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Speaker 1: Power two Twin Cities News Talk, and we were just

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Speaker 1: discussing on the show, playing some clips from Marco Rubio

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Speaker 1: about the length of time Operation Epic Fury will continue

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Speaker 1: for Israel apparently says that they expect their portion of

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Speaker 1: the mission to go for another one to two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Now what that means to the United States, I do

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Speaker 1: not know, but that's what Israel is currently saying. My

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Speaker 1: name is John Justice in the Master Control booth next door.

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Speaker 2: That would be Devin.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the comments we've already heard this morning

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Speaker 1: from the iHeartRadio app you talk Backs, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Lyndal Reelty. We'll get to those as we dive

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Speaker 1: into the congressional hearing yesterday that took place where Governor

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls and Keith Ellson pretty much took a stampce

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Speaker 1: of acting as if they didn't understand things, looking aloof

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Speaker 1: and con used. Now, granted, this isn't hard for either

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Speaker 1: of these fools, but this is the tactic that they chose.

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Speaker 1: Just looking very sort of consternated. I'm not sure why

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Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm not sure what is you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I have very few expectations regarding consequences coming out of

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Speaker 1: hearings like this. I've let my opinion be known on

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Speaker 1: this issue several times that these hearings frustrate me, and

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Speaker 1: it happened again yesterday, although not as bad as the

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Speaker 1: last time that Governor Jim Walls was in front of Congress.

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Speaker 1: But those answering asking the questions Republicans, I mean, both

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Speaker 1: sides do this, but Republicans in this case are the

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Speaker 1: ones that's frustrating because they're the ones that are trying

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Speaker 1: to hold individuals like Ellison and Walls accountable. They don't

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Speaker 1: allow them the opportunity to just talk. Just let them speak,

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Speaker 1: because they're going to go and say something dumb.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe have a lot of audio to share with you,

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Speaker 1: and I want to hear your thoughts on it as well,

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Speaker 1: but my expectations are we got this stuff on record.

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Speaker 1: It further cements Governor Tim Walls and his legacy as

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Speaker 1: a failure and continues to add to that.

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Speaker 2: Keith Ellison now from.

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Speaker 1: Fox nine the Congressional Report revealed prior to yesterday's hearing,

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Speaker 1: and then questioned during the hearing that Minnesota ended up

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Speaker 1: resuming funding to the Feeding Our Future scandal in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. Despite the fraud concerns, this had contradicted Governor

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls's claim that a court order mandated the payments. Now,

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Speaker 1: this report also highlighted the state's difficulties in halting the

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Speaker 1: funding due to the USDA regulations and lack of support

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Speaker 1: from the USDA Office of Inspector General. So during the

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Speaker 1: hearing yesterday, Tim Walls was exposed and this was one

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Speaker 1: of the bigger moments from the hearing, ended up being

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Speaker 1: exposed for resuming the taxpayer payments to these Somali fraudsters.

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Speaker 1: Basically he was caught lying about it. Here the payments

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Speaker 1: are restarted and here he's talking with Representative Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 1: The payments are restarted.

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Speaker 3: Why didn't you tell the truth about why you restarted

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Speaker 3: the payments?

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Speaker 4: Well, Chairman, we did tell you and feeding our future

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Speaker 4: grew because of the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: And asked that question, I said, why didn't you tell

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Speaker 3: the truth about why you restarted the payments? The payments

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Speaker 3: stopped because there were concerns. Obviously he wouldn't stop the payments.

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Speaker 3: Then they restarted a month later. What was the reason

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Speaker 4: My understanding was that the agency believed that the court

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Speaker 4: had required them to make those payments, and.

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Speaker 2: That was false, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: I think that he said that, didn't you?

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Speaker 2: You said the reason you restarted because the court origin

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Speaker 2: you to do so. Is that right?

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Speaker 4: I don't believe that is settled yet, to the best

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it is because the Court did something

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Speaker 3: that I just don't I don't know if I've ever

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Speaker 3: seen it. They issued a statement saying you were and

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Speaker 3: what you were saying. This is from the court. It says,

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Speaker 3: feeding our future versus Minnesota Department of Education, correcting reports

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Speaker 3: and statements by Governor Tim Walls concerning orders issued by

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Speaker 2: Here's what the judge says.

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Speaker 3: Governor Tim Walls told the media that the Minnesota Department

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Speaker 3: but that Judge Gouthman ordered payments to continue in April

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. Next sentence, that is false. So you

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Speaker 3: said something wasn't true. He further states, this judge gotain

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Speaker 2: One or at any other time. So I want to

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Speaker 5: You tell the truth, Congressman.

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Speaker 4: The attorneys at the Department of Education interpreted that differently.

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Speaker 5: Both of those judges are no longer on the bench.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's the.

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Speaker 3: Very first sentence, the first seven words. This is not

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Speaker 3: This is not some anonymous source talking to whatever your

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Speaker 3: Minnesota starved from being or whatever your paper is. This

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Speaker 3: is the court speaking, first sentence, first seven words, due

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Speaker 3: to inaccurate statements by the governor, Ramsey County District Court

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Speaker 3: Judge has issued and authorized that this following news released.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty straightforward. So the court's lion.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you, Congressman, with the interpretation lion, somebody's

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Speaker 3: lying because if you can't say the court ordered you

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Speaker 3: didn't order you to restart the payments. So either your

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Speaker 1: By the way, that was one of Those's a couple

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Speaker 1: of different moments in this there's a couple of different

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Speaker 1: moments in this clip wherein I wish that Representative Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 1: who we've had on the show and I have a

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Speaker 1: tremendous amount of respect for. But again, like everybody Republicans,

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Speaker 1: when they're doing these these these questions and answers, I

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Speaker 1: everything in, but man, there's just those moments where I'm like,

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Speaker 1: just let Walls talk because he can't. You're almost giving

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Speaker 6: Tim Walls was cut lying and what's going to happen

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Speaker 6: to him?

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Speaker 2: Probably nothing. He's not running for governor anymore.

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Speaker 1: This just further cumments his legacy as a complete failure

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Speaker 1: in terms of governor of the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: I just simply know what the attorneys at the agency

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Speaker 4: believed that it was a misinterpretation, and I would note

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Speaker 4: that those mean you.

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Speaker 3: Were trying to hide behind the court, governor. Could that

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Speaker 3: maybe be the reason why you issued the statements you

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Speaker 3: you're wrong, the governor is wrong. His statement is theirs

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Speaker 3: not mine?

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Speaker 2: False? Could that be the reason?

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Speaker 4: That was not the interpretation of the attorneys? And and

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Speaker 4: as you well know.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure they're all about politics.

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Speaker 2: Governor.

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Speaker 5: No, it's certain it's about taking care of our people,

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Speaker 5: which it doesn't better than anyone else.

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Speaker 3: A million, the Behavior in Invention program went from three

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Speaker 3: million to four hundred million in five years. The housing

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Speaker 3: stabilization went from two point six million one hundred and

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Speaker 3: four million.

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Speaker 1: Again, a wall's got cut off there, but he made it.

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Speaker 1: He tried to get in the comment of it's about

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Speaker 1: taking care of people, and Minnesota does that better than

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Speaker 1: anybody else.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: This state has a tremendous amount to offer. There is

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. It's the reason why I'm here,

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Speaker 1: my family's here, why many of us decided to stay here.

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Speaker 1: But to sit there and talk about apart from the

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Speaker 1: lying regarding the actual issue the Representative Jim Jordan was

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Speaker 1: bringing up to sit back and say that we take

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Speaker 2: No, you don't. You do the exact opposite.

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Speaker 1: Under Governor Tim Walls's watch, we've had more more recently,

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Speaker 1: violence plaguing the streets of our largest metropolitan areas over

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Speaker 1: an inability to have local law enforcement assistant federal law

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Speaker 1: enforcement in enforcing the laws to arrest individuals to make

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Speaker 1: our streets safer. They've made them less safe in the process,

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Speaker 1: while allowing billions upon billions of dollars to be lost

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Speaker 1: my money and your money because of the rampant fraud

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Speaker 1: that happened under his watch, because his party created programs

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Speaker 1: The only reason why they care about the fraud is

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Speaker 1: because they got caught, because they have to go to

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Speaker 1: DC and sit in these hearings, and because it ended

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Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls and his current political aspirations.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to a few of your thoughts.

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Speaker 6: Every time we have one of these hearings, I just

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Speaker 6: it just angers me frustrating because nothing ever comes.

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Speaker 2: Out of it.

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Speaker 6: Yes, ooh, you get to make some headlines. The left

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Speaker 6: don't care about that. They only care about pain. You

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Speaker 6: they did.

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Speaker 1: They're correct, but charges have to be brought about and

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Speaker 1: political career is coming to an end. But even beyond that,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what charges you would be able to

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Speaker 1: here's a little bit more of the testimony between Representative

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan and Governor Tim Walls talking specific about the

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Speaker 1: aspect of this fraud being committed by a majority of

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Speaker 1: Somali immigrants here in the state.

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Speaker 2: Governor, who's Casey Magan.

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Speaker 5: I don't know who Casey Megan is.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you, mister Magan is a Somali American and

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Speaker 3: a fraud investigator. And the guy besides you's office in

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Speaker 3: the Attorney General's office.

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Speaker 2: And here's what he said.

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Speaker 3: There was a perception that forcefully tackling this issue might

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Speaker 3: core voting block. Did that have anything to do with

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Speaker 3: this whole fraud scheme that went on in your state, Governor.

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Speaker 5: It did not. Congressman did not.

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Speaker 3: So now you're saying, mister Casey Magan is a lie,

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Speaker 3: is lying too.

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Speaker 5: I'm not.

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Speaker 3: You're the only one telling the truth in the whole state.

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Speaker 3: Mister Magan, who's a fraud investigator at the Attorney General's office, says,

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Speaker 3: it's politics.

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Speaker 4: The courts said, couldn't speaks. You asked me a question.

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Speaker 4: I know, I said no when you asked me the question.

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Speaker 3: And I'm saying, Casey Magan said, just the eyes don't know.

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Speaker 3: The court's wrong, and Casey Maggan's wrong. You're the only

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Speaker 3: guy right. How many people have been indicted in your

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Speaker 5: Do you know, Governor, I don't have those numbers with me.

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Speaker 3: Don't ninety eight people been indicted? You'd happen to know

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Speaker 3: how many are Somali American?

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 4: We don't investigator prosecute people based on ethnicity, really.

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Speaker 2: Do what we shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 3: But mister Megan is a Somali American who just said

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Speaker 3: that the one of the concerns was this the core

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Speaker 7: Going, John, good boy, and that clip with Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 4: Did you notice that they have what's called a Trump

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Speaker 8: John? You're correct, There's probably not much in terms of

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Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls Attorney General Keith Ellison ignored repeat warnings

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Speaker 9: Hey, John, you know a lot of times we'll say,

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Speaker 12: I pay my taxes?

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Speaker 12: We don't have the services that we need to support.

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Speaker 10: What does he call him?

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Speaker 1: My biggest takeaway from that exchange is that Representative Michael

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe perhaps we shouldn't have This didn't work out

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Speaker 4: News Talk, continues to tell lies about our electoral system,

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Speaker 2: What does that have to that's our governor?

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Speaker 1: Everybody to City's News Talk Am eleven thirty and one

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Speaker 5: Try harder not to suck.

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Speaker 1: There's a headline right now that's uh failed everything. Kamala

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Speaker 2: After the primary. Well, yeah, he's kind of the only

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Speaker 1: We'll get his thoughts on this congressional testimony yesterday of

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Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls Keith Ellison. Also this Reverend Mariah Tollgarden

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 13: Good morning, John, This is Chad from Anoka. Yeah, listening

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Speaker 13: to that oh so called reverend Methodists out of Saint Paul,

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Speaker 1: Or I you know, for me, I think it's probably

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Speaker 2: I just doesn't seem to know her Bible very very well.

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Speaker 14: Let's go here, John, I'm on your side and I'm

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Speaker 5: Thanks, But you have to be patient, Kat, These.

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Speaker 14: Investigations are ongoing, and you need to have evidence, just

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Speaker 14: to convict people. There are paper trails that leave the

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Speaker 14: money from the fraudsters to these politicians, and they're trying

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Speaker 14: to find it out. But remember Steve Simon, Jimmy Walls,

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Speaker 14: they're not turning over files, so it's going to take

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Speaker 14: a while to get it.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree, and that's what I was alluding to

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Speaker 1: earlier in my commentary. But I am with everybody else

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Speaker 1: going Okay, yeah, that's great, and I do hope that's

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Speaker 1: the case. But how often do we really go and

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Speaker 1: see people held accountable. Look, it's really frustrating is when

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Speaker 1: you see it happen over in Europe Epstein files get

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Speaker 1: dropped and suddenly got individuals over there dropping life flies

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Speaker 1: and getting hauled away. All right, just two more things

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Speaker 1: and then we'll talk with our with our guest. I

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Speaker 1: do appreciate your your comment. Let's go here to the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 15: John, why didn't any of the Republicans bring up this

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Speaker 15: fraud at the last government governor election.

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Speaker 5: No, all they wanted to do was ban abortion.

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Speaker 15: They didn't care about fraud either. All they wanted to

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Speaker 15: do was ban abortion.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So just briefly your knowledge of that past election

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Speaker 1: and the timeline regarding fraud.

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Speaker 2: You need a little education regarding that.

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Speaker 1: First off, Republicans were talking about fraud, but it was

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Speaker 1: mostly because of feeding our future. We didn't see the

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Speaker 1: level of exposure of fraud until the past couple of years.

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Speaker 1: When you go back to twenty twenty two and you

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Speaker 1: look at the coverage of fraud that we've had in

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Speaker 1: the state, the explosion in the requests for funding in

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Speaker 1: these various social service programs was only just ramping up

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Usually go back to twenty twenty one and really.

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Speaker 1: Got bad under the DFL trifecta. So we didn't know

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Speaker 1: the extent at the time. And I know this because

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Speaker 1: I was here on the show talking about these issues.

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Speaker 1: We knew about some fraud. Were was concerned about daycare fraud,

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Speaker 1: and we talked about that, but it was nothing compared

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Speaker 1: to what has been exposed since that election. One more

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Speaker 1: clip from yesterday and we'll talk with our guests. This

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Speaker 1: is Representative Byron Donalds pressing Governor Tim Walls on the

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Speaker 1: whistleblower intimidation that we've reported extensively on the show, as

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Speaker 1: have others, and what.

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Speaker 16: But he was licensed in your state under your law

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Speaker 16: that you signed about a year and a half ago.

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Speaker 4: Every day we give licenses and people's speed so we

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Speaker 4: ticket them and try and stop that. What I'm telling

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Speaker 4: you is, I don't understand the connection between.

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Speaker 16: He's here illegally, he can't read, and he got a

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Speaker 16: license under camp provisions, and he's driving all across the

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Speaker 16: country imperiling everybody else.

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Speaker 2: And that that's on me.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that clip was actually Tim Walls giving

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Speaker 1: a pathetic excuse after getting exposed for giving driver's licenses

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Speaker 1: to illegal aliens. So we're working off about fifteen clips

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Speaker 1: this morning, so that happens sometimes. Joining us now, very

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Speaker 1: pleased to welcome back to the show for Americans for Prosperity.

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Speaker 2: Regional Communications.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, Jake Coleman, you're not the regional communications manitor.

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Speaker 2: That's Josh Delk. But good morning, Jake Coleman. How are

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Speaker 2: we doing this morning, sir?

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Speaker 5: Good it's good to be on John.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. What is your official title over

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Speaker 2: at AFP.

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Speaker 17: I am the State Director of Minnesota, So I've got

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Speaker 17: all of our operations in the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: I got my wires cross based off of my notes

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Speaker 1: in front of me. But thank you for joining the

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Speaker 1: show once again. What's your instinctive reaction to this, to

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Speaker 1: the testimony from Governor Tim Walls and Keith Ellison yesterday

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Speaker 1: in Congress.

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Speaker 2: You know a couple of things.

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Speaker 17: First of all, Tim Walls and Keith Ellison are an embarrassment.

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Speaker 17: They're an embarrassment to the state of Minnesota. Their an

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Speaker 17: embarrassment to this country. Thank god Tim Walls is not

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Speaker 17: the Vice President of the United States. Thank god we

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Speaker 17: have jd Vance there guiding President Trump, especially considering the

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Speaker 17: times that we're in today, and you know they are.

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Speaker 17: It's it's embarrassing again. I hate to keep using that word,

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Speaker 17: but it's really the only one I can use. It's

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Speaker 17: embarrassing how they unashamably tried to deflect blame over a

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Speaker 17: problem they you know, not just part of creating, but

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Speaker 17: also grew to a monstrous scale that is impairing the

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Speaker 17: economic life of every Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, going having spent some time with the clips

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Speaker 1: now watching a majority of the testimony yesterday, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm often befuddled by the Democrats and their response to

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Speaker 1: certain lines of questioning wherein they could present a level

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Speaker 1: of honesty that they refuse to do so while they

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Speaker 1: try to keep up particular narratives, and I watch these

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Speaker 1: and I go, well, you could go and actually get

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Speaker 1: into further detail and explain yourself. However, during this hearing,

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Speaker 1: and this was apparent in the last hearing, Governor Tim

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Speaker 1: Walls specifically, he takes this very sort of aloof stance,

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Speaker 1: as if to say, I wasn't aware of these things

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Speaker 1: or I'm not sure what it is that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: And to me, Jake, it really does point to the

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Speaker 1: gravity of the fraud and it exposes how complicit they

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Speaker 1: are in it, because there is no spin to any

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Speaker 1: of this. There is nothing really that they could say

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Speaker 1: that makes any sort of rational sense about how they

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Speaker 1: did allow this to happen under their watch. And as

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Speaker 1: many people have pointed out this morning again talking with

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Speaker 1: Jake Coleman from Americans for Prosperity, you know, there's frustration

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Speaker 1: because many individuals don't believe there's going to be any

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Speaker 1: sort of accountability.

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Speaker 2: Do you see merit in hearings like this.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a possibility that, given enough information

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Speaker 1: and testimony from hearings like this, that we could see

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Speaker 1: down the road some accountability of both of these individuals.

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Speaker 5: Well, I hope.

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Speaker 17: So, I mean that's really the goal of this, right

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Speaker 17: We want to make sure that we're holding everyone accountable,

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Speaker 17: and we also have to make sure that people remember

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Speaker 17: that this is a huge issue going on in the

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Speaker 17: state of Minnesota. You know, there's been a lot happening

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Speaker 17: here over the last six months. There's a lot happening

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Speaker 17: in the world right now, and sometimes stories can get

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Speaker 17: lost on the next news cycle. I think it's important

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Speaker 17: that these hearies continue because we need to continue to

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Speaker 17: show the American people and the people of Minnesota how

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Speaker 17: bad things have gotten here. I mean, our legacy media here.

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Speaker 17: The Start Commune is an absolute joke. They do nothing

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Speaker 17: but carry water for Tim Walls and the Democrats. I mean,

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Speaker 17: the editor in chief of the Start Communion is a

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Speaker 17: former staffer and employee of Tim Walls, and it's we

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Speaker 17: need someone that's willing to shine a light and ask

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Speaker 17: the hard questions to the leaders of this state because

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Speaker 17: outside of you and a couple other people, no one's

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Speaker 17: wanting to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was wild to see. And granted this is online,

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Speaker 1: and I don't put a lot of stock in this

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Speaker 1: because if you break down the you know, the actual

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Speaker 1: percentage of the American public and you get into state demographics,

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Speaker 1: not as many people are you know, sitting there on

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Speaker 1: x scrolling through their feed as one might believe.

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Speaker 17: That.

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Speaker 1: Being said, you're absolutely right, it was really interesting to

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Speaker 1: launch how during this congressional hearing you had local media

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Speaker 1: outlets just preemptively putting out the spin even before the

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Speaker 1: testimony began, and enduring the testimony, attempting to go and

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Speaker 1: paint a rosier picture of what was actually taking place.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you and I both know that this just.

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Speaker 1: Ends up increasing the difficulty it is to get the

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Speaker 1: truth out to the people of Minnesota ahead of this

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Speaker 1: year's this year's elections. Let me ask you this again,

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Speaker 1: talking with Jake Coleman from Americas for Prosperity, we have.

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Speaker 2: A legislative session going on.

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Speaker 1: We've had changes that have been made in terms of

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Speaker 1: the investigations and these programs. We've had some programs shut down.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that at the moment, we've blunted or

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Speaker 1: stunted the fraud that's been taking place.

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 1: Because I think that's the question a lot of people have, is, Okay,

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Speaker 1: have we done anything currently to sort of bring it

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Speaker 1: and to the to the rampant fraud, even though we

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Speaker 1: know it's probably still taking place. Do you think we've

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Speaker 1: we've done enough so far to reign in this.

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Speaker 17: I think we're starting to, but I don't think we've

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Speaker 17: done enough. I think there's more that has to be done.

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Speaker 17: I think that you have Again, if Tim Walls is

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Speaker 17: barely willing to admit that it even occurred, I mean

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Speaker 17: he's sitting up there saying, I had no idea this

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Speaker 17: was happening. We have whistleblowers that the committee talked about.

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Speaker 17: I think Jim Jordan, Representative Jordan from Ohio said, we

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Speaker 17: have people that said they were telling you about this

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Speaker 17: and they were punished and they were attacked.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 17: I think that what what we need right now is

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Speaker 17: we need to continue to dig into this. I mean,

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Speaker 17: it seems like every week we're finding a new program.

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Speaker 17: What the the autism crisis that we're dealing with it

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Speaker 17: was one million dollars in funding in twenty seventeen, and

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Speaker 17: by up to now it's now three hundred and nearly

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Speaker 17: fifty million dollars. I mean, if you can't, if you

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Speaker 17: can't tell by that that there's a problem, then you're

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Speaker 17: either not paying attention or you're complicit.

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Speaker 2: Let's play another clip.

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Speaker 1: We can share our thoughts on and talking with Jake

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Speaker 1: Coleman from Americans for Prosperity. In this clip here, Tim

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Speaker 1: Walls couldn't or simply wouldn't answer the simple question about

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Speaker 1: the massive increase in the autism program spending in the state.

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Speaker 11: Much money was spent on autism in Minnesota in twenty seventeen, Governor, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't have those numbers in front of the Congress.

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Speaker 12: Did you prepare for this hearing today?

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Speaker 2: Did you do it?

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Speaker 5: I think Congress seriously.

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Speaker 11: And you've seen the numbers about autims.

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Speaker 1: He's talking with Representative Nancy Mays here fraud in Minnesota.

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Speaker 11: So we're going to do some Minnesota math with you today.

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Speaker 12: Okay, are you ready? How much money was spent.

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Speaker 11: On twenty seventeen for autism in Minnesota?

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Speaker 12: How much?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I wasn't the governor.

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Speaker 11: Okay, did you not just say that you prepared for

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Speaker 11: this hearing today?

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Speaker 12: One million dollars?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 11: A quick Google search or using your AI could tell

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Speaker 11: you one million dollars was spent how much money was

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Speaker 11: spent on autism in Minnesota in twenty twenty four. I

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Speaker 11: don't have a number in front of me as you

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Speaker 11: governor in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 5: I was, but I'm not the Okay, So your.

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Speaker 11: Excuse before that you didn't know what two thousand and

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Speaker 11: seven teen autism numbers were because you were not governor,

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Speaker 11: And today you can't answer the numbers about twenty twenty

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Speaker 11: four as governor, and you still.

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Speaker 12: Said you're prepared for this hearing today. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 11: Three hundred and forty three million dollars was spent in

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty four. What percent increases that from one million

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Speaker 11: to three hundred and forty three million?

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Speaker 12: What percentage increase is that?

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Speaker 5: I'm not here to be your prop Go ahead and

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Speaker 5: tell me.

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Speaker 12: Wait, are you governor of Minnesota or not?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 12: I am, I'm not well, I'm governor of South Carolina.

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Speaker 11: You can sure as held that that I'm going to

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Speaker 11: know the math? The math is thirty four two hundred

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Speaker 11: percent increase, an increase of three hundred and forty three times.

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Speaker 12: What it was in this time period.

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Speaker 11: Do you know the number of children in Minnesota?

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Speaker 5: I know that Minnesota ranked as a top three.

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Speaker 11: State for children population in Minnesota five point seven million. Okay,

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Speaker 11: what is the total population of children in Minnesota? I

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Speaker 11: don't have the number in front of me, right, are you,

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Speaker 11: Governor of Minnesota?

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Speaker 4: I know four hundred thousand were cut out of health care?

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Speaker 4: L were you made?

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Speaker 12: Are you governors of Minnesota?

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Speaker 5: I am?

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Speaker 11: And you don't know the number of children residing in specific.

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Speaker 1: Numbers, you know, Jake, Again, there's two different parts, so

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Speaker 1: two different comments that I have on this one. I

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Speaker 1: do still get frustrated at the way, regardless of political party,

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Speaker 1: the way the question the way the questioning breaks down.

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Speaker 1: I really do wish that they would just allow the individuals,

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Speaker 1: especially with Walls and Ellison, to just provide as much

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Speaker 1: testimony as they want, because they're going to end up

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Speaker 1: stepping in it if they If they do that. Being said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm wondering how much training this time around,

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Speaker 1: Governor Tim Walls may have gone through to simply act

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Speaker 1: aloof and confused during this particular hearing because he was paid.

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Speaker 1: He paid out quite a bit last time he had

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Speaker 1: to go to to DC.

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Speaker 17: Right, Yeah, last time, I believe it was in the

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Speaker 17: in the realm of four hundred thousand dollars. He said.

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Speaker 17: He hired the same firm, but they couldn't give us

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Speaker 17: an estimate of what it costs this time. And frankly,

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Speaker 17: if he has to pay to act aloof and confuse,

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Speaker 17: that that's embarrassing because it seems like he does that

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Speaker 17: pretty naturally being confused.

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Speaker 1: Talking with Jake Coleman for Americas for Prosperity, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the legislative session, we're not in a budget year,

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Speaker 1: we're in a bonding year. That being said, I know

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Speaker 1: that we've been looking at budget forecasts and it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of a mixed bag of being in better shape

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Speaker 1: short term than we are going to be in long term.

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Speaker 1: The issue that I have is, I mean, how do

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Speaker 1: we even go about down the road addressing the budget

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Speaker 1: if we haven't gone and fixed this problem of fraud.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the past they've kind of baked the

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Speaker 1: fraud numbers in to our economic forecast here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: But with the level of fraud that we've endured. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how do you get to any sort of sound fiscal

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Speaker 1: numbers relating to, you know, the future outlook of the

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Speaker 1: state to end proposing a potential budget. Well, I do

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Speaker 1: think that's a big part of it.

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Speaker 17: John, You're right, we have to take first a hard

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Speaker 17: look at where is all of this money going? And

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Speaker 17: I think part of the problem right now is you

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Speaker 17: have Democrats that are so afraid to admit that it's

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Speaker 17: occurring because it's occurring on such a large scale and

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Speaker 17: it's costing us so much money that they prefer to

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Speaker 17: just assume that's a natural part of the budget. I

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Speaker 17: think you need real competent leadership that's going to dig

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Speaker 17: deep into the numbers and say, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, where do we have a problem.

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Speaker 17: Where can we Where have we seen over the last

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Speaker 17: you know, six years, a thirty four thousand percent increase

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Speaker 17: or growth in an area that that should be a

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Speaker 17: place that we should take a strong look at as

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Speaker 17: to see is that money being spent appropriately. I think

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Speaker 17: since they since they asked for autism centers to license themselves,

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Speaker 17: what one percent have asked to be reauthorized or relicnsed?

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Speaker 17: I mean, that tells you how big the problem is there.

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Speaker 17: And and I think after that, you know, we have

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Speaker 17: to start looking at our budget the way that every

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Speaker 17: family and every person in Minnesota does. There's got to

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Speaker 17: be a needs bucket of wants bucket and nice to

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Speaker 17: have and we have to fill out the needs bucket

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Speaker 17: first and then we can have the wants and then

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Speaker 17: we can have the nice to have. And that just

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Speaker 17: hasn't how it's been done under Democratic control here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Talking with Jake Coleman Americans for Prosperity, I know you

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Speaker 1: guys have been busy, certainly keeping an eye on the

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Speaker 1: legislative session. What has what is Americans for Prosperity been

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Speaker 1: doing as of late? I know you guys are working

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Speaker 1: on holding you know, holding our politicians, our Democrat lawmakers

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Speaker 1: accountable for this fraud. But I'm curious what efforts you

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Speaker 1: guys have been involved in recently.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean, look, we're out in the field every day.

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Speaker 17: We're knocking about thirty five hundred doors a week, and

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Speaker 17: as it gets warmed up, will increase that number. It'd

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Speaker 17: like to be at about ten to fifteen thousand dollors

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Speaker 17: a week. Talking to your friends and neighbors about what's

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Speaker 17: going on in Saint Paul, holding the legislature accountable for

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Speaker 17: fraud and the decisions they're making. We're you know, we're

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Speaker 17: working to cut the red tape of government and lower

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Speaker 17: the cost of government so small businesses that are can

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Speaker 17: thrive in our occount.

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Speaker 5: And we can grow.

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Speaker 17: We're looking at increasing educational opportunities for kids so they

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Speaker 17: have more places that they can go to school and choose,

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Speaker 17: and the families can choose the school that will best

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Speaker 17: fit and educate their children. And we're looking to cut

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Speaker 17: out waste in the government. We're trying to find a

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Speaker 17: way to put a budget in place that can't that

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Speaker 17: can't grow eighteen ten and with a kay they can't

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Speaker 17: waste waste an eighteen billion dollar surplus and increase taxes

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Speaker 17: ten billion dollars.

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Speaker 2: We're looking for stable, controlled growth.

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Speaker 17: Something that every Minnesota can can understand and there's a

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Speaker 17: little bit of certainty when you're making your decisions.

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Speaker 1: Jake Coleman, Americans for a Prosperity the website Americans for

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Speaker 1: a Prosperity a dota Org. Anything else that you'd like

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Speaker 1: to add before I cut you list this morning and

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Speaker 1: thank you for the time today.

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Speaker 17: I appreciate it. I appreciate being on John. You know,

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Speaker 17: I just I ask everyone to not give up hope

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Speaker 17: we have. We have a good opportunity here in the

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Speaker 17: state of Minnesota coming up this next election, and if

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Speaker 17: everyone is willing to get out there, get involved, they

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Speaker 17: can make an actual difference so we can turn this

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Speaker 17: state around.

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Speaker 1: Jake, again, great to talk with you. Look forward to

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Speaker 1: the next time you and I have a chance to

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Speaker 1: us speak, and keep up.

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Speaker 2: The great work.

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Speaker 5: Thanks John.

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Speaker 1: Bill Glawn, Center of the American Experiment, has a piece

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Speaker 1: a's been turning our attention over to Keith Ellison. He

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Speaker 1: writes this morning at at Americanexperiment dot org. There are

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Speaker 1: probably fewer than one hundred people in America who would

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Speaker 1: understand the importance of a forty seven second exchange during

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Speaker 1: the marathon four hour and twenty minutes US House Oversight

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Speaker 1: Committee hearing.

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Speaker 2: And to his point, I was unable to find the actual.

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Speaker 1: Clip of this because it's relevant to you and I,

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Speaker 1: but you know, not to the larger issue that they

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Speaker 1: were talking about regarding fraud. The brief sequence does get

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Speaker 1: at the heart though of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison's nonfeasance, misfeasance,

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Speaker 1: and malfeasance in regard to the multi billion dollar welfare

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Speaker 1: fraud play game the state. Now the segment that Bill

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Speaker 1: Golng calls attention to and involves Representative timber Chet and

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Speaker 1: the general topic of Feeding our Future, everyone will recall

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Speaker 1: Ellison and his friendliness with the Feeding our Future fraudsters,

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Speaker 1: which was captured in a forty five minute audio recording

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Speaker 1: that was first published by American Experiment. That topic came

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Speaker 1: up frequently during the hearing. Although the half billion dollar

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Speaker 1: free food scandal bears the name of the nonprofit Feeding

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Speaker 1: our Future, hundreds of other nonprofits were involved in the

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Speaker 1: fraud as well. Not only does Ellison serve as the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Chief Legal Officer, he is also, by law, the

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Speaker 1: lead regulator of nonprofits across the state. And this is

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Speaker 1: where things get interesting. In October of twenty three, more

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Speaker 1: than a year and a half after the Feeding Our

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Speaker 1: Future scandal broke, Ellison made a big point about suing

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Speaker 1: a couple of dozen other nonprofits involved in the scandal.

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Speaker 1: At the time, Bill glh said he found the lawsuits

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Speaker 1: odd as they did not seem to be aimed at

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Speaker 1: accomplishing any real useful goal other than to gain Ellison

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Speaker 1: some cheap publicity for doing something to address the fraud.

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Speaker 1: Most notably, Ellison did not demand the return of any

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Speaker 1: stolen money from the nonprofits. Now you've had forward three years,

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Speaker 1: and Representative Burchett asks about two of the nonprofits sued

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Speaker 1: by Ellison, Partners in Nutrition and the Youth Leadership Academy.

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Speaker 1: So this is Partners in Quality Care as well, and

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Speaker 1: also the Gargar Family Services. Not to be confused with

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Speaker 1: Jar Jar from Star Wars. Not that anybody was. I

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Speaker 1: just felt like saying Charger. Burchette notes the two nonprofits,

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Speaker 1: as did the others, settled their cases with Ellison without

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Speaker 1: giving up anything of value in return. Burchette asked Ellison

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Speaker 1: why he didn't prosecute the nonprofits criminally. Ellison replied in

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Speaker 1: the moment that he has no power to do so. However,

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Speaker 1: that answer from Allison contradict his statements that he made

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Speaker 1: under oath earlier in the hearing, admitting he does have

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Speaker 1: the power to prosecute frauds, including frauds other than medicaid cases.

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Speaker 1: Reconsidering the matter and light of Burchette's questioning, Bill Glant

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Speaker 1: has another theory, both Partners in Nutrition or Partners in

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Speaker 1: Quality Care excuse me. Partners in Nutrition and Gargar and

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Speaker 1: other nonprofits featured prominently in the scandal were mentioned frequently

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Speaker 1: during the two courtroom trials involving Feeding our Future, yet

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Speaker 1: have never been charged criminally. Could the nonprofits use their

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Speaker 1: settlements doing nothing with my fingers with Ellison as a

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Speaker 1: shield against future prosecutions or lawsuits filed by a future

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Speaker 1: US attorney or attorneys general. Could they claim that the

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Speaker 1: matter was settled with Ellison and raise something akin to

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Speaker 1: a double jeopardy argument. At the end of the sequence,

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Speaker 1: Burchett requests Ellison's resignation, to which which Bill Glon says

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Speaker 1: he could not agree more.

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Speaker 2: I actually have that clip or.

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Speaker 18: PIQC is accused of three hundred million in fraud his

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Speaker 18: significant assets, yet no charges and no attempts to recover

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Speaker 18: taxpayer money. I'll remind y'all nineteen billion dollars. I was

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Speaker 18: a state legislator and I can remember when our state

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Speaker 18: budget was nineteen billion dollars. This is money that's been

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Speaker 18: stolen and it will not be recovered. And you all

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Speaker 18: are to blame, and every dad gat one of you

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Speaker 18: all how to step down.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, mister chairman.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to your comments from the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: few more clips from the House Committee hearing yesterday on fraud,

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Speaker 1: which Governor Tim Walls Thankeeth Ellison.

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Speaker 2: We're testifying.

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Speaker 1: Also the DFL's proposals to limit ice already stalling during

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Speaker 1: the legislative session.

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Speaker 2: And wait until you hear the details about.

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Speaker 1: How the mini apple was Sydney Clowncil members are going

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Speaker 1: after the police chief, specifically because they believe police didn't

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Speaker 1: do more during the ice surge against the federal ice agents.

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Speaker 2: You cannot make this up.

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Speaker 1: I'll share with you the details coming up here on

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