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Speaker 2: When you look at some people, all right, we say

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Speaker 2: Why am I kidding these unfortunate things? But you know,

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Speaker 2: I could have, like I've practice well, I had all

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Speaker 1: Especially knowing that he was going to be a free agent,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree, and he did with with vision

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Speaker 4: It might open up things for Courtland Sudden. I'd be

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Speaker 3: As they did last year.

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Speaker 1: God, I hope not.

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Speaker 4: Well again that now gets down And we talked about

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Speaker 1: Or Sean saying hey, let's get this other package.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's a it's probably a work in progress.

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Speaker 1: works for Sean Payton. He does, but he's not like

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Speaker 1: he didn't grow up in this branch, you know what

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Speaker 4: Sure, I mean that's obvious, but he's still he still

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Speaker 4: works for Sean Payton. Sure, So what are you saying

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Speaker 4: he's going to develop his own offense.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, my hope he takes what Sean does and

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Speaker 3: Well, but that's not developing his own offense.

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Speaker 1: Well no, but it's But this is the thing, like

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Speaker 4: Maybe they'll be if Davis is going to be the

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Speaker 3: It's not that Sean was trying not to call what

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Speaker 4: You know, you think you think Sean was trying to

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Speaker 1: That feels like a strong way to frame it. I

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Speaker 3: Don't sit on the fence.

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Speaker 4: Sean's ego got in the way of the Broncos offense,

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Speaker 4: and he deliberately I.

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Speaker 1: Say, I say people in my take, I say people

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Speaker 1: we're having a lot of success. Is that Bow? Is

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Speaker 1: that Sean? Well, there's sometimes in those press conferences he

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Speaker 3: Bring me into your shinking boat. Just stand up. I

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Speaker 1: I need no no, what I'm what I say is

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Speaker 1: that bow. Oftentimes, when when you talk about success of

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Speaker 1: That's right than any other position. That's exactly right. So

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I wouldn't agree with that in this sense.

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Speaker 4: I think Sean wanted everybody to know and reminded people

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Speaker 4: because there were a lot of people that said, what

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Speaker 3: This guy can't play. Matter of fact, I'm looking one.

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Speaker 1: You gotta let that go?

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Speaker 3: What do you mean let it go?

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Speaker 2: I moved on?

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Speaker 1: Hello five minutes later, I was good. I just had

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Speaker 3: You okay, you hated the pick initially, and you wanted

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Speaker 4: So I think Sean liked to remind guys like you periodically,

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Speaker 4: as Bo's had some pretty damn good success in yours

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Speaker 3: But I don't.

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Speaker 4: I never got the feeling that it was Sean trying

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Speaker 3: They were.

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Speaker 4: They were reticent to praise players too much. I think

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Speaker 4: even Yeah, you know, you don't want to give him

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Speaker 4: Maybe it plies to today's player, but so I can see

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Speaker 4: and so he's been which is one of the reasons

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Speaker 4: I didn't think he'd give up play calling. He's he's

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Speaker 3: And I don't want to hear too much about why don't.

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Speaker 4: We try to tag on this, this, and this Because

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Speaker 4: you're young, pup and I've been here forever. I think

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's nefarious.

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Speaker 3: No, we're not on the same page.

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Speaker 4: You hated the pick, You've said that Sean Payton can

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Speaker 4: not ConTroll hiss ego, you wanted JJ McCarthy. Other than

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Speaker 4: those three things were on the same page.

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Speaker 1: The words that I don't remember saying.

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Speaker 3: But no, I did you hate the pick? That sound

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Speaker 1: Yeah, answer the question, did you the cold bread? I

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Speaker 1: That's a hit. The liar buzzer. No, I didn't hate

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I was doing the show with you.

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Speaker 5: I know you poo pooed, p oh, oh, poo pooed

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Speaker 1: I poo pooed the pick.

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Speaker 3: It's okay. God knows, I've made plenty of mistakes, plenty

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Speaker 1: Do you want to listen to them to make you

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Speaker 3: Well, there's one pretty obvious one. Oh no, it's okay. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've made I've made plenty of draft mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Well, anyways, I am all. I'm all board on bow,

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Speaker 1: and I think what's important now is that we can

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Speaker 4: Well, no, it won't be that much. We both have

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Speaker 4: like listen to me, Ryan always find something you can improve,

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Speaker 4: move on every single practice in this case show, in

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Speaker 4: this case, we'll improve on your back pedal. Just think

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Speaker 4: this is what is this grand March twenty third, twenty fifth,

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Speaker 4: twenty fifth, Like I said, March twenty fifth. Just think

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Speaker 4: we'll get it on video. I mean it'll be it'll

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Speaker 4: be fifteen seconds, and then we'll work on it for

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Speaker 4: a couple of weeks, months, a couple of months, maybe

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Speaker 4: a month, and then we'll videotape it again. Guaranteed you'll

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Speaker 4: be improved. Improve back pedaling. Yes, we'll help my back

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Speaker 4: pedaling on the air. As far as a radio bikecaster,

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Speaker 4: I think you're a master at that. I think honestly,

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Speaker 4: you don't need to improve. I mean, do you know

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Speaker 4: there's certain things one doesn't need improvement.

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Speaker 1: And I'll take that as a big time compliment, thank you,

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Speaker 1: sort of sort of yeah, yeah, a little bit a

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Speaker 1: little back back headed, but that is what it is.

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Speaker 1: We got baseball starting tonight's. We've got the NCAA tournament tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: which I'm very much looking forward to. Sweet sixteen. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun to start during our show. Actually,

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours from now, Number eleven, Texas versus Number

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Speaker 1: two Perdue, number nine iowavers Number four Nebraska. Can we

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Speaker 1: tournament updates for present up by expending in Dave Smith's

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Speaker 1: motors low prices that are hard to be in a

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Speaker 1: ram cheap GMC and chevro Let.

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, Iowa State of the teams I've seen

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Speaker 4: in the tournament, they're the best team defense played that

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Speaker 4: I've seen. Now, Nebraska has done a great job. I

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Speaker 4: mean they again, I think Fred Hoiberg I mentioned it

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Speaker 4: earlier in the show. It's just done a terrific job

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Speaker 4: with them. And Nebraska. Nebraska can shoot the ball, they

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Speaker 4: got three point shooters. But Iowa States team defense and

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Speaker 4: they've been doing this the entire year is spectacular. So

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Speaker 4: I don't even know who's favored in that. Do we

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Speaker 4: know who's favorite in that? In the Iowa State Tennessee game?

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Speaker 4: I was I Was State Nebraska, right.

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Speaker 1: I was dates Tennessee. That's on Friday night.

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Speaker 3: Okay, who's favorite in the i Was State?

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Speaker 1: I always say he's favorite by three and a half.

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Speaker 3: Okay, who's favorite in the Nebraska game? Nebraska by one

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Speaker 3: and a half.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's pretty okay, fun man, Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: It's fun. I enjoy it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a couple of you know, seven and

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Speaker 1: a half point lines produce seven and a half over Texas,

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Speaker 1: Arizona seven and a half over Arkansas. That's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a really good game too.

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Speaker 4: Urdu has a center that I'm just telling you, guys,

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Speaker 4: if you're in your twenties, in your you know, we

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Speaker 4: all when we were in our twenties and thirties like

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Speaker 4: to go play rec basketball. He is going to dominate

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Speaker 4: if he's not playing in the NBA. He's just one

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Speaker 4: of those guys that knows how to play at great instincts.

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Speaker 4: He can pass it, he can shoot it. You look

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Speaker 4: at him and say, well, I like you a little faster,

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Speaker 4: like you to jump higher. He's one of those guys.

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Speaker 1: The biggest spread, by the way, is Michigan over Alabama

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Speaker 1: nine and a half. Okay, that's on Friday evening. Did

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Speaker 1: you I don't know if you saw this a little earlier,

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Speaker 1: but the nfl PA or sorry, the NFL Referees Association

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Speaker 1: and the NFL have been negotiating the NFL today. They

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Speaker 1: just got it from the table. They're supposed to talk

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Speaker 1: for two days in advance of the league meetings next week.

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Speaker 1: But for the NFL r A their executive director, Scott Green,

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Speaker 1: we gave them a counter proposal and they rejected it.

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Speaker 1: We asked them to give us a response, and they're refused,

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Speaker 1: as their lead negotiator, Larry Farrazzani said he was not

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Speaker 1: authorized to do so at this point. Then they got

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Speaker 1: up and left. They refused. The NFL came back says

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Speaker 1: they refused to engage in ways to improve officiating performance.

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Speaker 1: The plan was for two days of negotiations, but the

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Speaker 1: talks ended after the morning session. So the NFL playing

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Speaker 1: with fire a little bit here with the referees.

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Speaker 3: No, okay, Unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: It feels like you want to get this done, like

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Speaker 1: why mess around with Well.

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Speaker 4: I think they do, but they want to get it

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Speaker 4: done on their terms. And the NFL is the strongest

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Speaker 4: league that we have in professional sports with respected dealing

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Speaker 4: with either players unions or officiating unions.

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Speaker 1: Very true, So.

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Speaker 4: They can because they can a hardball more I think

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Speaker 4: than other professional leagues. So I don't know if this

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Speaker 4: deal will get done. I mean I assume it will,

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Speaker 4: but I think I think it will be done. If

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Speaker 4: I had to bet on the NFL's terms, not so

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Speaker 4: much on the officials terms.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that would make sense. And you're right, we've

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Speaker 1: seen them through CBA negotiations with the NFLPA in the past.

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Speaker 1: They they tend to be hardball and that's okay. I

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Speaker 1: mean to a certain extent, it just feels like, boy,

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Speaker 1: we've seen backup rest before, We've done this before, We've

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Speaker 1: done this song and dance wasn't great. Even if you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked about what the Competition Committee had recommended yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And even if you do something along the lines will

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Speaker 1: still allow the eye in the sky to be to

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Speaker 1: help out with the backup refs, it's still gonna be

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Speaker 1: a mess. And there's just two. You are the biggest

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Speaker 1: product at all of sports. The last thing you want

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Speaker 1: to do is have controversy. Although the NFL in the

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Speaker 1: past is is historically, I mean Roger Goodell's historically been like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're still talking about us, even if it's even if

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Speaker 1: you disagree with it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I hope they take care of the officials.

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Speaker 4: I think I think it's a very difficult job. And

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Speaker 4: I've said that before and I don't think I haven't

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Speaker 4: seen some of the asks by the officials. So I

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Speaker 4: don't know if it's if we would turn them being

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Speaker 4: unreasonable or not. But again, looking at this from outside

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Speaker 4: the arena, I would tend to say the NFL usually

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Speaker 4: has the upper hand in these type of negotiations.

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Speaker 1: Broncos Country tonight, code at the top of the air, high.

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Speaker 3: Bind, how's it going?

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Speaker 1: It's basically what my show sounds like.

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Speaker 5: For three no, I was doing the what was the

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Speaker 5: movie Karate Kid? Yeah, the crane, Yeah, A long time

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Speaker 5: to stay focused.

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Speaker 4: I mean, really listen. By the way, feel free to

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Speaker 4: use this when you want to. I got Ryan to

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Speaker 4: fully admit on the air that he what was the

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Speaker 4: word you used? I think it was poop pood the

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Speaker 4: draft choice of bon Nicks because he wanted JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: I wrote, Yes, I didn't. It wasn't exactly like that.

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Speaker 3: He was a big fan of nine turned out to

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Speaker 3: be four and a half. That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like that.

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Speaker 3: I just appropriate.

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Speaker 1: You get, you know, through the pre draft process and

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Speaker 1: especially picking that high, you start getting excited about certain

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Speaker 1: guys and we'll.

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Speaker 3: Kind of you were excited about j. J. McCarthy, and

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Speaker 3: that's okay.

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Speaker 4: He still has a long well, he's still career in.

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Speaker 3: Front of him.

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Speaker 1: In Minnesota, he is a long wait, he was a career.

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Speaker 4: How about this, because you already admitted Jomy Hamburger. Do

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Speaker 4: you want to bet you think he's going to beat

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Speaker 4: out Kyler Murray for starting quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Boy, don't do it.

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Speaker 1: Don't put yourself in the you can't feed Christmas Ryan,

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Speaker 1: don't put yourself in this kind I I don't want

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Speaker 1: to double down on bad behaviors, So I'm gonna say no.

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Speaker 1: I think Kyler is going to win that, all right,

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Speaker 1: But I'm not giving up on JJ. And I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: if I was my Minnesota either. Well, and when they

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Speaker 1: trade him to the Chargers, well, I mean you can there.

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Speaker 3: You know what that is?

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Speaker 4: That that actually is not not a far fetched idea.

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Speaker 1: And then he gets a little rehab there with Mike

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Speaker 1: McDaniel and then he gets a chance to go somewhere

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Speaker 1: else and show that.

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Speaker 5: He just stays there and they move on from the

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Speaker 5: other quarterback eventually.

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Speaker 1: Herbert, Well, I guess he'd probably do a contract here

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Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, right, isn't he.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. While JJ could go and reunite with

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Speaker 3: the guy who coached him in.

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Speaker 1: College and Jim Harpall maybe six I don't know here

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Speaker 1: in this division, but the Chargers are gonna Charger, So

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got to know that if he's gonna

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Speaker 1: go there, it's it's probably gonna collapse around him, because

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Speaker 1: that's what happens to the Chargers every year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even right now, they have better Super Bowl odds than

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Speaker 1: the Broncos. And that's really what we do every single

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Speaker 1: season with the Chargers, isn't it short them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It's free money. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Rockies, by the way, So tonight's the first night

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Speaker 1: for baseball and we're gonna have a game a couple

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Speaker 1: with six oh five tonight on Netflix with the Yankees

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Speaker 1: and the Giants. The Rockies don't play until Friday, fifty five.

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Speaker 3: And a games on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Games to night is on Netflix.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so dust off your Netflix account and yeah,

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Speaker 1: I watch a little baseball tonight fifty five and a

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Speaker 1: half where you have been Oh you're such a eight

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Speaker 1: grant is grant Grant? I'm assuming he's backpedaled off his

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Speaker 1: claim of eighty three wins from last night, And I

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Speaker 1: said eighty two, well two wins from the Rockies too.

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Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, I'm here for that above five hundred and

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Speaker 5: I was like, I'd sign off on that.

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Speaker 3: And so with the Rockies, with every Rockies.

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Speaker 1: Fana, you can call me Christopher Hitchins with my complete

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Speaker 1: lack of faith.

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Speaker 3: So it was an atheism joke for you.

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Speaker 1: More of that to come on Broncos Country Tonight the

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Speaker 1: Night Grant. I'm just telling you, yay, three hours by myself.

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Speaker 1: Get ready, let's get ready to turn your radio off, Denver.

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Speaker 1: What did ease