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Speaker 1: What are you saying. Let's go to Robert. Robert welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Gary.

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Speaker 4: Really appreciate your show and it's full of information. I've

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Speaker 4: got a house that has some red oak floors that

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Speaker 4: are in pretty good condition. I'm considering refinishing them myself.

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Speaker 4: My curiosity comes in when I read about the drum

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Speaker 4: sanders and really taking the grit off of the floor.

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Speaker 4: It seems a little more advanced, but I've been reading

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Speaker 4: a lot about the square or rectangle orbital sanders that

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Speaker 4: they've got that seems to be more entry level or

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Speaker 4: user friendly.

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Speaker 2: A little more user friendly, I think also you kind

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Speaker 2: of try to factor in and I think you already

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Speaker 2: have You told me the floor was in decent shape,

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Speaker 2: so you're kind of looking at refreshing it, so I

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Speaker 4: So with the orbital standard that I guess my question

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Speaker 4: might be it starts with kind of a higher grit

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Speaker 4: and it's not really that aggressive where you can kind

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Speaker 4: of clean the surface and then and then refinish it

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Speaker 4: from there.

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends what your description of refinishing is. So

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Speaker 2: the refinishing, a total refinishing would be almost using, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting pretty aggressive with it. You'll use a stage of

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Speaker 2: different grits. You're basically taking the finish off, you're taking

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Speaker 2: the stain out, you're sanding those boards down. And with

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Speaker 2: a regular drumsander, you know, that's more aggressive. So the

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Speaker 2: you know, keeping it level, keeping it smooth, is a

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Speaker 2: little bit more difficult if you're using an orbital sander,

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Speaker 2: and the floors, you know, even just in decent shape.

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Speaker 2: There's another way of refinishing that some people use. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying you have to do this. You can take

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Speaker 2: it all the way down just like you can with

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Speaker 2: the drumsander. But if you wanted to just use the

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Speaker 2: very very fine grit and kind of go over that

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Speaker 2: surface and not compromise the stain and reseal that floor,

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Speaker 2: that's an option.

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Speaker 1: Too, Okay.

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Speaker 4: So by doing that, it just kind of takes up

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Speaker 4: maybe some of the very finite little marks in there,

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Speaker 4: and then you just reseal it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so a lot of times that your floor, you know,

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Speaker 2: it starts looking a little dirty, it starts having scratches

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Speaker 2: in the f and it starts looking a little warm,

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Speaker 2: but it hasn't really compromised the wood, It hasn't really

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Speaker 2: compromised the stain. And then you would just go over it,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean I'm talking to a very light grid.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking four and five hundred grid with an orbital sander.

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Speaker 2: If you want to get more aggressive, you can use

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Speaker 2: an orbital sander. It's just more forgiving than a drumsander,

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Speaker 2: because you're covering, you know, an area and not just

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Speaker 2: running a streak down the center and trying to keep

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Speaker 2: that wood flush.

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm explaining it well enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I follow you on that. So when another

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Speaker 4: question I've got is I'm a little confused when they

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Speaker 4: then recoding with you know, polyurethane or whatever it may be.

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Speaker 4: What's the difference between the tours that's won the same,

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Speaker 2: Would say, I would say they're one and the same.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you are, there are some products out

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Speaker 2: there like Bona has made where the seeing is really minimal.

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Speaker 2: It's more of a cleaner and a restore, if you will.

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Speaker 2: And then the next step would be going through that

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Speaker 2: we just did with the you know, five hundred grit,

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Speaker 4: Just to refreshing or bring it back to life.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes in new wood or a new floor. Sometimes back

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Speaker 2: in the older times when you used all solvents, they

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Speaker 2: would dilute the first solvent varnish or euthane by like

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Speaker 2: ten percent. But and maybe they're calling that to seiler,

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Speaker 2: but I would say, if you're just if you're doing

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Speaker 2: the eurethane two coats. I don't know where the sailor

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Speaker 2: would come in your your your wood will be sealed

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Speaker 2: with the protectant.

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Speaker 4: And then one last question. You know, there's a couple

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Speaker 4: of little spots where it seems like it's it's the

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Speaker 4: red oak is kind of gray, and I don't know

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Speaker 4: if that's maybe some water damage at the entrance or

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Speaker 4: you will, to get that out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And if it's right at the edge, you

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Speaker 2: might take a look at an edge or cyander to

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Speaker 2: rent those where you're just up against that. But usually

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Speaker 2: graying of wood is either caused by sun or water.

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Speaker 2: We see some of that fading of the stain and graying.

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Speaker 1: Of the wood.

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Speaker 2: And some of the more modern homes were a huge

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Speaker 2: transom windows right above the entry door, and you got

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Speaker 2: a nice wood foyer, and maybe you don't have the

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Speaker 2: V ray and we do get some discoloration. I just

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Speaker 2: went through it at my house trying to match up

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Speaker 2: some stain in a dining room versus that fouryer and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen.

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Speaker 1: We tried, Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: talking about, is a back bedroom you know that had carpet,

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Speaker 4: you know, for one hundred years and then it was

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Speaker 4: pulled off years ago, and it's just kind of it

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Speaker 4: feels flat and a little discolored. Not necessarily from the sun,

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is another thing to think about. Wood

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Speaker 2: floors are really tricky. In fact, wood with stain and

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Speaker 2: protectants are really tricky because when you go buy paint,

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Speaker 2: you're buying, you know, sunshine yellow, and everybody's sunshine yellow

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Speaker 2: got people standing you know, red oak, white oak, maple,

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Speaker 2: and those stains all look different. They they all look

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Speaker 2: totally different, so trying to blend them together can be challenging. Also,

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Speaker 2: little bit abrasive, especially.

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Speaker 1: With a lot of walking on it.

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Speaker 2: You pull that up, it's kind of been protected by

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Speaker 2: euthane that was used, you know, it comes in flat

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Speaker 2: satin semi gloss. I've even seen eggshell gloss, and you

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Speaker 2: they won't match just because the reflection from the finish.

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Speaker 4: Sure, So okay. And then if I decided to go

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Speaker 4: like per square foot per project? Generally speaking? How does that?

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Speaker 1: How much that work? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yes, they would generally charge that and just get somebody. Well,

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, perfect, Well, I appreciate your insight on that.

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Speaker 2: All right, back at it we go talking a little

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Speaker 1: Let's get to Sharon. Sharon welcome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a question.

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Speaker 7: Well, I kind of don't want to do that because

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Speaker 7: Because that wouldn't be hard because we already have a

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Speaker 2: Well there's people that believe me, they just they just

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Speaker 2: Take care there are there's a couple of things, you know.

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned the asbestos. There's also some home test

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Speaker 2: Think I'd rather have a professional company test that. Radon

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Speaker 2: To test for radon properly, you should turn off any ventilations.

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Speaker 8: inches about an inch tall, and it's exposing that press

438
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Speaker 8: board underneath. Okay, yeah, so that's the task.

439
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

440
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: So the press board is mixtures of glue, so it's

441
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: not all woods. So the wood hardeners it will help

442
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: to a degree. But the way you describe it to me,

443
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 2: where it's kind of compromised, there's some divots out of

444
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 2: it's pulled some off, it's broke down a little bit.

445
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 2: If you're looking at you know, trying to patch that

446
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Speaker 2: in and stand it out to get it to match.

447
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: Number one, know that it won't look like the lambinate.

448
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: All right, it'll come close, you might be able to

449
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: come close, but a lamin will usually have a grain

450
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Speaker 2: in it, and you're not going to get a grain

451
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Speaker 2: in bondo. Okay, So it does bondo in a lot

452
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Speaker 2: of wood patch materials out there, whether you know it's

453
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Speaker 2: an epoxy wood a POxy, which is probably the best

454
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: you can use, but bondo will do fine too. I'm

455
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Speaker 2: not here to tell you it's not what I would do.

456
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Speaker 2: If you want to give it a try, just get

457
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Speaker 2: some of that bondo. It is stainable. Know that the

458
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Speaker 2: kind of stain you get is just not going to

459
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Speaker 2: have the variations that you're going to have in a

460
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Speaker 2: laminate because those are like pictures, really is what they are.

461
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: Lamon is compressed paper and then that last piece has

462
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Speaker 2: got the grain in the color, and then plastic goes

463
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: on top of that and it's compressed and it's glued on.

464
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Speaker 2: So we'll get a color. It won't look like paint.

465
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Speaker 2: You'll probably have to use. You probably guess and probably

466
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Speaker 2: do it more than once.

467
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Speaker 1: You might answer. And what you might even do.

468
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: Is get a piece of wood, I don't care what

469
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Speaker 2: kind of wood you use, and just put a layer

470
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Speaker 2: of bondo on it, just you know, maybe eight ten

471
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: inches long, and play with it. You know, if you

472
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: got it looks like wanting to me. And you get

473
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Speaker 2: some min wax wanted stain, put a little on there,

474
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Speaker 2: hold it up and you say, oh, heck no, that's

475
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: not even close. I need to have some red in there.

476
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: And maybe you get a little mahogany stain and you

477
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: mix that in there with the wanted stain, so you

478
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: got you're gonna have to play with it. It's it's

479
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: not like color cards with you know, with paints where

480
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: you just get you know, walnut tree color and it's

481
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 2: they're all the same. So so you're probably you know,

482
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: it'll take stain to answer your question. It will take stain.

483
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: You won't have the variations, but you might have it

484
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: close enough. But if it's in the back might be

485
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: good enough.

486
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Speaker 8: Yeah, And that that is the case here. It isn't

487
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Speaker 8: a back, and as you said, sometimes it ain't going

488
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 8: to be perfect. It'll be good enough. You know you

489
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 8: mentioned epoxy, hadn't thought about a little different product, But

490
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 8: what was your thinking there? Some kind of just a

491
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Speaker 8: generic two part epoxy and kind of trow it into

492
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Speaker 8: the uh into that particle board, is what you were thinking?

493
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Speaker 8: Or how would you address that?

494
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Speaker 9: I wonder, Well, the epoxy wood that I was speaking of,

495
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 9: that is it's just a very pliable.

496
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Speaker 1: Wood putty is what it is.

497
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so you would not even know that it's an epoxy.

498
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: In other words, it's not a true epoxy where you're

499
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: mixing hardener and resin. It's an epoxy fortified wood patch

500
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: would be the best way to.

501
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Speaker 8: I see what you're saying.

502
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Speaker 1: So it's as.

503
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Speaker 2: I had another thought too. You know, there's many different

504
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: kinds of stains. There's a semi transparent stain, which you

505
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: know most of us shoes with the min wax may

506
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: wear staining woodwork, the front door, whatever. But they also

507
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: make a solid color stain, which I'm always against. But

508
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 2: this would be a really good spot to use a

509
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: solid color stain. So what a solid color stain is

510
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: is it's the color of wood. Unlike brown paint. It's

511
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: a true color of walnut. You don't care if you're

512
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: going to hide wood grain because there is no wood

513
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Speaker 2: grain and you can brush that on, So that might

514
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: be better than using a semi transparent. Semi transparent can

515
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Speaker 2: go on there, but what do you highlighting? You're high

516
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: lighting a flat pack. So you know, maybe just using

517
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: a solid color stain or a varnish stain is what

518
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: it's called. It's got to protecting in there, and it's

519
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: the heavier body that might be better. Or if you want

520
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: to use a stain, a gel stain would be kind

521
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: of the meat you halfway point that gel?

522
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Speaker 8: Would that be water based or oil based?

523
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: Uh? Probably be a solvent based, Yes, solving base. They

524
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Speaker 1: make a.

525
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Speaker 2: Gel stain in a water base in a mid wax product,

526
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Speaker 2: I think they do, but uh, the general one you

527
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: get in a yellow label would be a solvent.

528
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Speaker 8: Based in the in the yellow labels solvent based. Yeah,

529
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 8: that's okay. You know, I'm wondering that going back to

530
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 8: that playing that that stainable bindo or I'm at the

531
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Speaker 8: epoxy the packs who would leave all like a glossy

532
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Speaker 8: finish that would have to be torn down right to

533
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 8: make the stain adhere to it.

534
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: No, it'll be it'll be just it'll look like just

535
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: regular wood patch. It really will. Okay, yeah, yeah, no,

536
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: it really will. Just it'll just be. It'll be it'll

537
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: have a higher degree of hardness to it.

538
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Speaker 8: Higher degree hardness. That's quite the hardness of that would

539
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 8: hardener product, but something it'd.

540
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: Be more substantial though, Like if you were going to

541
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Speaker 2: try and make that wood a pox on a piece

542
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: of dry rotted wood, you wouldn't necessarily have to scrape

543
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: away all the dry rotted wood, which is kind of

544
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: like what we would be talking with particle board. That

545
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: liquid wood hardener would just solidify the fibers in that cement.

546
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: But see that's where we getting away from being like

547
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: a particle board. It's no fibers chips, you.

548
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Speaker 8: Know, you bring a point up. I got a wood

549
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 8: window that the real bottom has some well let's call

550
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 8: it dry rot out of a better term your experience.

551
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 8: I noodled on the internet university, and the suggestion typically

552
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 8: is to remove that compromise or that dry rotted wood.

553
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 8: And that's why I bought the wood hardens product, was

554
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 8: to harden the surrounding wood, and then the thought being

555
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 8: to apply bono again a wood filler. But I'm wondering

556
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Speaker 8: if you ever had an experience trying to repair wood

557
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 8: with would harder.

558
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I've used it multiple times. I don't

559
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: know about window frames, but I'm thinking of a door frame.

560
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: I know I've used where the bottom six inches had

561
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: a little bit of peeling paint, and once I got

562
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: into it, it was you know, it was dry rotted.

563
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: I scraped some of the dry rotted wood out. You

564
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to, but I wanted to have a

565
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: good patch, so I scraped it out and then used

566
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 1: the uh liquid wood hardener to create a good base,

567
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: and then came back with the wood of pecks pox

568
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Speaker 1: to make the patch.

569
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Speaker 8: To make the patch, okay, use with a POxy then okay.

570
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a website.

571
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Speaker 2: It's called abatron Aba tro o N and it's got

572
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 2: wood epox and it's got the liquid wood and you

573
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: can read up on it.

574
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: But that's not appreciate that.

575
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good stuff, and it's designed to be

576
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: used really even in historic comes where you need really

577
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: big patches, like at the bottom of a column or

578
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: like a bomb. I wouldn't be able to tackle that.

579
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: But these two are real fine products and they work together.

580
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Speaker 8: Yeah, but trying. Yeah, thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, yeah,

581
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Speaker 8: very good. In fact, I bought a kit from Now

582
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Speaker 8: I'm thinking back on it. I did purchase a kit

583
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Speaker 8: from that, but trying to do a trial on recurring

584
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Speaker 8: that wood frame. So thanks for reminding me about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, let's just kind of back up a little bit,

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Speaker 2: because we didn't really talk about buying logs.

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Speaker 1: We talked about stacking logs.

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Speaker 2: And there's multiple things that cause soot in a gas fireplace,

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Speaker 2: and one of them, quite honestly, is the logs not

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Speaker 2: being properly stacked the way it shows in the manual.

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Speaker 1: So you need airflow through that to get the flame

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Speaker 1: through that to keep it burning clean. Other things that

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Speaker 1: cause that soot to accumulate on the logs is you know,

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Speaker 1: it could be the gas pressure. It could be the

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Speaker 1: burner alignment, it could be those types of things where

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Speaker 1: that flame on that pilot light isn't blue, it's yellow.

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Speaker 1: It's just not burning hot enough.

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Speaker 2: But one of the things that I was emphasizing yesterday, James,

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Speaker 2: is if you can even go online and pick up

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Speaker 2: the manual for those particular logs, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: them even stacked the same, and look at the diagram

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Speaker 2: and you know, restack the logs, that that may very

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Speaker 2: well help. Taking a paintbrush and dusting the soot off

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Speaker 2: the log itself may help, but looking at the flame

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Speaker 2: is really the key. If you see a yellowing of

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Speaker 2: the flame more than that, you know, nice blue flame,

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Speaker 2: it probably needs to be surfaced serviced. Maybe it's the

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Speaker 2: burners clogged a little bit. Maybe it's not getting enough

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Speaker 2: oxygen that I don't know. That's why you would have

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Speaker 2: it serviced.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But I would have to assume. Logs have a

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Speaker 3: life cycle like everything, So I you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: seven years, five years, ten years.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what. I think. The logs in

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Speaker 1: my home were over fifteen years old.

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Speaker 3: I think. What so when this was installed brand new,

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Speaker 3: I didn't know there was a science of stacking those.

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Speaker 3: But I understand what you're talking about because I'd moved

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Speaker 3: them and I could see the flame change. So I

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Speaker 3: changed out the little charcoal fake you know whatever, the

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Speaker 3: lava rock, and I put glass beads in there. I thought,

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Speaker 3: I thought the glass beads would be better than the

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Speaker 3: black lava rock, and I did research if they're compatible,

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Speaker 3: but it appears that what I saw that they are compatible.

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Speaker 3: How would I Okay, I was thinking that the lavas

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Speaker 3: the rocks were causing the suit, the suit to be built.

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Speaker 2: Up on the l I don't think so, because they're not,

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Speaker 2: you know there the lava rock. It just kind of

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Speaker 2: adds to the ambiyond and not really you know, the

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Speaker 2: flame or anything that guess filters through it and it

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Speaker 2: just and it glows when it gets hot enough, so

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Speaker 2: it looks like embers.

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Speaker 1: That is the purpose of that.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Well, I never really liked the logs, to tell

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Speaker 3: you the truth. I think they're kind of they are expensive,

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Speaker 3: but I never liked the log design that they put

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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 1: So I, well, there you go. That's your answer.

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Speaker 3: Well, when I get those, you're telling there's there's going

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Speaker 3: to be a diagram in there how they're stacked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part, there is yes, yes, And

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Speaker 1: if you're looking at them in the store, they'll be

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Speaker 1: properly stacked. You can ask them that. You can take

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Speaker 1: a look at the manual, but my.

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Speaker 2: Experience is yes, there is a diagram on exactly how

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Speaker 2: to stack that log, and like I said, there's some

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Speaker 2: universal ways of stacking the logs too.

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Speaker 1: Don't get too hung up on that. Get the kind

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Speaker 1: of log you want and the look you like and

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Speaker 1: go from there. All right, James, thanks much for the call.

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