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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American idiot?

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Speaker 2: Solob be back on seven hundred WW Man, We've got

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Speaker 2: everything going on all at the same time. We'll begin

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Speaker 2: with this story. This morning, federal judge has allowed Ohio,

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Speaker 2: the Buckeye State, to begin transferring unclaimed funds starting first

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Speaker 2: the year of finance at new Brown Stadium and all

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Speaker 2: of these millions, if not hundreds of millions, and now

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Speaker 2: we're into the billions of dollars when it comes to

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Speaker 2: unclaimed funds at Ohio. There's a lawsuit that was threatened

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Speaker 2: by Mark dan and that has now come to fruition.

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Speaker 2: It's going to challenge this US mister. Judge denied a

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Speaker 2: preliminary injunction. It said Ohio's really don't face a reparable

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Speaker 2: harm since they can still claim the money through twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty six. However, he also rejected the state's motion to

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Speaker 2: dismiss this case entirely. So the judge said, hey, it's

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Speaker 2: up to me to determine if the law's constitutional. He's

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Speaker 2: not here to decide if it's a good idea or not.

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Speaker 2: And he may have a ruling in this as early

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Speaker 2: as Tuesday on whether this preliminary injunction will be granted

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Speaker 2: on this who brought the case forward along with Mark

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Speaker 2: Dan As Jeff Cross to the Dan Law firm in Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: He's lead council. Jeff, welcome, How are you good?

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Speaker 3: How are you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. A lot to unpack here as the

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Speaker 2: state tries to move like two billion dollars up to

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Speaker 2: two billion on claim funds into an account of finance, stadiums,

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Speaker 2: cultural projects, stuff like that six hundred million for the Browns, Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: Columbus and others are probably gonna get some but let's

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Speaker 2: start here. The judge denied your request for the injunction,

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Speaker 2: but allow the case to move forward. So what's the

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Speaker 2: strategy here for you moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Well, the case is the court noted the case does

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Speaker 3: have merit, so the case will continue and we ultimately

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Speaker 3: will hope to prevail in this case because we think

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Speaker 3: our constitutional arguments are pretty strong here. It's fundamental to

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Speaker 3: what we all understand then, what the constitution protects, which

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Speaker 3: is your private property right and gives you the opportunity

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Speaker 3: to object when the state tries to take your property,

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Speaker 3: which is not happening here because the state doesn't give

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Speaker 3: anybody notice that they're seeing people's property, putting it in

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Speaker 3: a what was supposed to be a lost and found account,

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Speaker 3: but now, as it turned out, is going to be

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Speaker 3: used as a slush fund to give out money to

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Speaker 3: various projects of the legislature.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we'll unpack this a little bit here too.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with achievement laws. Obviously there are people who

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Speaker 2: will not claim funds despite public notices. Will get to

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Speaker 2: that element in just a second, but typically a state

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Speaker 2: and I think, o, hi, it's like ten years. Basically,

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Speaker 2: if you don't claim something in ten years, it reverts

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Speaker 2: back to the state because they just assume you don't

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Speaker 2: care or you're dead. Is that the biggest legal hurdle

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Speaker 2: you got to jump over.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of challenges to what the state is

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Speaker 3: doing here. First, a lot of people don't know that

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Speaker 3: their property is being seized, and there's really no legitimate

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Speaker 3: or practical way to protect yourself. So every bank account

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Speaker 3: that you own, whether it's a savings account or money

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Speaker 3: market account, or a life insurance policy or even a

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Speaker 3: safe deposit back with some personal belongings that may not

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Speaker 3: You can't protect yourself from the state seizing that property,

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Speaker 3: liquidating the property, and then you know, turning it over

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Speaker 3: to this slush fund. And we had a gentleman testify

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Speaker 3: the other day, a gentleman from Germany who had this

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Speaker 3: very experience happened him. His entire retirement account, which was

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Speaker 3: held at Charles Schwab, was confiscated by the State of California,

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Speaker 2: But there's a justification here for dormant money. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if it sits unclaimed for a decade, that suggests owners

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Speaker 2: have forgotten it, moved without affording their information, died without

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Speaker 2: their errors knowing about it, which is unfortunate for sure.

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Speaker 2: But do we do you just suggest that this money

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Speaker 2: sits there in perpetuity.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: I think what the High Supreme Court has been clear

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court a unanimous decision, when when does that happen?

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Speaker 3: Often right, in a unanimous decision not that long ago,

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Speaker 3: said that the unclaim funds is not abandoned. People simply

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Speaker 3: don't know about it. And then the state admitted on

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Speaker 3: the stand repeatedly over and over again. They do not

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Speaker 3: send any notice to anybody. So they're taking people's property

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Speaker 3: and liquidating it without their knowledge. So you can't abandon

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, we know, I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: probably one of the few things they still do, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: have to publicly notify people, so you put an ad

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Speaker 2: in all the newspaper in each of the eighty eight counties. That's,

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Speaker 2: you know, technologically back in the day that especially. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if we still do that or not. You

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Speaker 2: social media, we have public service campaigns. I mean, isn't

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Speaker 2: there a duty on the part of the person who

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Speaker 2: what the law is regarding this and therefore be informed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how far should the state go to make

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Speaker 2: sure someone is dead or incapacitated or simply doesn't care.

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Speaker 2: You can only do so much. And I guess when

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Speaker 2: I look at public notices and newspapers that seems to

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Speaker 3: Why not the sun Well, two things there, One, the

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Speaker 3: US Supreme Court has been repeatedly in multiple cases, very clear.

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Speaker 3: It is the state's duty, not the individual's duty. It

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Speaker 3: is the state's duty if they want to take your property,

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Speaker 3: notify them. The other real problem here is that the

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Speaker 3: data is bad, and we had plenty of people testify

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Speaker 3: even the state testified that the data is not valid

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Speaker 3: in a lot of cases. Isn't balid. They don't have

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Speaker 3: zip code, they don't have correct addresses. There's people in

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Speaker 3: foreign countries and other states of the United States, Wisconsin,

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Speaker 3: New York, all over the country that publication in Tyhoga

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Speaker 3: So they have no notice at all that your property

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Speaker 3: has been seized by the state of Ohio. The property

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Speaker 3: is going to be liquidated and handed over.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what the level of notification you think is constitutionally

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Speaker 3: Then, well, the Supreme Court has been very clear on

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Speaker 3: that too. It has to be something that's calculated to

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Speaker 3: reach that person. So if your data is bad and

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Speaker 3: you're not sending out any notice whatsoever, I can pretty

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Speaker 3: safely say that there's no notice whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have what potentially thirty five thousand

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Speaker 2: claimants living abroad alone would never see those notices. In

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Speaker 2: this day and age where you can do your work

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Speaker 2: from anywhere around the world for that matter, that's problematic.

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Speaker 2: They'd have to change that.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, there are plenty of municipalities and

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Speaker 3: state of Ohio. They have money's in the unclaimed fund.

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Speaker 3: You can't tell me the State of Ohio doesn't know

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Speaker 3: where the city of Cleveland, City Cincinnati is physically located,

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Speaker 3: where send the checks. They can do that. They could

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Speaker 2: And we're not doing that right now. Just to be clear,

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Speaker 2: they do nothing. Accept here's the website. Find it for yourself. Correct, gotcha? Gotcha?

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Speaker 2: If you could point to other I guess precedent. And

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Speaker 2: when it comes to notifying people, I mean I get

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Speaker 2: notifications all the time for well things like class action lawsuits.

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Speaker 2: I get a postcard that says you want to be

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Speaker 2: part of this class et cetera. Somehow they can find

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Speaker 2: me there. But the state can in this case.

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Speaker 3: Believe me, if the state and if you owe taxes

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Speaker 3: to the state, of Ohio they were trying to. I

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Speaker 3: can't imagine why in this case where they owe you money,

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Speaker 2: He is Jeff Crossman. He is lead counsel in this

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Speaker 2: case against the State of Ohio, the unclaimed funds case.

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Speaker 2: It's going to fun on all the public Stadia Cleveland

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Speaker 2: first with three hundred million or six hundred million. I

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Speaker 2: guess I should say out of this up to two

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Speaker 2: billion dollars unclaimed funds. So if you have an unclaimed

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Speaker 2: a case, or you have unclaimed funds, whether it's a

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Speaker 2: the state website to check your unclaim funds and find

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Speaker 2: them for yourself, as opposed to the state doing due

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Speaker 2: diligence to try and find you. That's the crux of

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Speaker 2: the argument he's making in the judge of federal judges

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Speaker 2: rule that the case can move forward with some guardrails

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Speaker 2: in place. There it's I think it was you, or

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Speaker 2: it was Mark dan or I had honi you compared

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Speaker 2: it to unclaimed funds to a dog shelters website. You know,

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Speaker 2: I got I think just within the last year I

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Speaker 2: went on and got like because of this case. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think about four hundred dollars on claim funds I

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Speaker 2: But the website, I mean, I didn't have a problem navigating.

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Speaker 2: But he said, it's just like the website itself is terrible,

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Speaker 2: and if it's bad, then it causes people to maybe

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Speaker 3: The website is pretty rudimentary. We had a film and

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Speaker 3: BMW internationally, and you know, he's got an IT expert,

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Speaker 3: and consider's some fundamental flaws in the way the database

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Speaker 3: One of the things we identified originally was one of

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Speaker 3: the plaintetfs in the case. His name is pretty common.

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Speaker 3: It's Codd Butler. If you put that name into the database,

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Speaker 3: it fits back a thousand and it cuts off there.

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Speaker 3: There might be ten thousand Todd Butler's in there. You'll

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Speaker 3: never know whether or not those other ones are in

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Speaker 3: Then the state admitted that every day, So there's just

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Speaker 3: really no way to know what property you truly have

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Speaker 3: in that whole front there's no way to search it all.

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Speaker 2: Imagine a government website or something the government not working properly. Jeff,

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're here to try to correct the process that

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Speaker 3: was the purpose of the laws. We're not anti stadium construction.

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Speaker 3: We're not anti Cleveland Browns were all sports here in

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Speaker 3: dan law. But we do think that the government should

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Speaker 3: act constitutionally, and we do think that they should employe

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Speaker 3: some better safeguards to make sure people's rights are protected.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's important FACETA too. This is

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Speaker 2: not about going after the Cleveland Browns or the fund.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at it this way. So I think

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Speaker 2: someone made the accusation. This is about opposing public funding

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Speaker 2: for stadiums and billionaire stadiums rather than property rights. But

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Speaker 2: would you be in the same position if it were

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Speaker 2: funding schools, hospital something, all those lies.

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Speaker 3: Well unclaimed funds. The way they're doing it is unconstitutional,

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Speaker 3: So you know our position is constitutionally, this doesn't make

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Speaker 3: any sense if it was a public purpose, a true

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Speaker 3: public purpose like building a school or building a fire station,

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Speaker 3: for example, that has a much more, much stronger justification

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Speaker 3: than in this case. Because it is money being used

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Speaker 3: it's a taking for a non public purpose.

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Speaker 4: Is there there is a problem there too, Jeff?

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Speaker 2: Is there a way you'd be satisfied? I mean, are

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Speaker 2: you posted using unclan funds for a public person purposes generally,

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Speaker 2: or is it's problematic just the stadium funding, or is

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Speaker 2: there a way to you, for you and your clients

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Speaker 2: or and your planing to those who brought the suit

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Speaker 3: Well, there are two constitutional issues here. One is the

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Speaker 2: Again, Jeff Crossman's here from the Dan Law firm. He's

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Speaker 3: The judge made a decision on the Pulomerian junction. Now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to be. You know, you laid out

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Speaker 3: Well, that's an open question. I mean that was That's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff, all the best. Thanks for chepping on this

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Speaker 2: I've got some time here maybe to talk about this. So,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've checked the Unclaimed fun site.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of torn on this, but I tend to

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Speaker 2: That strike too, But I think if the state where

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Speaker 2: nice to get votes. I'm the guy who got the

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Speaker 2: I think you fix a website and make a concerned effort,

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Speaker 2: of Ohio for unclaimed funds to finance well Cleveland Brown Stadium.

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Speaker 2: But let's face it, it's going to finance a redo

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Speaker 2: like I said, I did, I didn't have a problem

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Speaker 2: I mean, how far how much notification should we give you?

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Speaker 5: Hi let's have a comment where I work at a

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Speaker 2: That tough go back to the tach Well, how you

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Speaker 2: the cost of stadiums and not lean back on taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: Largely because of what happened in Cincinnati back in the ninety.

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Speaker 5: But why wouldn't like the small business that I work for,

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Speaker 3: They put forth the.

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Speaker 5: Effort to try and find the people. Yeah, should they

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Speaker 6: Hey, Frank, morning, I have a sort of a humor

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Speaker 4: About four years ago. I thought, I'm going to take.

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Speaker 7: Them look it up and see if I can.

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Speaker 6: Find anything, because I always if I get some money

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Speaker 6: So I applied for it, and in about three weeks

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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep it.

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Speaker 6: And needless to say, I did not donate one cent

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Speaker 2: Well you could have, would be more than tithing, though

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Speaker 6: and I still have it.

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Speaker 2: That's why I never I get I'm sure you do

435
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Speaker 2: postcards for class action suits and settlements, and you're part

436
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Speaker 2: of this class and you want the like I'm gonna

437
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 2: get like forty two cents and the attorney's going to

438
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Speaker 2: get forty two million, So it's not even worth my time.

439
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Speaker 2: You know, That's exactly right.

440
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Speaker 6: But I just had fun with and every once in

441
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Speaker 6: a while i'd come across that letter or that's just

442
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Speaker 6: funny for three cents frame that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. It's like the first dollar you

444
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Speaker 2: make in a business. I framed the three cent check

445
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Speaker 2: right there, no doubt about it. It's like, I know

446
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Speaker 2: how that works with the class action had a gym

447
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Speaker 2: membership from nineteen ninety two. I'm gonna get how much Wow,

448
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Speaker 2: we're gonna sell us for millions of dollars. Okay, Gret,

449
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Speaker 2: how much do I get? You get forty two cents? Yeah, okay,

450
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Speaker 2: I'm good. One more of Les's two up Portsmouth and

451
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Speaker 2: Ross on the Scottsland Show on seven hundred WW thanks

452
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Speaker 2: for checking in, man on Hold, I appreciate you. What's up.

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Speaker 7: I'm totally against giving money to billionaires for their playgrounds.

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Speaker 7: Number one. Number two our legislators was well cordoraty probably

455
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Speaker 7: thirty years to go to figure out school funding. Number

456
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Speaker 7: two or number three is we also have a property

457
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Speaker 7: tax issue. I would much rather see the school funding

458
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Speaker 7: and the property tax get taken care of with this money.

459
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Speaker 7: Seeing how this is public funds and not our legislators

460
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Speaker 7: funds and not rich people's funds, which should be used

461
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Speaker 7: for the better of the people that work in this

462
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Speaker 7: state and have funds coming to them instead of rich

463
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Speaker 7: people and politicians. And if they want a new stadium

464
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Speaker 7: in Cleveland, go to that city or that county and

465
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Speaker 7: let the voters in that county decide the House and

466
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Speaker 7: Family needs money from them and not from the whole state.

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Speaker 2: Well, the state's going to wind up kicking money in

468
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Speaker 2: just the nature of it, because the revenue that comes

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Speaker 2: in from NFL football and the prestigio I mean, you know,

470
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Speaker 2: it's a measurable but the prestige of having two NFL

471
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Speaker 2: teams in Ohio. They don't want to lose that for

472
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Speaker 2: obvious reasons. And as far as the billionaires go, I mean,

473
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Speaker 2: we can't speak of the deal that the Brown family got.

474
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Speaker 2: It's much better than in the nineties, for sure, but

475
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Speaker 2: relative to the one in Cleveland. You know, the six

476
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars, the Hasms are essentially putting up a

477
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Speaker 2: billion of their own money in this. That's it's not

478
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Speaker 2: like we're just giving the money away. There are stipulations

479
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Speaker 2: along with this.

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Speaker 7: Well, but it's not their money to give away, the

481
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Speaker 7: politicians or anyone's money to give away. It's the people's friends.

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Speaker 7: It's unclaimed. It stirs and if they're like our local

483
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Speaker 7: newspaper here, which is a very poor newspaper that nobody

484
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Speaker 7: buys it, and they put it in there, nobody sees it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it is on it is on social

486
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Speaker 2: you know, I get what you're saying. But at the same time,

487
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Speaker 2: is like, do you just hold on the money. There's

488
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Speaker 2: there's money in that fund that's more than ten years old.

489
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Speaker 2: I mean, at some point, what do you do with

490
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Speaker 2: the money? I think it's a legit, legit issue. It's

491
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Speaker 2: called achievement in that there's a there's a cure period

492
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Speaker 2: there until like ten years in Ohio that says, you know,

493
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Speaker 2: if you don't claim the money after ten years and

494
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Speaker 2: because reverts back to the how we want to spend

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Speaker 2: it as the public fund. So you know, I think

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Speaker 2: there's there's there's some there's some burden on the person

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Speaker 2: who the money is owed to as well to claim

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Speaker 2: it true.

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Speaker 7: But do you know what if I'm fifteen years behind

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Speaker 7: or got a tax built from fifteen years ago, they

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Speaker 7: can miraculously find me.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no question there. And you, oh, you know,

503
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Speaker 2: you know two bucks on of your taxes from six

504
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Speaker 2: and a half years ago. They're going to find a

505
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Speaker 2: way to come at you again. They can find you

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Speaker 2: when they need to find you. In that, my friend,

507
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Speaker 2: we both agree on there's no doubt about it. I

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Speaker 2: got to go Ross, thanks for checking in this morning.

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Speaker 2: I think it's the calls at five, one, three, seven,

510
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Speaker 2: eight hundred, the big one talk back if you're listening

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Speaker 2: to or radio app. I mean it is something else

512
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Speaker 2: they will if they need to find you, they will

513
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Speaker 2: find you. This one maybe not so much. I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that I agree with the state one hundred percent

515
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Speaker 2: of this. I lean towards doing this, uh, simply because

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Speaker 2: I think the best thing would have done is to,

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Speaker 2: you know, attach a attax to gaming. I don't know

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Speaker 2: why I didn't support that, and particularly you know when

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Speaker 2: you talk about the big sports books out there, you

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Speaker 2: know other day I wouldn't do the what forty percent

521
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Speaker 2: that New York is doing fifty whatever, It something ridiculous,

522
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Speaker 2: but you know, you could definitely do seventeen to twenty

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Speaker 2: percent tax on them, and that will come out of

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Speaker 2: the big It's not like you know, you're they're going

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Speaker 2: to charge you more. And I think you know when

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Speaker 2: you examine that, I'm not for gouging businesses no matter

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Speaker 2: what device is. But at the same time, you look

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Speaker 2: at going, well, you know they're making still making a

529
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Speaker 2: lot of money, and it's not like you can go

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Speaker 2: and get it out of you know, past that those

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Speaker 2: costs on to the consumer when it comes to gaming,

532
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: everyone's got enough money in that seemed the way to go.

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Speaker 2: But for some reason decide not to do that and

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Speaker 2: do this route as well, which is a lot more

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Speaker 2: sticky in my opinion. But you know, you clean up

536
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Speaker 2: the website thing, make it a little bit more user friendly.

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Speaker 2: That's not hard. The other one is actually notifying people

538
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Speaker 2: and going doing your due diligence, trying to locate so

539
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Speaker 2: when you can. When it comes to taxes, I don't

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Speaker 2: know why you wouldn't do it with the unclaimed funds. Anyway,

541
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Speaker 2: I got to get a time out in just to

542
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Speaker 2: happen the show. We'll switch it up a little bit here.

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Speaker 2: Scotty Johnson, Chair of Law and Public Safety. I couldn't

544
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Speaker 2: agree with Scotty Moore on the issue of going wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, hold on just a second. We had the

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Speaker 2: George Floyd Blm protest back in twenty twenty summer twenty twenty,

547
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Speaker 2: and we had countless people come in, not only from

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Speaker 2: Ohio locally, but many many people from out of state.

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Speaker 2: As you know, any tempt there's a big protest like this,

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Speaker 2: you're going to get interlopers coming in. Most of the

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Speaker 2: people acted well in protests extra their First Amendment rights.

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Speaker 2: We did have some issues, however, and when the city

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Speaker 2: said Hey, listen, we've got a lot of people in

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Speaker 2: the city right now. We're going to institute a curfew,

555
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Speaker 2: and if you break curfew, we're going to arrest you.

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Speaker 2: The problem with that, though, of course, is the fact

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Speaker 2: that these people collectively got together, four hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: nine of them and sued the city and the county.

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Speaker 2: And I, you know, if we pass and say there's

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Speaker 2: an ordinance here arresting criminals because there's a curfew, much

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Speaker 2: like Joe Niles and I understand your right to peacefully assemble,

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Speaker 2: but you also have, like anything, there are limits to

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Speaker 2: those constitutional rights. Kind of a yelling fire in a

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Speaker 2: crowded theater. I don't know how that doesn't apply here.

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Speaker 2: And bigger question is why isn't Why didn't the city

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Speaker 2: just fight this thing. I'll get to Scotti on that

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Speaker 2: coming up next on the show here on the Home

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Speaker 2: of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: You do want to be American?

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Speaker 8: All right?

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Speaker 2: Here we go, second of the show stopped flowing on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred w welw busy today, busy, busy, busy. The

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Speaker 2: city and the county have settled in a lawsuit, so

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Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty, during the Black Lives Matter George

575
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Speaker 2: Floyd protests here in Cincinnati went about four hundred and

576
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Speaker 2: sixty nine protesters, exactly four hundred and sixty nine protesters,

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Speaker 2: I should say. During those protests they have alleged in

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Speaker 2: their suits police brutality in humane conditions of the Hamlin

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Speaker 2: County jail and as part of the settlement which has

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Speaker 2: been finalized Hamlin County, the jailers pay sixty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: The city on the hook for eight million dollars. Scottie Johnson,

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Speaker 2: council member, not happy about this at all, of course,

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Speaker 2: Chairs Public Safety and Governance of the City of Cincinnati. Scotty,

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Speaker 2: welcome back, my friend. How are you doing? Man?

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Speaker 9: Doing well, Scott A little busy, but yeah, all's welly.

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Speaker 4: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Ian you as well. I appreciate you taking time out.

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Speaker 2: You know, I read your comments and saw your comments.

589
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Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more on this one. What's

590
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Speaker 2: disturbing about this is well, on a number of levels,

591
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Speaker 2: the city paying eight million of the eight point one

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Speaker 2: million dollars, some of the county only paying sixty five

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and I think also the fact that you mean,

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Speaker 2: it seems like the city and you know better than

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Speaker 2: I will, it seems like the first thing they want

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Speaker 2: to do is settle as opposed to actually fighting. So

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Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine a jury looking at what happened in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty and going, yeah, you know what, these people

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Speaker 2: are victims. I wouldn't see that happening in Hamlet County.

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Speaker 2: Quite honestly, are you surprised we didn't fight this?

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Speaker 9: Well, according to our law department, there was a lot

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Speaker 9: of negotiation that took place, and the biggest thing that

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Speaker 9: came back was there was a possibility, if we were

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Speaker 9: to lose this, you could be paying double of the

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Speaker 9: eight million. You know what disturbs me more than anything

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Speaker 9: else is the fact that I'm still waiting on the

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Speaker 9: numbers of how many of these people were actually residents

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Speaker 9: of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: And I think what.

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Speaker 9: Happens, Scott is we send a very dangerous precedent that

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Speaker 9: Cincinnati is a place that you can come break the

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Speaker 9: law and get paid for breaking the law. Now, let

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Speaker 9: me say this, nobody can doone civil rights being violated.

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Speaker 9: Nobody condones mistreatment of any form or any shape, form

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Speaker 9: or fashion but let's just be let's get to the

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Speaker 9: meat and potatoes here. The Cincinnati police were faced with

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Speaker 9: extremely difficult circumstances. And when you have a number of

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Speaker 9: I guarantee you some of these people that are going

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Speaker 9: to get paid are professional protests. They go from city

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Speaker 9: to city and do what they believe is within their rights,

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Speaker 9: and the police respond to that. We had property damage,

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Speaker 9: we had police officers being assaulted, and that is something

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Speaker 9: that is completely unacceptable in Cincinnati. So now you got

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Speaker 9: people coming into Cincinnati to protest, that's your right to

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Speaker 9: protest peacefully.

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Speaker 4: But after the police give you.

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Speaker 9: Instructions and lay down the law, you need to follow

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Speaker 9: that law.

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Speaker 4: Now when you as it.

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Speaker 9: Was indicat during twenty twenty, nobody talked about police brutality.

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Speaker 9: All the conversation was about how they were treated when

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Speaker 9: they got to the jail in the Sally Point part

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Speaker 9: area of the county jail. And now the city is

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Speaker 9: getting ready to pay eight million dollars. Something doesn't smell

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Speaker 9: right here at all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The thing is because you had four hundred and seventy

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Speaker 2: nine people a little start there, that's an extreme number

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Speaker 2: of big size crowd for police officers to deal with.

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Speaker 2: I look at that number, go, okay, that's pretty substantial there,

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Speaker 2: and it would be reasonable based on the threats towards

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Speaker 2: law enforcement, maybe based on property damage and the like,

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Speaker 2: is to institute a curfew. And they're saying that that

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Speaker 2: is somehow unconstitutional. You know, you're not saying you can't protest.

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Speaker 2: But we know that these We know that our consocial

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Speaker 2: rights are not an absolute right. The old yelling and

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Speaker 2: screaming fire in a crowded theater, for example, that's not

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Speaker 2: a First Amendment violation. Our thing putting up reasonable curfew

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Speaker 2: for adult protesters is would stand a constitutional test, wasn't

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Speaker 2: you know? I mean, you're not saying you can protest,

651
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: you just have to do it and you gotta go

652
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: up the street at dark. Because while we've seen what

653
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: happened across the country with cities literally burning down, Scottie

654
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: Johnson private property being destroyed by these protesters, that it

655
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 2: was reasonable to an actor curfew.

656
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: What's wrong with that exactly?

657
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Speaker 9: And see that's we have a right and the mayor,

658
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 9: and the mayor has a right to institute a protests

659
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 9: until control is until the Cincinnati police get control back

660
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 9: in the city. So I'm with you one hundred percent

661
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 9: on that. Then if you look what happened after the

662
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 9: after the four hundred and sixty nine people were arrested, Cincinnati,

663
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 9: unlike other major cities, didn't have another day of knuckleheads

664
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 9: running through our city.

665
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Speaker 4: So the issue here is.

666
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Speaker 9: As what's disturbing to me is nobody talked about police brutality.

667
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 9: All complaints came from my recognition recognition recollection. And I'm

668
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 9: not saying I know everything, but all complaints were about

669
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 9: how they were treated when they got to the jail.

670
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 9: And I'm saying that if that's the case, then therefore,

671
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 9: why is the county writing a measly little check for

672
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 9: sixty five thousand in the city's writing a check.

673
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Speaker 4: For eight million.

674
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 9: All complaints during that time were about how they were

675
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 9: treated at the jail and the Sallyport area. I took

676
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 9: hundreds of prisoners in there over a career. It belongs

677
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 9: to the county. It appears based on video, that's where

678
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 9: they were left in the Sallyport area.

679
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: And if there were.

680
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 9: Cases of brutality by this Sinnati police that's just now

681
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 9: coming to light.

682
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, let's focus on that, Scotty real quick. Here

683
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: is because the lawsuit alleges that polices to be CPD

684
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: used tear gas, pepper spray, flash bangs and crowds or

685
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: maybe just flash grenades on crowds including disabled people and

686
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: children that are caught up in there, that they were

687
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: detained on hours on buses outside in the weather, and

688
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: that would have been in the summer, with no access

689
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: to toilet, water, food, blankets, shelter, or necessary medication. In

690
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: the sally Port Hamilt County. It's an open air sally

691
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 2: port there. But again, if you had four hundred and

692
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: seventy nine people to process, that's going to take some time.

693
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: You're going to be sitting out there. Relative to the

694
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: tear gas, pepper spray and flash grenades, did Cincinnati to

695
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: your knowledge, CPD officers ever deploy that.

696
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 9: I think there might have been some pepper spray to

697
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 9: get peak some crowds under control. I'm not sure Scott

698
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 9: one hundred percent whether flash bangs were used, but if

699
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 9: they were used, I get Cincinnati police are the best

700
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 9: trained in this nation. If they were used, it was necessary,

701
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 9: I know for a fact based on the commanders that

702
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 9: were running that during that time. Tactically sound gentlemen, ladies

703
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 9: and gentlemen. So if it was necessary to use flash banks,

704
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 9: then that those were deployed. But we gotta make sure

705
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 9: that Cincinnati is not a place you got to write

706
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 9: to protests. I support protests if it's orderly and there's

707
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 9: no property damage, but you don't get to come to

708
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 9: Cincinnati act lawless and then you get a check for that.

709
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 9: That's a problem, and we gotta make sure that message

710
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 9: is clear. You can come to Cincinnati and protests, but

711
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 9: you're gonna do it peacefully, and you're gonna do it

712
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 9: under the laws that the city of Cincinnati have in place.

713
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: For those people who maybe weren't around then, weren't born there,

714
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 2: or were less paying attention, or simply forgot. Because this

715
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: goes back to twenty twenty five years later, each year

716
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: in my life's got in about you feels like it's

717
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: about I can barely remember what I did yesterday alone,

718
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: five years ago. Nonetheless, the reality of life is that

719
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: something's happened during those protesters. I recall, can you enlighten

720
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: us as to some of the things that members that

721
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: are not all I think they're largely well behaved. But

722
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: of course, as you said, there's gonna be some knuckleheads

723
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: in a group like that trying to take their liberties

724
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: with the law. What did you see or what did

725
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: you hear at the time that would have constituted a

726
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: reason to enforce this curfew that the city says, Well.

727
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 9: You had, first of all, you had people unfortunate of

728
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 9: people in traffic where there's here's the thanks Scott, and

729
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 9: I'll get to that. Number one is Cincinnati police are

730
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 9: responsible for making sure everybody safe. That's the residents not

731
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 9: involved in protests. Those are business owners. Those are the protesters.

732
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Speaker 9: So some were in traffic causing possibly being a hazard

733
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 9: to getting hit by cars. The Cincinnati police were responsible

734
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 9: for fake making. I'm sure nobody got hit by cars.

735
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 9: You don't get to shut down traffic in Cincinnati where

736
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 9: a possibility you get ran over by car. Then people

737
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 9: are pointing at the police. Were where were the police?

738
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 9: So we had people in traffic, we had people breaking windows,

739
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 9: we had people throwing things at the police. You had

740
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 9: people attempting to assault police. So those are things that

741
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 9: would justify we're going to bring order back to Cincinnati

742
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 9: and implement a curfew. How in the world a curfew

743
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 9: is unconstitutional when you have people committing crimes is beyond

744
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 9: my belief. So those factors led to the fact that

745
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 9: it's time for people to get off the streets so

746
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Speaker 9: order to be restored in.

747
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Speaker 2: Cincinnati, Scottie Johnson, would this settlement and a grain You

748
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: know with settlements there's no fault, there is given. But

749
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: based on the precedent set saying that, okay, curf you

750
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: can't have a curfew anymore for adults. Would does that

751
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: then undermine the juvenile curfew the Cincinnati has.

752
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 9: No we're gonna push that. No, I pray not, because

753
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 9: let's just be frank. Young people obviously have shown in

754
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 9: the past they don't know how to conduct themselves. Some

755
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 9: not all don't know how to conduct themselves, and they

756
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 9: need to be home at a specific hour. There's nothing

757
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 9: positive for people under eighteen after midnight, Absolutely nothing positive.

758
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 9: You need to be at home somewhere. So let's hope

759
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 9: that's not Let's hope. And I think we need to

760
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 9: stick to making sure our young people are safe. It's

761
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 9: a safety issue for them also, and so we're not

762
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 9: going to We're not going to back off. We don't

763
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 9: need to change all policies and procedures every time somebody

764
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 9: sues or every time somebody gets paid in a settlement.

765
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 9: We've got a fantastic city here. We're gonna make sure

766
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 9: that we keep it safe, and we're gonna make sure

767
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 9: the Cincinnati Police are supported in making sure all citizens

768
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 9: are safe. I think Scott has a re all of this, though.

769
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 9: We've seen better communication between the city and the county,

770
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 9: the city police and the Sheriff's department at the jail,

771
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 9: and I think everybody was overwhelmed when you arrest four

772
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 9: hundred and sixty nine people. But I still go back

773
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 9: to we didn't hear complaints during the twenty twenty that

774
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 9: they were people were being brutalized by the Cincinnati police.

775
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 9: The complaints came as a result of how long they

776
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 9: had to sit in the sally Port.

777
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: Look, if you break the law, don't.

778
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 9: Look for us to put a pamper on you or

779
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 9: provide you with air conditioned and feed you and.

780
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: All of those different things.

781
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 9: You know, that's just stuff that people that professional protesters

782
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 9: need to know that, and you need to understand that

783
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 9: the Cincinnati.

784
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 4: Police are here to enforce the law.

785
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 9: They're not here to provide you with pampers and water

786
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 9: and all of that.

787
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 4: Different type of stuff. When you break the law.

788
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 9: You know, I don't want to see anybody abuse or

789
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 9: brutalized or rights violated. But when you break the law,

790
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 9: then you need to be in for what comes with that.

791
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not Baltimore, but I subscribe to the theory.

792
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: You know, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you've

793
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: got a six ro you know, sitting around for six

794
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: or seven hours in the heat of the sally Port

795
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: while you're waiting to be processed, that's that's something you

796
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: should have considered prior to your activity, or prior to

797
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: being someone who's going to knowingly break the law. He

798
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: is a council member. Scotti Johnson on the Scott's lun

799
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: Show seven hundred WW Chair of Public Safety and Government.

800
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: City settling with these four hundred and sixty nine protesters

801
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: for the tune of eight million dollars roughly, but the

802
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: county Hamlet County is only on the hook for sixty

803
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. The lawsuit describes, as I mentioned, the

804
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: protest as being held for hours on buses which are

805
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: air conditioned by the way, and then outside without access

806
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: to toilet or water or medication.

807
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

808
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: I remember seeing news coverage of you guys handing out

809
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: bottles of water to people. Is that an acceptable level

810
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: of detention your eyes of someone? The law enforcement and

811
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: should the law should? Should the courts look at this

812
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: and go, hey, look, these are extenuating circumstances. We were

813
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: overwhelmed with lawbreakers and they knowingly violated the curfew that

814
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: was in place to protect businesses and the quality of

815
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: life in Cincinnati. You can protest, but we can limit

816
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: where and what that protest looks like. That seemed to

817
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: be from what I remember, it was reasonable at the time.

818
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: How did this become so unreasonable? And why is the

819
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: county only paying sixty five grand?

820
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 9: That's that's Those are great questions, and you said it.

821
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 4: You know we're not No.

822
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 9: If Cincinnati leads the leads the nation in reform, we

823
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 9: lead the nation, and we respecting people's civil rights, We

824
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 9: lead the nation when it comes to being community oriented.

825
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 9: So we know our track record is clean when it

826
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 9: comes to how we treat people, in how we interact

827
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 9: with citizens.

828
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 4: If Cincinnati, he's God.

829
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 9: I'm still waiting to see what numbers, how many of

830
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 9: these people actually live in Cincinnati, and how many of

831
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 9: them from out of town. So those are things we

832
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 9: got to take under consideration. Also, as you said, we

833
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 9: were overwhelmed, the county was, the jail was overwhelmed. So

834
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 9: I think better communication has been established as a result

835
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 9: of what happened here, But we got to make sure

836
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 9: people understand that you need to follow the law in

837
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 9: Cincinnati when you come.

838
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: Here to protest.

839
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 9: I'm still that discrepancy, that's huge discrepancy between sixty.

840
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: Five thousand and eight million.

841
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 9: That's still a huge question to get that. I'm still

842
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 9: I'm still puzzled by Yeah, because.

843
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 2: What I described outside of the maybe the flash bangs

844
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: being used in tear gas, but that's reasonable considering the

845
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: way some of the crowd or acting control of the crowd.

846
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: But if the major crux of this was being held

847
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: on buses for hours and sitting out in the sally

848
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: port and no access to medication, that would be after

849
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: Hamlin County takes custody of that subject. Correct, So that's

850
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: outside of your control. And yet the city's eight million

851
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: dollars in their sixty five grand I just I don't

852
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: understand how they came to these numbers.

853
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 9: And see here's the thing here, here's the question. Is

854
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 9: the Sallyport into Sallyport. If you're into Sallyport, are you

855
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 9: still under the control of Cincinnati Police and all the

856
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 9: other agencies in Hamilton County or do you you now

857
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 9: become under control of the county deputies once you enter

858
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 9: the just the jail.

859
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: See, I know.

860
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 9: Time and time again in the sally Port there were

861
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 9: times where you had disarly prisoners that the jets, that

862
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 9: the deputies would come and assist you and take immediate

863
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 9: control of disarly prisoners in the Sallyport area before you

864
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 9: could even get some of these.

865
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: Clowns out of the car.

866
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 9: So that's where somebody that has been there and done it.

867
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 9: That's where I'm saying, hold on, wait a minute now,

868
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 9: control is after the part prisoner's process. No, the sally

869
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 9: Port belonged. That's part of the jail. It once you

870
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 9: enter the jail. Unless something has changed in the coming

871
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 9: up on six years, hop and cone and that something

872
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 9: has changed, and.

873
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 4: Now the videos Cincinnati runs.

874
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 9: The sally portst That's why I got a real problem

875
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 9: with what happened here.

876
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh okay, So the sally part of your hearings.

877
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: It kind of looks like in some areas looks like

878
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: a garage you've ever seen a cop show. It's or

879
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: the unit'll roll in, there's a gate or a door.

880
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: You come in, it's secure. The sub subject has taken

881
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: and cuffs, usually to a a window where you're literally

882
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: you're transferring control from Cincinnati to the county. At some

883
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: point you're actually signing or you're signing this away, and

884
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: it's like a legal it's a legal exchange saying, okay,

885
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: you now have legal custody of this individual or individuals

886
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: the case may be. H The sally Port in Hamlet

887
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: County is not you know, it's it's not an air

888
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: conditioned area. It's and it's kind of like a courtyard

889
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: sort of speak. But it's pretty clear that you're trying

890
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: you and and all the arrests you've enacted in your

891
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: professional Chris Scottie Johnson, you literally signed custody over to

892
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: the county. When when when they're sitting there in there

893
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: on county land being monitored by deputies and jailers, that's

894
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: out of your control. And yet uh, the city is

895
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: the one having to foot the bill for this. It's

896
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: just it's really really interesting why we came to the sellment.

897
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: You think at some point we ain't know why they

898
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: came to this conclusion.

899
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 9: I think, yeah, I think those questions are definitely being

900
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 9: asked by my colleagues. I've got the same question. But

901
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 9: I think the preliminary response from law has been that, uh,

902
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 9: we we could have gone down a rabbit hole where

903
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 9: we're paying almost double the eight million. I don't understand

904
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 9: that part. Not an attorney, I don't know everything. So

905
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 9: you know, the experts get to lead on this. But

906
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 9: as you as you explained properly as a Cincinnati police officer,

907
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 9: to even get in the sally Port, their security. So

908
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 9: once your car passes through one gate, stuck between two

909
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 9: gates before you even get into the big area. So

910
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 9: that to me would say, that's county control. So once

911
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 9: those metro buses with four hundred plus people got in

912
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 9: the sally Port, you're now on county property and the

913
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 9: deputy sheriffs have control. Unless something has changed over the

914
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 9: six years.

915
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: I don't think it has. I think there's that legal custody,

916
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: there's that transfer issue. Scottie Johnson, I'll leave it at that, man,

917
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on this morning. Thanks for enlightening

918
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: us or maybe just frustrating us even more. I have

919
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: no idea, ope not take care of me. I appreciate you. Yeah,

920
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: so that's what eleven twelve grand per person. Awesome SALOONI

921
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: here seven hundred ww giving you a vocational leg up

922
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: on everyone else. Here's our career, Sir, Julie Bouki. You

923
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: probably heard the term winners never quit, quitters never win.

924
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: On the other hand, we do have people who are

925
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: quiet quitting, so you make sense of that. Sometimes quitty

926
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: is good. Sometimes quitting is good. Pinch hitting for Julie

927
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: Bouc today is our friend Andy Duke. Andy is a

928
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: professional decision scientist and former professional poker player to talk

929
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: about when it's okay to quit, Annie, welcome back. How

930
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: are you?

931
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 8: I'm good? Are you?

932
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: Why'd you retire from poker? Did they have enough of

933
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 2: you winning? What's going on there? Did you run some problems?

934
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Did you have to start throwing fists at people? What's

935
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: going on Annie?

936
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 6: With you?

937
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 4: No?

938
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 8: You know what. I've been doing it preteen years and

939
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 8: I just didn't I didn't enjoy it anymore. And that's

940
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 8: a really good reason to.

941
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 4: Quit something reason the question we do.

942
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're supposed to be making our sound happy, right,

943
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 8: and if you figure out that you're not happy doing something,

944
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 8: you should go do something else.

945
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't do it. You know, I've got a vegas.

946
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: I's got a Vegas and you go and you go

947
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: to bed at some ungodly hour like it, I don't

948
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning, and you roll down back

949
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: at one in the afternoon. The same people are sitting

950
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: at the poker table. My ADHD will not allow me

951
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 2: to do that.

952
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 8: Well, you know what, Actually, I think some people with

953
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 8: ADHD great hyper focused. So actually, poker it's full of

954
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 8: people with ADHD. I think it's just yet I want.

955
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 2: To chew my leg off after about an hour, I'm good. Well,

956
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: let's start with this. Uh, the idea that quitters never win,

957
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: Winners never quit. That's what we tell our kids. That

958
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: where we were told. But and I think certainly it's

959
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: a virtue, right, You've got to be persistent. You can't

960
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: quit easily. You have to keep trying and trying and trying.

961
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: But that makes it sound like quitting is a vice,

962
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: is it.

963
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, No, it's not, as I say, the opposite of

964
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 8: a great virtue is awful a great virtue.

965
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: So I agree with you.

966
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 8: The grit is a virtue. In order to succeed at something,

967
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 8: you will have had stuff to stick to it. But

968
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 8: that doesn't mean that stick to things and you'll succeed

969
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 8: because what if, like, for example, you get a concussion

970
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 8: on the football field, since you walk off the field.

971
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 8: What if you are in a job with a toxic box,

972
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 8: since you go try to find another one. Or you know,

973
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 8: a relationship that's making you deeply unhappy. You know, assuming

974
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 8: that you've tried to make it work and all times

975
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 8: point to it's not going to change, shouldn't you walk away?

976
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 8: So in fact, winners quit a lot because what they

977
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 8: do is they try a whole lot of stuff and

978
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 8: they quit all the things that aren't working so that

979
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 8: they can stick to the things that are.

980
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: It's kind of like this in the stock market. Now

981
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: you think Wall Street, right, ultra competitive and cutthroat and

982
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 2: that whole bra culture thing going on, and you would

983
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: think that, yeah, I know, quitting is a weakness, but

984
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 2: those guys quit all the time. You know, you pump

985
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: up a stock and say, okay, this is working. Out

986
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: we're going to cut and run. They do that consistently.

987
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: That's how they make that's how they're successful.

988
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 8: Well that's exactly right. I mean, that's the thing is

989
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 8: that in order to be successful, you have to quit

990
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 8: the things that aren't working. And a lot of times

991
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 8: what happens with people who are trading stops is that

992
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 8: once they own something that's losing, they find it really

993
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 8: really hard to get rid of it. This is true

994
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 8: of not necessarily elite traders, but you're average person who's

995
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 8: playing in the stock market, and you know the reason

996
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 8: is that, like, if you buy a stock at fifty

997
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 8: and it's trading at forty, don't you want to get

998
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 8: that ten dollars back? That's that feeling that we have, like,

999
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 8: well if I sell now, then like I can't get

1000
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 8: that ten dollars back. But that's something called the sunk

1001
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 8: cost fallacy. What you've already lost in it doesn't matter

1002
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 8: very much is the question of would you buy it today?

1003
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1004
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 8: And if the answer is no, I would prefer to

1005
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 8: buy something else. You want to go do that. But

1006
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 8: we get stuck in these things because of our refusal

1007
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 8: to quit.

1008
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: That makes sense, it's human nature, right, you can't just

1009
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: walk away because then you can't validate all the time

1010
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: and effort you spent getting to where you were.

1011
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 8: Well, that's exactly right. So the sunk cost fallacy doesn't

1012
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 8: just have to do with money, right, So you could

1013
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 8: be losing money in a stock and not want to

1014
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 8: walk away. But people say all the time when you know,

1015
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 8: you're talking to a friend and they're in a unhappy

1016
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 8: relationship and you say, well, why don't you walk away?

1017
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 8: And they said, because I've put so much time into it.

1018
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 8: You know, I've put a year into this relationship. I

1019
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 8: can't walk away now, or you know, in terms of effort,

1020
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 8: you say, weren't you walking away from this job? Because

1021
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 8: they'll say, because then all of my onboarding and all

1022
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 8: of the training and getting to know the culture of

1023
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 8: the workplace that will be you know, for not, I'll

1024
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 8: have wasted it. But waste isn't really a backward looking

1025
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 8: problem because that stuff has already gone. What matters is

1026
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 8: do you want to go into work the next day?

1027
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 8: Is this the right place for you to be going forward?

1028
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 8: And we have trouble thinking about waste as a forward

1029
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 8: looking problem, like in order to try to not waste

1030
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 8: something that I've already put into it. I'm going to

1031
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 8: waste more stuff is basically what ends up happening with

1032
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 8: the sun crost fallacy.

1033
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense. I think

1034
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: that's also pretty obvious. But you can hold on to

1035
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 2: something for so long you wind up harming yourself in

1036
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: the end. I think there's a great analogy here with

1037
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: a company a lot of people knowing that as Seers, right,

1038
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: how literally they were Amazon before Amazon, now not in

1039
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: the technological sense, but in the consumer and purchasing and

1040
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: warehousing sense. Absolutely. They just I think that's a fascinating story.

1041
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 8: Yeah. So Sears was so huge that in the nineteen

1042
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 8: fifties they represent one percent of gross national products. This

1043
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 8: was a really big company. So yeah, so they had,

1044
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 8: you know, they had all these retail stores. Everybody went

1045
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 8: to Sears for all of their stus. But I think

1046
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 8: it's pretty well known that they went bankrupt really in

1047
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 8: the nineties. They started to really financially falter, and then

1048
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 8: by the two thousands they were bankrupt, out of business.

1049
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 8: They try and merging with Kmart at some point, which

1050
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 8: I think people called the double suicide. The critics called

1051
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 8: it because Kmart was also faltering at that point. The

1052
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 8: thing that people don't know about Sears that I think

1053
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 8: is really interesting is that Sears was also a financial

1054
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 8: services company. So in particular in the nineteen thirties, when

1055
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 8: people started driving cars to their retail locations, they thought, oh,

1056
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 8: you know, people might need insurance to these cards, so

1057
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 8: they founded a company called All State Insurance. I assume

1058
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 8: you've heard of it.

1059
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that we started that. That's interesting, right, And.

1060
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 8: They owned it actually all the way through the early nineties,

1061
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 8: and All Say Insurance the last time I checked this

1062
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 8: market cap was with somewhere around forty billion dollars or

1063
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 8: something like that. And then they also owned a company

1064
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 8: called Being Winter, which was a really big stopware for it.

1065
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 8: I think Morgan Stanley acquired it. It was forty percent

1066
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 8: of Morgan Stanley's where if they owned Discover Card, they

1067
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 8: created the Discover card, and they had cold wal Banker.

1068
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 8: So then you have to ask for people, how did

1069
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 8: they go broke if they owned all of this stuff,

1070
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 8: And it's actually a failure to quit that caused them

1071
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 8: to go broke when they started faltering in the nineties,

1072
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 8: when all of a sudden they weren't a number one

1073
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 8: retailer anymore that went to k martin Walmart at that time,

1074
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 8: and then Target pushed them out of the way. Also,

1075
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 8: when those retail locations started faltering, the shareholders were saying,

1076
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 8: you've got to do something because these retail stores are

1077
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 8: losing money. So and you know, this other stuff is

1078
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 8: making money and it's to drag on the business. And

1079
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 8: what the board decided to do was quote unquote get

1080
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 8: back to its retailing routs. So they refused to quit

1081
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 8: the retail business. And they still off all of these

1082
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 8: amazing financial services business in order to try to save

1083
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 8: the retail business. Why wouldn't they quit that when it

1084
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 8: was obvious that you should have held on to all

1085
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 8: states I mean obviously right right, right right, because what

1086
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 8: my fears they were a retail company. It was their identity.

1087
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 8: And this is a lesson for all of us that

1088
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 8: the hardest thing to quit is who you are. So

1089
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 8: the things that you define you expet to find you,

1090
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 8: whether it's your job or your beliefs or whatever it is,

1091
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 8: those are going to be the things that's hurdest for

1092
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 8: you to walk away from.

1093
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, And you know,

1094
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: the Seers thing was. It's the killer is if you

1095
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: go back in one hundred years before the retail shops,

1096
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: most of America's are grarian, rural and people would buy

1097
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: their stuff with the Seers catalog that would show up right,

1098
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: and so they'd ship all the stuff to them. It

1099
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 2: was Amazon without the Internet, basically, is what it was.

1100
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 2: They missed out on that whole thing. And yeah, we're

1101
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: gonna stick with brick and mortar retail because you know,

1102
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: they're around the you know, the birth of the internet age

1103
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: and online shopping. They could have been all over that,

1104
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: but they chose not to. And now Sears is a

1105
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: is a tombstone and and all because probably they're sitting

1106
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: around some wood paneled boardroom looking at pictures of the

1107
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: founder of Sears and going, man, we can't disappoint the

1108
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: old man. There's a lot of analogies there, you know,

1109
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: and that that legacy kind of thing, and you know, well,

1110
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: what what the we're a retail company. Now you're your

1111
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: company that has responsibilities to shareholders and workers. That's basically

1112
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: the relationship there. You sell what people want to buy,

1113
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: and they didn't do that, and there's your lesson there. Now,

1114
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 2: On the other hand, regarding what we're talking about this

1115
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: morning on seven hundred WLW and Anny Duke is on

1116
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: she's a decision scientist. And the analogy that winners never quit, well, yeah,

1117
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: they quit all the time because they're smart. That's that's

1118
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 2: why they're winners. What what about that advice about quitting

1119
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 2: while you're ahead? Is that the extreme opposite of this.

1120
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 8: So it's really funny, you know, Scott like. So there's

1121
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 8: all this advice about quitting, most of which says, you know,

1122
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 8: never ever give up, or quitters never win. Winners never

1123
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 8: quit if first you don't try, try yet there's one

1124
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 8: that encourages you to quit it, which is quit while

1125
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 8: you're a head. And the funny thing about it, it's

1126
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 8: actually terrible advice, just like the other stuff is terrible advice.

1127
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 8: So it's clear you should shouldn't just stick to things

1128
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 8: comewhat made because context matters, right, like if you get

1129
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 8: injured in a fourse game, walk away. But quit while

1130
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 8: you're a head is really interesting because what you find

1131
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 8: with human behavior is that the time that we do

1132
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 8: tend to quit too early, at least as adults, right,

1133
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 8: kids quit too early because they can't see the reward

1134
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 8: at the end of the rainboat, right, But that's not

1135
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 8: true for adults, right. So for adults, the time that

1136
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 8: we do quit too early is when we're ahead. So

1137
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 8: if you let's say that, like in the stock market,

1138
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 8: they have something called taking and what that means basically

1139
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 8: is like, if you buy a stock at fifty, you'll

1140
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 8: decide in advance that if it gets to fifty eight

1141
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 8: you'll sell it. Right, so you'll make that decision. Ms

1142
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 8: you'll also put in an order which says, if it

1143
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 8: gets to fifty eight, I'm going to sell the stock,

1144
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 8: and it will automatically sell. What you find is that,

1145
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 8: let's say to fifty five, people will sell then instead

1146
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 8: of waiting till it gets to fifty eight. So once

1147
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 8: they're ahead of where they started, then they'll go ahead

1148
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 8: and quit and this happens. It's really interesting because what

1149
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 8: does being ahead mean? I means essentially having reached some

1150
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 8: sort of goal in your head. And so there was

1151
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 8: a really interesting study that was done with New York

1152
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 8: City cab drivers from the nineteen eighties before the days

1153
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 8: of uber, and what they found was that when they

1154
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 8: looked at their trip feet, they were driving really long

1155
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 8: hours when there weren't any fares around, and driving really

1156
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 8: short hours when there were lots of fares around. So

1157
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 8: that's weird because that's backwards. You would think they want

1158
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 8: to drive a lot when there's lots of stars, and

1159
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 8: they'd want to drive very little when they are very

1160
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 8: few fairsreat this, by the way, this pattern was costing them.

1161
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 8: They would have made fifteen percent more if they did

1162
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 8: what I just said, drive more when there were lots

1163
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 8: of fares and drive little when they're very few. So

1164
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 8: they were costing themselves a lot of money with this behavior.

1165
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 8: So the researcher said, well, what's going on? Why are

1166
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 8: they stopping so and when there's lots of fares around?

1167
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 8: And they asked the drivers, and the drivers that turned

1168
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 8: out had set like a target and earning his goal

1169
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 8: for the day, Like what, they didn't want to make

1170
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 8: three hundred dollars for the day. As soon as they

1171
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 8: hit the three hundred dollars they quit. Otherwise they would

1172
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 8: just keep going so right, So this is where you

1173
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 8: get like this quit while your head is really bad

1174
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 8: advice because what that meant was it's just them a

1175
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 8: really long time to hit their goal when there were

1176
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 8: no fares around, so they drove for a really long time.

1177
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 8: But when there were last affairs around, they quit their

1178
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 8: They quit really quickly because they got to their goal

1179
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 8: really fast. So then they considered themselves a head at

1180
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 8: that point, and so they quit as soon as they

1181
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 8: were ahead. Well, that created really bad behavior because they

1182
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 8: that's when they should have been gritty. Right, that's why

1183
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 8: I should have driving. So this is why this is

1184
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 8: just bad advice. Quit while your head. Actually really exaggerate

1185
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 8: the bias that we already have.

1186
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like everyone's this way, right are

1187
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: we Are we pre wired as humans to stick with

1188
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: the status quo?

1189
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, look, there are some you know, there

1190
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 8: are some people who who are going to be better

1191
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 8: quitters than others. But in general, when you look across

1192
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 8: human behavior, we love the status quo. And part of

1193
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 8: the reason that we love the status quo is this

1194
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 8: weird thing where when the status quo is going really poorly,

1195
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 8: we actually tolerate it much better than the fear of

1196
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 8: maybe if I switch and start something new it won't

1197
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 8: turn out well. So you'll hear this all the time,

1198
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 8: like you'll be talking to a friend who's been a

1199
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 8: job that they hate, and you'll say, well, why aren't

1200
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 8: you switching, like, go do something else? And we'll say,

1201
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 8: but what if I take a new job and I

1202
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 8: hate that? And it's such a strange thing to say,

1203
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 8: because it's like, but you hate the job you're already in,

1204
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 8: Like you know that for a fact. Yeah, there's some

1205
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 8: chance you might not like the new thing, but there's

1206
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 8: also a chance that you might really like it. But

1207
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 8: the status quo is a really comfortable place to be,

1208
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 8: and we don't even when we stick with the status quo,

1209
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 8: we do really think about it as an active decision.

1210
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 8: Like that same friend when you see them three weeks

1211
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 8: later and you say, have you quit yet, They'll say,

1212
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 8: I'm not ready to make a decision yet, and it's like, no,

1213
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 8: but you did make a decision for the last three reaps.

1214
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 8: You decided to stay in the job that you're in.

1215
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 8: So there's all these things that are causing us to

1216
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 8: stick to the thing we already know and be afraid

1217
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 8: of switching to new things. Even if those new things

1218
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 8: would you don't have a much better chance of being better.

1219
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: For it makes sense, Annie Duke, She's a decision scientist,

1220
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: and it's quit. The power of knowing when to walk

1221
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: away and quitting is not losing as long as you're

1222
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: doing it with the right intent and it's thoughtful. Annie,

1223
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: thanks again. I appreciate the time.

1224
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 4: Thank you, Annie Duke.

1225
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 2: She was in for Julie this morning, taking the day off.

1226
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: Alonder the weather. Hope she's feeling better. To be back

1227
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 2: next week for sure.

1228
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: Though.

1229
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Speaker 2: We've got a news update happening. We've got weather moving in,

1230
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: we got snow coming that we got well not yet,

1231
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: we got wind, we got rain, then snow. It's going

1232
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: to get worse before it gets better, for sure. Full

1233
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: news update coming up in just minutes and when a

1234
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: return of the show. He's Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman, the

1235
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: author of Senate Bill fifty six. This is the Ohio

1236
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: recreational law he helped craft, and it's been changed billions

1237
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: of times since it came to fruition. Some disturbing elements

1238
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: that all bad. I'm not going to think this is

1239
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: the worst thing. Ever, there's some concerns with what was negotiated.

1240
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: Try and get this thing signed by the governor. The

1241
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: biggest impact, of course, is the fact that this is

1242
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: going to make thch beverages legal again to be sold

1243
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: in bars, and that whole industry is just massive. It's

1244
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: going to eclipse the craft beer industry before too long

1245
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: because craft beer is kind of a dying thing, and

1246
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: how thhch and fuse beverages are coming along because I'm

1247
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 2: play for a lot of people. You feel better after

1248
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: you drink them. It's different kind of buzz. Nonetheless, that

1249
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: is going to be part of this thing. At least

1250
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: the Fed's come to their senses hopefully and allow that

1251
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: to be sold. They're going to get all the hemp

1252
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: based products that and those derivatives, the intoxicating derivatives that

1253
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: are sold by some convenience stores to miners. That's getting

1254
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: cleaned up so you can get that dispensers. But I

1255
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 2: mentioned there's some troubling elements here too, and that is

1256
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: the big nanny state in effect here. Look, I'm pro marijuana.

1257
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: I've been pro marijuana before this law took a when

1258
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: it was extreme, when no states allowed you to use marijuana.

1259
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm glad to see people come into their census finally,

1260
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: and I understand there's got to be some regulation, but

1261
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 2: some of this stuff just screams nanny state. From the

1262
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: people out of one side of their mouth who scream

1263
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: about how the government has to get out of your life.

1264
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: They have no problem getting in your life when it

1265
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: suits their interest. We'll get to that next with State

1266
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: Senator Steve Hoffman from Tip City coming up on the

1267
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: show right after this on the Home of the Best

1268
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 2: Bengals coverage seven hundred WLW.

1269
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 7: I do want to be an American idiot?

1270
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: Hi, Scott Calm back on seven hundred WLW and what

1271
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: feels like the I don't know one hundred and sixty

1272
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: seven thousandth provision to the Ohio Recreational Marijuana lows headed

1273
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: to the Governor's desk for his signature, and that will

1274
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: become law this time. All intoxicating him products can only

1275
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: be sold in dispensaries. It would be illegal to bring

1276
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: marijuana back to Ohio from another state. And there's a

1277
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: number of other changes, well, some minor other ones. Leaves

1278
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 2: the scratch in your head and on. That is the

1279
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: architect of what started the Senate Bill fifty six. At

1280
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: State Senator Steve Hoffman out of Justice, Tip City, Steve, how.

1281
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Speaker 10: Are you doing well on yourself?

1282
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. One hundred and sixty seven thousandth revision,

1283
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 2: I believe, and that's part of compromise and deals being made.

1284
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: But man, this thing is it really has been carved

1285
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,919
Speaker 2: up and put back together several times for sure?

1286
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 4: Well it has. It is both.

1287
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 8: You know.

1288
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 10: Initially the Senate had two bills that I had on

1289
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 10: one on marijuana, and then Senable Lady sixth on hamp

1290
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 10: the House put them together and mixed it all up,

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Speaker 10: and this is.

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Speaker 3: What we got.

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Speaker 2: Okay, could take an effect by I think in March,

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01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: if signed soon here by the governor. So let's just

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01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: jump in and I guess to me, as a civil libertarian,

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: what concerns me is there's a chance this is the

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01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: accusations of the what the seven Democrats that devoted against us.

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01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 2: But bring up some points about this could eliminate protections

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01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: from you know, maybe losing your job if you're using

1300
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: and even on your own time for that matter, necessarily

1301
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: on the job, but could get you kicked out of

1302
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 2: your rental unit if you rent an apartment or something house.

1303
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: Could also negate your parting rights in Ohio. Those are

1304
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: pretty extreme arguments against this, and how do they how

1305
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:28,919
Speaker 2: do they fit in here?

1306
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 10: I think most of those things are already in statute

1307
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 10: and are just a continuation of those so your parenting rights. Sure,

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01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 10: the judge should should be able to decide on his

1309
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 10: opinion if you have a if you smoke every Friday

1310
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 10: night and your kids are not around.

1311
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to care.

1312
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 10: But he should have the ability to say, hey, look,

1313
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 10: you're smoking every day when your child is at the

1314
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 10: home and he's two years old. He should be able

1315
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 10: to have that that discretion, And that's what we leave it.

1316
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 10: And same as the as for the employer. For the

1317
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 10: employer in medical from the beginning, if if it's a

1318
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 10: drug pre workplace, it's a drug pre workplace, he has

1319
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 10: the right to terminate you, not because you smoke, but

1320
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 10: you're you're positive at the workplace.

1321
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the one that bothers me most is

1322
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: a landlord myself. Is I get smoking because you say, hey,

1323
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: no smoking in units, but if someone vapes in one

1324
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: of your rentals, you could kick them out as well.

1325
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I agree with that.

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01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I wanted to give the discretion to

1327
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 10: the landlord because if you know somebody is in there

1328
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 10: and they're smoking, and it really stinks and you go in,

1329
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 10: you know, in a year later the guy moves out

1330
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 10: and Scott clones rental. You have to go clean it

1331
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 10: up and you just can't get that smell out and

1332
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 10: cost you thousands of dollars. It's after the discretion the

1333
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 10: guy that owns the buil.

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Speaker 2: That's reasonable, but the vaping thing doesn't leave smell, So okay,

1335
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 2: we'll leave that one out. That's a that's an outlaiyer there.

1336
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 2: This would have been intoxic eating hemp products from being

1337
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: all outside of licensed marijuana dispensaries, and it closes that

1338
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: quote unquote loophole were you know, kids underage kids were

1339
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 2: buying stuff at convenience stores and Delta eight and getting high.

1340
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that was the main thing that on

1341
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 10: the on the hemp side is to get you know,

1342
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 10: the things that looked like gummy bears and and things

1343
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 10: like that away from kids over twenty one. So that

1344
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 10: in the dispensary, we really just married neared the federal

1345
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 10: law that they you know they did in the center

1346
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 10: bill won the big beautiful bill, and we just spent

1347
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 10: that up. The feds gave it a year. We said

1348
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 10: those ninety days, you know after the governor signed it

1349
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,479
Speaker 10: to these things will go away. But we did carve

1350
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 10: out the beverages because I was thinking we got to

1351
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 10: carve out the beverages because Scott Flown and his wife

1352
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 10: like to drink beverages.

1353
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the biggest win so far. However,

1354
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: I will say that that only carries the THC. Beverages

1355
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: can be sold until the end of the year twenty

1356
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: twenty six, which is problematic, but that has to do

1357
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: with federal luck.

1358
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 4: Right.

1359
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, again, it's mirrors federal law. We also put in

1360
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 10: the bill, and that's none of the non codified section

1361
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 10: is that the House and Senate if the FED has

1362
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 10: changed that and allow for the beverages, we will come

1363
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 10: back and make a good faith effort to carve out regulations.

1364
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 10: We didn't have time to put in a tax structure,

1365
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 10: regulatory things, inspection and stuff like that. So we'll make

1366
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 10: a good if the Feds change it, will come back

1367
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 10: and make a good faith effort.

1368
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would think that the FEDS would because

1369
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 2: it is a huge industry. I mean, you know, not

1370
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 2: only were we making these seven hundred million dollars in

1371
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: the first year recremational marijuana but one of the biggest

1372
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 2: growing sectors if you talk to beverage producers, is the

1373
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: people are kind of done with craft beer and now

1374
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 2: they're moving towards the THC ones because you feel a

1375
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 2: lot better the next day we drink, you know, maybe

1376
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 2: three or four beers and you feel a little bloated

1377
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 2: and tired. You don't get that, I guess with the

1378
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 2: THC beverages, and people are buying those by now, by

1379
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: the bucketfull. Let's put it that way. We don't want

1380
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: to really, I mean, we want to be pro business here, right,

1381
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 2: You're right.

1382
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 10: I mean, look, Ryan Heist there in Cincinnati has a

1383
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 10: huge damp beverage business, and we're going to keep that

1384
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 10: and they're going to be able to do that going forward,

1385
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 10: and and uh, and they'll be able to sell it

1386
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 10: out of state.

1387
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Speaker 3: You know, we we have it.

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01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 10: We're at five milligrams here, uh in the state of

1389
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 10: Ohio and and uh, you know other states are higher,

1390
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 10: and they'll be able to produce that and send it

1391
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 10: out of state.

1392
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:49,959
Speaker 4: If they want.

1393
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out though, the criminalizing someone bringing

1394
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: product back from let's say Michigan for example, here too.

1395
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how you enforce that. I don't think

1396
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: that's enforceable. It's in a package already. How would someone

1397
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 2: know that it's purchased in Michigan and not somewhere or

1398
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: not in Ohio. And also the testing standards, it's some

1399
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 2: somehow Michigan's testing standards aren't up to snuff. I don't know.

1400
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,640
Speaker 2: Can Michigans tolerate THHC better than Ohio wins. It's not

1401
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: like they don't regulate it to some degree. What why

1402
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 2: is that in there?

1403
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 10: I believe that there are a different standard. It is

1404
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 10: federal law, now, it's state law. Now, you can't bring

1405
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 10: it across the state line. I don't think there's gonna

1406
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 10: be the high The Democrats said yesterday that they're going

1407
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 10: to be lined up in Toledo to come across when

1408
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 10: you bring it across the state line, that's not going

1409
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 10: to happen. I think there's a different testing. Uh, you

1410
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 10: can figure it out, because Ohio has has seeds to

1411
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 10: sail tracking on on all marijuana products. But I don't

1412
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 10: think it's going to be really enforced. And why why

1413
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 10: would we put it in there?

1414
01:08:57,760 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 3: Well?

1415
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 10: I think because uh, if it's abused, they'll be able

1416
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 10: to enforce it in the sense that if you're bringing

1417
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 10: you know, track too much, you cultivate too much, they'll

1418
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 10: be able to figure it out.

1419
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 4: And that is that.

1420
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 2: I hate the notion that it's another sneak and peak

1421
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: kind of thing, quite honestly, because hey, we saw you

1422
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: come out of a weed store in Michigan, or hey

1423
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 2: we you fit the profile. I just it's another reason

1424
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: for law enforce from the sneak and peak. I totally

1425
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,520
Speaker 2: disagree with that. Okay, what about the THHD cap productions?

1426
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,679
Speaker 2: So we'd set a new cap at seventy percent for extras,

1427
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: thirty five percent for flour, what does that mean to

1428
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,880
Speaker 2: the average consumer and what's the rationale behind that? What's

1429
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 2: the research saying.

1430
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 10: I don't think the consumer is really going to notice anything.

1431
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 10: And the thirty five percent is basically that's what what

1432
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 10: you what they can grow now on on plants about

1433
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 10: thirty five percent PhD. That is not going to change

1434
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 10: the seventy per It's just you do you add more

1435
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 10: to get the level of PHC do you want in

1436
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 10: a product? It's like, yeah, you know, one hundred proof

1437
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 10: from one hundred and fifty proof from you take a

1438
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 10: little more one a little less the other. So you're

1439
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 10: gonna get to concentrate concentration that you want.

1440
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then people will just take more with n't.

1441
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: I mean it really serves no purpose. You just gotta

1442
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: buy more product. I guess if you want to, if

1443
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: you want to, you know, a higher buzz, you're gonna

1444
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: just use more of it.

1445
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 10: Yeah. I mean it's you, You're gonna people are gonna.

1446
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 3: Get what they want.

1447
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1448
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: I just I again, those two of that makes sense

1449
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: to me. Uh, you know, back to the well, the

1450
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 2: transportation is one thing, but the bill requires marijuana state

1451
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 2: in the original packaging and mandates trunk storage while driving. Again,

1452
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 2: I think that's another way for stops and searches. But

1453
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 2: I don't know. I go, Okay, well, original packaging, trunk

1454
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: storage at the case. The contention though, is it's somehow

1455
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,759
Speaker 2: marijuana is more dangerous than a gun.

1456
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 4: Uh.

1457
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: There are less restrictions with carrying a gun at all, Hio,

1458
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 2: there is marijuana. Does that make sense?

1459
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 5: Uh?

1460
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 10: Probably not on the whole. I think what we really

1461
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 10: we're looking at or it's not sitting there next to you,

1462
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 10: it's not readily available. Keep it in the package so

1463
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 10: that you know this stuff on a gummy, a marijuana

1464
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 10: gummy or a just a regular gummy. You can't tell

1465
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 10: the difference, and you don't want to put in in.

1466
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 10: Some kids said, oh, there's a there. Those are my gummies,

1467
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 10: not a dad's gummies, and mix things up. So if

1468
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 10: you keep them, uh, keep them in the in the

1469
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 10: original packages. And I know that you can't if you're

1470
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 10: homegrow you don't have an original package, but you know,

1471
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 10: keep that away from uh, you know, the.

1472
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 4: Kids and people.

1473
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 2: Okay, my original pe. So if I'm going over to

1474
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: Buddy's house and bring a couple of gummies with me,

1475
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 2: let's say, uh, I get pulled over in the officer

1476
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 2: set it, I could get a ticket for that. I mean,

1477
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm just trying to think it should be

1478
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 2: the same as alcohol. Now you can't have open container

1479
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 2: and like if you leave at a restaurant and you

1480
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: didn't finish your wine, they will put the cork back

1481
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 2: and then seal it in a plastic bag to show

1482
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: law enforce. And hey, it's not an open container so

1483
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,040
Speaker 2: to speak, and then that should also apply to marijuana

1484
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 2: as well. But the trunk storage to me seems rather extreme.

1485
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 10: I don't disagree with you. Maybe that's farther than we

1486
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 10: should have went, but you know, trying to trying to

1487
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,919
Speaker 10: make things, you know, close to alcohol.

1488
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a state senator, Steve Hoffman, and he's

1489
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: a physician, also author of Senate Bill fifty six, which

1490
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 2: has been chopped up a lot, and now it's going

1491
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 2: to the governor's desk to be signed. So if you're

1492
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: just joining some of the things that have changed, is

1493
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: and this is the good news here, There's there's a

1494
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 2: lot of good news in here too. It would make

1495
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: legal the THD beverages we've talked about till at least

1496
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty six, so that's a two

1497
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 2: year grace period. And in addition to that, we're talking

1498
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 2: about the transportation concerns. You can't bring weed back from

1499
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 2: another state. You can get stopped for that. Also, you

1500
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 2: have to have it in the trunk, it has to

1501
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: be in the original container. There's a lot of other

1502
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: elements of this thing. We're also capping the amount of

1503
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 2: THHC in the product as well, public storage ban, interstate transfer.

1504
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: But I mentioned that as well. I look at this

1505
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: whole thing and go, okay, well, if this is what

1506
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 2: we had to do to get it all done. And

1507
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: it seems like in context. While there's some things that

1508
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 2: I question the sanity of, others like the THC beverage

1509
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: and the restricting of hemp sales to license suspenser as

1510
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: opposed to carryouts where kids can get it, are generally

1511
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: good things here.

1512
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 10: No, I agree. And the other thing we haven't talked

1513
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 10: about is attacked so we can roll the ten percent

1514
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 10: tax on marijuana products and the thirty six percent of

1515
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,839
Speaker 10: locals and as soon and because that's an appropriation. There's

1516
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 10: some good and the bad things with this bill. One

1517
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 10: it gives the governor line item veto ability, and the

1518
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 10: other thing it does is that as soon as he

1519
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,759
Speaker 10: finds it, that money that's been sitting in the state's bank,

1520
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 10: about a one hundred million dollars will be distributed. Not instantly,

1521
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 10: but you know, give them a couple of weeks. It

1522
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 10: will be good Christmas for these jurisdictions that have been

1523
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 10: waiting for a year and a half to get that money.

1524
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like seven hundred million in sales this first

1525
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: year and you're going to get thirty six percent of

1526
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 2: that revenue. That's significant money right there. And what are

1527
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 2: the strings attached to that to local gums, how they

1528
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: can spend it.

1529
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 10: They can spend it however they want. It's a ten

1530
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 10: percent pack that they're going to get. Thirty six of

1531
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 10: that ten percent, the state's going to get the other percent.

1532
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 2: Gotcha, gotcha. So they can spend on whatever they want.

1533
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: And that's good because there's not municipalities that simply don't

1534
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 2: have the funding that's going to help make them hole.

1535
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 10: Well, they accepted the dispensaries on the premise that they

1536
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 10: were going to say, be some negative. I don't think

1537
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 10: there's negative, but they accepted it so that knowing that they.

1538
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 3: Would get money to do stuff with.

1539
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 10: So we're honoring that that commitment that they accepted.

1540
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1541
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ten percent tax rate on records for marijuanas

1542
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 2: is maintained. Home grow by the way, because that was

1543
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: a source of contention. Six plants per adult, twelve per residents,

1544
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: which is unchanged, and a cap a four hundred dispensary

1545
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 2: state wide. All of that does stay the same. And

1546
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 2: then of course that moment, as soon as the governor

1547
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: signs us in the law, the money for that will

1548
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 2: become available. And there are some concerns in here. For sure.

1549
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the sky's falling at all with the

1550
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 2: Steve Hoffman. You've got to make concessions. I suppose there

1551
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: are some troubling things for me as a civil libertarian

1552
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 2: that leaves me scratching my head. But all in all,

1553
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: at least we keep that THC beverage business going until

1554
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,839
Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty six, and hopefully the federal

1555
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 2: government will come to their senses and say we should

1556
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 2: exempt that because there's just so much revenue involved, not

1557
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: just in Ohio but every state jumping on the THC

1558
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: beverage bandwagon. As long as it's sold in a are

1559
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 2: regulated like alcohol, that's how this whole problem should be

1560
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 2: addressed in the first place.

1561
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 3: I agree.

1562
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 10: I think we I mean, I've said it. It's very

1563
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 10: unpopular in Columbus. I think we should deregulate the entire

1564
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 10: marijuana in the next five to ten years. We should

1565
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 10: still have those provisions to make it safe. But if

1566
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 10: Scott Sloan wants to grow five thousand square feet, he

1567
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 10: should be able to grow it if he can meet

1568
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 10: the license and all the requirements that everybody else does.

1569
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 10: We shouldn't just limit it to twelve or fifteen people,

1570
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 10: because that's not capitalism, that's not the free market.

1571
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 2: Steve Hoffman got to get going, Senator, always appreciate the time.

1572
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 4: You have a great day, you too, take care. Scott

1573
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 4: got a.

1574
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 2: Roll and get news in happening right now here with

1575
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 2: traffic and weather, and the weather's concerned because we've got

1576
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 2: some snow moving in full details just seconds away. And

1577
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 2: the when return on the Scott's Loan show, Sarah's here

1578
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 2: a little snort action. We'll talk about the Bengals next

1579
01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: seven hundred w Weld come in hot this morning, Sarah

1580
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: Lee with the Snort report this morning here everything sports,

1581
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: all the snorts, more sports, and.

1582
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 11: We just have to laugh to keep from crying.

1583
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: You are just unbearably happy this morning.

1584
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:32,480
Speaker 11: Again. I'm just laughing and smiling.

1585
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: What do you have to be happy about? How dare

1586
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: you come in this studio after I've been slaving away

1587
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: for two and a half hours with that? What is

1588
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 2: wrong with you?

1589
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,879
Speaker 12: God forbid? Somebody is joyous around here. All you cranky

1590
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 12: older gentlemen.

1591
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 2: Suck the life out of you.

1592
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 11: So we did find out that the middle.

1593
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: Aged women aren't much better.

1594
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 12: I'm not there yet give me a couple more years.

1595
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 2: Fifty What are you talking about?

1596
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 11: Fifteen something? Fifteen years?

1597
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 2: Anyways, you've been thirty five for seven years.

1598
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 12: I've been thirty five for like to one year negative

1599
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 12: two years. Anyways, that's beside the point. We found out

1600
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 12: that the Reds. The Reds have money. The Reds have

1601
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 12: more money than we thought.

1602
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 2: Just let's break it down here, Kyle Schwarber argument here.

1603
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,679
Speaker 12: And look, this is the last day I'm talking about

1604
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 12: Kyle Schwarberg for the.

1605
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 11: Next five years.

1606
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 12: All right, when he comes here as a Red in

1607
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 12: when he's thirty eight years old and he can't swing

1608
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 12: the bat anymore.

1609
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 2: Right, then we'll get them.

1610
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 11: The Reds are like, well, we'll give you a million bucks.

1611
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,480
Speaker 2: You can sit on the bench right right, hometown discount.

1612
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1613
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 12: It turns out that Kyle Schwarber does love Cincinnati, but

1614
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 12: not as much as he loves playing for the Phillies.

1615
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 11: I don't know if it's that it's twenty five million.

1616
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,759
Speaker 2: Five million is more than twenty He's.

1617
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 12: Like, you know what, twenty five million dollars is a

1618
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 12: lot better than living in Cincinnati.

1619
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 8: So there you go.

1620
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 2: And the Pirates offered a better Dean not only four years.

1621
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 12: But I think the Pirate Soffer was four years at

1622
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 12: one twenty and the Reds were five at one twenty five,

1623
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 12: and the Philly said, hold our beer five for one fifty.

1624
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll pay the luxury tax because you know it's

1625
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 2: big market. Now I got the money, we don't.

1626
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 12: Yeah, so he will be thirty three when he starts

1627
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 12: the season, thirty eight when the contract is up, so

1628
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 12: it ain't over.

1629
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,640
Speaker 11: We could still see this guy in a Reds You.

1630
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1631
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 12: But who knew that the red had this one hundred

1632
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 12: and twenty five million dollars that they were just ready

1633
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 12: to bother you to go?

1634
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 2: And then people will why do you make it one

1635
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: thirty five?

1636
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 11: Why not?

1637
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 2: Well, I guess when it's not your money, you can

1638
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: spend it, right.

1639
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 12: Yeah, like I will gladly spend the RDS money, I

1640
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,440
Speaker 12: will gladly spend somebody else's money. But according to Ken Rosenthal,

1641
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,799
Speaker 12: this is what he said. The Reds are not expected

1642
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 12: to pursue other expensive free agents this off season.

1643
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 11: Their pursuit of Kyle Schwarber was due to the belief

1644
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 11: that he would drive ticket sales.

1645
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 2: Well, winning generally does drive tickets.

1646
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 11: Winning does a lot of good does.

1647
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: Whether it's Kyle Schwarber or not. Now I will contend again.

1648
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen this movie play out before where

1649
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: you bring somewhere like Griffy and how did that work out? Now,

1650
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 2: granted he was older, is more beat up, but my

1651
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: point is it seems like when you get people who

1652
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 2: are even moderately good, decent hitters and they come here,

1653
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 2: they can't hit.

1654
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 11: And it doesn't matter where they're from.

1655
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 12: Look, I'm just looking at the fact that he hit

1656
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 12: fifty six bombs last season, and we need somebody that

1657
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 12: can hit. Who on this team right now can hit

1658
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 12: the ball like Kyas Sarberg needs somebody to hit.

1659
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 11: Noboddy, we really could have used him.

1660
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: You would have loved hitting at this park too. At

1661
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 2: one hundred home runs.

1662
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 12: Oh my god, this is the best ballpark to do

1663
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 12: it at. He would have hit seventy five, set a

1664
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 12: new record.

1665
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 2: Right, I guess. But at the same time, he would

1666
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: have could have. But it seems like we have correct him.

1667
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, Red's lady. But we've had a streak

1668
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 2: of guys coming here we're decent at the plate that

1669
01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 2: can't hit. Great American ballbar I don't know why that,

1670
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: and it's been going on for twenty years.

1671
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 11: Which is really odd. Right, this is the home.

1672
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he built this place short for Griffy in

1673
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 2: that short porch and he could eatn't what do you do?

1674
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 11: It's built for balls to fly.

1675
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's a joke there that I'm gonna let go,

1676
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 12: but Barry, because I want Dave to edit that out

1677
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,440
Speaker 12: and it'll be used with impunity.

1678
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 2: On the Stooge Report at thirty.

1679
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 12: Today, Barry Larkin said, I want to try to recruit

1680
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 12: his ass.

1681
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 11: Turns out Barry Larkin can't even get him here, Lark and.

1682
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: Can't get him, and I guess Lark wants to kick

1683
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 2: any extra five mel Yeah, Lark.

1684
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 12: You're gonna ball out. It turns out that nobody could

1685
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 12: have gotten here. Money truly talks, man. Anybody else would

1686
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,040
Speaker 12: have done it. For an extra twenty five million dollars,

1687
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 12: you would have left to the way it's set up. Man,

1688
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 12: He's like, I do love Cincinnati. That's cool and all

1689
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 12: take a twenty five million dollars haircut one hundred and

1690
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 12: six days until opening day. By the way, Okay, good

1691
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 12: are there. Rud's going to get somebody to hit.

1692
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 2: That need somebody to come up and hit the ball.

1693
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 11: We gotta figure that out, Yeah, we do. And also

1694
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 11: Tito the other day had said he was talking about

1695
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 11: Ellie da la Cruz.

1696
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 12: We know that he was dealing with an injury in

1697
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 12: the second half of that season, and he goes, yeah,

1698
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 12: I wish I would have sat.

1699
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 11: Ellie a little bit more. That was on me much

1700
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 11: Did we know about this.

1701
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: Right in the way it was playing, Well, you knew

1702
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: something was there.

1703
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 12: Of course, I've got an inside source that says, oh, yeah,

1704
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 12: we saw him walking around the clubhouse.

1705
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: I don't think Gaffer doubling around.

1706
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 11: It's a source. I don't think Gapper sees more than

1707
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 11: we did.

1708
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: With those fuzzy eyeballs the screen, you can see.

1709
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 11: A lot through those screens.

1710
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 12: Look as someone that was the Easter Bunny at Tri

1711
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 12: County Mall for three seasons in a row.

1712
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 11: It's amazing what you can see through those eyes.

1713
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 12: I was the Easter Bunny from the age sixteen to

1714
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 12: eighteen years old.

1715
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 11: At Trick County Mall.

1716
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 12: Yes, I had grown men sitting on my lap and

1717
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,680
Speaker 12: little kids drew things for me. So it's for a

1718
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 12: whole other day Wow, that's a whole other thing going

1719
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 12: on there.

1720
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 11: That is a whole other thing.

1721
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 2: What happens in the suit stays in the suit, thank you.

1722
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,440
Speaker 12: Except we will bring those stories of the airwaves someday.

1723
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:50,160
Speaker 8: Right.

1724
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 12: That's enough with the Reds explained. Nothing else is going

1725
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 12: on with the Reds.

1726
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 2: That's it. It's College Schwarber. We're done moving on.

1727
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 12: We're not talking about the guy from Middletown anymore. I

1728
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 12: can't keep doing this. I'm not talking about the Big

1729
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,759
Speaker 12: Red Machine and I'm not talking about Middletown.

1730
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: We'll be talking about the Big Red Machine soon enough,

1731
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 2: once we.

1732
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 12: Get into the season, as soon as the Bengals wrap

1733
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 12: up their season, because God knows that's happening.

1734
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 11: We got the yeah good, Just a vicious circle, that's

1735
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 11: all it is.

1736
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: It's Tony Perez babble night. Here we go, Here we go,

1737
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: Here we go. Get the whole big bobble line up.

1738
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: Every year hasn't been honored enough. Do something this century.

1739
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: Come on, y'all.

1740
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 12: The Bengals. They're back at the jungle this Sunday. They're

1741
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 12: back at practice today, which is the lesser of the

1742
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 12: two evils. Joe Burrow is twenty nine today. By the way,

1743
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 12: that was trending on social media. The Bengals wished to

1744
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 12: my happy birthday. Happy birthday to Joe. You will be

1745
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 12: celebrating that at practice today because they are back at

1746
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 12: it after a couple of days off. Zach Taylor held

1747
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 12: a press conference on Monday, and he actually had a

1748
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 12: lot of information and to share with us. I'm sure

1749
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 12: you've talked about it a ton on these airwaves. Finally

1750
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 12: got rid of Germaine Burton, who was contributing nothing to

1751
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 12: this team, making fifty six K a week or whatever

1752
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 12: crazy number it was when he made, Yeah, making an

1753
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 12: entire annual salary for.

1754
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: Just seventy thousand years the game. I think of sixty

1755
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: nine to seventy somewhere around there. Yeah, I'm just simply

1756
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: not sleeping through practice, not showing up, and just like.

1757
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 12: Going to the casino and not traveling with the team.

1758
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 12: And there's a bunch of allegations around him and unpaid

1759
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 12: bills and just weird things. But honestly, I agree with

1760
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 12: what Zach Taylor said. He goes, Look, I hope he's

1761
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 12: happy with his next adventure. Say, just get the help

1762
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 12: that you need. Though he needs some help.

1763
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 4: I liked it.

1764
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 2: He didn't throw shade at him and just like said, hey,

1765
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 2: we wish him all the best, good luck exactly, don't care.

1766
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 11: He was very uh about the entire thing.

1767
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 2: You have to be for the Brown family to pay

1768
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 2: you for not play?

1769
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 4: Oh my right?

1770
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 11: And what was to do with them holding on to him?

1771
01:24:57,160 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 11: I don't all wand I did.

1772
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: It's like the lost Savior, lost car. And we're going

1773
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: to hear more of the Jermaine Burton start coming out

1774
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 2: now that he's no longer with the team, right, We're

1775
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: gonna hear more stories about what he actually didn't did

1776
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 2: or didn't do U to.

1777
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 12: Want because we've seen the photos on social media trending

1778
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 12: where he's sitting at the casino, and we've seen the

1779
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,639
Speaker 12: paperwork that there were some allegations with an ex girlfriend

1780
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 12: of his. A lot to get through and it sounds

1781
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 12: like he needs to get his mental health and check,

1782
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 12: which is very, very important.

1783
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 11: And then but then that comes out now not even

1784
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 11: a part of the Bengals problem.

1785
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's your name, but that's how much did

1786
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: that come back in the Bengals because you took this

1787
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:38,839
Speaker 2: guy third round? He played what he had four catches

1788
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 2: last year.

1789
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:43,439
Speaker 11: In US was like, I don't even know why were

1790
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 11: your career?

1791
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 2: I just wondered, shouldn't we be getting back to and

1792
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 2: based on what's happened with the defense and all this

1793
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,839
Speaker 2: other stuff, is examining how they go about getting players.

1794
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the big It's not Jermaine Burton going

1795
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 2: off the rails.

1796
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 11: We're not good at draft.

1797
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how did you miss Son? Someone who's that

1798
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:01,919
Speaker 2: mentally unstable?

1799
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 11: It's sad, It's really it's a really sad situation. So

1800
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 11: Zach Taylor on my horse.

1801
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 2: If you're the Bengals, I would think, Yeah.

1802
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 12: Zach on Monday was like, I'm not going to give

1803
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 12: a reason. We're just parting ways. That's all there is

1804
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 12: to it. And the hits just really keep on coming.

1805
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 12: Uh uh, You're gonna need a lot of alcohol this

1806
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 12: weekend because I just checked the forecast for Sunday's games.

1807
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 12: Take off at one against the Ravens, a high of

1808
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 12: thirteen let's go thirteen degrees. That is some football weather.

1809
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 12: That ain't nothing for you.

1810
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: I feel like, well, the thing was, there's no win.

1811
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 2: It's unusual because of the lake there and that wind

1812
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: is just awful.

1813
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 11: I don't know how windy.

1814
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't windy at all. There you will see what

1815
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: the wind. I don't think the wind's going to die

1816
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 2: down after today, but it's going to be cold.

1817
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, so there's a hitting the ground. Keep Joe off

1818
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 12: the ground and those you know and Tea Haggins out.

1819
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 2: You have like a Bengals Uh, you have like a

1820
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: bedazzled Bengal snowsuit that you wear to thost.

1821
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 11: Absolutely not. I will be in the comfort of my home.

1822
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 2: Watching she is Sarah Lisa snow get it straight back

1823
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 2: to the show tomorrow, Kid Chris Show one of two

1824
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,560
Speaker 2: seven EB in the morning. The Snort Report on Wednesdays.

1825
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: Here not much to snort about with our teams again,

1826
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: you just got a left to care. I got you,

1827
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 2: I gotcha all right. It is a Scott's Flown show.

1828
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: Willie's on the way next afternoons. It's the home of

1829
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 2: the best Bengals coverage. Seven hundred Wally Sincenati