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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cracking this morning, a presentation of the Crack

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Speaker 2: Bit of a late morning drop here for you as

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Speaker 2: we get set for the second game of back to

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Speaker 2: back end the Crack and looking to keep a great

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Speaker 2: run going even further and five zero to one in

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Speaker 2: the last six games and waking up this morning in

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Speaker 2: a wildcard spot in the Western Conference. Welcome to Cracking

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Speaker 2: this morning, on a Friday, January second, with the Cracking

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Speaker 2: taken on the Vancouver Canucks for the second time this

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Speaker 2: week and in the second matchup of this regular season,

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Speaker 2: later start time than usual tonight, puck drops little past

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Speaker 2: seven thirty pm at Rogers Arena in Vancouver. Ever it

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Speaker 2: fits you, Al Koniski on the call, I'll join you

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock back at Network Central for all the action

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Speaker 2: art course on ninety three three KJARFM and the Global

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Speaker 2: Credit Union Craken Audio Network. We will hear from Matty

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Speaker 2: in his reaction after last night's victory over the Nashville

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Speaker 2: Predators and Veneers's game continuing to pick up even more.

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Speaker 3: We'll hear from.

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Speaker 2: Maddie Banier's plus get the lowdown from Satire Shaw, Canucks

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Speaker 2: radio host as well on sports Nets six point fifty

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about the Quinn Hughes trade in

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Speaker 2: their outlook with this Western Conference playoff picture shaping up

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Speaker 2: in the Canucks with the immittally a steep hill to

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Speaker 2: climb right now to get back into this mix, yet

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Speaker 2: pulling off the trade which also involves a big parts.

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Speaker 3: Of their future. Satire Shaw joining us in just a bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, flashing back to last night, the Kraken made sure

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Speaker 2: the fireworks didn't stop after midnight on New Year's Day,

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Speaker 2: and hold the.

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Speaker 3: Point I've been shot.

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Speaker 4: Maddie veneers out in front.

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Speaker 3: He snaps a night game.

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Speaker 5: Gold routs and na see up cracking take a one

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Speaker 5: nothing lead sixteen twelve to play.

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Speaker 6: In the first well was Ryker Evans right at the

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Speaker 3: He gets a shot on Debt.

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Speaker 6: He's not looking to score from there, He's looking for

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Speaker 5: Crash Slash sets.

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Speaker 3: The big rig with a big goal.

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Speaker 7: Midway through Perry and one, Seattle with a two nothing lead.

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Speaker 6: Well, very similar to the first goal. The first goal

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Speaker 6: think that was enough for YUC Sorrows.

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Speaker 6: Then Alexiak puts it on Debt, which finds its way

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Speaker 5: Two nothing Bracket, Seattle, back yet off the face of sky,

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Speaker 5: the captain down the left wing, a squabble in front,

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Speaker 3: Three nothing Seattle.

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Speaker 6: the second shot on det and it was finally Mattypaneers

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Speaker 3: Three nothing Cracket.

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Speaker 2: That three goal first period enough to knock out the

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Speaker 2: and two in seven games at home over Nashville and

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Speaker 2: taking the first matchup of the regular season series. Needless

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Speaker 2: is say matters have turned very much for the better

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Speaker 2: allowing just one power play goal over the last five games,

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Speaker 11: Now, how do they impact the arrest of the group?

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Speaker 10: How's your two goals happen from your perspective?

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Speaker 10: What do you think about Groovy's game tonight?

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Speaker 2: So again the crack and pick up where they left

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Speaker 2: to two in a shootout back on Monday night at

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Speaker 2: Climate Pledge Arena. As they gear up for that major

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Speaker 2: news coming down earlier this morning, involving two more cracking

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Speaker 3: Seattle off a change. Here's Tolban.

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Speaker 2: Forward Zelly Tolbanan and Coppocco will go play for Team

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Speaker 2: Finland coming up in the twenty twenty six Games opening

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Speaker 2: this next month. Cocko, of course with experience from Finland's

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Speaker 2: admittedly a surprise omission from Finland's Four Nations faceoff roster,

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Speaker 2: Championships on their roster and now a part of the

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Speaker 2: Winter Olympics. This will be Tolvenen's second appearance in the

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Speaker 2: Winter Olympics and Coaco's first as a member of Team Finland,

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Speaker 2: the two joining Crack and goaltender Philip Grubauer already selected

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Speaker 2: Gearing up for another Pacific Division matchup this evening, they

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Speaker 2: they lost six to three to the Philadelphia Flyers, which

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Speaker 2: Seattle back on Monday night. But a big part of

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Speaker 2: this the Canucks looking to their future, trading their former

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Speaker 2: Canucks history, Quinn Ughes to the Minnesota Wild in exchange

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Speaker 2: with the first round draft pick in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: How that sets the Canucks up here for the future

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Speaker 2: and their outlook right now in this playoff picture where

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Speaker 2: they stand six points out of the cut line. Here's

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Speaker 2: our conversation from Cracking Weekly with Canucks radio host Sat

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Speaker 11: Well, and I think that's the You know, if you

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Speaker 11: ask fans in Vancouver, some are more focused on finishing

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Speaker 10: They want a high draft pick there.

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Speaker 11: You know, there's been a lot of talk about re

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Speaker 11: building and the team embracing the suck, so to speak,

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Speaker 11: and being bad for a few years. But we'll see

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Speaker 11: if that ultimately happens that way. But I thought last

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Speaker 11: night the krack And were the better team for the

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Speaker 11: most part. I thought the Crackning were better in the first.

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Speaker 11: They're better in the third, and Kevin Lankinin really stole

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Speaker 11: the show for Vancouver, especially yes, especially in the shoot up,

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Speaker 11: but also early in the game. I mean, there was

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Speaker 11: the breakaway right away from Coppococo lank and they made

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Speaker 11: to him, there was a great chance from Eberley. There

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Speaker 11: On the shootout, I mean, I guess I'm a bit

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Speaker 10: But I think naturally fans want to get on board

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Speaker 11: For players, you're starting to see a bit more of

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Speaker 12: Who is Vancouver's biggest rivalry right now?

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Speaker 10: I also think Rutherford and.

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Speaker 11: I think the best path forward is drafting, and at

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Speaker 11: the very least this management groups shown a good track

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Speaker 11: record of drafting and developing players.

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Speaker 2: As a part of what they're trying to build from

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Speaker 2: the foundation. They get three pretty good players here out

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Speaker 2: of one of the biggest blockbuster deals I think in

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Speaker 2: years in the NHL, in Liam Ogrin, Marco Rossi and

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Speaker 2: ze Buuyam, and of course Quinn use out the door

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Speaker 2: as a result. But sat tire or where do you

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Speaker 2: put the Quinn use trade versus others you've seen over

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Speaker 2: the years, And is it fair to call Zeev Booyam

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Speaker 2: Quinn used light.

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Speaker 11: I don't want to put that on Zeve because I

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Speaker 11: think Quinn is just Zeeve has been really good. Honestly,

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Speaker 11: the seven games he's played, he's rushing the puck well.

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Speaker 10: I think his.

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Speaker 11: Defensive game has been a bit more mature than I

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Speaker 11: expected it would be, considering he's a twenty year old

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Speaker 11: rookie in the NHL. But Quinn's a one of one.

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Speaker 11: I mean, nobody in the league skates the way Quinn

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Speaker 11: Hughes does. Nobody in the league plays the way Quinn does.

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Speaker 11: And that's not to say he's the best player. The

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Speaker 11: best defenseman in the league.

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Speaker 10: But he's unique.

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Speaker 11: It's him and mcarr And even if William hits his potential,

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Speaker 11: he may not be you know, one or two levels

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Speaker 11: compared to where Quinn is. So I don't want to

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Speaker 11: put that on Zeve. And I think there's a uniqueness

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Speaker 11: to how Quinn skates. Zee might actually be a little

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Speaker 11: quicker in a straight line. He might be more explosive

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Speaker 11: in a few years. But where Quinn dusts everybody in

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Speaker 11: the league as his edge work, I mean, he's he's

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Speaker 11: almost like a ballet dancer on the ice.

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Speaker 10: It's just incredible what he's able to do.

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Speaker 11: I mean his mom was a figure skater two so

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Speaker 11: I think you know, he learned these these this trade

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Speaker 11: at a really young age, and he's so elusive. I

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Speaker 11: think there's nobody that can compare it to Quinn in

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Speaker 11: terms of how he skates. Like mccarr is more direct

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Speaker 11: and powerful and dynamic and has a bit more power.

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Speaker 10: In how he plays.

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Speaker 11: But Quinn's just elegance he plays with So I can

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Speaker 11: never put that on anybody.

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Speaker 10: I think it's unfair to.

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Speaker 11: Zeve, but he has potential to be a top pair,

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Speaker 11: you know, perhaps franchise changing changing defenseman, and I think

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Speaker 11: where Vancouver kind of finds itself now after having made

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Speaker 11: the trade. I think it is a fair value because

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Speaker 11: you're never getting, you know, one for one replacement when

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Speaker 11: you're trade a player like Quinn. But I do think

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Speaker 11: it's the biggest trade we've seen since the cap Era

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Speaker 11: started in two thousand and five. There's been some big

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Speaker 11: trades like Joe Thornton got moved, of course, but the

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Speaker 11: return I don't think looks anywhere close to what bank

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Speaker 11: who ended up getting it was Brad Stewart, Marco Sturm.

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Speaker 11: I think Wayne Primo came over from San Jose to

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Speaker 11: Boston in that trade.

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Speaker 10: The rant in the trade last year.

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Speaker 11: I think was maybe the second biggest or the biggest

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Speaker 11: when he got moved from Martin, Natchez and then moved

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Speaker 11: again to Carolina. But I'd say in the cap Era,

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Speaker 11: this was the biggest trade that we have seen, and

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Speaker 11: perhaps the best player to get traded, since you know,

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Speaker 11: you have to go back to prior to the cap Era.

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Speaker 11: I mean Vancouver traded Pablo Burrey to Florida. I think

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Speaker 11: that kind of ranked similar in that type of range,

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Speaker 11: like one of the single best players in the league

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Speaker 11: at his position.

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Speaker 10: Getting moved just.

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Speaker 2: Reminded me also of Tamuslani from Winnipeg to Anah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that one had a huge one as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: and those are the types of you know, earth chattery moves.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you're talking about guys for Hall of Fame

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Speaker 11: level talents and you know, and they don't usually get

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Speaker 11: traded in their prime, like Quinn's like firmly right in

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Speaker 11: his prime and that's when you got moved.

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Speaker 10: You don't see that very often.

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Speaker 9: I've heard a lot of people talk about this trade

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Speaker 9: and I want to ask you, would you consider Quinn Hughes.

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Speaker 9: Is he the best Canuck in history? And I've seen

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Speaker 9: that flying around. You know, the Canucks out of here

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Speaker 9: trading are best player that we've ever had. And I'm like, well,

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Speaker 9: the Sadems are pretty good.

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Speaker 10: Yea Bongo was pretty good.

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Speaker 9: You guys, there's some guys hanging up in the rafters

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Speaker 9: at Rogers that are pretty good. Not saying Quinn is not,

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Speaker 9: but in the history of the Knucks, is Quinn Hughes

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Speaker 9: number one?

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Speaker 11: I think you could argue he is in terms of

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Speaker 11: pure talent, right, And I think part of the reason

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Speaker 11: why there is an extra affinity towards Quinn.

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Speaker 10: Is the Canucks.

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Speaker 11: Canucks fans have been dying to see the team have

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Speaker 11: a number one defenseman up until they drafted Quinn. The

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Speaker 11: conversation in Vancouver always was they've had great teams. They've

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Speaker 11: had great you know forwards, you know, maybe the best

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Speaker 11: wing and one of the best in Burrey. They had

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Speaker 11: the sittings. You know, even looking a guy like Marcus Naslin,

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Speaker 11: I think he gets lost to you know, a guy

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Speaker 11: who won the Art Ross one year and the Lester B.

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Speaker 11: Pearson one year, one of the most prolific scores in

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Speaker 11: the NHL right before the cap Earro started. But they

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Speaker 11: never had a defenseman that defined a franchise the way

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Speaker 11: Quinn did. And you know, fans had always talked about

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Speaker 11: and even in the media throughout the years that do

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Speaker 11: you truly win a Stanley Cup unless you get a

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Speaker 11: bona five number one defenseman? Do you need to have

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Speaker 11: that type of lynch fin And the Canucks finally got one.

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Speaker 11: So I do think part of it is it's what

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Speaker 11: fans and a lot of people have been longing for

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Speaker 11: for forty plus years for the team to find a

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Speaker 11: player like Quin.

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Speaker 10: So they finally got him.

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Speaker 11: So I do think there's also the recency bias because

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Speaker 11: he's the latest one here.

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Speaker 10: It's an argument.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you can argue him Burrey the Citings, but

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Speaker 11: you can certainly craft an argument that Quinn is the

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Speaker 11: single most talented player this franchise ever had.

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Speaker 2: looking ahead here to this evening the Crack and looking

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Speaker 2: to get a win again and back to back situations

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Speaker 2: where they had been a bit better. In the most

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Speaker 2: recent stretch. Last three games they have either found wins

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Speaker 2: or points against the New York Islanders, the Los Angeles Kings,

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Speaker 2: a run of four straight wins into Vancouver. That is

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Speaker 3: That's bigger right now.

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Speaker 2: Five consecutive road wins against the Anaheim Ducks, which began

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Speaker 2: back in November of twenty twenty two the Crack and

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Speaker 2: again five ozho one in six games. It is their

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Speaker 2: fourth Lawe loungest Pointstreek in franchise history. They're two away

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Speaker 2: from reaching eight, which is tied for second best that

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Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty two and January twenty twenty three

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Speaker 2: as well. They face a Canucks team that has played

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Speaker 2: from behind a ton this season. To note, thirty two

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Speaker 2: games Vancouver has trailed in that's over eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: their games this season. They are nine twenty and three

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Speaker 2: in that mark. Only Philadelphia has trailed in more games

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Speaker 2: this year with thirty three. Cracking again ending back to

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Speaker 2: back games, and it doesn't get much easier after this,

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Speaker 2: of course, because they have seventeen games on the slate

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Speaker 2: here for this month. It will have two days off

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Speaker 2: and then come right back for more back to back

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Speaker 2: action Monday in Calgary. Back home again Tuesday against the

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Speaker 2: Boston Bruins. But as far as this evening, we hope

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