1 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: There's never enough time, and we have but Chipskoggin's on 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: the program. There was much more to discuss. But I 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: think you can address this particular story that I I 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: believe is now official. But you can. You can, I 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: think phill in the gaps if there are any. So 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: as have the Gophers has a football program? Has your 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: favorite head of football coach hired Mike Shula as senior 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: offensive assistant? Is that that's what? That's what burns? He says, 9 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Burns, so that but that has not yet been 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: technically officially confirmed. I have the the football program. I 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: honestly don't know. 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I can look to see if there was a 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: release scent about it. 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: What is he? I guess I'm trying to translate. So 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: Mike Shula, of the famous Shula brand he has, he 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: was a head coach at Alabama. Was he the head 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: coach at Alabama when Mace beat him? I think he was. 18 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: I think he was. He's been all over the place, 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: right running not running franchises, but on the NFL level, 20 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: been with a number of teams as well. So does 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: he have a theory on what this represents, what this 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: might be about? If there's a specific a particular area 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: that Fleck thinks needs shoring up, or that he could 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: be particularly helpful on the basis of his experience. What 25 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: do we think or what is his theory if you 26 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: don't have any I. 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: Mean, the new arms race in college football, besides just 28 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: money for the players, has been for a long time. 29 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: These analysts that are technically not coaches on the field, 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: but they are people that can help with stuff. They're 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: basically an extra coach without being a coach, and they 32 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: help with game plans. They might help with certain film stuff. 33 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: Teams have analysts upon analysts upon analysts that just serve 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: as kind of assistance to the assistants. They're not technically 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: allowed to be part of the on field coaching staff, 36 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: but they're there. So that's I don't know if it's 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 2: a theory. I don't know if that's confirmed, but I 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: would imagine he's an extra set of eyes that has 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: a ton of experience that can help the offensive coordinator, 40 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks coach, the wide receivers coach. 41 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: And all of that. That would be my assumption. Okay, 42 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: so I thought it was an interesting name, and again, 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: does that change everything? Not necessarily, but I wondered if 44 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 1: it was a sign of Okay, there's something else we'd 45 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: like to shore up, or it was simply, we have 46 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity here, we have money for an ass of money. 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: Let's go do it and get that individual, because I 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: assume that job means different things in different programs in 49 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: terms of how you know involved they are across the board. 50 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: For years, Saban at Alabama, you would get fired. You'd 51 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: be a head coach somewhere. You get fired, right, yeah, 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 2: then you'd go. I think even Lane was an analyst. 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if he was an analyst, but I 54 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: know sark was. That's the that's the sequel. Okay, Steve 55 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 2: Sarkis had been fired from either USC or w Washing 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: and he goes to Tuscal loose to just be an 57 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: extra set of eyes. Lane Kiffin gets the old miss 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: job I think or Florida Atlantic. It must have been 59 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: that during the college football playoff, and Saban doesn't like 60 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 2: that he's distracted, so he fires yeah true. 61 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: Tells him go be the coach. 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: That's fine, and then just elevates Stark like so that 63 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: Saban would have this panel of old coaches that had 64 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: been fired, and the bit is you're getting like Shruly 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 2: just got fired in November from wherever he was, so 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure he got a nice buy a true. Yes, 67 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: so he's probably coming one hundred grand or Kyler Murray 68 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: deal kind of yeah. Yeah, that's what a lot of 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: these fired coaches. Yeah, yes, so that's kind of the bit. 70 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: There to an eight guy listening to our conversation with 71 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: Chip Skoggin's start Tobune. The same local media that gives 72 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: the hockey program grief for not playing an elite level 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: gives the fans grief for expecting a better hire. I 74 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: actually think there's something to that. I know, the fashionable 75 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: thing in media circles is to mock and ridicule the 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: expectations of the Gopher hockey fan, and that there's this 77 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: belief that they're delusional about what they might expect. The 78 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: analogy has been advanced that it's not that different than 79 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: Nebraska football fans. They continue to think unrealistically about what 80 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: they can be. But look, I'm not here to say 81 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: whether this was a good hire or not. It may 82 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: end up being the best hire ever. But I also 83 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: think I'll say again, I mean, it wasn't like I 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: was a calling from Mosco's head. But I also add 85 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 1: that regardless of the ups and the downs and who's 86 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: leaving and who's going all that sort of thing, when 87 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: you have the worst season from a win loss standpoint, 88 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: University of Minnesota since I think like nineteen seventy one 89 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: seventy two, there's going to be some questions regardless of 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: what has you know, what what you have over the 91 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: course of your resume. And so there is some truth 92 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: to this that there certainly was grumbling about the I 93 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: think criticism about, you know, the depths to which the 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: program had fallen, that maybe it was going to be 95 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: an immediate bounce back year. Maybe that was the gap 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: year from Moscow. I don't know, but I don't think 97 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: it's out of the question to wonder whether the U 98 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: is thinking big enough now. Again, I don't know who 99 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: else might have been available. I think the Augustana story 100 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: isn't that coach? How do you pronounce his last name? 101 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: Garrett is a pronounce we're boying? Do you know how 102 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: to think that's right? He got the Rabs nickname, that's easier. 103 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: I don't think. I think two things can be true. 104 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: One that the University Minnesota Hockey fans might live in 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: the past too much and not understand that there are 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: a lot more viable programs than there used to be. 107 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: I think you can believe that that's true and that 108 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: those fans need to get more realistic, But at the 109 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: same time, say, well, that's a little concerning that a 110 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: coach at Augustana with ties to here decides to stay there. Now, 111 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: a couple of people have texted they got these They've 112 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: got a fat cat who's supplying all kinds of nil money, 113 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: and that's already in place, and that might be part 114 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: of it, but let's be clear, it still feels a 115 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: little to me, as an outsider, a little strange that 116 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: even if the University of Minnesota isn't in the place 117 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: it once was, that it can't draw the interest of 118 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: a coach in that situation. I don't know if there's 119 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: any other backstory. I have no idea whether there is, 120 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: But I don't think you have to necessarily be a 121 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 1: delusional fan to grumble a little bit or wonder you 122 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I don't think that's that outlandish. 123 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that's an example of these stupid, delusional 124 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: fans always going knee jerk, they're unrealistic about their expectations, 125 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: et cetera. I'm not sure I buy that necessarily. 126 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Also because I look at it's kind of interesting and 127 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: I know and on the men's side, the success was 128 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: earlier in Saint Cloud than it has been recently. And 129 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: maybe and I'm sure Saint Cloud. I mean, we've talked 130 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: about the issues Roycey just wrote about it. Yeah, the 131 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: issues that Saint Cloud's having as a school. They have 132 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: a great basketball program. There's ten people going to these games, 133 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: and I don't know if there were huge attendance numbers. 134 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the thing to to. 135 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: Talk about, but they're having issues just as a school 136 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: that might be factoring into why things weren't as good 137 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: on the hockey side the last few years. But it 138 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: is interesting that these two hires for hockey seem a 139 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: little different than the two hires that he just made 140 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: consecutively back to back for basketball, where he went out 141 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: and hired like established proven wherever they go, they win, 142 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: and these are these feel more wild CARDI. 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: Which I think is why. Yes, it's exactly the hockey 144 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: community is Yeah, from the same program and the other 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: being a head coach, but at a place where you 146 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: feel like, well, yeah, is this where we should be drawing? Well, 147 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: I said this one, was it yesterday or yeah? Because 148 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: you weren't in yesterday, right correct, you were on, but 149 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: you weren't in so because somebody was saying, well, you know, uh, 150 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: you're you're you're letting the ad off the hook too 151 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: easily for the original hires of Ben Johnson and and 152 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: Whalen Well. What I said then is I'll stick with today. 153 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: The way it works in the hiring and firing business, 154 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about a general manager in pro sports 155 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: or an athletic director in college sports, is if you 156 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: if you last more than a minute, you're probably going 157 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: to have more than one chance to hire a given 158 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 1: the coach and a given sport right now. In a 159 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: perfect world, you make one hire and you never have 160 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: to look back. But that doesn't always happen. So the end, 161 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: it's perfectly legitimate to evaluate the hires that failed that 162 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: ultimately led to the departures the same ad saying it's 163 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: not working out here. But in the end, how are 164 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: they going to be evaluated? Any of them, including coil Well. 165 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: I didn't really like I thought on Whylan. You know 166 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: that was a little early. I thought on Ben Johnson 167 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: as little early. You could believe that. But in the end, 168 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: the way the resume is going to look and the 169 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: outlook on Coil as an ad is going to play 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: out is I didn't love what he did, but the 171 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: second second bite at the apple looks like he's done good. Right. 172 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: That's always the way it's going to be, And it's 173 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: doubly bad if you do it a second time and 174 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: you fail, and then you're probably in the area where 175 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: you go. I don't know if you're going to get 176 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: a third shot, depending on the job that you're talking 177 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: about here, and we can talk about Fleck forever. That's 178 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: a different subject. But in the end, it's you can 179 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: pretty much determine which way the narrative is going to 180 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: go on the basis of the success the second time around. 181 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not here to say that Don Pilitze why 182 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: should get a lifetime deal. I'm certainly not here to 183 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: say that Nico's proved everything yet. I think we're a 184 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: long way from here to there, and we tend to 185 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: get excited, probably too fast, But I do think in 186 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: the amount of time we've had both those coaches here. 187 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: The signs are promising that these hires do represent what 188 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: you say, less WILDCARDI more, you know, established that they 189 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: know how to coach, and they just have to prove 190 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: that they can keep enough talent to take full advantage 191 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: of what their coaching seems to suggest. That's the way 192 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: it works in this business, isn't it. And you're gonna 193 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: make You're gonna make wrong decisions, Yes, it's how you 194 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: respond to them and make up for them. It's like 195 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: trades you can make. You're gonna make a bad trade 196 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: occasionally as a general manager. Well all right, but then 197 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: what what about the one to rectify the bad trade? 198 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: Or do you trade away the player you got that 199 00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: you thought was going to be better than he was 200 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: and you end up up getting somebody back. It's always 201 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: about the second or third move. Usually you're going to 202 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: get a few chess moves before either the you know, 203 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: the school president or the owner is going to say 204 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: you're out of here. 205 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: I would also add, in the ten years that Coyle 206 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: has been here, his job has probably changed like three 207 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 2: different times, and probably the college landscape. That's true because 208 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: I think about the Ben Johnson hire, for example, he 209 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: was brought in to do it a very specific way. 210 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: If you remember when he got hired, it was Ben's 211 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: a guy who's going to connect with the locals. He's 212 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 2: going to develop guys. Yeah, he's going to build this 213 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: thing the way that he with Minnesota kids that are 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: going to grow and develop. And if you look at 215 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 2: his second or last team, that's what he had kind 216 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: of done. Right when you have Farrel Payne, you have Dawston, Garcia, 217 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: Parker Fox is obviously part of it. And then that 218 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: world that maybe ten years ago, if Ben did that, 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 2: all those guys would have stayed for four years and 220 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: you'd be talking about probably an NCAA tournament team the 221 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: next year. Were close that second to last year, probably 222 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: one or two wins away. And so that completely flipped. 223 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 2: And now you know, we can argue about shit. You 224 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: you can't hire a guy that's going to be learning 225 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: on the job. But my point is like even with 226 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 2: the Whalen deal, that was a total wildcard of this 227 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: is an all time legend who wants to get into coaching. 228 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a shot to see if she 229 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: can wake up the echoes totally. And fairness to her, 230 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: the two players that she recruited in that top ten 231 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: recruiting class. One of them tied the game at sixty 232 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: one the other night and the other one won it. 233 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: And she's in the top ten of basically every career 234 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: category in women's basketball. And I have battles who I'm 235 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: talking about now. Was she the right person to coach 236 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: up the group to get the best out of them? 237 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably not right, and that's what Mark decided 238 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: and brought in someone who clearly has done that for sure. 239 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: One other quick text competition is getting better, sure, but 240 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: they meeting. The Gofers have made two national title games 241 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: appearances in recent years, so it's hard to call them 242 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: Nebraska football at this point. That's another very fair point. 243 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: That's the problem with the analogy. There may be some 244 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: delusion among Golden Gopher hockey fans because I think there's 245 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: some feeling that there are too many people calling all 246 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: season from Mosco's head, and that might well be delusional. 247 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: But it's a flawed analogy with Nebraska in that sense, 248 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: in that you could say, go for hockey fans are delusional, 249 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: But this program's not that far removed from still playing 250 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: at the very highest levels, which means you are still 251 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: going to have pretty high standards, and I think have 252 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: a right to expect and not be called delusional that 253 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: you're going to stay on a level close to that. 254 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: Nebraska has not come close in football to doing what 255 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: its fans continue to believe might be well around the corner. 256 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: Let's pause bottom of the hour break. Don't forget Doctor 257 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: Dan's inbox open at five thirty today. Email Guardsy for 258 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: your with your contributions. Jg at KFA N dot Van 259 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of an excessive, I think over the top comment 260 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: from Tony Kornheiser, probably the last time he joined us 261 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: on this show. It's been a long time. It has 262 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: been since Tony has been on the program. Do you 263 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: have on more recently but not in the case of Kornheiser? 264 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: Do we have them looking for the calendar calamity sounder? 265 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: I thought I had it on. That's on a Is 266 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: it on a top second? Columns the Minnesota sports calendar 267 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: of calamity Dan Minnesota Dan Weunesota reminds us that on 268 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: this day in Minnesota sports history, speaking of Golden Golfer 269 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: men's hockey, a moment that will forever live an infamy. 270 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: I just texted you the audio. Maybe we can, indeed 271 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: on the fly see if you can get that rat 272 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: first to play. Oh you haven't any I don't know 273 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: if you had the long version, yes, which is because 274 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: I think the long version sets it up very, very nicely. 275 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: This was the holy Cross student radio call correct of 276 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: Golden Golphers versus holy Cross in the first round of 277 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: the nc Double A men's hockey tournament in Well, twenty 278 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: years ago. Twenty years ago today, it's only able to 279 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: regroup that it's poked away by Burke, who takes over. 280 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: Which is it up? 281 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: Ahead to McGregor, holy Cross coming down with a three 282 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: on two greg Her from the right side, centering feet. Yeah, yeah, 283 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: holy down puts it past all right, and handy Boss 284 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: has knocked at the Minnesota go the cop first. 285 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Are you kamu? Are you a hop Yeah? 286 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness is not going home? Yes, nay as 287 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: just fifty three seconds is over time, as the Holy 288 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 3: Cluster sayers mobbing Tyler McGregor and Tony Casata. 289 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: It's the second chance, it's the second effort and it 290 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: goes up. Do you believe in miracle? Yes? 291 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 3: I do. 292 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: God here it is. 293 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: Broy Cross has shot. 294 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Home. And of course that year the Holy Cross went 295 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: on to win the insta Well, no, not that really 296 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: did they lose the next game? I don't even remember. 297 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: I take to North Dakota. That's what the Grand Forks. Remember. 298 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: We had that guy on the play by play voice 299 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: year years ago for the fifteen I think it was. 300 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: It was either the ten or the fifteen. I think 301 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: it was the ten. It goes fast, man, it's unbelievable. 302 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: I got in trouble for that. Oh so people at 303 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: the U weren't happy that we were revisiting. It's not 304 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: your fault. No, I know you can always blame me, 305 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: which I'm sure you often do. 306 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: No, I actually defended you, and I said, we got 307 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: a well it's history. I go. 308 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: We got to have a little more security, yes, said, 309 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: we got to buck up a little bit, because the 310 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: best part was it must have been fifteen because Motscow 311 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 2: was the coach, if I remember right at the time, 312 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 2: and we we found the guy. He's like a you know, 313 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: he works on Wall Street or something in New York. 314 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 2: And I found him somehow and said, hey, my chance, 315 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: are you this guy? He was great? 316 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: That was he was actually very good. It was alright, 317 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: and he talked about you know what a big deal 318 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: was about. They didn't have to buy a beer in 319 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: Grand Forks as college kids the rest of the weekend. 320 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because the discussion and celebration of 321 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: college media is all the rage again, Yes, because of 322 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: the play by play call. Was it high Point high Point? Yes, 323 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: the high Point victory. And you got video and audio 324 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: of the high Point radio station broadcaster and color analysts 325 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: losing their minds right as high Point. Who they be 326 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: Wisconsin's Wisconsin. You're right, that's why you loved it. That's 327 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: why I remember it, And that's exactly why I remember it. 328 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: And in fact, I think the play by play guys 329 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: appeared on a decent number of programs as well, right, 330 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: pretty much on everything. And somebody was it the coach 331 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: of that team or was it somebody else was saluting 332 00:18:52,680 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: just college newspaper reporters and broadcasters in general. Correct, that was. 333 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: The VCU coach Martelli, Phil Martelli's kid, I'm the old 334 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: Saint Joe's coach. That's it, basically saying in the press conference, 335 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: shout out to these guys. They've been here all season. 336 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: They're paying their own way to get here. We appreciate it. 337 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: Here's my question that has never been successfully answered. Where 338 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: was all that celebrating of the student newspaper, reporters traveling 339 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: with the team, covering every game, and the broadcasters being 340 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: with the team when little Danny Barrero, a junior at 341 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: Indiana University, is tracking the men's basketball team undefeated to 342 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: the what was then called I think it was called 343 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: either the Mid East I think it was the Mid 344 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: East Regional and it took place in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. 345 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: I think you do you remember the story I've told 346 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: you about what happened there. I don't, don't. I know 347 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: we're covering where the deal is. Back then, the Daily 348 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: Student was a six day a week newspaper. The only 349 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: day I didn't publish was Sunday, and I want to 350 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: say the semi final they were playing I think they 351 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: were playing University of Alabama, and then they had to 352 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: play Marquette to win the regional. So I think we 353 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: got we get to the arena to watch practice, get ready, 354 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: and then there's always that curiosity of okay, what's our 355 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: media setup like we have? This was typewriter days. We 356 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: got a typewriters, and we're gonna we so we need 357 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: what any other reporter does on that occasion, and that's 358 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: what a table in front of you. Because in those days, 359 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: press rooms were not as established as a thing, and 360 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: it was pretty much you set up wherever your seat 361 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: in the arena a long press row might be. And 362 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: I was concer earned about, okay, well, let's see where 363 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: they have us to see if there's a spot that 364 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: has a table. And I find the spot. We're like 365 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: about three rows into the crowd and it's just seats 366 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: regular you know, spectator seats. Not gonna work, Not gonna work. 367 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: I go back into the athletic director's office at LSU. 368 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: I can still remember that name. I can remember Paul Manassa. 369 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: That was the guy, Paul Nassa. And I said, because 370 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: I think beforehand he had assured us, no, no, you're set, 371 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: we got you. You'll be in a good position whatsoever. Well, 372 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: immediately see we're not on the floor like everybody else is. 373 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: And we had been for other uh events, other games 374 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: leading up to that, and would even for the final 375 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: four we had we were at press row. This will 376 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: go again, obviously goes back a long time I'm like 377 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: the mid seventies. So I barge into his office, department office. Basically, 378 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm yellow, where's And I said, and I'm not proud 379 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: of it. I'm not gonna lie, but I said, because 380 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: he had been very reassurant, and I said, you lied 381 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: to me. He goes, what are you talking about? 382 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 2: What you? 383 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: First of all, who are you? And I had to 384 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: reintroduce myself and I said, you lied to me. Man. 385 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: You said we would have a table from which to work. 386 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: We are on deadline. We're not the New York Times. 387 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: You know, we get it. We're not the Indianapolis Star. 388 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: But we're on deadline. We've got night deadlines. We we 389 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: are a six day a week newspaper. And put my 390 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: typewriter on my lap. What are you doing? And he 391 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,239 Speaker 1: didn't like. He did not enjoy it, did not like it, 392 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: to the point where we're drawing back and forth. The 393 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: other guy, the other reporter for the Daily Student, now gone, unfortunately, 394 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: the late great Mike Siroki. He's looking like he's gonna 395 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: he's terrified by the whole situation. I'm just trying to 396 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: stand up for us because I you, you know, it's 397 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: so ironic. About all the celebration of student publications, because 398 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: then it felt very much like you had to explain 399 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: your side. Who are you? What are he wants a week? 400 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we're not gonna make a big deal. You 401 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: don't cover the team. No, we've covered every game home 402 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: and away the whole season, at least one of us did. 403 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: And we're screaming back and forth, and one of his 404 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: minions grabs me and starts to basically says, get out 405 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: of here. I'm throwing you out of this arena. And 406 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: we're about he's about halfway through the concourse, and then 407 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: he tries to settle it down and say, look, this 408 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: is unnecessary, let's not go crazy. And they assured us 409 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: that we would have a table game night. Did we 410 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: have a table? I'm no. What we had was are 411 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you old enough to have the old fashioned desks where 412 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: the chair was connected to the table? Yeah, elementary school, 413 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: Sure efftly we had a table, but it was like 414 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: about as wide as this iPad, for God's sake, and 415 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: at that point there wasn't anything else that we could do. 416 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: So I, more than most people, I appreciate the respect 417 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: being shown student publications that still show up and are 418 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: there because they do do the work. They really do. 419 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: They may they may not be as far along and 420 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: all that stuff none of us were, but they do 421 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: the work. And back then it was like I could 422 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: tell what it was is in the South, that there 423 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: was nothing but disdain for student publications. It was almost like, well, 424 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: they don't go with anybody on the games. They don't 425 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: really what do they really do? It's kind of a lark. 426 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no, no, We've been covering this 427 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: team from day one. I wanted to get Bob Knight involved, 428 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I'm not exactly sure he would have 429 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: been on my side, and probably not what he should 430 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: be working on. Right before the Sweet sixteen or the 431 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: Elite eight didn't matter. They were undefeated, they were not 432 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: gonna lik He would have had the time exactly. So 433 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: do you wish then? This sounds a little wnba of you. 434 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: Do you think that the student reporters would and they 435 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: are shouted out by coaches and media, do you think 436 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 2: they should pause and thank those that came before them 437 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: that fought these brave battles. 438 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: It's a great idea. You hadn't saw you that they should? 439 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: You're right, guy, like you going into office like that, Well, 440 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: you check to see if he's still right, but I 441 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: want to manassa. I never anytime i'd see him after 442 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: that in my professional career, I could never get past it. 443 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: Every just every time I saw his face. That's what 444 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: I saw, a guy who was utterly disrespectful and contemptuous 445 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: of all. We weren't asking for special treatment. We were 446 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: just asking for the same thing. Every other god fearing 447 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: reporter had a table an opportunity then to actually cover 448 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: the event in earnest, just like we had done, just 449 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: like everybody else was trying to do LSU media relations. 450 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's he's probably passed on because I think 451 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: he was pretty advanced even then. Couldn't have been more 452 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: condescending about the whole thing. That's too Bad's break here 453 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: and when we come back, we get to some text, 454 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: we'll get caught up. We have Top five at five 455 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: yet to go. The inbox will be opened at a 456 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: five thirty as well. Don't go where email guardsyjgcafe dot com. 457 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: It's an early in the week edition of Sunday Sermons. 458 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: I should say Sunday Sermons. No, that's Sunday I feels 459 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: like a Sunday Sermons song. It actually does. It feels 460 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: like a ease into your Sunday song. It does very 461 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: very true, and it's safe for use. It sure is interesting. Yeah, No, 462 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Dan's Inbox is a Thursday fixture, but Guardsy is 463 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: out the rest of the week tracking going to go 464 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: for women's basketball on the West coast, Sacramento, California. So 465 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: we're including that in the bit at five point thirty 466 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: this evening JJ at kfa N dot com. Mile I 467 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: guess this is a combination done as a society and 468 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: bumper to bumper seal of approval for the reporter who 469 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: identified this particular done as item. Lure Goose was just 470 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: in studio what a week or two ago about his 471 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: new book. Yeah, it's already out Mastermind, Mastermind, good name, Catchy. 472 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:37,479 Speaker 1: This was from three days ago. I don't know if 473 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: you caught this or not. Minnesota's legislature gave one million 474 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: dollars in taxpayer money to a nonprofit that was already 475 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: ordered to pay back one point one million dollars of 476 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: taxpayer money that the state Department of Education identified as 477 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: fraudulently obtained through the federal Child Nutrition program. Now, he 478 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: is quick to point out that the New American Development 479 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: Center did not fall under Feeding our Future. It was 480 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: a meal site sponsor, just like Feeding Our Future, but 481 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: the only two meal sites it sponsored were its own, 482 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: claiming two point nine million meals served for seven point 483 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: eight billion dollars. So repeat, Minnesota legislature gave another one 484 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: million dollars in taxpayer money. Now, I know that sounds 485 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: like chicken feed compared to the numbers that are being 486 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: thrown around on a regular basis, but it should be 487 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: the principle of the thing one million dollars in taxpayer 488 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: money to a nonprofit that had already been ordered to 489 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: pay back one point one million dollars of taxpayer money 490 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: that the state Department of Education identified as fraudulently obtained 491 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: through the federal child nutrition program. It never ends, and 492 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: I think one of the legislators who led it through 493 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: acknowledged that she didn't know about that. She wouldn't have 494 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: done it if she'd have known about this other issue. Honestly, 495 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: it's like, I sincerely wish that the people who run 496 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: this state, and we know who they are, the people 497 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: who run this state would be as aggressive and deliberate 498 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: and as determined in holding people and places responsible on 499 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: these stories, as they have been attempting to hold the 500 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,479 Speaker 1: federal government responsible for all the ice nonsense. We're really 501 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,719 Speaker 1: good at that, and by the way, I applaud it. 502 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: But how about the concept of being as unforgiving and 503 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: no nonsense, and again as as as determined and aggressive 504 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to this ongoing, never ending fraud story 505 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: in all of its various incantations. How about showing the 506 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: same aggressiveness and we're not going to take no for 507 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: an answer, and we're going to hold people accountable, and 508 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: we're going to hold a court organizations accountable. We have 509 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: nowhere near the stomach and interest in it. And that's 510 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: too bad because we could use some of that same 511 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: approach and aggressiveness. All right, yeah, oh yeah, I guess 512 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: that's true. No one told me, and I just shake 513 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: my head and I'm going, can you have any greater 514 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: example of just how cavalier too many officials have been 515 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: with it with our money and again, our money going 516 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: to the right places to nurture the notion that we 517 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: are a generous people, that we want to give, that 518 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: we want the money to get to the proper places 519 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: but we see example of our after example that it's 520 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: more important just to demonstrate our generosity in a performative sense, 521 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: apparently than it is to actually find out whether the 522 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: money is ending up in the hands of the people 523 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: that it's supposed to be in. You don't have any 524 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: sort of built in check and balance to say, well, 525 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: here's another mill. There's nothing automatic that says, well, what 526 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: else do we need to know about that organization? These 527 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: folks don't have staff that could attempt to research those 528 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: kinds of issues. This isn't a second guess now where 529 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: it's easy after the fact when we're talking about in 530 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: totality the amount of money that has been drained in 531 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: that regard, and it's clearly bigger than the number that 532 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: the start Debune continues to want to go with. Take 533 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: that from lou Raguse among others. So I trust on 534 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: this story. What are we doing? And as I said, 535 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: eventually somebody who's willing to follow the story no matter 536 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: who it hurts politically, when they do the book, my 537 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: guess is we're going to find out it's exponentially worse 538 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: than we even thought because we made it too easy 539 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 1: to state to say, I'll just run another check. Yeah 540 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: a million? Yeah, why not? And guess what? The bad 541 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: guys figure that out. It doesn't take them long to say, 542 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: let's worry about it later. We might get caught, but 543 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: there's a good chance we won't, and by then we 544 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: might have been able to, you know, smug a lot 545 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: of billion dollars. Who cares? So congratulations to Radose. It's 546 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: a done ass item for sure, but it's uh, I'm 547 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: gonna try to find the direct quote. Yeah, if I'd 548 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: have known that, we wouldn't have released that money. It's 549 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: just how's that for a check in of balance? 550 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 2: Laughing? 551 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: I shouldn't laugh, because it's just so per possible. You 552 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: laugh to keep from crying, is what you do. Top 553 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: five to five. 554 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: I've got a Wolves update in advance of their big 555 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: game against the Houston Rockets. We've got some while to 556 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 2: discuss and a huge upset already at the state high 557 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 2: school boys basketball tournament.