1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Network dot Com reporting on matters impacting us here in 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: the state of Ohio. Welcome back, Jack Windsor. It's good 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: to see you on the Zoom call and good to 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: hear your voice here on the fifty five Krsey Morning Show. 5 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Happy Friday to you man, Happy Friday, Brian. 6 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Always an honor and a pleasure to be here with 7 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: you and the KRC listeners. 8 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 9 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Well, we got choices when it comes to a secretary 10 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: of State here, and we've got a primary coming up, 11 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: and the choices are Marcel Sturbage and Robert Sprague. And 12 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Marcel's been on the program a couple of times. I've 13 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: been very impressed by him. When you hear him talk, 14 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: he is man, he is committed, he's on point, he's 15 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: got on message. He comes across strong, very clear in 16 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: his vision what he hopes to accomplish in the role 17 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: in the office. His background is great, obviously, proudly served 18 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: his country in the military. And I just go to 19 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: Sturbridge for Ohio dot Com. You can find out for yourself. 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: I asked Joe Strekker going into the conversation here this morning, Jack, 21 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: if Robert Sprague has ever reached out to us or 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: and Joe said that is a big no. And also 23 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: there have been nothing but crickets in response to the 24 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: outreach for us to have him on the program to 25 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: hear what he's all about. So I find that rather strange. 26 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: But having talked with Marcel, I can't find anything wrong 27 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: with the man and his candidacy. So what's your take 28 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: on Marcel? And it seems to me like it's one 29 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: of those Republican parties sort of protecting one of its 30 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: own entrenched members. Am I onto something with that statement? 31 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 4: Jack? 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent on to something. Brian, 33 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: first of all, I have personally endorsed Marcel Sturbage for 34 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: Secretary of State, and it was a real simple decision 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: for me. I've had Marcell on my program for over 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: the past couple of years, and he has been one 37 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: hundred percent accurate in his ability to assess where Ohio 38 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: is with election integrity and what steps need to occur, 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: and he has been talking about those steps, he has 40 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: been working with the legislature to bring about those changes, 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 2: and so when he decided to run for Secretary of State, 42 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: it was an easy choice for me to get behind him. Now, 43 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: I do want to say Robert Sprague has visited with 44 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: me before, but that was back when he still wasn't 45 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: sure if he was trying to get appointed to the 46 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: US Senate, when Governor Dwine was trying to make his choice, 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: and it was before he decided to run for governor, 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: if you remember that. So it was, well, maybe I 49 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: want to be in the Senate, maybe I want to 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: be governor, and then eventually he settled on this Secretary 51 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: of State role. I do want to say I think 52 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Robert Sprague is a good man. I think Robert Sprague 53 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: is a prudent person, and I think that if he 54 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: were in a position, he would do well. The challenge is, 55 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: I don't think he's as good as his competitor for 56 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: this specific role. 57 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: Okay, And that's kind of the conclusion I'm reaching in. 58 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to think that for a minute. 59 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: I've got some action to grind against Robert Sprague. I 60 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: just don't recall talking to him. Joe said, if he 61 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: was ever on the show, it was like maybe one time. 62 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: And I don't expect anyone to necessarily come on the show. 63 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: That's their prerogative. But I don't know enough about the 64 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: man compared to Marcel to make that decision. So I 65 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: guess I find myself in your Campjack with this now 66 00:02:58,800 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: just look good? 67 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 3: I no know. 68 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 4: I'm being honest with my listeners. 69 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: So now is the deck stacked against Marcel in the 70 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: sense he doesn't have a shot. I mean, how's he 71 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: looking as we headed under the primary? 72 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. 73 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 4: His polling numbers look fantastic. 74 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a controversy. 75 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: First of all, he commissioned a poll, and he's the 76 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: guy that many in the parties say can't raise the money. Well, 77 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: he raised enough money to actually conduct a poll, and 78 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: according to that poll, a huge number of people are undecided, which, 79 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: by the way, should not be surprising. The Secretary of 80 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: State race in a midterm election is not at the 81 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: top of everyone's punch list to research. Generally, However, the 82 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: people who had made a decision or thought they had 83 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: made a decision, he is Marcel Sturbage. 84 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: That is up by eight points. 85 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: Now, when the voters were informed about his platform, his 86 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: margin of victory spreads to forty seven points. So once 87 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: they understand who he is and what he is, that 88 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: number gets larger. Now, many people in the other Camps say, well, 89 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: that's not a legitimate poll, and then Marcel points to 90 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: the fact that the Republican Party has actually used this 91 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: same outfit before spend one hundred thousand dollars getting other 92 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: polls done. So one, I do think his message is resonating. 93 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: There will be a challenge as we head down the 94 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: back stretch here, though, can he reach the number of 95 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: voters that he's going to need to reach in order 96 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: to win that election? And the Republican Party, the State 97 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: Central Committee decided to endorse Robert Sprague, his opponent, so 98 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: that will give him the indict show. That will give 99 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: him some financial breathing room, if you will. Plus he 100 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: will probably have the donor class behind him. So down 101 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: the stretch it's going to be about can Marcel get 102 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 2: in front of enough voters and can he overcome the 103 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: millions and millions in spending that we'll see from Robert Sprague. 104 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: Well, before we part company and end this break and 105 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: move on to a different topic, I guess I'm just 106 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: kind of curious to know, and I think I know 107 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: your reaction. A lot of my listeners, and you guess 108 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: you can count me among them, little upset with the 109 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: Republican Party making endorsements in advance the primary before the 110 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: actual Republican voters have had to have a say, have 111 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: had a say in the matter. 112 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: Jack, Yeah, So that is a very, very controversial topic, 113 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 2: and it really came to a head if you remember 114 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: back when Governor Mike DeWine was endorsed by the party 115 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 2: and there was a contested gubernatorial primary. But what ended 116 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: up being interesting is now you have another governor's race 117 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: four years later, and some of the same people who 118 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: when DeWine was endorsed early came out and said, well, listen, 119 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: Traditionally I wouldn't support endorsing in a race, but because 120 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: Governor Mike DeWine is going to try to pull all 121 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: the levers possible to get someone like Lieutenant Governor Jim 122 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 2: Tressel to be the party's endorsed candidate, we've got to 123 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: go ahead and get out of the gate early, get 124 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: Vivek Ramaswami to be the guy that we endorse y. 125 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: And so that was a real interesting about face. And 126 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: then of course that has continued on down the ticket, 127 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: and I think that will benefit Marcel Sturbiche's opponent in 128 00:05:58,720 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: this race. 129 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right on that one. And while 130 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: I didn't have and my listeners may call me out 131 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: on being hypocritical on this, I didn't say anything about 132 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: the Republican Party's endorsement of Via Ramas on me just 133 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: because I think Vivek is the candidate and I really 134 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: want him. But the same arguments do apply. I think 135 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: if they had let us just approach the primary on 136 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: the gubernatorial candidate, Vivike Ramaswamy would have run anyway, and 137 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: that's where we would be and there wouldn't be this controversy. 138 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: It's like the nuclear option Jack. Once you get rid 139 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: of the sixty vote threshold and you go down to fifty, 140 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: it's over with and it's done. So I think we're 141 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: going to see this trend continue down the road. 142 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, and I think we are. And the challenge 143 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: is many times it's hard for people to do all 144 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: of their homework in advance, and it's actually the primary 145 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: election that brings their attention to the point that they 146 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: need to do the researches. And if you have the 147 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 2: party putting the thumb on the scale before that, maybe 148 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: sometimes you're not getting the best candidate or the candidate 149 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: that people genuinely want, and. 150 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: It reduces the likelihood that they will agree to a debate, 151 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: which I think benefits everybody. 152 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 4: Right. 153 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: I would absolutely agree with that, and that's been one 154 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: of my areas of frustration with Robert Sprague. He seems 155 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: to not want to debate now, and he's actually like 156 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: he has with you. He has gone radio silent with me, 157 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: and his campaign staff will not return phone calls, and 158 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: I'm begging him to come on my show and answer 159 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: some hard questions. 160 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: Well, continue with me this morning. Energy policy. 161 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: We're going to continue with Jack Wins when we get 162 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: back Ohio senators and Trump discussing energy rates, regarding building 163 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: new data centers. 164 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: Bring your own power more with the Deep Talk Station. Hey, 165 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: forty one to fifty five KRSE. 166 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: The Talk station a worthy site to book, Marjorie Ohio 167 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: Pressnetwork dot Com. Jack Windsor side Jackson the program every 168 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: Friday here on the fifty five KSSE Morning Show, bringing 169 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: us up to speed. And I understand that Trump and 170 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: well John Houston, Bernie Moreno had a whole bunch of 171 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: other folks, so are doing a roundtable in terms of well, 172 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. 173 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: It's a boom. 174 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: We're all dealing with it, but we're all worried about 175 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: that it's going to make our electricity bills go up 176 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: through the sky, and that seems to be going in 177 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: that direction, Jack Windsor, I know there's been a lot 178 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: of proposals about AI bringing their own power with them. 179 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Brigham Account on the Hudson 180 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: Institute about small modular reactors and that may be a 181 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: thing they can bring with them. Very expensive they are. 182 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: But what does this all mean to us, Jack Windsor. 183 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. 184 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: So President Donald Trump is serious about the United States 185 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 2: continuing to lead on AI, particularly with China, the country 186 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: that is competing with us primarily, and he wanted to 187 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: address this concern that we all have, which is if 188 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: we build all of these data centers and these data 189 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: centers become a suck on our power supply, then what 190 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: does that do to our electric bills? So he worked 191 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: with some key companies Amazon, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Oracle, OpenAI, 192 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: and Xai, and they signed a non binding agreement and 193 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 2: they committed to five things. One was to secure their 194 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: own electricity supplies for data centers, to invest in new 195 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: power generation resources. Three, fund transmission upgrades for negotiate separate 196 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: rate structures with utilities in five enhance grid resilience to 197 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 2: handle increased demands. And it's also new worthy. As you mentioned. 198 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: Senators Bernie Marino and John Housted were in attendance and 199 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: praised this commitment. But also we're alongside META when they 200 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: announced a new workforce training program in Ohio to support 201 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 2: AI related jobs, which of course aligns with the pledges 202 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: focus on economic growth, particularly using local workers. 203 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know some people are against the 204 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: whole concept of AI in their backyard. Going back to 205 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: the NIMBI thing, it's a foregone conclusion these are coming. 206 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: So you know, if it was a let's say, a Multiplex, 207 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: Giant Walmart, Giant Kroger, Giant whatever, taking up the same 208 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: square footage of land, would people be against it as 209 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: much as they are with the AI facilities considering the 210 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: amount of revenue by way of tax dollars they presumably 211 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: will bring into any given community. It's the power, really 212 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: is the problem for most people, isn't it. 213 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: It really is. It's the power. 214 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: And I think there's still this nebulous, conspiratorial thinking. And 215 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: I don't by the way, I don't use the word 216 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: conspiratorial the way that some people on the left do. 217 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: There is just this belief that there's some conspiring and 218 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: hiding some information about surveillance and all those things, and 219 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: so there are some of those concerns. But yeah, it 220 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: does come down to power. 221 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: But I like to. 222 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: Point out, and I know that you've had Donovan O'Neil 223 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: with Americans for Prosperity on your show before, but AFP's 224 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 2: been really on the bleeding edge with some of this. 225 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: And when you look at those five points that Trump 226 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: is really working hard to make sure these tech giants 227 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: adhere to Ohio really is pretty far down the path. 228 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: If you remember House Bill fifteen became effective in August 229 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: of last year. It really deals with a lot of 230 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: that behind the meter, self generation and microgrids. So Ohio 231 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: is really kind of suited up and ready for these 232 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: companies to do that here. And then of course the 233 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: separate rate structures and cost allocation Public Utilities Commission of 234 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: Ohio did approve some data center specific tariff language for 235 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: AFP AEP now that needs to be blanketed, I think, 236 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 2: and apply to all of these power companies. But there 237 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: are incentives for new generation transmission under House Bill fifteen 238 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: and the grid resilience enhancements that's kind of baked into 239 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: House Bill fifteen, and some of this stuff that the 240 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: Public Utilities Commission of Ohio is doing. But overall, I 241 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: think Ohio's framework is already well equipped for these non 242 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: binding pledges. It will be now then incumbent upon the 243 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: lawmakers in the General Assembly to take it the extra 244 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: mile to make sure that Ohio is in a position 245 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 2: that when these companies want to do the things that 246 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: they've committed to do, that they're legally able to do them. 247 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: Legally able to do them. There's that pesky legal impediment, 248 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: self imposed, self inflicted wound. Usually Jack windsor it's a 249 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: forty five. We'll bring Jack back to talk about whistleblowers. 250 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: Are they being punished for exposing waste and fraud? 251 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 4: God? I hope not. 252 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: But something suggests based on the topic that yeah, they 253 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: are more with Jack windsor don't go away. 254 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 4: Fifty five euros the talk station. 255 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: Eight forty nine if you have KRC detalk station for 256 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: idel Jack windsor the Ohio Press Network. Wait a minute, Jack, fraud, 257 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: wasted abuse. We all need to go after it because 258 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: this does not bear a political stripe. If someone is 259 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: stealing taxpayer dollars, they're stealing liberal tax payer dollars, conservative 260 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: tax payer dollars. Politically neutral Switzerland type political politically leading folks. 261 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: Everybody is suffering on this. There should be no fraud 262 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: wasted abuse. There should be a fiduciary obligation owed by 263 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: people in government to mind the store and prevent it 264 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: from happening. Clearly, Minnesota is a wonderful illustration of them 265 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: not only being aware of fraud wasted abuse, almost actively 266 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: encouraging it, claiming, oh my god, if I say something, 267 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: I'll be accused of racism. Oh blow it out, or 268 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,479 Speaker 1: you know what. That is a nonsensical argument. If you're stealing, 269 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what color skin you've got, you are stealing, 270 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: which is a pox on everyone with that in mind. Whistleblowers, Jack, 271 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: what's this one all about? 272 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, preach, Brian, preach. 273 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: The second of all, just another Byshell report from the 274 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. 275 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: It dropped earlier. 276 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: This week, and what we now know is that, based 277 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: on the testimony of nine current and former state officials 278 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: in Minnesota, that Governor Tim Walls and his administration not 279 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: only knew that fraud was occurring, they did nothing about it. 280 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: And then what you just said, they went the extra 281 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: mile and actually sought to punish the whistleblowers. Now, there 282 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: are six different types of allegations. I'll run quickly through those. First, 283 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: whistleblowers alleged that millions were spent on surveilling employees who 284 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: raised fraud concerns. So not only were they letting money 285 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: seep out the hole in the bucket, they were taking 286 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: what money was left over to actually try to surveil 287 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: the people who were. 288 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: Blowing the whistle. Disgusting. 289 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: Whistleblowers also claimed that private investigators or law firms were 290 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: hired to silence them. Dozens of whistleblowers reported being told 291 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 2: to not speak about the fraud, and as you just 292 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: pointed out, they would be accused of being racist, islamophobic, xenophobic. 293 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: Upper management conducted regular checks or meetings with these employees 294 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: who reported concerns so that they, you know, felt big 295 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 2: brothers watching right over their shoulder. And then examples include 296 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 2: of job related threats and demotivation, supervisors threatening to make 297 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 2: a whistleblower's life difficult. And then those supervisors later receiving 298 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 2: a promotion. So it was very clear that this was 299 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: a culture that rewarded turning a blind eye to fraud, 300 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: and then management showed disdain for groups of employees emailing 301 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: fraud concerns to leadership, including the governor's chief of staff, 302 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: and broader findings note a fear of political retribution. So again, 303 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: these are not just pie in the sky, you know, 304 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: pulled out of the ether. These are based on the 305 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: testimony of nine current and former state officials there in 306 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: the North Star state, so that not only is their waste, 307 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: fraud and abuse, now they're punishing the good guys that 308 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: are actually trying to stand up for the taxpayer. 309 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: Well throughout this process. 310 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: And you know, if you look at the reporting on 311 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: this Minnesota thing, and I thought, Imprimus did a fabulous 312 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: job and I can't I posted on my blog pages 313 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: they through the whole thing. But the author pointed out 314 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: the history of the investigation of these leering centers and 315 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: these various other programs, and that there was local reporting 316 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: on it going way back pointing out the fraud, waste, 317 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: and abuse. I mean, this was widely known. This was 318 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: just this wasn't flying under the radar. This was kind 319 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: of going on on and on and on, and considering 320 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the reasons as you just boiled down and articulated these 321 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: threats of you know, accusing people of xenophobia or whatever, 322 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: which I find, you know, threaten me with that. I'm 323 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: gonna laugh at you. Where are the spine with these people? 324 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: But I think you've revealed some perhaps broader problem that's 325 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: going on with our pretty much anybody in elected capacity, 326 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: they're all being threatened along these lines. We're gonna have 327 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: an organized campaign, We're gonna boycott, You're gonna accuse you 328 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: endlessly of being a racist and homophobe and a zenovo. 329 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: And you wonder why our politicians do things. Maybe they 330 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: got the goods on behind the scenes, like yeah, we 331 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: know where you search on the internet, we got pictures 332 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: of you or whatever, this kind of extortion thing without 333 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: people in those positions having spines willing to stand up 334 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: to a going no, no, I'm not a racist. I'm 335 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: just looking at people ripping us off. It seems like 336 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: a simple response. 337 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: Jack, It really does. It really does. 338 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: And by the way, I will remind your listeners, and 339 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: I'm sure that this is gonna make some people mad, 340 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: but I don't care. Our governor is a governor who 341 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: stood up when the beginning of discovery has happened here 342 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: in Ohio and said, well, you know, the Somali people 343 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: are good people, and they contribute to our local businesses 344 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: and regional businesses. And listen, this is not a critique 345 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: of the Somali people, but it would be it's stupid 346 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: for the governor to say things like that when you 347 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: can look at the numbers and recognize that seventy percent, 348 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: somewhere between fifty eight and seventy percent get Medicaid, they 349 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: get snap benefits, and they get other welfare benefits, and 350 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: so I go, okay, if they are contributing members of society, 351 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: why are their rates for public assistance exponentially higher? And 352 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: again it goes back to this guilty shaming and blaming. 353 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: We are never going to get it right if every 354 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: time that we step out or put our necks out 355 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: and say, look, this is something going wrong here, that 356 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: we cowtail when. 357 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: Somebody says, well, you're racist or you're xenophobic. 358 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: And when you have a governor of the state of 359 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: Ohio really role modeling that it doesn't take long to 360 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 2: figure out why we have millions and probably billions of 361 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: dollars a fraud here in this state as well. 362 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: Well, this is the point I've been making, never paying 363 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: with a broad brush. I'm sure there are some within 364 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: the smaller community that are contributing, and they are paying taxes, 365 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: and they are great mom and dads, and they have 366 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: family life whatever. Not all of them fall into that 367 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: category much in the same way some of them are 368 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: ripping us all up. That is not me saying all 369 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: Somalians are thieves. You're painting with a broad brush. By 370 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: accusing me of that, you are basically being the racist. 371 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: Come on, just because you're within some given category of 372 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: people the whole, doesn't mean there's not a subset of 373 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: people who might fall out of that collective and say, no, 374 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: those nefarious, the subset of the small and community are nefarious. 375 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: A subset of the smiling community are great people. Let's 376 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: go after the nefarious. Let's keep this whole race thing 377 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: out of it and save ourselves the taxpayer dollars that 378 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: are being ripped off. 379 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: Amen. 380 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: And this is what concerns me, and we can talk 381 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 2: about it with any topic. Now, there is this movement 382 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: within the middle of the road to the right. I 383 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: call it the woke right now. And you look at 384 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: what the left has done for the past four or 385 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: five decades. They've become masterful at identity politics, and if 386 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: you go against the narrative, then they put a label 387 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: on you racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, whatever. Well, when the right 388 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: starts doing those same things, we are going so far 389 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 2: away from the fourteenth Amendment, which says that we should 390 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: be applying the law equally to everybody and everyone should 391 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: get an equal remedy. If we start down that road, 392 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm afraid we're not going to come back. So shame 393 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: on Governor Mike Dwine and other Republicans who fall into 394 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: that trap. 395 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: Amen, underscore and I share your criticism the ohiopressnetwork dot com. 396 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: Fine Jack, bookmark the site. Jack will do this next Friday. 397 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: I have a wonderful weekend and a great week my 398 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: friend you. Two eight sixty five cares to the talk 399 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: station Tech Friday with Dave hat Or Brian