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Speaker 2: three o'clock. That is Central Standard time. Welcome back. It

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Speaker 2: is a Wednesday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program

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Speaker 2: on a decidedly overcast, murky weekday afternoon here in the

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Speaker 2: Twin Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul Guards.

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Speaker 3: He produces the program. My name is Dan Barrero. I'm

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Speaker 3: the occasional host of the show.

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Speaker 2: Former Inkstain Retch newspaper of the Twin Cities, and we

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Speaker 2: were we're delighted to be be here, and we're delighted

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Speaker 2: that you're along for at least part of the ride

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Speaker 2: today between now and six point thirty going the distance today.

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Speaker 4: We are at least for now, yes on demand into

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Speaker 4: wild hockey. I believe there's a lot going on tonight,

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Speaker 4: our last wild game before the break. I believe you're right.

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Speaker 4: This is it roster freeze. I think just took hold

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Speaker 4: really can't do anything.

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Speaker 2: Continue to monitor the wires as we get ever closer

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Speaker 2: to the NBA trade deadline, which is what twenty three

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Speaker 2: hours from now two o'clock Central time tomorrow afternoon. Wolves

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Speaker 2: have done nothing, although now there is some speculation that

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Speaker 2: now that Mike Conley has been a part of two trades,

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Speaker 2: second one that was I think sending him, where's the

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Speaker 2: second one sending him to was it Carolina Charlotte?

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Speaker 3: Charlotte?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that he can now if the wolve's so deem

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Speaker 2: and he's interested, come back here to sign a minimum contract.

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Speaker 2: So is it possible we said goodbye to Mike Conley

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Speaker 2: too soon? Stay tuned, But there will have to be

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Speaker 2: I think to satisfy most Wolves fans, including this one,

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Speaker 2: they'll have to be a little more meat on the

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Speaker 2: bone than just the welcome return potentially of Mike Conley.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned.

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Speaker 2: So, but we'll continue to monitor, We'll keep an eye on,

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Speaker 2: and in fact our three thirty guests will go deep

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Speaker 2: into what the Wolves might do, what he thinks the

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Speaker 2: Wolves should do, and maybe even get his reaction to

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Speaker 2: another blockbuster deal.

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Speaker 3: A street close is on the well.

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Speaker 2: You know that's a good thing about being in street

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Speaker 2: clothes all the time. Right, you just get on a

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Speaker 2: plane because you're already street clothes. You have to change

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Speaker 2: from your uniform and the street clothes you're you're already

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Speaker 2: in the street, Colac going from Dallas to Washington, right.

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Speaker 3: What's his name?

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis? Anthony Davis is on the move yet again

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Speaker 2: as part of a so called blockbuster deal, So we'll

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Speaker 2: get his the our three thirty guests reaction to that

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Speaker 2: as well, I'm not gonna lie to you. I have

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Speaker 2: found myself just fascinated with this Lindsay Vaughn story. As

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Speaker 2: I understand it, her knee is shredded, yeah, but she

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Speaker 2: continues to tell people that she has no intention to

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Speaker 2: not participate in the Winter Olympics in Italy, that she's

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Speaker 2: not going to let it get in the way of

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Speaker 2: Is she forty or forty one? Forty one, forty one

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Speaker 2: years old? And what I've already learned that I admit

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. You're I know, a great downhill skiing mind.

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Speaker 2: The way back, yes, is that there are other skiers

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Speaker 3: They have done this is it's not undoable. It sounds hideous,

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Speaker 2: When the folks who say they've done it have done

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Speaker 2: it before, have they done it successfully? I mean she's

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Speaker 2: And I I gotta tell you, I I find myself

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Speaker 2: rooting for this story, even if sadly it comes at

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Speaker 3: Isn't that said?

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Speaker 2: Because I think this story is kind of like why

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Speaker 2: a column I wrote for the Indiana Daily Dissident, as

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Speaker 3: You're gonna do more damage. It's too dangerous.

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Speaker 2: And then the other side of me is, you're Muhammad Ali, right,

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Speaker 3: We as sports.

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Speaker 2: Fans don't have to live with whatever those consequences are

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Speaker 2: But is it not true that this is the kind

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Speaker 3: Can she do it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's been done before, but can you win

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Speaker 2: a metal doing it?

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Speaker 3: Can you? Can you she do something that dramatic?

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, you say, well, I don't want

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Speaker 2: so much, what could possibly be worth it at this point?

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Speaker 2: But again, it's not me. She gets to decide what

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Speaker 2: whether she can be successful doing it, And isn't it hard?

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Speaker 2: Isn't a human nature to just sort of root for

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Speaker 2: of what a rush it would be for everybody who's

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Speaker 4: It was already an incredible story. The reason why it's

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Speaker 4: gone to another level here in the last week when

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Speaker 4: was down about it, right because we were already looking

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Speaker 4: forward to rooting for in Italy yees, just because she's

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Speaker 4: already come back from a knee injury before this was

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Speaker 3: And then she topped it off today.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw any of her press conference,

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Speaker 4: but at least I'll know. And I'm paraphrasing the rest

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Speaker 4: of that, but she just said, I can't live with

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Speaker 4: least try to see this thing through.

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Speaker 3: There's some interesting.

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Speaker 2: Texts that have already caught sure there are example, isn't

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Speaker 2: this pretty selfish, like there's not a single other American

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Speaker 2: you're fascinating controversy to me because you could make that argument.

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Speaker 4: But we also don't know if others have done it,

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Speaker 4: and doesn't Lindsay Vaughan, of all people, deserve the chance

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Speaker 2: I'm a physical therapist, of all four of Vaughn trying

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Speaker 2: to ski. You're not going to hurt the knee anymore,

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Speaker 2: and you've put in the training, so why not. On

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Speaker 2: the other hand, why is everyone okay with Vaughn doing it?

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Speaker 2: But yet everyone had no problems grilling the Purple When

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Speaker 2: our quarterback was hurt, Carson went and he didn't get

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Speaker 2: As I demanded, and as I think you agreed, he

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Speaker 2: that the box. No, but what if we watch it

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Speaker 2: same kind of pain? Are we going to feel any

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Speaker 2: guilt for egging her on, for encouraging this On the

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Speaker 3: The Bumper to Bumper show.

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Speaker 4: Well, I know, even though she's one of us and

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Speaker 4: she podcasts the show religiously. I don't think anybody tells

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Speaker 4: Lindsay Vaughn what to do straight up right, right, So,

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Speaker 4: but if she does make a couple of runs at

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Speaker 4: Wentz what are they doing?

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Speaker 3: What is she doing?

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Speaker 4: She needs to be careful, But I don't know if

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Speaker 4: I'm in the field, and I don't want to put

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Speaker 4: Carson Wentz in the same conversation as Lindsay Vaughn too

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Speaker 4: much longer with respect to well Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but it can't just be about status. It

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Speaker 2: could be about what you think the suffering is going

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Speaker 2: on at that moment. I don't think any but he

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Speaker 2: the point he's trying to make is how we decide

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Speaker 2: for that athlete to stop competing. Yeah, when we see

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Speaker 2: think the point they're trying to make. I don't think

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Speaker 2: he's trying to say whence has got the same level

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Speaker 3: Achievement.

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Speaker 4: If we see it and she's not doing well and

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Speaker 4: it looks like she's heard of herself, we can always

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Speaker 3: We can. Yes, that's the beauty of it.

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Speaker 4: But when she tells us I'm going to give this

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Speaker 2: Here's a quote from Nick Page, a member of Tmusa Skiing.

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Speaker 2: She said, a new standard for what's possible coming back

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Speaker 2: back at a high level. That's what makes it such a

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Speaker 2: shame to see her down with that injury. But man,

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Speaker 2: it's now like a fairy tale ending. She's going to

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Speaker 2: who can do it, it's her. She is awesome. For

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Speaker 2: the record, She's going to put her knee to the

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Speaker 2: test when she skis in the women's downhill event Sunday

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Speaker 2: FAB eight. That's this Sunday, is it? It is Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl Sunday Fab eight. How about the Lindsey Vaughan injury

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Speaker 2: timeline Feb twenty twenty six torn acl and meniscus in

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Speaker 2: left knee MM twenty nineteen impact injury to the I

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Speaker 2: O N E A L nerve not sure. Twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: Torn lateral collateral ligament and meniscus in the left knee

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Speaker 2: with three tibio plateau fractures December twenty sixteen. Acute facet

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Speaker 2: spinal joint dysfunction. November twenty sixteen. Severely fractured humorous in

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Speaker 2: her right arm Feb. Twenty sixteen, multiple fractures in the

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Speaker 2: left knee, twenty fifteen, broken ankle, twenty thirteen, torn right

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Speaker 2: ACL and me MCL twice, requiring surgery and causing her

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Speaker 2: to miss the twenty fourteen Olympics.

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Speaker 3: Twenty ten Feb.

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Speaker 2: Broken pinky finger That almost seems like it doesn't belong right.

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Speaker 3: They threw that in her pinky two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 2: Microfractures in her left forearm two thousand and nine earlier

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Speaker 2: that year, severed tendon in right thumb.

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Speaker 3: Goodness, it goes.

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Speaker 2: On and on and and then there's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: other things like lacerated thumb, bruises, concussions. I mentioned I

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Speaker 2: think once, the tibial plateau fracture, which sounds ominous. Did

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Speaker 2: I mentioned broken left ankle before. I think I did

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Speaker 2: I doubt she can. I don't I doubt she can

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Speaker 4: Serena Williams is apparently plotting some tennis comeback for later

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Speaker 3: That's what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: Is this true?

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Speaker 2: Vaughn's lacerated thumb came about while opening a bottle of

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Speaker 4: Is that a good joke or is that true? I

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Speaker 4: don't remember. I don't remember, but let's go with it. Yeah, Dan,

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Speaker 3: The argument she's taking a spot on someone else is

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, gentlemen. When will you finish with explaining all

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Speaker 2: lived the baby Skeezes. That's what we used to call her,

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Speaker 3: It's must watch. There's absolutely no doubt about that, Dan.

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Speaker 2: I think the differ between Vaughn and Wentz is Wentz

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Speaker 3: This is from Texter Tony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lindsey is a familiar with also familiar with the

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Speaker 2: on the trades that have been made, trades that not

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Speaker 3: And what else he has heard.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch up a good buddy, sam Mitchell next year

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Speaker 2: To help us digest what has already been consummated and

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Speaker 2: the Connectico Water Systems hotline. I have an injury question

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Speaker 3: That is also true. That's one hundred percent true.

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Speaker 2: So she just suffered a bad acl injury, knee pretty

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Speaker 2: and I am going to participate. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: I am rooting for her. My producer is rooting for

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Speaker 3: Deal with that.

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Speaker 3: You leave it up to the individual athlete.

441
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Speaker 5: Man, You leave it up to the individual athlete. We

442
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 5: cannot legislate what other people choose to do and not do.

443
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 5: She's got the best doctors in the world, she's got trainers,

444
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 5: she's got everybody telling her what she can and can't do.

445
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 5: At the end of the day, is her, It's her decision.

446
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 5: And look, I'm with you if she want to go

447
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 5: down that mountain eighty miles an hour with one leg, God,

448
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 5: I pray for yeah.

449
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: Right, that's fair, that's fair.

450
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: What is the most significant injury in the Sam Mitchell

451
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 2: basketball history where you look back and say I was

452
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 2: an idiot to keep playing despite that, to try to

453
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: play through that injury.

454
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 5: If ever, I don't have one, you don't have no no,

455
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: because Dan, you know I had microfracture surgery right at

456
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 5: the end of one season and I basically finished the

457
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 5: last forty one games on one leg. But you know,

458
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 5: every time I came in that locker room, KG would

459
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 5: look at me and ask me how I felt and

460
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 5: could I go? And he knew I was in pain.

461
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 5: And I think back to the Knights where as sick

462
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 5: as he was, and he played, and Tony Campbell and

463
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 5: we all everybody on that team that was dependent on

464
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 5: to play when we were hurt or sick or whatever,

465
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 5: we sucked it up and played. Man and at the

466
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 5: end of the day year, you do it for the organization,

467
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 5: you do it for the fans and stuff, but at

468
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 5: the end of the day, it comes down to individuals,

469
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 5: and you do it for your teammates because they love

470
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 5: and that locker room that we have for each other.

471
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 5: And then I would include Flipp and Kim mckill and

472
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 5: that man Flipp and Kim McAll even though they were management,

473
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 5: Flip the coach in keV the president, they treated us

474
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 5: like family, and you know we all had history with

475
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 5: each other. So no, man, there's not one injury. I

476
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: look back and say, if I had to do it

477
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 5: over again, I would not have played all right.

478
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 2: The key question here as we approach the deadline is

479
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: whether you will be disappointed if the anticipated move, which

480
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: clearly is the Wolves have serious interest in trying to

481
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: acquire Jannis from Milwaukee, does not take place.

482
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Speaker 3: What do you think.

483
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Speaker 5: The one thing that you cannot do. You just can't

484
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 5: empty the balls to make a trade. You can't make

485
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 5: a bad move just for the sake of making a move.

486
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 5: And you think about Jannis. Look, if you can get him,

487
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 5: go get him. But if you got to give up

488
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 5: Julius Randau Nas and who else you and I was

489
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: talking about Jayden. No, that's too much, man. Look, Jannis

490
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 5: can be at his best better than one and a

491
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: half players on the floor. He's not gonna outplay three

492
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 5: guys because he can't guard three positions at the same time,

493
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 5: and he has the injury history. I would bet you

494
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 5: that at no time where all three of those guys

495
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Speaker 5: that we mentioned as a possible trade for Jannis, we'll

496
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 5: all be out at the same time. But I can

497
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 5: bet you any amount of money you want to that

498
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 5: at some point, Joanna's gonna miss time.

499
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: So for you, it's what the price is that you

500
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 2: you would probably do it, but it has to be

501
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: if that's the price, you think that's too much to

502
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: give up, and you actually end up in a less

503
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: advantageous position than if you didn't make the deal at all.

504
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: Well, we do know this. This team is good enough

505
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 5: to go to the Western Conference finals. We know that

506
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 5: we know this team is good enough to go deep

507
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 5: into the Western Conference. We know they can win games. Now,

508
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 5: if we give up those three guys, then we have

509
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 5: no stop gap. We have nothing to protect ourselves in

510
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 5: case of an injury. So that's just too high. A

511
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 5: price to give up. Then when you start talking about

512
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 5: the picks, since things don't really scare me because no

513
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 5: one knows who those picks are. You know, why do

514
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 5: you think why do you think Danny Ainge did about

515
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 5: facing all of a sudden traded for Jared Jackson junior?

516
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 5: What is he? Year four or five into this rebuild?

517
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 5: How's that going? Look at what Memphis getting ready to

518
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 5: go through. How long is that? Look what Philadelphia? How

519
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 5: long it took for them to get Joel and b

520
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: and Ben Simmons and being in Simmons is not even

521
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 5: there anymore, not even the league, So man teams won't

522
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 5: to be a Look at at Washington, they had a

523
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 5: chance to get Anthony Davis and people like wow. But

524
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 5: they're looking at this saying we got stars, we got

525
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 5: this guy, we got that guy, and we're gonna have

526
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 5: to make a decision on whether pay these guys a

527
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 5: lot of money and they're not there yet, and we're

528
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 5: going to be paying guys on potential, and that's how

529
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: general managers and coaches get fired. Wait, no potential.

530
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: Do the Wolves need to find a guard to start

531
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: to give themselves the best chance moving forward? Or do

532
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: they just need to score off the bench. I mean

533
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: because basically when now Anthony is kind of the de

534
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: facto point guard on this team.

535
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: Well, this is the problem. If you look at the

536
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 5: two teams to me, the two teams in the West

537
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 5: that you got to be concerned about three Denver, okc

538
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 5: in Santonio. Those to two teams okay See and San

539
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 5: Antonio other than Victor, what do they rely on their guard?

540
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: They're quicker, they're fast, say break you down. They cause

541
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 5: a problem, they get into the pain, they start their

542
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 5: chain reaction for the ball moving and then you just

543
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 5: can't catch up and they make shots, and then defensively

544
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 5: they could defend you. The reason san Antonio can beat

545
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 5: okay See is the guards. San Antonio guards say just

546
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 5: as young, a little bit bigger, and just as fast

547
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 5: and explosive. So I thought the Woolves was was doing

548
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 5: these deals to try to get Kobe White. And if

549
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: you put Anthony Edwards and Kobe White in the back court,

550
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: you got a chance because look, Dan, eighty five percent

551
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 5: of players that are in the league today came into

552
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 5: the league as what scores world scores, right, So when

553
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 5: they talk about how bad defense you you got defense bad.

554
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: If eighty five percent of players in your league, the

555
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 5: idea is that before they got the league was offense,

556
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: not defense, So obviously you're you're some of it most

557
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 5: of the time. To get the defense is not going

558
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 5: to be at the park. But when you look at

559
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 5: offensively with Kobe White and that it was could bring

560
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 5: to those guys in the back court, I think it

561
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 5: would give them a legit chance. Again, do they have

562
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 5: a chance. Yeah, but man, the West is brutal, and

563
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: I wouldn't get concerned about doing a bad deal.

564
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: Wy.

565
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Speaker 5: They got to do something to keep asking it words.

566
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 5: Just look over, just look once stayed over and look

567
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 5: at Milwaukee, look at Wisconsin. And because of all those

568
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: bad moves listening to the media, you got it. As

569
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: long as you got youngest, you got to be in

570
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 5: the championship mode. That's a dumb waighted thing. And for

571
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 5: all those people that sit up there on the ESPN

572
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 5: and give all these these commentaries and think that people

573
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 5: need to do these things. They've never managed the team,

574
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 5: they've never done anything. Oh, they don't understand the game.

575
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: And so that's why Milwaukee is sitting them, in my intimation,

576
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 5: looking foolish. Because now they got a trade. And I

577
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 5: said this to a guy, you had Milwaukee had Kareem,

578
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 5: since they've had Kareem, who was the most dumbinant player

579
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 5: they've had other than Kareem?

580
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, to be honest, absolutely.

581
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 5: How long did it take them to get Giannis to

582
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 5: find him after they lost Kareen?

583
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: More than a minute?

584
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 5: Thank you? So how long you think it's going to

585
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 5: take to find a take one? Yeah, that's that's you

586
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: and I alive to see it.

587
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, the honest, here's the interesting thing

588
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: to me about the honest is that you know how

589
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: good he is. I think he's thirty one, But you

590
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: have to you know, part of it is is the

591
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: body starting to break, you know, break down, and you know,

592
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: you know you you're the perfect person to speak to

593
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: this because if you, let's just say, in theory, you

594
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: do still find a way to get him here and

595
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: you pair him with Edwards and you go, man, that's

596
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: two top ten players right in the league. That's let's

597
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: go play and we'll figure something out after that.

598
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: But no, the trend is not.

599
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: That's the trend is not the two headed monster superstar

600
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 2: approach though, right, that's any that these days, it's depth.

601
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: It's lots of wings, like you said, lots of options.

602
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Not so much getting the two superstars.

603
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 5: But if you can get two superstars and put the

604
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 5: team around them, the great a lot of teams. You

605
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: think about this, San Antonio victory is obviously superstars. You

606
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 5: got Darren Fox, you got some other young guys who

607
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 5: can develop into superstars. You got Shay, you got Jay

608
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 5: will Jalen Williams, you got Chet. So there are a

609
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 5: lot of combinations out there. You got Durant and Shangoon.

610
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 5: There are still those two combinations out there, but it's

611
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 5: built a little different than what it used to look like. Look,

612
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 5: I think you can get away with two three. You

613
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 5: can't afford three because now you can't put a team

614
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: around those guys. And so I would never put myself

615
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 5: in a position to where I'm solely depending on just

616
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 5: two players when we've just seen it takes nine to

617
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 5: ten players. You got to have depth in the day's

618
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 5: NBA to win for championship. And I would not give

619
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 5: up all of my u to bring in Gunnis. I

620
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 5: give up some of it, not all of it.

621
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Speaker 2: You mentioned why that dream's dead. He's already been traded

622
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: to all that included. And by the way, Mike Conley

623
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: is in that deal, which I'm told means according to

624
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: the rules, if they let him go or he gets

625
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: bought out, he could technically come back here as depth.

626
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: But I still think Mike has You know, we all

627
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: know how important Mike has been to this organization. You

628
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: know how much of a pros pro he is. But

629
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: he is getting longer in the tooth. His production has

630
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: gone down. And so give me, are there any other

631
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: guards out there, maybe not even with huge names, that

632
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: you think could actually still help these guys, because right

633
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: now Sam Nazried is the only one providing any scoring

634
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: off the bench.

635
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 5: Well, I thought Datas Schroeder could have been one of

636
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 5: those guys, but he got Depp. Yeah, I think yesterday

637
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 5: he could have been that guy. And I thought Kobe White.

638
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 5: But I can't tell you, Dan, I would have to

639
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 5: sit down and see the list of guys that I

640
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 5: think would be available. I just can tell you, man.

641
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: And what it tells you that maybe the Wolves did

642
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 5: this deal strictly for money. And I understand it, man,

643
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 5: that's second apron can be expensive, that that's second tax.

644
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: But this is where we are in today's NBA. Man.

645
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: So you know, I look, I love Mike Conley as

646
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 5: a voice in the locker room, but if you got

647
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 5: to put him on the floor in the playoffs, teams

648
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 5: are just going to attack him. Man. That's not fair

649
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 5: to Mike. That's not fair to the rest of the guys.

650
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 5: Mike cannot guard the position anymore. So when I look

651
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 5: at some possible deals out there, if you can't bring

652
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 5: a guy in that's going to make a difference and

653
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: start for you, then what are you're doing?

654
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: Well?

655
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: As you know, the sad fact is that, you know,

656
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Speaker 2: Rob Dillingham has not come along as quickly as I

657
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 2: think they'd hoped. He's just not None of the young

658
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: guys are in the mix, and to that extent, they're missing.

659
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 5: So wait a minute, a draft pick.

660
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's it.

661
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh okay, that didn't develop? Right, Oh okay. I

662
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 5: some times we've seen this.

663
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: Before too many times, and they haven't replaced nikkil the

664
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: guy you see your Atlanta area. I mean he that's a.

665
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 5: Big killing though. Yes, that's the move that not being able.

666
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 5: You can look back on some of the deals that

667
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 5: they've done and maybe paying Rudy where they had to

668
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 5: pay rooted kept them from being able to keep the kill.

669
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: But think about if they could have held on to

670
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 5: n Kill right now, they would be sacked. I mean

671
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 5: because he's defended, he's scoring, he can knock down the three,

672
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 5: and that size man makes him a guy that can

673
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 5: switch and do a lot of things defensively. So you know,

674
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 5: regardless of what they get, they're not going to replace

675
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 5: that size, that production on offense and definitely not defense.

676
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 5: They had him in the room, they had him in

677
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 5: the building and didn't value him enough and then hold

678
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 5: on to him.

679
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean, here's the deal.

680
00:35:54,719 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: They they said financially they couldn't bring everybody back. They

681
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: they had to make a decision. So it was they

682
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: couldn't keep NAS and him. So the issue was which

683
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: way do you go under that condition?

684
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 5: Julius Randall and nos duplicate each.

685
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: Other in some ways, yes, not but not not completely though,

686
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: because NS now is I should say Randall has now

687
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: become point forward guys, So in some ways yes, some

688
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: ways no.

689
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 5: But they played the rest of the season with him

690
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 5: playing the poor and forward position.

691
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: You're talking about Randall, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could that's true, Well.

692
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 5: Because that's where you've kind of put yourself in position

693
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 5: right now.

694
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Well, they're they're, like I said, their biggest prop. But

695
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: look a year ago their bench included de Vincenzo and Nikiel.

696
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: Nik Kiel's gone and de Vincenzo is in the starting lineup,

697
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: So you could see the problem if if none of

698
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: the young guys are going to step up, they're I mean,

699
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: they're hurting. I honestly don't think they can get back

700
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: to the final four without adding some kind of decent

701
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 2: doesn't they have to be great, but a decent scoring

702
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: piece that you can count on hitting some shots off

703
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: the bench. Because they they're they're utterly dependent on nods.

704
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: They do not get anything else consistently off the bench offensively.

705
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 5: I don't see another major deal out.

706
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: There they can get the problem.

707
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, well not even a small deal, not to bring

708
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 5: back the type of player that can be an impact.

709
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 5: You tell, amount of guy that can either come off

710
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 5: the bench and score for you or a guy that

711
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 5: can start for you. Where's that guy? A bunch of

712
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 5: teams are looking for that guy.

713
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm willing to wait, but let me throw it

714
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: to you this way. If the Wolves don't make even

715
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: a medium sized move and the only move they make

716
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: at the deadline is to save money, would you be

717
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: satisfied with that if you're a Wolves fan given the

718
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: position this team is in.

719
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's for doing a dumb deal, to do

720
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: a deal for the sake of doing a deal just

721
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: don't make sense. Yeah, here's the same how many teams

722
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: have done bad deals because they felt like they just

723
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: need to do something.

724
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 5: True, the Wolves are still a good team the way

725
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 5: they're built and the way the constitutents. No one's saying

726
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 5: they still can't come out the West. The West is

727
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 5: down Southern done. Look at the West. Now, when you

728
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 5: look at the way that Oklahoma City can lose, the

729
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 5: Denver can beat OKAC Now we know San Antonio can.

730
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 5: Who you telling me in the West that Minnesota really

731
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 5: can't beat If they get their defense back right after

732
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: it was Jane Dallis and Rudigobath, those three guys, they

733
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 5: got three guys on the floor in the starting lineup

734
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 5: that could potentially lock people down if they get back

735
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 5: to that mindset which they had two years ago, not

736
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: last year, but two years ago when they were shutting

737
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,720
Speaker 5: people down that team could still compete for a Western

738
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 5: Conference title, but they got to get the coaches got

739
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: to sit down with those guys and remind them if

740
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 5: they if they started back playing defense the way they're capable.

741
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you a coaching question. Follow up.

742
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: You know, the the last game the Wolves played, they

743
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 2: had they had two in a row in Memphis. The

744
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: first one they won, but the head coach Finchy was

745
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: not happy with the way they played and allegedly lit

746
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: into him in the locker Roo.

747
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: McCoy Anthony Edwards.

748
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: They come out the next game, their defense was awful,

749
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: and they lose the game. Memphis, I think had lost

750
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: six in a row previously had some kind of a

751
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: losing streak like that. And after the game, the whole

752
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: approach from Finchy was.

753
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: It's up to them. It's up to them.

754
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: And here's my question, as a guy who's been in

755
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: that share, is it dangerous when a coach starts saying,

756
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: you know, my problem, it's up to them, Because at

757
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: some point I go, wait a minute, it is your

758
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 2: team a little bit.

759
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: So isn't it up to you too?

760
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 5: So let me ask you this question. When you leave

761
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 5: it to them the night before when they won, it

762
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 5: was up to you, and it was up to us

763
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 5: when they come back to the next night and lose.

764
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: Now it's on them. No, it's always we, It's never

765
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 5: me and the coach number one job. Look, man, it's

766
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: like this, Dan, you gonna get the responsibility. The responsibility

767
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: is gonna fall in your lab regards now. If you

768
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,479
Speaker 5: want to leave it strictly up to the players, knock

769
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 5: yourself out. But there's an unemployment line that's littered with

770
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 5: a lot of coaches that have done that. I think

771
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 5: Chris is a good coach and he understands man, and

772
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 5: he's a little you know, he's trying to find that right.

773
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: But when you've been with a team for a while,

774
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 5: the biggest problem sometime is that they get comfortable with you,

775
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 5: and you get comfortable with them, and you sometimes forget

776
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 5: those buttons to push. And that's why it's so important, man,

777
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 5: that your leaders, such your best players, that they manage

778
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 5: the players. If you, as the coach, is still managing

779
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: the players and not managing the game and coaching the game,

780
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 5: then you're in trouble. The good team, the championship teams,

781
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 5: the players run the locker room. The teams, the good

782
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 5: teams I was on in Minnesota and in Indiana, Lad

783
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 5: Brown didn't have to worry about our locker room. We

784
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 5: policed each other. If a guy wasn't doing his job,

785
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 5: a guy's went't playing up to a certain level, we

786
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 5: would talk to him, we would get on him. And

787
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 5: then at a certain point, hey, coach, he needs to

788
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 5: semp for a while. You know, players great teams to

789
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 5: players manage the locker room. Coach can't do that. He's

790
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 5: got a coach. Manage the game, manage to roster, manage

791
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: the minute. Coach the players, keep them pointing in the

792
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 5: right direction. But as far as that locker room, that's

793
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 5: when your leadership of your team should take over.

794
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: Is Anthony Edwards? Do you feel like is he a

795
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: top five player yet? Or do you put him in

796
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: top six or seven? Where is Anthony in his ascension

797
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: and continue him?

798
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 5: I think he's right there. I think if you in

799
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 5: order to be that top five, you're an MVP candidate,

800
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 5: And I think there are weeks where he's there and

801
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 5: then there are weeks. Look, he's I don't care what

802
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: on what night it is. He's a top ten player,

803
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 5: right but if he wants to be that guy, he

804
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 5: wants to be that Kobe, that Michael, that Lebron, that dude,

805
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 5: and it's got to be not You got to dominate

806
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 5: both sides of the ball. You got to become that dude.

807
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 5: And he can do it again. And I remember, man,

808
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 5: Phil Jackson watched something that Phil Jackson said. He said

809
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: to Shack when he first started coaching Shaq, six seven

810
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 5: games into the season, he say, ask Shack, what's the

811
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 5: biggest thing Will did? And Shaq started throwing off numbers

812
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 5: fifty point rebounds. Feels to know the greatest thing Will

813
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 5: Tamblan never did. He played forty eight minutes of every

814
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: game for the whole season. And the reason he was

815
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 5: able to do that because he was in shape. Nick

816
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 5: Saber says it all the time. Lack of condition keeps

817
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 5: you from being at your best. The reason Michael Jordan,

818
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 5: on top of the talent and the work ethic, the

819
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 5: reason he was the best. It seems like he could

820
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 5: go longer and harder than anyone. Why because he trained harder,

821
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 5: He pushed himself harder. And I think as that was

822
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 5: have all those tubes in him, he just needs to

823
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 5: make up his mind whether he just want to be

824
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 5: a top ten player or does he want to try

825
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 5: to be the best player.

826
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: Did the Wolves blow it not taking advantage of the

827
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: opportunity to bring Delo back?

828
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: D'Angelo Russell.

829
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 5: I don't think so, man, No now, because Delo have

830
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 5: a show that that look. You don't have to be

831
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: a great defender technique, damn, but you got to give efforts.

832
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 5: You know, you got to live it on the line, man,

833
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: And I've seen too many nights where he just doesn't

834
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 5: do that. And We're talking about winning the championship and

835
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 5: I'm coaching against you. You put guys on the floor

836
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 5: of that I feel and not committed to one side

837
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: of the mall. I'm going to attack them. And when

838
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 5: you start attacking those guys as a coach, you either

839
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 5: have to take them out of the game or you

840
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 5: got to give them help. You come playoff time, man,

841
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: the team that has to help the least is the

842
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 5: team that's probably going to win.

843
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 3: I agree.

844
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 2: In fact, to me, Delo has always been one of

845
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: the most aggravating players I've ever watched as a pro

846
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: because I think you and I agree that he's got skills,

847
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: got talent, oh yeah, but he's never. I just don't

848
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: understand how some teammates somewhere along the line a sam

849
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: Mitchell type couldn't have taken him aside and explained it

850
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: to him and said, man, you're blowing this. You stop

851
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: acting like you're always the victim. You keep getting dealt

852
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: because you don't do the things you need to do

853
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: to match your talent. I'm amazed no one was able

854
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 2: like a sam Mitchell type to get through it on

855
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: that way.

856
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 5: Now you know what would have been good fordlo early

857
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 5: in his career, maybe to be on the birge of

858
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 5: being out the league, because think about it, he was

859
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: the second pick of the draft, and if you go

860
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 5: back and look at the second pick, that fact that

861
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 5: he's the second pick of the draft. In his career,

862
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: he made some money, but he didn't make a third

863
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: of He didn't make a third of the more money

864
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 5: he could have made. And then when you look at

865
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 5: his career, you would have to say, it wasn't a

866
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 5: spectacular as we thought it would be.

867
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: That's true, one hundred percent true. And he's never.

868
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got the party. He was part of this

869
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 2: big deal, the Anthony Davis deal. I think correct, So.

870
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,720
Speaker 5: Davis go, No, he was the guy that was supposed

871
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 5: to come in to kind of hold things down into

872
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: Tyreek back right.

873
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: It didn't work out, did it. It didn't even come

874
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: close to workout. By the way, One last thing, Sam

875
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: Mitchell kind enough to join us. What is Jamal Mashburn

876
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: smoking these days? Because I saw the quote. I'm sure

877
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: you guys have talked about it on NBA set. You

878
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: know a serious XM that that Cooper Flag would not

879
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: be he would be like the sixth best.

880
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: Player in the upcoming draft?

881
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 2: Is that just the old I'm gonna say something outrageous

882
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: just to get the attention or what I mean?

883
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: Cooper Flag looks pretty good to me, Sam, how about you?

884
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 5: Well? He does, man, And I think a lot of people,

885
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 5: but I know this class coming up Darren Peterson. I

886
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 5: coached his kid at Kansas Summers. I've seen the kid,

887
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: ad I've seen all of these kids, a boozer kid.

888
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 5: This is a pretty good class man. This is some guys.

889
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 5: But I would still say, looking at the way Cooper

890
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 5: Flag has played, now went to my Cooper Flag is

891
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 5: probably gonna be Brookie of the Year. And you look

892
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: at the numbers, how he steadily got better. He's like

893
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 5: this Cooper Flag has gotten so good so fast. At

894
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 5: nineteen years old. The Dallas Maveris traded Anthony Day because

895
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 5: they realized that they don't want to pay him, not

896
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 5: what we got Cooper Flag to build around. So if

897
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 5: I was Jamal and some of these other guys coming

898
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 5: into the draft, I might kind of hold my tongue

899
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 5: because Cooper Flag is setting the high bar. And you

900
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 5: know this, Dad, All though, all those guys that has

901
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 5: all this hope, all of them are not gonna make it.

902
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: All of them are not gonna turn out to be superstar. No.

903
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: I like the way he's carried himself to in addition

904
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: to every just how he's he's.

905
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 5: Looking at like an old soul. He's nineteen, but he

906
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 5: carries himself like he's twenty four to twenty five.

907
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: Been there before the Wolves screw up?

908
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,959
Speaker 2: Not trying to get James Harden or is that? Would

909
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: that have been insane?

910
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 3: Stop man, stop, stop stop, I'm just asking.

911
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 5: Now. Did you ask that being serious or did you

912
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 5: just want to hear me say I actually yesterday, first

913
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 5: of all that I can't believe Cleveland did that deal.

914
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 5: Thirty six thirty seven for twenty six. James Harden history

915
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 5: in the playoffs, and tell you this, least.

916
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: At least he's healthy. Garland never plays.

917
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 5: Look man, I take my chance on a twenty six

918
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 5: year old that's been hurt. Look man, that toe is

919
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 5: a It is a hard thing to deal with, especially

920
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 5: when you keep trying to rush a guy back. So

921
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 5: think about it. Daris Garland is an all star point

922
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 5: guard that hadn't even reached his prime. We've seen James Hard,

923
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 5: James Dim putting up numbers, but look at James Harden.

924
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 5: Them had to go to the Clippers, have had to

925
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: go what fifteen and five just to get back into

926
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: the playing.

927
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's true. So that your answer is.

928
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 5: No, I feel like Cleveland right now. Cleveland did this

929
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 5: deal because that tells me that the GM and the

930
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 5: coat on the hot seat, that's probably true. They are

931
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,439
Speaker 5: afraid for their job and this is a panic move

932
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 5: that's not gonna work. What as a matter of fact,

933
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 5: because they're gonna have to give James an extension. I

934
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: just don't see anything good about this happening.

935
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: What do you want tonight? You're doing some TV tonight,

936
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 3: aren't you.

937
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 5: I'm doing the Raptors Wolvesgate. That's right.

938
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go even better. That's it perfect. Well,

939
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: enjoy that. Good to catch up, and we'll we'll talk

940
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: to you very soon. Thanks man, all right, be good.

941
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 3: Sam.

942
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 2: Sam Mitchell kind enough to join us. We're gonna break

943
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: here quickly because we've got another guest coming up. Right

944
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: after a very short pause, our old friend Gerald Posner

945
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: will join. We'll go very much a section, a couple

946
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: of interesting subjects that he has been exploring recently in

947
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: his fine investigative reporting and colonizing work.

948
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 3: We'll catch up with Gerald. That's next year in the