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Speaker 1: My name is Meager. Thank you for listening. I feel

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Speaker 1: like the start of the show has been hectic. I

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Speaker 1: But you know what got a little bounce of my step.

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Speaker 1: You see one last night Bearcats played like a really

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Speaker 1: good thirty minutes thirty two minutes maybe against Colorado last night,

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Speaker 1: picking up their first big twelve win. I thought it

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Speaker 1: was awesome that as the game went on, the focus

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Speaker 1: journal dot com has all that covered and the new

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator situation that you see covered as well. And

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Speaker 1: even though we've sort of bounced around when we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Chad on today, he's with us now, Hi Chad?

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Speaker 2: Hi, Mo? How's it going.

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Speaker 1: The Bearcats won a game last night.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if this had anything to do

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Speaker 2: with it, But slept so well last night after that win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that I slept straight through my alarm, woke up

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Speaker 2: at nine thirty and my daughter was two hours later school.

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Speaker 2: That really happened.

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Speaker 1: Father of the Year, as far as I'm concerned. See

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Speaker 1: I would have once have got to nine thirty. I

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Speaker 1: would have said, you know what, day off for everybody?

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Speaker 1: But that's just me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, But I woke up No, I mean I

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Speaker 2: this is bad.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well do you do you think Wes Miller

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Speaker 2: I hope so, I hope. So it's been Look, it

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Speaker 2: would be one thing if I I know it's been brutal.

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Speaker 2: I know things have not been. I imagine it's even worse.

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Speaker 2: Losing three Big Twelve, your first three Big Twelve games

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Speaker 2: five grand total of what ten points? Like, I imagine

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Speaker 2: that's even more unsettling than if you got blown out

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Speaker 2: every game, especially the way they've lost the three games

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Speaker 2: that they lost, so being able to hang on. Look,

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Speaker 2: they got to five and then Dade Thomas goes on

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Speaker 2: that that you know, makes the three in a layup

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Speaker 2: five blah, Miller scores. It's back to twelve. You think,

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Speaker 2: all right, they stem the tide. It's gonna be all right.

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Speaker 2: You blink aight, Oh run Colorado, it's back to four.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, they're gonna lose this game, like they're

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Speaker 2: really gonna lose this game. And tudos to the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: for making free throws down the stretch and getting across

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Speaker 2: the finish line. And also, I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: watched it last night or not, I kind of loved

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Speaker 2: Ted Boyle. His postgame press conference was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Really, I did not pay attention to Tad Boyle. I

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Speaker 1: know their radio broadcast was still going on when everybody

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Speaker 2: He legitimately had. He looked at the statute he was

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Speaker 2: talking about the first half because I was asking him

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Speaker 2: about Cincinnati cutting up his own defense, and he looked

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Speaker 2: at me and he said, they shot fifty seven percent

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Speaker 2: in the first half. When's the last time this Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: team shot fifty to seven percent? Right? That doesn't happen

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Speaker 2: a whole lot, does it. I was like, no, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: It was great, got watch it tonight. It's really I mean,

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Speaker 2: he called his team soft like three times. He said

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Speaker 2: like is what ails you? It was all the things

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Speaker 2: we want coaches to sound like in a postgame. That

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks have looked at these

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Speaker 1: next two games not just as automatic losses, but games

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Speaker 1: in which they won't even compete. Is that unfair?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not unfair. I watched Iowa State and

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Speaker 2: I will say, if you look at last year, they

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Speaker 2: And then who's been more consistent than Arizona this year?

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Speaker 2: And I think Michigan's been the better team, But Arizona

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Speaker 2: is not pretty for this Bearcats team. Those both of

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the West Miller tenure. Is it salvagable?

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Speaker 2: Can they make the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. I don't think so. Like I

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Speaker 2: just I want to see it be saligible. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: you've got Iowa State, You've got Arizona, You've got Houston,

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Speaker 2: there's not the math doesn't math on. I mean, what

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Speaker 2: we're four games, then there's fourteen left. They'd probably need

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Speaker 2: it feels pretty far out of reach. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: I think the one observation that people have made really

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Speaker 1: coming out of the UCF game, where they were again

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Speaker 1: in a position to win, is that these are a

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Speaker 1: collection of players worth not bailing on. That's been part

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Speaker 1: guys aren't quitting. I'm not going to quit on them.

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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing them. I think for a lot of us.

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Speaker 1: right Like, if the losing continues, does it become problematic

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Speaker 1: You're around these guys and you know them, well, how

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Speaker 2: It's company concern, not to be fair, it's the transfer

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Speaker 2: used to, right sure, Like, right know, I started watching

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Speaker 2: Troy Kopain when he was fifteen, sixteen years old? Sure,

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Speaker 2: You still more than most Yes, yet, Yes, I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying it's like it's a different era in terms of

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Speaker 2: then how much buying really is there? Like, because these

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Speaker 2: I think this team likes each other. I think they

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Speaker 2: what is that breaking point? You get to January one

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Speaker 2: everybody's heart still in it? That's a legitimate.

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Speaker 1: Question, right, No, it's fair, especially in this day and age.

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Speaker 1: Quickly football two new coordinators start with on defense, How's

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Speaker 1: it going to look differently in twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 2: It's going to look more like if you watch Scott

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Speaker 2: it's gonna look more like that. Nate Woody was his

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator at Appalachian State from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: East Coast three four. That's the system that Nate Woody

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Speaker 2: it's a three four. It's more aggressive. There's a couple

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Speaker 2: of hybrid spots. One of the linebackers like a hybrid

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Speaker 2: kind of like a four two five or a three

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Speaker 2: I care about that you're not dropping eight yards on

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Speaker 2: thirty and seven, No problem, We're going to convert because

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Speaker 2: The style is supposed to be a lot more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: I supposed to get after the quarterback more. I want

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Speaker 1: What about on offense with co offensive coordinators, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think a whole lot changes here. It's still Scott

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Speaker 2: I think it's a raise and uh an elevation for

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Speaker 2: two guys that have earned it. And Pete Thomas did

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Speaker 2: a phenomenal job of helping develop Brendon Soorsby. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know if there's anybody that would that would even

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Speaker 2: put up a remote debate if you said Nick Cardwell

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Speaker 2: So those two guys, if you would figure when it

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Speaker 2: comes to game planning. Pete Thomas will handle the passing game. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Nick Cardwell will handle more of the running game responsibilities.

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Speaker 2: Scott Saderfield will call the plays. I think both of

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Speaker 2: those guys have done a great job. They deserve to raise,

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Speaker 2: they deserved a promotion, and they got one.

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Speaker 1: Well said, and I appreciate you joining us as always,

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Speaker 1: and we will talk next week.

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Speaker 2: You're you're not gonna call me still at four twenty?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more than happy. Are you going to

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Speaker 1: take a nap? I mean just sleeping up today is uh?

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Speaker 1: You gotta go pick your kid up?

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Speaker 2: Like what, she's at pilates. She does hot pilates every day.

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Speaker 2: Oh so she's at hot pilates right now and I'm

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Speaker 2: just hanging out waiting for her to get done. I

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Speaker 2: do feel refreshed. I feel great today.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand. I can totally relate. All right, man,

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