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Speaker 1: Okay, friends, welcome to the After Show podcast. It is Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Today is November sixth I'm justin welcome in. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to everybody who's been reaching out. Not yet McCabe.

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Speaker 2: Deserve an applause. Thank you for you.

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Speaker 3: I was going to give you a big intro, but

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Speaker 3: it's okay.

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Speaker 1: McCabe is here a highly requested guest.

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Speaker 2: Is that true people want me?

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Speaker 3: I'm not making that up. I know.

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Speaker 2: I know Lynn, our listener, Lynn is messaging me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but several other people because I've been doing this

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Speaker 1: kind kind of new thing where you know, sometimes I

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Speaker 1: talk myself.

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Speaker 2: I know I listened almost every day.

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Speaker 3: Really, Yes, you're my fucking hero.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but thank you everybody who's been leaving talkbacks. Give

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Speaker 1: me some feedback. I'm really having fun with this. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's been a transition and everything, but I'm having fun.

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Speaker 1: I love doing it and I love hearing from all

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Speaker 1: of you.

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Speaker 3: McCabe. We did have Santy on earlier this week.

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Speaker 2: Oh I did not hear that.

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Speaker 1: You got to listen to that one. That one's really

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Speaker 1: good because you know he's a little weird.

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Speaker 3: Go back, we go way back. Very hired me.

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Speaker 2: Is that true. Have to listen.

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Speaker 3: He hired it. I tell the whole story.

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Speaker 4: Justin I just wanted to call and say that you've

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Speaker 4: been doing an amazing job with the After Show. All

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Speaker 4: of your special guests have been amazing. I don't know

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Speaker 4: how you did it, but you actually made Santi seem normal.

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Speaker 4: He's a little strange on the jam and show, but

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Speaker 4: it was good to see that side of him. Keep

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Speaker 4: up the good work. You are awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, you are too. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: I like that Santi's brand is odd.

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Speaker 1: He is an odd fellow, but in real life. He mean,

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Speaker 1: he's the same off and on air, but he's actually

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Speaker 1: a really, really smart I was gonna.

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Speaker 2: Say he's like the most remarkably normal person who works here. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's a compliment, yeah, because there's not a lot

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Speaker 2: of normal people who work in this building.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it goes back to his character from

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Speaker 1: years ago, the crazy Kulo. He was the stunt guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he to do the crazy stuff. So yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: yesterday we had producer Riley was on.

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Speaker 2: Oh she's back. I heard her first one. She did great.

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Speaker 1: She came back again because a talkbacker wanted some behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes and what it takes to produce a morning show.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot.

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Speaker 3: So I had her love the.

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Speaker 5: Pause with Riley. Also, I'm laughing at you calling yourself

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Speaker 5: a grandpa, and she says, you just kidded.

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Speaker 6: Life lessons when.

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Speaker 5: She's with you, and it's just funny how you went

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Speaker 5: from living on the streets a drug addict to handing

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Speaker 5: out life lessons. Look at you.

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Speaker 1: Justin That is fascinating how that happens. Yeah, when Riley, Well, Riley,

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Speaker 1: we drive together two events.

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Speaker 2: Know you're going to say to work, No, I know

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Speaker 2: you live close. How let you do that?

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Speaker 3: I come in earlier. Oh that's right, I get it

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Speaker 2: That would be weird too. Write every day for forty

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Speaker 2: five minutes. Yeah, you see her for a whole work day,

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Speaker 2: that would be a little weird. I could do it, though.

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Speaker 2: I had an uber driver the other day who we

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Speaker 2: don't know how. But we got talking about commutes and

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Speaker 2: stuff and he was like, yeah, I used to work

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Speaker 2: and it's not that bad now. And he lived in Boston.

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Speaker 2: I live in Boston and I was like, he kept talking,

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I worked at one Cabot Road.

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Speaker 2: I was like, where did you work? And he worked

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Speaker 2: that's marriage.

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Speaker 1: Well, the drive to work time is my quiet time.

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Speaker 1: It's my meditation. I do have WBZ on just for

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Speaker 1: the news. Yeah, I listened on the way in. But

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Speaker 1: I like the quiet time. But when I'm with Riley

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Speaker 1: she asked questions about life, about the career, her career,

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Speaker 2: But Taylor Swift song on the album.

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Speaker 3: I almost made that connection yesterday during the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the song's about, so I don't

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Speaker 2: know if we want to make that because she was

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Speaker 3: Yes, she was. Well, it was a play on George

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Speaker 3: Michael's side, which I do like that song.

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Speaker 2: I'd like it the original, yeah, obviously an original song. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but everyone, every gay person was excited because they were like, oh,

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Speaker 2: she's gonna actually like remake that song or something. It

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Speaker 2: was a bit of a letter nothing.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I know what you mean. I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 1: But thank you for coming in, McCabe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: So many things I want to ask you about. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we'll start it. The first one. Can we talk about

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Speaker 3: where you were born? Yeah, we could talk about that.

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Speaker 3: You're adopted.

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Speaker 2: You know what would be really funny. It's like if

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Speaker 2: we did a contest to guess where I was born,

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Speaker 2: because nobody would get it. So now, if you're listening

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Speaker 2: to this right now, yes, I want you to write

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Speaker 2: down your guests or like, DM it to us. No,

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Speaker 2: talk back, talk back it. That's right on it. Talk

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Speaker 2: back mafia it to us right now, and then when

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Speaker 2: we reveal it in two minutes. Okay, see if you

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Speaker 2: got it right? Okay, No, they can't do that. It's

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Speaker 2: pre recorded. Yeah, I know, but it's just listening throughout

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Speaker 3: Oh, they can play along. Yeah, okay, so we're not

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you were born in another country, that's right,

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Speaker 1: And can we say how old you are?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm twenty nine, twenty.

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Speaker 1: Nine okay, so twenty nine years. Hold on, I'm good

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're born in this other country, different country, yes,

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Speaker 3: and you were in an orphanage.

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Speaker 2: I was literally an orphanage, no idea. Wait. The story

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Speaker 2: is that my parents were very young, like high school

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Speaker 2: It's not a big city in this country that's not America,

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Speaker 2: but sizable, and the parents made the girl get rid

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Speaker 2: made her prominent family though. Yeah, so I could be

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Speaker 2: an air. I could be an air to something. You

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Speaker 2: like it was really Is that what your parents told you?

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Speaker 2: I have a video. It's crazy, no way, yeah, like

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Speaker 2: my mom literally went from Connecticut where we were, where

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Speaker 1: Very Fause so your parents are married and they want

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Speaker 2: I think it was cheapest at the time. If you can,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people my age who came from

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Speaker 2: say that in the Obama era, a sanction on this

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Speaker 3: Oh he shut it down. Yeah, so I'm a I'm

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Speaker 3: even to this day, to this day, the sanctions are

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Speaker 2: They they did like video service. They would send videos

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Speaker 2: She was picking between two. Oh, isn't that crazy? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I could have had a brother in air quotes,

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Speaker 2: But what do you mean she could have adopted to

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Speaker 2: take two? Oh, she wanted to adopt to but you

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Speaker 2: know that costs money to adopt a kid in a

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Speaker 2: lot of money, even the cheap adoptions, right, So it

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Speaker 3: So she picked you.

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Speaker 2: I'm just why wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: I'm picturing a baby McCabe, a little a little baby.

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Speaker 2: Mcad thing, little ball of me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she they adopt you. They bring you to Connecticut,

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Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, And where'd you grow up?

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Speaker 2: Not in Connecticut, No, New York, Yeah, an upstate New

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the name of the town.

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Speaker 2: If you know where Binghamton is, it's to the left

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Speaker 2: of the a little bit like thirty miles to the left.

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Speaker 2: And by left I mean west Okay country, New York,

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Speaker 2: crazy like okay, West Virginia feeling.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it where Maddie in the Morning grew up to

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Speaker 1: kind of I went to college, I should say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he went to college.

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Speaker 2: I think in Oneana, Yeah, which is true, middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little closer to Pa but yeah.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so growing up with your parents, now, your parents

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Speaker 1: adopted you at an older age.

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Speaker 2: Were like my dad was like fifty something because he's

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Speaker 2: in his eighties now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So at what age do they tell you that

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Speaker 2: From the start? That's the thing I know. I couldn't

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Speaker 2: imagine it any other way. Like I've known from day one,

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Speaker 2: and I've always been fine with it because I'm lucky

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Speaker 2: in that my parents. I don't really see the other

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Speaker 2: are biologically my parents. The people in that other country.

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Speaker 6: You're the air exactly, you're their the heir to the

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Speaker 3: Are they on a farm. No, no farm.

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Speaker 2: They're in the middle of nowhere, but no farm.

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Speaker 1: So you get into radio as a young kid. You

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Speaker 2: Right, Eventually I got both of the pop stations in

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, so they hired you to do what.

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Speaker 2: My first job was running the NASCAR races on the

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Speaker 3: He would.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd sit there in the Classic Rock.

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Speaker 2: It's insane. Yeah, well paid NASCAR, like all loved NASCAR fans,

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Speaker 3: That, Oh my god. But out there it was huge because.

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Speaker 2: We had Watkins Glen like it's a massive like it's

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Speaker 2: It's the only road track I think so racing fans

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Speaker 3: How much were you being paid? Do you remember? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a thought when you were talking about

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Speaker 6: Porn and I mean I was doing that too, to

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Speaker 1: And then infect your your parents' computer was exactly. It

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Speaker 2: I went to Elmira College. It was I took I

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Speaker 3: It happens.

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Speaker 2: And then they called me during the school play. I

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Speaker 2: There's a college called Rider that I was going to,

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Speaker 2: I went to Princeton in Princeton, Yeah, but I canceled

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Speaker 3: Do you have any of this audio of you calling

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Speaker 2: I have a whole entire audio file, serious, every single

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Speaker 3: Will you bring that back when you come on the

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Speaker 2: I've never played it for anyone, really, Yeah, it's really

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Speaker 2: it's also like fifteen minutes long. I've been doing this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean just a little bit of a sample.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it'd be really funny to reveal that at

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Speaker 3: Okay, and when are you going to reveal the country

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Speaker 2: You want to do it now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Because I have like a joke, you know, I know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about it last night. I have a joke.

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Speaker 2: I was born in Russia.

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Speaker 1: Born in Russia, and if you weren't adopted by your

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Speaker 2: That's not a joke. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things that I

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Speaker 1: So this pilot, he's excited to do this, excited. You

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Speaker 3: Happyful and thankful.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, I'm throwing myself at you think us.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And so then he got there and obviously it's

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Speaker 2: I think I would be a pilot. I think it'd

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Speaker 2: be great, that'd be sick. You have literally take over

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Speaker 3: Oh, Romeo used to work on Kiss Now Jeff Blue

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure because I I'm doing it and I'm

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Speaker 3: what would you be doing?

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Speaker 2: Even know, I imagine, like I think everything is in

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Speaker 3: You're very smart. We call you the doogie howser of radio.

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Speaker 2: I guess I am. But so I imagine maybe i'd

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Speaker 3: You okay, okay, with Glad. You were Glad.

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Speaker 2: I joke that I kind of look like him, like

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Speaker 1: Hey, I could, Well, he has a shaved head, so

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Speaker 1: it's hard to picture, but I could see that.

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Speaker 3: Back okay, back to the radio. Just to fast forward here.

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Speaker 1: You get through college, you start working in radio, you

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Speaker 1: program director.

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Speaker 3: You, I know, you have several stops all you really

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Speaker 2: All Like I was in Elmira back then, I was

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Speaker 1: So from my point of view, when I met McCabe,

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Speaker 1: Hampshire Portsmouth.

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Speaker 2: See when I was seven, it's it's still on. I

445
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,560
Speaker 2: actually still work with the station.

446
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 3: You do.

447
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you work like a national level.

448
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,760
Speaker 3: How many stations do you work with nationally?

449
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh? Work with like all of the pop stations. Yeah,

450
00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 2: in some way fifty. Oh, there's like eighty five pop

451
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 2: stations or more. There might be a one hundred or so.

452
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,159
Speaker 2: I don't know.

453
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 1: So mcay's a big deal, not just hair a Kiss,

454
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,159
Speaker 1: but also nationally. He's doing all this other things. But

455
00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 1: when I first met you, Dylan, our boss is your boss?

456
00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,119
Speaker 3: You work with Dylan.

457
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,880
Speaker 1: He said to me, there's this kid coming in that

458
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: is going to replace me one day. He said something

459
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 1: like that, And I go, can we tell him that?

460
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 2: Now? Yeah?

461
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 3: I know what?

462
00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 5: When?

463
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,680
Speaker 2: When's what? What? One day?

464
00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so he didn't say kid.

465
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Speaker 1: I think because I thought you were a man, not

466
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: that you are not a man, but I thought you

467
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 1: were ill you.

468
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 2: Were started there at like maybe I think twenty one.

469
00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe. Yeah.

470
00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: So here's this guy coming in that's gonna replace Dylan,

471
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 1: supposed to be this brilliant radio mind.

472
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,639
Speaker 3: And there's this little dwee maybe you walk in And

473
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 3: I remember I said to I don't know who it was.

474
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 3: I go, what is is this a joke? Like? Who

475
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 3: is this is a.

476
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,640
Speaker 2: Very different person? Back then too, like I was still

477
00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 2: finding myself.

478
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, every way, yeah, like.

479
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 2: Every single way. Yeah, my favorite. I remember it every day.

480
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 2: I think Whennie said it on this podcast. The first

481
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 2: time I met her was at a jingle Ball, like

482
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 2: maybe twenty seventeen or eighteen, and she she was always

483
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 2: saying to me. I turned to Justin, I was like,

484
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,639
Speaker 2: who the fuck is this little nerd?

485
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was like, I think she'd gave the.

486
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 2: Pictures from that from that jingle Ball and I'm like,

487
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: who the fuck was that little nerse?

488
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, so funny. So then you

489
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: were then you got promoted to Baltimore. Yeah, right, you

490
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,439
Speaker 1: were program directed and I went down and ran our

491
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: pop station there and then they fired you.

492
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Speaker 2: Then they fired on election Day twenty twenty, twenty twenty. Yeah.

493
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Speaker 2: I was at a cabin in the woods. Every year

494
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: I try to do like a disconnect trip, and I

495
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: would always do it November when I was down there,

496
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 2: because it was nice, like you'd go out in the

497
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Speaker 2: woods and hike and disconnect for a while by yourself,

498
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: by myself. Psychopath, I know, but you should try it,

499
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: not so much.

500
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Speaker 3: Do you bring your phone? Yes? You bring your phone, yes,

501
00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: just in case a bear attacks exactly.

502
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but uh yeah, I got I got laid off

503
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: during COVID most people did. But yeah, that happened, and

504
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: I went away and I like, wut off my phone?

505
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 3: What did you do? Like how long before they hired

506
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Speaker 3: you back?

507
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: It was like a day.

508
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, was that quick?

509
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they called me like I think it was later,

510
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 2: maybe later in the day that they laid me off

511
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: that they were like, hey, we actually have something we

512
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: want to offer you again. And initially I was actually like,

513
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. And that's when I

514
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: basically was like, I don't want to do that job.

515
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to go disconnect in the woods. It's election day.

516
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: I'm it's highly stressed already. Yeah, And so I disconnected,

517
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: I like almost disconnected my phone, and everybody was blowing

518
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 2: me up, like saying to come back. So eventually we

519
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 2: worked something out and I came back at that this

520
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: this national job I have, which was really different back then,

521
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,240
Speaker 2: and part of it was I could live anywhere, and

522
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: obviously I'm getting the fuck out of Baltimore. Everything you

523
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 2: hear about that city is true.

524
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Speaker 3: By the way, do you ever watch The Wire?

525
00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: No?

526
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 3: One of my favorite show.

527
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,479
Speaker 2: That's not for me.

528
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 3: He never went down to the projects from the show

529
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 3: I have, Yes, the board of up houses.

530
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: It's real, it's scary, it's really odd, but it's odd

531
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Speaker 2: because there's parts of that city that are actually really nice.

532
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: The neighborhood I lived in is actually still one of

533
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 2: my favorite neighborhoods I've lived in. I think it's Federal

534
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: Hill if anyone wants to google it. But yeah, everything

535
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: in that show is real.

536
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 1: So so like even the layft that just happened here,

537
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: you know it happens every year, right, not just here everywhere.

538
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: But when that happens, you know what that even though

539
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: you're back, you know what that feeling is like.

540
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, you never see it coming.

541
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, it's crazy. So the

542
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: high you back on National and then what what year

543
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: did you come back to here to kiss twenty twenty two?

544
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: It was three years last month, and so they sent

545
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Speaker 1: you back here. Correct me if I'm wrong to assist Dylan.

546
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: Dylan is the program director, but he also does a

547
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Speaker 1: lot of national things too.

548
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Speaker 3: He's a really big deal in our company.

549
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he oversees the entire pot format. That's crazy, like

550
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 2: everything that happens on any of the stations goes through him.

551
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: A statement was made to me once a while. I'll

552
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: never forget it, and I want you to confirm or

553
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: deny if this is true. They said to me that Dylan,

554
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: in his position, he makes decisions on music and what

555
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: music goes on and when music comes off, that he

556
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: could potentially make a decision on a song that could

557
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: potentially move it up and up or down.

558
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: The music charts.

559
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely, that's true. It's like just it's an

560
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 2: influenced thing. Yeah, for sure. I mean that's kind of

561
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: that's like Dylan for sure, But it's also a Kiss

562
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: one oh eight thing. Like this is one of the

563
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 2: biggest radio stations out there. The amount of people who

564
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 2: look at what we do and then and not copy it,

565
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: but like they know, we put a lot of research

566
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: and a lot of thought, and every little decision on

567
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: this radio station has been thought out. Every tiny little

568
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: thing you hear has been thought out. So people will

569
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Speaker 2: look at Kiss one oh eight and see what we do,

570
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: and they look at like Z one hundred and New

571
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: York and Kiss in LA and Kiss in Chicago, and

572
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: they'll do things on their own station based on that.

573
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: We set the standard exactly essentially, is what you're saying.

574
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: Dylan does oversee every pop station. So yeah, in theory,

575
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: he could be like, you have to do this, but

576
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: he's not doing that. Nobody's doing that, you know.

577
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you so you do your national stuff, but

578
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: then you also assist him here. So basically I say,

579
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: m cave's my boss. He goes, no, I'm not. Essentially

580
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: you are in a way because I go to you

581
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: for all my kiss stuff.

582
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is.

583
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: It's like less of a boss. It's more of a

584
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: like just we get the shit done, yeah kind of

585
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: aspect of it. Yeah, and I'm just like the doer. Yeah,

586
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: that's really it.

587
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: So before we run out of time, because Billy's going

588
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 1: to be knocking on my door on a second. What

589
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: I love about you is a couple of things. I

590
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: love your personality. You're very cheerful. Plus you're very Yeah,

591
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: you're just a nice dude. You're a good person. I'm

592
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: drawn to good people, right, you too. Yes, I spent

593
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of years with bad people. I cherish the

594
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: good ones. You're one of the good ones. That's one.

595
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: Number two.

596
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Speaker 1: I love that you go to so many shows, and

597
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: not just that We've talked about this on the show,

598
00:24:58,640 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: but you live your dream.

599
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, like I live my dream and you live

600
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 3: your dream. You love music, you love radio, you love entertainment,

601
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: you love all that stuff and you get to do

602
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: it every single day and you own it. Oh yeah,

603
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: how many shows last year?

604
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh? Hundreds? I actually I have a spreadsheet because I'm

605
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: a genuine psychopath. I love data, and I just updated

606
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: it on my way home the other day. I think

607
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm getting up to six hundred total artists, shows, performances

608
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: seen in your life, in my life of twenty nine years,

609
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: do you count doubles? Yeah, okay, that's like total if

610
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: somebody had sang in front of me, an artist saying

611
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: for me, I'm writing it down.

612
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's so funny you go to the biggest shows,

613
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 3: but then you also go to these shows that I'm like,

614
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: where the fuck is mccae.

615
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Like, Boston's really underrated music city right now.

616
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: I think it, like, based on my knowledge of it,

617
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: is it used to be a massive music town, like

618
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: a rock city. So many big rock stations and a

619
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: huge pop sty city with Kiss one O eight like

620
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: setting the standard for a lot of these big hits

621
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: back in the day. But there are so many colleges

622
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: here that, especially on the indie, alternative and pop scenes,

623
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of like in touch, young kids

624
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: listening to what's next in music. And I live in

625
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: the South End with like very close to Berkeley, and

626
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: obviously everyone there is a young music head. They have

627
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: they have their own venue that I'll walk into sometimes

628
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 2: at Berkeley. Yeah, and my favorite part is Berkeley has

629
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Speaker 2: these little pop up shows in their cafeteria in one

630
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: of the dorms, And sometimes I'll be like walking back

631
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: from Fenway and I'll see a crowd and I'll ask, like,

632
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: what's happening here, and they'll be like, oh, it's just

633
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: a calf show is what they call them, a show

634
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: in the cafeteria, and I'll literally like sneak in and

635
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: see and they're unreal, it's.

636
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Speaker 1: Crazy, or girl like it'll be seconds bands, it's crazy.

637
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: Us love all of it. And you know why I

638
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: do all this ship, especially the big shows and the

639
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: medium shows that we do thankfully get access to, is

640
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: because you never know what it's going to go away.

641
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: Like I say yes to everything because I never know tomorrow.

642
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: Who knows what's going to happen.

643
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: That's true. Live it up. You are the definition of

644
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: living it up.

645
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

646
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also you also the other thing is that

647
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: your parents are in New York and you're here. You

648
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 3: don't have any other family here. You know, kids, thankfully, thankfully.

649
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how you do that everyone with the

650
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: kids and all that.

651
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: It's a lot. It's a lot.

652
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: When you're wondering why you don't see me out of

653
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: events that much. It's the kids.

654
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: When we get you out to a show, we have

655
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: to shine Down. That's the only show we ever been.

656
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: To that was great. I know what's another show that

657
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: we can go to.

658
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: I'll go to whatever you want.

659
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: Really, I'm trying to go well, trying to go to

660
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: the Ray Kwan mob deep show.

661
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to do.

662
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: Like Baltimore all over again.

663
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: Okay, before we go, I want to end with a

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Speaker 1: hot take from you, if you will indulge in me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the hot take from a cave is that because I

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Speaker 1: want you to explain this very quickly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you the Taylor Swift album, the

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Speaker 1: new one. Oh, I don't think it's a hot take. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not a fan.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's fine.

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Speaker 3: You think it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't it didn't.

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Speaker 3: Care about it, Okay, you don't hate it. But it

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Speaker 3: came in below your expectations.

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Speaker 2: Is that remarkably below?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I want you to producer.

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Speaker 2: Riley and I talk about all the time. She's a

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Speaker 2: number one Swifty. She mildly agrees, but she hype. She

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00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: being Taylor hyped this album up so much. I like Taylor.

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00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: I listened to the albums. I enjoy her. I'm never

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Speaker 2: like buying all the way into all the shit she does,

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Speaker 2: but I did for this album because I have a

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Speaker 2: lot of people in my life who are passionate about her.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna be there and listen and get involved.

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Speaker 2: I listened to that podcast she did with Travis and

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Speaker 2: the other guy, Jason Kelsey, and it made me so

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Speaker 2: hype for the album. I was so pumped. She was like,

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Speaker 2: this is gonna be reputation bangers. In nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 2: shell Back in Max mart Max Mart like, you can't

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Speaker 2: make a bad album with those people, And then she

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Speaker 2: made an album that was not bangers. Right, there's one

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Speaker 2: maybe banger on it. We played on Kiss I Fit

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Speaker 2: is good opal Lite, you know, like op Open Light

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Speaker 2: is Me Part two. It's so corny. Then she is

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Speaker 2: the queen of corn in every era she's had in

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Speaker 2: a good way. This one is like it was like

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Speaker 2: somebody gave her the Internet for the first time, like

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Speaker 2: girl Boss too Close to the Sun, who says that, like,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I mean that does come off as corny. But see

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Speaker 1: this is a hot take because I listened to the

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Speaker 1: album and I'm like, well, it's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: It may it is a hot take, I guess in

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Speaker 2: our kiss when to Wait community. But there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of people who don't like it really or who find

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Speaker 2: it mid even my my friend. I got dinner with

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Speaker 2: a friend last night who's a number one swifty and

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Speaker 2: he ranked it in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's not that it's not that it's a bad album,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's not what she hyped it out exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I think I got annoyed about it, Okay,

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Speaker 2: because I was expecting nineteen eighty nine in reputation.

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Speaker 1: See it from my point of view, like Folklore, I'm

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Speaker 1: not listen. I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan, but

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Speaker 1: I listen to all music, right, yeah, and Taylor's was

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Speaker 1: obviously a flagship artist here a Kiss, so I space

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Speaker 1: special attention to her.

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Speaker 3: But Folklore when that came out, I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I didn't get it the first I didn't

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Speaker 2: do it for years probably, yeah, until people were like,

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Speaker 2: you have to actually just like let your like expectations

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Speaker 2: down on her. That's the thing I always get. I

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Speaker 2: always forgets. I have expectations of artists, like I didn't

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Speaker 2: like the last Beyonce era because my expectation of her

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Speaker 2: is crazy in love with the country album. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: never get that again.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, no.

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Speaker 1: Now and listen, I say this all the time about music,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you can agree with this. There's not

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Speaker 1: so much timeless music as there once was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's really interesting new music.

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Speaker 3: Friday comes a bunch of new songs. Some stick around,

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Speaker 3: most don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know right now, it's a it's a what's

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Speaker 2: the word, It's like mass, it's masses, like you put

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Speaker 2: out a ship ton of music every week and hope

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Speaker 2: one sticks.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: It's not you do one thing, yeah, and you put

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Speaker 2: that one thing out. You know, it's all about numbers.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's a different game, different game.

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Speaker 2: It's hard. I would not want to be any person

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Speaker 2: actively working.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you have like your sombers, like Sombers

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Speaker 1: on the Rise. He's got a good couple of good songs.

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Speaker 2: You know, knows how many sombers are not with a

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Speaker 2: major label, who never get heard by a major label,

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Speaker 2: And are you know, stuck in the streaming ethos which

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Speaker 2: does There's a million songs like every week that come

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Speaker 2: out on the on the streaming platforms. There's so many,

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Speaker 2: and it's getting higher and higher. With AI, I could

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Speaker 2: do a whole week's worth of episod.

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Speaker 3: Well you know what, you come back? Can you?

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Speaker 1: Will you come back with your old recordings for the

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Speaker 1: A have to show army. Yeah, it'll be fun to look,

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Speaker 1: all right, pull them up. Well, we'll get those on

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Speaker 1: for you. But thank you, McCabe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we learned a lot. Get paid for this, you

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Speaker 2: know you.

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Speaker 3: Do not get paid for this.

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Speaker 1: But if you want to leave a talk back and

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Speaker 1: give her a response to this podcast or any questions

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Speaker 1: you have from a cabe. You can do that on

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Speaker 1: the iHeart app only. You can stream this podcast on

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Speaker 1: several different streaming platforms, but the iHeartRadio app is the

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Speaker 1: only one you can leave a talk back on, probably

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Speaker 1: the easiest one to listen to, the easiest one. Leave

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Speaker 1: a talk back, let us know. And tomorrow I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have another surprise. Yes, I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna.

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Speaker 3: Say hell yet.

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Speaker 2: Is that person? That person's on the show tomorrow too,

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Speaker 2: right for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be on the show tomorrow because this some

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Speaker 1: thing's happening. Nothing bad, but you know, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some whatever.

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Speaker 2: Lisa is going on vacation.

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Speaker 3: This is going on vacation.

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Speaker 2: We can say that, we can say that. I said, okay,

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Speaker 2: so you don't create so you're not creating mass pandemonium?

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Speaker 3: Or should I just say it then? No?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah tomorrow special guests, make sure you

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Speaker 1: tune in. Bye McCabe, Bye,