WEBVTT - 11-7-25 Sloan with Jeff Meadows

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be in American Idio Scott's loan

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred W which you need to know this

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<v Speaker 1>morning is important if you're gonna have got to have

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<v Speaker 1>a good time this weekend or any time for that matter.

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<v Speaker 1>Encourage you not to drink and drive or smoke and

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<v Speaker 1>drive because it's just it's not worth it. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>changing the OVI laws, at least they want to. It's

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Senate Bill fifty five, and that would definitely I'm

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this going.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of issues with it. Namely, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the smoking and the edibles and the stuff with

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<v Speaker 1>THHC and now especially with the cbdsah slash THC and

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<v Speaker 1>fused beverages that are extremely popular right now you can

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<v Speaker 1>get in bars at the General Assembly just figured out

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<v Speaker 1>how to do that. Now you're gonna get a whole

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of people who may enjoy those beverages that wind

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<v Speaker 1>up getting stopped and arrested and charged well after they

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<v Speaker 1>consume that beverage, like days later on that jeff Meadows

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<v Speaker 1>from the Law Metals Law Firm making sense of it. Jeffrey,

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<v Speaker 1>how's life great, Scot? Everything is fine? I could be

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<v Speaker 1>driving right now like I think you're on your way

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<v Speaker 1>to Batavia. You said, so this time a year with

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<v Speaker 1>the all with the leaves, and it looks good, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely gorgeous, nice little drive. So, uh, the bill pass

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio Senate unanimously. It's in the House Judiciary Committee

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<v Speaker 1>and looks like it's going to move forward. So the

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<v Speaker 1>big question a while with them, because you're listening this going, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I, you know, like to go out and have

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<v Speaker 1>a few drinks or smoke or whatever it is, can

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<v Speaker 1>you explain like what the problems they're trying to fix.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's two issues in under Ohio viilaw as it

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<v Speaker 2>relates to marijuana and marijuana by products. When we consume

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<v Speaker 2>a marijuana product, the chemical compound that gets us high

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<v Speaker 2>makes this happy, hungry, sleepy, whatever is delta nine THCHC

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<v Speaker 2>or what's commonly referred to as THHC. THHC then breaks

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<v Speaker 2>down into something called hydroxy THCHC, which is the first

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<v Speaker 2>past metabolite that further breaks down into something called carboxy THHC.

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<v Speaker 2>And under the current law, it's there is a per

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<v Speaker 2>se limit for metabolites and for actual THC. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I say a per see limit. Most people are familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with alcohol, it's point oh eight. If you're a point

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<v Speaker 2>o eight or higher, you're guilty. It doesn't matter whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're buzzed or hammered or not. Same thing with marijuana.

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<v Speaker 2>Prom with this is especially as it relates to the

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<v Speaker 2>metabolites is CARBOXYPHC. We currently have a limit of thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five nanograms in urine, and it doesn't matter if there's

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five nanograms of carboxy in your urine or thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five million. It has zero psychoactive properties. What that means

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<v Speaker 2>is it doesn't affect your ability to do anything. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make god, it doesn't make you hungry, doesn't make

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<v Speaker 2>you tired, It doesn't affect your ability to stand, walk, talk,

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<v Speaker 2>or most importantly drive. So we've had this loss for

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<v Speaker 2>a number of years now, and anyone even prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the legalization of recreational marijuana. If you went to Las

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas and you got highs a kite and legally in

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<v Speaker 2>Las Vegas under Las Vegas ball not federal law. Course,

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<v Speaker 2>when you fly home and get in your car and

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<v Speaker 2>cross over the river into Ohio, you're guilty because this

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<v Speaker 2>carboxy THC metabolite is stored in your fat cells, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be there's gonna be a different retention

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<v Speaker 2>period forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Got so instead of kind of bringing around with all

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<v Speaker 1>the numbers in that Jeff Metters, what you're saying is is, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be like, we know that the alcohol is

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<v Speaker 1>a component with beer or wine or whiskey that gets

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<v Speaker 1>you drunk. Alcohol obviously evaporates quickly, you metabolize it fairly

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<v Speaker 1>quickly compared to this and once it's gone to suit

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<v Speaker 1>side of your system, but there could be some components

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<v Speaker 1>in that wine or beer whiskey that remain in your

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<v Speaker 1>body because it's a nutrient for lack of a better term,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to hang around till your body digest.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like testing for those components of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be like the apple flavor in I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Crown Royal, for example, hangs around longer than the alcohol does.

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<v Speaker 1>Be Okay, we got you because you've got too much

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<v Speaker 1>apple in your system. Same thing here. It's a component

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't get you high, but it's an after effect

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<v Speaker 1>and artifact from the original product. So you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>could be two days, three days, which is why when

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<v Speaker 1>you have a drug test, you know, okay, well I

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<v Speaker 1>can't smoke for thirty days because it takes that long

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<v Speaker 1>for those metabolites to get out of your system. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not high in day twenty nine, but the metabolites are

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<v Speaker 1>still there.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, And actually alcohol Scott has a metabolite. It's called

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<v Speaker 2>apple gluecoran EID or ETG. It hangs around in your

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<v Speaker 2>body for up to eighty hours. And some probation departments

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<v Speaker 2>who you know, they do urine test for ETG to

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<v Speaker 2>see if probation or inter drinking. So that'd be like

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<v Speaker 2>testing people that leave a judicial fundraiser, a prosecutors fundraiser,

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<v Speaker 2>e Lodgy testing them two days later, Hey, you're guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would be moronic. So, but what SB fifty

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<v Speaker 2>five does. There is a per se limit for actual

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<v Speaker 2>THHC presently of two nanograms in your whole blood, and

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<v Speaker 2>SB fifty five raises that from two to five. And

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<v Speaker 2>in doing a little bit of prep for our discussion

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, I actually found an article that was submitted

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<v Speaker 2>by an opponent of Senate Bill fifty five, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a seven page letter that is actually I was very

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<v Speaker 2>skeptical going into it. But I read and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's pretty smart, and it talks about how people,

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<v Speaker 2>based on scientific studies, chronic users of marijuana product can

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<v Speaker 2>test five nanograms any time of the day when they're

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<v Speaker 2>not impaired whatsoever. And the crux of this letter to

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<v Speaker 2>the Senate was that any per se limit for marijuana

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<v Speaker 2>is still advised. And again it's it's based in some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty solid studies. There was one study from a guy

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<v Speaker 2>over in Europe that I've actually attended some of his

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<v Speaker 2>lectures right in aw Jones, And this is actually cites

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<v Speaker 2>actual science, which oftentimes our General Assembly doesn't well, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to look at Jeff Meadows.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It made me think of what we've just talked about

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<v Speaker 1>previously with like the CBD you know, can't drink bands

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff because the craft beer industry is fading out

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<v Speaker 1>and a local brewery's Ryan Geist fifty West, all those

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<v Speaker 1>guys are coming up with new products. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, CBD infused or THC infused drinks, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a nuance between the THC that you extract from and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from from hamp and from from marijuana, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a nuance there, and I get that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to mingle the two together. But point it is

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<v Speaker 1>people drinking and go wow, I like the feeling better

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<v Speaker 1>than alcohol by drinking these THC and fused drinks that

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<v Speaker 1>comes from hamp and not marijuana. Would would this all

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<v Speaker 1>get caught in there too? So someone who's maybe you go, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I don't you know. I don't use

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<v Speaker 1>tin cheer, I don't smoke, I don't do edibles, but

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoyed the THHC infused beverages. Would would people also

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<v Speaker 1>be subject to this? Does that work as well?

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<v Speaker 2>So the short answer is yes. Delta THHC, which is

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<v Speaker 2>largely what's derived from the hemp product, can cause you

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<v Speaker 2>to test positive or over certain limits depending on the

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<v Speaker 2>frequency and quantity of use for the marijuana metabolite. So

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<v Speaker 2>Cinebill fifty five was a wife bipartisanville. It passed the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate unanimously, and now it's in the House Judiciary Committee,

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<v Speaker 2>and it completely eliminated this metabolite section of our OVII

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<v Speaker 2>Wall forty five eleven nineteen of the Higher Revised Code.

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<v Speaker 2>So first glance, it's awesome because it completely gets rid

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<v Speaker 2>of the per se component of metabolite. It does say

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<v Speaker 2>that a finder of facts, whether it's a judge or jury,

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<v Speaker 2>can consider a chemical test namely learned along with any

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<v Speaker 2>other competent evidence, an officer's observation, you know, what he smells,

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<v Speaker 2>what he sees on your performance. But the problem again

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<v Speaker 2>is that the carboxy THHC, which is typically the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing you're ever going to see identified any urine test,

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<v Speaker 2>is not psychoactive, so there shouldn't be impairment psychomotor skills

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<v Speaker 2>or fields based solely on marijuana.

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<v Speaker 1>MATAE interesting does that well? Actually, by the way, Jeff Meadows,

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<v Speaker 1>he's an attorney metals law from one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>ov I attorneys. It's Ohio Senate Bill fifty five. And

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<v Speaker 1>even if you don't live on know how, you should

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<v Speaker 1>know this because it changes our ov E laws and

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<v Speaker 1>basically the way it changes metabolite testing for OVA metabolizer

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<v Speaker 1>will fill over the byproduct from using thhc so marijuana

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<v Speaker 1>or in this case, some of those thhd infused beverages

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<v Speaker 1>that the state legislatures will wound up cleaning up, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can continue to enjoy those, if you drink those,

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<v Speaker 1>if you smoke edibles, whatever. You could be jammed up

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<v Speaker 1>in this thing because the metabolites or this hang around

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<v Speaker 1>much much longer than the effects, the high effects that

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have. It's kind of like, you know, doing a

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<v Speaker 1>breathalyzer test after you had a few drinks three or

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<v Speaker 1>four or five or twenty nine days later. It's not fair,

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder. I can't help but think that this

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<v Speaker 1>is like a de facto way to get people to

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<v Speaker 1>use less marijuana, because we know the state legislature absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>hates anyone who uses marijuana. They fought tooth and nail

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<v Speaker 1>against all this thing for whatever reason. Is this a

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<v Speaker 1>way to undermine the demand for it?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. Are telling what they're thinking. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's some good language in this, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>eliminating the person day limits for the metabolize, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're sitting at home in the evening watching

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<v Speaker 2>Super Troopers and then marijuana, you shouldn't be convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>an ov I for driving to work the next day

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<v Speaker 2>when the active THHD is gone.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a Jeff Meadows Attorney's a lawyer, scientist, the

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<v Speaker 1>metals law firm. Ov I guy, and again it's an

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Senate Bill fifty five pass unanimously, a change ov

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<v Speaker 1>I laws. If you got pulled over on a Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say you get pulled over on a Friday night,

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<v Speaker 1>take me through that stop. If you had some of

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<v Speaker 1>these metabolites in your system. Let's say you're out having

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<v Speaker 1>some of those beverages that have THC in them. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you did that on Friday and it's now Sunday and

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<v Speaker 1>you get pulled over before lane violation and the officer

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<v Speaker 1>suspects that you have you've been pulled over and you've

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<v Speaker 1>been using I don't know, either alcohol or that type

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<v Speaker 1>of drug. How do you defend that? What's the process

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<v Speaker 1>like from the first out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, honestly, Scott, I mean this is the starting point.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm going to go out and have beverages, I

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<v Speaker 2>actually uber from home. That way, I'm never tempted to

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<v Speaker 2>drive you home. Yeah, and it amazes me. I still

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<v Speaker 2>have a job with all the rideshare opportunities. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you do, because it is legal to drink and then

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<v Speaker 2>get in the cars, why there's parking lot at every bar. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, always be polite, respectful, hand your documents to

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<v Speaker 2>the officer. Quite frankly, I'm a fan rolling the window

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<v Speaker 2>all the way down. This bull craft of cracking your

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<v Speaker 2>window and sliding your license out. Everybody knows what that's about.

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<v Speaker 2>Your hiding something. Just roll your damn winded down and

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<v Speaker 2>give them your documents. Let that car air out a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. When they ask you if you've had anything

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<v Speaker 2>to drink or smoke or edibles, I think at that

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<v Speaker 2>point you just invoke your constitutional right. The officer, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to have an attorney if you want to question me.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't want to answer any questions. It is

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<v Speaker 2>none of their business where you're coming from and where

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to. So when they say so, where are

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<v Speaker 2>you coming from? Officer, not answering that question? Where are

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<v Speaker 2>you headed? Not answering that question either. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep questioning me, I'd like to talk field lawyer.

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<v Speaker 2>We can call Medos right now. His numbers three h nine,

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<v Speaker 2>jeffs my mood right. When they tell you to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the car, get out. They've got fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>bolts on their hip to coerce you if you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I recommend nobody do feel sobrieties, especially the

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<v Speaker 2>eye test when they're moving their finger or pin across

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<v Speaker 2>your field of vision. They're looking for a neurological condition

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<v Speaker 2>called nice stagnus. Most of the people who administered the

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<v Speaker 2>test on a regular basis have more education than these

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<v Speaker 2>officers do. They're called brain surgeons, and it's a test

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<v Speaker 2>that's administered routinely every day in neurology and ophthalmology offices.

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<v Speaker 2>These are people that have significant education and experience. When

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<v Speaker 2>you've got an officer doing these tests and you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>into the sun, you're looking at rotating lights. They're doing

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<v Speaker 2>it on the side of the road with cars going

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<v Speaker 2>buy a fifty five or eighty miles an hour. Overwhelmingly,

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<v Speaker 2>Now that we have body warn camera, I can zoom

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<v Speaker 2>in on my client's face and see that there is

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<v Speaker 2>verifiably no nice stagnats, even though the officers believe they

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<v Speaker 2>see it. And I don't think they're lying when they

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<v Speaker 2>put it in their own Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's confirmation by it, right, Yeah, And that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you never you know, you have lawyers and

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<v Speaker 1>judges and they get pulled. They never take the test.

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<v Speaker 1>You just say, listen, I'm not doing anying. I'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to an attorney, can they force you to take a

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<v Speaker 1>blood alcohol test, you've got to get a quart order

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<v Speaker 1>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, you got to have a war Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like the doormat at my in my house

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<v Speaker 2>has come back with a.

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<v Speaker 1>Warrant, come back with a warrant. Yeah, that's a bad

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<v Speaker 1>and that's that's just one on one kind of stuff there.

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<v Speaker 1>But they changed these laws and then you wonder, Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>is it just gonna make it? Is? Is it? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it a de facto way to prevent people from enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>what we wanted and that is recreational and in cases

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<v Speaker 1>medicinal marijuana and Ohio is Jeff Meadow's attorney with the

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<v Speaker 1>Metals law firm. What's that number again?

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<v Speaker 2>Five nine, Jeff is myself. Hopefully it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>going up here tonight. Well, I hope not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing is, it's like, you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>you represent your clients very very well, you're the best, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same times, like you shouldn't do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you wouldn't have to call Jeff And because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a pain in the ass. From what I understand,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never done it. I hope never have to call you, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying, in my almost sixty years of life never

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. So all the best, buddy, have a

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<v Speaker 1>good one. I appreciate the insight. Thank you two. Have

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<v Speaker 1>a great weekend, yeap. Stuff you need to know as

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<v Speaker 1>you head into the weekend. Here the city of Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>can get and not get out of their own way.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting observation. All of the people that they have had

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<v Speaker 1>fired in their administrative stabs, you know, chiefs and fire

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<v Speaker 1>and they're either black or female. You notice that. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet where's the outrage from the people who are outraged

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<v Speaker 1>about the one white guy being the victim during the

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<v Speaker 1>July brawls. We'll get into that. Plus, do you know

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<v Speaker 1>how binge watching start? You gotta binge watch this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>The weather, the way it is, no football, The story

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<v Speaker 1>behind that, how it actually started has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>with COVID, by the way, nothing to do with COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into that next afternoons on the Scotslane Show

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<v Speaker 1>on this Friday morning on the home of the best

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<v Speaker 1>Bengals coverage. Except this weekend where the Bengals are idle,

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend. Can the Bengals lose this weekend? How many

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<v Speaker 1>points can the defense give up? It's impossible. It's statistically

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<v Speaker 1>impossible for the Bengals to lose this weekend. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. They're not playing, they're idle, and yet and yet,

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<v Speaker 1>come Monday morning, it's the Bengals. So home of the

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