WEBVTT - Back Door Reparations 0:00:00.030 --> 0:00:08.680 617-266-6868 is the number. Okay, California now, first law of 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:13.580 its kind in the nation. Now essentially corporate or company 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.000 or business reparations, however you want to call it. Corporations, businesses, 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:24.140 companies now have to go through their records by law. 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:29.940 They must all the way back to 1849. and see 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:35.620 if they've had any ties whatsoever to slavery, including insurance policies, 0:00:35.729 --> 0:00:40.030 including whether they worked with banks that ever used slaves 0:00:40.190 --> 0:00:43.790 as collateral. And they then have to disclose it to 0:00:43.810 --> 0:00:47.989 the California Civil Rights Department. It will be made public. 0:00:49.270 --> 0:00:52.420 And from that point, they will then judge or decide 0:00:52.900 --> 0:00:57.630 how much these companies should pay in reparations. It could 0:00:57.670 --> 0:01:03.150 either be cash payments or money they give to the government, 0:01:03.210 --> 0:01:06.500 set aside for the government for programs like, say, free 0:01:06.530 --> 0:01:10.539 college or free healthcare or home or a mixture of 0:01:10.700 --> 0:01:15.920 the two. It is a backdoor to full reparations. The 0:01:15.980 --> 0:01:20.470 Democrats admit this, not just for California. They want to 0:01:20.530 --> 0:01:23.510 do this now for the entire country. It is a 0:01:23.650 --> 0:01:28.760 central plank in the DSA's platform. And the Democrats vow, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.340 should they retake the House and the Senate, they will 0:01:32.459 --> 0:01:37.040 try to ram through a reparations bill modeled on what 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:43.860 California just passed. So my question to you, should companies 0:01:43.940 --> 0:01:49.190 be forced to pay reparations? And ultimately, because we know 0:01:49.210 --> 0:01:56.070 where it's leading to, should you, should I, should every American... 0:01:56.530 --> 0:02:01.450 be forced to pay reparations to those who were the 0:02:01.510 --> 0:02:08.169 descendants of slavery for the crime of slavery that ended 0:02:09.669 --> 0:02:17.300 over 150 years ago. Derek in Brighton. Thanks for holding, Derek, 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:18.340 and welcome. 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.720 How are you doing, Jeff? Good show as usual. 0:02:21.780 --> 0:02:22.380 Thank you, Derek. 0:02:23.540 --> 0:02:31.600 Now, you know, this reparations business is insane. You know, 0:02:31.930 --> 0:02:36.230 they want people to go back. Forget about even going back. 0:02:36.250 --> 0:02:40.670 I don't know, businesses going back decades ago to see 0:02:40.690 --> 0:02:44.850 if they did business with companies, loans, slaves. I mean, 0:02:45.590 --> 0:02:50.970 aren't minorities getting reparations now in the form of some welfare? 0:02:52.500 --> 0:02:57.060 when they had affirmative action, I think that was probably 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:03.370 struck down not too long ago. But what if, you know, 0:03:03.450 --> 0:03:07.750 like someone who comes from Eastern Europe, long after slavery ended, 0:03:08.270 --> 0:03:12.230 like from Russia, opens up a business, are they going 0:03:12.250 --> 0:03:16.590 to have to pay reparations? What if it's an African 0:03:16.669 --> 0:03:22.410 who came from, you know, who immigrated from Africa long 0:03:22.470 --> 0:03:25.580 after slavery ended. Are you going to give that person 0:03:25.620 --> 0:03:26.800 reparations too? 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.679 I don't... Derek, I mean. 0:03:30.700 --> 0:03:34.419 You're on fire. Don't stop. I mean, you're completely right. 0:03:35.260 --> 0:03:38.900 They're opening up a Pandora's box. And Derek, look, I 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:40.880 don't want to get into the weeds, but, you know, 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.520 you mentioned Russia. Just to give you an example, Russia 0:03:44.700 --> 0:03:48.280 had what was called serfdom. which was just another way 0:03:48.300 --> 0:03:58.570 of saying slavery, until 1867. 1867. So technically, Russia had 0:03:58.670 --> 0:04:03.029 slavery two years longer than we did. And it was 0:04:03.070 --> 0:04:07.180 these Russian nobles and lords who basically enslaved Russian peasants. 0:04:08.100 --> 0:04:12.090 You know, as I said, Europeans were enslaving Europeans. Now, 0:04:12.450 --> 0:04:16.690 think about it. Most Russians, even to this day, okay, say, 0:04:16.740 --> 0:04:18.770 you know, a Russian 20 years ago comes here, as 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:23.820 you said, opens up a business. Chances are his ancestors, 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.539 if he was to trace them back, you know, doing genealogy, 0:04:27.060 --> 0:04:30.300 would say, hey, my ancestors were peasants. We were serfs. 0:04:31.100 --> 0:04:32.800 I mean, my God, you should have seen what they 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.180 did to those poor people in Russia. So he goes, 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.130 let me get this straight. I never owned a slave. 0:04:38.690 --> 0:04:41.390 My family, going back a thousand years, never owned a slave. 0:04:41.410 --> 0:04:44.970 In fact, we were enslaved. We were the slaves back 0:04:45.029 --> 0:04:47.990 in the old country. And now I got to pay 0:04:48.070 --> 0:04:54.510 reparations to somebody who was never a slave, whose father 0:04:54.570 --> 0:04:56.630 and mother were not slaves? I mean, it's like, this 0:04:56.710 --> 0:05:02.740 is so, it's so wrong. It's so twisted. It's so perverse. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:07.340 You know, Derek, if you wanted to have a civil war, 0:05:08.220 --> 0:05:11.740 if you said, I want to break America apart, I 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.320 want Americans to be at each other's throats, I don't 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.600 think I could come up with a more ingenious idea, 0:05:19.620 --> 0:05:25.200 a more evil, satanic idea than reparations. Am I wrong? 0:05:27.110 --> 0:05:34.670 No, you're not wrong, Jeff. Now, the Russians, what, going back, 0:05:34.690 --> 0:05:39.289 I don't know, centuries ago before they had a czar, didn't, 0:05:39.350 --> 0:05:43.510 you know, like you said, weren't they, many peasants were serfs. 0:05:43.630 --> 0:05:44.550 Serfs were what? 0:05:45.089 --> 0:05:49.420 One step above slaves without the chains, weren't they? 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.710 Yeah, they were basically slaves with, as you put it, 0:05:53.779 --> 0:05:57.740 without the chains. I mean, that's, that's it. They could 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:03.820 leave the fields to go sleep in their hut, but 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.820 they had to go to work again for the Lord 0:06:05.860 --> 0:06:09.770 the next day. That's it. In other words, they weren't 0:06:09.890 --> 0:06:13.510 technically on a plantation, but let's say they wanted to 0:06:13.570 --> 0:06:16.750 leave to the city or to the town, they weren't allowed. 0:06:18.230 --> 0:06:20.370 They literally were not allowed. They would be forced to 0:06:20.410 --> 0:06:23.729 go back. They had to work for the Lord. So 0:06:23.810 --> 0:06:27.810 it was basically slavery without the chains. Okay, I want 0:06:27.830 --> 0:06:32.810 to ask all of you, with this historic law now 0:06:32.870 --> 0:06:37.440 being signed by Gavin Newsom and Democrats saying if they win, 0:06:37.460 --> 0:06:39.620 they want to basically copy it and then make it 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.340 national for the whole country. Let me ask all of you, 0:06:44.580 --> 0:06:52.350 should companies slash businesses, corporations, be forced to pay reparations 0:06:52.670 --> 0:07:00.270 for slavery? Democrats now say yes. This has been a 0:07:00.330 --> 0:07:08.490 big dream of Bernie Sanders, AOC, Elizabeth Warren, Ed Markey, Obama. 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:14.840 Kamala Harris, obviously Mamdani is pushing it very hard in 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:18.620 New York. Gavin Newsom has now signed it into law 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.300 in California and they want to make it now. Hakeem 0:07:22.340 --> 0:07:25.380 Jeffery says it will be a priority for him should 0:07:25.420 --> 0:07:29.430 they retake the House and should the Democrats retake the Senate. 0:07:29.950 --> 0:07:37.130 So my question to you, should businesses, companies, should they 0:07:37.190 --> 0:07:41.580 be forced to pay reparations for slavery? And ultimately, because 0:07:41.620 --> 0:07:43.660 we know where this is leading, it's not going to 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.200 stop at companies or corporations. It's the Trojan horse to 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.640 get to what they really want, which is you, me, 0:07:53.060 --> 0:07:57.320 and Americans in general to pay. And we're looking at 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:02.290 trillions of dollars. Already, California, they're looking at hundreds of 0:08:02.350 --> 0:08:06.950 billions of dollars in reparations, hundreds of billions. But if 0:08:06.990 --> 0:08:08.950 you do it for the whole country as they plan, 0:08:09.380 --> 0:08:14.360 we're looking at trillions of dollars. I'm telling you, even 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:20.250 if whatever the morality of this, financially, this will bankrupt us. 0:08:21.590 --> 0:08:26.730 It will financially ruin us. But that's socialism. That's communism. 0:08:29.370 --> 0:08:32.780 Should there be reparations and should we pay for it? 0:08:33.770 --> 0:08:38.650 Mel in Saratoga. Thanks for holding, Mel. And as always, welcome. 0:08:39.270 --> 0:08:39.630 Welcome. 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:45.270 Good morning, Jeff. You know, I say there should be reparations. 0:08:45.350 --> 0:08:48.150 I think that those who want to propose this and 0:08:48.190 --> 0:08:50.330 those who are looking for reparations ought to go back 0:08:50.370 --> 0:08:54.490 to Africa and start with those warlords and those tribal 0:08:54.929 --> 0:08:58.650 chiefs that brought us a bond, you know? They're the 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.500 ones that sold their people into slavery because they're white 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:04.200 Europeans and all across Egypt. 0:09:03.940 --> 0:09:06.459 And everywhere else. Start with them. But, you know, Jeff, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:07.340 this is. 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:13.100 Another ploy by the white, progressive, liberal Democrats to spark 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.010 a race war here in the United States. They have 0:09:16.070 --> 0:09:20.290 nothing to offer, nothing but violence and mayhem. This is 0:09:20.309 --> 0:09:22.569 the only way that they feel as though they got 0:09:22.590 --> 0:09:26.990 a way of keeping power, keeping authority. But like you said, 0:09:27.350 --> 0:09:30.750 there's plenty of black men like myself across this country 0:09:31.210 --> 0:09:35.850 are fed up with all, Obama, his piece of crap behind, 0:09:36.390 --> 0:09:41.470 and whatever the Democrat Party has to offer. They've offered nothing. 0:09:41.929 --> 0:09:43.930 You go to any school in the United States, in 0:09:43.950 --> 0:09:46.570 the inner cities, kids can't even read up to grade level. 0:09:47.110 --> 0:09:52.640 You know, they're functional illiterate. And that, where? Who is running. 0:09:52.420 --> 0:09:57.390 The education department in this country for years, decades? Nobody 0:09:57.460 --> 0:10:02.360 but the Democrat Party. But, you know, all we want 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:09.020 to do in this country is law-abiding, responsible citizens, both 0:10:09.100 --> 0:10:11.800 black and white, is to be left the hell alone. 0:10:12.380 --> 0:10:14.210 And now if you go back to this man, Demi, 0:10:14.370 --> 0:10:16.969 that creep, I'd like to smack him in the next week, 0:10:17.050 --> 0:10:18.530 that son of a gun, if I ever. 0:10:18.490 --> 0:10:19.030 Had a chance. 0:10:20.050 --> 0:10:21.870 He better look out, too, because I'm sure of where 0:10:21.900 --> 0:10:22.929 he come from, you get it. 0:10:23.820 --> 0:10:27.040 His ancestors also. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:27.839 Oh, yeah. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:33.280 Oh, Mel. You know, in boxing terms, like you just 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.600 tagged them. Oh, that's a brilliant point. That's what they 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.720 call a devastating right cross. Oh, I didn't even think 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:45.530 of that, but you're right. Oh, his ancestors, Indian ancestors 0:10:46.070 --> 0:10:46.950 from Uganda. 0:10:47.210 --> 0:10:47.430 Oh, Mel. 0:10:50.570 --> 0:10:54.709 They owned a lot of slaves, a lot of slaves. 0:10:55.710 --> 0:10:58.170 I mean, if I were him, I'd be very careful. 0:10:58.230 --> 0:11:02.590 You're right. He could be out a lot of money. Him, 0:11:02.929 --> 0:11:07.520 his father, his mother, they better be very careful on this. Mel, 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.860 I've got to ask you, and if I'm getting too personal, 0:11:11.900 --> 0:11:15.450 please tell me. I promise I won't be offended. But, 0:11:15.790 --> 0:11:17.770 you know, and this is what I admire about you, 0:11:18.050 --> 0:11:21.490 because a lot of people would say, well, hey, if 0:11:21.530 --> 0:11:29.330 they're going to dangle $ 25, 000, $ 50, 000, honestly, they're talking $ 100, 000, 0:11:26.990 --> 0:11:32.800 $ 200, 000 cash payments, throw in even a free house. You know, 0:11:32.820 --> 0:11:34.640 a lot of people would say, sure, give it to me. 0:11:35.380 --> 0:11:37.900 You know, what the hell, give it to me. Mel, 0:11:38.390 --> 0:11:40.709 if they were to offer you, say this becomes a 0:11:40.770 --> 0:11:44.120 national law, And they say, well, Mel, we've looked at 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:47.880 your background and your ancestors were slaves. And we believe 0:11:47.900 --> 0:11:51.120 you deserve some kind of compensation for that. And we're 0:11:51.140 --> 0:11:54.380 going to cut you a $ 100, 000 check paid for by 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:57.280 the U.S. taxpayer. And we're going to give you a 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.780 nice house somewhere in Saratoga. What would Mel do, in 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.920 all honesty? Would Mel say thank you and cash it? And, 0:12:05.970 --> 0:12:08.210 you know, tell the family we're moving into a nice 0:12:08.270 --> 0:12:12.340 new home? Or would Mel say, thanks, but no thanks? 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.719 Thanks, but no thanks. I don't want any of your 0:12:17.780 --> 0:12:21.650 help because your help comes with devastation. And that would almost, 0:12:21.690 --> 0:12:22.230 like I said. 0:12:22.270 --> 0:12:26.069 Spark a race war in this country that the Democrat. 0:12:25.590 --> 0:12:28.920 Party is looking forward to. No way. I believe in 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.680 making my way in my life. My parents. 0:12:32.530 --> 0:12:37.310 My grandparents, they worked at Baxor to make what we had. 0:12:37.910 --> 0:12:40.620 And we lived in a shack in the beginning. And 0:12:40.700 --> 0:12:43.540 our landlord over on Town Street in Saturday, North Springs, 0:12:43.940 --> 0:12:44.860 sold to make a couple. 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.400 You know, they saw the way that we were living. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.459 And what they did, they sold that house to us, 0:12:51.100 --> 0:12:53.970 my mother, for Jesus Christ. And she was able to 0:12:54.020 --> 0:12:57.640 take that house. and multiply that into a nice house 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.040 over on the other side of town. Take that house, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.500 sell it, and get another house over on the other 0:13:02.540 --> 0:13:05.290 side of town in Saratoga Springs near the high school, 0:13:05.390 --> 0:13:08.110 which was more or less going up and up the class. And, 0:13:08.150 --> 0:13:11.310 you know, she made out all right. But she didn't 0:13:11.330 --> 0:13:14.310 have to, but she worked all her life. She worked 0:13:14.350 --> 0:13:18.050 there behind all four of my desks. And, I mean, 0:13:18.420 --> 0:13:21.600 it's like if you work for what you want, most 0:13:21.660 --> 0:13:24.360 likely you'll get it. If you have somebody who wants 0:13:24.380 --> 0:13:27.460 to help you along, like how you work, how you stroke, 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:31.150 to bring the kids up. There were times when it 0:13:31.170 --> 0:13:34.469 was so freaking, it was such a, we had to 0:13:34.910 --> 0:13:37.210 crack windows, plastic all over the windows and everything else. 0:13:37.330 --> 0:13:41.949 I mean, just to survive. But they saw how we, 0:13:42.510 --> 0:13:44.330 because they were living in New York, they would go 0:13:44.350 --> 0:13:48.589 to New York, and they had a nice home down there. Summertime, 0:13:48.610 --> 0:13:52.160 when the races were in session, They come up and 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:53.100 open up their profits. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.520 Boom. They knew what to do. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.980 I got to tell you, Mel, you're painting a very 0:14:02.100 --> 0:14:08.520 poignant picture about really how America used to be. And, 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.380 you know, your parents worked very hard. They broke their back. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.679 They worked from morning till night. You know, your mom 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:17.679 got a small home and then she got a bigger 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.440 home and then she got even a bigger home. Until they, 0:14:21.460 --> 0:14:23.340 you know, you bought a nice house right next to 0:14:23.380 --> 0:14:26.780 a school and she raised the family or your parents, 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.480 your father and your mother raised the family. And to 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.300 be hardworking, to be self-reliant, to be full of self-respect 0:14:34.610 --> 0:14:38.230 and to love your family, to love your country. And just, 0:14:38.410 --> 0:14:42.890 you know, you keep working, you'll rise. And you're completely right. And, 0:14:43.150 --> 0:14:45.850 you know, to get a handout is a source of shame. 0:14:48.470 --> 0:14:52.790 This is what's changed in our culture, and it's not black, white, 0:14:52.910 --> 0:14:59.280 or brown, or it's everybody. It's a welfare entitlement mentality. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:09.060 You see it now everywhere. Everybody wants a freaking handout. And, 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:10.970 you know, as you said it, you know, I'm not 0:15:10.990 --> 0:15:12.150 going to take a $ 100, 000 check. I didn't earn it. 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.070 You know, I'm not going to get a free house because, A, 0:15:18.110 --> 0:15:21.120 someone else is paying for it. So basically I'm stealing 0:15:21.180 --> 0:15:24.110 from someone else. That's what it is. But I didn't 0:15:24.170 --> 0:15:28.610 earn it. Now, if I work hard, it's my hard-earned money. Well, yeah, 0:15:28.630 --> 0:15:32.810 it's a different story than I've earned it. And see, 0:15:32.890 --> 0:15:39.250 and that character that you embody, that's the old rugged individualism. 0:15:39.650 --> 0:15:43.790 That's the Americanism that made us the greatest country in 0:15:43.830 --> 0:15:48.370 the world. Now, it's just everyone's got their hand out, 0:15:48.450 --> 0:15:52.990 and it's just gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme. Mel, as always, 0:15:53.070 --> 0:15:55.340 thank you very, very much for that call, and I 0:15:55.390 --> 0:16:02.180 hope you have a wonderful weekend, my friend. 617-266-6868. You see, 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:06.920 what Mel is, rightfully, this is what he sees. Number one, 0:16:06.980 --> 0:16:11.770 you're stealing from someone else because you didn't enslave anybody. 0:16:12.650 --> 0:16:16.020 You didn't hurt anybody. So why should you have to pay, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:19.840 I mean, through the nose, hundreds of thousands of dollars 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.760 out of your pocket for something you or your parents 0:16:23.860 --> 0:16:26.760 or your grandpa, I mean, you know, you didn't do. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:33.040 That's number one. Number two, it's theft. It's theft. It 0:16:33.140 --> 0:16:38.060 is the Kooner Country Poll Question of the Day, sponsored 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:45.400 by Mario's. Mario's Quality Roofing, Siding, and Windows. Is the 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:52.290 California Slavery Disclosure Law, as it's now called officially, the 0:16:52.390 --> 0:17:00.550 California Slavery Disclosure Law, is it accountability for past wrongs 0:17:02.890 --> 0:17:09.050 or political theater? A, it's real accountability. B. 0:17:11.500 --> 0:17:15.240 It's political theater. You know where I stand? This is 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:22.450 political theater. Vote buying at its most desperate. Okay? But 0:17:22.590 --> 0:17:25.510 that's me. I want to hear from you. You can 0:17:25.550 --> 0:17:32.830 vote on our webpage, wrko.com slash Kuhner. W-R-K-O dot com 0:17:32.850 --> 0:17:38.090 slash Kuhner. K-U-H-N as in national E-R. You can also 0:17:38.150 --> 0:17:41.389 vote via X. And boy, was I active on X 0:17:41.450 --> 0:17:46.600 last night. My handle there, all one word. At the 0:17:46.730 --> 0:17:55.280 Kuhner Report. At the Kuhner Report. K-U-H-N as in Nancy E-R. 0:17:56.020 --> 0:18:00.740 Kim in New Hampshire. Thanks for holding, Kim. And welcome. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.220 Hi, Kim. 0:18:04.540 --> 0:18:07.639 If you'd entertain me with a little bit of a rant, 0:18:07.859 --> 0:18:08.879 I'd appreciate it. 0:18:08.950 --> 0:18:12.550 Will you? Just go right into it, Kim. 0:18:16.430 --> 0:18:22.590 Every group has their so-called... sob story. I mean, Irish 0:18:22.690 --> 0:18:26.260 need not apply. So to the descendants of like people 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.720 that thought of like applying at a, you know, fire station. 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.920 So are they entitled to the, you know, the retirement 0:18:32.940 --> 0:18:37.500 of their ancestors who couldn't apply because they were discriminated 0:18:37.580 --> 0:18:41.000 against and like the Asians with the railroad, how many 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:46.270 Asians helped with the development of the railroad. So all 0:18:46.330 --> 0:18:50.820 that sort of thing. And like, um, I'm Ukrainian descent, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:58.300 and my ancestors had the equivalent of a multimillion-dollar cattle farm. 0:18:58.700 --> 0:19:00.600 And I'm not sure if it was the Nazis or 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.619 the communists, but they were kicked off their land. And 0:19:04.260 --> 0:19:06.439 you could either stay and work the land or you 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:10.200 could FO. So whose door do I knock on for 0:19:10.260 --> 0:19:15.619 my ancestors' reparations for that? And just, you know, everybody's 0:19:15.700 --> 0:19:18.230 had their sob story. So I think we're all kind 0:19:18.270 --> 0:19:21.370 of equal here in who's been wronged. 0:19:22.950 --> 0:19:23.230 Right? 0:19:24.230 --> 0:19:27.470 Oh, Kim, you're on fire. And, you know, you mentioned 0:19:27.490 --> 0:19:34.960 your Ukrainian ancestors. Seven million were slaughtered, systematically starved to 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:38.320 death by Stalin as he took over their land. He 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:42.760 collectivized their land. It's called the Harvest of Sorrow. The 0:19:42.940 --> 0:19:46.419 Holodomor is how the Ukrainians refer to it. But in 0:19:46.460 --> 0:19:50.060 the West, it's known as the Harvest of Sorrow. And 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.760 it was a systematic genocidal attempt to literally starve the 0:19:54.900 --> 0:19:59.980 Ukrainian peasantry to death. And people dispute how many. It 0:20:00.020 --> 0:20:03.410 was at least 5 million. Some say, you know, 7, 0:20:03.410 --> 0:20:05.620 8 million. I think it was 7 million, but let 0:20:05.660 --> 0:20:08.679 that go. It was one of the great genocides of 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.750 the 20th century. And, you know, what, so who's going 0:20:12.770 --> 0:20:16.030 to pay you your restitution because of what happened to 0:20:16.070 --> 0:20:19.170 your family? You see, that's the problem. And, you know, 0:20:19.190 --> 0:20:21.990 you mentioned the Irish. A lot of people don't even 0:20:22.050 --> 0:20:24.369 know this about the Irish. I'm not talking about in 0:20:24.410 --> 0:20:27.530 the old country, you know, how they were oppressed under 0:20:27.590 --> 0:20:33.169 British imperial rule. In America, thousands and thousands of Irish 0:20:33.230 --> 0:20:42.000 slaves were brought into the United States. One of the 0:20:42.060 --> 0:20:45.920 first slaves brought into the United States were actually from Ireland. 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:51.040 They were Irish. They were white. People don't even know this. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.800 By the way, in some parts of the South, you 0:20:54.820 --> 0:20:56.590 can look it up. I mean, I studied this. I'm 0:20:56.619 --> 0:20:59.210 telling you, but look it up. In New Orleans, it 0:20:59.250 --> 0:21:03.090 wasn't many. It was maybe a couple hundred in all. 0:21:03.790 --> 0:21:09.230 But there were blacks who owned whites. In New Orleans, 0:21:09.290 --> 0:21:14.300 the Louisiana, New Orleans area. There were free blacks, and 0:21:14.340 --> 0:21:18.530 then they accumulated wealth because they were merchants, and they got, 0:21:18.570 --> 0:21:20.810 you know, some of them were Irish slaves, and they 0:21:21.090 --> 0:21:24.590 owned Irish slaves. There were blacks who, it was a minority, 0:21:24.630 --> 0:21:27.449 very small minority. Obviously, it was whites owning blacks in 0:21:27.470 --> 0:21:30.130 the South. But what I'm saying is there were even 0:21:30.230 --> 0:21:37.500 black slaveholders who owned whites. Now, is the descendant of 0:21:37.580 --> 0:21:42.190 that white slave... going to now look for the descendant 0:21:42.270 --> 0:21:46.470 of that black slaveholder of 200 years ago, think of 0:21:46.490 --> 0:21:50.229 how stupid and insane this is, and say, you owe 0:21:50.270 --> 0:21:58.159 me money? Over what? It happened 200 years ago. And 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.720 so this is what the problem is, okay? The logic 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:05.460 of this breaks down if you have any understanding or 0:22:05.500 --> 0:22:09.080 grasp of history. Because if you go back far enough, 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:14.990 Literally every ethnic group, every racial group, every religious group, 0:22:16.250 --> 0:22:24.930 every continent, every culture, every civilization had slavery. The thing 0:22:24.970 --> 0:22:28.960 that's different about America, and this is why the guilt 0:22:28.980 --> 0:22:33.760 that we have is so, it's bizarre. We were very 0:22:33.980 --> 0:22:37.900 late to slavery. It had been going on for thousands 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:42.890 of years. For example, China's had slavery for 5, 6, 7, 0:22:42.890 --> 0:22:46.900 8,000 years. If anybody should be feeling guilty about slavery, 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.399 if they should, it's China. And I would argue that 0:22:50.460 --> 0:22:53.380 communism is in many ways a modern form of slavery. 0:22:54.260 --> 0:22:57.619 They literally have slave labor in China. I'm talking slave labor. 0:22:57.640 --> 0:23:02.179 You know, they're called gulags, slave labor camps, millions of them, 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:07.070 millions of them. So, you know, they should be feeling guilty. 0:23:07.869 --> 0:23:12.190 Slavery was very late in the New World. It was 0:23:12.350 --> 0:23:15.669 only there for a very relatively short period of time 0:23:15.869 --> 0:23:19.830 compared to the rest of the world. And we fought 0:23:20.050 --> 0:23:24.429 a civil war, which is almost unheard of, to free 0:23:24.570 --> 0:23:29.820 and liberate the slaves. So this notion that we should 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:35.250 feel guilty about slavery... If there's one country that shouldn't 0:23:35.350 --> 0:23:41.030 feel guilty about slavery, it's the United States. Does that 0:23:41.070 --> 0:23:42.130 make any sense to you, Kim? 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:47.379 Hello, Kim? 0:23:47.730 --> 0:23:48.300 Did we lose you? 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.220 No, I'm still here. I'm still here. 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.379 Yeah, I mean, really, I mean, it's, you know, you 0:23:56.420 --> 0:24:02.159 talk about Ukrainians. Ukrainians were serfs for a thousand years. Literally, 0:24:02.180 --> 0:24:05.040 they were serfs for a thousand years until they were 0:24:05.140 --> 0:24:08.020 freed from serfdom in 1867. Now they were part of 0:24:08.060 --> 0:24:11.480 the Russian Empire. And that's when they abolished serfdom. That's 0:24:11.590 --> 0:24:14.590 probably when your ancestors were able to own some land. 0:24:16.109 --> 0:24:21.490 And believe me, we're not talking like in America where 0:24:21.530 --> 0:24:25.730 you've got acres and acres and acres. But they were probably, 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:31.600 you know, hardworking peasant farmers who worked their rear ends off. 0:24:33.380 --> 0:24:36.880 And then either under Stalin or Hitler, it depends, most 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.560 likely under Stalin, they got it all taken away. The 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.159 communists came in and just confiscated it, like they did 0:24:42.180 --> 0:24:47.330 to my grandfather. Now, you know, where's your reparations? Where's 0:24:47.369 --> 0:24:51.780 my reparations? See, nobody, no, because if you start going 0:24:51.820 --> 0:24:55.160 down this road, everybody's going to want money from everybody. 0:24:56.030 --> 0:25:00.010 So the whole thing becomes absurd. And all we're going 0:25:00.030 --> 0:25:02.369 to do is we're going to, it's just going to 0:25:02.490 --> 0:25:06.639 unleash chaos and violence. You don't do this in a 0:25:06.710 --> 0:25:11.520 civilized society because the sins of the past are in 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.300 the past. If you make the sins of the past 0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:18.119 and the present, then all you're going to do is 0:25:18.220 --> 0:25:23.790 sow division and hatred because it's unfair. It's unjust. You're 0:25:23.850 --> 0:25:28.870 punishing people for something they literally had no control over. 0:25:29.310 --> 0:25:34.260 They literally didn't do. In fact, I'll be honest. Most 0:25:34.300 --> 0:25:36.780 people I don't even think even know who their ancestors are. 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.669 And I'm not saying this as an insult. I mean, 0:25:41.010 --> 0:25:43.810 I know about my grandfather, but that's it. Because my 0:25:43.850 --> 0:25:50.200 grandfather told me stories. I don't even know about his father. So, 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:54.760 you know, the Cooners got screwed in the 19th century, Jeff. 0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.419 I don't even know who the Cooners were in the 0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.760 19th century. I don't even know who got screwed. 0:26:01.859 --> 0:26:02.399 I don't know them. 0:26:03.570 --> 0:26:04.210 Because that's 100, 150 years ago. 0:26:04.230 --> 0:26:04.350 So, no. 0:26:04.350 --> 0:26:04.409 No. 0:26:08.770 --> 0:26:15.020 This is a crude way of stealing, of grabbing our money, 0:26:16.020 --> 0:26:20.520 redistributing our wealth to pay off key voting blocks for 0:26:20.540 --> 0:26:26.260 the Democratic Party. And in the process, so racial and 0:26:26.420 --> 0:26:30.560 ethnic division and eventually hatred. And I think Mel in 0:26:30.619 --> 0:26:34.660 Saratoga is a thousand percent correct. This will lead eventually 0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:38.560 to a civil war. It always does. Whenever this stuff happens, 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.880 has played out in other countries, this is what you get. 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:47.399 You get tribes and groups pitted against each other, and 0:26:47.460 --> 0:26:51.219 before you know it, they start killing each other. And 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.350 that's how reckless the Democrats are. This is one of 0:26:54.380 --> 0:26:59.750 the most dangerous, destructive, insane ideas I've ever heard. Final 0:26:59.790 --> 0:27:00.510 word to you, Kim. 0:27:00.530 --> 0:27:03.350 Can you hear me? 0:27:03.630 --> 0:27:05.370 Yes, go ahead. Yes, go ahead. 0:27:06.490 --> 0:27:11.030 Last week, my husband and I were down to Gettysburg, 0:27:11.670 --> 0:27:14.550 and oh my Lord, I had no idea. It was 0:27:14.650 --> 0:27:20.290 over like 8,000 acres, and the suffering those poor boys 0:27:20.750 --> 0:27:24.530 went through, and oh my gosh. Just, yeah, and they 0:27:24.570 --> 0:27:27.410 were over, well, a large part of it was slavery, right? 0:27:27.790 --> 0:27:30.369 And just, yeah, you ever get a chance to go 0:27:30.410 --> 0:27:32.650 to Gettysburg? That place is intense. 0:27:33.450 --> 0:27:37.800 Oh, it's drenched in blood. It was the pivotal battle 0:27:37.859 --> 0:27:41.300 of the Civil War. People don't know this, but Robert E. 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:45.659 Lee had papers of surrender. The South was winning the 0:27:45.700 --> 0:27:47.760 war for the first two years. The Union was on 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:51.460