1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Seven oh six at fifty five Carosee detalk station. I'm 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: very happy Friday to you. It still won't got the 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six fish Fry list there at fifty five 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: cars dot com on the blog page, and we also 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: have the conversation yesterday with Adam Kaylor about citizen journalism. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: There's a seminar next that's to Power You Summar March 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: twenty fifth. He's got this Cincinnati Exchange blog and he's 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: inviting people out within the community who have some connection 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: with matters going on locally to provide some reporting on it. 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: He's facilitated that. He's made it very easy and there's 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: some great contributors out there, and including someone who identify 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: as a citizen journalist. And thank god we've got our 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: welcome back to the fifty five Case Morning Show. Signal 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: ninety nine. Good to hear from you today. How's life 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: with you right now? 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: Signal Good morning, Brian. I'm awake and I kind of 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 2: had of a voice, so I'll try not to yell. 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: You don't have to. You've got a very strong voice, 19 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: even if it might not be functioning accurately. The interesting 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: commentary you provide on your website over at Facebook. Find 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine on Facebook and see what she's got 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: to say. A lot of it's kind of comical. I 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: got your your post yesterday. The appropriate use of commas 24 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: can really transform a statement. But more fundamentally, when you 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: find things going on behind the scenes, like with law 26 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: enforcement with the fire department, you let folks know about it. 27 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: You've got a lot of folks that you're connected with 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: that have the inside information. When there is documentation, quite 29 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: often you'll present it and really pretty much offer an 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: opportunity to someone to refute what you are saying in 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: the conclusions you reach, which doesn't usually seem to happen, 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: which allows me to confirm that you are connected with 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: some very informed folks. Signal ninety nine. 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: I you know it's true. And the success of our 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: page has been because we have so many people that 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: trust us, and we have them in every nook and tranny. 37 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: It's kind of phenomenal. Taking a law time to build 38 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: that trust up years, but we have it and more 39 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: thankful for it and more thankful for all of our people. 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: Yes, keep us in the loop, and yeah, I'll give 41 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: you props for mentioning you know it's not just Signal 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: ninety nine. She is a single person represented by that moniker, 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: but she's reliant on all of these inside connected individuals 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: to provide her with the information. So and props to 45 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: all of those who are willing to do it. It's 46 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: almost as if you're an outlet for whistleblower Signal ninety nine. 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, it started to give a voice 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: to those that didn't have one for fear of you know, 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: retribution at work. So they have a voice. Well, I guess, 50 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: and that's what that's what we're here for. 51 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: We motivated to reveal that voice, or we motivate the 52 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 1: lack of local reporting on the extraordinarily important subject matter 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: that you write about, like you know Police Chief Washington, 54 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: which we're going to get here, and how why was 55 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: he terminated? Please Chief Thiji? Why was she put on 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 1: administrative lead? Lord knows. We don't know the answer to 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: that question. Before you know the the impact and ability 58 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: of iris Roli to direct and control what happens from 59 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati government perspective relative law enforcement. I mean, 60 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: all these things are so important you would think you'd 61 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: be reading about them in Channel nine, Channel twelve Fox nineteen. 62 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: You might read them on the enquire but there is 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: there are media outlets out there, there are reporting, there's 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: reporting out there, but never seems to pop up in 65 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: those you know, presumably informed outlets. 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: Well, part of that problem are you know, news directors 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 2: and CEOs and attorneys for the media. You know, they're 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: sometimes has a tant to dive into that stuff. The 69 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: other part of it is even the reporters that do 70 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: want to blow it up, that do want to put 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: it out there, they're constrained legally to jump through eight 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: billion hoops. They've got to get a source it's willing 73 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: to go on the record. They've got to get permission 74 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: from the person that took the original video on a 75 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: cell phone, if you know, if they want to publish it, 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 2: they have there. They're constrained by so many things that 77 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: we're not. So you know, we vet our sources, we 78 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: double check, and we do our best to make sure 79 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: everything we put out there is factual. But we don't 80 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 2: have to do all of that. We just blow it up. 81 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I know, regular report reporters regularly rely 82 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: on sources that requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: of the information. You still get reporting on it, and 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about public figures here for the most part, 85 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: which you know, don't enjoy the level of privacy or scrutiny. 86 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: Perhaps that then reporting on just an everyday citizen has 87 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to talk about Cheryl Long, 88 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: you're going to talk about aftab Pervoll, youre going to 89 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: talk about council members, they're all public figures, which is 90 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: a higher level of a protection journalist had when reporting 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: on these matters. So I questioned the reluctance to do it. 92 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 2: Well, for instance, remember when we posted the actual repo 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 2: order on the mayor's car last year right after the election. 94 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: So that's not a public document. So Ford Motor Credit 95 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: was really upset that we got a hold of that, 96 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: but the media could not get a copy of that 97 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: because it's not available in a public records request. That is, 98 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: you know, it's just not So they were very frustrated 99 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: because that was a big news story for them and 100 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: they all wanted to blow it up and they just couldn't. 101 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Well that's why we had to get. 102 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: A copy of it. Yeah, yeah, so we kind of 103 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: we fill that void. 104 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: That's why we love talking to the Signal ninety nine, 105 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: a very reliable source of information. I got to double 106 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: down on that point. So it's worthy to follow her 107 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: and see what she's up to, because she'll have the 108 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: information for anybody else. All Right, real quick here, before 109 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: we get to police Chief Washington and the current proceedings 110 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: that are going on relative to him, how about your 111 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: reaction to the survey about how people feel about the police, 112 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: this recent survey that was released by Downtown Cincinnat. They 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: crunch these numbers every couple of years, and it didn't 114 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: look like the figures were good across the board. But 115 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: how safety you feel in your neighborhood fifty percent satisfied 116 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: or very satisfied? That kind of question your reaction to 117 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: how residents feel. And there was a comical argument that 118 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: was made in response to this satisfaction survey. Generally, well, 119 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: we just need to convince people that they're wrong in 120 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: their perception. In other words, we need a better messaging campaign. 121 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: Don't believe your own eyes, don't believe your own experiences, 122 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: just believe in our new public relations spin on things. 123 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, you know what I find most interesting about that, Brian, 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: is that they have the results in October of last year, 125 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: So why did they wait until mark of this year 126 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: to publish it? Be good? Because they didn't. They didn't 127 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: want to do it before the election obviously, And I 128 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: think I think that they they knew how bad it 129 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: was going to look, and they thought serving up Chief 130 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: Tgi might offset that a little bit. They could point 131 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: the finger at her. But no, I mean, it wasn't 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: Chief Figi on the TV or talk to you know, 133 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: the press all the time saying the city's safe, Come 134 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: enjoy the city, it's perfectly safe. That was the mayor. 135 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: That wasn't Chief Fiji. That was the mayor telling everybody 136 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: that nobody bought it, and that survey pretty much shows that. 137 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: Well, I guess I got to ask you a point 138 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: of question, serving how could anyone buy it? They put 139 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: her on administrative lead but didn't cite a single thing 140 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: as a justification for policing an administrative leave, and to 141 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: this day we still don't know why. 142 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 2: Well, and that's why they keep extend the investigation. Yeah, 143 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: because they're looking for anything, anything to justify terminating her. 144 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: And I believe they're going to come up with some 145 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: really ridiculous reason to justify termination. I think they're going 146 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: to do that, okay, and then that'll be just one 147 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: more huge loss against the city. 148 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: Well, we know that's coming, and we'll talk about Chief 149 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: Washington next in terms of big lawsuits coming at the city. 150 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: But how could they hope to have any credibility? They 151 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: can't cite anything at all now to justify the administry 152 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: to leave the higher this law firm the extend the 153 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: law firms contract a couple of extra months to keep 154 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: looking and looking and looking. She's got more than thirty 155 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: years of public service as a police officer, and you know, 156 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: a fairly storied career. Her entire family's been involved in 157 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: law enforcement. I mean, it's a really well respected family. 158 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: But if this law firm were to find something in 159 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: the thirty plus year career in the records that belonged 160 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: to Police Chief DG, how in God's name are they 161 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: going to justify last summer's administrative leaved placement If it 162 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: takes them this long to find really anything that's critical 163 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: of Fiji's tenure as a police officer, let alone as 164 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: wild police chief. 165 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: Well, not only that, but how much did this is 166 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: this investigation costs in the taxpayers? 167 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: That's a good question. Initially, I believe it was forty 168 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Whether or not the law firm is providing 169 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: pro bono work on it right now remains to be seen. 170 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: Let's pause, we'll bring signal ninety nine back. Quite a 171 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: few topics that go over with her this morning, including 172 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: yet care and see the talk station seven twenty one 173 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: if you have a KARCD talk station. Brian Thomas with 174 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine again, recommendation strong one for anybody in 175 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: the greater Cincinnatia wants to know about the shenanigans going 176 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: on in downtown and there are seemingly an endless list 177 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: of those kind of problems going on. Signal ninety nine 178 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: gets the info passes along to you and me and 179 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: we get to learn all about it. And let's pivot 180 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: over to former Chief fire Chief Michael Washington, and good morning, 181 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: mister Washington. It's a pleasure having him out there listening 182 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: to the program. Someone told me he was first Cincinnati 183 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: fireteeth to be fired from the position, and it was 184 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: under very questionable circumstances which led him to file a 185 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: lawsuit claiming his dismissal was unjust and unlawful. So now 186 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: we're at the process where the City of Cincinnati is 187 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: claiming that they're entitled to qualified immunity. Now, this is 188 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: a due process claim. The city claim, accordingly to his allegations, 189 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: violated his due process rights and defamed his character. So 190 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: the looming question is, well, even if the city violated 191 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: mister Washington's rights, they're nonetheless entitled to qualified immunity. There 192 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: was an oral argument in court the other day on 193 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: this one, signal ninety nine. Where are we well? 194 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: The argument was actually yesterday. Did you get a chance 195 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: to listen to it? 196 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: I didn't get I know you posted it. Thank you 197 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: for doing so. I haven't had a chance to listen 198 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: to it yet. I just realized this morning that you 199 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: had posted the arguments in court. 200 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 2: It was phenomenal. So let me just say it's about 201 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: share a long qualified immunity. It's about not only did 202 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 2: she deny Keith Washington due process? She absolutely did, but 203 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 2: it's also about, you know, she wants protection underqualified immunity, 204 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: but maliciousness also takes that off the table. So they're 205 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: getting her kind of two ways. From Sunday and Stephen 206 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: m the attorney for Mike Washington, I just have to 207 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: say he's the greatest attorney of all time. He's also 208 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: my attorney and I love it. But he did a 209 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: phenomenal job yesterday. He kind of schooled the federal court 210 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: and I was so impressed. Well, the city solicitor seemed 211 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: to be desperately struggling tread and water, and I don't 212 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: think they're going to farewell. I think this decision is 213 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: going to be handed down and the City's not going 214 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: to be happy, and this is their last ditch effort 215 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: to stall this. I think Cheryl Long is going to 216 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: be on the hook big time. I think they are 217 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: going to stay with the lower court's decision and I 218 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: don't see them overturning it personally. That's my thoughts about it. 219 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: And from a procedural posture, it's important for those who 220 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: are not following as close attention to Signal ninety nine 221 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: is yes, at the lower court level, this is an 222 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: appeal from the city. Lower court found that they that 223 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: she did not enjoy qualified immunity and so the appealed 224 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: that and that was what the argument was about in 225 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: front of the Pellic Court yesterday. If I got that 226 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: right from a procedural posture. 227 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: Standpoint, yes, and you know, the real question is did 228 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: it even belong in federal court. I would say no, 229 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: two thumbs down. I think the city is ridiculous, But 230 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: I also think that they're going to get schooled very very, 231 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: very much so, and I think it's going to cost 232 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: them a lot of money. Well, you know, the more 233 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: they want to mess around, you know, just keep adding 234 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: zeros to that lawsuit. 235 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: And don't forget attorney's fees. I see. I'm thinking Stephen 236 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: m is paying close attention to his hourly billable charges 237 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: and what will apply when he asks for reimbursement from 238 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati for his attorney's fees. That's going 239 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: to be a sizeable amount, I imagine. 240 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I guarantee you it will. 241 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: This goes back that years. Three years. I'll tell you what, yeah, 242 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: three years this month. Okay, So I want to go 243 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: back when we when we return from break, because I 244 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: want you to refresh everybody's recollection, including mine. Quite honestly, 245 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: what was originally the argument was that justified his dismissal 246 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: because I think, unlike Police Chief Teresa Thiji, being placed 247 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: on administratively with literally no specific claim, that they did 248 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: make up some specific allegations which the city claimed justified 249 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: mayor us any manager Long's decision to dismiss him. So 250 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: we'll bring back and we'll get a conclusion and wrap 251 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 1: up on what's going on with fire chief former fire 252 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: chief Washington. I guess he probably will get his job 253 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: back too. On top of things. Sait here fifty five 254 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: KRCD talk station, Brian Thomas with Signal ninety nine, the 255 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: source of some really great information. You can follow her 256 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: on Facebook, as I recommend you do. Fortunate enough to 257 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: get her here on the fifty five KRSS Morning Show, 258 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your friendship with Joe Strecker. So I 259 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to talk with the signal ninety nine, 260 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: depriving others of that opportunity. We're talking about right now, 261 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: Michael Washington, former Cincinni fire chief who was terminated three 262 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: years ago, first chief to be fired from the position 263 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: under allegations of some concerns over I guess workplace culture 264 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: or something. So right now, the argument of federal court 265 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: yesterday on appeal this was made in a trial court 266 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: in the lower court as well, that it's qualified immunity. 267 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: So you don't get to the argument of qualified immunity 268 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: until you address the wrongful termination claim. So he goes 269 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: into court and says, hey, you violated my due process right, 270 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: you terminated me unlawfully. There was no reason for it. 271 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: The defense would be no, no, no, here are the 272 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: specific allegations and justifying why we terminated you. Then if 273 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: you don't believe that, court, we pivot over to even 274 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: if what he says is true, we're still entitled to immunity. 275 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: In other words, you can't get any money out of 276 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: me because we get qualified immunity, and that we would 277 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: be city manager Cherylong who made the claim. But the 278 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: allegations beneath it. My understanding is this sprung from some 279 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: women helping women climate survey or something. But you need 280 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks on that signal ninety nine 281 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: so we know what the underlying charges are, which basically 282 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: ruined his reputation. 283 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: So, yeah, there was a couple of grumbly female firefighters 284 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: that were did not follow the chain of command that 285 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: they were unhappy that they weren't getting they weren't allowed 286 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: to fit in on assistant chief meetings with the chief. Well, 287 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: of course not, they're not assistant chief. So they grumbled 288 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: about that. Sarah long allowed them to come directly to 289 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: her and constantly give her feedback and information and complain 290 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 2: directly to her. And that's not following the chain of 291 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: command by any means. 292 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: Is don't they have a collective bargaining agreement? Which which yeah, okay, 293 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: that's what I thought. 294 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So they tried to push that narrative and 295 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: that that wasn't going to really fly. So what they 296 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: actually terminated him for the fire chief has to show 297 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: up for a high rise fire with or without fatalities. 298 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: They have to show up for fatality fires. Okay, Chief 299 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: Washington didn't go to a high rise fire because he 300 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: wasn't notified about it. Now that begs the question, hmm. 301 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: Was he not notified intentionally or is it simply a 302 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: mistake that they forgot to notify him. But the point 303 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: is is he missed the high right fire and that's 304 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: the excuse they used for terminating him. However, Chief Wu 305 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: Tang Frank McKinley has missed a high rights fire this 306 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: year and several fatality fires. So he just never showed up. 307 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 2: In fact, at the one fatality fire where there were 308 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: actually three fatalities, he was at a feedinel dinner with 309 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: Cheryl Long go figure. So it's okay for this chief, 310 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: this current chief, to not show up and not be 311 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 2: held accountable for any of this. But Michael Washington misses 312 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: one high right fire with no fatalities, and that's the 313 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: excuse they used to terminate him. And you know, I 314 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 2: want to go on to say too, Brian. I don't 315 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: know if you know about this, but last year Chief 316 00:17:55,160 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 2: McKinley was accidentally overpaid ten thousand dollars by this and 317 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: the city caught it. They reached out to him and 318 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 2: then said, hey, we put an extra ten thousand dollars 319 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: in your paycheck. You need to pay that back. And 320 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 2: he said, oh, yeah, sure, sure I will. Well, they 321 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: kept calling, they kept emailing, they kept reaching out. He 322 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 2: didn't pay it back. Take garner sheet his wages. Oh 323 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: my god, who does that? Yeah, I mean, and that's 324 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 2: that's that's a public record. 325 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: Huh. 326 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: So you know, but he's not been fired for that either. No. 327 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: It's just really interesting. 328 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: Who doesn't make their car payment signal ninety night. 329 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the car payment. 330 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: I know, I know. I had to go back to 331 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: that since you brought it up earlier in the segment. Anyway, 332 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: all right, so he doesn't get noticed. So there's there's 333 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: no evidence that they presented a show that he got 334 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: noticed of the fatality high or high rise fire. So 335 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: you can't hold him accountable for that if you don't 336 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: know about it. How can you be expected to show 337 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: up for something you're not aware of? I get that point, 338 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: but I thought there was also allegations independent completely of that, 339 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: that there was some kind of workplace culture issues going 340 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: on that led to his termination. Is that not what 341 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 1: they ultimately hung their hat on. 342 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 2: Again, this was the small group of female firefighters that 343 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: demanded to be allowed into the command staff meetings with 344 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 2: the assistant chief and the thief, and they were told, no, 345 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: you're not an assistant chief. No, you're not going to 346 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 2: be able to sit in on the meeting. You know, 347 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: we discussed personnel issues, things of sensitive natures you cannot 348 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 2: sit in on. So they grubbled, grubble, grubbled, But they 349 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 2: didn't take it up the chain. They didn't file aggrievance. 350 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: They went straight to Sharah Long and she let them 351 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: write in her office and heard everything they had to say. 352 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: So they were little plants trying to help push him 353 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: out the door. 354 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you to you know, your 355 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: subjective opinion unless you know for a fact the reasons, 356 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: the motivations. Why were they so interested, Why was Sheryl 357 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: Long so interested in terminating his role as chief of 358 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: the fire Department? Well, what I mean, what was wrong 359 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: with him? 360 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: Because he questioned a lot of the things that she 361 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: was trying to implement, for instance, that the DEI step. 362 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 2: He said, Look, CFD is full of diversity. I'm a 363 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: black fire chief. We've got several, you know, hundreds of 364 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 2: firefighters that are that are persons of color. We've got 365 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: people within the LGBTQ spectrum, we've got women, you know, 366 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 2: we've got we're already diverse, and we're not going to 367 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: take this DEI candidate and jump them for promotion over 368 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 2: somebody who's more qualified and has put in the time. 369 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: So she didn't like that, So, you know, she was 370 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: and here's the thing. She knows absolutely nothing about the 371 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: fire department. She knows nothing about the police department. So 372 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: I mean, really she knows nothing about being the city managers. 373 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: So she just Willie Milly started creating all these things 374 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: that we're going to implement, and he pushed back, Wow, 375 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: and said, you know, And he didn't just say no, 376 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 2: He said this is why this is this is why 377 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: this is a bad idea, you know, And he would 378 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 2: explain to her. She did not like that. So she 379 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 2: doesn't like anybody that's that even remotely pushes back. So yeah, 380 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: it's yeah, And so do I think they're going to 381 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: give Chief Washington his job back. I wish, in my hope, 382 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: my heart of hearts, I hope the city comes to 383 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 2: their senses, but I just don't see it happening there. Instead, 384 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: it's going to cost the taxpayer millions and millions and 385 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: millions of dollars. 386 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you inserted the word taxpayer in there, 387 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: because this is not coming out of Chryl Long's pocket, 388 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: is not coming out of Pearl Voll's pocket, a Rollie's pocket. 389 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: It's coming out of the city coffers, which means the 390 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: taxpayers are on the hook for this just ridiculous conduct. Pause. 391 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: We'll bring back signal ninety nine at seven thirty eight 392 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: right now, if you five KRCD talk st the talk 393 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: station seven forty fifty five KRCD talk station. Bryan Thomas 394 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: was signaled ninety nine, pivoting over to the relationship the 395 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: Sin Sint Police Department I guess used to have with 396 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: the federal government. The CPD worked together, in partnership with 397 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: the federal government and built this award winning nationally recognized 398 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: Criminal Gun Intelligence Center CGIC, And they collect all this data, 399 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: violent crime enforcement data, and they put it together and 400 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: they use it for the purposes of boiling it down 401 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: and figuring out who the bad guys are. So again, celebrated, 402 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: I got the federal government even ponied up some significant 403 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: funds to help fund overtime for the CGIC, et cetera. 404 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: And you did a very detailed report at signal ninety 405 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: nine on Facebook. Why was it? What I will argue 406 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: is why has it been essentially dismantled and all the 407 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: people in the know that built this award winning program 408 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: have been put by the wayside Signal ninety nine. 409 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: Well, you notice, Brian, they didn't start trying to implode 410 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: it from within until Chief Tsue was placed on Leaves. 411 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: So that begs the question, who stands to gain with 412 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: dismantling SIGIC and taking out this massively important brain of 413 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: modern violent crime enforcement in the region. So, you know, 414 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: speculating of course, aside from the criminals getting away with it, Okay, 415 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: they're probably going to rejoice about it, but how does 416 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: iris really feel about this? Is there just too many 417 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 2: people getting charged through SIGIC in federal court and doing serious. 418 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: Time federal court, meaning they can get around the lax 419 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: law enforcement perception of the Hamilton County judges by filing 420 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: cases insteederal court. 421 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So you've got to ask yourself. Given the mayors 422 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: really left leaning ideologies, the city managers, most of council, 423 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 2: the county prosecutor, the sheriff, and most of the judges 424 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 2: in Hambita County. You know they all want to you know, 425 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: kumbai ad out. Oh let's just send them for therapy 426 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: or you know, you know whatever, let's not send them 427 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 2: to prison. They all have they all share this uh 428 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: reimagined justice for violent criminal offenders. Well, SIJIK takes that 429 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: right out of their hands. The prosecutor gets skipped, the 430 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: sheriff gets skipped, the courthouse gets skipped, It goes straight 431 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 2: to federal court. These guys and gals are are making 432 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: federal cases. So now that's being sabotaged from within. These 433 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: people are going to be just going through the motions 434 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: and County Court. Again we wait. 435 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: So I guess I have to put an exclamation point 436 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: on this. The Criminal Gun Intelligence Center was wonderful and 437 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: again noted nationally for its success and putting together all 438 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: of this data so they could go to court supported 439 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: by the data probable cause charges filed. There will be 440 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: due process in federal court, they will be entitled to 441 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: an attorney. They will be able to argue that there 442 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: should be reasonable doubt. So they're still getting all the 443 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: benefits of the wonderful criminal justice system. It's just that 444 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: they're in a different venue. And if to the extent 445 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: the Criminal Gun Intelligence Center has created whole cloth or 446 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: otherwise fabricated data, the defense attorney's going to figure that out. No, 447 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: this is real info, backed by evidence presented in court 448 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: with an opportunity to defend oneself. So it happens in 449 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: federal court, happens in state court. I don't know what 450 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: the problem is. I really don't. Other than what you're 451 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: put you're painting a picture that. 452 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, no fish. The problem is too many 453 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: criminals are going to get hard several times. That's the problem. 454 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: So we have to destroy it. We can't have this 455 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 2: we can't have, you know, we can't bypass our own 456 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: courthouse full of judges that are happy just putting people 457 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: back on EMU or at a ten percent of a 458 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 2: thousand dollars bond and just letting them roam the streets 459 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: and keep committing violent crimes. We you know, stoftball sentencing. 460 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: You know, they don't like that brand. They don't like 461 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: the federal court and federal prosecutors taking these cases out 462 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 2: of their venue. They don't like it. 463 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: Well, I wonder, right, you know, going back to the 464 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: survey we talked about earlier, I wonder what the residents 465 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: of the city is sin saying how they feel about 466 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: lacks law enforcement and lacks sentencing. Because we all know many, many, 467 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: many of the folks in the criminal justice systems are 468 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: recidivists and at some point, at some time, they need 469 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: to be taught a lesson. If you keep letting them 470 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: out the door and allowing them to get away with violence, 471 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: or maybe even allow them to commit crimes carrying a 472 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: firearm when they're already under disability. We keep hearing about, 473 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, gun violence. We need to do some 474 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: bad gun violence. Lock them up, make or demonstrate or 475 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: make an illustration out of them. You know, the cautionary tale. Gee, 476 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: I guess I better not carry a gun or I'm 477 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: going to have a problem on my hands. Gee. I 478 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: thought that's what law enforcement was supposed to be about. 479 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: One more was signal ninety nine coming up right now 480 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: at seven forty eight, fifty five KRCD Talks seven fifty 481 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: one Here fifty five KRCD Talk station, Very happy Friday 482 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: to you. A couple more minutes here with signal ninety nine. 483 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine. My phone's blowing up, So I got 484 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of people letting me know they're listening to 485 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: and getting thoroughly enlightened by your revelations here in the 486 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: morning show, and again follow her on Facebook. Signal ninety nine. 487 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: You're going to get these revelations almost on a daily basis. 488 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,160 Speaker 1: So boiled down, we have a wildly successful evidence gathering 489 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: program working when cooperating with the federal government using all 490 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: the data and resources they have. It's working well. It's 491 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: recognized nationally as working, and we wouldn't even need the 492 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: federal courts. But were it not for lax judges and 493 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: soft on crime judges in Hamilton County, Unfortunately, we do 494 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: have a venue in federal court to handle these matters. 495 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: There's you know, concurrent jurisdiction federal crimes and state crimes, 496 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: but there are federal crimes that were violated here, and 497 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: so why not just hall them into federal court where 498 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: you know they're going to get justice. But the reaction 499 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: from Cherah Long and the others in basically taking the 500 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: wind out of the sales of this award winning program 501 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: by replacing them all with a whole bunch of different people. 502 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: Are the people that they replace the creators with the 503 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: really experience since sint police professionals, are they incapable of 504 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: continuing the work at the Criminal Judge Intelligence Center or 505 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: were they placed in the position because they're not capable 506 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: of doing it and therefore or undermine the value of 507 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: having the program in place Signal ninety nine. 508 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: These these individuals were there from the inception of CIGIC. 509 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: You've got brains of intelligent analysts and supervisors and the 510 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 2: captains that have been moved out that are currently being 511 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: transferred out and send to places like youth services or patrol. 512 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: And it's ridiculous. It's a slap in the face. So 513 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 2: here's what I'm going to say, Brian, I'm talking to 514 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: Sheriff Stratton in Claremont County. I'm talking to Sheriff Jones 515 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: and Butler County. I'm talking to the corner of Hamilton County. 516 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: Can somebody step up and say, hey, you know what, 517 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: We'll take CIGIC. We'll take CIGIC. We will allow the 518 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: ATF and HSI will take their three point eight million 519 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: dollars that they pay for overtime a year for CIGICH 520 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: and all of the technology, and you can work out 521 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 2: of our department, and we'll just go ahead and hire 522 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: all of these brilliant people that are being transferred out 523 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: to get this division of SIEGIC under the CPD. Just 524 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 2: hire them, take them. We need it in the region. 525 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: It's not just Cincinnati. It's a regional gun crime intelligence center. 526 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: So I'm throwing that out there, so hopefully somebody is 527 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: willing to sit down with ATF and hs I and say, hey, 528 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: come on over here. We'd be happy to have you. 529 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: And I know that the people involved that are being 530 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: transferred out are just passionate enough that they would consider 531 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: weaving their careers with CPD if they could continue this 532 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 2: work somewhere else. 533 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: Fair enough. I know there's a four hire sign hanging 534 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: in a lot of police departments outside of Hamilton County 535 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: generally speaking, so there's some excellent opportunities maybe have a 536 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: more stable work life, actually make a decent salary, and 537 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: not have to deal with the political shenanigans and nonsense 538 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: coming out of city Hall here in the greater in 539 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Signal ninety nine. It has been a distinct pleasure 540 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: having here on the show, as it always is, and 541 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: I hope we can do this again. You know, it 542 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: will be nice a week where there aren't any revelations 543 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: that you show as you reveal on your page. Oh 544 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: my god, the world's a safe place. There's nothing to 545 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: talk about. You know, I'd still have you on. We 546 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: could talk about something that's less heady. But God bless 547 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: you for the work that you're doing on behalf of 548 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: all of the residents of the city of Cincinnati and 549 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: of course Hamilton County and beyond. And I'm sure that 550 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: Chief Washington, former Chief Washington, appreciates your support of him, 551 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: as do I. And just wait for it. I think 552 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: a big check's got to be written. Ninety nine. I 553 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: hope you have a wonderful weekend. I want to thank 554 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: you again for everything that you do for all of us. 555 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: Hey, Brian, can I tell you one more day? 556 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 557 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: My little birdies are telling me that Tony the Pillich 558 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: is thinked about overturning yet another murder conviction. So I 559 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: just want to ask you one question and then I'll 560 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: let you go. Don't you have to have actual integrity 561 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: to run and a conviction integrity unit. So that's my 562 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: big question for. 563 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: The day, the big concluding rhetorical question. As we've heard 564 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: company on a Friday, I have a wonderful weekend. We 565 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: will apparently be talking again soon, probably about that other things. 566 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: Take care of Signal ninety nine, don't go away. Navy 567 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: Seal former Navy Seal dom Man. He's got a new 568 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: book to talk about and how the Navy Seal played. 569 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: It's called The Name