Speaker 1: Do you want to be in American Idio Scott's loan
Speaker 1: on seven hundred W which you need to know this
Speaker 1: morning is important if you're gonna have got to have
Speaker 1: a good time this weekend or any time for that matter.
Speaker 1: Encourage you not to drink and drive or smoke and
Speaker 1: drive because it's just it's not worth it. But they're
Speaker 1: changing the OVI laws, at least they want to. It's
Speaker 1: Ohio Senate Bill fifty five, and that would definitely I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this going.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of issues with it. Namely, it's
Speaker 1: not the smoking and the edibles and the stuff with
Speaker 1: THHC and now especially with the cbdsah slash THC and
Speaker 1: fused beverages that are extremely popular right now you can
Speaker 1: get in bars at the General Assembly just figured out
Speaker 1: how to do that. Now you're gonna get a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of people who may enjoy those beverages that wind
Speaker 1: up getting stopped and arrested and charged well after they
Speaker 1: consume that beverage, like days later on that jeff Meadows
Speaker 1: from the Law Metals Law Firm making sense of it. Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: how's life great, Scot? Everything is fine? I could be
Speaker 1: driving right now like I think you're on your way
Speaker 1: to Batavia. You said, so this time a year with
Speaker 1: the all with the leaves, and it looks good, beautiful,
Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, nice little drive. So, uh, the bill pass
Speaker 1: the Ohio Senate unanimously. It's in the House Judiciary Committee
Speaker 1: and looks like it's going to move forward. So the
Speaker 1: big question a while with them, because you're listening this going, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I, you know, like to go out and have
Speaker 1: a few drinks or smoke or whatever it is, can
Speaker 1: you explain like what the problems they're trying to fix.
Speaker 2: So there's two issues in under Ohio viilaw as it
Speaker 2: relates to marijuana and marijuana by products. When we consume
Speaker 2: a marijuana product, the chemical compound that gets us high
Speaker 2: makes this happy, hungry, sleepy, whatever is delta nine THCHC
Speaker 2: or what's commonly referred to as THHC. THHC then breaks
Speaker 2: down into something called hydroxy THCHC, which is the first
Speaker 2: past metabolite that further breaks down into something called carboxy THHC.
Speaker 2: And under the current law, it's there is a per
Speaker 2: se limit for metabolites and for actual THC. And when
Speaker 2: I say a per see limit. Most people are familiar
Speaker 2: with alcohol, it's point oh eight. If you're a point
Speaker 2: o eight or higher, you're guilty. It doesn't matter whether
Speaker 2: you're buzzed or hammered or not. Same thing with marijuana.
Speaker 2: Prom with this is especially as it relates to the
Speaker 2: metabolites is CARBOXYPHC. We currently have a limit of thirty
Speaker 2: five nanograms in urine, and it doesn't matter if there's
Speaker 2: thirty five nanograms of carboxy in your urine or thirty
Speaker 2: five million. It has zero psychoactive properties. What that means
Speaker 2: is it doesn't affect your ability to do anything. It
Speaker 2: doesn't make god, it doesn't make you hungry, doesn't make
Speaker 2: you tired, It doesn't affect your ability to stand, walk, talk,
Speaker 2: or most importantly drive. So we've had this loss for
Speaker 2: a number of years now, and anyone even prior to
Speaker 2: the legalization of recreational marijuana. If you went to Las
Speaker 2: Vegas and you got highs a kite and legally in
Speaker 2: Las Vegas under Las Vegas ball not federal law. Course,
Speaker 2: when you fly home and get in your car and
Speaker 2: cross over the river into Ohio, you're guilty because this
Speaker 2: carboxy THC metabolite is stored in your fat cells, and
Speaker 2: it's going to be there's gonna be a different retention
Speaker 2: period forever.
Speaker 1: Got so instead of kind of bringing around with all
Speaker 1: the numbers in that Jeff Metters, what you're saying is is, basically,
Speaker 1: this would be like, we know that the alcohol is
Speaker 1: a component with beer or wine or whiskey that gets
Speaker 1: you drunk. Alcohol obviously evaporates quickly, you metabolize it fairly
Speaker 1: quickly compared to this and once it's gone to suit
Speaker 1: side of your system, but there could be some components
Speaker 1: in that wine or beer whiskey that remain in your
Speaker 1: body because it's a nutrient for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: and it's going to hang around till your body digest.
Speaker 1: I'd be like testing for those components of it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It'd be like the apple flavor in I don't know,
Speaker 1: Crown Royal, for example, hangs around longer than the alcohol does.
Speaker 1: Be Okay, we got you because you've got too much
Speaker 1: apple in your system. Same thing here. It's a component
Speaker 1: that doesn't get you high, but it's an after effect
Speaker 1: and artifact from the original product. So you know, it
Speaker 1: could be two days, three days, which is why when
Speaker 1: you have a drug test, you know, okay, well I
Speaker 1: can't smoke for thirty days because it takes that long
Speaker 1: for those metabolites to get out of your system. You're
Speaker 1: not high in day twenty nine, but the metabolites are
Speaker 1: still there.
Speaker 2: Correct, And actually alcohol Scott has a metabolite. It's called
Speaker 2: apple gluecoran EID or ETG. It hangs around in your
Speaker 2: body for up to eighty hours. And some probation departments
Speaker 2: who you know, they do urine test for ETG to
Speaker 2: see if probation or inter drinking. So that'd be like
Speaker 2: testing people that leave a judicial fundraiser, a prosecutors fundraiser,
Speaker 2: e Lodgy testing them two days later, Hey, you're guilty,
Speaker 2: and that would be moronic. So, but what SB fifty
Speaker 2: five does. There is a per se limit for actual
Speaker 2: THHC presently of two nanograms in your whole blood, and
Speaker 2: SB fifty five raises that from two to five. And
Speaker 2: in doing a little bit of prep for our discussion
Speaker 2: this morning, I actually found an article that was submitted
Speaker 2: by an opponent of Senate Bill fifty five, and it's
Speaker 2: a seven page letter that is actually I was very
Speaker 2: skeptical going into it. But I read and I'm like,
Speaker 2: this guy's pretty smart, and it talks about how people,
Speaker 2: based on scientific studies, chronic users of marijuana product can
Speaker 2: test five nanograms any time of the day when they're
Speaker 2: not impaired whatsoever. And the crux of this letter to
Speaker 2: the Senate was that any per se limit for marijuana
Speaker 2: is still advised. And again it's it's based in some
Speaker 2: pretty solid studies. There was one study from a guy
Speaker 2: over in Europe that I've actually attended some of his
Speaker 2: lectures right in aw Jones, And this is actually cites
Speaker 2: actual science, which oftentimes our General Assembly doesn't well, they.
Speaker 1: Don't want to look at Jeff Meadows.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It made me think of what we've just talked about
Speaker 1: previously with like the CBD you know, can't drink bands
Speaker 1: and stuff because the craft beer industry is fading out
Speaker 1: and a local brewery's Ryan Geist fifty West, all those
Speaker 1: guys are coming up with new products. And it was
Speaker 1: you know, CBD infused or THC infused drinks, and there's
Speaker 1: a nuance between the THC that you extract from and
Speaker 1: you know, from from hamp and from from marijuana, and
Speaker 1: there's a nuance there, and I get that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to mingle the two together. But point it is
Speaker 1: people drinking and go wow, I like the feeling better
Speaker 1: than alcohol by drinking these THC and fused drinks that
Speaker 1: comes from hamp and not marijuana. Would would this all
Speaker 1: get caught in there too? So someone who's maybe you go, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't you know. I don't use
Speaker 1: tin cheer, I don't smoke, I don't do edibles, but
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the THHC infused beverages. Would would people also
Speaker 1: be subject to this? Does that work as well?
Speaker 2: So the short answer is yes. Delta THHC, which is
Speaker 2: largely what's derived from the hemp product, can cause you
Speaker 2: to test positive or over certain limits depending on the
Speaker 2: frequency and quantity of use for the marijuana metabolite. So
Speaker 2: Cinebill fifty five was a wife bipartisanville. It passed the
Speaker 2: Senate unanimously, and now it's in the House Judiciary Committee,
Speaker 2: and it completely eliminated this metabolite section of our OVII
Speaker 2: Wall forty five eleven nineteen of the Higher Revised Code.
Speaker 2: So first glance, it's awesome because it completely gets rid
Speaker 2: of the per se component of metabolite. It does say
Speaker 2: that a finder of facts, whether it's a judge or jury,
Speaker 2: can consider a chemical test namely learned along with any
Speaker 2: other competent evidence, an officer's observation, you know, what he smells,
Speaker 2: what he sees on your performance. But the problem again
Speaker 2: is that the carboxy THHC, which is typically the only
Speaker 2: thing you're ever going to see identified any urine test,
Speaker 2: is not psychoactive, so there shouldn't be impairment psychomotor skills
Speaker 2: or fields based solely on marijuana.
Speaker 1: MATAE interesting does that well? Actually, by the way, Jeff Meadows,
Speaker 1: he's an attorney metals law from one of the great
Speaker 1: ov I attorneys. It's Ohio Senate Bill fifty five. And
Speaker 1: even if you don't live on know how, you should
Speaker 1: know this because it changes our ov E laws and
Speaker 1: basically the way it changes metabolite testing for OVA metabolizer
Speaker 1: will fill over the byproduct from using thhc so marijuana
Speaker 1: or in this case, some of those thhd infused beverages
Speaker 1: that the state legislatures will wound up cleaning up, so
Speaker 1: you can continue to enjoy those, if you drink those,
Speaker 1: if you smoke edibles, whatever. You could be jammed up
Speaker 1: in this thing because the metabolites or this hang around
Speaker 1: much much longer than the effects, the high effects that
Speaker 1: you'd have. It's kind of like, you know, doing a
Speaker 1: breathalyzer test after you had a few drinks three or
Speaker 1: four or five or twenty nine days later. It's not fair,
Speaker 1: And I wonder. I can't help but think that this
Speaker 1: is like a de facto way to get people to
Speaker 1: use less marijuana, because we know the state legislature absolutely
Speaker 1: hates anyone who uses marijuana. They fought tooth and nail
Speaker 1: against all this thing for whatever reason. Is this a
Speaker 1: way to undermine the demand for it?
Speaker 2: That's a good question. Are telling what they're thinking. But
Speaker 2: you know, there's some good language in this, like I said,
Speaker 2: eliminating the person day limits for the metabolize, you know,
Speaker 2: and if you're sitting at home in the evening watching
Speaker 2: Super Troopers and then marijuana, you shouldn't be convicted of
Speaker 2: an ov I for driving to work the next day
Speaker 2: when the active THHD is gone.
Speaker 1: He is a Jeff Meadows Attorney's a lawyer, scientist, the
Speaker 1: metals law firm. Ov I guy, and again it's an
Speaker 1: Ohio Senate Bill fifty five pass unanimously, a change ov
Speaker 1: I laws. If you got pulled over on a Friday.
Speaker 1: Let's say you get pulled over on a Friday night,
Speaker 1: take me through that stop. If you had some of
Speaker 1: these metabolites in your system. Let's say you're out having
Speaker 1: some of those beverages that have THC in them. Maybe
Speaker 1: you did that on Friday and it's now Sunday and
Speaker 1: you get pulled over before lane violation and the officer
Speaker 1: suspects that you have you've been pulled over and you've
Speaker 1: been using I don't know, either alcohol or that type
Speaker 1: of drug. How do you defend that? What's the process
Speaker 1: like from the first out?
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, Scott, I mean this is the starting point.
Speaker 2: If I'm going to go out and have beverages, I
Speaker 2: actually uber from home. That way, I'm never tempted to
Speaker 2: drive you home. Yeah, and it amazes me. I still
Speaker 2: have a job with all the rideshare opportunities. But if
Speaker 2: you do, because it is legal to drink and then
Speaker 2: get in the cars, why there's parking lot at every bar. Right,
Speaker 2: you know, always be polite, respectful, hand your documents to
Speaker 2: the officer. Quite frankly, I'm a fan rolling the window
Speaker 2: all the way down. This bull craft of cracking your
Speaker 2: window and sliding your license out. Everybody knows what that's about.
Speaker 2: Your hiding something. Just roll your damn winded down and
Speaker 2: give them your documents. Let that car air out a
Speaker 2: little bit. When they ask you if you've had anything
Speaker 2: to drink or smoke or edibles, I think at that
Speaker 2: point you just invoke your constitutional right. The officer, I'd
Speaker 2: like to have an attorney if you want to question me.
Speaker 2: I really don't want to answer any questions. It is
Speaker 2: none of their business where you're coming from and where
Speaker 2: you're going to. So when they say so, where are
Speaker 2: you coming from? Officer, not answering that question? Where are
Speaker 2: you headed? Not answering that question either. If you want
Speaker 2: to keep questioning me, I'd like to talk field lawyer.
Speaker 2: We can call Medos right now. His numbers three h nine,
Speaker 2: jeffs my mood right. When they tell you to get
Speaker 2: out of the car, get out. They've got fifty thousand
Speaker 2: bolts on their hip to coerce you if you don't.
Speaker 2: And then I recommend nobody do feel sobrieties, especially the
Speaker 2: eye test when they're moving their finger or pin across
Speaker 2: your field of vision. They're looking for a neurological condition
Speaker 2: called nice stagnus. Most of the people who administered the
Speaker 2: test on a regular basis have more education than these
Speaker 2: officers do. They're called brain surgeons, and it's a test
Speaker 2: that's administered routinely every day in neurology and ophthalmology offices.
Speaker 2: These are people that have significant education and experience. When
Speaker 2: you've got an officer doing these tests and you're looking
Speaker 2: into the sun, you're looking at rotating lights. They're doing
Speaker 2: it on the side of the road with cars going
Speaker 2: buy a fifty five or eighty miles an hour. Overwhelmingly,
Speaker 2: Now that we have body warn camera, I can zoom
Speaker 2: in on my client's face and see that there is
Speaker 2: verifiably no nice stagnats, even though the officers believe they
Speaker 2: see it. And I don't think they're lying when they
Speaker 2: put it in their own Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's confirmation by it, right, Yeah, And that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That's why you never you know, you have lawyers and
Speaker 1: judges and they get pulled. They never take the test.
Speaker 1: You just say, listen, I'm not doing anying. I'll talk
Speaker 1: to an attorney, can they force you to take a
Speaker 1: blood alcohol test, you've got to get a quart order
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you got to have a war Yeah. And
Speaker 2: you know, like the doormat at my in my house
Speaker 2: has come back with a.
Speaker 1: Warrant, come back with a warrant. Yeah, that's a bad
Speaker 1: and that's that's just one on one kind of stuff there.
Speaker 1: But they changed these laws and then you wonder, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: is it just gonna make it? Is? Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it a de facto way to prevent people from enjoying
Speaker 1: what we wanted and that is recreational and in cases
Speaker 1: medicinal marijuana and Ohio is Jeff Meadow's attorney with the
Speaker 1: Metals law firm. What's that number again?
Speaker 2: Five nine, Jeff is myself. Hopefully it's going to be
Speaker 2: going up here tonight. Well, I hope not.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is, it's like, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: you represent your clients very very well, you're the best, uh,
Speaker 1: but at the same times, like you shouldn't do it,
Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have to call Jeff And because it's
Speaker 1: a it's a pain in the ass. From what I understand,
Speaker 1: I've never done it. I hope never have to call you, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I'm trying, in my almost sixty years of life never
Speaker 1: to do that. So all the best, buddy, have a
Speaker 1: good one. I appreciate the insight. Thank you two. Have
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