Speaker 1: I don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go Monday morning. The fun is
Speaker 2: behind you now, the outdoor fun is behind you, the
Speaker 2: brief dabbling of summer. And it felt like Florida yesterday
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, record high princh temperatures. And then you
Speaker 2: head out this morning and back to wearing a jack.
Speaker 2: That's how we roll in the Queen City. Baby Scott's
Speaker 2: loan back with you on seven hundred WLW, jumping right
Speaker 2: in with this. On Friday, President Trump said he was
Speaker 2: considering winding down the US military operations in Iran, and then,
Speaker 2: in true Trump fashion, by Saturday night, he was threatening
Speaker 2: to strike their electrical grid and their infrastructure to get
Speaker 2: the straighter her moose back open. Meanwhile, Democrats partially shutting
Speaker 2: down government over DHS reform. And now we have unpaid
Speaker 2: TS agents using sick day, so that means shortest, it
Speaker 2: means long lines at the airports. That means ice agents
Speaker 2: are being used now to help support those on the job.
Speaker 2: And it is problematic for sure. We got lots going on.
Speaker 2: And let me bring in on this. Congressman Greg Lansman
Speaker 2: from here in Cincinnat, Eddie, how are you by the way.
Speaker 2: Greg has been waiting. He is at Dulles right now.
Speaker 2: He's been waiting in line since Thursday afternoon. How's it.
Speaker 2: How's the way going, how's the way going.
Speaker 3: I'm home. I'm home. I'm home. No, it's bad.
Speaker 4: They you know, they need to pay TSA immediately.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's the votes are there for it.
Speaker 4: It's lunny like sometimes the solution is so simple. And
Speaker 4: the majority leader Senator Soon republic and when said Trump
Speaker 4: yesterday and just said, look, we can pass a funding
Speaker 4: build of fund TSA, and Trump said no, yeah, well.
Speaker 2: Last go around a well last go around it was okay,
Speaker 2: so voters playing Republicans for the shutdown TSA and okay,
Speaker 2: well get back to the most six months ago. And
Speaker 2: now it's the other way. The Democrats are like, well,
Speaker 2: they're the ones that are because they want uh they
Speaker 2: you know, they want these these other things in there
Speaker 2: with the the voting at the Save USA Act. And
Speaker 2: I think there's most people looking at like, okay, it's
Speaker 2: we We keep hearing this movie over and over. Democrats
Speaker 2: fault Republicans, fault Republicans, fault Democrats, fault Yeah. The fact
Speaker 2: of the matter is you got these people who are
Speaker 2: working expected to work and they're burning through their six
Speaker 2: days when they need them, and uh, it just it's
Speaker 2: it's so mindless. Why are we doing this.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a leadership piece or issue. Right,
Speaker 4: So the majority of us in Congress, on both sides,
Speaker 4: we would pass a funding bill right now that would
Speaker 4: fund TSA, FEMA, you know, Secret Service, Coast Guard, everything
Speaker 4: but Ice. As the Ice negotiations continue and it gets
Speaker 4: stopped at the top, it gets stopped with the Speaker
Speaker 4: and Fune and fun Tribe yesterday to just go to
Speaker 4: Trump and say, look, we have the votes to fund
Speaker 4: TSA and and and you know, let's just go ahead
Speaker 4: and get it done. And for whatever reason Trump said no.
Speaker 4: My feeling is they should just go ahead and put
Speaker 4: it on the floor. Let us pass a funding bill
Speaker 4: to fund TSA. I've seen the Secret Service, and if
Speaker 4: he wants to Trump wants to be to A, he can,
Speaker 4: but I don't think he will.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's sticky, it is. You know, we've got
Speaker 2: all sorts of problems in this country. And you see
Speaker 2: these long lines now Brandon and not everywhere. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, two hour await just to
Speaker 2: get into the terminal in New Orleans is absolute sandy,
Speaker 2: especially this time of the year, and it's only going
Speaker 2: to get worse. I get the same America Act. I
Speaker 2: get the premise of it. I kind of question why
Speaker 2: we need it if the you know, the number of
Speaker 2: people who are actually falsifying and going to vote are
Speaker 2: very very very small in the odds of someone casting
Speaker 2: a vote in this country. Believe, it's like, it's not
Speaker 2: that big, it's not a big deal. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, it's like, Okay, I got to show an
Speaker 2: ID for everything else, why is this a.
Speaker 4: Bad but Sonny I called Halton County just to see, like,
Speaker 4: how many you know, non.
Speaker 3: Citizens you know noted? They said zero.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we don't have said what they're going to do.
Speaker 4: They're going to prevent you know, tens of millions of
Speaker 4: Americans from voting because you'd have to go in. Now,
Speaker 4: if this law were to pass, it's really just to
Speaker 4: save Trump, you know, Bill, it doesn't It actually would
Speaker 4: probably be the biggest blowdour democracy of voting rights.
Speaker 3: You know, in my lifetime.
Speaker 4: But it would it would require you to go in
Speaker 4: with a bunch of paperwork to prove your citizen to
Speaker 4: register to vote, as opposed to just having you know,
Speaker 4: the Rose could right now just check every registrant against
Speaker 4: you know, the BMV data, right and if there was
Speaker 4: an issue, he could then send it to that person
Speaker 4: and say, hey, you're not in the BMV. You know,
Speaker 4: I need some paperwork. You could do that right now
Speaker 4: and make sure that zero zero percent of or one
Speaker 4: hundred percent of all registered voters are American citizens, as
Speaker 4: opposed to, you know, preventing folks from registering to vote
Speaker 4: because they've got to go get a social they got
Speaker 4: to go get a passport, or they got to go
Speaker 4: get a birth certificate or whatever that and on the
Speaker 4: voter ID. We have the most stringent a voter ID
Speaker 4: law arguably in the country. And our idea would you work.
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone would have to go get new IDs.
Speaker 3: It's absurd.
Speaker 2: Oh I did that with a with a real idea act.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know. The other cry is as much
Speaker 2: Republicans talk about these illegals voting, which isn't happening by
Speaker 2: any measurable maybe a handful in the last twenty years.
Speaker 2: The other side is Democrats love talking about voter suppression,
Speaker 2: and yeah, we live in an age man where it's
Speaker 2: easier to vote than ever before. I mean, you should
Speaker 2: have some form of identification just to live your life
Speaker 2: as an American, and in other countries it's certainly a
Speaker 2: lot more onerous the ask for you to prove your
Speaker 2: papers and stuff like that. Just knowing who you are
Speaker 2: and be able to sort your identity out, you know,
Speaker 2: it takes. We have thirty days of open voting, we
Speaker 2: have thirty days where you can do mal in batting.
Speaker 2: It's never been easier to vote. So I don't I really,
Speaker 2: I still don't. But I don't buy it. I don't
Speaker 2: buy the voter suppression thing. I just don't buy it.
Speaker 2: Every time something like this happens Democrats about voter suppression,
Speaker 2: I just I don't think it's a thing.
Speaker 4: Well, because you you probably weren't one of the hundreds.
Speaker 3: Of thousands of people who were purged.
Speaker 2: You know, and and have because I'm alive, not dead.
Speaker 2: That's why the dead.
Speaker 4: People I've met so many of these people who have
Speaker 4: been they've been voting their entire lives.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And the the the voter piece, the I D piece
Speaker 4: is fine. Like I grew up, I had to show
Speaker 4: identification was that big of a deal. Now now it's
Speaker 4: a Now it's an ID, and and and and it's fine,
Speaker 4: but there are a lot of folks who don't have
Speaker 4: the ID.
Speaker 3: They got to go get. They got to go get.
Speaker 3: They don't drive, they got to go. You got to
Speaker 3: go get.
Speaker 4: Then you know, a state I D and this would
Speaker 4: federalize elections and our IDs wouldn't work. So it's it's
Speaker 4: a disaster either way that he shouldn't be holding uh
Speaker 4: funding for.
Speaker 3: T s A.
Speaker 2: I hate the whole well, I mean there's there's also
Speaker 2: the other, the other political side of the alb but
Speaker 2: I I just hate the people that you expect these
Speaker 2: folks to be on the front lines. We're not paying them.
Speaker 2: It's a second why would anyone want to be a
Speaker 2: TSA agent now because there's a good chance every six
Speaker 2: months you're not going to get paid. Representative Greg Landsman
Speaker 2: on the show this morning, I will set that one aside.
Speaker 2: What about the Iran thing. You're one of the very
Speaker 2: few hawkish Democrats who thought, hey, you know what, we
Speaker 2: cut the head of the beast off. But are you
Speaker 2: surprised and what do you say relative to your support
Speaker 2: and now it looks like, you know, we're not going
Speaker 2: to have allies in this thing. The rest of the
Speaker 2: world saying we don't want anything to do with this.
Speaker 2: It's a hot mess straight Oh, Hormus's bloss gas prices
Speaker 2: here the triestate gregor up to four bucks a gallon
Speaker 2: right now, it is it's a mess right now. How
Speaker 2: do we get out of this?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the Krandain chief president is going to
Speaker 4: have to you know, navigate his way out of this.
Speaker 3: And I wish I.
Speaker 4: Could, you know, help with the allies, but it does
Speaker 4: require the commander in chief to pull together a coalition
Speaker 4: to get the sort of reviews piece resolved the operation itself.
Speaker 4: Had he just been clear from the beginning and and
Speaker 4: and said to the American people what was true, and
Speaker 4: that is, Look, the regime was building back up its
Speaker 4: missile shield around its enrichment facilities. They're going to try
Speaker 4: to enrich They're going to try to take the enriched
Speaker 4: uranium they have I get it to weapons grade. That
Speaker 4: could be catastrophic. Let's let's go ahead before it's too
Speaker 4: late and deal with this weapon shield. That was the
Speaker 4: entire operation, and now that it's over, he needs to
Speaker 4: be done he needs to stop saying on one you know,
Speaker 4: on one day, look we're winding down.
Speaker 3: This is going to be done. On the next day,
Speaker 3: I'm going to start blowing stuff up. He needs to
Speaker 3: be done. That will make a huge difference in resolve
Speaker 3: of resolving this.
Speaker 2: It's exhausting. I mean, one day it's like, hey, we're
Speaker 2: gonna pull up. Now it's like no, Now we're going
Speaker 2: to double down, and hey, what would be great if
Speaker 2: our allies would come help us here? Not well, screw
Speaker 2: you guys. We're going to go twice as it's like
Speaker 2: every day is it feels like a year with what's
Speaker 2: going on right now, I'm not helping himself. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, as someone who grew up
Speaker 2: during and remembers the Iranian hostage crisis, screw those guys.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone is sad that the Eye Tooll
Speaker 2: is dead, but now his sons in place, if he's
Speaker 2: still alive, who knows what's going on there in Iran
Speaker 2: right now, But they're they're holding up much and resisting
Speaker 2: more than we thought. I certainly don't want to see.
Speaker 2: I know, we deployed another Marine Expeditionary Unit GREG to
Speaker 2: the region. I don't want troops on the ground. I
Speaker 2: think that's pretty clear for almost all Americans, especially Democrats,
Speaker 2: but even Republicans are overwhelming. Oh, this is just we're
Speaker 2: not going to do this again.
Speaker 4: Now, no troops, no troops, no, you know, extended variation
Speaker 4: of this operation. The operation was destroy the missile shield,
Speaker 4: get rid of the launchers, the rockets, the missiles.
Speaker 3: And the navy.
Speaker 4: That will, you know, make it much easier for us
Speaker 4: to deal with the remaining and rest geranium, which we'll
Speaker 4: deal with later.
Speaker 3: But no ground troops, do not Mission treap here.
Speaker 4: Be done, and being done will resolve a bunch of
Speaker 4: these other issues, including.
Speaker 3: The straight of her views.
Speaker 2: All right, I want to win the limited time we
Speaker 2: have left, Greg Landsman, I wanted to get into this,
Speaker 2: which is something a little more controllable. We had at
Speaker 2: least a dozen dozens of people at UC on Saturday
Speaker 2: for a citizen forum on data center proposals spreading, and
Speaker 2: that would be in Hamilton and Wilmington and Trent in
Speaker 2: Maysville and maybe I'm Mount oreb and Kentucky and Indiana.
Speaker 2: They're all over the place, and in Adams County for
Speaker 2: that matter. And the key concern is energy costs are
Speaker 2: going up, water usage is going to go up. Environmental
Speaker 2: impact is an issue in a lot of cases, especially
Speaker 2: Adams County. Is a like of transparency there, and small
Speaker 2: communities are being outgunned by big tech. What was the
Speaker 2: tenor that meeting on Saturday that you took part in.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, people are frustrated.
Speaker 4: They want the data centers that they're going to come
Speaker 4: in to pay for everything that they use.
Speaker 3: It's you know, if they should.
Speaker 4: Pay for all the water, although less just the all
Speaker 4: their remediation, and and and and enough.
Speaker 3: With these nbas. I mean, the Ohio is a state.
Speaker 4: You know, we're very proud about our open meetings laws
Speaker 4: and in the sunshine laws.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And here you have these big tech companies coming in
Speaker 4: and signing m d as with elected officials in these
Speaker 4: towns and nobody knows what's going on.
Speaker 3: It's incredibly shady.
Speaker 4: And and then you know, electricity bills go up in
Speaker 4: addition to noise and all other all and a bunch
Speaker 4: of other issues. So you know, we have a bill,
Speaker 4: I mean, we're leading the charge on this.
Speaker 3: We have a bill called the.
Speaker 4: Do No Damage Data Centers which would require number. Trump said,
Speaker 4: he I I talked to all these big tech companies.
Speaker 4: They're gonna they're gonna go ahead and pay their their
Speaker 4: their their own way. But I did it with the handshake.
Speaker 3: Ours would be the bill that would codify it.
Speaker 4: It would say, look, they have to pay for everything
Speaker 4: when they come in and go to data. They got
Speaker 4: to pay for all their water, they got to pay
Speaker 4: for all their electricity, and no one's rates can go up.
Speaker 4: And if they don't do that, there will be severe penalties.
Speaker 4: There are severe penalties in the still and no more nbas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that is the issue in Adam's gown. I've
Speaker 2: been following that one out there. That's a good outlier
Speaker 2: because they're kind of like tip of the spear and
Speaker 2: they're putting a more toime as Cincinnati did. And I
Speaker 2: think that was smart on Cincinnati's part, not that I
Speaker 2: don't know if we're going to get a big data
Speaker 2: center here in Cincinnati, but kind of pump the brakes
Speaker 2: a second. I guess part of the problem is the
Speaker 2: urgency of putting this online, because let's face it, we're
Speaker 2: all if you're like, yah, screw big data in data centers.
Speaker 2: Guess what we're all part of the problem, the average American, Greg.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know as twenty one devices at any
Speaker 2: one time hooked up to the Information super Highway, which
Speaker 2: essentially is the pipe in the Internet, and all that
Speaker 2: requires data integration, requires AI, which is growing by leaps
Speaker 2: and bounds, and so we're part of the problem. We're
Speaker 2: kind of like the not in my backyard people right now.
Speaker 2: It's like, we want to use the phone. We expect
Speaker 2: instant in from mentions, the touch of a button, at
Speaker 2: the swipe of a finger, and you at the same time,
Speaker 2: we don't want the data centers going and it's not
Speaker 2: going to work that way.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, it's coming and we all use it.
Speaker 4: People think a lot of it is driven by AI,
Speaker 4: big chunk of it is. But to your point, twenty
Speaker 4: one devices are plugged in. I mean you're talking about
Speaker 4: your iPhone and your computer and all those other you
Speaker 4: get a.
Speaker 3: Smart toaster or whatever. It is exactly right. So people
Speaker 3: are using people are using it.
Speaker 4: I mean the question to me is twofold one is
Speaker 4: who pays and who benefits? And you know big Tech
Speaker 4: and you know they got billions of dollars. There's some
Speaker 4: of the richest people in the world. They are the
Speaker 4: richest people in the world. They should pay. I don't
Speaker 4: want our chunds and our rate payers to pay. And
Speaker 4: then when it comes to who benefits, we need to
Speaker 4: get our act together to make sure that the people
Speaker 4: who are benefiting from this AI revolution aren't just the
Speaker 4: people at the top that it's it's everybody that our
Speaker 4: kids are growing.
Speaker 3: Up learning how to use this and they are the.
Speaker 4: Ones who are going to benefit just as much as
Speaker 4: anyone else. Otherwise it's going to create, if you know,
Speaker 4: more unevenness in our economy if we don't, if we
Speaker 4: don't resolve this, you know, digital divide issue immediately. But
Speaker 4: the most version thing is who pays for these data
Speaker 4: centers and our break Let's be very clear, let's protect our.
Speaker 3: Towns and our ratepayers. Big tech to pay.
Speaker 2: Okay, And it's it's a catch twenty two because we
Speaker 2: demand this stuff and yet we don't really want the
Speaker 2: big power suckers that are the data centers out there.
Speaker 2: It's just a man. I don't mind the state leaning
Speaker 2: into it saying, hey, we want to attract all of
Speaker 2: this stuff because it's good for the future, for the
Speaker 2: foreseeable future, but certainly the environmental, the water, and the
Speaker 2: electricity issues are big ones at that. Should we be
Speaker 2: fast tracking legislation and ease up a nuclear power I
Speaker 2: know that other I know companies like Google and other
Speaker 2: are going to build build them like nuclear reactors to
Speaker 2: power not only their AI facilities, but also sell it
Speaker 2: back to the grid. So it makes a lot easier.
Speaker 2: Is that a good idea?
Speaker 4: I don't think easing up on the right And I
Speaker 4: don't know if you said this, but you know we
Speaker 4: don't want to ease up on the oversight. But yeah,
Speaker 4: we got a fast track. We got to move these
Speaker 4: things forward. I think it is It is a It
Speaker 4: is a good source of energy, but we also need
Speaker 4: permitting reform. I mean, this country is going to consume
Speaker 4: an enormous amount of energy and electricity. We've been here before.
Speaker 3: You know, somebody was mentioning.
Speaker 4: When the air conditioner was invented all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you know that we were dealing with something similar.
Speaker 3: So you know, we we we can't we can handle.
Speaker 4: This, but it does require us to produce more energy,
Speaker 4: and I want it to be clean and that's a
Speaker 4: you know, that's a clean source of uh of energy
Speaker 4: so long as it's safe. And you know that doesn't
Speaker 4: mean that we have to be you have to have
Speaker 4: some oversight.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Why we're not continuing to build out these uh these facilities.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's been, you know, one of
Speaker 4: the most reliable sources of clean energy we've ever had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think back of the day, when are
Speaker 2: the protests against it? That was a mistake, you know,
Speaker 2: people living in the moment. But yeah, I agree. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that we should just go, hey, build a
Speaker 2: nuclear actor. What could go wrong? There's got to be
Speaker 2: over sight, but I think the regulatory Look, it shouldn't
Speaker 2: take thirty years to get one online.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: No, no, don't have that. I mean we don't, but
Speaker 4: also I shouldn't. It doesn't take that much time anymore.
Speaker 4: But you know, we know how to do this, So
Speaker 4: you know, they're coming up.
Speaker 3: With these smaller uh you know.
Speaker 4: Plants and these modulars to whatever they're called, and and
Speaker 4: I think there's real benefit to those, but that still
Speaker 4: takes a while. So you know, the point is, you know,
Speaker 4: you either have a moratorm on going back to the
Speaker 4: data center. You either have a moratorium and say, well,
Speaker 4: you know, we're not going to build them here, even
Speaker 4: though you have to build them here because they're they're
Speaker 4: going to be connected to the grid, or you say
Speaker 4: we're building them here, but here are the rules, and
Speaker 4: they're simple. The rules are the data center in big tech,
Speaker 4: they pay for everything. They pay for the water, they
Speaker 4: pay for the electricity, and they pay for the remediation
Speaker 4: and no NBA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll make their money back for sure. I
Speaker 2: wonder you know. I also the one to the point
Speaker 2: where we make it so onerous that they don't do
Speaker 2: business in Ohio. So we got to, you know, and
Speaker 2: you want to bring these companies in. We need them,
Speaker 2: but we certainly have to set up some rules just
Speaker 2: to make sure that their abuse is the water. One
Speaker 2: I think is going to be interesting. That's gonna be
Speaker 2: interesting fight. We'll save that for later. A out of time.
Speaker 2: He is Congress and Greg Land's been jumping on the
Speaker 2: show this morning. Greg always appreciate the insight. Thanks again,
Speaker 2: Thanks take care. Hell yeah, disagree with a couple of things,
Speaker 2: agree with a couple others. We've got to move forward
Speaker 2: on data centers, but you do just some balance in there.
Speaker 2: The Iran issue is God only knows what's happening there.
Speaker 2: But relative to TSA workers, DHS funding and the role
Speaker 2: of ICE agents, this whole thing. One side screams about
Speaker 2: illegals voting, which isn't happening. The other side screams about
Speaker 2: voter suppression, which I don't think is happening all about
Speaker 2: it's listen, at some point, it's so hard you got
Speaker 2: to get an idea and like, listen, man, I'm a
Speaker 2: grown adult. It's a life is a pain in the ass.
Speaker 2: It's a I had to drive to Detroit to get
Speaker 2: global entry so we could go on vacation. So don't
Speaker 2: tell me the government it's like, oh, it's so hard
Speaker 2: for people to just really, isn't It's just it's a
Speaker 2: pain in the ass.
Speaker 3: That is what it is.
Speaker 2: That's what government does. We'll get a news updated and uh,
Speaker 2: maybe some reaction to this. But also remember when the
Speaker 2: Vice mayor Jan michelleman Kearney wanted to pay criminals not
Speaker 2: to criminal. I want to pay you not your criminal.
Speaker 2: We're going to pay you not to criminal. Does it work. Well,
Speaker 2: We've got some interesting news out of Chicago today. We'll
Speaker 2: share it with you next Scott's Loan Monday morning. Welcome
Speaker 2: to at seven hundred WLW Clody here, seven hundred WLW
Speaker 2: Welcome to it on this Monday morning. Good to see
Speaker 2: our buddy Tom Brenneman filling in today for Steve Hawkins.
Speaker 2: It's wonderful, absolutely wonderful. Getting ready for opening day twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six on Thursday at the Holy Girl Banks. Here
Speaker 2: we go, so here we go. You heard Brian Combs
Speaker 2: mention it shooting's up sixty percent in Cincinnati year over
Speaker 2: year and four more now, four more over the weekend,
Speaker 2: including one homicide. Let's go back to a plan here,
Speaker 2: and this was introduced in twenty twenty four and it
Speaker 2: didn't really get funded the two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to advance peace. It has been rejuvenated. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to vote on it anytime
Speaker 2: soon and what the future is. But the idea is
Speaker 2: presented by Vice Mayor Lemon Michelle Kearney, who wants to
Speaker 2: essentially pay criminals not to criminal And there's a couple
Speaker 2: of models that are out there that the experts say, well,
Speaker 2: you know here's the thing. We get this money we
Speaker 2: give them, We give them cash. Like for example, Advance
Speaker 2: Peace enrolls people who have committed gun crimes in an
Speaker 2: eighteen month Peacemaker fellowship, and the idea is active shooters
Speaker 2: are touched by street outreach mentorship relationships with those directly
Speaker 2: involved include of those who pull the trigger, and allegedly
Speaker 2: in other cities this is working so advanced pieces that
Speaker 2: it pays the triggermen to change. But Peacekeepers, this is
Speaker 2: a plan in Chicago, puts community members around the triggermen
Speaker 2: to stop it before it happens. So one rewards essentially
Speaker 2: past criminal behavior. The other deploys messengers proactively. Is what
Speaker 2: they say, and it's you know again. I think it's
Speaker 2: a nuance between the two programs really, because ultimately, what
Speaker 2: you're doing is, hey, listen, you're somebody you want to
Speaker 2: turn your life around. Sure, well here's some money, so
Speaker 2: you can get your money, but you don't have to
Speaker 2: do to things you used to to get that money,
Speaker 2: and then you can influence other people. I mean, in
Speaker 2: the perfect world to be utopia, it sounds grand, but
Speaker 2: we don't live in a perfect world. I'm more of
Speaker 2: a pragmatist I'm sure you might be quite the pragmatist
Speaker 2: as well. I don't know, but we do have some
Speaker 2: data out relative to the Chicago Plan. Peacekeepers, much like
Speaker 2: Advanced Peace Chicago, spent a billion dollars a billion dollars
Speaker 2: with a bet on community violence intervention the CBI programs
Speaker 2: they called it, over the last ten years, the last decade,
Speaker 2: and that program some of those programs. Part of this
Speaker 2: pays former and sometimes current gang bangers to mediate conflicts
Speaker 2: to prevent shooting. So the idea is, hey, you guys
Speaker 2: are in the gang, you're in the streets right now, right,
Speaker 2: and you're affiliated. So what we want you to do is,
Speaker 2: here's some money. It's known you are going to be
Speaker 2: a mediator here because you can essentially walk in the
Speaker 2: shoes of that people are doing this right and you
Speaker 2: can prevent them from shooting. So Peacekeepers pays these participants
Speaker 2: up to one hundred and fifty dollars one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty bucks a day to wear neon vests, kind of
Speaker 2: like you know, the street team down on Fountain Square,
Speaker 2: except not cleaning up you know, physical trash, clean up
Speaker 2: human trash, I guess. But anyway, we're in the invest
Speaker 2: they worked the hotspots, and so the Free Press did
Speaker 2: an investigation and they found twenty eight or as peacekeepers
Speaker 2: since January twenty twenty three, and that would include murder,
Speaker 2: drug trafficking, and weapons chargers. One peacekeeper has this picture
Speaker 2: with Governor Pritzker of Illinois and then after that picture
Speaker 2: participated in a smash and grab robbery about six days
Speaker 2: later that killed a man whose baby was born the
Speaker 2: next day. They also have found, because of the massive
Speaker 2: billion dollars in funding for this thing, that some of
Speaker 2: the funds went towards vodka, taco trucks, Apple Star purchases,
Speaker 2: and a whole bunch of other waste. So again, every
Speaker 2: time you go, hey, listen, we're gonna here's this money,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna give some of this money to this
Speaker 2: this group, or we're going to turn it over to
Speaker 2: these individuals here, because they're going to take that money
Speaker 2: and disperse it. And when you hear politicians say that,
Speaker 2: andy go, okay, here's a million dollars. Let's say not
Speaker 2: a billion, but a million. So out of that million,
Speaker 2: here saying well, we got also we're going to give
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand to this group. Seventy five thousand, this
Speaker 2: group two hundred thousand's going to go to this group,
Speaker 2: you know. So the community gets on board, and what
Speaker 2: happens is they just look at that and go, you
Speaker 2: and I pay for it. But they know the money's
Speaker 2: gonna get wasted. And we've seen this with FEMA, We've
Speaker 2: seen this a bunch of other things. We just know
Speaker 2: that it's graft. In order to keep vocal members of
Speaker 2: the community engaged, we have to pay them off. And
Speaker 2: so anytime you hear that, well, we've got we've got
Speaker 2: to fund these other program It's just a kickback, is
Speaker 2: what it is. It's a kickback. And so in this case,
Speaker 2: Chicago tries if they spend a billion dollars over ten
Speaker 2: years and now we're still talking about violence intervention vention
Speaker 2: here in Cincinnati, are we about to write the same
Speaker 2: check with the same results. I think that's the question.
Speaker 2: That's a question I have. There's no serious accountability structure.
Speaker 2: One alderman in Chicago called it a scam and a
Speaker 2: revolving door. There's I forget the podcaster, but somebody got
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars in sub grants. What does a
Speaker 2: podcast have to do with stopping shootings. Also this person
Speaker 2: as they use the money to become a clothing influencer. Great, awesome,
Speaker 2: that's what we need. Awesome. And so as we always
Speaker 2: demand line item accountability, you feel that anytime you do
Speaker 2: these programs, you just kind of wink wink, nudge, nudge,
Speaker 2: and you go with the flow. Maybe like back in
Speaker 2: the day, you know, he got a grease, so well,
Speaker 2: we got to pay the mob off a little bit
Speaker 2: for protection. Same kind of thing. It's a different kind
Speaker 2: of mob. It's a different kind of mob. The disturbing
Speaker 2: part is you had almost thirty people arrested in the
Speaker 2: last three years on murder, battery, gun chargers, drugs, had said,
Speaker 2: and one person who was part of this program getting
Speaker 2: money was arrested twice in ten days. One of the
Speaker 2: other studies he did too, was they got a bunch
Speaker 2: of folks together candidly and they said, okay, who's in
Speaker 2: this who's here just for the money? In about forty
Speaker 2: percent of the crowd raise their hand to go show you, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you're gonna give me money with little accountability. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do that because you are at the heart, you're you're
Speaker 2: engaging criminal behavior. So you're willing to have no moral
Speaker 2: obligate whatsoever, no obligation to society. It's about you. And
Speaker 2: I'm sorry when you take someone like that, with those
Speaker 2: kind of ethos and put them in a situation where, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to pay you to be nice, it's not
Speaker 2: going to work out largely. And I get it. You know,
Speaker 2: you need street credibility to reach people. The cops can't,
Speaker 2: the people who intervene can't. But you're you know, and
Speaker 2: you're paying people for being gang members. That's actually what
Speaker 2: you're doing. And so I don't know you start with kids,
Speaker 2: but again, the lure of the street is so pervasive
Speaker 2: that I don't think you can get through this.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: We have our own history of community police tension and
Speaker 2: downtown safety concerns, and we know all about that Riverfront
Speaker 2: live shooting. It's just that the problem I think that
Speaker 2: doesn't pass the sniff tests as a pragmatist is the
Speaker 2: unaccountable cash payments to high risk individuals. And to me,
Speaker 2: it feels just like a political gesture. Well, the idea is, well,
Speaker 2: we have to do something. We've tried everything. We need
Speaker 2: tougher gun laws, Okay, we've had tougher gun laws for years.
Speaker 2: It's really not moving to the el nation. With all
Speaker 2: the weapons that we have, ninety nine plus percent in
Speaker 2: the hands of legitimate people who don't do these things
Speaker 2: with them, it doesn't make a lot of sense. And
Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to change the Constitution.
Speaker 2: The Second Amendment's not going anywhere anytime soon. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what overstriight site structure Cincinnati would put in
Speaker 2: place that Chicago didn't, because I think, you know, if
Speaker 2: there's a pot of money there that the government wants
Speaker 2: is to hand out, there's gonna be people lined up,
Speaker 2: and not only that, a number of the people who
Speaker 2: are lined up have absolutely no problems taking it with
Speaker 2: producing zero result. You know, paying game members not to
Speaker 2: shoot each other sounds compassionate until they spend the money
Speaker 2: on vodka and you know, go smash and grab a
Speaker 2: I don't know, the protest store at the mall. You know,
Speaker 2: if you look at the receipts of Chicago, that's really
Speaker 2: not that's really not good. Hey look at Chicago, and
Speaker 2: you know, at anytime you do this at cherry Pick,
Speaker 2: So you're gonna look at the cities wh are Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's worked here, that's worked there. Well, okay, that's good,
Speaker 2: but tell me where it didn't work, Because you're trying
Speaker 2: to tell me something. I don't know the successes. I
Speaker 2: want to know the failures and did you learn from
Speaker 2: the failures? Clearly? Not clearly? Not so anyway, that's what's happening.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of interesting and at some point
Speaker 2: it'll be reintroduced. We did this in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: They wanted two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. Council
Speaker 2: voted for it, eventually got shot down, and it's back
Speaker 2: on the table again this year, or at least it
Speaker 2: was last year and end of this year, I would sume,
Speaker 2: because you know, when you think there's utopia out there
Speaker 2: and we can live in a perfect world where there's
Speaker 2: no wars, there's no fighting, everyone loves each other, I
Speaker 2: got news fair. The world doesn't love on a run,
Speaker 2: doesn't run on love. God bless you for going to
Speaker 2: the world pi idoe ey'd stary eyed thinking you can
Speaker 2: change it. There are people out there who are not
Speaker 2: going to change. There are people out there simply don't
Speaker 2: care about you, but they will take your money with
Speaker 2: a zero accountability that they will do. And it happens
Speaker 2: all the time, all the time. News on the way
Speaker 2: in about nine minutes here on the Big One, seven
Speaker 2: hundred WW Opening Day coming up Thursday live, the Holy
Speaker 2: Girl Banks will see you down for that. Can't wait
Speaker 2: hopefully the weather and it looks like we got a
Speaker 2: little window on Thursday. It's still too early, I mean
Speaker 2: these you know the opening Day fourcast. Look it's Monday, man,
Speaker 2: Thursday's a long way away, a long way away. Let
Speaker 2: me know on how we looking on Wednesday. But I'm
Speaker 2: being optimistic as I usually am, saying there's that window,
Speaker 2: you know, we see that where like rains overnight and
Speaker 2: then clears up and then the game goes off and
Speaker 2: then later in the night there's more rain coming in.
Speaker 2: But right now it's looking, it's looking if it looks
Speaker 2: like it's a go for Reds Baseball on Thursday. Let's
Speaker 2: just bottom line it for you. Slooney at five, one, three, seven, four,
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Speaker 2: year on scathed. However, later in the show, look at
Speaker 2: other than thirty five, we'll do our weekly update with
Speaker 2: Jeff gar from Lockdown Reds. It's the car show, and
Speaker 2: we're going to talk largely about the Reds pitching situation
Speaker 2: ahead of opening day because we got problems. We were
Speaker 2: fat and happy just about a week ago, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's blister city, all right. We
Speaker 2: keep losing guys. You know, Brady Singer was flagged for
Speaker 2: blister back on March eighteenth, but things look good from
Speaker 2: that point forward. Of course, you've got Hunter Green out
Speaker 2: till at least July because of the bone chips. You
Speaker 2: have Caleb Ferguson who's coming out of the bullpen. He
Speaker 2: starts a season on the IL. He's got an MRI
Speaker 2: scheduled for later this week actually, I think what maybe Wednesday,
Speaker 2: And so we're kind of a little decimated right now.
Speaker 2: And on top of it, yesterday, Nicolodolo exits his final
Speaker 2: spring spring training start with a blister on his left
Speaker 2: index finger, and this has been a big issue for
Speaker 2: him for his career. He missed the what over three
Speaker 2: weeks last August with the same problem. And I know
Speaker 2: that it's been extremely hot in Arizona. If you haven't
Speaker 2: been following it closely, they have moved. They had moved
Speaker 2: a number of games outside of the hot hours because
Speaker 2: it was one hundred and five degrees out there was crazy,
Speaker 2: and I guess if you're going to develop a blister,
Speaker 2: it's going to be when it's that hot out. But
Speaker 2: you got Dolo, you got Singer, you got green out.
Speaker 2: Now we had all this pitching, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: now it's looking a little bit thinner. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that these guys can't step up on Opening Day, and
Speaker 2: especially with the bats you have McLean and Ellie and Freedom.
Speaker 2: If these guys can keep hitting the ball, it's going
Speaker 2: to solve a lot of problems for sure. So anyway,
Speaker 2: Jeff car eleven thirty five will get into that, and
Speaker 2: of course more on opening day itself. Here on the
Speaker 2: Home of the Red, seven hundred w WT Cincinnati. You
Speaker 2: want to be an American idiot, Planty here seven hundred wws.
Speaker 2: You parked the legally, you pay and guess what you
Speaker 2: still got, Rob. We have a parking scam going on
Speaker 2: in America right now. On that is attorney Carry Lutz,
Speaker 2: who's investigator All Luso wrote a book about it.
Speaker 3: Carry, how are you doing great?
Speaker 6: And appreciate you helping to get the word out on this.
Speaker 6: It is a multi billion dollar scam that they soak
Speaker 6: us for five fifty dollars at a time. You don't
Speaker 6: even realize that you're being taken.
Speaker 3: Many of the signs throughout the country, signs that say
Speaker 3: scan here to pay aren't legal. They aren't legal. They
Speaker 3: can't be writing tickets based on these signs. Signs in America,
Speaker 3: street signs are strictly governed by the NUTCD, the law
Speaker 3: that you have been living by your whole life. You
Speaker 3: never even heard about it.
Speaker 6: It's the manual on uniform and emphasize uniform traffic control devices.
Speaker 6: Just substitute signs for traffic control devices. A sign is
Speaker 6: a traffic control device if and only if it conforms
Speaker 6: to federal standards. Every state has adopted this law and
Speaker 6: they can't write a ticket, yet they do every single
Speaker 6: day of the week if the sign doesn't conform.
Speaker 3: And you will all know the signs you.
Speaker 2: Just assume because they're the QR codes on them. Now,
Speaker 2: so carry out its first. As far as Cincinnati goes,
Speaker 2: we know cities across the country they've they've kind of
Speaker 2: privatized parking enforcement to tech companies basically, and you mentioned
Speaker 2: the signage, clear signage, lawful notice. There's app based contracts,
Speaker 2: there's but they also harvest your data. There's the penalty.
Speaker 2: Systems will confuse rather than form. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: like this constitutional grazone. Now, I will say that Cincinnati
Speaker 2: has not yet fully outsourced our parking enforcement the way
Speaker 2: places like well Chicago or Pittsburgh have. So we hate
Speaker 2: the Cubs and we hite the Bucks. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Enforcement is run by the by the Parking Division of Cincinnati. Now,
Speaker 2: they they push the pay by Phone app, but that's
Speaker 2: a private third party platform that's operating a bunch of cities.
Speaker 2: And they also have since the since the easy park
Speaker 2: app for Ebeart payment, which I use. But drivers here
Speaker 2: still interact with private apps to pay meters. It's not
Speaker 2: as bad as other cities, but it feels like a
Speaker 2: slippery slop like it might be heading that way.
Speaker 6: It's getting there. When a city adopts an app, they
Speaker 6: find that their revenues from parking, both fees and violations
Speaker 6: go up forty to one hundred and sixty percent just
Speaker 6: from the apps. And one other thing about the app.
Speaker 6: You know, and I know there are millions of miners
Speaker 6: driving the nation's highways. They get their licenses, some as
Speaker 6: early as fifteen. I think in a least of fourteen
Speaker 6: and up to seventeen.
Speaker 3: You're a minor. You can't enter into contracts. That's why a.
Speaker 6: Bank will not loan a child money. And the when
Speaker 6: you actually download the app and click I accept, you
Speaker 6: are saying.
Speaker 3: I wave my right to trial by jury, I wave
Speaker 3: my right.
Speaker 6: To enter into a class action. I consent to have
Speaker 6: my data shared with God knows how many different partners
Speaker 6: that these apps are. I mean it's a question of
Speaker 6: who don't they share your data with park Mobile, you
Speaker 6: can sent to have your data stored in foreign countries.
Speaker 6: And for miners, they're getting the geolocation, the exact location
Speaker 6: of a minor when they pay for the parking.
Speaker 3: And this is just unconscionable. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 6: They endanger miners potentially, but they shouldn't be entering into
Speaker 6: contract and many states now are passing laws requiring parental
Speaker 6: consent before the minor is allowed to even utilize an
Speaker 6: app or a game on the platform. I've written takedown
Speaker 6: notices to Google App Store and Apple App Store saying
Speaker 6: this thing is rated for four years and up, which
Speaker 6: means anybody can use it, and yet you're allowing miners
Speaker 6: to consent to sharing data.
Speaker 3: It's illegal, out and out.
Speaker 6: I've also sent complaints to the FTC, the Florida Attorney General,
Speaker 6: the Texas Attorney General, a number of others, the SEC
Speaker 6: because they're issuing bonds backed by parking.
Speaker 3: Revenues that are illegally illegal revenue streets.
Speaker 2: So when you said the signs themselves are are legal,
Speaker 2: like the QR code on the signs, first of all,
Speaker 2: are those ones that are on public streets? What about
Speaker 2: parking lots or city owned parking lots, and you mentioned
Speaker 2: they can't write a citation for that.
Speaker 3: Why isn't okay?
Speaker 6: So when you have a city owned lot or a
Speaker 6: private parking facility, different rules apply. But even the city
Speaker 6: owned lot really needs to comply to some extent with
Speaker 6: the federal guidelines. So but on street parking, that's what
Speaker 6: we're talking about here. But if a parking lot connects
Speaker 6: to a street and part of it is a ivate road, effectively,
Speaker 6: then the standards apply. The point is they should be
Speaker 6: using those standards for any government owned parking facilities.
Speaker 3: Anywhere.
Speaker 6: I mean, for instance, the sign is supposed to be
Speaker 6: seven feet high. I wish I had a dollar for
Speaker 6: every sign that was six and a half or five
Speaker 6: feet high. It's supposed to face oncoming traffic. How many
Speaker 6: signs have you seen that are mounted parallel to the street.
Speaker 6: Unacceptable because the whole point of it is uniformity, so
Speaker 6: that if you're in Alaska or you're in Key West,
Speaker 6: you can get on the highway, you can see a sign.
Speaker 6: You don't have to think about it, you know exactly
Speaker 6: what it means. Also to stop somebody from say Portlandia
Speaker 6: or Seattle, they decide that they don't like the system,
Speaker 6: and they want stop signs to be green and instead
Speaker 6: of red, and they want people to stop on green
Speaker 6: lights and go on red lights.
Speaker 2: Does that technicalivy negate? The law?
Speaker 6: The enforcement law, absolutely, because if the sign's defective, that
Speaker 6: is your due process, your notice of the law.
Speaker 3: You can't be expected to know a law if.
Speaker 6: You haven't gotten notice to obeyl a law, and so
Speaker 6: anything that comes from that. If the sign is illegal,
Speaker 6: the tickets they're legal, all right.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati uses we have the Cincinnati Easy Park app. But
Speaker 2: also there's pay by phone which is a third party
Speaker 2: app and it's in well over a thousand cities. Well,
Speaker 2: who owns the data collected When a Cincinnati driver or
Speaker 2: a suburban driver, out of time driver goes in parks
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati use that app, what can they do with it?
Speaker 3: That's a great question.
Speaker 6: Now, really effectively, this is a big tech solution for
Speaker 6: a simple problem. So pretty much the app owns the data.
Speaker 6: This city might be able to obtain the data or
Speaker 6: certain portions of it, but the app owns the data.
Speaker 3: They own your data.
Speaker 6: And look in the remember Ababacare, they said, if you
Speaker 6: don't get health insurance.
Speaker 3: Then we're going to find you.
Speaker 6: And the Supreme Court said that's okay, because you do
Speaker 6: have a choice. But for instance, in the town upon Beach,
Speaker 6: the President's home away from DC, the winter White House
Speaker 6: in that town, they have done away with all other
Speaker 6: forms of payment.
Speaker 3: So, in other words, if.
Speaker 6: You want to park in Palm Beach, you have to
Speaker 6: use the app, and that therefore they're forcing you into
Speaker 6: a private contract.
Speaker 3: And that's what all of them are doing.
Speaker 6: They all want you to use the app because they
Speaker 6: don't want to collect meters, they don't want pay stations,
Speaker 6: they want you to use the app, and they force
Speaker 6: you into a private contract that's called coerced contracting compulsory contracting,
Speaker 6: and then it's with a third party, so you have
Speaker 6: to pay to pay to park sure because they charge
Speaker 6: you a convenience fee. I don't know who it's convenient for,
Speaker 6: whether it's.
Speaker 3: For them or for you.
Speaker 6: But look, it's all on life site, parkscam dot com.
Speaker 6: The book is there, and I think that you know,
Speaker 6: it's been allowed to fester for too long. Originally parking
Speaker 6: leaders served a valid purpose, and that was they didn't
Speaker 6: want people parking in front of merchants all that long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they went to squat and there basically treated like
Speaker 2: a parking lot because they want to They want to
Speaker 2: turn traffic over so people can spend money. Start Sure,
Speaker 2: and it's now it's turning to well, I think I
Speaker 2: think Chicago is a great example. They've been knew this
Speaker 2: for a long long time and that's considered by many
Speaker 2: people the disaster. But uh, that is like how it
Speaker 2: gets sold to councils. And you know, we're always looking
Speaker 2: for money right the city since naw, we need money.
Speaker 2: We sold our railroad so we could fix the roads
Speaker 2: here that've been ill repaired for twenty plus years. This
Speaker 2: feels like something they go, wow, okay, well can we
Speaker 2: make some money off this thing? Much money, much like
Speaker 2: Ohio did before they passed along these law which which
Speaker 2: outlawed these speed cameras, and so you know you'd go through, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you get this ticket in the mail. I didn't even
Speaker 2: always drive in the car, and you know, paying these
Speaker 2: exorbitant fees and you couldn't fight it because there's some
Speaker 2: out of state po box and that got struck down
Speaker 2: in Ohio smartly enough. This sounds like it's like the
Speaker 2: next incarnation of that.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it will be.
Speaker 6: I've sued the six municipalities. I have sued three parking
Speaker 6: apps in the US District Court in in South Florida,
Speaker 6: and they're going.
Speaker 3: To have to account for it.
Speaker 6: I've also put in some complaints to the Florida Department
Speaker 6: of Transportation. They've been very upset about street art that
Speaker 6: it's not a traffic control device, it's illegal, and it's
Speaker 6: an opinion said all illegal traffic control devices need to
Speaker 6: be immediately removed because they're a danger to the road.
Speaker 6: And yet these parking signs are abundant and the towns,
Speaker 6: the cities view them as free money, but in the
Speaker 6: end they.
Speaker 3: Really injure merchants.
Speaker 6: Downtowns were ruined by parking, and that's why people started
Speaker 6: going to malls. And the more they this is just
Speaker 6: an extractive system. They provide you no value, all right,
Speaker 6: no value whatsoever for parking. We own the curves, right,
Speaker 6: the public owns the streets, so they're charging you.
Speaker 3: You know, I get the.
Speaker 6: Fact you need turnover. You don't want somebody hogging all
Speaker 6: the all the retail, right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And private
Speaker 6: parking that's a private matter between you and.
Speaker 3: The owner of the garage.
Speaker 6: But when they use an app, and you can't even
Speaker 6: park in the facility unless you use the app, all right,
Speaker 6: so you have a choice. So I won't park there.
Speaker 6: But for children getting their data shared and basically the
Speaker 6: app is a data harvesting tool. Would you believe that
Speaker 6: the app actually creates or has the ability to create
Speaker 6: a behavioral profile of the user. They know when you
Speaker 6: go to work, they know whenever you park, and then
Speaker 6: that picks up patterns and then they market to you
Speaker 6: these app companies. I get monthly emails from park Mobile
Speaker 6: saying join the Private Park, Mobile club and YouTube.
Speaker 3: Can you know?
Speaker 6: It does the thing that every app should do, which is,
Speaker 6: if you're running late, you should have the ability to
Speaker 6: automatically extend time.
Speaker 3: So their private club app does that.
Speaker 6: They don't charge convenience fees, but they're regular app that
Speaker 6: the general public downloads doesn't automatically spend time. So if
Speaker 6: they could do it for the people paying, why can't
Speaker 6: they do it for the people who are who are
Speaker 6: just casually.
Speaker 2: Carry lots at parkscam dot com and not bad yet
Speaker 2: Here in Cincinnati, we're talking about the pay by phone
Speaker 2: app since the easy park is meter payment here in
Speaker 2: the city has that and everything's enforced by the Parking Division,
Speaker 2: but the pay by phone app is being used in
Speaker 2: some lots in other areas, and it's kind of like
Speaker 2: Mission Creep. And the idea here is you are forced
Speaker 2: to enter a third party contract outside the scope of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: much like we did with speed cameras, where even if
Speaker 2: you follow the signs and think you parked legally, you
Speaker 2: can still get a ticket. How does that actually happen
Speaker 2: though it sign says I can park here at park,
Speaker 2: I pay and I still get a ticket. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Well, you think the sign says that, and a lot
Speaker 6: of tickets are are actually thrown out when people take time,
Speaker 6: when you take the time to actually challenge them, and
Speaker 6: the parking enforcement officer what we used to affectionately called
Speaker 6: meter maids.
Speaker 3: They don't know the law generally any.
Speaker 6: Better than you do. All they do is scan your plate.
Speaker 6: The thing says violation, create ticket, and that's what they do.
Speaker 6: It's more and more an automated process. They even have
Speaker 6: cameras that clock you when you come in and then
Speaker 6: clock you when you leave, and if you stay two
Speaker 6: minutes over you get a violation. So all of it
Speaker 6: is just it's just gotten to the point where it's
Speaker 6: just totally extracted. It just provides no value and it
Speaker 6: needs to stop.
Speaker 2: You mentioned that there's like a constancial gray zone that
Speaker 2: no regular or wants to claim jurisdiction at the federal
Speaker 2: state are here in cincinn at the local level. So
Speaker 2: how does that? What's the gray zone? And who should
Speaker 2: be mine in the store? Why aren't they?
Speaker 6: Well, it's every so the NUTCD that's the bible of
Speaker 6: the road. It's twelve hundred thick pages of every sign,
Speaker 6: speed limits, of traffic lights. You name it, markings on curbs,
Speaker 6: et cetera. And in it every state has had to
Speaker 6: adopt it. They passed laws generally, and so basically in Florida,
Speaker 6: the Florida Department of Transportation is responsible to see that
Speaker 6: this thing is carried out. And they have the ability
Speaker 6: as well as the FEDS to say, you're not complying
Speaker 6: with the manual, you're losing highway funds. And that's what
Speaker 6: Florida is doing with the street art, getting the cities
Speaker 6: to remove the street art, saying this is a traffic
Speaker 6: control device and it doesn't comply and you're losing your money.
Speaker 6: And it's millions of dollars a city, like for Ludderdale.
Speaker 6: So every every state has the ability to actually implement
Speaker 6: this and force these cities to comply with the law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're making money off it. That's the whole
Speaker 2: driver this thing, which asked the begs of question. More
Speaker 2: and more cities each day must be privatizing the parking
Speaker 2: apps and things like that because they're making money.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Oh, of course, there was an area in a city
Speaker 6: here called Riviera Beach, Singer Island, very plush, and they
Speaker 6: implemented a parking system in a lot that forever had
Speaker 6: been free and the prices are outrageous. This is what
Speaker 6: started me off on the whole thing. And they figured
Speaker 6: they could bring in a couple million dollars a year. Well,
Speaker 6: except they privatized the entire system where city employees don't
Speaker 6: even write the tickets. It's the private employees write the
Speaker 6: ticket and they and then the judge, jury and executioner.
Speaker 6: They actually they actually there's an admunication portal and you
Speaker 6: basically if you want to challenge the ticket, you go
Speaker 6: to this site and then you have to struggle to
Speaker 6: find the link that says challenge this ticket, and then
Speaker 6: they decide whether or not you have a valid plane,
Speaker 6: and then they want to charge you for an arbitrator
Speaker 6: if you don't agree with their decisions.
Speaker 2: It sounds like it sounds almost exactly like the speed
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Speaker 2: our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday with mental
Speaker 2: health expert Julie Hattershire. Yeah, so autism diagnosis an all
Speaker 2: time high. Understanding wise, we're still catching up. So what
Speaker 2: do you do when a child has a melt down
Speaker 2: in a grocery store? How do you talk to a
Speaker 2: nonverbal person? What are we getting wrong about autism? I
Speaker 2: bring this up because we have had an incredible number
Speaker 2: of deaths involving autistic children in this case, we had
Speaker 2: just another one last weekend. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: they're like nine where they walk into a pond. We
Speaker 2: had one in Deerfield Township, a four year old drowning,
Speaker 2: and so there's something about water that attracts autistic children.
Speaker 2: Not much we can do about that other then maybe
Speaker 2: just keeping an eye out if you have a retention
Speaker 2: pond your house or your neighborhood or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: But you've got to really be careful for some of
Speaker 2: the young men in Westchester last summer who passed away.
Speaker 2: But it brings autism back in the light. We certainly
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time talking about people are where
Speaker 2: it exists. It's a real thing, but you just wonder
Speaker 2: how many folks actually understand what it is. And on
Speaker 2: that as our licensed mental health therapist of course, Julie
Speaker 2: Hattershare on the show on seven hundred WW for mental
Speaker 2: health money.
Speaker 5: Good morning, good morning, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm fine. These are horrible stories to read about when
Speaker 2: you have young people who are dying. I mean kids
Speaker 2: who are dying are autistic and they wander off and
Speaker 2: go off the reservation. I think they call it eloping.
Speaker 2: Is the a formal term when they do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is horrifying.
Speaker 3: It truly is.
Speaker 5: And there is a higher prevalence of it in the
Speaker 5: autistic child community than in the non autistic child community.
Speaker 5: All children are attracted to water, but autistic children tend
Speaker 5: to drown more frequently than non autistic children do. It
Speaker 5: is called a open yeah, and they run away, they leave,
Speaker 5: They wander off for various reasons. And one of the
Speaker 5: things that's important if you're a caregiver of someone who's
Speaker 5: autistic to understand is what they may be trying to
Speaker 5: do by leaving. They're not just wandering for no reason.
Speaker 5: There's a need they're trying.
Speaker 1: To meet or want.
Speaker 5: They're trying to fill, something they're trying to escape from,
Speaker 5: So understanding the why can be really important. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that was a terrible case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the girl, she was nine years older, name was
Speaker 2: Jenny dimm in Florence, and this happened just last week.
Speaker 2: And he had about three thousand people looking for at
Speaker 2: any one time when she lost and then they found
Speaker 2: her in a pond. And man, we've got ponds all
Speaker 2: over so we've got, you know, the ninth one passing
Speaker 2: away this time last year at eight dead, six from drowning.
Speaker 2: It's just something about that attracts them to the water.
Speaker 2: The child, the four year old in Deerfield Township. He
Speaker 2: was not autistic, as I just saw so that. But again,
Speaker 2: you know, kids near water very very dangerous, specially autistic kids,
Speaker 2: or something about the water that attracts them, And I
Speaker 2: think it just goes to show you how little we
Speaker 2: understand still despite awareness. I've seen autism stickers, I volunteer
Speaker 2: for autism events, and I understand the spectrum. But I
Speaker 2: think outside, unless there's someone you know who's directly impacted
Speaker 2: or suffers from autism, we kind of go, yeah, autism,
Speaker 2: but we don't know what it all means. Because now
Speaker 2: one in thirty six kids are diagnosed with this, and
Speaker 2: this seems to me to be it's getting worse, it's
Speaker 2: not better, despite all the attention paid to it.
Speaker 5: I think you could say it's getting worse. And I
Speaker 5: think there's some disagreement in the autistic community about whether
Speaker 5: it's getting worse or whether the diagnosis is becoming much
Speaker 5: more specific. So, you know, things that we used to
Speaker 5: not understand as being part of the autistic spectrum maybe
Speaker 5: are now part of the autistic spectrum. So children and adults,
Speaker 5: because one in forty five adults is diagnosed with autism,
Speaker 5: Children and adults who might not have previously been diagnosed
Speaker 5: because we didn't understand the whole range of symptoms that
Speaker 5: go into this spectrum. Now is that continues to expand.
Speaker 5: More and more people are finding themselves on the spectrum
Speaker 5: as a result of that. So it may be that
Speaker 5: it's becoming more prevalent. It may also be that our
Speaker 5: diagnostic criteria and our diagnostic skills are getting more sophisticated
Speaker 5: and we're able to catch more people who find themselves
Speaker 5: on the spectrum.
Speaker 2: And that's usually the case. It gets more granular and
Speaker 2: therefore identifying it more. And so what you though, they're
Speaker 2: here from people who are older. Usually that not always,
Speaker 2: but usually older folks are like, well, back in my day,
Speaker 2: we never had this. It's all made up because your
Speaker 2: kid is acting the full and now we claim it's
Speaker 2: a it's a disease and disorder and not an issue
Speaker 2: of punishment and accountability, which could be further from the truth.
Speaker 2: But that I think that still exists.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it is definitely a neurodivergence. Is it is
Speaker 5: a brain difference, which is what neurodivergence means, like ADHD is,
Speaker 5: like dyslexia is like this calculia is I call dyslexia
Speaker 5: for numbers and that's.
Speaker 3: What I have.
Speaker 5: I had this calculia. But it's these differences in the
Speaker 5: way our brains work, and the more sophisticated or diagnostic
Speaker 5: systems have become functional in oriyes, for example, the more
Speaker 5: we're able to see the way people's brains operate differently
Speaker 5: under different circumstances, and so we're finding more understanding and
Speaker 5: more nuanced understanding of what we used to just think
Speaker 5: of as the kids in the slow class, for example,
Speaker 5: or the kids who weren't school appropriate so they were
Speaker 5: homeschooled or kept at home. And in the early days,
Speaker 5: children with autism were often institutionalized because their behaviors were
Speaker 5: so problematic it was difficult for families and parents to
Speaker 5: take care of them, and so it Yes, older people
Speaker 5: take a look at it and say, we didn't have
Speaker 5: that in my day, and answers, well, we did, absolutely
Speaker 5: you did. It's just that they didn't mainstream into society
Speaker 5: in the same way that we have been made streaming
Speaker 5: children with learning disabilities and developmental disabilities for the last
Speaker 5: two or three decades.
Speaker 2: At least, we just got the hell bait of us.
Speaker 2: Back then, they hitch a harder right to smack.
Speaker 3: That it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the way it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: Children with ADHD misunderstood, punished, called lazy, called stupid. Now
Speaker 5: we understand their brains operate differently, and we need to
Speaker 5: approach them differently. Autism is similar. Children with autism where
Speaker 5: the weird kid, the quirky kid, the kid who went
Speaker 5: to the special school. Now often we understand more about it,
Speaker 5: and we can help them learn in the way that
Speaker 5: best suits them and help them maximize their potential, whatever
Speaker 5: that might be, whether that's really high or somewhat lower
Speaker 5: in need of support. Still, we can help children and
Speaker 5: adults live better lives and maximize their potentially.
Speaker 2: I still do have the numbers dyslexia, for example.
Speaker 5: And yeah, just calculia that I got the hell be it.
Speaker 2: Out of me for years. I'm really good at reading
Speaker 2: and but my verbal all those sins are off the charts.
Speaker 2: And then the math was just terrible and I couldn't
Speaker 2: do it. So I did not know that it was
Speaker 2: a bonafide condition until today. Am I Todd the money
Speaker 2: compensation a better parking spot? Can I get something for
Speaker 2: this disability?
Speaker 5: You're you're entitled to And I'm sorry from every math teacher.
Speaker 2: You ever had, Yeah, yeah, used to shame you.
Speaker 5: I think if that was true, because I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did the math teaching I had.
Speaker 5: For being like you, really bright in some areas and
Speaker 5: could not do my multiplication people when everybody else should.
Speaker 2: Rattle them to have a beer multiplication and I could
Speaker 2: not memorize any of it.
Speaker 5: I could not do them, could not do them.
Speaker 2: My aunt bought me this, this device. It was like
Speaker 2: a big I don't know, slider board, you know, and
Speaker 2: it's like kind of like the flash cards, and it
Speaker 2: was a hard and you sit and do it by
Speaker 2: yourself and go, okay, eight times eight. For some reason
Speaker 2: this day like numbers like eight times six, nine times six.
Speaker 2: I still have to count of my fingers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 5: I have workarounds too. And you remember in math class
Speaker 5: when they said you have to know this. You have
Speaker 5: to know this because you're never going to walk around
Speaker 5: with a calculator in your pocket. And now don't we
Speaker 5: just walk around with calculators in our pockets.
Speaker 2: I always believe in technology. I said to listen, you
Speaker 2: know what, if enough of us, if none of us
Speaker 2: get fat enough, they'll come up with a pill which
Speaker 2: just takes the weight off and look where we are,
Speaker 2: Look where we are, look where we are.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So, but back to autism, Julie, that's the thing is
Speaker 2: we have this. You know, the spectrums really wide. We're
Speaker 2: not quite true like my son experienced young ADHD and
Speaker 2: all that, and you kind of grow out of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, if you're you can do that.
Speaker 2: But later in life our horses severe.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, not necessarily. As you grow. Oftentimes if you're
Speaker 5: if you're pretty well functioning, you can develop workarounds. Yes,
Speaker 5: So for example, you and I didn't outgrow are just calculia.
Speaker 5: We just developed workarounds, including but not limited to a calculator.
Speaker 5: But I can do math in my head pretty well
Speaker 5: because I've worked out a system that makes sense for me,
Speaker 5: which is not the way I was taught. People who
Speaker 5: are dyslexic, they don't outgrow dyslexia. They learn a system
Speaker 5: for looking at words and looking at sentences and making
Speaker 5: sense of them. So as people grow into their autistic diagnosis,
Speaker 5: as they grow and change, their strengths may change, their
Speaker 5: challenges may change. They may put themselves or find themselves
Speaker 5: in environments that work with their strengths and compensate for
Speaker 5: their challenges, or the opposite may be true. They may
Speaker 5: find themselves in environments where it really doesn't work with
Speaker 5: their strengths and it really exacerbates their challenges and so
Speaker 5: they appear less functional. Then they might be in a
Speaker 5: different kind of environment. So it isn't necessarily the grow it.
Speaker 5: It's that you can develop skill sets to work around
Speaker 5: and you can often organize your environment so that it
Speaker 5: benefits you more than is detrimental to you.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're talking about autism with Julie Harrisher this morning.
Speaker 2: It's mental health money in the Scots Launch show. Tragically,
Speaker 2: a nine year old girl died just last week. Another
Speaker 2: autistic kid finding water and water is that it's a
Speaker 2: calling for them and a lot of us still don't
Speaker 2: understand what autism means. I think the most common example
Speaker 2: is you're at the store, I don't know, you're at
Speaker 2: your target and child screaming and have an absolute meltdown
Speaker 2: and bystanders immediately assume bad parenting. So what is happening
Speaker 2: neurologically at that moment? Also, as a innocent binder share stranger,
Speaker 2: what should we do or not do when you witness something.
Speaker 5: Like that, well, I think the first thing not to
Speaker 5: do is shame the parents or the caregivers or look
Speaker 5: askance at the child, because clearly the child is overwhelmed.
Speaker 5: Whenever any child has a meltdown, whether they're autistic or not,
Speaker 5: their environment has outstripped their coping skills. That's what that
Speaker 5: means is they are sensorially overloaded in their environment and
Speaker 5: what it's asking of them has outstripped their coping skills.
Speaker 5: Autistic children, that happens more frequently and more easily than
Speaker 5: neurotypical children of the same age. And so you may
Speaker 5: see an autistic child who is old or than you
Speaker 5: would expect a temper tantrum from. If you see a
Speaker 5: two year old throwing a tantrum, you're kind of like, well,
Speaker 5: there too. If you see a twelve year old throwing
Speaker 5: a tantrum, your first thought is why can't they behave
Speaker 5: like a twelve year old. But for many autistic children,
Speaker 5: an environment like target will weigh overstimulate them, and what
Speaker 5: they have to do to manage that overstimulation outstrips their
Speaker 5: coping skills at that moment in time, and they don't
Speaker 5: sometimes have the ability to describe what's going on in
Speaker 5: words which a neurotypical twelve year old would and so
Speaker 5: they tell you in whatever way they need to tell
Speaker 5: you that they have had enough, and that is essentially
Speaker 5: what's going on. One of the hallmark characteristics of oxism
Speaker 5: is they have a very difficult time with speech and
Speaker 5: nonverbal communication. Not that they are not that many of
Speaker 5: them can't speak all those some can't, but understanding what
Speaker 5: the words mean, the nonverbal cues that you need to
Speaker 5: pick up on and that they need to pick up
Speaker 5: on in communication communication is a challenge. And the more
Speaker 5: overwhelmed and over stimulated they get, the more that becomes challenging.
Speaker 5: So the higher there's stimulation level goes, the lower their
Speaker 5: ability to describe what's going on goes, and the lower
Speaker 5: their ability to seek relief in more what we might
Speaker 5: consider age appropriate ways.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Yeah, And it seems to me like the way
Speaker 2: it's described, and I get it is you know someone
Speaker 2: with ADHD, for example, and we all to some degree suffer.
Speaker 2: But if you're sitting in roomy avig like I do,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm talking to you, but I can hear
Speaker 2: somebody out in the hallway. I just walk. Somebody watch
Speaker 2: past I've got I'm watching. I've got Fox News here,
Speaker 2: They're CNN over there, I've got Sports Center over here.
Speaker 2: The one light is flickering right now, but everything is
Speaker 2: pushed up to eleven, like they're all competing for the
Speaker 2: same thing. So the thoughts in your head it's but
Speaker 2: if you're a child, you have no way to deal
Speaker 2: with that, and so you get the sensory overload. It's site, sounds, smells,
Speaker 2: all perceptions and if everything is pushed up as far
Speaker 2: as it will go, it's all cumminated. You there's no
Speaker 2: way to sort them. More people who can balance things
Speaker 2: out and go okay, to focus on this, If the
Speaker 2: more on the spectrum you are, the harder, that is exactly.
Speaker 5: And also if you're more on the spectrum, the more
Speaker 5: sensitive you are to that. Often people with autism are
Speaker 5: often more highly sensitive to sound and temperature and light
Speaker 5: and plantation touch than those who are not on the spectrum.
Speaker 5: So take a normal environment that might overstimulate a normal
Speaker 5: neurotypical person someone with autism who is highly sensitive to
Speaker 5: that anyway, it's off the charts stimulating. Then you factor
Speaker 5: in the language challenges that often come along with that diagnosis,
Speaker 5: and they can't talk about it, they can't tell you
Speaker 5: what's going on, and they may not even have the
Speaker 5: ability to make sense of it in their own head.
Speaker 5: And so oftentimes what they do is they want to
Speaker 5: get away. They have a meltdown, or they want to
Speaker 5: get away, which is where the elopement comes in. They
Speaker 5: frequently are trying to get away situations that are overstimulating
Speaker 5: to them, that are frightening, too much, overwhelming, over stimulating, unfamiliar.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they're trying to get away anywhere. Sometimes they're trying
Speaker 5: to get back to someplace that.
Speaker 3: Is familiar to them.
Speaker 5: I'm going to leave here and I'm going to go
Speaker 5: someplace that is familiar to me. But they're not always
Speaker 5: necessarily aware where that is. Water is a calming, soothing presence.
Speaker 5: It's also pretty. I mean, sun light on water is
Speaker 5: one of the prettiest yeah nights out there, so that
Speaker 5: can be a draw. So it really is about overwhelmed
Speaker 5: coping mechanisms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's part of our DNA. It's part mean.
Speaker 2: Water is calming, it's relaxing. You take a bath, you know,
Speaker 2: generally kids like to swim, and that explains maybe explains
Speaker 2: why we have had nine deaths, including one last week.
Speaker 2: Talking to Julie Hatter Share our license mouth health expert
Speaker 2: about autism and and that and that tragedy kids are
Speaker 2: loping and finding water and dying. It doesn't mean the
Speaker 2: kids are dumb either, And I think that comes out
Speaker 2: as well as like, well, you don't speak, you must
Speaker 2: be You know, we used to call people who weren't
Speaker 2: able to speak dumb. I mean that was literally what
Speaker 2: we called them back in the long time ago anyway,
Speaker 2: But now we're learning about more about this. So you
Speaker 2: see this in public, you don't want to react, You
Speaker 2: don't want to intervene. Is there something? I mean, when
Speaker 2: a kid's having a tantrum, you just kind of what
Speaker 2: do you do? Do you just let them finish it out?
Speaker 2: Do you hug them? How do you deal with that?
Speaker 5: Well, if you're the caregiver, I'm sure you have your
Speaker 5: own skills and coping mechanisms for your own child or
Speaker 5: the child you're taking care of. So I would hesitate
Speaker 5: to prescribe anything for someone who's taking care of a
Speaker 5: child with autism, because they probably know what to do.
Speaker 5: But for those of us who are the bystanders. The
Speaker 5: thing to do is just give them some peace, walk
Speaker 5: on by, let the caregiver take care of it, don't intervene.
Speaker 5: And for the please don't shame or scowl at or
Speaker 5: mutter about the kid who can't control and the parent
Speaker 5: who can't control the kid. They are out of control literally,
Speaker 5: so they need to get regulated. They're so regulated to
Speaker 5: that point in time, in our judgment, does not help
Speaker 5: the situation, either for the child or the people with
Speaker 5: the child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine the caregiver having to do that on a
Speaker 2: daily basis, right, It's like, yeah, I get it, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's the lot they're being allowed. It's it's
Speaker 2: not about your needs right now. And it's unfortunate because
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're waiting to get on a plane,
Speaker 2: let's say, and waiting in a twenty hour line of TSA,
Speaker 2: that's where the child's gonna have a meltdown. And so
Speaker 2: you know, we kind of all got to do it.
Speaker 5: That's that's where a competent adult is going to have
Speaker 5: a meltdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might have a melt out right right right exactly.
Speaker 2: She is at Hey, Julie at bconnected dot Care Practice
Speaker 2: out of Clifton. If you any questions, concerns, or if
Speaker 2: you have an idea for a future segment, let us know. Julie,
Speaker 2: we'll talk next Monday. Have a great one. Thanks you too,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll do news on the way in just
Speaker 2: minutes here and if you're using a public parking app
Speaker 2: you could be getting ripped off. It's not quite here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, but it's coming just ahead. Seven hundred WW.
Speaker 2: Do you want to be an America? Slowly?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: This is seven hundred WLW, So rewinding a little bit,
Speaker 2: we'll play it back. The last week Supreme Court of
Speaker 2: Ohio did not act a judging Franklin Connie denied a
Speaker 2: temporary restraining order and it all died on the vine.
Speaker 2: And by the start of March Madness officially the start
Speaker 2: of all the tournaments. THT beverages are banned in Ohio
Speaker 2: bars and breweries, and Cincinnati's Fifty West and many other
Speaker 2: businesses were left kind of holding the bag on it.
Speaker 2: Joining the show this morning for a little recap and
Speaker 2: where it goes next as Bobby Slattery, he is the
Speaker 2: founder of Fifty West Brewing. Welcome, how are you rety?
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Supreme Court didn't act and the tro
Speaker 2: was denied and the band is effect. How many people
Speaker 2: showed up and maybe not aware of this and come
Speaker 2: to fifty West in one of your locations and said, hey, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want one of those THHG and fused beverages. Were
Speaker 2: people kind of caught off guard by this?
Speaker 7: Well, I don't even know if we want to talk
Speaker 7: about people that showed up unexpected, I think more we
Speaker 7: can speak to the people that showed up the last
Speaker 7: day it was available, Okay, I mean, Sonny, there was
Speaker 7: we had.
Speaker 1: We had people coming in and out of the place NonStop.
Speaker 7: We obviously had the customers reach out the day after
Speaker 7: and go, oh shoot, I missed I missed the boat.
Speaker 7: Now I can't buy this stuff in Ohio? What am
Speaker 7: I supposed to do? But the support for these products
Speaker 7: have been it's been overwhelming. I mean, I never it's
Speaker 7: honestly been kind of fun to just fun to watch
Speaker 7: it from as an outsider. Right, it feels like a
Speaker 7: real movement happening in the state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's sad that we just killed us on
Speaker 2: the whim of the governor. I will point out You
Speaker 2: had a great post on social said, yeah, we we
Speaker 2: were taking four semi our tractor tows, four semi loads
Speaker 2: of the product of the thh and fused drinks and
Speaker 2: we're taking them down to Kentucky where it's perfectly legal.
Speaker 2: What kind of messages that's a not but that you're doing,
Speaker 2: but by the state of Ohio. And let me particular,
Speaker 2: Governor de Wine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean from us, let's talk about like, why
Speaker 7: does this matter to me? And why do I care
Speaker 7: so much? It's about jobs at my at my company.
Speaker 7: It's about people that work for us and not you know,
Speaker 7: we ship that stuff into Kentucky. That's great, that was
Speaker 7: stuff we made, but we're not allowed to make it anymore.
Speaker 7: And we got people that work in our business, great
Speaker 7: people that have done great work to create something that
Speaker 7: the people in Ohio care about. And now, I mean,
Speaker 7: they don't really have anything to do, right, so we
Speaker 7: have to sit here and say, oh, well, if you
Speaker 7: don't have anything to do, well, then what's our next step?
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 7: And so that's that's what stinks. It's you know, what,
Speaker 7: you want me to pick my pickup or manufacturing and
Speaker 7: move into Kentucky. It's it's right like that's that's where
Speaker 7: it gets a little bit difficult. So we're working through
Speaker 7: that right now. I would say this fight's not over.
Speaker 7: I think it's gonna get really interesting here in the
Speaker 7: next week. If this was a football game here, you know,
Speaker 7: we're we're under two minutes.
Speaker 1: I do see a way to score.
Speaker 2: You see a path I want to get in that
Speaker 2: just a second. But I got the opinion of Scottie
Speaker 2: Hunter was on a couple of times with me from
Speaker 2: our urban artifact. You guys are enjoined in the suit
Speaker 2: with two other manufacturers and it didn't go anywhere. Have
Speaker 2: you ever gotten to your satisfaction as someone who brings
Speaker 2: money into the state of Ohio, you know, you generate
Speaker 2: a lot of tax revenue for the state and the
Speaker 2: locom news spills. Have you ever got an answer to
Speaker 2: your satisfaction as to why Mike the Wine struck down
Speaker 2: the THT beverage issue And it was a line eight
Speaker 2: in veto is a what it was? Because the initial
Speaker 2: bill looked pretty good, you said yourself, Yeah, the fifty
Speaker 2: six was great, as best as we could do. There's
Speaker 2: some really positive things in there. But Mike de Wine
Speaker 2: came along with the power of his pen and completely
Speaker 2: struck that out, and the legislature and the courts backed
Speaker 2: them up. Did you ever get an answer as to
Speaker 2: what the issue is.
Speaker 1: Well, let's go a.
Speaker 7: Little bit back on that. I mean, fifty six was
Speaker 7: not good when it started, and we still it wasn't
Speaker 7: and we worked to get it there. And kudos to
Speaker 7: our General Assembly. They did a great job right in
Speaker 7: that bill. I mean we were asking to go probably
Speaker 7: seventy miles an hour, and they told us we could
Speaker 7: go sixty five. So, like obviously there were certain things
Speaker 7: in there we wanted a little bit, a little bit more,
Speaker 7: but overall was a great bill, and there was a
Speaker 7: lot of conversations with people that took the time to
Speaker 7: understand it, those that drank them and those that didn't
Speaker 7: drink them. I think the part from the governor's side is,
Speaker 7: I don't know how involved we never felt, like, you know,
Speaker 7: the governor was very involved in learning about this process
Speaker 7: or trying to understand it or understand where the bill
Speaker 7: was coming from. So when he made the decision on
Speaker 7: behalf of the little hiot winds by just taking his
Speaker 7: pen and crossing out fifteen lines of law, that was
Speaker 7: written in by you know, the people we elected. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it. That's a hard one. That's a hard one
Speaker 7: to understand it. And nobody's really clear why. And I
Speaker 7: think that's that's that's the that's the harder part is
Speaker 7: is we don't really have a clear explanation.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's the frustrating. Give me a reason why,
Speaker 2: and you're thinking and and it tends me because I
Speaker 2: know Mike do Wan. I have talked to him many
Speaker 2: times and seems like a you know, a guy who's
Speaker 2: a little bit more moderate, willing to listen, but in
Speaker 2: this case, his mind and his mind's been made it
Speaker 2: for years. I remember when hell I was on at night,
Speaker 2: I'd have him on as Attorney General when he was
Speaker 2: Attorney general, and he's just got this thing about marijuana.
Speaker 2: You're not going to change a man's mind. But it's
Speaker 2: unfortunate that one person has that kind of power because
Speaker 2: this means a whole bunch of jobs have been lost
Speaker 2: and and for some companies I may have to shut
Speaker 2: down entirely because the growth of Tha beverages was exceeding
Speaker 2: and offsetting the loss and craft beer. Do you find
Speaker 2: that to be true? At fifty West.
Speaker 7: Oh I mean we were our production. I've been put
Speaker 7: into perspective. You know, we would have manufactured more THHC
Speaker 7: beverages this year than we would craft beer. And we're
Speaker 7: the probably between the third and fifth largest brewer in Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: I mean that it's a major, major driver. And the
Speaker 7: other breweries throughout the state or feeling the same thing.
Speaker 7: It was an opportunity that was taken away. That is
Speaker 7: gonna affect jobs, it is going to affect revenue from
Speaker 7: the state, and yeah, it's it's very confusing, and yeah,
Speaker 7: I guess we just we got we're working on.
Speaker 1: There is a path here, Okay, there is There is.
Speaker 2: The ability to overturn this, all right, So let's get
Speaker 2: into that. I just had Friday, and I've had them
Speaker 2: many times. Of course. The author of fifty six Senate
Speaker 2: Bill fifty six Steve Huffman from Tip City, and he
Speaker 2: was a little bit more optimistic as well, from a
Speaker 2: legislative standpoint, but from a business owner who's really, you know,
Speaker 2: face it right now, having to get rid of all
Speaker 2: this product you can't manufacture at more in the state
Speaker 2: of Ohio. Where do you see the optimism here? Give
Speaker 2: me a glass half full stuff. I'm gonna put some
Speaker 2: pressure on Steve here. So Steve wrote the bill.
Speaker 7: There are the votes in the House right now to
Speaker 7: overturn this, it has to be brought by the Speaker,
Speaker 7: Matt Huffman. Matt doesn't have the opportunity to bring it
Speaker 7: until the Senate votes on it. And it's pretty apparent
Speaker 7: that there's also the votes in the Senate. We've talked
Speaker 7: to Steve several times. His initial concern was there weren't
Speaker 7: the votes in the House. Then the vote in the
Speaker 7: House showed up. Now we said, Steve, the votes in
Speaker 7: the House are there, bring this up to the Senate.
Speaker 7: Let's get it done it And now Steve's saying, well,
Speaker 7: we'd have to write some different laws.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we can get this through.
Speaker 7: So what we got to figure out is how do
Speaker 7: we put the pressure on our Senate president and our
Speaker 7: Speaker of the House to bring this to vote.
Speaker 1: Because if they bring it to.
Speaker 7: Vote, the votes exist within the people that we elected
Speaker 7: overturn this. And I've heard that directly from them. We
Speaker 7: are we know it's there. So our question right now is, hey,
Speaker 7: let's bring.
Speaker 3: It to a vote.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you bring it to vote and they
Speaker 7: vote it down. Great, But why are we not bringing
Speaker 7: this to vote is the real question right now. And
Speaker 7: Steve has a lot of power because he wrote the bill.
Speaker 7: We're a little confused why he keeps flopping on you
Speaker 7: know the reason we're not bringing it to vote?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know the Attorney General is involve The
Speaker 2: AG's office was involved in this as well, and trying
Speaker 2: to get a file a response I think to the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court case as well. I think the concern is
Speaker 2: from maybe not Steve, and I don't want to put
Speaker 2: words in his mouth, but the concern was that, Okay,
Speaker 2: the governor's override didn't take back for ninety days, so
Speaker 2: you shut down. They should be shut down on March nineteenth,
Speaker 2: and then it can reopen if they were the case
Speaker 2: June tenth, but then you'd have to shut down back
Speaker 2: in November when the federal law kicks in. I wonder
Speaker 2: how many lawmakers are like, well, it's a moot point anyway,
Speaker 2: because you're going to reopen just to shut down when
Speaker 2: the federal law kicks in.
Speaker 7: Well, but you're having the same fight federally, and we
Speaker 7: anticipate that that's going to get extended. If you look
Speaker 7: at the bill that they wrote, they clearly documented in
Speaker 7: that bill guidelines for for when it reopens. So in
Speaker 7: the in the meantime, why are you shutting out all
Speaker 7: the businesses in Ohio and giving us an opportunity? Right,
Speaker 7: you're just behind well, I mean you shut our manufacturing down.
Speaker 7: Why did you shut our manufacturing down? If that's the case,
Speaker 7: let us open our manufacturing back up. Uh, you're you're
Speaker 7: you're putting us behind everybody else. And and this is
Speaker 7: not something that that takes someone to reopen. I mean
Speaker 7: that they their their concern has to do with the
Speaker 7: guidelines that that are put into place, that that's going
Speaker 7: to be governed by the Director of Cannabis Control. We've
Speaker 7: been we've been monitored by the Department of Agriculture, and
Speaker 7: all of the demands from the Department of Control that
Speaker 7: they were asking, all of those demands were being met
Speaker 7: by the Department Agriculture. So just take take the guidelines
Speaker 7: that they were using and apply it and have cannabis
Speaker 7: control hands.
Speaker 2: Well, that would make sense, Bobby, that's the problem. That's
Speaker 2: the same that you and me and someone listening go, well,
Speaker 2: that's a sensible thing. Let's just wait to see what
Speaker 2: the Feds do. And you know, is is ten months
Speaker 2: really going to be that big a deal? Probably not.
Speaker 2: But Bobby's ladders here. He's the founder of fifty West Brewing,
Speaker 2: you know, talking about the fallout from the THC Beverage
Speaker 2: band which he had. Of course, all these business is
Speaker 2: really hard because we had March Madness. The bars were packed.
Speaker 2: People want to watch basketball and enjoy t TCH beverage
Speaker 2: is the fastest growing consumer drink segment there when it
Speaker 2: comes to intoxicating beverages not alcohol. But have to drive
Speaker 2: THC and we can't sell in Ohio, but other states can't.
Speaker 2: How many other states, by the way, besides Kentucky can
Speaker 2: can sell this legally.
Speaker 7: I mean it's federally legal. So there's a few that don't.
Speaker 7: California doesn't. A lot of times in the states that
Speaker 7: that don't allow. It has to do with marijuana's blocking
Speaker 7: on gotcha. So but you know, I would say it's
Speaker 7: it's probably it's great. It's greater than half the states
Speaker 7: in the United States.
Speaker 2: We don't want any parties we want we're Ohio and
Speaker 2: we want no part of it.
Speaker 1: Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, everybody bordering us.
Speaker 3: Right, you're good, you can over there.
Speaker 2: So if you live in Cincinnati, if you live in Toledo,
Speaker 2: you go ahead, drive over the border, have some drink.
Speaker 2: You can drink and drive more. Presumably that's not a
Speaker 2: problem with the THC beverage. That that's a problem right there.
Speaker 2: All right, So the fast track here then is what
Speaker 2: so give me, give me like the sunshine. This goes
Speaker 2: on and eventually the federal government comes to their senses.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much sense they have with the
Speaker 2: shutdowns and everything else. But let's say presumably they have
Speaker 2: some sense, Bobby Slattery, and they go, okay, you know what,
Speaker 2: You're right. The TCH beverages, they're fine. People want it.
Speaker 2: It's a growing sector. No one's dying, you know, no
Speaker 2: one's passing out. It's not like, you know, they're poison
Speaker 2: that we're selling or something like that. It's regulated. All
Speaker 2: is good, that's the hope. Anyway, give me some odds
Speaker 2: on this thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm I'm not an odds maker. What I
Speaker 7: can tell you is there is there is a real
Speaker 7: will amongst the people that have There's a lot of
Speaker 7: people out there that stop drinking alcohol, that turn to
Speaker 7: these as sort of an alternative, kind of a step
Speaker 7: between an na beverage and drinking alcohol.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they really care.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of people that care about the fundamentals
Speaker 7: of how me to override you have that. And I
Speaker 7: would tell you there's a lot of businesses out there
Speaker 7: that the worst thing and I'm going to steal some
Speaker 7: words out of out of the you know, the founder
Speaker 7: of Jackie O's art O Strike, he said this, you
Speaker 7: know the other day, but the worst thing you have
Speaker 7: to do as a business owner is light people off.
Speaker 2: It's it's literally horrible.
Speaker 7: You don't want to have to do that, right, So
Speaker 7: all of us are now faced with that, we're being
Speaker 7: faced with that.
Speaker 1: And when you face people with that, they're gonna fight.
Speaker 3: We're not.
Speaker 7: This is this is, this is not you know, they
Speaker 7: got us, they got us pinned up against the wall.
Speaker 7: They you know, they got our hands against our throat.
Speaker 7: We're going to fight back. And so I think you're
Speaker 7: gonna see that from all these businesses coming up, and
Speaker 7: you're gonna see the people that are disappointed with their drinks.
Speaker 7: And I think in the next week, you know, you're
Speaker 7: that pressure is going to get applied to you know,
Speaker 7: our our politicians to say, hey, this is really going
Speaker 7: to affect people in Ohio, and our hope is is
Speaker 7: that let's just bring it to vote. Let's bring bring it,
Speaker 7: bring it to vote in the House of the Senate
Speaker 7: for an overturn. They spent, they wrote a great bill.
Speaker 7: The governor fundamentally changed their bill. You know, do they
Speaker 7: have the will to to to come back and say, hey, no,
Speaker 7: that that's not what we wanted. So that's our hope,
Speaker 7: that's what we're going to be fighting for, and I
Speaker 7: think it's going to be a fun couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, you also have eight months to convince the federal representatives,
Speaker 2: Senate and the members of the House that this is
Speaker 2: a good thing people wanted, they consume it, and and
Speaker 2: you've got time to fight that. I think the problem
Speaker 2: with you guys was you had this petition drive, but
Speaker 2: you didn't have that long to get the necessary signatures
Speaker 2: to send this to the AG's office. So it failed
Speaker 2: simply because I think the clock ran out and you
Speaker 2: had all those weeks and weeks and weeks of very
Speaker 2: cold weather, so people aren't going out to begin with.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, that's also the referendums was a little
Speaker 7: bit of a different you know. That was that was
Speaker 7: suggesting the market completely open. Back in the time, you know,
Speaker 7: no age gating.
Speaker 1: No, they were saying, hey, throw Central fifty six out.
Speaker 7: I think we liked Centel fifty six here in Ohio,
Speaker 7: and we're in favor of it, you know, the beverage
Speaker 7: manufacturers are. And so that's why the referendum was a
Speaker 7: little tricky. That was another piece to it. That that
Speaker 7: that hurt with getting signatures was just that, you know,
Speaker 7: it was It wasn't all orenough scenario. What we're saying is,
Speaker 7: let's stick with the rules and regulations that are you know,
Speaker 7: we want to regulated market.
Speaker 1: He wrote a regulated market. Let's let's abide by it.
Speaker 7: But let's abide by the one that was sent to
Speaker 7: the governor, not the one that he's made the decision on.
Speaker 2: The in eight months, so let me ask you, we're
Speaker 2: almost out of time here, Bobby. In eight months, though,
Speaker 2: can you flip a switch and start if the Feds
Speaker 2: are legalized you or say it's okay, can you just
Speaker 2: flip a switch and start production. Ramp that up, and
Speaker 2: in the next eight months roughly what happens are those jobs.
Speaker 1: No, if the Fed, you know, change the thing November.
Speaker 1: It's illegal in Ohio.
Speaker 3: It's this is legal federally.
Speaker 2: Right now, isn't. And that's the FED to say, put
Speaker 2: their foot there.
Speaker 7: Governor Dwan has decided to make it illegal in Ohio.
Speaker 7: So and if and you know, we're working on the
Speaker 7: federal front right now. I'm not coming from a lot
Speaker 7: of different states to change that. And so that's going
Speaker 7: to get changed. But Ohio is going to be good
Speaker 7: because our governor, you know, changed it. So that's that's
Speaker 7: where we're staying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got to lean on him more. I
Speaker 2: get the nuance there. I just wonder how many jobs
Speaker 2: are going to be lost because you can't keep people
Speaker 2: on who aren't producing what they were hired doing for long.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you can't sit around for eight months. So I
Speaker 7: think that that that's that's why we're asking. We're looking
Speaker 7: at you. I gotcha the Speaker of the House and
Speaker 7: the Senate President to say, hey, guys, you know, let's
Speaker 7: let's let's put the bill for it that you guys
Speaker 7: voting on and sent it.
Speaker 2: I can't say I like THC, but not in the
Speaker 2: liquid form. It's fine. It's okay. I'd rather have a
Speaker 2: beer or a bourbon. That's my thing. But you know
Speaker 2: what I hate when government oversteps and tells otherwise hardworking,
Speaker 2: god fearing, tax paying good citizens what they can and
Speaker 2: can't drink or put in their body. It's not up
Speaker 2: to you, it's up to me. Provided there's testing, provided
Speaker 2: there's health department oversight, and those other things that need
Speaker 2: to be regulated but not banned. That's an entirely different thing.
Speaker 2: Bobby Slattery, thanks for the time over at fifty West, brother,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you the best. Yeah, keep me in the
Speaker 2: loop on us. I want to keep fighting this one
Speaker 2: for sure. All right, takes coming, gotcha, take care of
Speaker 2: my man. I got to get a news update in
Speaker 2: here next and then we'll talk Red's baseball ahead on
Speaker 2: seven hundred W Scott Some show Monday morning, seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: And we do this every Monday during Red Sea and
Speaker 2: that would be our buddy Jeff Carr with Locked on Reds.
Speaker 2: The Reds break camp tomorrow before heading back home for
Speaker 2: opening Day. And camp is not the only thing broken.
Speaker 2: We had this just glod of pitchers and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, now it's pretty thin Jeff, welcome back.
Speaker 3: How we doing, Sony? The Reds always test their depths.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how much they've got of it, they
Speaker 3: use it all baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before the season even starts. So Nick Lidolo is pitching,
Speaker 2: everything's going good, and then all of a sudden, it's not.
Speaker 2: Now We've got a second pitcher down with a blister.
Speaker 2: And it's nothing new. He's battlest his entire career. He
Speaker 2: said this spring he was taking some preventative measures. But
Speaker 2: you know, if those measures don't hold the March game,
Speaker 2: what are the realistic options for the Reds to manage
Speaker 2: this through one hundred and sixty two games.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think that there is a special circumstance
Speaker 3: with this because Arizona was something close to Mercury as
Speaker 3: far as the temperature goes. This past week, they were
Speaker 3: moving games around, pushing huntil later in the day, and
Speaker 3: so I think that there was just something to it
Speaker 3: that pushing too hard, too fast, or something like that.
Speaker 3: But still, you're right, we're talking about a guy that
Speaker 3: there's been one problem in his career and he continues
Speaker 3: to face that one problem. Begin news is that all
Speaker 3: reports indicate that they caught it before it got too bad.
Speaker 3: It did not rip on its own. They were able
Speaker 3: to treat it and all that other stuff after the
Speaker 3: game was over. And so that's exactly what happened with
Speaker 3: Brady Singer, and all reports indicate that he is not
Speaker 3: going to miss any time he's supposed to make his
Speaker 3: first start. Brady Singer is for the third game of
Speaker 3: the season. I am hopeful that that's what we hear
Speaker 3: with Nicolodolo, although we know that we're talking about two
Speaker 3: different pictures when it comes to blusters in this case.
Speaker 3: But I still think that they caught this early enough.
Speaker 3: And I think that the body language of Nickelodola was key.
Speaker 3: Whenever he was coming off the mound, you could see
Speaker 3: that he was mad. He wasn't dejected or depressed or drained.
Speaker 3: It was that he was angry, almost as if it's
Speaker 3: like here we go again. But I don't think that
Speaker 3: this is the case of like, Okay, he's gonna miss
Speaker 3: twenty three days like he did with his last blister
Speaker 3: issue last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we know this is a pattern for him.
Speaker 2: And the question now is just a skip a star situation?
Speaker 2: What are we talking an idea?
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately they probably will simply because there's
Speaker 3: not one more tune up that they can play with,
Speaker 3: and maybe they give him an extra bullpen session or
Speaker 3: something like that on the side here to make sure
Speaker 3: that everything holds up in normal weather for this time
Speaker 3: of year, for the place that he is used to
Speaker 3: being at, rather than you know, arid, dry condition. So
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately they probably will skip that first
Speaker 3: start against Boston and then we'll see him when the
Speaker 3: Red's hit the road.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that makes sense. So he misses a little time.
Speaker 2: Who steps in Louder Burns, Williamson, what are we looking at?
Speaker 3: I think it probably just kind of crunch this rotation up.
Speaker 3: I think that you would be fine to move Brady
Speaker 3: Singer into the second game of the Boston Red Sox series,
Speaker 3: and then you would see redt Louder in the final
Speaker 3: game on Sunday and then on Pittsburgh. I wonder a
Speaker 3: little bit because they'll add that bullpen spot or well,
Speaker 3: they won't put him on the IL, I don't think,
Speaker 3: because he'd only miss one start, but well, you know,
Speaker 3: so they would play around with the roster a little bit.
Speaker 3: Then you might have that extra bullpen guy, and so
Speaker 3: you might see Chase Burns start but only throw three
Speaker 3: or four innings against the Pirates in the fifth game
Speaker 3: of the year.
Speaker 2: Yea, and Tito said already that we'd be revisiting that
Speaker 2: situation within a couple of weeks, you know, and so
Speaker 2: trying to figure out who emerges as a clear number four.
Speaker 2: Was that made any more evident in this last week
Speaker 2: full week of play in Goodyear.
Speaker 3: I think that Brandon Williamson is really separating himself. He
Speaker 3: has had a nice spring, and while I've tried to
Speaker 3: take it with a grain of salt, it just seems
Speaker 3: like every time he goes out there he has a
Speaker 3: good outing, and his most recent outing he pitched five
Speaker 3: plus innings, So it kind of looks like he is
Speaker 3: ready to go and be relied on. And if you
Speaker 3: are going to see Nickelodella miss more than one start,
Speaker 3: I think you can work Chase Burns up in that
Speaker 3: first start, maybe even the second start. He goes five
Speaker 3: innings and then you're ready to turn him loose. But
Speaker 3: I think that the Reds are in any better situation
Speaker 3: here than you know. We as Reds fans, we love
Speaker 3: to take that pessimistic view, and whenever we heard six
Speaker 3: starting pitchers for five spots. We're like, well, you know
Speaker 3: that old adage when you say you got two quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: you don't really have a quarterback. Do you have six
Speaker 3: starting pitchers? I mean, you don't have any And I
Speaker 3: don't think that's the case here. And I was happy
Speaker 3: to hear that their plan for the whole piggyback starter
Speaker 3: situation was not going to be something that extended far
Speaker 3: into the season, because that would be the thing that
Speaker 3: I'd say, Okay, this is a bad idea, because you
Speaker 3: are going to tax your bullpen, you are going to
Speaker 3: to put some weird stress on these young starting pitchers.
Speaker 3: But the quick hook, as it were, on this plan
Speaker 3: is the key too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's Jeff Carr. So the Car Show, Baby and
Speaker 2: Lockdown Reds is the podcast last weekend of full play.
Speaker 2: I think they break we break camp tomorrow and then
Speaker 2: head back for Thursday. Opening day will be live at
Speaker 2: Holy Girl Banks is always starting at nine o'clock, Me,
Speaker 2: Moegger and everybody, everybody, everybody up until game time. So
Speaker 2: hundred Green is out to at least July. Pretty huge
Speaker 2: hole there, obviously, with your ace going down and trying
Speaker 2: to hold it together. Andrew Abbott's getting the started an
Speaker 2: opening day. Is he ready to go? Does he have
Speaker 2: any blisters? Any headache? Is he like cramping? What's is he? Okay?
Speaker 3: All reports indicated he is ready to go, and his
Speaker 3: most recent start, he got his pitch count up really nicely.
Speaker 3: And I know that a lot of folks continue to
Speaker 3: belabor the statistics and I don't think they will have
Speaker 3: too many worries after his opening day start.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's fingers crossed hopefully to go. We know
Speaker 2: you mentioned Brady Singer dodge a blister scare of his own.
Speaker 2: How important is it for him to stay healthy this year?
Speaker 3: He is the rock in the middle of the reservation
Speaker 3: mate thirty two starts last year, first treads start to
Speaker 3: make thirty two starts since the Red Side guy's name,
Speaker 3: Louis Castillo and Tyler Malley shown up for him every
Speaker 3: fifth day, so it's been a little bit there and
Speaker 3: I continue to expect him to do that again, and
Speaker 3: it sort of earmarked the top four. And as much
Speaker 3: as we are seeing you know, Hunter Green missing half
Speaker 3: the season or more and Nicolodolo is already dealing with
Speaker 3: blister issues, this whole top four thing is getting. It's
Speaker 3: taken its licks early, but I'd love to see one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty starts from the top four, which that
Speaker 3: just means each guy needs to average thirty. And if
Speaker 3: you take probably you know, fifteen away from Hunter Green,
Speaker 3: it's likely that they missed that one hundred and twenty mark.
Speaker 3: But Brady Singer is going to be that guy that
Speaker 3: you can rely on to kind of lift everybody else
Speaker 3: up in that group.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Cayleen Ferguson is going to start on the el all.
Speaker 2: He's got a MRI coming up this week, I think Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Back here in Cincinnati, bullpen supposed to be a big
Speaker 2: strength after the rebuild this offseason. How much losing him
Speaker 2: does that hurt? To calculus here?
Speaker 3: It's not as bad as you would think in years past,
Speaker 3: because the year the Reds saw their biggest weakness in
Speaker 3: the bullpen being their lefties, and when you know, last year,
Speaker 3: for the much of the year, it was just Brent
Speaker 3: Suitor and he wasn't really even a lefty specialist. He
Speaker 3: was more of a long relief specialist. The Reds needed
Speaker 3: to upgrade that and so that's why they signed him.
Speaker 3: They traded for brock birth and they kept Sam maul
Speaker 3: where a lot of people wondered if they might cut him. Well,
Speaker 3: they're looking like geniuses for keeping him now because he's
Speaker 3: going to be able to backfill Caleb Ferguson's the spot
Speaker 3: at least in the short term. And Sam Maull's actually
Speaker 3: looked good this spring, where last year he was not
Speaker 3: good at all in the spring or in the regular season.
Speaker 3: He showed up the camp out of shape. This year
Speaker 3: he's completely different. It looks like he was super focused.
Speaker 3: All of his appearances have looked really well. Albeit he's
Speaker 3: still had a little bit of control, but every pitcher
Speaker 3: kind of goes through that during spring training, and so
Speaker 3: I expect him to at least fill in in a
Speaker 3: way that the Reds won't necessarily miss Caleb Ferguson as much.
Speaker 3: But whenever Caleb Ferguson returns, then we will see the
Speaker 3: sailing of the bullets.
Speaker 2: Okay, Sam mall also made the team, and Tito talked
Speaker 2: about his stuff looking a lot better late in camp.
Speaker 2: Is he a legitimate back end weapon or is he
Speaker 2: is he a roster filler? While Ferguson recovers.
Speaker 3: Honestly, if he could pitch like he pitched in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. He could be a legitimate weapon. He was
Speaker 3: a guy that was super good at limiting opponents whenever
Speaker 3: he came in. I kind of had this stet that
Speaker 3: I never really came up with a good name for
Speaker 3: a very relief pitcher that came in, didn't allow base
Speaker 3: rounder and got at least one strikeout and Sam Mall led.
Speaker 3: That was second in the team to Alexis Diaz that year.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think a lot of people would
Speaker 3: have been surprised by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what we need. We need We need
Speaker 2: another statistic in baseball. We need a new plan every year.
Speaker 3: I looked at the long list and I'm like, flony,
Speaker 3: there's there's.
Speaker 2: Not enoay, there's not enough data. More I demand, I
Speaker 2: demand more data. He is Jeff Carr with lockdown, right,
Speaker 2: all right. So that's the pitching situation which has been
Speaker 2: pretty frightening here in the last couple of weeks, with
Speaker 2: the injuries, the blisters, of course, losing your your opening
Speaker 2: day ace, Caleb bur Ferguson on the bullpen. What can
Speaker 2: make up for that and cover a lot of problems there?
Speaker 2: If indeed we have problems would be, of course, the
Speaker 2: position player. So let's talk lineup. Matt McClain has had
Speaker 2: one of the best off spriensive offensive springs in all
Speaker 2: of baseball, I mean all the major leagues. Is it
Speaker 2: real this time?
Speaker 3: I think that there are elements to it that are real.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to expect him to hit over three
Speaker 3: hundred for the season, but there's a very key thing
Speaker 3: that he has done this spring that he just hasn't
Speaker 3: done so far in his two year career, and that
Speaker 3: is he has cut his chase rate almost I mean
Speaker 3: almost by ten percent. His career chase rate is at
Speaker 3: twenty seven percent and this year, or sorry, twenty five percent.
Speaker 3: And this spring he only swung it pitches outside the
Speaker 3: strike zone at a rate of seventeen percent. So his
Speaker 3: plate discipline is up, his eye is better, He's seeing
Speaker 3: the ball really well. Now there's some other stats, like
Speaker 3: when it comes to his luck and things like that
Speaker 3: that would say that, well, a five twenty six batting
Speaker 3: average is a little high. It's a little lucky, and
Speaker 3: whenever you make more hits than outs, I think most
Speaker 3: people would agree with that. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I am buying his plate discipline, and I'm
Speaker 3: buying his approach the way that he is able to
Speaker 3: kind of stay back on his back foot and wait
Speaker 3: on that breaking ball that's low and away, put his
Speaker 3: bat on it and just poking in the right field
Speaker 3: for a single and move along. He has now covered
Speaker 3: the hole in his swing that pitchers knew about last
Speaker 3: year are going to have to regain plan for him.
Speaker 3: And while they do that, I think Matt McLean's going
Speaker 3: to be producing quite a bit for the rest.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Yeah, and he's it looked incredible so far
Speaker 2: as it has for Ellie. He just continues to do
Speaker 2: Ellie like things. He's healthy, he looks good.
Speaker 3: I mean, we saw a couple of different situations in
Speaker 3: the spring where he either walks where he gets a
Speaker 3: single and then you blink and he's on third. And
Speaker 3: that's exactly what we need from him in games where
Speaker 3: he might not have his best stuff with the bat,
Speaker 3: as long as his legs can carry him forward. He's
Speaker 3: a five tool guy. Yeah, you know, if all five
Speaker 3: of those tools are working like we've seen the spring,
Speaker 3: then we are going to see the superstar that we
Speaker 3: know that he can be.
Speaker 2: Gotcha Noelvie Marti had some some shaky moments in right
Speaker 2: field defensively, Tito said he made the club for sure.
Speaker 2: So what's your honest assessment. Who's watched a lot of
Speaker 2: spring training honest as seven of Noelvie Marti as an
Speaker 2: everyday player for the season starting Thursday.
Speaker 3: You know, like the old cartoons or something where somebody
Speaker 3: he's like trying to figure something out and so they
Speaker 3: hold up a big spyglass to something. I'm still holding
Speaker 3: up a big spyglass to Noelvi Marte when he's fielding
Speaker 3: right now. I got to figure out what that looks like.
Speaker 3: Because obviously he had the best play of the year
Speaker 3: last year for the Reds. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: we saw plenty of plays where he's kind of run
Speaker 3: around in the outfield like bugs bunny, trying to find
Speaker 3: a baseball, and you don't want to see that on
Speaker 3: a regular basis. You want to see guys taking good routes.
Speaker 3: You want to see him putting himself in an easy
Speaker 3: position to make a play, and I don't know that
Speaker 3: we really saw that this spring. So I hope that
Speaker 3: he acquires that rather quickly because this outfield it seems
Speaker 3: interesting because there were some nice performances from guys this year,
Speaker 3: But I don't necessarily know that I buy how much
Speaker 3: this outfield or how good this outfield has looked in
Speaker 3: spring training. I've got to see that. That's the one
Speaker 3: thing that I've remarked for the season that I'm like,
Speaker 3: I got to see it to believe it. And I
Speaker 3: got to see his glove working believe okay.
Speaker 2: And then also the bench too, love the fact that
Speaker 2: they resigned to a Vigno Platinum glove catcher send Multilegit.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, Will Benson. Obviously, Nathaniel Low who made the
Speaker 2: club despite a lot of personal trauma during spring training,
Speaker 2: but he still showed up.
Speaker 3: You know, Nick Kral must be living right because for
Speaker 3: NATHANIELO to be available for nothing, and that's what the
Speaker 3: Reds got him for was nothing, and he's going to
Speaker 3: be a key part of this team for this year
Speaker 3: because I think that he's going to bounce back in
Speaker 3: a big way. He's a guy that his career has
Speaker 3: been good. Last year was not, and so if he
Speaker 3: can just get back to what the back of his
Speaker 3: baseball card says, then he is going to be an
Speaker 3: asset for the Reds. And how many times have we
Speaker 3: been able to say that for the Reds in these
Speaker 3: past couple of years. So many young guys trying to
Speaker 3: make their way in the major leagues and they don't
Speaker 3: have a back of the baseball card. NATHANIELO does and
Speaker 3: we know what he can bring to the field. Good
Speaker 3: on base guy, solid line drive power. He's everything that
Speaker 3: Nick Kral says he wants a hitter is. Nick Carl
Speaker 3: loves to tell us how much he loves the life
Speaker 3: a line drive hitter. That's so Nathaniel is. And so
Speaker 3: he's gonna play for base BDH but also be pinch
Speaker 3: hit extraoreding air for the Reds from the left side
Speaker 3: of the plate. And I think he's gonna be a
Speaker 3: weapon that the Reds can use in multiple spots.
Speaker 2: Okay, good should be interesting. Ready to play some ball. Sunday,
Speaker 2: we got a little taste of what summer's like for
Speaker 2: like twenty I felt like you're in Florida for twenty
Speaker 2: four hours and then back to reality. But the forecast
Speaker 2: looks good so far. To get this one in and
Speaker 2: he is Jeff Carr with Lockdown Reds this Morning on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW all the best, buddy, Thanks for coming
Speaker 2: in this morning, and I'm ready for some baseball, for sure.
Speaker 3: It's funny. Same here, man. I can't wait. Just a
Speaker 3: few days left. The games will count, It'll be fine.
Speaker 3: Can't wait. Go back all right.
Speaker 2: We got pictures going down. We got warm weather for
Speaker 2: twenty four hours, now back to what feels like the
Speaker 2: deep freeze. We've got a crisis, Iran. We're pulling out. No, no,
Speaker 2: we're doubling down. And we've got the DHS funding stop
Speaker 2: and the partial government shutdown, meaning there's long lines and
Speaker 2: a lot of airports in the country right now. We
Speaker 2: got Chuck Norris died on Friday for crying out loud.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of stress. I'm speaking of stress.
Speaker 2: Cunningham's coming up in minutes. But you know what we
Speaker 2: you know we need, we need baseball and you'll have
Speaker 2: it here Thursday, Live It All begins new on the
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