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Speaker 2: Well it's that time again. Little late, but better late

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Speaker 1: Time now for the obligatory Kevin Faulness Minnesota Wild mention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they split the road trip. They win in Toronto,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have all these injuries. You just I

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Speaker 3: the fanu'l hear that at seven o'clock. Kevin Faulness tendabe.

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Speaker 3: got you covered obviously with Luigi Absolutely, well, go basketball

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Speaker 3: the Wolves. I mentioned it yesterday it felt like in

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Speaker 2: They're still spending, but it's not even close. There's nobody

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Speaker 2: They've they've and they've I've said before, they've maximized what

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Speaker 4: There you have it.

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Speaker 2: Outstanding work on the top five at five will pause

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Speaker 4: I wish the.

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Speaker 4: I can't trust o Bona. Pat Kessler. Tear down the

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Speaker 2: Kessler and now to help Dan break down all the

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Speaker 4: Welcome back. I'm gonna give you, sir. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 2: Birthdays for today, which is my birthdays you now know

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Speaker 2: January twenty one.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna name you. You you rank these?

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Speaker 2: I don't know them, how to rank them? This is

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Speaker 2: how one website. I don't know that they did this

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Speaker 4: Today?

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Speaker 2: Gina Davis, the actress, Oh nice turns seventy. Charlotte Ross.

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Speaker 4: I don't know who that is? Do you know Charlotte Ross?

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Speaker 4: She turns fifty eight? Nope, not familiar, eh.

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Speaker 2: Singer Emma Bunton turns fifty, Emma, but Emma Bunton. Luke

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Speaker 2: Grimes turns forty two. You're not doing so well today? Well,

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Speaker 2: Opera singer Placido Domingo eighty five Today, Jill Iikenberry a

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Speaker 4: Do you remember in order? That's right?

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Speaker 2: What the hell was it called? Goes Back Borno? No, No,

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Speaker 2: And the music, the music, the soundtrack was done by

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Speaker 4: That's how ancient this.

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Speaker 2: Brees great song singer Cat Power Underrated voice fifty four,

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Speaker 2: Christian Dior. It's the movie one on one, one on one, thanks,

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Speaker 4: Very good movie. Ever saw it?

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Speaker 2: Telly Savalis Okay, all right, Benny Hill, that's that's.

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Speaker 4: Those are two sexy men. Jack Nicklas, he's eighty six today.

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Speaker 4: I think to the early ones.

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Speaker 4: Bring a cake. Yeah, I do. Charlotte Ross was on

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you another we have great listen. Another birthday

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Speaker 2: today my daughter Sophia. Happy birthday to Sophia birthday one

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Speaker 2: Emma Bunton is baby Spice from The Spice Girls.

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Speaker 4: Well you didn't know that. I did not know that.

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Speaker 2: decides can I pick up this name that you just dropped.

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Speaker 2: Jesse Ventura was at that party. Oh my god, that

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Speaker 4: It was, as I recall it, it was.

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Speaker 2: It was Jimmy Jams would have been his fortieth birthday

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Speaker 4: It was like a big birthday to them all. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: and thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: When you think of his you know, production work. Who

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Speaker 2: accent of course, Janet Jackson. I've told this story before.

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Speaker 2: She blows in for the party, and the deal was

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Speaker 4: She will wave from afar. You're not getting near her,

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Speaker 4: but don't look at her. Well, you were allowed.

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving and that is kind of what you do, Okay.

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Speaker 5: It's a great story and and god, those are good

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Speaker 4: which we appreciate very much. All right, Well, happy birthday,

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Speaker 4: Thank goodness, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Always reporter, but he has turned into over the last

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Speaker 4: So come on, people, people, you know you don't have

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Speaker 2: But in all I think I think he does is report, yes,

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Speaker 2: And what it is is if you report on what

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Speaker 5: exact time, then you didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: It all depends on It's all ridiculous. Box is being

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Speaker 2: exactly all right, let's get it. We got a lot

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Speaker 2: to try to cover today. Let's start with Limo. That's

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Speaker 2: what I used to affectionately call her. Michelle Tafoya cam

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Speaker 2: Van Alum. Yes, Channel four alum, right, wuldn't she?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 5: She was?

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Speaker 4: And also at w CCO appeared on her show for

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Speaker 4: a while, you did. That's true. She is officially or

446
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Speaker 4: is it an unofficial official.

447
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 5: Filed the papers with the Federal Elections Commission and Senate

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Speaker 5: for the United States Senate for the GOP nomination for

449
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Speaker 5: the United States Senate, and immediately, in my view, becomes

450
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Speaker 5: the front runner for many, many different reasons.

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Speaker 4: But she will be a lightning rod. And absolutely, certainly

452
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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 5: That Michelle Tafoya makes this a much much more interesting race.

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Speaker 4: You know, so it's she has. So if Vegas did odds,

455
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Speaker 4: where is she?

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Speaker 5: Is she first or second in as as among among

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Speaker 5: the Republicans, I would say, and I have no way

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Speaker 5: of knowing, but just my gut and looking at her

459
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Speaker 5: career and where the Republicans are now, I would say

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Speaker 5: this places her as a front runner from the Republican

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Speaker 5: Party in Minnesota for the GOP nomination.

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Speaker 4: Now, there may be two US Senate seats.

463
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Speaker 5: Certainly this is for Tina Smith's US Senate seat because

464
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Speaker 5: she is retiring. It's a rare open seat. That's a

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Speaker 5: big positive for Republicans. Tafoya has a pretty good name.

466
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Speaker 5: Id's actually what people know who she is. You know,

467
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Speaker 5: she was immediately endorsed by the National Republican Senate Campaign.

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Speaker 4: Where does Trump come in, Well, that's that's that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So the NRCC endorses her, which is really unusual

470
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Speaker 5: because there's four or five other candidates in Minnesota. I say, now,

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Speaker 5: you guys can just go. We're endorsing Michelle Tafoya. She

472
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Speaker 5: is a pro choice Republican.

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Speaker 4: Does that work? Think about that?

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Speaker 5: Well, she's going to get to the nomination. In terms

475
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Speaker 5: of the nomination, she's got a thread that needle. There's

476
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Speaker 5: a lot of nuance to her positions. She describes herself

477
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 5: as a pro choice conservative with libertarian values. So you know,

478
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Speaker 5: she's clear, she's outspoken. Those are all real positives for

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Speaker 5: the Republicans in Minnesota and from Michelle Tafoya. But and

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Speaker 5: you mentioned this, but she was a big fan of

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Speaker 5: your guy, Marco Rubio. She endorsed Marco Tabio for president.

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Speaker 5: You know, President Trump, as we know, we mentioned it

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Speaker 5: again today. They don't he doesn't forget this kind.

484
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Speaker 4: He will not forget that. No, never, never will.

485
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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty four, this last year, she urged President

486
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Speaker 5: Trump to not run, right, don't run for real life,

487
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Speaker 5: do not run. Isn't that the sort of thing he remembers,

488
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Speaker 5: he remembers that stuff, you know, and and something that

489
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Speaker 5: is positive for her because she has we kind of

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Speaker 5: know her aggressive, very clear statements on policy and all

491
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Speaker 5: of that. She has had a podcast for several years now,

492
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Speaker 5: and so there's hundreds of podcasts that she's done. There

493
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Speaker 5: is a treasure trove of information. I think that the

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Speaker 5: Democrats will start to extract right and use against her.

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Speaker 5: And we're starting to see it already because multiple times

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Speaker 5: the Democrats are pointing out she threatened and promised and

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Speaker 5: said she.

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Speaker 4: Was moving out of Minnesota, so you know that, I

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Speaker 4: think they're going to use that.

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Speaker 5: But there is one that's a little more serious that

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Speaker 5: the Democrats have trotted out already today.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And this one is that this is what it is.

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Speaker 5: She retweeted conspiracy theory. And I don't know what you

504
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Speaker 5: say when somebody retweets on X.

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Speaker 4: Is that promoting? Is that endorsing? Is that prodorsing? Is

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Speaker 4: that giving it more oxygen?

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Speaker 5: That John Hoffman, the state senator, was shot and Melissa

508
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Speaker 5: Hortman murdered because they voted against immigrant health care in Minnesota,

509
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Speaker 5: and that is something the Democrats were saying that she

510
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Speaker 5: put it out there and that is really deplorable. Well,

511
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Speaker 5: she'll have to have that conspiracy theory, col C, she nimbles.

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Speaker 5: She Well, let me ask you a follow up Trump question.

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Speaker 2: One of the theories I've heard advanced today is that,

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Speaker 2: knowing still how powerful his Republicans, they still quake in

515
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Speaker 2: their boots around him.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that.

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Speaker 2: Implicitly she must already know that, at the very least,

518
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Speaker 2: he's not gonna stand in her way. Do you buy

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Speaker 2: that theory if she goes public and says, I'm declaring

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Speaker 2: I'm going for it, or do you think she's perfectly

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Speaker 2: willing to run the risk that he's going to say

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Speaker 2: she's not the candidate because I remember what she said about.

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Speaker 4: Me, well, a couple of things about that.

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Speaker 5: I think that she is going forward, perhaps with some

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Speaker 5: assurances that he won't stand in her way, but she

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Speaker 5: would do it anyway. I mean, I think I know

527
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Speaker 5: her pretty well and I think you do too, that

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Speaker 5: she is a very strong woman, someone who is very

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Speaker 5: clearly states what she believes and is going forward and

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Speaker 5: isn't afraid to do it.

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Speaker 4: So will it come back to bite her?

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Speaker 5: You know?

533
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Speaker 4: Possibly?

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Speaker 5: You know, absolutely, her big struggle is going to be

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Speaker 5: getting through the Minnesota Republican MAGA delegates at the state

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Speaker 5: reparty convention.

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Speaker 4: Will she get the endorsement? I think it's real possible

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Speaker 4: she won't because.

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Speaker 5: Your guy, Royce White, the former NBA basketball player, is

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Speaker 5: running for this seat as well, and he is MAGA

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Speaker 5: through and through in the same way that Mike Lindells.

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Speaker 5: I mean, these guys are real, true believers, and I

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Speaker 5: don't see although she's absolutely a believer, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't see her as this far right wing mega type.

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00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: A texture suggests that she should be running for governor

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00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: rather than us.

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Speaker 4: She's a lot of talk about that. What does that mean?

548
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: Explain that to me.

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Speaker 5: I have actually talked to former governors and high level

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Speaker 5: right Republican officials in the state who say that they

551
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 5: had discussed this with her or people around her, because

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Speaker 5: that might have been.

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Speaker 4: A way for her to concentrate on the state.

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00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: Many of the policies she says that she has promoted

555
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Speaker 5: in her campaign launch video are state issues. The you know, fraud,

556
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 5: ilhan Omar and Somali's all of that stuff. Deportations, So yeah,

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00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 5: I mean that could have been but we still don't

558
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Speaker 5: have a democratic candidate for governor now that Waltz has

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Speaker 5: dropped out, and that could very well be Amy Klobashar, when.

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Speaker 4: Are we going to know it? It's got to be soon.

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Speaker 4: It has to be that. Yeah, they've got they're going

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Speaker 4: to start the h in the caucuses. Isn't it like yeah,

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Speaker 4: in a month? Okay? And or less or less? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And uh and so yeah.

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Speaker 5: So if Amy klobs from the jump in, she's usually

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Speaker 5: very deliberate and very cautious.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so what if she says, you know what, not

568
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Speaker 4: going to do it? It's not too late for anybody

569
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Speaker 4: to switch parties, but or switch switch. But I think

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a good fit for the cultivoid.

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Speaker 2: I think you've answered it to I think if the

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Speaker 2: working assumption is still that that Clobhar is going to

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Speaker 2: jump in, that's going to be I'm in the group

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Speaker 2: that believes it's almost impossible to beat her. Who you're

575
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Speaker 2: gonna be then if you're back to if they if

576
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: the goal is to win, then and I'm saying, okay,

577
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Speaker 2: well I have a better chance to steal. I'm gonna

578
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go, you know what, I think I'm gonna

579
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: go for the US Senate rather than uh competing against

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Speaker 2: that in.

581
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Speaker 4: The state before.

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Speaker 5: There were two very ambitious politicians twenty five years ago

583
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 5: running for the United States Senate. Yes, and Dick Cheney

584
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 5: came in here and had a talking to to both

585
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 5: of them. Tim Plendy drops out of the Senate race,

586
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: runs for governor, and the rest is hysteria.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so I'll never forget that. Yeah, reality

588
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 4: I tried to reality check it. Did you try it?

589
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 4: Did you try to put measure around I? Did? You

590
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: would have none of it? That seems true there. That

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00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: seems like as a human resources violently back in the day,

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Speaker 4: you could do that. You know, we didn't have me

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Speaker 4: to back they didn't.

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00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: You know, so Shark could jump in and we still

595
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: expect you know, we don't know what to expect. But

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00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: the all indications are goal that she yes, she's leaning

597
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: very heavily to that. But there are some I would

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Speaker 5: not rule off the Republicans because they have a pretty

599
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 5: good field of candidates on the Republican side. So Amy

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Speaker 5: klobishar always the eight hundred pound guerilla in the state,

601
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: the record setting vote getter in this state. But anything

602
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: can happen that Kendall Qualls, Chris Maddele, You've got Linda Damoth.

603
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 5: I can't think of all of them off. Michael Lindell.

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00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: There's a lot of very interesting candidates on the Republican side,

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00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 5: So you know, I would not write any of them

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Speaker 5: off yet, but Amy Klobshar would be problematic.

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Speaker 2: So as I understand it, I think this is now official.

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Speaker 2: The vice president is visiting Minnesota tomorrow. Oh great, that'll

609
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Speaker 2: campaigns down. You know, the way it's been described as

610
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: is going to meet with leaders and then there's going

611
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Speaker 2: to be kind of an all, you know, come on,

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Speaker 2: come all, sort of free for all. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: assume that it's not going to be a free for

614
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: all or come on, come on, come all. So do

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00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: we know what are the what the parameters are going

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Speaker 2: to be in terms of who he's speaking in front

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Speaker 2: of and who he's going to be taking questions from

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Speaker 2: in the quote community?

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Speaker 5: I am. I am no longer on the Secret Service

620
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Speaker 5: list for Trump the Trump administration, so I have not

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Speaker 5: received any background information and right now I don't believe

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Speaker 5: that many reporters have. That's pretty That's very unusual when

623
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Speaker 5: the president vice president come into the state. We usually

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Speaker 5: have some idea of where it is, what time it is,

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Speaker 5: who you're going to speak to, are you going to

626
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Speaker 5: have a round table, who's going to be there. We

627
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Speaker 5: usually know all that, so in my view, and I

628
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 5: haven't looked in the last hour or so, but it's

629
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Speaker 5: it's really unusual for us not to know that. In

630
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Speaker 5: the midst of all of this, it's you know, why

631
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Speaker 5: is he coming? That is my bottom line question. Very

632
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 5: unsettling times here pouring gasoline on the fire with more rhetoric,

633
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 5: whatever he's going to do, doubling down after the killing

634
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Speaker 5: of a protester here. I mean, is this going to

635
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Speaker 5: calm things down? Is that the purpose of this or

636
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 5: is the purpose of this to inflame? I'm just asking,

637
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Speaker 5: It's all I'm doing.

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: I got into this heavily with lou Or Goose early

639
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 2: in the program. We had a very unusual presser yesterday

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00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 2: involving some Minnesota police chiefs claiming alleging that in this case,

641
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: ICE is violating the civil rights and racially profiling what

642
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: turns out to be cops who are happen to be

643
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Speaker 2: off duty. The one anecdote I'd seen via the video

644
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: is an off duty I think it was a woman,

645
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 2: an off duty cop, gets pulled over and then eventually

646
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: she tries to start recording them the camera, the phone

647
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: gets knocked away, and then they leave. Not the pushback

648
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Speaker 2: I got earlier when I talked with lou about it

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Speaker 2: was well, do we I mean, okay, that's what they're

650
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Speaker 2: alleging in this town when cops alleged stuff. We used

651
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: to be very suspicious of when cops alleged stuff. So

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Speaker 2: why why are we required now to take this at

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Speaker 2: face value? Might come back to that would be you

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Speaker 2: don't you don't have to. It would be it would

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Speaker 2: seem counterintuitive to me that law enforcement as a group

656
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Speaker 2: would feel, well, we have so many examples of this.

657
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Speaker 2: We've all had this common experience that has been told

658
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Speaker 2: to us by individuals who.

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Speaker 4: Work for us.

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Speaker 2: We feel like we needed as uncomfortable as the main

661
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Speaker 2: guy was yesterday in the presserre that we need to

662
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Speaker 2: come forward to make the point that if this is

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Speaker 2: happening to in this case individuals who are in law enforcement,

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Speaker 2: what the hell does this tell us about what we

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Speaker 2: believe is going on When they're not law enforcement. It

666
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Speaker 2: shouldn't matter whether they work for the police or not.

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Speaker 2: So what do you say to those to say, well,

668
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Speaker 2: give me, give me more, let me find, let's get

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Speaker 2: let's do the follow up reporting to be sure that

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Speaker 2: what is being alleged is accurate.

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Speaker 5: There there are many, many, many instances reports to police

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Speaker 5: of possible constitutional violations. It's happening everywhere. The city is

673
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Speaker 5: under siege with this kind of these kind of reportings.

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Speaker 5: I want to be very clear. The Minnesota police chiefs

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Speaker 5: who held a press conference yesterday with other officers there

676
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 5: are saying that ICE is violating civil rights in the

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Speaker 5: Twin Cities, racially profiling Minnesotans before detaining them, and they

678
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Speaker 5: are causing chaos and fear. They don't say that kind

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Speaker 5: of thing without having evidence, and it's very powerful to

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Speaker 5: see them saying it. Now, we have breaking news late

681
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 5: this afternoon where a court has lifted the incubon against

682
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 5: ICE said when they there was a temporary injunction to

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Speaker 5: stop them from bare spray the acts and pepper bullets

684
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 5: and pulling people out of cars. Well, if I understand

685
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: this correctly, that junkson has lifted, so now you can

686
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Speaker 5: do it again. So let's see where this goes over

687
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Speaker 5: the next couple of days. But what I want to

688
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Speaker 5: say is that the police officers that I talked to

689
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Speaker 5: and Dan, I talked to many, many, many police officers.

690
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 5: I work with police officers. I've done it for years,

691
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Speaker 5: talking to them in classes about ethics, about civil rights,

692
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 5: about the media, all of this kind of thing. And

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Speaker 5: many of them, the ones that I've been speaking to,

694
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Speaker 5: they're horrified by what's happening. You think about what's happening

695
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Speaker 5: here in Minnesota. We're a small town in Minneapolis of

696
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: what four hundred and fifty thousand people, and we have

697
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Speaker 5: six hundred officers and three thousand and growing and growing

698
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Speaker 5: ice officers. This is not Chicago, where there's five million

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Speaker 5: people and a thousand officers. This is something completely different.

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Speaker 4: Here, and the cops know it.

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Speaker 2: Let me give you an example of where it's it's

702
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Speaker 2: probably a battle not worth fighting, but we just got

703
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Speaker 2: this text. You're so biased. Why it's so hard for

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Speaker 2: you and Kessler to see that the federal government is

705
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Speaker 2: following federal law. If I remember, it is unlawful to

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Speaker 2: sneak into this country.

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Speaker 4: Now we can argue about.

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Speaker 2: The parameters with criminal civil exactly, but what does that

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Speaker 2: have to do with what was being alleged by these

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Speaker 2: police chiefs yesterday. Zero nothing, there's nothing targeted about that.

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Speaker 2: That's a you know what I heard with accent? Well,

712
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Speaker 2: that's I don't even want to get into that. Let's

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Speaker 2: see how many videos have we seen. I saw one

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Speaker 2: in particular that just it was. It was stunning where

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Speaker 2: a man speaking with what might be a Mexican or

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Speaker 2: Spanish accent, okay, is under siege and he says, finally

717
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Speaker 2: to the ice officer, why are you stopping me? And

718
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Speaker 2: he says it because of the way you're speaking the accent.

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Speaker 4: I pick up.

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Speaker 2: And here's the irony the individual saying that as the

721
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Speaker 2: the the the alleged victim here suggests also had the

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Speaker 2: same accent and even said, wait a minute, why are

723
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Speaker 2: we not checking your assets?

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Speaker 4: Are your papers? You sound exactly like I do, which

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Speaker 4: I don't want to go to.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a good question that the listener is

727
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Speaker 5: texting us, but it is so beside the point what

728
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Speaker 5: we're talking about here. Yes, if you come into the

729
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 5: United States illegally, that is a civil penalty crime, absolutely,

730
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Speaker 5: and you should be rounded.

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Speaker 4: Up if you will, if or not rounded up. I

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Speaker 4: shouldn't say it that way.

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Speaker 5: You should be cited for that and go through the

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Speaker 5: procedings and process, go through the process.

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Speaker 4: If you are a.

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Speaker 5: Criminal of violent, criminal, rape, murder, whatever, absolutely get rid

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Speaker 5: of them. This is what President Obama did and and

738
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Speaker 5: uh and deported three million people very quietly. What we

739
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Speaker 5: have here in Minnesota is an extraordinary escalation of chaos

740
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Speaker 5: and fear with masked, heavily armed, no identification, unmarked vehicles,

741
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Speaker 5: no warrants, no lawyers.

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Speaker 2: And there is no other place in the process in

743
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Speaker 2: America where there's this concentration of agents. Nowhere, no, and

744
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Speaker 2: this is a record, especially when you factor in no

745
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Speaker 2: apathy state.

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Speaker 4: Detainees are disappeared. We don't know where they went.

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that this is different, and I

748
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Speaker 2: take seriously, there's no precision.

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Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a question that that people are asking.

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Speaker 5: I know, but that's why that you know, I'm I'm

751
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Speaker 5: all of all of the writings back in the day

752
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Speaker 5: who said, don't you know carrying the flat don't tread

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Speaker 5: on me. They're treading on you. They're treading.

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Speaker 4: It's the great irony.

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Speaker 2: And this is another text we get a lot of

756
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Speaker 2: about the number of illegals who have committed crimes, who

757
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Speaker 2: have been taken off the street. There's nothing. I've set

758
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Speaker 2: it for months, certainly weeks, maybe months. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's many people. There's some, there's there's there's the abolish

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Speaker 2: ice idiots who I have no time for, no respect for.

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Speaker 2: By the way, politically, it's a loser proposition on that road.

762
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Speaker 2: But there's never been any question for me of those

763
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Speaker 2: who've committed crimes being taken off the street. The question

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Speaker 2: is how what is the percentage? We know what we're told,

765
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Speaker 2: But the net that has been cast is all about

766
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Speaker 2: the directive from stee from Steve Van Miller, Stephen Miller,

767
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Speaker 2: Steve man Miller saying what we want to get was

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Speaker 2: it three thousand a day per day, And once that

769
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Speaker 2: was parameter was established, it was, hey, we'll worry about

770
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Speaker 2: it later. You know, we're probably gonna make some mistakes

771
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Speaker 2: and sweep some people up.

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Speaker 4: But we got to get we got to make the quota.

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Speaker 2: And that's to me, if you go back to the beginning,

774
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Speaker 2: that's the start that has contributed to why we're in

775
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Speaker 2: the madness we're in.

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Speaker 4: I need to break top of the our break.

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Speaker 2: I want to also get to another story that's on

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Speaker 2: your list having to do with the demonstrations at the church.

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Speaker 4: Was that in Saint Paul.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to that as well, strategically in

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Speaker 2: other ways. So there's a lot more ground to cover

782
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Speaker 4: The President is in? Is it Davos? The economics? Is that?

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Speaker 4: The economic forum?

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Speaker 1: It is?

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Speaker 2: You want to talk about Pash and Tony? I mean,

794
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Speaker 2: you want to talk about beautiful people. That's the place

795
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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. Unbelieved. Now you've been to Switzerland.

796
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Speaker 2: I never have, haven't you? I thought, that's what I thought.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've been to Davos.

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Speaker 2: But he speaks, and the headline it was like an

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Speaker 2: hour and ten all over the map, like often the

800
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Speaker 2: case with him. But the headline was He's now saying

801
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get what we want or I'm gonna get

802
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Speaker 2: what I want on Greenland, but we are not going

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Speaker 2: to invade.

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Speaker 4: Is that correct? Yeah, And my head is spinning here.

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Speaker 5: I mean the speech today in an hour and ten

806
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Speaker 5: minutes that was alternately insulting, bombastic, rambling, really kind of

807
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Speaker 5: a kind of an unsettling speech for president of the

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Speaker 5: United States, saying that he would not use violence or

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Speaker 5: military force to take over Greenland, something he has been

810
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Speaker 5: specifically threatening for several weeks now for what reason nobody

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Speaker 5: can quite figure out. But late this afternoon, the president

812
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Speaker 5: says and the administration says that they have reached a

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Speaker 5: frame work of a deal, and so suddenly he is

814
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Speaker 5: going to drop all of the tariffs that he threatened

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Speaker 5: to put on just a few days ago, so once

816
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: again walking it back. So there are no tariffs on

817
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Speaker 5: Europe now that he was going to put on in

818
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Speaker 5: just a few days. And there is some sort of

819
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Speaker 5: a framework. Now we don't know what it is, but

820
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Speaker 5: Denmark and Greenland have said to the United States that

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Speaker 5: you can have military basis whatever you want, you have

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Speaker 5: some more, you can have mineral rights, you can't have

823
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Speaker 5: ownership but as I'm seeing some of the details pouring

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Speaker 5: out right now, the New York Times is reporting that

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Speaker 5: there will be some sort of negotiation in which the

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Speaker 5: United States will have sovereignty over very small pockets of

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Speaker 5: greenlandic land where the United States could build military bases.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we already have that.

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Speaker 5: But this is one of the things that everybody needed

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Speaker 5: an off ramp, because we are about to see the

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Speaker 5: disintegration of NATO and all of the security guarantees which

832
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 5: served us pretty well for a long time since your yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean so anyway, so another crisis averted. But the

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Speaker 5: question I have is why did we have to go

835
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Speaker 5: through this?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I nah, you know.

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Speaker 5: And then meanwhile, while he is in giving his speech,

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Speaker 5: by the way, and then a press conference in Davos, Switzerland,

839
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Speaker 5: Minnesota is living rent free in his mind, correct, And

840
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 5: he's talking again in Switzerland to NATO and the economic

841
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 5: summits that and by the way, he did not people,

842
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 5: he did not win three elections, he lost all three.

843
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Speaker 5: But he's talking about the Somali fraud to all of

844
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Speaker 5: the people in his speech in Davos, and about hey,

845
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Speaker 5: they those Somalis may be smarter than we thought, you know,

846
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Speaker 5: that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: He said that.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know, Dan, it's it's discouraging in some ways.

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Speaker 5: So so yeah, so crisis averted. Let's talk move on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the the demonstration that took place.

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Speaker 2: It was I don't remember the name of the church

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Speaker 2: fits on Summit Avenue and Snelling in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: It is a it is a more evangelical Baptist type church,

854
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: and ICE anti ICE protesters broke in during Sunday service. Now,

855
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: a couple of people were notified and got notice of

856
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: this ahead of time, like your guy Don Lemon, who

857
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: went in there. Now, I don't know what you think

858
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Speaker 2: about it. You and I have not talked about this, right,

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00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: I find it really troubling. I find it very troubling.

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Speaker 2: First of all, let's talk about why the protesters went in.

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Speaker 2: They say it is because one of the pastors of

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Speaker 2: the church serves as the acting director.

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Speaker 5: He's a pastor of the church, but also the acting

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Speaker 5: director of the US and ICE Enforcement Field Office in

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Speaker 5: Saint Paul, Minnesota. My question, I mean, I go to church,

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Speaker 5: you know, every Christmas every few years, you know, you

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Speaker 5: know how does that work? How does the pastor of

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Speaker 5: a church also be head of an ice office. I

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00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 5: still haven't heard a really good explanation about that. If true,

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Speaker 5: I love, I'd love for our listeners, if you know,

871
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Speaker 5: tell them, well, no.

872
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 4: I would say, I don't know. But why can't he

873
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 4: what would what would be full time? That's our church?

874
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 4: I mean, why do you know? Why is it not

875
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 4: a full time job?

876
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

877
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know that it isn't, but I

878
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: don't know that it is. And it sounds like he's

879
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: not one of the main passwords. I don't know. Well,

880
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 4: I'll ask you this.

881
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: Let's there should be more reporting on it, and there

882
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 2: hasn't been. Let's where's that script? Right?

883
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 5: Let's say he is, uh, the head of the ice

884
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 5: office in Saint Paul, Minnesota. What does a man of

885
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 5: God do when you you have ice agents breaking down doors,

886
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 5: pulling pregnant women out of cars, stopping people because of

887
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: the way they look? How does that comport with what

888
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 5: Jesus taught us?

889
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: Well, that's the question. It's the question.

890
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 5: That's why they went in. I totally disagree with them

891
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 5: going in to a house of worship should never have

892
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 5: happened in my view, in my humble opinion, Well, that's

893
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 5: my problem.

894
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think it matters how he balances it.

895
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: I don't.

896
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: I honestly don't. I don't think that's I don't know.

897
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: I need to know a lot more about what he does,

898
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: don't we Well that that would be ask the reporters

899
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: that I don't know that we've we've had enough vetting

900
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 2: on that beyond there, I would say for me, strategically,

901
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 2: it's you lose the high ground when in this case

902
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 2: you end up maybe even scaring individuals who are there

903
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: to worship, who know who may or may not know

904
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: what he does or what else he could do.

905
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 4: I don't like to look at all.

906
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: I think strategically it's stupid because I think you have

907
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,479
Speaker 2: the high ground, but when you go down that particular road,

908
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 2: I think you lose some of that. In fact, one

909
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: of the principles in it I saw in an interview

910
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 2: on News Nation and they just asked the question, an

911
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: absolutely fair question, is this a step too far in

912
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: in in voicing your frustrations and your problems with what

913
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: the approach that Ice has taken, And the answer that

914
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: the individual came back was you're not going to gaslight

915
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: me on this.

916
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: That's not the question.

917
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: The question is why Ice is involved in the tactics

918
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: that they are the problem for me.

919
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 4: What that answer is.

920
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: Media every day, every day asks that question a million times,

921
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: on nine, on eleven, on four, start tributeing. So the

922
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 2: notion that you're not spending enough time examining how over

923
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: the line the tactics are that's being discussed and reported

924
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: every day, that's ridiculous. You can still be an answered.

925
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: You got to have a better answer to the question.

926
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: Then I'm not gonna I'm not going to let you

927
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: take it this way. That's gas lighting. It's not gaslighting.

928
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: It's a perfectly legitimate question. By the way, you can

929
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: also think that it is proper to go in there.

930
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: We can debate that question, but the idea that there

931
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: was something unfair or insulting about the question is nonsense.

932
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 5: We'll talk about this many, many days in the coming months.

933
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: But this story in Minnesota with Ice and all of

934
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 5: the chaos and the killings and the beatings, that has

935
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 5: captured the imaginations of the globe. More people are aware

936
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 5: of this than almost any other story in America. So

937
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: that's not a good excuse to me. A sanctuary of

938
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 5: a church is a sanctuary be from the Middle Ages,

939
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 5: back in the day when in the Middle Ages where

940
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 5: if you were running away from authorities, you could go

941
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 5: into a church and stand there in the sanctuary and

942
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 5: they were not permitted to come near you.

943
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 4: That's the idea of sanctuary.

944
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 5: We still have refugees in Minnesota go to some of

945
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 5: the great churches here in sanctuary and live there, and

946
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 5: the authorities don't get them politically, strategically, you know they

947
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 5: I think the protesters in general here have had have

948
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 5: have been kind of winning the pr battle. I can

949
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 5: say that, and I think this was a real step back.

950
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 5: I again, it's not you can protest outside, can you can?

951
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 5: You can do it a lot of different way and

952
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 5: I and I can.

953
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: It's still debated, but I think strategically it's it's a

954
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: it's a big mistake.

955
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 4: And on what I need to know more about. Okay, well,

956
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 4: what exactly is his job? Is he has any have.

957
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: Any reporters had a chance to try to talk to

958
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: him and give him a chance to quote unquote explain himself.

959
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 4: I don't have any of that, even though yeah, they

960
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 4: won't let anybody near him in ice right.

961
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 5: And as a matter of fact, the officials in the

962
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 5: Justice Department and DHS are saying, don't say his name,

963
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 5: do not say his name.

964
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 4: His name's already out correct, I know it is, of course. Yeah,

965
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 4: thank you for not saying I say, we're going to

966
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 4: dox it. You know that kind of thing.

967
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's all silly everywhere. All right, we got

968
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: we're late, we got to go. All right, thanks for

969
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're well. I'm glad you're better. Who's seemed

970
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: better man? Yeah, it's tough, Yeah, it's it's it's a

971
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: very tough stretch across the board.

972
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 4: We'll talk next week, yes, sir, thank you.

973
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: Pat Kesler five six and ten o'clock, we'll come back

974
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 2: to wrap up a very controversial show.

975
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 4: Now it's the Bumper to Bumper Show Rap. It's brought

976
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 4: to you by American Pressure.

977
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: All right, it is that time to get it. I

978
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: want to thank several outstanding guests today. Kevin Seffert in

979
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: studio between three point thirty and four thirty. Loure Goose

980
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 2: joined between three fifteen and three thirty as well, who's

981
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: been covering a lot of these stories that we touched

982
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: on with Kessler in the field. Kessler joined at five

983
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 2: point thirty, and as often the case, we had some

984
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: people who were delighted and some people who were incensed,

985
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: which is sort of the nature of where we're at.

986
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: And so the decision every day is do we just

987
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: avoid stuff, knowing there's a chance we're going to alienate

988
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: fifty percent or thereabouts of the audience. I gotta do

989
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: what I gotta do, and hopefully you hang for the ride.

990
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: If you have to make other decisions, godspeed and that too.

991
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: It is the great thing about America. You can make

992
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 2: any decision you want.

993
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 4: What I will.

994
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: Categorically reject, and I will never pretend is that if

995
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: you come to me today, as one Texter did, and say,

996
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, I don't turn to Cafe in to listen

997
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 2: to politics, and I've been listening to you for twenty years,

998
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 2: I'm left with a bit of puzzlement on my face,

999
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: because if you, in fact have listened to this show

1000
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: for twenty years, you cannot possibly be surprised that we talk,

1001
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: among other things, politics. You may disagree, and you may say,

1002
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 2: and this is where I think I wish people would

1003
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 2: be more, be forthright. What often you're telling me isn't

1004
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: that you're annoyed with the political discussion. Is that you

1005
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: don't agree with what the host has to say. That's

1006
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 2: fair game. It always has been fair game. It's something

1007
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 2: that has been part of the story here forever and ever.

1008
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 2: But you cannot possibly have listened to this show for

1009
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: twenty years and come away going, oh god, I thought, well,

1010
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: I thought this was a sports station. That's the part

1011
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: that is just it's utter nonsense. It's just a disconnect.

1012
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: So we'll have to agree to disagree. If you pretend

1013
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: you've been listening for that long and somehow you're gobsmacked

1014
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 2: that with the day you turned it on you didn't

1015
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: like it.

1016
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 4: What's problem?

1017
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: Breakingnews dot com Tom Vikings have signed defensive coordinator blind

1018
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: Brian Flora. It's to new contracte Flores is still a

1019
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 3: candidate with Steelers and Ravens head coaching jobs.

1020
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: He doesn't land one of those who'll stay in Minnesota.

1021
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 4: That's good news, that's really good news.

1022
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 2: And it's contrary to what I was beginning to wonder because,

1023
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: as we pointed out with Seaffert, he at Sefert reminded

1024
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 2: us he'd already interviewed for the defensive coordinator job in Washington.

1025
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: And you assume that if you open that door, right,

1026
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: if you open that door at all, that must mean

1027
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 2: you're willing to go someplace else. But maybe that was

1028
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 2: part of the negotiating tactics. Maybe he got an extra

1029
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: million dollars. Who knows, but the Vikings at least can

1030
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: say we have done everything in our power to protect

1031
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: ourselves to keep him here as a coordinator if he

1032
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: does not get one of the head coaching jobs. And

1033
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: now they have to, I guess selfishly hope and pray

1034
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: that he doesn't get it. I'm sure they would say,

1035
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: we're not going to do that. We want him to

1036
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: have the best opportunity. But I'm glad you interrupted me

1037
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: for that news. That is massive and very very important

1038
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 2: news as well. Thanks for watching today, Thank you indeed

1039
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: for listening. Tomorrow is what Thursday I think guards you

1040
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 2: is back Tomorrow we're at the Cage Target Center, will

1041
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: be doing our show from a Wolves location with several

1042
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 2: outstanding guests as well.

1043
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: And now what's coming up next? Phantom the Man in

1044
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 4: the Air.

1045
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 3: Phantom demands a Mason your face into Wild Weekly.

1046
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Well, even better, sounds like a heck of a night.

1047
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you tomorrow during the cold Nami, beginning

1048
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: at three