Speaker 1: You gotta stick together. There's Radio seven hundred WLW Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for Scott Sloan today and for the entire week,
Speaker 1: so looking forward to that. I'll tell you what. There's
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. I guess the first thing
Speaker 1: here is the weather. It's unbelievable. Yesterday got up into
Speaker 1: that like almost high sixties. I halfway contemplated getting my
Speaker 1: convertible out and driving around, but at the end of
Speaker 1: the day I didn't do it. But man, I got
Speaker 1: socked with it walking out the door today. But hey,
Speaker 1: that's Cincinnati. That's why there are so many people here
Speaker 1: that get colds, I think. But one of the things
Speaker 1: that's going on, and what we've talked about this a
Speaker 1: lot on my Saturday show, is the situation in Minnesota
Speaker 1: with just the unbelievable ram but fraud that's going on there,
Speaker 1: and it is now up to by most people's count,
Speaker 1: at least nine billion. That's billion with a be, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's our money. Most of it's federal, some of
Speaker 1: its state. If it's federal, I mean literally, it's coming
Speaker 1: out of our pockets and it just gets worse. Hey,
Speaker 1: I got a clip I want to play for you
Speaker 1: here what this is. Let me set it up. There's
Speaker 1: a podcaster. He's also an independent journalist, Nick Shirley. Apparently
Speaker 1: he's pretty popular podcaster. I've not seen his show yet.
Speaker 1: He's on this thing like white on Rice. He shows
Speaker 1: up to this daycare center in Minneapolis that's getting I
Speaker 1: think about four million bucks from the government. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna play the clip. Obviously it's it would be better
Speaker 1: on TV, but you still get the gist of it.
Speaker 1: He shows up with a camera at this place. It's
Speaker 1: the something Learning Quality Learning Center. The only problem is
Speaker 1: they learning l EA R I N G. So I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of learning goes on there. But
Speaker 1: if you could play that clip please, if.
Speaker 2: Fraud is taking place within the government and the Somali
Speaker 2: population here, this building alone, quality learning center is a daycare.
Speaker 2: Yet they spelt learning wrong and they said leering. This
Speaker 2: daycare alone, in twenty twenty five has received one point
Speaker 2: nine million dollars from the government. And the strange things
Speaker 2: about these childcare centers is there's no one here right now.
Speaker 1: It's midday on a weekday, and if you were to.
Speaker 2: Try to go inside, it's completely closed and the windows
Speaker 2: are all blacked out. No one's working midday children should
Speaker 2: be in here, and this place is licensed for ninety
Speaker 2: nine children. And this is the outside. There's no windows,
Speaker 2: no nothing. And like I said, they literally spelt the
Speaker 2: word wrong on their sign. This is open and blatant
Speaker 2: fraud taking place here inside of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: The government is complicit with this.
Speaker 2: And this is just one of the hundreds of child
Speaker 2: daycare centers here inside of Minneapolis being ran by the
Speaker 2: Somali population. It's sad that it's happening here in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: and instinks that's happening and it's being labeled on the
Speaker 2: Smali population. However, that's just the facts of what's happening
Speaker 2: here inside of Minnesota. One point nine million dollars for
Speaker 2: this daycare center that can't even spell learning, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. It would be funny if it
Speaker 1: weren't so sad. He's talking about one point nine million.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's limited to that that learning center.
Speaker 1: I guess you're gonna do some leering there, not learning.
Speaker 1: And it's four million bucks altogether for whatever the I
Speaker 1: think there's two or three of them combined. But I mean,
Speaker 1: either way, it's incredible, just the the HUTSPA to try
Speaker 1: to pull something like that off. And you know, you
Speaker 1: ask yourself the question, at least I have a million times,
Speaker 1: how could this happen? How could this happen? And it
Speaker 1: did happen, obviously, But how come somebody didn't do anything
Speaker 1: about it? I mean, that's what's amazing. You talk about
Speaker 1: Tim Waltz, the governor. Frankly, I think he's a buffoon,
Speaker 1: and he proved himself to be a buffoon in the
Speaker 1: presidential election. Of course, he was Kamala's VP running mate.
Speaker 1: You're not going to tell me he didn't know about this.
Speaker 1: It's incredible. Hey, there's a group that is called the
Speaker 1: Center for Immigration Studies, respected group. I think it's been
Speaker 1: around for I don't know quite a while, it's been
Speaker 1: I think since nineteen eighty five. Well, they did a
Speaker 1: deep dive into this thing. Here's the thing. Some people
Speaker 1: on the left and in Minnesota that are I guess,
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, sticking up for the
Speaker 1: people that are involved in this. And you know, you
Speaker 1: knew they would say, well, this is horrible. You know,
Speaker 1: you're all jumping on these Somali citizens there, you know,
Speaker 1: these poor you know, uh, with good and tensions immigrants,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But just take a listen
Speaker 1: to this for a minute. Okay, again, this is the
Speaker 1: Center for Immigration Studies. They found that, and I would
Speaker 1: challenge if you want, because I did it too. Look
Speaker 1: check it out, Center for Immigration Studies. Okay. They found
Speaker 1: out that eighty one percent of Somali headed households in
Speaker 1: Minnesota use one or more forms of welfare. Eighty one percent.
Speaker 1: So here's the breakdown. Twenty seven percent of that eighty
Speaker 1: one is they're on cash welfare, fifty four percent that's
Speaker 1: not part of the eighty one are on food stamps,
Speaker 1: seventy three percent on medicaid, and for households with children,
Speaker 1: the numbers are even higher. Eighty nine percent on welfare,
Speaker 1: eighty six percent on Medicaid, sixty two percent on food stamps,
Speaker 1: twenty three percent on cash welfare. Now, what they did
Speaker 1: they compared that to the situation with public assistance and
Speaker 1: welfare to native born Minnesotans, not people that have come
Speaker 1: into the country recently. They compared it and obviously the
Speaker 1: native born Minnesotans have a much lower rate twenty one
Speaker 1: percent on any welfare six percent on cash welfare. The
Speaker 1: question is this then, I mean people are being criticized,
Speaker 1: people on the right, Republicans for taking shots at the
Speaker 1: Somali community there. Well, I mean, you just heard the numbers.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do that? You know, we don't have
Speaker 1: to like every group that trespasses into our country. And
Speaker 1: you know, Trump said it, and he caught all kinds
Speaker 1: of crap ford this. This is a population that is
Speaker 1: doing nothing positive for our country. And I think if
Speaker 1: there were some examples of that, and I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: probably some minor examples, but if it were a big deal,
Speaker 1: you'd be hearing about it. You'd be hearing about it.
Speaker 1: And you know, the whole thing is you just keep
Speaker 1: asking yourself, how could this have gone on? Janie Heisel
Speaker 1: is a reporter for The Epic Times, And if you're
Speaker 1: not familiar with the EPO Epic Times Epoch, you should be.
Speaker 1: It's a great publication. Been around a couple of years now.
Speaker 1: Janis former local reporter here in Cincinnati, is a senior correspondent.
Speaker 1: She has been assigned this whole thing, the whole Minnesota deal.
Speaker 1: She's been out there, She's interviewed people, newt Gingrich even
Speaker 1: commented on her reporting that her reporting is right on,
Speaker 1: and she's doing a public service by doing what she's doing.
Speaker 1: At any rate, she's a frequent guest, it's been almost
Speaker 1: every week now on my Saturday show, and she's got
Speaker 1: it nailed. And some of the things that she is seeing,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I mean again, people say, well,
Speaker 1: we didn't know this was going on. That's just really
Speaker 1: just a hard thing to stomach. So we have not
Speaker 1: seen or heard the last of it. It's only going
Speaker 1: to get worse at some point, at some point, either
Speaker 1: the FEDS or the state. The FEDS more likely, I
Speaker 1: think they're going to start looking at the governor and
Speaker 1: some of the other elected officials, the AG being one
Speaker 1: of them, for some potential criminal charges. There is no
Speaker 1: evidence yet none, and I want to be clear about that,
Speaker 1: that anybody's stuffing money into their pockets. But in criminal law,
Speaker 1: and I've leave in the federal Code too, there is
Speaker 1: provision for something called gross negligence, where someone an elected official,
Speaker 1: for example, can be indicted and charged with that if
Speaker 1: their negligence in office was so bad that it gets
Speaker 1: close to crossing the line into some kind of theft situation.
Speaker 1: You know, Tim Wultz's a buffoon. I don't know him.
Speaker 1: I know of him just from the reporting, I don't
Speaker 1: think and I'd be surprised if he was shoving money
Speaker 1: in his pocket. I think he just thinks, you know,
Speaker 1: all these people they need help, blah blah blah. You
Speaker 1: know if they cheat a little bit, you know, too bad.
Speaker 1: Well that ain't gonna cut it either. Anyway. It gets
Speaker 1: worse as a day goes on. But we're gonna stay
Speaker 1: on it. Let's do this. Let me take a short
Speaker 1: break and then we'll be back. Mike Allen in for
Speaker 1: Sloaney seven hundred WLW all week. You know, talking about
Speaker 1: this Minnesota thing. As I said, you ain't heard the
Speaker 1: last of it. Just a few more things from there.
Speaker 1: For immigration studies, some of the disparities. Sixty six percent
Speaker 1: of Somali refugees live in or near poverty versus twenty
Speaker 1: percent of native born Minnesotans. Again, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can get on people, at least individually for
Speaker 1: being in poverty unless you know they can work, and
Speaker 1: they don't. But sixty six percent of the Somali refugees
Speaker 1: live in or near poverty, versus twenty percent of native
Speaker 1: born Minnesotans. The language barrier. Sixty percent of Somali refugees
Speaker 1: speak English poorly. Forty percent lack a high school diploma.
Speaker 1: The reason for saying that is to point out that
Speaker 1: the people that are saying, and they do this all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, they are a huge part of
Speaker 1: the community. They contribute blah blah blah. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: I've been following this. Janis Heisel of the Epic Times
Speaker 1: has been following this, and to the best of my knowledge,
Speaker 1: I've not heard one example, not one. And again, you
Speaker 1: know you can say, well, Mike, you know they're African
Speaker 1: American or their Islamic and therefore you are a racist
Speaker 1: or in an an islamophobe. No, no, I think a
Speaker 1: person is in their rights to say this community, they're
Speaker 1: just not helping, because that is the case with the
Speaker 1: Somali community. The other thing too, and this thing hasn't
Speaker 1: been fully investigated yet. But yesterday I believe the FBI
Speaker 1: cash Battel said he is directing the resources of the
Speaker 1: investigatory resources of the FBI to this. And I heard
Speaker 1: somebody squealing about, well, this is just a big political
Speaker 1: play Now I'm sorry. You know, when you're talking about
Speaker 1: nine billion dollars and counting, and frankly, I mean my
Speaker 1: opinion is it's going to go way beyond that. No,
Speaker 1: it's not stern something up for political purposes. And you
Speaker 1: know here's another thing too, And we have got coming
Speaker 1: on Alex Trant to feel you. I believe Alex is
Speaker 1: going to be on at eleven thirty this morning. He
Speaker 1: is the chair of the Ohio GOP. I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask him. Okay, Tim Waltz was the was Kamala Harris's
Speaker 1: choice to be his running mate for vice president. Now,
Speaker 1: I always thought, and my experience has been for something
Speaker 1: like that, potentially, you know, if something horrible happens to
Speaker 1: the president, the highest office in the country, but if
Speaker 1: that isn't the case, vice president the second highest office,
Speaker 1: if you will, you would have a proper, complete and
Speaker 1: full vetting of the situation. You know, they go out
Speaker 1: and hire law firms, They spend buku hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of bucks, probably millions of bucks to get that person vetted.
Speaker 1: And how could they have missed this situation that's cooking
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I mean, maybe they didn't and maybe they
Speaker 1: said Hey, commally, you know, you need to know that
Speaker 1: this is potentially out there, and she just said, I
Speaker 1: ain't worried about it. It's really I mean, Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: answer problems, Lord knows, but it's really hard for me
Speaker 1: to believe that she would have been that negligent in
Speaker 1: doing that. So I think that's a question that needs
Speaker 1: to be answered. Doesn't really make a lot of difference
Speaker 1: at this point, but there's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: are curious about it and talking about Waltz. He's running
Speaker 1: for reelection. This would be his third term. I guess
Speaker 1: they don't have term limits for state elected office like
Speaker 1: we have here, So I mean he's on the ballot,
Speaker 1: he's running, but I think there now about seven or
Speaker 1: eight other people who are challenging him. And the question is,
Speaker 1: I mean, does he make it to election day because
Speaker 1: he's getting pounded every day and justifiably so he makes
Speaker 1: a big deal. Last week, I guess he appointed some
Speaker 1: you know, anti fraud czar, and you know he's got
Speaker 1: the bravado up there. If you commit fraud in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: you're going to prison. So I'm appointing dude the anti
Speaker 1: fraud czar in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The thing about that is, Governor, you're probably you know,
Speaker 1: three four five years too late on that. Where were
Speaker 1: you again? I would posit that there is no way
Speaker 1: that he could not have known about this. It's just
Speaker 1: too much money going back and forth and again with
Speaker 1: the FBI being involved in it. One of the allegations
Speaker 1: is and what people think probably did happen a portion
Speaker 1: of that, a portion of that going to terrorist organizations.
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then I think it's Katie
Speaker 1: bar the door on the criminal charges with respect to that.
Speaker 1: As I said, and you know, when I was the
Speaker 1: prosecutor and more, when I was criminal defense lawyer dealt
Speaker 1: with the federal criminal Code a little bit, not a lot.
Speaker 1: As a defense attorney, I did. There is a federal
Speaker 1: criminal charge for just about anything. So I just did
Speaker 1: just a brief search of Google search, really no intense
Speaker 1: legal research. But there is a federal statute eighteen US
Speaker 1: Code to forty two. It punishes elected officials or officials
Speaker 1: in general who willfully deprive individuals of constitutional rights. But
Speaker 1: that requires intent beyond mere negligence. Although concepts like deliberate indifference,
Speaker 1: which means you know about a substantial risk and you
Speaker 1: don't do it. So the case law indicates that deliberate
Speaker 1: indifference in specific context. Now, mainly these kind of charges
Speaker 1: come from a brutality a federal prison institution, but it's
Speaker 1: not limited to that. Bridge negligence was another one that
Speaker 1: I found, and willfulness coupled with corruption it covers the
Speaker 1: broader abuse. So I guess what I'm saying here is
Speaker 1: there is a chance that federal charges could be filed
Speaker 1: against the governor and others. And I wouldn't say that
Speaker 1: willy nilly unless I thought there was a good reason
Speaker 1: for it. At the end of the day, I don't
Speaker 1: know that the Feds will prosecute them. They have been
Speaker 1: prosecuting pretty diligently the lower people that they have caught
Speaker 1: red handed in the scandal, and some have gone to prison,
Speaker 1: not nearly enough of them. Oh, there's also a state
Speaker 1: statue that I found in Minnesota that I think is
Speaker 1: like right on the money on this thing. Minnesota law
Speaker 1: includes a like Ohio law includes a general statute for
Speaker 1: misconduct of a public officer employee. The statute is six
Speaker 1: O nine point four to three. It criminalizes specific actions
Speaker 1: such as and listen to this intentionally failing to perform
Speaker 1: a known, mandatory, non discretionary ministerial duty. Well, what that
Speaker 1: means in plain language is you could have criminal liability.
Speaker 1: And it's a misdemeanor, misdemeanor in Minnesota as well as Ohio.
Speaker 1: But you might have that liability if you intentionally failed
Speaker 1: to perform a known duty. And you make a strong
Speaker 1: argument known duty to a governor of a state is
Speaker 1: to at least report court to law enforcement and do
Speaker 1: something about widespread corruption that's now at nine billion dollars
Speaker 1: and counting. I mean, it seems pretty clear to me,
Speaker 1: but you go on to say, and this is for me,
Speaker 1: I think it's probably fairly accurate. The applicability of this
Speaker 1: statue to the governor's actions or an actions is a
Speaker 1: complex legal question, involving interpretations of mandatory duty and intentional failure,
Speaker 1: which usually require a knowing what they call culpable mental state,
Speaker 1: rather than simple negligence or poor judgment. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think you could make an argument
Speaker 1: that that kind of a charge would be something that's appropriate. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'd like to know what you think about it. Seven
Speaker 1: four nine seven thousand one eight hundred. The big one
Speaker 1: are the numbers. If you want to be a part
Speaker 1: Mike Allen Infrasloane seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back, Mike
Speaker 1: Allen and for Sloaney seven hundred WLW Hey. We have
Speaker 1: a very important person that called in and want to
Speaker 1: talk to him, and that is State Senator Steve Hoffman. Senator,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for calling in.
Speaker 4: Sure I was driving around listening and uh, you know
Speaker 4: you're you're doing a great job on this, but you've
Speaker 4: missed one one point, especially here in Ohio. The second
Speaker 4: largest Somali population in the nation is in Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 1: You know what, Senator, And not to cutch off, but
Speaker 1: I've mentioned that a number of times on my Saturday
Speaker 1: show and I keep hearing and maybe you know, sir,
Speaker 1: specifically what they're looking at up there, but boy, that's
Speaker 1: out there and I've heard it. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of other people have too.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 4: I mean, all through the Medicaid and social service as
Speaker 4: a snap, we need you know that the President talks
Speaker 4: about you know, fraud, waste and abuse. We could save
Speaker 4: millions billions of dollars.
Speaker 5: But on this.
Speaker 4: Particular subject, I mean, we need to make sure that
Speaker 4: that deef favor of the state Auditor Davios the Attorney
Speaker 4: General are looking into this to see are their similarities
Speaker 4: and do something about it here in Ohio because you know,
Speaker 4: you know the prosecutor in Franklin County and in the
Speaker 4: City of Columbus, you know they're not going to do
Speaker 4: a thing right because you know they will be just complacent,
Speaker 4: just as the people in the governor in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Are you hearing anything specific, Senator, relative these Somali community
Speaker 1: up in Columbus that you can mention that they might
Speaker 1: be looking at. I would guess it's probably similar to
Speaker 1: this stuff. But you know, I got callers coming in,
Speaker 1: calling in and saying there is something that's going to
Speaker 1: blow real soon, but they didn't really know what it was.
Speaker 4: I have not heard anything at the state level. I
Speaker 4: think that there's a lot of similarities that have to
Speaker 4: be looked at, and if there is something, you know,
Speaker 4: we need to prosecute them and stop the fraud here
Speaker 4: in the state of Ohio. But if there isn't, that's
Speaker 4: that's great too, But we need to look into it
Speaker 4: because of the similarities.
Speaker 1: No question, no question. Let me ask you, sir, you've
Speaker 1: been around a while. Uh, have you ever seen anything
Speaker 1: anywhere approaching the magnitude of this thing in Minnesota?
Speaker 4: They have just absolutely dropped the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is.
Speaker 4: Nothing to the magnitude. I mean, you know, a few
Speaker 4: times a year you hear somebody that you know that
Speaker 4: overinflated the number of people at the daycare center, or hey,
Speaker 4: we're going to overbuild these these people and our and
Speaker 4: our nurses never actually went out and saw the client,
Speaker 4: and you know it's a million, and you know two
Speaker 4: million dollars, but to get to nine billion is just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Nine billion and counting. Well, I'll tell you what, I
Speaker 1: sure appreciate you calling in center. Did I really do?
Speaker 1: And call in any time? And we're all going to
Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on Columbus and see what's popping
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 4: If I know more, I'll get back to you. Have
Speaker 4: a good day and happy New Year you too, sir.
Speaker 1: Thank you? All right. I wasn't expecting that, but I'm
Speaker 1: glad that he called State Senator Huffman. He is from
Speaker 1: the fifth Senate district covers part of my old stomping
Speaker 1: grounds up there in Preble County, Pickway and places in between.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad that he called. Hey, let's go back
Speaker 1: to the phones. Let me talk to Angie in Kentucky.
Speaker 6: Are you doing Hey, I'm doing good. I was calling
Speaker 6: to let you know that there is no way the
Speaker 6: government is not in on the Somalia taxpayer fraud from
Speaker 6: the feel that way.
Speaker 1: Why do you feel that way, Angie?
Speaker 6: From the governor all the way down to the inspectors.
Speaker 6: Because my dad owns the car lot and didn't put
Speaker 6: a forest sale as is sticker in one of his
Speaker 6: windows and had to go to court. So there's no
Speaker 6: way the government doesn't know about it.
Speaker 1: You know, I tend to agree with you, but again,
Speaker 1: it's just hard for me to fathom. And you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, I've been around a while that an
Speaker 1: elected official, let's just say Governor Waltz knew about this
Speaker 1: and didn't do a damn thing. Now what people are
Speaker 1: speculating that he did know about He had to know
Speaker 1: about it, but not only him, but other people up
Speaker 1: there too. They didn't want to do anything about it
Speaker 1: or say anything about it because they would be called racist,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's just not right, and that's a shame.
Speaker 1: If that were the case.
Speaker 6: Yeah, money runs deep and that you know, these daycares
Speaker 6: have to be inspected, so yeah, well I need to
Speaker 6: check their pockets too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard the first segment here,
Speaker 1: I played about a minute clip of an investigative journalist
Speaker 1: and a podcaster that showed up last week at one
Speaker 1: of these leg daycare centers. It was the Something Learning Center,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't even spell learning right, and I guess
Speaker 1: there's just like nobody there. They had the windows rolled
Speaker 1: up and covered up. So yeah, I mean people, you
Speaker 1: would think that at least the citizens would have known
Speaker 1: about it, But I think we've just seen the tip
Speaker 1: of the iceberg here, Angie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they need to investigate the inspectors too about why
Speaker 6: they're not doing their jobs and fraud in the taxpayers.
Speaker 1: No question about it. I really appreciate your call, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, as far as know about it, they had to.
Speaker 1: They had to, and it's in my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: an opinion a lot of others at least gross negligence
Speaker 1: and possibly something even more than that. Hey, let's talk
Speaker 1: to Jeff up in Zenia. Hey, good morning, Jeff.
Speaker 7: I'm in Florida.
Speaker 1: Oh are you?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, I wish I was in Florida. I got too
Speaker 1: yes this morning, apologize for that. Let's talk to Florida Jef.
Speaker 3: All right, well that's me.
Speaker 7: I would like your opinion regarding that individual in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Wall.
Speaker 7: I can't stand that guy back with the civilian stuff. Okay,
Speaker 7: let's let the civilians getting It's my understanding. There's no
Speaker 7: double jeopardy problems when the military gets hold of me,
Speaker 7: because if you look at his military record, yes, isn't
Speaker 7: that the guy that said he was a sergeant major
Speaker 7: or something?
Speaker 1: Yes, well, he also misrepresented that he was in combat,
Speaker 1: which he wasn't.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean when when when old hospital medics
Speaker 7: and stuff think that you don't have enough military bearing
Speaker 7: to serve, You're pretty damn sorry. Okay, and That's where
Speaker 7: I'm coming from. So anyway, he my goodness, as the governor,
Speaker 7: isn't he in charge of the thetional guard and then
Speaker 7: he's and then and then he's letting everything burn down?
Speaker 1: He is in charging with that. There are so many things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the governor is in charge of the national need federalized.
Speaker 7: This guy ought to be in Leavenworth.
Speaker 1: I'm wreaking rocks. I'm with you anyway. He's just such
Speaker 1: a dufust too. Do you remember at the Democrat convention
Speaker 1: where he was announced and he came out on stage.
Speaker 1: He's waving his hands, bouncing around and everything. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just uh, it floors me that
Speaker 1: Harris picked him when she had other choices. But I'm
Speaker 1: glad she did because.
Speaker 5: He's at too.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, listen.
Speaker 7: You've gotten my blood pressure up to where it needs
Speaker 7: to be. I think I'll go fishing now. By the way,
Speaker 7: I'm telling you what, if you like bass fishing, yes, uh,
Speaker 7: you're you're wishing you were right where I am. I'll
Speaker 7: bet it is un Have you ever been to the
Speaker 7: swamp marsh?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I have, no, I have not.
Speaker 7: If you like catching big bass, go to the swamp
Speaker 7: marsh and some people call it canal fifty four. Okay, buddy,
Speaker 7: I'm telling you what. That's where it's at. There you
Speaker 7: go where I'm going, Well, good luck, Jeff, you know everybody?
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks. Not much of a fisherman, but I'd love
Speaker 1: to try that. And frankly, given the weather situation, I'd
Speaker 1: rather be where he is than where I am. Okay, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a good one. Let's talk
Speaker 1: to Paul in Westchester. Hey, good morning, Paul, Morning Mike,
Speaker 1: how program? Thank you.
Speaker 9: I'm fine. I think the first or the second week
Speaker 9: when Trump showed up in Washington in January, he fired
Speaker 9: all of the inspector general that were appointed by Biden,
Speaker 9: and we didn't hear why. But shortly after that the
Speaker 9: USAID fraud scam came up. And I suspect that inspector
Speaker 9: generals are the people that kind of get down in
Speaker 9: the weeds see where the money actually goes.
Speaker 5: Yes, is that correct? Do you know much about inspector.
Speaker 1: General I do a little bit, but and I know
Speaker 1: what you're saying too. He did fire a number of them,
Speaker 1: but they were replaced. They were well maybe it was
Speaker 1: all of them, but they were replaced. And here's the
Speaker 1: thing I'll be I'm gonna be respectful because you have
Speaker 1: been respectful. How can you put it on them? I mean,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't the state and their inspector generals known something
Speaker 1: like about this that's happening in their own state. I
Speaker 1: get it. I get it when all else fails blamed Trump,
Speaker 1: I get that, But this ain't on Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: I'm not blaming I'm not blaming Trump.
Speaker 9: I think when they had the idea of Dose coming in, I.
Speaker 7: Think they have to look in to see where.
Speaker 5: All these dollars are going.
Speaker 9: Otherwise it just goes to fraud, like the USA ID fiasco.
Speaker 9: But I don't know how deep into the weeds they
Speaker 9: can follow.
Speaker 5: The dollars well, U s A I D.
Speaker 1: I mean they cleaned that up real quick. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that was the first thing that Doge did,
Speaker 1: or maybe it was even before Dose, when Trump first
Speaker 1: came in. They cleaned that up like too sweet. So
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think it's a problem with the IGS,
Speaker 1: but I understand your point.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he knows that they were all feeding into the
Speaker 9: fraud thing, and they're Biden.
Speaker 5: Obviously.
Speaker 9: Once the Biden people have an idea, they just, you know,
Speaker 9: give all that.
Speaker 3: Money away and it just continues.
Speaker 5: That's a shame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I'm going to look at that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to look at that now. I have a
Speaker 1: response tomorrow. But I appreciate your call. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and Trump did. I don't think he fired all of them,
Speaker 1: but he fired a lot of them. And guess what,
Speaker 1: why wouldn't he I mean the Inspectors General under Joe
Speaker 1: Biden didn't do a real good job of finding anything,
Speaker 1: and again my understanding is they were replaced. But even
Speaker 1: more so, this is not a federal government problem. It's
Speaker 1: not it's the federal government's job to clean it up
Speaker 1: now apparently, But this ain't on the feds. This is
Speaker 1: on the people in elected and appointed positions in that state.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I think we've got time for one more. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's talk to Matthew. Hey, Matthew, how you doing. Hi?
Speaker 5: Mike just wanted to call in real quick. I'm actually
Speaker 5: in Preble County right now work, and I do you know,
Speaker 5: I have to stay anonymous unfortunately, because, like you said,
Speaker 5: the threat of being accused is you know, yeah, not
Speaker 5: a good thing to be accused of being you know, prejudiced.
Speaker 5: But I work in a field where I have to
Speaker 5: go in people's homes a lot, and I travel from
Speaker 5: county to county and I'm in Montgomery County a lot
Speaker 5: and never going to travel. So I've been in dating
Speaker 5: a lot. And with the Nick Shirley stuff coming out,
Speaker 5: it has kind of opened my eyes a little bit
Speaker 5: about things that I have, patterns that I've been seen
Speaker 5: in the past, and I have gone to apartment complexes
Speaker 5: that are you know, they have doors to the outside
Speaker 5: where you don't have to go inside the building. It's
Speaker 5: like a motel type apartment complex. And I go there
Speaker 5: and the place is pretty much abandoned except for a
Speaker 5: lot of you know, American Africans that are, you know,
Speaker 5: just kind of standing around. And I would go into
Speaker 5: the apartment and the place looks vacant. Every place looks vacant.
Speaker 5: And I went in and there was like a woman
Speaker 5: who was a little delayed, but she was pleasant and
Speaker 5: she didn't raise any alarms about these people or anything
Speaker 5: like that. So that wasn't a nice super sistic. But
Speaker 5: in Dayton, you know, you go right down Route seventy
Speaker 5: and you're in Columbus, that's right second largest And I
Speaker 5: didn't know anything about the Simolians anywhere really, but seeing
Speaker 5: that there's the second largest Samolian population in Columbus, it
Speaker 5: makes sense they would go down Route seventy to Dayton
Speaker 5: as well and open up these satellite type facilities. And
Speaker 5: Nick Shirley has exposed not only the daycares and other
Speaker 5: institutions like that that have been opened up as kind
Speaker 5: of shell institutions that are just leading the federal government
Speaker 5: and state money all that stuff. But he's also uncovered
Speaker 5: home health services a lot too, and home health transportation services.
Speaker 5: So that raised the red flag for me that there
Speaker 5: is probably some stuff going on in the Montgomery County
Speaker 5: as well. But also, and I don't want to accuse anyone,
Speaker 5: but this is just something that I picked up on.
Speaker 5: I noticed a lot of very wealthy Turkish speaking people
Speaker 5: that I would go into the reality, very very wealthy
Speaker 5: people living in brand new houses, and I'm like, I
Speaker 5: work my butt off. These people are living better than
Speaker 5: I am. And they all of their families run these
Speaker 5: trucking companies that they would talk to me about. And
Speaker 5: I started doing some digging on it, and these people
Speaker 5: are a time. They pronounce this ah I ska heat
Speaker 5: scot Turkish people that were refugees from the Soviet Union
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. They were brought over here in two
Speaker 5: thousand and four to two thousand and six from the
Speaker 5: US State Department or US Department of State and the
Speaker 5: International Organization of Migration brought the Turkey's families. To date,
Speaker 5: in two thousand and six, they were facing refuge refugee status.
Speaker 5: They were given a lot of incentives and things like
Speaker 5: that that it makes me start to scratch my head.
Speaker 5: Were these incentives? Are these loopholes that these people are
Speaker 5: taking advantage of potentially and getting funded for things that
Speaker 5: they're not. You know, it's I don't want to accuse
Speaker 5: anybody of but it does raise a red flag. It
Speaker 5: looks like the Somalians have done this very easily and
Speaker 5: it's very organized. It isn't just individuals just saying hey,
Speaker 5: I'm going to open up one too. They are being
Speaker 5: they have to be being helped. This has to be
Speaker 5: some sort of organized crime element, whether it's uh, the
Speaker 5: what alf Shabab or whatever they.
Speaker 1: Are, Yeah, that's the terrorist group. That's something a lot
Speaker 1: of the money's going.
Speaker 5: To exactly and look at look at Omar for instance, mister. Yeah,
Speaker 5: she her net worth is coming out, that her networth
Speaker 5: has exploded. Yes, her husband owns a lot of companies
Speaker 5: and things like that, but are these shell companies too.
Speaker 5: She has stated, you know, she's a dual citizen. She
Speaker 5: has stated that her priority is not Americans, it is Somalians.
Speaker 1: Yeah that you know what though, Matthew, Unfortunately I'm running
Speaker 1: out of time though, But I'm glad you bought that
Speaker 1: final point up. She did say that, and she's probably
Speaker 1: in this damn thing up to her neck. But great call.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate she tipping us off. And hear anything else,
Speaker 1: give us a call, thank you. Yeah, she's not here
Speaker 1: to help Americans, She's here to help people from Somalia.
Speaker 1: Well then what the hell are you doing in the
Speaker 1: United States Congress? You know, hey, we got to take
Speaker 1: a break for the news butt when we get back.
Speaker 1: Do you remember, shortly after the twenty twenty four election,
Speaker 1: whoever was the head of the Democrat National Committee said
Speaker 1: we are going to do this expensive deep dive into
Speaker 1: why our party's gone to crap. We're going to talk
Speaker 1: to this and we're going to talk to that. One's
Speaker 1: going to be expensive, and when we're finished, we're going
Speaker 1: to share it with everyone. Well that's not the case.
Speaker 1: And when we come back, we are going to talk
Speaker 1: to Daniel Greenfield. He's the CEO of the David Horowitz
Speaker 1: Freedom Center. He got that post in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: He did a very very good article on just that question.
Speaker 1: We will talk to mister Greenfield when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW today obviously Tomorrow, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday, So appreciate the opportunity to pinch hit
Speaker 1: for Scott Sloan. Hey, do you remember after the debacle
Speaker 1: for the Democrats that it was the twenty twenty four elections,
Speaker 1: They were kind of like running around with chickens with
Speaker 1: their heads cut off, thinking what do we do? What
Speaker 1: do we do? Well? They decided the DNC, the Democrat
Speaker 1: National Committee, to put together this very comprehensive and expensive,
Speaker 1: as I recall, kind of a study, an autopsy, if
Speaker 1: you will, and they committed at the time that hey,
Speaker 1: we are going to make this thing public. Well, a
Speaker 1: couple weeks ago, maybe it was even last week, they
Speaker 1: renigged on that and said, no, we're not going to
Speaker 1: make it public. They got all kinds of grief for
Speaker 1: that from Republicans obviously, but mainly mainly it seems like
Speaker 1: from Democrats you got high profile Democrats and Clinton former
Speaker 1: aide you got job Favreau. John Lovett condemned the move
Speaker 1: as unreal and patronizing. Another progressive commentator, Nina Turner, said
Speaker 1: it was a bad move, and activist David Hogg accused
Speaker 1: the Party of spiking an essential review. Now the obvious
Speaker 1: question becomes why didn't they share it? Here to talk
Speaker 1: about that is David Greenfield. He is the author of
Speaker 1: an excellent op ed in Front Page magazine entitled Democrats
Speaker 1: can't release their twenty twenty four autopsy because it shows
Speaker 1: systemic corruption. Mister Greenfield, thank you so much for calling
Speaker 1: in this morning.
Speaker 3: My pleasure. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Hey. The obvious question, like I said, they did, and
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember they were all over the place saying,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're gonna make it public. We're gonna make
Speaker 1: it public. And I know that the title of the
Speaker 1: article kind of answers the question. But why do you
Speaker 1: think was there anything in particular? I guess is the
Speaker 1: question that you think kind of spooked him on that,
Speaker 1: you know, on.
Speaker 10: The past Party autopsy talks about what we could have
Speaker 10: done differently. You know, we made bad decisions. We should
Speaker 10: not have run on this, We should have run on this.
Speaker 10: In this case, they ran somebody who was mentally incompetent.
Speaker 10: They knew he was mentally incompetent. They collected over a
Speaker 10: billion dollars to do this, and they keep claiming that
Speaker 10: this was some inner circle party decision. No, the entire
Speaker 10: Democratic Party actively cleared the way for Biden to be
Speaker 10: the only candidate. They targeted anybody who even considered running
Speaker 10: against them. They shifted around their primary schedule in order
Speaker 10: to make a clear path for Biden. They moved up
Speaker 10: South Carolina to do that.
Speaker 7: So this was a.
Speaker 10: Systemic party corruption. That's a billion dour fraud. You can't
Speaker 10: even begin to talk about that because if you open
Speaker 10: that can of worms, you're dealing not only with massive
Speaker 10: party fraud, you're dealing with the whole question of who
Speaker 10: was making decisions in the White House.
Speaker 3: What did Kamala know? All that stuff.
Speaker 10: They can't even begin to talk about that because there's
Speaker 10: criminal materials involved in that.
Speaker 1: No question about it. And I was really surprised when
Speaker 1: they made that commitment because those things are generally in
Speaker 1: house and you know only the party gets it. But hey,
Speaker 1: they did say it. One of your the second reason
Speaker 1: that you list in your op ed it is absolutely
Speaker 1: on the money. The party is to scent into wokeness
Speaker 1: alienated men on an unprecedented scale, leading to major problems
Speaker 1: even with the minority vote, and you know they lost
Speaker 1: their the hispanic vote we gained, But the thing of
Speaker 1: it is the the wokeness. It really was on an
Speaker 1: unprecedented scale. But I don't see them learning any lessons
Speaker 1: from that, do you.
Speaker 10: You know, after the election they try to pivot a
Speaker 10: little bit. Gavin News a few other Democrats came out
Speaker 10: and said, you know, I know, maybe boys shouldn't compete
Speaker 10: against growths. That were a limit as far as they
Speaker 10: were willing to go, And mostly they've backpedaled from it afterward.
Speaker 10: California has changed absolutely nothing. They've gone on defending putting
Speaker 10: men into women's sports. The Washington Post just has a
Speaker 10: new article talking about how a man who competes against
Speaker 10: women is just just so on fair.
Speaker 3: He has no special perks.
Speaker 10: So they've really begun circling break back to that because
Speaker 10: they've decided we can go back to wolkeness, which is
Speaker 10: going to run on affordability.
Speaker 1: You know, that's an eighty twenty issue, the whole thing
Speaker 1: with you know, boys in girls' sports, and it's been
Speaker 1: consistently that way. I guess they can't see the forest
Speaker 1: through the trees because, as you so accurately point out,
Speaker 1: they're descent into wokeness, alienated men on an unprecedented scale.
Speaker 1: They are now. As a matter of fact, I heard
Speaker 1: this morning, mister Greenfield, that they're now doing something or
Speaker 1: in the process of doing something to try to strengthen
Speaker 1: their vote among men. Did you hear that at all?
Speaker 1: What they're do you have any idea what they're going
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 10: It's the same stuff Kamal was trying to do during
Speaker 10: one of her dozen pivots during her campaign. You know,
Speaker 10: it was on the one hundred and seven days and
Speaker 10: all that, So she began talking about, I'm going to
Speaker 10: get behind crypto, I'm going to get behind helping young
Speaker 10: men hustle and make money. And I'm going to write
Speaker 10: checks to black men. No way, I can't just write
Speaker 10: to chext to black men. I'm going to write checks
Speaker 10: to young men. It was all the stuff that's I'm convincing.
Speaker 10: Bottom line is they haven't actually dealt with the reality.
Speaker 10: This is a party whose classrooms right now these days
Speaker 10: actually have toxic masculinity classes in high school.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, you know, really way to win over those
Speaker 8: young men.
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're going to teach you that being a man
Speaker 10: is bad, but we're also going to write you a check.
Speaker 1: In high schools Now I hadn't heard that, you know,
Speaker 1: the college campus is intellectual cesspool, But I know, I
Speaker 1: mean some of the attempted or wokeness that they try
Speaker 1: to teach, some of it even starts in grade school.
Speaker 1: But it seems to me, and I want to see
Speaker 1: what you think about it. Maybe, just maybe, conservatives are
Speaker 1: starting to begin of a little bit of a toe
Speaker 1: hold on college campuses. It's not much, but at least
Speaker 1: it's something. Do you agree or disagree.
Speaker 7: Something?
Speaker 10: Just to remember that college campuses have shifted dramatically. They're
Speaker 10: majority young women at this point, they're increasingly many of
Speaker 10: the college campuses, the idealing ones, the big ones, are
Speaker 10: increasingly dominated by demographics that are hostile to conservatives. So
Speaker 10: I think we need to fundamentally transform what college looks like.
Speaker 3: We need to stop.
Speaker 10: Funding all the various woke ethnic studies, various studies in general.
Speaker 10: We need to actually focus on core competency and core careers.
Speaker 10: So it's fine if we actually want to subsidize the
Speaker 10: engineering department. Should we subsidize the Latino studies department? Not
Speaker 10: so much, I.
Speaker 1: Hear you, And it takes some courage from the college administrators.
Speaker 1: President Board of trustees or whatever to do that, and
Speaker 1: you don't see much of it. But I do think
Speaker 1: you're starting to see a little bit more of it
Speaker 1: along those lines. I gotta tell you, I saw an
Speaker 1: article I forget where it was, I copied it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk about it at some point from some
Speaker 1: college professor that said the movie which I just rewatched
Speaker 1: again a couple of days ago, It's a Wonderful Life,
Speaker 1: was racist. It's just that kind of craziness that I
Speaker 1: think gets people scratching their heads.
Speaker 10: Not all that long ago, Disney Plus and a number
Speaker 10: of other services had warnings on pretty much everything made
Speaker 10: before ten years ago, stating that there's something wrong with that.
Speaker 10: There's stereotypes in there, there's fat shaving, there's something So
Speaker 10: every movie I just one, is considered prejudiced.
Speaker 1: It sure seems that way. I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: coming out of twenty twenty four election, Republicans look pretty good.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's I'm talking about the poll numbers.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's dwindled somewhat going into the midterms
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. You know, the approval rate for Democrats
Speaker 1: for congressional the House was just horrible, and the Republicans
Speaker 1: were about fifteen points up on them. They're about even now.
Speaker 1: I just thinking, I want to hear your thoughts that
Speaker 1: the average voter, you know, man, woman, whatever, they're so
Speaker 1: busy with their daily lives or or they've been so
Speaker 1: indoctrinated or both, that they're just not tuned in and
Speaker 1: don't care. I worry about that. For a short period
Speaker 1: of time, I actually thought we had a chance at
Speaker 1: keeping the House, which, of course the tradition is that
Speaker 1: the party in power loses seats. Do you have any
Speaker 1: explanation or any thesis on that. Why I thought things
Speaker 1: were going forward, looks like maybe somewhat they're going backward.
Speaker 10: The bottom line is the House is always unpopular, no
Speaker 10: matter who's in a true it's west popular than Samali fraudsters,
Speaker 10: and a lot of the tree is really voting on
Speaker 10: I'm going into the grocery store and do I like
Speaker 10: the prices they see or not. That's what happened in
Speaker 10: the last election. That's like we'd happen in the selection.
Speaker 10: You know, we've seen actual oppolls and surveys. A lot
Speaker 10: of people, Yes, President Trump has done a lot of
Speaker 10: great things, a lot of important things are being done,
Speaker 10: but for a lot of the country, they just care
Speaker 10: about what's in their wallet, which is understandable, and I
Speaker 10: think there needs to be more of a shift to
Speaker 10: recognizing that.
Speaker 1: You know, and I just looked at him this morning.
Speaker 1: The economic numbers on his second term, they're not bad
Speaker 1: at all. But that story, of course, is not going
Speaker 1: to get out in the mainstream media in any way,
Speaker 1: shape or form. I wanted to ask you this. You
Speaker 1: brought it up, and I really do want to get
Speaker 1: your opinion on it. The situation in Minnesota with the
Speaker 1: Somali fraudsters. I'll tell you what, I have never seen
Speaker 1: anything like that, mister Greenfield, and I've been around for
Speaker 1: a while. I mean, did that shock you or are
Speaker 1: you surprised by just the breadth of it.
Speaker 10: I began reporting on us back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 10: they got really bad around the pandemic Carrial government was
Speaker 10: just writing checks. But it's the tip of a very
Speaker 10: big iceberg. So the Somalis did was they had absolutely
Speaker 10: no self control. So they took a program that was
Speaker 10: you know, they could have ripped off from millions, and
Speaker 10: then they took it into the hundreds of millions a year,
Speaker 10: which was you know, complete the lack of self control.
Speaker 10: But they're not the only ones doing this. Unfortunately, our
Speaker 10: welfare system is completely covered with fraud and the total
Speaker 10: is over a ten year period would be in the trillions.
Speaker 10: But what they did was just complete, complete robbery. You know,
Speaker 10: they would take a program and just invent one hundred
Speaker 10: thousand kids that didn't exist, and when anybody objected, they
Speaker 10: would say you're racist, and they would organize a protest.
Speaker 10: So what's extraordinary about them is just the complete piracy
Speaker 10: of it.
Speaker 1: You know, And you're right. I mean I've read about
Speaker 1: it a lot because if one thing, it's been a
Speaker 1: boom for talk radio. People want to talk about this,
Speaker 1: and you brought it up. I mean, the acountability part
Speaker 1: of it. Somebody has to be held accountable for this,
Speaker 1: because it's at nine billion and growing. I mean, my
Speaker 1: guess is at the end of the day it's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot more than that. Do you think
Speaker 1: that someone, whether it's the governor, attorney general, whoever, in
Speaker 1: an elected position, will be out accountable for this.
Speaker 10: They should be, But the Democratic Farmer Labor Party, the
Speaker 10: guys running the show, are completely in on it, Governor
Speaker 10: Tim Wallatz, Tony general'keith, that's Ellison. These were people who
Speaker 10: are actually getting votes, block of votes from the Somali community,
Speaker 10: and they were happy to sign off on this. They
Speaker 10: probably didn't expect it to get so extreme, but you know,
Speaker 10: it's not their money in the first place, so they
Speaker 10: were fine with it.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 10: They'll be held accountable unless there's federal intervention. Right now,
Speaker 10: we are seeing federal intervention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. And you know I talked about this
Speaker 1: just before. I don't know. I mean, I would like
Speaker 1: to see some criminal accountability for the two people that
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, the governor and the Attorney general, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, happens to be a good buddy of
Speaker 1: lovable Louis Farrakhn. I think that speaks volumes, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. You know, I'm an attorney. I was a
Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney for about twenty years working in federal courts,
Speaker 1: and I started looking. It's hard to find a statute
Speaker 1: that is completely on point Minnesota criminal Code. There may
Speaker 1: be some things, do you think that will eventually happen
Speaker 1: that someone in a position of authority to wit those
Speaker 1: two jokers will be held criminally accountable.
Speaker 10: Well, we've got to take Keith Ellison, Attorney General, Keith
Speaker 10: Ellison meeting with some of the SAMI frausters involved in
Speaker 10: promising him that he would help them out, and they
Speaker 10: talked about supporting him. That's grounds for something. It's not
Speaker 10: hard evidence you have to actually go to. You have
Speaker 10: to prove that they actually knew what was going on
Speaker 10: and that they covered up for it. And I'm not
Speaker 10: saying that there might not be a smoke again like that.
Speaker 10: I just wouldn't really hold out hope for it.
Speaker 1: No, And I understand question, and you know, maybe I'm naive.
Speaker 1: I'd hate to think that somebody like those two are
Speaker 1: stuff and money in their pockets like the Biden crime
Speaker 1: family did, but who knows. I mean, this will be
Speaker 1: the last question, and this is one I just I
Speaker 1: need to get an answer to this from someone. And
Speaker 1: I've got the chair of our state party coming on later.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him how in the heck, in the
Speaker 1: vetting process that everyone does both parties for a national ticket,
Speaker 1: how in the heck did all this problem, all these
Speaker 1: problems in Minnesota not get found out about, if you will,
Speaker 1: while they were vetting the governor. Now, Waltz, do you
Speaker 1: have any opinion on that.
Speaker 10: First, if you disqualify any state governor where there's major
Speaker 10: fragu going on on his watch, you wouldn't get any Democrats,
Speaker 10: certainly not any Democrat governor that you know. That's all
Speaker 10: the qualifying. I mean, you think this isn't going on
Speaker 10: in Pennsylvania, You think this isn't going on in every
Speaker 10: state that they'd consider and to This was a campaign
Speaker 10: that was so incompetent, that was so inept that it
Speaker 10: couldn't even bother to write a new party platform for Kamala.
Speaker 5: They used the same old one.
Speaker 10: They couldn't do find and replace the Microsoft word and
Speaker 10: swap out Biden's name with Kamala. This is a campaign
Speaker 10: that couldn't figure I how to print lawn signs, but
Speaker 10: spend one point five million dollars, So I'm not surprised
Speaker 10: by anything. They picked the dumbest man around to be
Speaker 10: their public face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you.
Speaker 10: Would think they would just look at a picture of
Speaker 10: Tom Wallis and go, god no, but forget the vedding yep.
Speaker 1: And there again you talk about accountability, Biden skates, I
Speaker 1: mean he skates on anything. And in my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: I probably just too wound up about this. You know,
Speaker 1: Watergate is a parking ticket compared to the millions of
Speaker 1: dollars that the Biden family were cramming in their pockets,
Speaker 1: and it would have peer that he's going to skate
Speaker 1: on that, just like he did with the whole situation
Speaker 1: of bringing the top secret documents out. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've been involved in criminal law for a long time,
Speaker 1: but I have never heard of a senile old man defense,
Speaker 1: which I guess the special prosecutor felt that that was
Speaker 1: appropriate in that case.
Speaker 10: And the Bidens remember where amateurs compared with the Clintons
Speaker 10: who did this on an even bigger scale and skated
Speaker 10: on everything. And the Obamas are just creating their own
Speaker 10: political infrastructure and there's been zero accountability there as well.
Speaker 10: So at this point Kamala has gone through one point
Speaker 10: five billion dollars with that entire campaign. She does not
Speaker 10: have a senile old man defense. I mean, may be
Speaker 10: a very stupid defense. Yes, I don't think that's a
Speaker 10: legal defense.
Speaker 1: No it's not. I'll tell you what. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: you spending time with us, mister Greenfield. Some good stuff
Speaker 1: here and hope we can call on.
Speaker 10: You again, would be my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, sir. All Right, we're going to
Speaker 1: take a short break, come back just for a very
Speaker 1: short period, and then at ten thirty we've got James Hrson.
Speaker 1: He's going to be talking about the Reiner murders. He's
Speaker 1: an attorney. He does a lot of things and possible
Speaker 1: defenses to that, and we'll do that at ten thirty.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred WLW for Sloaney
Speaker 1: today and the rest of the week. Well, I know
Speaker 1: y'all heard about it in a case that shocked the
Speaker 1: entertainment world and really everybody in this country. Nick Reiner,
Speaker 1: the son of legendary filmmaker Rob Reiner. Boy he was
Speaker 1: and I know he was to the left pretty much so,
Speaker 1: but had a hell of a career, a lot of
Speaker 1: good movies. He stands accused of first degree murdered, two
Speaker 1: counts of it, murder of his father and also his mother,
Speaker 1: Michelle Reiner. Now everybody is expecting an insanity defense, but
Speaker 1: that defense is fraught with problems, and we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about that with our next guest, who is
Speaker 1: James Harson, And I tell you what, mister Herson has
Speaker 1: a hell of a background. Every time I have him on,
Speaker 1: I learned something new about him. He is a former
Speaker 1: keyboardist for The Temptations, one of my favorite groups. Mister
Speaker 1: Hearson regularly discusses Hollywood and politics. He's on Fox a lot,
Speaker 1: sEH Hannity, Laura Ingram. He's on a lot of those shows,
Speaker 1: numerous other national TV and radio programs. He's the author
Speaker 1: of the popular weekly Newsmax column, The Left Coast Report.
Speaker 1: He hosts his own daily radio program on a nasty
Speaker 1: syndicated network. In addition to all of that, he teaches
Speaker 1: law at both Trinity Law School and Biola University in
Speaker 1: southern California. He lives in a place I wish I
Speaker 1: was now, Newport Beach. Mister Herson, welcome back to seven
Speaker 1: hundred wlw Oh, it's great.
Speaker 11: To be with you. Yeah, sorry, we have to discuss
Speaker 11: such a.
Speaker 8: Grizzly cast you.
Speaker 11: Rob Reiner's tweets his politics were off the meter extreme left. However,
Speaker 11: Rob Reiner, at least I never met him, But I
Speaker 11: work in the entertainment field and people love this guy.
Speaker 11: I mean, he's very loyal to his friends. He was
Speaker 11: I used to say, and he was. He was a
Speaker 11: brilliant guy that came from a brilliant family. Carl Reiner
Speaker 11: was his father, the famous producer, and nobody you know,
Speaker 11: this is when somebody, uh, when a mother and father
Speaker 11: are murdered by their son, it's a Shakespearean tragedy.
Speaker 8: You know, it's not Onlye's it's.
Speaker 11: Shocking, but you know, we everyone wants to see justice done.
Speaker 11: So you brought up the insanity plate and it's hard
Speaker 11: for people to believe that actually in California, that law
Speaker 11: is very traditional.
Speaker 8: I mean it actually comes Our law.
Speaker 11: Comes from the British law and the rule for insanity
Speaker 11: comes from a nineteenth century British case and it's still
Speaker 11: the same the McNaughton case, right.
Speaker 3: And this is.
Speaker 11: So essentially even though Nick Reiner, it's come out he
Speaker 11: was treating for schizophrenia, he was on some sort of
Speaker 11: medication we don't know yet. That's going to come into
Speaker 11: this case for sure. And the reason everybody thinks that
Speaker 11: insanity plea will be brought is because essentially any defense
Speaker 11: lawyer would do that. In this case, you've got a
Speaker 11: real high.
Speaker 8: Profile, experienced defense lawyer, and.
Speaker 11: It appears a really high profile, experienced prosecutor. So both
Speaker 11: of these guys have dealt with celebrities and lots of
Speaker 11: media and they and they really know what they're doing.
Speaker 11: And this Alan Jackson, there's no way that a guy
Speaker 11: that seasoned like that wouldn't try, you know.
Speaker 8: The insanity defense.
Speaker 11: But in California it's done. You know, you really have
Speaker 11: to show the person did not know what they were doing,
Speaker 11: did not understand right and wrong. It's almost like it
Speaker 11: wasn't volitional. And there's problems with that in terms of
Speaker 11: the just the facts that have already been reported, and
Speaker 11: juries don't like it because in California they require two
Speaker 11: phases of the trials. You know, you first have to
Speaker 11: prove that the guy actually did the crime, that he's guilty,
Speaker 11: and then there's a second phase where the burden of
Speaker 11: proof shifts to the defense and they have to prove
Speaker 11: the facts that this guy was insane. They bring in
Speaker 11: psychiatric experts and the usual thing. But the jury in
Speaker 11: this case, the proof of showing Nick Reiner guilty appears
Speaker 11: to be a slam dunk. It's going they're going to
Speaker 11: that first phase. The jury's going to say, yeah, he
Speaker 11: did it, and then there's going to be the second phase. Well,
Speaker 11: he shouldn't be responsible, and there's lots of problems. You know,
Speaker 11: he had this alleged argument at Conan O'Brien's house the
Speaker 11: night before. He may have a history of bad blood
Speaker 11: in the family, arguing we should sick common in families.
Speaker 11: And additionally, it appears from the evidence that Robin Michelle
Speaker 11: Reiner were killed while they were sleeping, because it doesn't
Speaker 11: seem to be any struggle, at least that's from what
Speaker 11: we know. And then the guy had the wherewithal to
Speaker 11: leave the scene, to go to a convenience store, to
Speaker 11: go check into a hotel, and it just doesn't you know,
Speaker 11: the fact pattern to a jury doesn't speak of a person.
Speaker 3: Who is insane.
Speaker 11: So I think it's going to be a real hard role.
Speaker 11: But it's good that it is because the reason why
Speaker 11: we have that tradition is because if we made the
Speaker 11: insanity plea easy, then basically no one would be in
Speaker 11: prison and there'd be no justice and no closure for
Speaker 11: families that are victims.
Speaker 1: You're so right, You're so right. I spent about twenty
Speaker 1: years I'm retired, thank god, as a criminal defense lawyer,
Speaker 1: and you make the point in your article that I
Speaker 1: think it even used one percent of the time, and
Speaker 1: when it's used, it's almost never successful. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it was successful in the Reagan assassination case, but in
Speaker 1: the general public, and you wouldn't expect them to know,
Speaker 1: but they just don't realize that. Another thing too, mister Herson.
Speaker 1: You know you've got insanity and then you have competency
Speaker 1: to stay on trial, two separate things. Do you think
Speaker 1: competency will be an issue?
Speaker 11: I think they'll make it an issue, but I think
Speaker 11: they're going to be able to establish competency to stand trial.
Speaker 11: But as you know, and I didn't realize you're.
Speaker 3: A defense floor.
Speaker 11: That's great, you know that this becomes these issues. I mean,
Speaker 11: in California, it'll come up in that second phase, and
Speaker 11: then it also comes up during sentencing to mitigate the sentencing,
Speaker 11: and it's a separate consideration. Then of course, just the
Speaker 11: judge is dealing with it.
Speaker 3: But it's, as you know, it's.
Speaker 1: A battle of the experts.
Speaker 11: You know, and in many cases there are very experienced
Speaker 11: expert witnesses who really understand the jury system.
Speaker 8: And when there's a.
Speaker 11: Lot of money, as there obviously is here because Alan
Speaker 11: Jackson is very expensive. They're going to have a top
Speaker 11: psychiatric expert and and so yeah, there, I think Alan Jackson,
Speaker 11: he's already shown by the fact that you know, he
Speaker 11: extended the time for the arrangement, he didn't allow a pola,
Speaker 11: that he's going to make motions. He's he's going to
Speaker 11: have a very vigorous defense and you know, obviously that's
Speaker 11: that's the right of defense and it's really as you
Speaker 11: as a defense layer. No, obviously, the criminal justice system
Speaker 11: has a lot of warts, but it's the best in
Speaker 11: the world. It comes from the British.
Speaker 8: Common law and the idea that we would have.
Speaker 11: A presumption of innocence before we take away a person's
Speaker 11: liberty or we take away, in the case of a death,
Speaker 11: penalty of their life. I mean, this is something that
Speaker 11: we cherish. It is, it's a beautiful thing. And we're
Speaker 11: seeing a guy from a very high profile family who's
Speaker 11: being treated in most part like an ordinary guy, a
Speaker 11: regular defendant. And it's refreshing for us because we've seen
Speaker 11: too many cases where you know, privilege and wealth and
Speaker 11: connections and sometimes political correctness has led to defendants not being.
Speaker 8: Treated the same as ordinary citizens.
Speaker 3: And so so far, so good.
Speaker 1: You're right about that, And well you made the point
Speaker 1: to the defense team. I mean it is strong, Alan Jackson.
Speaker 1: I mean he represented Harvey Weinstein, Karen Reid, and I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people know this, Phil Spector.
Speaker 1: The prosecution team, I think equally as strong, led by
Speaker 1: A bib Ballly and I hope I'm pronouncing that right.
Speaker 1: He represented Robert Durst and man, what a what a
Speaker 1: goofy case that was, and the Menendez brothers so very
Speaker 1: very good representation on both sides. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 1: and you know you kind of deal in this world too.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the judge will permit camera's in
Speaker 1: the courtroom?
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's it's a real, uh problem. I think.
Speaker 3: I think it's likely judges.
Speaker 11: Are are leaning that way now, but they have to
Speaker 11: control it, you know. I mean, obviously we saw a
Speaker 11: get out of control going way back in time to
Speaker 11: the OJA case, where it affected the behavior of everyone involved.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, that case, Andy. But I mean, if I
Speaker 11: I would think for the sake of the family and
Speaker 11: for the sake of the jurors that are likely to
Speaker 11: be sequestered, it'd be best not to have cameras in
Speaker 11: the courtroom. But this because of the fact that there's
Speaker 11: this strong news interest from all over the world, the
Speaker 11: big media outlets will be filing motions with the court
Speaker 11: and urging, you know, First Amendment protection. So I think
Speaker 11: it's likely that there's going to be some maybe limited
Speaker 11: amounts of coverage because this also will be one of those.
Speaker 8: If a trial occurs.
Speaker 11: Because we don't know if there's going to be a plea,
Speaker 11: then I think the public is so interested it'll be
Speaker 11: it won't be quite the Oja case, but it won't
Speaker 11: be something that people want to watch.
Speaker 1: No question. Last question, I'm kind of coming out of
Speaker 1: left field on this, mister Herson. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is Alan Jackson, he ain't working cheap and Nick
Speaker 1: Reiner on his own probably doesn't have a penny. Do
Speaker 1: you know under California law. I thought somebody said that
Speaker 1: if you are the cause or if you murder someone,
Speaker 1: you cannot financially benefit from them. Now I have heard
Speaker 1: that a trust was set up obviously before this by
Speaker 1: Nick's mother and father. I don't know, but the family,
Speaker 1: I guess a sister spoke out and seems to be supportive.
Speaker 1: That's just a big can of worms. I wanted to
Speaker 1: see what you thought about it.
Speaker 11: Well, on the first point, reportedly, I don't know this
Speaker 11: for a fact. The report they're reporting that Alan Jackson's
Speaker 11: usual fee is near a million dollars. I mean he
Speaker 11: is a he's the top on the West Coast for sure.
Speaker 11: But the topic dealing with high profile which you know,
Speaker 11: high profile case where you have to deal with the
Speaker 11: media gauntlet virtually any time. So January seventh, I'll have
Speaker 11: the arraignment. Alan Jackson is going to have to go
Speaker 11: out there and he's going to be swarmed. That there's
Speaker 11: a certain level of experience and expertise and knowing how
Speaker 11: to deal with these high profile cases and and how
Speaker 11: to instruct their their clients to deal with it and that.
Speaker 11: So the question is that I mentioned some million dollars,
Speaker 11: where's the money coming from? And the press is asking
Speaker 11: that question. Obviously, I would think it's from a family
Speaker 11: member who loves Nick and who is well off or
Speaker 11: maybe more than one.
Speaker 8: And that's where it's coming from.
Speaker 11: As to the idea of the defendant not gaining you know,
Speaker 11: a pecuniary interest somehow in the murder or yeah, there
Speaker 11: is I think there's like the equivalent of a son
Speaker 11: of Sam law in.
Speaker 8: California, and uh, that is going to.
Speaker 11: Be an issue, That's what And it's it's it's very
Speaker 11: sticky because we're talking about both Michelle and Ross. There's
Speaker 11: a there's a trust, there's an estate, uh, and there's
Speaker 11: the usual tug of war and a family. So it's
Speaker 11: going to get very like hairy state planning litigation following
Speaker 11: this case.
Speaker 8: So it's a yeah, it's more.
Speaker 11: It's a more complex case than just first degree murder,
Speaker 11: which already is it's fairly complex.
Speaker 8: So but it seems, you know, and that.
Speaker 11: What we're seeing is a real attempt I mean even
Speaker 11: the fact that this guy was held over he's in prison.
Speaker 8: And he's you know not there doesn't.
Speaker 11: Seem to be any special treatment. And the celebrity thing
Speaker 11: cuts to way. On one side, you know, people sometimes
Speaker 11: get overly tough, overcompensating judges get overly tough, and on
Speaker 11: the other side, juries get starstruck. So so it's really
Speaker 11: the jury selection is going to be as it always is,
Speaker 11: as you know, is going to be crucial and you're
Speaker 11: not going to find jurors who are unfamiliar with Rob Reiner,
Speaker 11: I think, and unfamiliar with the case.
Speaker 3: It's basically going to be a.
Speaker 11: Thing where during wad dire jury selection, the lawyer who's
Speaker 11: choosing the jury, they're gonna have jury consultants of course
Speaker 11: looking up the backgrounds and everything else. But to you,
Speaker 11: as a trial er, you know this. You're looking in
Speaker 11: the juror's eyes and the jurors making promises that they're
Speaker 11: going to be in marshall and at the end of
Speaker 11: the day, that gut feeling, you know, whether this tour
Speaker 11: is really going to meet their oath is going to decide.
Speaker 11: Probably a good percentage of whether a peremptory challenges is
Speaker 11: whether juror stays.
Speaker 1: And so but I you know, we're kind of almost
Speaker 1: out of time, misters, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 11: Juries are a blessing. I the jury system agree. It's
Speaker 11: beautiful thing. It doesn't always work, but it's the best
Speaker 11: thing out there.
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree with you more, sir, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: This has been very helpful and I hope we can
Speaker 1: call on you again.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 11: Thank you and thank you for your service as part
Speaker 11: of the criminal justice system.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, sir. All Right, As a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, I spent fifty one years in the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system and one one way, shape or form. And yeah,
Speaker 1: after fifty one years you want to I have good
Speaker 1: memories and good experiences, but boy, it just wears on
Speaker 1: you after a while. Anyway, we have to take a break,
Speaker 1: but when we get back. I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 1: this True crime detective JT. Townshend has been I guess
Speaker 1: the number of times on shows here. He is out
Speaker 1: with another book, a new book, and looking forward to
Speaker 1: talking to it. It's actually a kind of a revision
Speaker 1: or a supplement, I think, to one of his previous books,
Speaker 1: but new stuff. And he's good no matter what. So
Speaker 1: make sure you stay around and listen to him. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for Sloaney seven hundred WLW News Radio seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday Midday. I knew I
Speaker 1: would do that at least once. No, it is not Saturday,
Speaker 1: and the show is not Saturday Midday. I'm in for
Speaker 1: Sloaney today and the rest of the week too, and
Speaker 1: then of course Saturday Saturday Midday. Hey, true Crime detect
Speaker 1: the JT. Townsend He's written a number of books. I
Speaker 1: like him all he is out with an update of
Speaker 1: the of a former book. I believe the book was
Speaker 1: Queen City Notorious, great book in and of itself, and
Speaker 1: I do have to say this, and I'm not just
Speaker 1: saying it one of the best books I've ever read
Speaker 1: true crime. Whatever is his book, Summer's Almost Gone. It's
Speaker 1: about the brick and murders, but JT also weaves in
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Strangler. You can't put it down, or at
Speaker 1: least I couldn't, but at any rate, want to talk
Speaker 1: to JT about the new book. And JT thanks so
Speaker 1: much for calling in this morning.
Speaker 12: Mike, always a pleasure being on with you.
Speaker 1: Give us a give us kind of a preview, JT.
Speaker 1: Because it's not out yet, or is it?
Speaker 12: It is out? Okay, it is out.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: I wrote Queen City Gothic was my cold case book
Speaker 12: with thirteen cold cases, you know, Mike. After I wrote that,
Speaker 12: the detectives I worked with, mostly retired guys, said hey,
Speaker 12: can you write a book before we catch the killers?
Speaker 12: Because we look like Keith on Cops. So I dedicated
Speaker 12: Queen Say Notorious to them with a dedication justice maybe blind,
Speaker 12: but she can see in the dark. And the book
Speaker 12: never sold. Really it never got picked up by major
Speaker 12: distributors like Baker, Taylor and Ingram. I had a terrible
Speaker 12: cover on it. The cover just didn't do this book
Speaker 12: any good. And it came out in twenty fourteen, my
Speaker 12: sophomore slump. You know, Gothic and Summer's Almost Gone were
Speaker 12: regional bestsellers. So I put this back out there, got
Speaker 12: a sinister cover, brand new interior layout, and this time
Speaker 12: we get justice.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, It's interesting that you mentioned what
Speaker 1: you mentioned before, JT. And kudos to you for at
Speaker 1: least trying that, because you know, I like to read
Speaker 1: these things, and of course I was involved in it
Speaker 1: for a fifty one year in one way.
Speaker 8: Or that you were.
Speaker 1: But somebody writing something good about the cops, I'm all
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 12: But anyway, exactly, Yeah, people tend to like mystery, but hey,
Speaker 12: how about some justice?
Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, every once in a while. Now,
Speaker 1: what's cool about this update, JT? Is I understand it.
Speaker 1: At least some of the updates you kind of wrap
Speaker 1: around the Seven Deadly Sins, which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to pick out a couple of them
Speaker 1: to talk about, I'll let you do it. On your own.
Speaker 12: I've got him. I mean, I think even certainly older
Speaker 12: listeners will remember the name Edith Clump. Oh yeah, how
Speaker 12: can you forget Edith Clump. This was a nineteen fifty
Speaker 12: eight torch slang love triangle where she killed her lover's wife, Mike.
Speaker 12: This would be a lifetime movie today. Yeah, what a
Speaker 12: saga on this. And she had false Hopkins defending her.
Speaker 5: He was the king, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 12: She's sentenced to death in the electric chair, the governor
Speaker 12: at the time to sow. Two days before the execution,
Speaker 12: they give her truth serum and she sweaves a whole
Speaker 12: different story blaming her victim's husband, and desal commutes her
Speaker 12: to life in prison a day before the execution. And
Speaker 12: he lost his race for the governor after that, and
Speaker 12: he was never in politics again. This is just a
Speaker 12: sordid love triangle tale. And Edith Klump, the blonde, the
Speaker 12: spelt blonde temptress. This thing's got everything would want in
Speaker 12: a lifetime movie.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 1: And a lot of armor like that, I guess.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And that would be the seven deadly sin of envy.
Speaker 12: I've got one. This is back in nineteen thirty seven.
Speaker 12: The sin is gluttony. This guy named Teddy Haun handsome guy,
Speaker 12: good family, married to a beautiful wife and had younger,
Speaker 12: had a young child. But this guy was like Ted Bundy.
Speaker 12: He was taking women out on dates, beating them unmercifully,
Speaker 12: not raping them or anything. And it finally culminated in
Speaker 12: the beating, stomping, and biting death of a young woman
Speaker 12: in that inwood Park dance pavilion on Vine Street. And
Speaker 12: I've seen pictures of what he did to this woman
Speaker 12: and she's unrecognizable. They had a spectacular trial and he
Speaker 12: ended up in the electric chair in nineteen thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Do you happen to remember who the judge was? JT.
Speaker 12: I'm just killing in thirty eight, I do not, But
Speaker 12: I'm telling you, Mike, if they hadn't caught this guy,
Speaker 12: they got him after his body count was one, they
Speaker 12: hadn't caught him, he'd have been Cincinnati's answer to Ted Bundy.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez. Let me ask you this question, and let's
Speaker 1: use this one as an example. You decide, as an
Speaker 1: author and true crime detective, you want to write a
Speaker 1: book about Teddy Hines and his murder. What do you
Speaker 1: do then? Do you try to get the old records,
Speaker 1: the old files from the investigators, the transcript of the trial,
Speaker 1: or how do you go about that? JT.
Speaker 12: I tell you, nineteen thirty seven probably would have been
Speaker 12: difficult to get any of those records. I did pull.
Speaker 12: I did pull all the newspaper copies. But I'll tell
Speaker 12: you what you had in nineteen thirty seven, Mike Detective magazines. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and there were over seven different articles about this Teddy
Speaker 12: Hines murder in the in What Park dance pavilion, and
Speaker 12: they really sensationalized everything. He was devastatingly handsome. He denied
Speaker 12: it all the way till they sat him in the chair.
Speaker 12: He denied the whole thing, but he did it. Hard
Speaker 12: to get those records, I think, come back then, I gotcha,
Speaker 12: But we had one agreed. Vintent Perrin shot Francis Rawson
Speaker 12: in her Clifton mansion. She was the third wealthiest woman
Speaker 12: in Cincinnati. She was the widow of Henry Rawson, he
Speaker 12: was the meatpacking king of Porkopolis in nineteen twenty four,
Speaker 12: and he shot her at dinner, actually during the dessert course,
Speaker 12: in front of the help, and then went on the run.
Speaker 12: And he was the first Cincinnati man to be found
Speaker 12: not guilty by reason of insanity. Really, a lot of
Speaker 12: people think it was George Remis right, but vint and
Speaker 12: Perrin was actually the first and he never got out
Speaker 12: of the insane asylum and died. And this was nineteen
Speaker 12: twenty four. This crime happened. But this would be like
Speaker 12: the mother or the wife of a retired P and
Speaker 12: G exec today being shot in her Indian Hill mansion
Speaker 12: by her son in law. It was scandalous, absolutely scandalous.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you about this one because it
Speaker 1: kind of piqued my interest a little bit lust Robert, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's new.
Speaker 12: We're just looking at that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Robert abohead plans for Buxom nurse Wanda Cook in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, but something went horribly wrong in his
Speaker 1: hotel Love nest. Did girlfriend Alice Ewing hold the key
Speaker 1: to this crime? Tell us about that one?
Speaker 12: Well, I remember this. I think a lot of people
Speaker 12: older listeners might remember Wanda Cook. This was a trunk murder.
Speaker 12: They've they've got a trunk in Cleveland that's starting to smell,
Speaker 12: and they open it up and they find this dismembered
Speaker 12: body of this nurse Wanda Cook in Cleveland, and within
Speaker 12: twenty four hours they had arrested Robert Abbott his girlfriend
Speaker 12: Alice Ewing, and they had a spectacular trial for this.
Speaker 12: Abbot was convicted, Alice Ewing took a deal to testify
Speaker 12: against him. But the detective work in this was phenomenal.
Speaker 12: They didn't even know who this victim was, much less
Speaker 12: connecting her to Abbot and Ewing. Within twenty four hours
Speaker 12: they had them both arrested. It was a three state investigation, Kentucky, Ohio,
Speaker 12: and Pennsylvania. They nailed them both. This is why I
Speaker 12: wrote this book and dedicated it to the detectives. You know,
Speaker 12: the detective work, you know, dogga detectives and relentless prosecutors
Speaker 12: much like you were, Mike Riveting trials in this book
Speaker 12: and justice. I mean, we've got at least three electrocutions
Speaker 12: in this book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 12: It actually put people to death back then.
Speaker 1: It's funny, JT. When you started talking about it, I recognized,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. A guy by the
Speaker 1: name of Dennis Whitehead wrote a book Murder, Murder, and
Speaker 1: Mayhem and the Queen City pretty darn good, and he
Speaker 1: does talk about that. But let me ask you about
Speaker 1: that sloth, Let me read it for you. When her
Speaker 1: adoptive mother tells her to move out in nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 1: twenty three year old Barber Shut brutally murders her on
Speaker 1: a Sunday morning and then leaves for her writing lesson.
Speaker 1: That's I was.
Speaker 12: I think I was a sophomore in high school. This
Speaker 12: is in the Clifton gas Light district. Her mother, Jane Shoot,
Speaker 12: was the most prominent female psychiatrist in the city, and
Speaker 12: she was attractive, forty two year old married to a
Speaker 12: seventy year old man. She told him that morning she
Speaker 12: was going to leave him, and they had adopted Barbara,
Speaker 12: and she said, you're going to have to move out.
Speaker 12: You're going to have to be out on your own.
Speaker 12: And she ended up shooting her mother three times that morning,
Speaker 12: beating her to beating her with a fireplace poker actually
Speaker 12: just dislodged her ear, and then went out for her
Speaker 12: writing lesson. And they had a spectacular trial with this one,
Speaker 12: and she claimed she was covering up for her father,
Speaker 12: but in reality she did actually do the murder, and
Speaker 12: a real spectacular trial. Lots of allegations of adultery, lesbianism.
Speaker 12: There was a headline Who's on trial here? The killer
Speaker 12: or the victim? And you know, again this is again
Speaker 12: in a nice neighborhood. And I should mention, Mike, all
Speaker 12: the killers in this book, these aren't gangsters or miscreans.
Speaker 12: These are the killers next door. These are all normal
Speaker 12: everyday people you might have lived next door to that
Speaker 12: ended up committing sensational murders.
Speaker 1: It makes it makes it interesting, especially, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's to me my wheelhouse where I recognize some of
Speaker 1: the names. Unfortunately you only have a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm gonna ask to JT. Every
Speaker 1: time we talk, I ask you about it there and
Speaker 1: let me let me tell my listeners there is no
Speaker 1: one in this city or elsewhere in the year twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five who knows more about the brick and murders
Speaker 1: than this man on the other end of the line. JT.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's all. It's all coming back down to me. Yeah,
Speaker 12: you know, Mike, I've got Parabond Labs with CC Moore
Speaker 12: standing by to do a new DNA analysis and we
Speaker 12: need one. Last time they ran it was a two
Speaker 12: thousand and two and that was prehistoric.
Speaker 5: Times for DNA it was just starting.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was pretty much just starting. I've got Parabond
Speaker 12: Labs chomping at the bit for this case. I can't
Speaker 12: seem to get the Coroner's office to work with them.
Speaker 12: Once Parabon comes on, I would step out of the
Speaker 12: way and they would specifically work with the corner And
Speaker 12: I'm not sure what's going on. I've talked with her.
Speaker 12: She claims the evidence is is scant and nothing will
Speaker 12: come up to what they would need for DNA. And
Speaker 12: I reminded her at the time, they don't need anything
Speaker 12: more than a spec now touch DNA. You can get
Speaker 12: DNA out of anything.
Speaker 1: Well, what would be the items?
Speaker 12: They've got the semen, they've got the hair, and they've
Speaker 12: got the cigarette butts, But what would be the iteested
Speaker 12: to pay for it?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 12: And I still stand by that offer. I will pay
Speaker 12: for this testing. I'm meant a little bit of a roadblock,
Speaker 12: and we'll see what happens on that.
Speaker 1: What items would be tested? JT Probably quite a few
Speaker 1: of my guess clothing and others.
Speaker 12: Well, that's another thing, Mike that blows my mind about
Speaker 12: this case. There's a picture of mel Ruger in my
Speaker 12: book with thirty boxes of evidence going to the FBI.
Speaker 12: R So where are they the FBI on it? And
Speaker 12: there was a piece of tape on Jerry Bricker's face
Speaker 12: that was from the house.
Speaker 1: Well, it's brought in veiny tape, right, wasn't it specifically.
Speaker 12: Where it used to tape a gag over his mouth?
Speaker 12: And where is that tape? They would get DNA off
Speaker 12: that tape. It was a heap fact, it would be
Speaker 12: a rich source of DNA.
Speaker 1: I don't know where it is, you know, and I
Speaker 1: remember reading about that too and in your book. Uh,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, it was some tape that is
Speaker 1: kind of exclusive to vets. And of course you know,
Speaker 1: we all know who the mainess.
Speaker 12: We've got a prime suspect is a vetinary and it
Speaker 12: was a vetinary tape and it was an inch and
Speaker 12: seven eighths wide. That's an exceptionally unusual with for tape.
Speaker 12: And they weren't able to trace it. They did find
Speaker 12: it was manufactured in Barrington, Illinois, and amazingly enough, our
Speaker 12: suspect owned property up there. Hey, there you go on that.
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, want time to shield for my book now, that's exactly.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I saved time for that.
Speaker 1: JT tell people how you can get it.
Speaker 12: Well, I've got copies that Snapdragon bookstore on the West Side.
Speaker 12: If you haven't been to that bookstore. It's in an
Speaker 12: old George Remas mansion. They've got trap doors, secret ladders,
Speaker 12: Snapdragon bookstore that I'm gonna check it out. It's brand new.
Speaker 12: The house that's in is spooky as heck, and there's
Speaker 12: a tunnel, secret ladders, trapdoors. Apparently it was an underling
Speaker 12: of George Remas that has escay patches. I got signed
Speaker 12: copies there. I've got signed copies at Joseph Beth if
Speaker 12: you want to get it on my website and all
Speaker 12: copies are signed. I'm offering a five dollars discount at
Speaker 12: www dot JT town dot com. All you need to
Speaker 12: put in the discount code is w LW take five
Speaker 12: dollars off all copy signed and real quick.
Speaker 3: Mike.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think people think that these crimes we're seeing
Speaker 12: today are just otherworldly, so bizarre, so strange. Read this
Speaker 12: book and you'll see that these killers back then they
Speaker 12: were just as shocking, just as monstrous, just as bent
Speaker 12: and twisted as the killers we have today. I agree,
Speaker 12: nothing has changed.
Speaker 1: I agree. Hey, JT. Hope we can call on you
Speaker 1: again and let me tell people do it. Go out
Speaker 1: and get those books because they're every book that he's
Speaker 1: put out. It's a good read. Thanks again, JT.
Speaker 12: Okay, Mike, always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Bye bye. You know I mean that too,
Speaker 1: And that just so everybody knows. I don't get a
Speaker 1: cut of anything, but the man is just very good
Speaker 1: at what he does. And everybody on the West Side,
Speaker 1: I believe, is interested in the brick a case. Summer's
Speaker 1: almost gone and I think you can still get that
Speaker 1: one too. Anyway, we have to take a break up.
Speaker 1: When we get back, we're talking politics, and we're talking
Speaker 1: politics with the chair of the Ohio Republican Party, former
Speaker 1: Hamilton County Judge Alex Trant. To feel you. So we'll
Speaker 1: be talking to Alex about the races coming up in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six when we get back. Mike Allen Saturday
Speaker 1: Midday in for Slowey seven hunderd WLW. Mike Allen in
Speaker 1: for Sloaney Today, Tomorrow, Thursday and Friday. Well, there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on in the political world. All eyes are
Speaker 1: turned to twenty twenty six and the midterms not only
Speaker 1: midterms for Congress, but also every state constitutional office. Here
Speaker 1: to talk about how we the Republicans look in those
Speaker 1: races and other things is Ohio GOP chair and former
Speaker 1: Hamilton County judge Alex Trant. To feel you, Alex, Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us this morning, Mike.
Speaker 7: Good to be with you. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
Speaker 7: and glad.
Speaker 1: To be with you you too, buddy. Thank you. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: the first thing I wanted to ask you about is
Speaker 1: the race for governor. Republican candidate of course is Viviake Ramaswami. Well,
Speaker 1: he just kind of blew everybody out of there, right
Speaker 1: out of the chute, and he's not going to face
Speaker 1: any primary challenge that I know of. Here's a question
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, boy. When he came out,
Speaker 1: his poll numbers were great. It looks like now and
Speaker 1: I've looked at a couple of them. I got the
Speaker 1: Emerson poll in front of me. They're about even now.
Speaker 1: What is your take on that? Is it something to
Speaker 1: worry about or not?
Speaker 7: Well, it's not something to worry about. Just to make
Speaker 7: sure the record's clear. The filing deadline is February the fourth.
Speaker 7: There's some clamoring about a primary. But I can tell
Speaker 7: you right now that in Ohio, the Ohio Republican Party
Speaker 7: is endorsed to vake every Okay wide elected officials save
Speaker 7: one or two of endorsa. He is raising records amounts
Speaker 7: of money, Mike, I mean, his his fundraising totals that'll
Speaker 7: be out soon are going to blow the doors off
Speaker 7: of the competition. Which you know, Mike is a as
Speaker 7: an operator in this political steer. Money matters, but they
Speaker 7: gets filled up rooms around Ohio. He you know, he
Speaker 7: goes to these annual dinners of the county Republican organizations
Speaker 7: and sells them out. He goes to to Miami University.
Speaker 7: There's there as students out the door lined up to
Speaker 7: see thea bake Ramaswamie. I mean almost they almost Charlie
Speaker 7: Kirk style kind of exciting for him among young voters.
Speaker 7: So you know, look, I mean these polls are going
Speaker 7: to be what they are. The internal polls have a
Speaker 7: vake up better than what you're seeing. The Emerson pole
Speaker 7: always skewed a little bit democratic, but again, straight talk here.
Speaker 7: This is a mid term cycle. Anyone who pays attention
Speaker 7: to politics knows that midterm cycles are generally, you know,
Speaker 7: a little harder on the party in power at the
Speaker 7: White House. And that's just a natural phenomenon, you know,
Speaker 7: And uh, it tends to be that voters, you know,
Speaker 7: of the part in power sometimes get a little complacent
Speaker 7: and they we're seeing a little bit of that in
Speaker 7: the polling. And it's one of the reasons, you know,
Speaker 7: I never miss a chance, and I'll take it really quick, Mike.
Speaker 7: I promise to tell every single person listening today, if
Speaker 7: you have three hundred and eight days until of a
Speaker 7: midterm election, you must if you're a supporter of President
Speaker 7: Donald Trump, you must make a note to get out
Speaker 7: in because the Democrats, right, Mike, you know this, that
Speaker 7: the Democrats take control, they take the speakership, We're going
Speaker 7: to see more impeachments. We're going to see steming his agenda.
Speaker 7: We might see a flood on the open border situation.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 7: You know, a lot of bad things are going to happen.
Speaker 7: So we just need all of our great Republican voters
Speaker 7: to show up three hundred eight days in today is
Speaker 7: the election. So look, I mean answer your question. We're
Speaker 7: going to fight this all the way to the end.
Speaker 7: From a vague. He's a different kind of candidate in
Speaker 7: the sense that there's incredible grassroots energy, an amazing amount
Speaker 7: of resources flowing to him, and he's a supremely talented.
Speaker 5: Hard working candidate. So we feel very very good about
Speaker 5: the governors race in Ohio.
Speaker 7: Especially by the way, I can't miss taking a shot
Speaker 7: Amy Act. It is the face of COVID. Shut down
Speaker 7: your schools, shut down your businesses. So, you know, we
Speaker 7: like our argument.
Speaker 1: The theak is one of the best political speakers I
Speaker 1: have ever seen. I mean, the dude is amazing. You
Speaker 1: could give him the phone book and he could start
Speaker 1: reading it and make it interesting. So very impressed with him.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be fine. Like you just said,
Speaker 1: you hit on something though, Alex that I think is
Speaker 1: just so key. You obviously recognize that Donald Trump's voters,
Speaker 1: the mega voters, they have a history of not getting
Speaker 1: out unless Trump's on the ballot. Is RP doing anything
Speaker 1: to address that or is there anything that you can
Speaker 1: do other than what you just said?
Speaker 7: Yeah, and the answer is yes. It's the number one
Speaker 7: thing we talked about at the Ohiowa Republican Party.
Speaker 5: You know, without getting in all the.
Speaker 7: Details, giving away all our secrets.
Speaker 3: Mike, you know this.
Speaker 7: The data is such now, you know you can do
Speaker 7: between polling and modeling of voters and all the you know,
Speaker 7: all the data that's available, almost too much data on
Speaker 7: every single voter, we can all but predict who those
Speaker 7: people are who we think are going to stay home.
Speaker 7: So we have a plan. We're funding to this plan
Speaker 7: again without giving it all away. This is all we
Speaker 7: really talk about, and that is making sure we have
Speaker 7: a solid list of those voters, and we'll be able
Speaker 7: to go county by county, whether it's Hamilton, Butler, Warren,
Speaker 7: Claremont County, anywhere you know that's listening today, we will
Speaker 7: be able to say in your county, these are the ten, twelve,
Speaker 7: fifteen to five thousand wherever that number is, voters who
Speaker 7: generally vote for President Trump but just kind of sit
Speaker 7: out the mid term. You know, they're not as energized.
Speaker 7: So we're going to know who they are. That's the key,
Speaker 7: and we've got, you know, the next three hundred days
Speaker 7: plus to talk to them and remind them of what
Speaker 7: I've just said, and that is, if you believe in
Speaker 7: President Trump, you believe in his agenda, you believe in
Speaker 7: tax cuts, and you believe in no tax on tips,
Speaker 7: and you believe in a sealed border, if you believe
Speaker 7: in peace, record piece all over, you've got to go
Speaker 7: out and vote in the midterms. So we're going to
Speaker 7: that's what we're doing. We're we're going to target those
Speaker 7: voters very scientifically, very methodically and talk to them, whether
Speaker 7: it's by text, by phone, call, by knocking on their door,
Speaker 7: delivering mail. And then you know, the final thing, Mike,
Speaker 7: is we are going to with every thing. I've got
Speaker 7: asked and plead of this great president to cub to Ohile,
Speaker 7: and I was pleased to see his chief of staff
Speaker 7: Stay in an interview last week. I believe that, you know,
Speaker 7: President Trump is going to get out of campaign hard.
Speaker 5: He always does that.
Speaker 7: So that's that's the intention here is to all of
Speaker 7: you above, get our grassroots voters energized by talking to them,
Speaker 7: Get the president here, get all of our stars here,
Speaker 7: you know, get Vice President Vance here, anything we could
Speaker 7: do to remind people of the importance of turning out
Speaker 7: and voting in the midterms and twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what your answer indicates to me
Speaker 1: that you guys are ready for this because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so crucial, as you have just laid out. I'm
Speaker 1: really glad to hear that, Alex. He just pivoting here
Speaker 1: a little bit. The Senate poll Ohio twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: It looks like Sharon Brown and John Houston are pretty
Speaker 1: even at this point. I mean, I guess the same
Speaker 1: argument or theory applies in that race. If the bag
Speaker 1: of people get out and vote the party line, which
Speaker 1: if they get out I think they will, He and
Speaker 1: the other constitutional hawshers are going to be fine. Would
Speaker 1: you agree?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 7: I do. And you know that Sam Emerson poll that
Speaker 7: you cited actually has John Houstead with a lead on
Speaker 7: Shared Brown. That's not a surprise to us. Sharon Brown
Speaker 7: on a known commodity. Yeah, he is a known commodity
Speaker 7: to Ohio. And I mean that in a negative sense.
Speaker 7: Sharon Brown does not match up with Ohio values. He
Speaker 7: voted as you know with Elizabeth Warren, he voted with AOC.
Speaker 7: This is a far left guy, Sharon Brown. And he
Speaker 7: will he'll come on TV with his fuel code of
Speaker 7: his teams and try to convince Ohioans that he has
Speaker 7: something that he is not what he is Mike is really,
Speaker 7: he's just he is out of the mainstream of Ohio politics,
Speaker 7: which is why the voters rejected him for a first
Speaker 7: time candidate and Bernie Marino last year. So look, the
Speaker 7: playbook is there for us. Ohioans know what they get
Speaker 7: with Sharon Brown, which is just a rubber stamp for
Speaker 7: the far left agenda. You know that has put this
Speaker 7: country in a tough spot that President Trump is having
Speaker 7: a ballot out of I mean, he was Joe Biden's
Speaker 7: best friend. Here he and Chuck Schumer. We're having dinner
Speaker 7: in Columbus. So you know you can't have Sheriff Brown
Speaker 7: again in this date. He's he is a far left guy,
Speaker 7: out of the mainstream of politics. But John Houstad is
Speaker 7: well known to voters. He's never lost the state wide election.
Speaker 7: We really like our chances with Senator Tuesday.
Speaker 1: I do too. And boy, I'll tell you what, we
Speaker 1: got to take all those constitutional offices. I got to
Speaker 1: ask you this, and I might have asked you before
Speaker 1: the first district congressional race. The first district now is
Speaker 1: a little bit actually seems to me a lot more
Speaker 1: friendly to Republicans to where we have a solid, solid chance,
Speaker 1: and I would think probably better than even at this point.
Speaker 1: But there are I believe three candidates running. Is O
Speaker 1: ARP or has O rp uh endorsed anyone in that
Speaker 1: race or will they?
Speaker 7: The answer is, we have not endorsed anyone in that race.
Speaker 7: I don't anticipate an endorsement there. You know again that's uh,
Speaker 7: I'm keeping my options open because I don't ultimately know
Speaker 7: where we go. But I don't see that we have
Speaker 7: the three you mentioned.
Speaker 5: There's two really.
Speaker 7: Solid candidates and a fellow named Eric Conroy. Well, I'm
Speaker 7: sure you might like because he's an elder graduation. There
Speaker 7: you go an nfella named Steve Urpak who's equally he's impressive.
Speaker 5: He's a dentist.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 7: He lives in Warren County, really interesting background. So look,
Speaker 7: we we love all of our our primary contestants the
Speaker 7: same at this moment. And uh, look, I mean there
Speaker 7: are people sometimes who think that there's some smoke filled
Speaker 7: room that maybe I'm in charge of in Columbus deciding
Speaker 7: who gets the run where that's not you know better
Speaker 7: than anybody might that that's just a false And right
Speaker 7: now we've got a couple of guys running the primary
Speaker 7: primaries could be healthy sometimes. You know, look, Donald Trump
Speaker 7: had to win a Republican primary to be our nominee
Speaker 7: for president, and Bernie Marino had to win a Republican primary.
Speaker 7: So you know, we'll have that, we'll have that process
Speaker 7: play out, and I you know, again, I don't foresee
Speaker 7: an endorsement there, but I will tell you this, and
Speaker 7: I just won't come into surprize. We can do way
Speaker 7: better than the current occupant of that's Greg Landsman. He's
Speaker 7: another guy who's just voting the party line with Democrats
Speaker 7: in Washington. He does not represent the values of Ohio
Speaker 7: and he's been, you know, he's been nothing but an
Speaker 7: obstacle to passing this incredible agenda that President Trump has
Speaker 7: put forward, like again feeling the border, lowering your taxes,
Speaker 7: you know, cutting regulations to grow businesses, all the great
Speaker 7: things we've seen. So we can do better, and we
Speaker 7: will have a candidate and we will rally around whoever
Speaker 7: that person is who emerges from the primary.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good about that one, Alex. But just a
Speaker 1: little bit of advice, not that you need it, but
Speaker 1: when things are kind of even, uh, you always go
Speaker 1: with the elder guys. So I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure you knew that.
Speaker 7: Why am I not surprised there's not a no kills
Speaker 7: guy in the race. So I'm a little conflicted.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, hey, let me ask you this question. I've
Speaker 1: been dying to ask you this mess this what's going
Speaker 1: on out there in Minnesota. It's just unbelievable. I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything close to it. I assume you haven't either.
Speaker 1: Just your thoughts on that. And here's something specific, and
Speaker 1: I've been waiting to ask you this. Okay, you got
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris running for president. She picks him as her
Speaker 1: running mate. I mean, don't they vet those people? I
Speaker 1: know they do vet them, But how in the hell
Speaker 1: did that get by her team? Or maybe it didn't
Speaker 1: she just didn't care. I'm just curious about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, look, she was not
Speaker 7: a competent leader, so something her her vetting team clearly
Speaker 7: missed it on him. Look, there's a lot that's been said.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure I'm going to offer a whole lot
Speaker 7: new on the Tim Walls Minnesota situation other than just
Speaker 7: to say this, this is exactly the kind of swamp
Speaker 7: style politics that elected that got Donald Trump elected in
Speaker 7: the first place. Americans know that this kind of fraud
Speaker 7: and waste and abuse to buy votes is happening. That's
Speaker 7: exactly what happened in Minnesota. The governor there, needing a
Speaker 7: particular constituency to be with him, was afraid to challenge
Speaker 7: what was happening in this particular immigrant community. You look
Speaker 7: like I love immigrants.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 7: My parents were immigrants from Greece. It's not about race,
Speaker 7: it's not about immigrants. It's about fraud and crime. And
Speaker 7: what happened there is exactly why the American people turned
Speaker 7: to a total outsider in Donald Trump. Tim Walls is
Speaker 7: an old school political guy who knows better than anyone
Speaker 7: Mike had to dole out favors in exchange for votes.
Speaker 7: That disgusting relationship between your tax dollars and buying votes
Speaker 7: must stop. Donald Trump ran against it, but Bake Ramaswami
Speaker 7: will run against it. We need these these outsider voices
Speaker 7: who come out and they're a voice for you, the people.
Speaker 7: What's happening there, though, is exactly why Donald Trump has
Speaker 7: been elected president twice, because the American people know that
Speaker 7: kind of garbage goes on and it must stop. And
Speaker 7: last thing, Governor Tim Wallash should resign tomorrow. Oh yeah, press,
Speaker 7: and he's up its game. They need to investigate. They
Speaker 7: need to be covering this in the same way that
Speaker 7: that young twenty three year old YouTuber has investigated it,
Speaker 7: and he needs to resign as a sign of accountability
Speaker 7: in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: It's all about accountability. Hit the nail on the head
Speaker 1: and we talked about that earlier in the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: the dude shows up, the podcaster guy, nobody's there. It's
Speaker 1: called something learning center. They didn't spell learning right, and
Speaker 1: apparently like four million bucks was pumped into that thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's incredible, you know, And I won't ask you
Speaker 1: this unless you care to weigh in. I just kind
Speaker 1: of looking around doing some informal legal research. At some
Speaker 1: point I think the elected officials, to wit, the governor
Speaker 1: and the Attorney General of Minnesota, they ought to be
Speaker 1: considered for that on I don't know, some kind of
Speaker 1: gross negligence thing, but it's just it gets worse every week.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're following her. Janis Heisel of
Speaker 1: The Epoch Times is a guest a frequent guest on
Speaker 1: this show. She is all over at alex to the
Speaker 1: point where she was recognized by none other than Newt Gingrish.
Speaker 1: Her reporting a new put a thing in that, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you're doing a great job out there. Keep
Speaker 1: it up. I guess there's a question in there somewhere.
Speaker 1: But I guess, as in your prior roles as a
Speaker 1: prosecutor and judge, do you think there's a possibility that
Speaker 1: that would happen, assuming I guess this is a big
Speaker 1: assumption that none of those people are shoving money in
Speaker 1: their pockets.
Speaker 7: Well, I sure hope that they're fully investigated, and you know,
Speaker 7: like like any other good lawyer, you know, I'm going
Speaker 7: to allow them a presumption here, but at this point
Speaker 7: I'm going to tell you that they better be investigated.
Speaker 7: But the other thing that you said very quickly is
Speaker 7: that at least one outlet, Epoch Times, is covering this
Speaker 7: just just for fun, and it was painful. This morning,
Speaker 7: I tuned into the Today Show at seven AMS. You know, Mike,
Speaker 7: those those morning shows are particularly egregious because they've got
Speaker 7: such a big followership, the cash couts for the networks.
Speaker 7: So I thought, you know what, I've followed this story
Speaker 7: breaking all weekend. One hundred million views by this young
Speaker 7: man if you know what we're talking about. By the way, yes,
Speaker 7: because you did follow the mainstream news. But there's a
Speaker 7: huge Minnesota fraud scandal. Anyway, I thought the Today Show
Speaker 7: has to at least give it a mention.
Speaker 5: No, Mike, they talked about the weather.
Speaker 7: They talked about that Malaysian plane crash from eleven years ago.
Speaker 7: You know, they talked about you know, Russian but the
Speaker 7: Ukrainian peace, which is a legitimate way to talk. But
Speaker 7: I will tell you these other things, the weather. How
Speaker 7: many more weather stories are we going to get when
Speaker 7: we have what is the biggest fraud scandal into the billions.
Speaker 7: I'm a guy that once was on the national presidential ticket.
Speaker 7: They would just never imagine if this was Sarah Palin
Speaker 7: to Alaska and on her watch. I mean again, we're
Speaker 7: going back some years, right, Mike, But imagine a person
Speaker 7: who's been on the national ticket for the Republican Party
Speaker 7: having this kind of fraud happening in their state. The
Speaker 7: mainstream press would be all over Yeah, and they're not.
Speaker 7: It's just about practice. But you know it's it's it's
Speaker 7: me belly yaked.
Speaker 1: About the press.
Speaker 5: I could do it every minute of every day.
Speaker 7: I'm thankful that Elon Musk and Twitter exists, and that
Speaker 7: we have some independent people out there shining the light
Speaker 7: of the public on this horrible fraud and this swapish behavior.
Speaker 5: So that's my fake on that.
Speaker 1: Not only that, thank God for Fox News. Hey, we're
Speaker 1: out of time, Alex. Really appreciate your time this morning
Speaker 1: and hope we can call on you again.
Speaker 5: Great American, My happy New Year to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. All right, boy, he's charged up, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. Hey, we are out of here.
Speaker 1: I will be back tomorrow. Mike Allen's seven hundred WLW