushers last year, so

1372
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 3: he kind of got pushed on the depth chair. But

1373
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 3: when he has played, and he played, I had to

1374
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,560
Speaker 3: get one hundred and eighty pass rushes last year, so

1375
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 3: he played about four hundred and something snaps his pass

1376
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 3: rush win rate was top ten the league. So that's

1377
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 3: a guy that you can find is like a value

1378
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 3: at rusher to mix in with Shamar and Miles Murphy

1379
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 3: and still keep you open to drafting a guy if

1380
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 3: he's there, like a Ruben Gane at ten. And then

1381
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 3: you go into the season like, hey, we got four

1382
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 3: pass rushers here that you feel good about. So you know,

1383
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 3: just looking at that one position, I think there are

1384
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 3: a few guys there.

1385
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 1: Let's say that that Mike Brown is listening to this

1386
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: interview right now, and as soon as we hang up

1387
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: the phone, he calls you and offers you to be

1388
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: the director of football operations for the Bengals. What would

1389
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: you do with Trey Hendrickson if you were in charge.

1390
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 3: Till it was man, I would be trying to extend him.

1391
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,799
Speaker 3: I would say, listen, I understand all of the issues

1392
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: from negotiating with the Bengals last couple of years. I

1393
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 3: understand the frustration from both sides to be honest with you,

1394
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 3: and I would say, let's squash that. We've got a

1395
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 3: new direction here and we're going to give you a

1396
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: two year sixty millions up to seventy million. I would

1397
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: go as far as Afew what was getting thirty five million,

1398
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 3: similar to it Danil Hunter what he got from the Texans.

1399
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 3: I believe he got two year, sixty four million totally guaranteed.

1400
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 3: I don't think Tredy's gonna get a total guaranteed deal

1401
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 3: after spending any year in ir but you could give

1402
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,600
Speaker 3: him at least a year and a half of that guaranteed,

1403
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 3: and if you go up to three years. It sounds

1404
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 3: like the Bengals offered three for ninety last year, thirty

1405
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,600
Speaker 3: million per year, but only one year guaranteed. That was

1406
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 3: the hang up if it was me, if I'm in charge,

1407
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 3: all of these big free agents want multiple years of

1408
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 3: guaranteed money. Even Trey with the year he had last year,

1409
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 3: is going to get that if he hits the open market.

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01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 3: So I would be willing to pay him whatever it

1411
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 3: is for two or three years. I still think he's good.

1412
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 3: He's still good when he played last year. I wouldn't

1413
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 3: be worried about a fall off just yet.

1414
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: Talking to Joe Goodbarry at Joe Goodbarry Bengals on the

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01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: Brain on YouTube as well, let's start looking at the draft.

1416
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: I know you've been digging into all these prospects. When

1417
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: it comes to the guys that could be available to

1418
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals at number ten, where are you leaning right now?

1419
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: And among these prospects, who's been the most impressive one

1420
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: that you've watched so far?

1421
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 3: Ooh yeah, it's probably two different questions. Sometimes I'm not

1422
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 3: going there's gonna be a guy like a Caleb Downs. Obviously,

1423
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 3: that is probably the most impressive guy on tape, where

1424
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: he's doing everything you want him to do. He knows

1425
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 3: where the ball is going. He's getting to the hole

1426
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 3: or getting to the outside where the ball is supposed

1427
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: to go before the ballcarrier. He's often jumping routes before

1428
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks eyes are even getting there. He's just a

1429
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 3: tremendous safety, as good as you can possibly be on tape. Now,

1430
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 3: is he the biggest guy or is he the fastest?

1431
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 3: We're going to find that out at the combine. Typically

1432
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 3: the safeties that go top ten are the freaks, the

1433
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 3: guys that are big and fast, right the Sean Taylor's

1434
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 3: and even Kyle Hamilton. I think he was like thirteenth overall,

1435
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 3: fourteenth overall those guys that go top fifteen. Irwin James

1436
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: was also big and athletic, right, those guys tend to

1437
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 3: be the bigger ones and downs, isn't that, which is

1438
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: why he could fall a little bit and be available

1439
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 3: at ten. And if he is, I think he's going

1440
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 3: to be a top three player on pretty much every board.

1441
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 3: It's just gonna be positional value. So I could see

1442
01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 3: easily being the guy the Bengals want, and he's going

1443
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 3: to check every single box. But to me, the best

1444
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: pass rusher is David Bailey out of Texas Tech. A

1445
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 3: lot like Trey Hendrickson, where he's not the best against

1446
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: the run, but you know what, he's got every single move,

1447
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 3: he's explosive off the edge. He converts speed to power

1448
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: very very well because he's not the biggest guy either,

1449
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 3: but he packs a punch when he gets his hands

1450
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 3: on offensive tackles. And I started watching offensive lineman recently

1451
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 3: and they're all losing to David Bailey. David Bailey is

1452
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: He's the guy. He's the pass rusher in this draft.

1453
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 3: And everyone loves Ruben Bayin. I do too, but Bain

1454
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 3: is more of a power run defender guy you're gonna

1455
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 3: kick inside, where Bailey's that edge guy that you need

1456
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: an edge pass rusher to win on third down in

1457
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 3: the crunch situation end of the game, it's gonna be

1458
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 3: David Bailey. So if I had a chance to get him,

1459
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 3: or if he got to like pick six, I'd be

1460
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 3: interested in trading up. It was me if you're still

1461
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: putting me in that position, you know, in leading the

1462
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 3: Bengals charge. But yeah, I'll give you an underrated guy

1463
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: that I think is probably a top fifteen player in

1464
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 3: this draft. I don't think the Bengals will consider him

1465
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 3: at ten, but I won't. Don't be shocked. Four in February. Now,

1466
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 3: we got two months. In two months, if Dylan Deenam

1467
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 3: in the safety out of Oregon is considered a top

1468
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 3: twenty five, top twenty Cowboys, I haven't pick at twenty.

1469
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be shocked. If that's like the slatform there,

1470
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 3: I think believe consensus right now. I've got them up. Yeah,

1471
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 3: Covensa's thirty fifth overall. I think he's gonna end up

1472
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 3: going top twenty five. So that's a player that I

1473
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 3: think is gonna blow it up at the combine too,

1474
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 3: and then everyone's going to be in love after that.

1475
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned offensive linemen losing to David Bailey.

1476
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: I've seen some mock drafts recently where the Bengals are

1477
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: picking an offensive lineman in those mock drafts. Now, again,

1478
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: let's say that they did do those things. If they

1479
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: signed those pass rushers, they got that safety and they

1480
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:45,799
Speaker 1: can be at a best player available mindset in the draft.

1481
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: Is there any player that offensive lineman that you would

1482
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: be willing to take at number ten?

1483
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 3: I think we have to be very aware of this

1484
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,879
Speaker 3: scenario for sure, because offensive linemen, especially tackles, get drafted.

1485
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 3: If you want a good one, they tend to go

1486
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 3: in the first round. I still think the Bengals are

1487
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 3: perfectly fine with Orlando Brown at left tackle for another year,

1488
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: and then in fact, they may even extend him. They've

1489
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 3: watched the look at the free agent offensive tackle market.

1490
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 3: It stinks, and like if he was a free agent,

1491
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 3: he get twenty million dollars a year easily. So if

1492
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 3: you want a Verry in a year, this guy is

1493
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 3: gonna take over at left tackle, or Amarus Men kicks over,

1494
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 3: or he's gonna play guard. Right now, because it's Dalton

1495
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 3: Rising are still unsigned at the right guard spot, there

1496
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,719
Speaker 3: are two guys there. The top one probably is Spencer

1497
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: Findo out of Utah played left tackle or early finished

1498
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 3: his career at right tackle. I think he is everything

1499
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 3: you're looking forward at that spot and is I don't

1500
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: think he'll be there. I think he's gonna be the

1501
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 3: guy that goes essentially number three, five seven in that range.

1502
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 3: The Chiefs could use the tackle. And then you have

1503
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 3: Francis Maniola out of Miami, who is twenty on film.

1504
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 3: He's not even twenty one yet. You won't turn twenty

1505
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 3: one until after the draft. So an extremely young guy

1506
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 3: that some see as a guard. I think that'd be

1507
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 3: perfect for the Bengals if you if you want to say,

1508
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 3: you know what, We're just gonna play in that right

1509
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 3: guard because we didn't figure that position out, We couldn't

1510
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 3: get Dalton Rise in their back. Whatever the case may be,

1511
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 3: draft them, keep them young, and they keep them cheap

1512
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 3: on the offensive line. That allows you to spend more

1513
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 3: money on the defense. I could be with that because

1514
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 3: I run into a lot of scenarios where kleb Downs

1515
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 3: isn't there. Rbl Reeves, David Bailey, Ruben Bain, They're just

1516
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 3: not there. What do you want to do? Do you want

1517
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: to take an offensive tackle or do you want to

1518
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,799
Speaker 3: go cornerback? Do you want to go linebacker? Off fall linebacker?

1519
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 3: They can't rush the passer in funny styles? Whose styles

1520
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,839
Speaker 3: is probably with downs, the safest prospect in this class.

1521
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 3: But is that worth it when you can't put the

1522
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 3: franchise tag on them, you can't pick up the fifth

1523
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 3: year option because the way the CBA is that they

1524
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 3: are counted as pass rushers, they get paid like defensive ends.

1525
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 3: That really hamstrings what the Bengals could do in the

1526
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 3: future if they drafted as Sunny Styles. So I think

1527
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: you have to be aware the offensive line could be

1528
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 3: best player available.

1529
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought about that too with the corners, because

1530
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen a lot of those mocked

1531
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,759
Speaker 1: as well. I guess kind of in that similar situation there.

1532
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,679
Speaker 1: You mentioned the scouting combine coming up when it comes

1533
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: to your evaluation of these players, And again I've followed

1534
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: Joe for a long time, and you're right quite a

1535
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: bit when it comes to the combine specifically, what are

1536
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: you looking at to give you a little bit more

1537
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: information that might sell you on a guy. Is that

1538
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 1: possible to get sold on a guy at the combine?

1539
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: What are you looking at when they're in Indianapolis.

1540
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's more than just a forty time. I

1541
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 3: think they've popularized the forty times so much, and that's

1542
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 3: great because it gets people to watch it and understand

1543
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: what the process is. But what's really happening there is

1544
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 3: teams and coaches are meeting with these players, largely for

1545
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 3: the first time. They may have met him at the

1546
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl or an All Star Game or whatever, but

1547
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: every team and every coach is going to be there.

1548
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 3: They're going to meet these guys. They're going to go

1549
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 3: through extensive medical checks, which helps in hurt some guys.

1550
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 3: You are going to see fluidity on the boards because

1551
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 3: of medical checks. But really it's more than just forty

1552
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 3: You want to see explosiveness in terms of the vertical,

1553
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 3: the three cone, the short shuttle. You want to see

1554
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 3: them get on the field. And a lot of these

1555
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 3: guys that maybe are like a white tackle only Okay, well,

1556
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 3: we're gonna put you through left tackle type drills. Linebackers,

1557
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 3: let's see you move and drop in the coverage. Especially

1558
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 3: edge guys too, We're gonna put you and drop you

1559
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: in the coverage. I think corners a lot you can

1560
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 3: see especially in college defenses where they're just sometimes they're

1561
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 3: just playing zone defense. Not a lot of them are

1562
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 3: playing man, so you get to see them actually flip

1563
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: his hips, turn, locate the ball high in the air.

1564
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 3: Can they make a play on it? A lot of

1565
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 3: times these guys can't. You go yeah right away at

1566
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 3: the ball skills on that guy or he's cracking under pressure.

1567
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 3: Either way, that's not good for a corner. So there's

1568
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 3: a lot to look at, and then you want to

1569
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you want these guys

1570
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 3: to test well. It is never a bad thing to

1571
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 3: test well. You want to put them in the bucket

1572
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 3: with all of the All pros, all of the Pro bowlers,

1573
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 3: Like you're hitting at a ninety percent rate of Pro

1574
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 3: bowlers and all pro guys are elite athletes, so you

1575
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 3: want your favorite prospect to test that way as well.

1576
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: Joe Goodbarry can't thank you enough for the time before

1577
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: I let you go, let people know what do you

1578
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: working on, what you got coming up, and how can

1579
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: they find you.

1580
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 3: I've got a whole mock off season coming up. That'll

1581
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 3: be the next two episodes and Bengals on the Brain

1582
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 3: go to the first start. Media YouTube page. The episode

1583
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 3: on Tuesday will be a mock free agency and then

1584
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 3: Friday's episode will be a mock draft. That really, you

1585
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 3: gotta have the free agency. You gotta know who assigned

1586
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 3: in order to do the mock draft. So those are

1587
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 3: back to back coming up this week.

1588
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 1: Awesome stuff, Joe, thanks so much, man, really appreciate the time.

1589
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Auesome That is Joe Goodberry, one of the

1590
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: best follows on Twitter at Joe Goodberry is is at

1591
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: man good stuff there and especially outlining the point there

1592
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: about the possibility of taking an offensive lineman at number

1593
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,440
Speaker 1: ten and kind of how that coincides with the cornerback

1594
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: position and the positional value that happens with the linebacker

1595
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: in that spot, and because of the fifth year option,

1596
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: the way the contracts are set up, it gets complicated

1597
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 1: at number ten. But when we come back, I want

1598
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 1: to know from you right now. You're the listener. Let's

1599
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: say you're Duketobin. Let's say you're in charge. Who you

1600
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 1: picking at number ten with the tenth pick in the

1601
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select who

1602
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: you make the pick that's next on es. This is

1603
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: not ESPN fifteen thirty. I've been thinking I've almost said

1604
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:27,480
Speaker 1: that about six times today. This is seven hundred WLW

1605
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: Sunday Afternoon Sports SOK, seven hundred WLW. My name is

1606
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: Austin Elmore. A lot of sports going on right now.

1607
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: Colin Morikawa a two stroke lead over Scotty Scheffler and

1608
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Minwu Lee at the Pebble Beach Pro Am. The United

1609
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: States is beating Germany like a Grand Canyon mule in

1610
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: ice hockey for nothing. At the Olympics. Bubba Wallace leads

1611
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: the Great American Race with thirty two laps to go

1612
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: at the Daytona five hundred. You see Victim Vitorius earlier today,

1613
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: Xavier victorious yesterday, Reds at spring training in Goodyear, Arizona.

1614
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: Long story short, There's a lot going on for February fifteenth.

1615
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here with me. Phone lines are

1616
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,559
Speaker 1: open at five point three seven four nine, seven thousand.

1617
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 1: I want you to make the pick. Let's say your

1618
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin. Who are you picking right now? Number ten

1619
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft with just over two months to go.

1620
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: We talked to Joe Goodberry and very excited, uh uh

1621
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: to have Joe on because he's just so smart and

1622
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: the things that him and his team do. They come

1623
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: up with a prospect board, and they have their own rankings,

1624
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: and they composite them all together and they make their

1625
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: top one hundred draft picks and whatnot. And he went

1626
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: back and was like grading some of their picks and

1627
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: following along to how some of those players have done.

1628
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: And they discovered that the Seattle Seahawks are the closest

1629
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 1: team in the NFL to how Joe and his team

1630
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:06,640
Speaker 1: evaluate players. I don't know if you know this or not,

1631
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: but the Seattle Seahawks are the reigning Super Bowl champions.

1632
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: So just to goes to show you that Joe knows

1633
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: what he's talking about. So I appreciate him making the time.

1634
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: I just I want to kind of follow up quickly

1635
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: on something that he had said and that we had

1636
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: talked about, and that is the Bengals historically have drafted

1637
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: really well when they have the ability to draft the

1638
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 1: best player available, and they have drafted very poorly when

1639
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 1: they have had to draft for need. And that's what's

1640
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: happened over the last couple of years. I don't think

1641
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 1: they've done enough in free agency, so they've pigeonholed themselves

1642
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 1: into a position in the draft that they feel like

1643
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: they have to take this guy or else, and that

1644
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: has led to them passing on really good players, them

1645
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: missing out on huge opportunities and for them, you know,

1646
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: kind of setting the clock back over the last couple

1647
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: of years, especially on defense. Now I'm gonna say this

1648
01:28:14,040 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: is a guy that we haven't talked about very much

1649
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: this offseason, and that's Shamar Stewart. I'm a Shamar Stewart believer.

1650
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm maybe the only one. It feels

1651
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 1: like that. But the way that Zach Taylor talked about

1652
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: him at the end of the year, now that the

1653
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: contract stuff is entirely behind him, I thought I saw

1654
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: some good stuff from Shamar Stewart. He's gonna be fully

1655
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: healthy this offseason. He knows what's expected of him. Al

1656
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Golden has a year with him. I really like their

1657
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 1: new defensive line coach giving him an opportunity in Montgomery.

1658
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: So I'm a believer in Shamar Stewart. I'm not saying

1659
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart is the answer, but I'm a believer in

1660
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart. And if you can set yourself up in

1661
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: free agency. Let's say you get two more defensive linemen.

1662
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Let's say you sign one of those safeties, and all

1663
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 1: of a sudden, let's say you take care of business

1664
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: with Dalton Reisner, you get an extension on the books

1665
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: for DJ Turner, and all of a sudden, you have

1666
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: the financial flexibility to add where you need. And also

1667
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: you're not pigeonholing yourself into having to take a Caleb

1668
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Downs or having to take an edge rusher at number ten.

1669
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: And maybe that opens up the possibility of trading back

1670
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: a couple of spots, or maybe it opens up the

1671
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 1: possibility of trading up a couple of spots to ensure

1672
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,680
Speaker 1: that you're building this thing in the right way. The

1673
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: importance of flexibility on draft days so that you can

1674
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: take the best player available, I think is incredibly important.

1675
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: And the other thing about this Bengals off season that

1676
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:47,679
Speaker 1: we haven't talked enough about because it's a really boring

1677
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: thing to talk about is depth.

1678
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 3: Now.

1679
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: Joe said that he feels like they're fine with the

1680
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: Orlando Brown junior, and I can appreciate that opinion, but

1681
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: also I think the clock is ticking a little bit

1682
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: on that entire unit. Ted Carris is getting older, Orlando

1683
01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: Brown Junior is getting older. You don't have a solution

1684
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: yet At right guard. I think you feel pretty good

1685
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 1: about Amarus Mims and Dylan Fairchild, but Mims has had

1686
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 1: some injury problems in the past. They're probably gonna let

1687
01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: Cody Ford go to save a little bit of money.

1688
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: Jalen Rivers didn't quite be who you wanted him to be.

1689
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,599
Speaker 1: They need to fix the depth of that offensive line.

1690
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: You remember the game this year. I think it was

1691
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: the game that Cody Ford caught a pass. I'm blanking

1692
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 1: on which game that was. But Amarius Mims got hurt

1693
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: and he was out for a couple of drives and

1694
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:45,320
Speaker 1: Cody Ford came in for him. The Bengals offense immediately

1695
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: went to crap because of how bad Cody Ford had been.

1696
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: The importance of the depth of your offensive line cannot

1697
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: be understated. It can't. And so it kind of goes

1698
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: back to the conversation that we had with earlier in

1699
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: the show about like the similarities between the Ken Griffy

1700
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: Junior era and the Joe Burrow era and being able

1701
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: to build around great players. The Bengals have to be

1702
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: able to build around Joe Burrow in a sense, in

1703
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: a way that makes sense, with the depth of the

1704
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: offensive line, with the playmakers that might be Availabley're going

1705
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: to draft a wide receiver this year, by the way,

1706
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: maybe not in the first pick, but it's going to

1707
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 1: be up there. And that defense and being able to

1708
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: fix it. You've got to give him a chance and

1709
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: help build around him so that you can get back

1710
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 1: to the postseason, especially this year. I mean the way

1711
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:41,919
Speaker 1: you saw the AFC playoff shakeout. I mean Sam Darnold

1712
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: and Drake May in the Super Bowl. Drake May was

1713
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 1: awful in those three games, but the Patriots defense continued

1714
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: to show up. They gave their quarterback a chance. They

1715
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 1: found a way. I feel like it's still very much

1716
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: attainable for the Bengals. They just got to find a

1717
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: way to get back to the postseason. Phone lines are

1718
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 1: up to five thousand. Let's go out to Mansfield and

1719
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: talk to Kirk. Hey, Kirk, what's up?

1720
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 4: Hey?

1721
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 13: I got a couple of Bengals stories and a couple

1722
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 13: of Ken Grippy stores I want to share with you

1723
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 13: real quickly. Already hit me okay, uh. When I graduated

1724
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 13: boot camp, the eighty two Super Bowl was on from

1725
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 13: Great Lakes Navy. We all jump in this guy's car,

1726
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 13: didn't even knowing. We went to a hotel. I got

1727
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 13: four beers, two in each hand. It was fifty below.

1728
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:40,600
Speaker 13: The wind was blowing so hard it froze the SuDS

1729
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,439
Speaker 13: to my coat when the time I got back to

1730
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 13: the room. Thus we went in. We watched the ice

1731
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,480
Speaker 13: Bowl and then the catch from the Niners. Fast forward

1732
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 13: a little bit, Mike. I grew up a Crosley fielder,

1733
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 13: much so when the Bengals along, all they got was

1734
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 13: the Browns on Weekly TV. You know, Jim Brown, Paul Warkfield, Leeway,

1735
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 13: Kelly Frank, Ryan, Garry, Coins and the Lake.

1736
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1737
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:14,080
Speaker 13: And and let me think here, my dad took me

1738
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 13: to the first ever open to the public Bengals training camp. Yeah,

1739
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 13: all of a sudden, here come to Bengals and uh,

1740
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 13: Paul Brown, the running back, remember him. I don't know

1741
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 13: if you do or not for me not he took

1742
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 13: He tore a stripe off his uniform and gave it

1743
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 13: to me. Okay, let me get the Ken Griff Junior

1744
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 13: real quick. Please don't Yeah, I know, I don't want

1745
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 13: to bore anybody. Okay, my buddy's dad owned the golf

1746
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 13: course in Waynesville. I don't know if you were played there,

1747
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 13: Hally Heels. So we get a couple of dogs, a

1748
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 13: couple of beers about eighteen years old, drive down the

1749
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 13: first teeth. Well, there's these two black guys down there,

1750
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 13: a guy with a pretty good appro and a young

1751
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:07,640
Speaker 13: left handed black guy. So they got pull cars. So

1752
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 13: we let him tall, you know, you know, nice. So

1753
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 13: then week tetof it didn't dawn on me too. About

1754
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 13: a week later that was Ken Griffy Sor and Ken

1755
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 13: Gurfy Junior. How about that man?

1756
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool, and Kirk, thank you for the phone call.

1757
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever seen Ken Griffy Junior golf,

1758
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you this, his golf swing is just

1759
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: as beautiful as his baseball swing. I mean, that dude

1760
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:36,759
Speaker 1: was just blessed with a gift. I remember Ken Griffy

1761
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:40,680
Speaker 1: Senior told a story once where Junior was probably I

1762
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: don't know, sixteen or seventeen years old or something like that.

1763
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 1: He was young, and he came and took batting practice

1764
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: with the Reds and Tony Perez was standing behind home

1765
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 1: plate watching Junior take batting practice. As a young kid,

1766
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: and he looked at Ken Griffy Senor and whatever you do,

1767
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 1: don't touch his swing. He doesn't need any help. He's

1768
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: got it. It's figured out. Obviously goes on to mash

1769
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 1: baseballs at Moler and then obviously in the big leagues

1770
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 1: for a long time. Let's go out to Western Hills

1771
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: and talk to Rick up Rick Hi.

1772
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 14: So the Bengals should draft anybody who can tackle. Again,

1773
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 14: that sounds crazy, but that team can't tackle anybody last year.

1774
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 14: And that's a lot to do with coaching and not

1775
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 14: being able to train people how to tackle. Because I'm

1776
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 14: sure they tackled in college. But what they got to

1777
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 14: do is is they got to get guys and let

1778
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 14: their their conferences and tackles that are aggressive, that that

1779
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 14: have a motor in them. Because I think when these

1780
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 14: guys get drafted, they get this big signing bonus, they

1781
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 14: start taking it easy. They hang out, they don't do nothing,

1782
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 14: they lift a lot of weights, but then they get

1783
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,799
Speaker 14: all these polls and hamstrings. I just want somebody who

1784
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:02,599
Speaker 14: who likes to ron, who likes to try real hard

1785
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 14: and likes to tackle, and then and then they'll do okay.

1786
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 14: And then besides the offensive line. Orlando Brown Junior was

1787
01:36:10,360 --> 01:36:12,639
Speaker 14: letting all kinds of people through last year, and Joe

1788
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 14: Burrows was any other quarterbacks are getting destroyed by him,

1789
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 14: and you know, I just it's been one year after another.

1790
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 14: They just can't stop people. I'm surprised Joe Burrow wants

1791
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 14: to play here anymore because he.

1792
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 4: Keeps getting hurt.

1793
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:29,120
Speaker 14: And that's not his fault. That's the line. That line

1794
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 14: could never stop anybody. And you know when he when

1795
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 14: he got hurt in Pittsford that time, and and and that.

1796
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 4: Was the he was.

1797
01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 14: They were saying he got it thrown to the ground.

1798
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 14: I know, numerous times every single game. You know, it

1799
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 14: just never ends.

1800
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 4: Why can't he just get somebody who can just block.

1801
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 14: I don't don't get it.

1802
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: Rick, thank you for the phone call. Your opinion has

1803
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: been hurt. I appreciate it. Okay, slam it down number one.

1804
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I don't think Orlando Brown Junior was

1805
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: that bad last year. I also don't think he was

1806
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: Anthony Munos. There's a difference, and clearly that's a position

1807
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: that I have a little bit of concern about. I

1808
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,879
Speaker 1: just talked about that as a whole though the Bengals

1809
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: offensive line was pretty good last year. It really wasn't bad.

1810
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: It was by far, and Joe even said this the

1811
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: best line that they have had since he's been there.

1812
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: So I think there's a little bit of cherry picking

1813
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,839
Speaker 1: some stuff right there. And the game that he referenced

1814
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: was the twenty twenty four Steelers game and that offensive

1815
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: line was really bad at the end of the year

1816
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: against Pittsburgh and they fixed it with Dylan Fairchild and

1817
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: with Dalton Reisner and others the following year. So I

1818
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: do think the line is trending in the right direction,

1819
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: especially if they're able to keep Dalton Reisner and re

1820
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: sign him. But yeah, I think your grander point about

1821
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 1: getting somebody who has tackled and knows how to tackle,

1822
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 1: that's pretty damn important. And that was part of the

1823
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: reason why there's frustration with guys like Miles Murphy and

1824
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: with guys like Shamar Stewart in the past, is because

1825
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: there's not a significant amount of data to go off

1826
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:08,640
Speaker 1: of in college that shows that these guys were incredibly productive.

1827
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 1: The Bengals at times have l have lean more on

1828
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: traits than on production, and I would like to see

1829
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 1: them focus more on production. Guys that have been there

1830
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: and done that, especially at bigger schools, especially in big

1831
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: games and big moments. Can you get those guys in

1832
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: the draft that is proven to over the course of

1833
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: a college career be effective and productive when it comes

1834
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: to whatever position they might be playing, whether it's tackles

1835
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: or whether it's the offensive line or whatever it might be.

1836
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 1: And you know, I think we can take a lot

1837
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: of lessons from the Super Bowl. With New England and

1838
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: with Seattle has drafted and developed a lot of really

1839
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: good young players. They have also traded for some really

1840
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 1: good players like DeMarcus Lawrence, like Rashid Shahed. They've not

1841
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,800
Speaker 1: been afraid to be aggressive to supplement their roster with

1842
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: what they have or with with what they need. They

1843
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:22,799
Speaker 1: needed a deep threat, they go and get Rashid Shahed.

1844
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: Not only was he a defense a deep threat to

1845
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: their offense, he was also a significant role in their

1846
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 1: special teams. Took a punt return to took a kickoff

1847
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,559
Speaker 1: return to the house in the playoffs. Like that sort

1848
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 1: of stuff the Bengals have to be better at. I'm

1849
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: not saying they need to make a bunch of trades

1850
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 1: in season every single year. But I am saying that

1851
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: they have to do a better job of supplementing the

1852
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 1: little pieces, understanding where they are short, and fixing it

1853
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 1: right away. That has to be of the utmost importance

1854
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Bengals this offseason. I do

1855
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 1: want to finish up with one other thing about the Reds.

1856
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 1: There is a piece of audio that I didn't get

1857
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: to earlier in the show because we're gonna talk to

1858
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Joe Danoman from Fox nineteen after the news and he's

1859
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 1: about to head out to good Year and he's gonna

1860
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: be covering the Reds in spring training. We kind of

1861
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: talked about the you know, the Phil Castellini thing. We

1862
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 1: talked about the number two slot in the lineup, that

1863
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,679
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, those types of competitions we haven't used

1864
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 1: or we haven't talked about the number two spot in

1865
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: the lineup. That's the audio that I want to play.

1866
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 1: As I fumble through my notes here, I apologize one

1867
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 1: of the more interesting parts of this entire thing this

1868
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: offseason has been whether or not or who is going

1869
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 1: to be the guy to go to that number two

1870
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: spot in the lineup. We're gonna take a break, we'll

1871
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: come back, We'll play that audio. This is seven hundred

1872
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: WLW eighteen is going to join me and I wanted

1873
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 1: to play this one last piece of audio from our

1874
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: interview with Charlie Goldsmith this past Friday on ESPN fifteen

1875
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 1: thirty about one of those roster battles, sort of a

1876
01:41:17,200 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: roster battle, more of a lineup battle. Who's going to

1877
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 1: hit second in this Reds lineup? Take a listen to

1878
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: what Charlie had to say on Friday.

1879
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:26,919
Speaker 4: I talk with the terry.

1880
01:41:26,680 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 5: Friend ConA a lot about this this morning actually, and

1881
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 5: what he really stressed and where he's at is how

1882
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 5: these guys do versus left handed picking is going to

1883
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 5: be key because of how many times they fell. Teams

1884
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 5: just able to sleep walk through the cat and mouse

1885
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 5: game and just bring in the left hander at the

1886
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 5: top of the order when the Reds were coming up

1887
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,200
Speaker 5: with Freedo one in l E three day, really are

1888
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 5: good at value hitting lefties at that two spot. Now,

1889
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 5: Marque has been bad versus lefties. I don't organizationally, one

1890
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,800
Speaker 5: of the things that got the most attention during the

1891
01:41:57,800 --> 01:41:59,559
Speaker 5: off season with the plan and the work that market

1892
01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 5: has been doing to improve r lefties. We'll see where

1893
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 5: that goes spear hits lefties very well. My line of

1894
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 5: projection right now would have fear hitting second. Frank conbur

1895
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 5: reiterated today. Ideally, if it's all said and done, McLain,

1896
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,200
Speaker 5: do we think he is and he fits in perfectly there.

1897
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 5: One thing too, I asked, was why not Ellie? And

1898
01:42:21,439 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 5: because I kind of think that getting him those extract back,

1899
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 5: just getting your top guys at the top of the

1900
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,360
Speaker 5: order and let Ellie be more of a run score

1901
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,800
Speaker 5: as opposed to as the Bee more of an RBI guy.

1902
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 5: But the Keito said the left right stuff was what

1903
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 5: he was putting the most emphasis sports with a lot

1904
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 5: of construction.

1905
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,280
Speaker 1: Good stuff with Charlie, and it will be interesting to

1906
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: watch the spring training unfolds. I think Matt McLean could

1907
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: end up getting that spot. I'll talk about that and

1908
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:50,679
Speaker 1: more with Joe Daniman, who joins me as he gets

1909
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:53,320
Speaker 1: set to cover the Reds in Goodyear. That's next right

1910
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: here on seven hundred wlw W A no better way

1911
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: to finish out the show than talking to Joe, And

1912
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:04,839
Speaker 1: that would be our friend Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen

1913
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 1: joining us now on the precipice of heading out to

1914
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Speaker 1: Goodyear Arizona for Red Spring training. Joe, are you chomping

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Speaker 1: at the bit more about the baseball or more about

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Speaker 1: the weather in Arizona.

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Speaker 4: Definitely the baseball, because I don't know if you have

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Speaker 4: googled the weather for Arizona this week. No, I believe

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Speaker 4: there's a chance the temperatures might be higher in Cincinnati

1920
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Speaker 4: than they are in Goodyear Arizona. We're gonna be hovering

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Speaker 4: right around the mid sixties this week in Arizona, which

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Speaker 4: is a shock. It's typically high seventies, low eighties. Now,

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Speaker 4: if it's sunny, it'll feel a little bit warmer, and

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Speaker 4: it won't be wet, I hope, because we're in the desert.

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Speaker 4: But looking at the temperatures here in Cincinnati and the

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Speaker 4: ones in Arizona, I'm not as thrilled as I usually

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Speaker 4: am about the weather in Goodyear Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's good for those of us who are back

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Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati and watching your reports. Let me start

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Speaker 1: with this because I at times have felt like this

1931
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Speaker 1: is a bit of a boring team, and now au

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Speaker 1: Haineo Suarez makes them a little more interesting. Nathaniel Lowe

1933
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Speaker 1: makes them a little more interesting. But I'm curious what

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Speaker 1: you think as you're about to get off the plane

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Speaker 1: in Arizona and begin covering spring training. What is the

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Speaker 1: most interesting part of this Reds team to you?

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Speaker 4: Matt McClain will always be the most interesting part of

1938
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Speaker 4: this team until he if he returns to the should

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Speaker 4: be all star hitting form that we expect him to be,

1940
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Speaker 4: because listen, there are a lot of great stories on

1941
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Speaker 4: this team and a lot of guys that I think

1942
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Speaker 4: the Red need a big jump from in twenty twenty

1943
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Speaker 4: six if they want to jump from a wild card

1944
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Speaker 4: team to a National League Central winning team this coming season,

1945
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Speaker 4: and I think no one needs a bigger jump than

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Speaker 4: Matt McClain. If you would have talked two years ago,

1947
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,120
Speaker 4: three years ago about Matt mcle you would have said, Hey,

1948
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Speaker 4: this guy might be the best pure hitter in the organization.

1949
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Speaker 4: And now we're wondering if he's going to hit bottom

1950
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Speaker 4: three of the Red lineup come opening day. So he's

1951
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 4: got a huge spring ahead of him, of him proving

1952
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 4: that he deserves to be moved up in the Red lineup.

1953
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Speaker 4: There's that big hole at number two in the Red lineup,

1954
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Speaker 4: and for so long it felt like when he was

1955
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Speaker 4: on the come up that it was going to be

1956
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Speaker 4: perfect for him. Not only were he and Ellie going

1957
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Speaker 4: to be right by each other in the infield, they're

1958
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,519
Speaker 4: going to be right by each other in the lineup

1959
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Speaker 4: at two and three. But right now, I can't pencil

1960
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Speaker 4: him in at number two, certainly, not at this point,

1961
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Speaker 4: unless he has a big spring and proves he can

1962
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:42,880
Speaker 4: be that guy. So he remains the most interesting to

1963
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Speaker 4: me because right now I still feel like his ceiling

1964
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Speaker 4: is very high, but it feels like he's on the

1965
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Speaker 4: bottom floor, maybe the basement of what his floor should be,

1966
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Speaker 4: and he is so much higher to go. I'm just

1967
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Speaker 4: curious if he's going to get back there now a

1968
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Speaker 4: year of recovery from the show older surgery, to get

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Speaker 4: back to the Matt McClain we thought he could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good answer because because I agree, I mean,

1971
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Speaker 1: and you could tell that last year Terry Francona did

1972
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,800
Speaker 1: not want to give up on Matt McClain, and ultimately

1973
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Speaker 1: they never did, even though it just felt like he was,

1974
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of deep in the weeds there. But

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Speaker 1: you do bring in a guy like au Haaneo Suarez,

1976
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Speaker 1: who obviously brings power to the lineup, But what about

1977
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: what he brings off the field, Because you've been around

1978
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,880
Speaker 1: him when he was here previously, this is still a

1979
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Speaker 1: really young team. What do you think of the benefit

1980
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Speaker 1: of au Haaneo Suarez, not just on the field or

1981
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Speaker 1: at the plate, but off the field in the clubhouse

1982
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Speaker 1: as well.

1983
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you said the first word that matters power. I

1984
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Speaker 4: think the other p word that matters with au Helio

1985
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Speaker 4: Suarez is his presence and it's his presence in the

1986
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Speaker 4: lineup on the field, and I wonder if it can

1987
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 4: be a difference maker inside the Reds clubhouse because you know,

1988
01:46:54,200 --> 01:46:56,760
Speaker 4: people talk this week about the idea of bringing Nick

1989
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Speaker 4: Castianus back, and that's not going to happen. He's going

1990
01:46:59,400 --> 01:47:01,960
Speaker 4: to be in Sandy Yego this coming season. But the

1991
01:47:02,040 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 4: idea was that team. When Nick Castiano's came here, it

1992
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 4: felt like they needed that because the clubhouse needed a

1993
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Speaker 4: guy with an edge, with an attitude. It doesn't feel

1994
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Speaker 4: like this clubhouse needs that kind of person Uh. The

1995
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Speaker 4: core of this team is just different when it comes

1996
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Speaker 4: to personality, and I think ao Henio Suarez fits that personality.

1997
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Speaker 4: And you think back to young guys and some of

1998
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 4: the guys that really didn't play up to where they

1999
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 4: would want to play last year, And you started with

2000
01:47:31,479 --> 01:47:33,680
Speaker 4: Matt McClay, and I would even say a guy like

2001
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 4: La de la Cruz didn't play up to where he

2002
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 4: wanted to play in the second half of the season.

2003
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Speaker 4: And if you bring a guy in like ao Henio

2004
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Speaker 4: Suarez who has the back of the baseball card that

2005
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Speaker 4: can prove, uh, he's a legit Big leaguer, he is

2006
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Speaker 4: an all star level power kind of guy for this team.

2007
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Speaker 4: If he can bring a kind of presence in a

2008
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Speaker 4: calm and and a vibes, you know, the good ViBe's

2009
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 4: only trademark that he had. You know that that can

2010
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Speaker 4: take some of the edge off for some of these

2011
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Speaker 4: young guys. And I also think it's important too. You

2012
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,600
Speaker 4: think about so many of the Spanish speaking players that

2013
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:10,479
Speaker 4: are going to be so important to this team, and

2014
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Speaker 4: you start with with Ellie de Lacruz. Noelvie Marte is

2015
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Speaker 4: another guy like that. And you can bring a guy

2016
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Speaker 4: in that that's had success, that's played the game for

2017
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Speaker 4: a long time, that played seven years in Cincinnati, and

2018
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Speaker 4: maybe he's a connector for those guys as well. Now,

2019
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Speaker 4: Ellie as we'll do the interview with Ellie this week.

2020
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Speaker 4: He'll do it all in English, and his English has

2021
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 4: been great. But if you can meet him at that

2022
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 4: level the way a Hennio Suarez and two young guys

2023
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Speaker 4: like Ellie de la Cruz and Neelvi Marte at the

2024
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Speaker 4: end of the year you would hope would be two

2025
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Speaker 4: of their five best hitters. If he can be a

2026
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Speaker 4: connector for those guys, that kind of presence matters. So

2027
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Speaker 4: I think you make a great point. It's not just

2028
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Speaker 4: the power, it's not just the production, it's also the

2029
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Speaker 4: presence that a Suarez is going to have, I think

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Speaker 4: should help this team.

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Speaker 1: I do think one of the names you just mentioned there,

2032
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 1: Noelvi Marte, is a big part of what the Reds

2033
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Speaker 1: are wanting to do. And I think he's somebody that

2034
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,719
Speaker 1: would make sense putting him in that number two spot

2035
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Speaker 1: in the lineup. But he struggled against lefties and thinking

2036
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Speaker 1: back to last year, he struggled for the last month

2037
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Speaker 1: of the season, hit under two hundred, was benched for

2038
01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 1: one of the playoff games. How important is Noel v

2039
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: Marte to the success of the twenty twenty six Reds huge.

2040
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 4: And I think back to all the discussions that you

2041
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 4: and I have had and any Reds fan has had

2042
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,080
Speaker 4: about the idea of the Reds having to add that

2043
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 4: big power, right handed back for the outfield, and the

2044
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 4: whole time maybe was right under our face. It was

2045
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 4: in the organization. It was noelvi Marte, the guy that

2046
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 4: you can plug in the outfield now that he's had

2047
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 4: some time playing out there, a guy that has probably

2048
01:49:45,439 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 4: twenty five home run potential, and maybe he was the

2049
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,880
Speaker 4: missing piece that so many fans wanted. Now they went

2050
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,639
Speaker 4: out and got Auhadio Suarez and there's your power right

2051
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 4: handed bat, a guy that's hit more than forty home

2052
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,959
Speaker 4: runs multiple times in the big leagues. But noelvi Marte,

2053
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 4: to me, is right up there with Matt mcclan as

2054
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 4: one of the more interesting guys to watch during spring

2055
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:08,600
Speaker 4: training and see how he develops in those parts of

2056
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 4: his game, the margins of his game, Like you mentioned,

2057
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:14,160
Speaker 4: hitting left handers. And if you ask me right now,

2058
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 4: who would I put number two in the lineup, I

2059
01:50:16,280 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 4: would say Spencer Steer, But I wouldn't mind if Noel

2060
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,600
Speaker 4: vi Marte were to win that job, because if you

2061
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 4: think about it, if you go back to you know,

2062
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 4: just Little league baseball and the idea of slotting guys in,

2063
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 4: and you know it's this round peg, round hole. You

2064
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 4: put your best hitter three, you put your clean up

2065
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 4: hitter as your power guy for and so on and

2066
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:39,320
Speaker 4: so forth. But in modern baseball, I wouldn't my best

2067
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 4: hitters to have as many at bat and many chances

2068
01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,639
Speaker 4: as they can get. So the two hole is is important.

2069
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,640
Speaker 4: Not only for you know, breaking up Ellie de la

2070
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:52,559
Speaker 4: Cruz and TJ. Friedel on what teams did with their

2071
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 4: bullpens and their left handers and sometimes even started left

2072
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:58,240
Speaker 4: handers just to get through the first inning against this team.

2073
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:01,160
Speaker 4: But if you can find a guy that is one

2074
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 4: of your better hitters and give him an opportunity to

2075
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 4: have as many swings and in many at bats and

2076
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 4: as many chances as he can to do damage, that's

2077
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,120
Speaker 4: what I want from the two hitter. It's not a

2078
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 4: contact guy necessarily anymore. It's not just an on base

2079
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 4: guy to set the table. It's gonna be one of

2080
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 4: the guys that gets more at bats throughout a year

2081
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 4: than guys down at the bottom of the lineup, and

2082
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 4: when it comes down to a game or two, separating

2083
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,360
Speaker 4: you from making the playoffs or winning a division. I

2084
01:51:30,479 --> 01:51:34,360
Speaker 4: want my best hitters to get as many chances as possible.

2085
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 4: And the question is will that be Spencer Steer, will

2086
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:40,639
Speaker 4: it be Newelvie Marte, or will it be Matt McClain.

2087
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 4: We don't know. I think that's why Marte, along with McLain,

2088
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:46,719
Speaker 4: are two of the more interesting guys in spring training.

2089
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 1: Talking with Joe Daniman from Fox nineteen on his way

2090
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 1: about to be to Goodyear, Arizona to watch the Reds

2091
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,880
Speaker 1: and cover the Reds in spring training. They also made

2092
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 1: a move this week, Joe signing Nathaniel Low to a

2093
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 1: minor big deal with an invite to major league spring training.

2094
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:04,400
Speaker 1: This is a guy who's won a World Series, He's

2095
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,160
Speaker 1: won a Silver Slugger, He's won a Gold Glove Award.

2096
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 1: You couple that with the Suarez signing, with some of

2097
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,679
Speaker 1: the aggressive decisions in building the bullpen. Are we seeing

2098
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 1: a bit of a philosophical shift from the Reds? You

2099
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 1: think to be a little bit more aggressive because they

2100
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: feel like they have a team that can get back

2101
01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:22,560
Speaker 1: to the postseason.

2102
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 4: I sure hope so, and I hope they send a

2103
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 4: memo down the street to the Cincinnati Bengals about the

2104
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 4: idea of being aggressive and free agency in the offseason

2105
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 4: and the difference it can make to a team that

2106
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 4: has a ready made core and if you add in

2107
01:52:37,800 --> 01:52:40,559
Speaker 4: the margins or in this case Ayu honeya Soarez, if

2108
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,680
Speaker 4: you add the core all of a sudden, you can

2109
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:45,720
Speaker 4: make a big jump in expectation and really ignite your

2110
01:52:45,720 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 4: fan base. I think what's important about this Austin is

2111
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 4: the idea that that ownership has decided to go over budget,

2112
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,920
Speaker 4: and that's something we didn't expect from everything we heard

2113
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,920
Speaker 4: all the way through red Stats that this team was

2114
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 4: going to right around the same budget they had last season,

2115
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 4: but the addition of a Johannio Soarez showed a difference

2116
01:53:06,240 --> 01:53:08,840
Speaker 4: in that. And then adding on with Nathaniel Lowe, a

2117
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 4: guy that I think will probably make this team out

2118
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 4: of spring training and the guy that can help this

2119
01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 4: team is good. And now you have hard decisions to

2120
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 4: make at spring training with some of the other guys

2121
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 4: that you brought in this offseason, and then some of

2122
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:24,679
Speaker 4: the guys that are already on the team, like Will Benson.

2123
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 4: There's a lot of competition for these final spots on

2124
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 4: this roster, and that's excellent for this organization to put

2125
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Speaker 4: themselves in position where guys are competing and have a

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Speaker 4: chance to either make a roster or not make a roster.

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Speaker 4: And so I think the big thing is the aggression

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Speaker 4: is understanding there's a window, and we can talk another

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Speaker 4: day about the idea that twenty twenty seven in Major

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Speaker 4: League Baseball is very much up in the air and

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Speaker 4: the ELLE window becomes one year less if that's the case.

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Speaker 4: So I think you have to look at this as Okay,

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Speaker 4: we've got this very short window of Elie and Hunter

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Speaker 4: and all these pitchers in Matt McClain and Spencer Steer.

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Speaker 4: Let's take advantage of it the best way we can.

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Speaker 4: Let's ignite the fan base a little bit. Let's go

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Speaker 4: over budget and see if we can't try to hunt

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Speaker 4: down Milwaukee and Chicago and win this division. So I

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Speaker 4: think it shows I don't know if a philosophical change,

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Speaker 4: but at least for one year an organization that gets

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Speaker 4: it to a point that they had to add on

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Speaker 4: to what they already had if they want to make

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Speaker 4: the kind of jump they want in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned, do you think it's a good thing the

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Speaker 1: battles for the final spots on the roster. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it's also a good thing that the starting nine,

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Speaker 1: for the most part is pretty much set and everybody

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Speaker 1: knows what they're going to be doing and where they're

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Speaker 1: going to be at on just about every single day.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's an advantage too.

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Speaker 4: I've always believed in baseball that roles matter, that guys

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Speaker 4: are a lot more success successful and this probably goes

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Speaker 4: for all sports when they know what their role is

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Speaker 4: and what the expect is when they walk in the

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Speaker 4: building for work. Now at spring I think it's important

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Speaker 4: for these guys to have to compete and maybe not

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Speaker 4: know and certainly the majority of the Reds that we're

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Speaker 4: going to talk about and follow throughout the season, those

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Speaker 4: guys have their spots set and they're good to go.

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Speaker 4: But come regular season, and this trickles down to the

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Speaker 4: bullpen too. And I've always said, you know, the Reds

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Speaker 4: will know they're ready to compete for a division title

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Speaker 4: when you see them invest in their bullpen, and they

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Speaker 4: did that this offseason, and it kind of came with

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Speaker 4: an eye roll because everybody's like, Okay, great, the Reds

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Speaker 4: are going to rebuild the middle relief, and what are

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Speaker 4: they going to do with the lineup. Well, now that

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Speaker 4: you look at it and they've added au Henioswarez and

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Speaker 4: they've added other guys. Now you look back to what

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Speaker 4: they did at the very beginning of the off season

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Speaker 4: and bringing back Emilio Pagan and rebuilding their middle relief,

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Speaker 4: that matters. That's how you win division titles is winning

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Speaker 4: those games in July and August in the sixth, seventh,

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Speaker 4: eighth inning before you get to your closer with with

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Speaker 4: quality arms that can that help you win games. So

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Speaker 4: I think roles all over the team, not just in

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Speaker 4: the lineup, but in the bullpen make a difference for

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Speaker 4: this team. When these guys walk in the door, they

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Speaker 4: know what position they're playing, they know where they are

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Speaker 4: in the batting lineup, they know what's expected of them.

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Speaker 4: I think that helps. Now, there will be guys that

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Speaker 4: move around, that's just gonna that's just the way it's

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Speaker 4: going to be. You've got to have some utility guys,

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Speaker 4: and I think they've done a good job of sprinkling

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Speaker 4: in those guys on their roster and challenging some players

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Speaker 4: to play new positions so they can get their back

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Speaker 4: in the lineup or find ways to get them on

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Speaker 4: the field. But to your point, yeah, I think having

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Speaker 4: set roles for this team is good, and especially the

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Speaker 4: young players who have been in the in the organization

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Speaker 4: now for a long time and with the big league

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Speaker 4: club now for several years. And that's interesting too, Austin.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you know, the Eli's, McLean's the series. They're

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Speaker 4: not young guys anymore. It's time. This is their team.

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Speaker 4: It's been their team now. Now it's starting to hit

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Speaker 4: the groove of their peak. And when they find a

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Speaker 4: group of their peak of their career, all this might

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Speaker 4: come together and you have a team that takes a

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Speaker 4: jump this year.

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Speaker 1: I want to finish with an ownership question. This was

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Speaker 1: news earlier this week. It was announced by Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball and a report with the AP basically that the

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Speaker 1: owners approved that Phil Castellini will succeed Bob Castellini as

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Speaker 1: the owner and controlling owner of the Reds. What was

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Speaker 1: your reaction to that when you saw that this week?

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Speaker 4: My reaction is, this is what we've known, but the

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Speaker 4: fact that it was printed and confirmed was interesting. But

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Speaker 4: I think we all understood this was the natural progression

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Speaker 4: of what was going to happen. And I kind of

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Speaker 4: likened it to Mike Brown five or six years ago

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Speaker 4: when he said that, you know, Katie was still taking

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Speaker 4: over most of the day to day decisions, but he

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Speaker 4: was involved in some of the big decisions. And it

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Speaker 4: kind of feels that way that Nick Krawl said this

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Speaker 4: week that he still reports to both Phil and Bob

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Speaker 4: and I and I think Bob is still going to

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Speaker 4: be very much involved in some of the bigger decisions.

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Speaker 4: But this this felt natural. It felt like what was

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Speaker 4: going to be the the the endgame of the Castellinis

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Speaker 4: would be Bob at some point passing it down to Phil. Now,

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Speaker 4: what's different from the Bengals is, you know, this is

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Speaker 4: that's one hundred percent family owned Bengals by the Brown family.

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Speaker 4: This is not that with the Reds. It is that

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Speaker 4: they are the controlling of what fifty one percent ownerships.

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Speaker 4: So there could be some interesting decisions in the future

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Speaker 4: with with other families and other investors and other owners involved.

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Speaker 4: But to me, it feels like this is just kind

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Speaker 4: of a natural progression. What we expected wasn't surprising, and

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Speaker 4: I still think at this point Nick Krawl is going

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Speaker 4: to report to both Bob and Phil for any big

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Speaker 4: decisions they made. But you know, if this is now

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Speaker 4: public and one of the first public moves that we

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Speaker 4: can look back on after you know, Phil quote unquote

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Speaker 4: taking over the throne is a Uhanni Osuarez getting signed

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Speaker 4: and Nathaniel Lowe and a team going over budget. Maybe

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Speaker 4: that's a positive thing going forward for Red fans.

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Speaker 1: His name is Joe Daneman from Fox nineteen, getting set

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Speaker 1: to go out to good Year to cover the Red

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Speaker 1: spring training. What are you going to be working on?

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Speaker 1: What can people expect from you guys out there in Goodyear?

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Speaker 4: We will be working around the clock. Make sure you

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Speaker 4: follow us on social media, and then we'll be on

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Speaker 4: the air four five, six, ten, eleven, Monday, Tuesday Wednesday

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Speaker 4: New this Year Austin eight o'clock live streaming show on

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Speaker 4: Fox nineteen now streaming platforms will go eight to eight

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Speaker 4: thirty Jeremy Row and myself Monday and Tuesday, and then

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Speaker 4: the gold Standard Podcast with Charlie Goldsmith will be emanating

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Speaker 4: live from Arizona on Thursday night. Man busy week. Wish

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Speaker 4: it was going to be warmer, but it's baseball and

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Speaker 4: I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff Joe, Thanks for the time this afternoon, and

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Speaker 1: safe travels my friend.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Austin, talk to you soon, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Daniman Fox nineteen. He is the best And as I

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Speaker 1: told him off the air before we started talking, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's about to go fly out to Arizona. His

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Speaker 1: arms are going to be tired. All right, that's the joke.

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Speaker 1: I leave you with that. I'm sure many people have

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Speaker 1: already turned off their radios after hearing it. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening this afternoon. If you liked what you heard,

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