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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an American? On the weekend

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Speaker 1: in the books, and we're back at here, scotts Fold,

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Speaker 1: thanks for jumping in the show on seven hundred ww.

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Speaker 1: You know, even without the mass shooting, Cincinnati's crime numbers

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Speaker 1: are up sixty two percent. I believe that the first

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Speaker 1: ten weeks ten eleven weeks of twenty twenty six, and

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Speaker 1: in one western neighborhood, of course, two eleven year old's

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Speaker 1: now killed at the same playground. Since twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: we had a dangerous street takeover on Saturday night early

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Speaker 1: Sunday morning, resulting in arrests and great work by CPD.

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Speaker 1: By the way, So here's the thing. We're halfway through

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Speaker 1: March and it's snowing. What happens this summer when the

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Speaker 1: city actually is out in full force and what's the

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Speaker 1: city actually doing to maybe prevent or tamp down a

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Speaker 1: lot of this crime? Joined the show is council member

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Speaker 1: Seth Walsh. Seth, how you been? How's life? You're good?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Scott getting ready for the snow today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you thought it was over, It's just beginning.

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Speaker 3: I that's way you're call it.

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Speaker 1: What the damn PLOWD tracker doesn't work. It's a seventy yesterday,

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Speaker 1: so you gotta even the software says i'm out. Software

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Speaker 1: tapped out. But seriously, Saturday night, and this could have

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Speaker 1: been much worse than it was. You have to give

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the credit to CPD because they

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Speaker 1: did a fantastic job. I think thirty nine people arrested,

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Speaker 1: sixty five cars towed during a mass street takeover, and

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Speaker 1: it happened in several different areas. They picked up a

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Speaker 1: couple I think stolen guns as well. One of the

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Speaker 1: places where they congregated was Riverfront Live parking lot, and

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Speaker 1: that's the same venue, of course, where nine people were

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Speaker 1: shot just a couple of weeks ago. The bigger picture, though,

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Speaker 1: is we've seen bar and dining in public transportation, a

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Speaker 1: bunch of other numbers indicating that that is down in

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Speaker 1: the city.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Some of that may be the weather, another part of

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Speaker 1: that may be the economy, But how much is crime

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Speaker 1: impacting all that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the issue was crime conversation you and I

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Speaker 2: professional Stingy be having right and unfortunately in the city

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Speaker 2: this conversation we're going to continue to have. I think

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Speaker 2: it's important to take a step back and really appreciate,

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Speaker 2: as you said, what CPD was able to do, able

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Speaker 2: to get ahead of this, you know, you know, road

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Speaker 2: takeover and arrest all these bad actors. They were coming

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Speaker 2: out to participate in that. And that's really you know,

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Speaker 2: it's an interest point. It's just some of the ground

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Speaker 2: people that were coming from that weren't Offincinnatians. I don't.

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Speaker 2: I've actually get many work, even the Statians. They're coming

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Speaker 2: across problems in the city. It was kind of wild

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Speaker 2: the reports I'm getting who they were even finding there,

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Speaker 2: it's a dangerous something was being pulled off. And so

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Speaker 2: first off, I just think the polices are a big

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Speaker 2: accolades for that. The staffs, though, are the facts. And

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Speaker 2: so I think there's some good questions that you're going

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Speaker 2: to be asking me about. You know, why are the

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Speaker 2: crime up and anytime you have crime to problems and

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Speaker 2: we got to do more to fix that. But you know,

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Speaker 2: this is the priority that I've had since I got

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Speaker 2: a city council. Continue to point to the fact that

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Speaker 2: we we are dramatically understaffed in the police department. So

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Speaker 2: while they're able to have these great moments like this weekend,

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Speaker 2: we are still dropping the ball city leaders in terms

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Speaker 1: Do they need more tools? More bullets in the belt,

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Speaker 1: so to speak? Because if you go back to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three, the state of Ohio moved to increase the

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Speaker 1: Kearney opposed it. Does this change your mind? Should it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Jeff Cramond and I actually were talking about

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Speaker 2: Jefferies already has the motion he's putting forward SASS for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what made you change your mind on that

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Speaker 2: No, I would say that, you know, one thing I

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Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time since then you know,

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Speaker 2: what's going on, And it was really a nipening experience

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Speaker 2: when you go on a violent crime squad ride along

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Speaker 2: You know, you're not used to this, I mean, really

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Speaker 2: changes your perspective on here. When the police come in

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Speaker 2: And so I think for me it's a matter of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so as I respect that, I think most people

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Speaker 1: listening due to it's like, yeah, you're learning, your young man,

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Speaker 1: There's a lawmaker there who I had on that said, listen,

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Speaker 1: The three takeovers. We want to make it a felony.

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Speaker 1: What we want to do is after the second strike,

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Speaker 1: second time you're caught, we're going to take your car

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Speaker 2: I think the bigger, the bigger issue. I don't know

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Speaker 2: But I think the bigger issue is you're looking at

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Speaker 2: And I feel like we're constantly hadn't have conversations about

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Speaker 1: And then this summer you're gonna have the you know,

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Speaker 1: it comes to traffic enforcement. Seth Walsh, the city's on

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Speaker 1: crime report showed fifty two people shot in Cincy in

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Speaker 1: five million dollars spent, what why are crime members going

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Speaker 2: Man? If somebody have the answer that with Scott, they

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Speaker 2: would be a very rich person. Right now. It's it's troubling,

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Speaker 2: it's frustrating, it's disheartening. It makes you feel like anything

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Speaker 2: the answer for why our choice seems to be violent.

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Speaker 2: As opposed to just solving these problems through conversations, we're

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Speaker 2: and and some of this is just a long term

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Speaker 2: societal adjustment we have to make. I think we dealt

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Speaker 2: But that's going to take time to fix and solve,

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Speaker 2: Look, I think we're talking about a really complicated topic.

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Speaker 1: At some point you have to go off to that

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Speaker 2: No? No, I would not say that's fair. I would

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Speaker 2: Points those fingers at each other right now. No, of course,

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Speaker 2: It's just it doesn't do us any good. And we

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Speaker 1: And so we all have but the majority of city

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So a final point, because we run a lifefs Walsh,

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Speaker 2: The one hundred and fifty police officer short is. I mean,

434
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Speaker 2: you can look at the data. It began during the

435
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Speaker 2: Great Recession, where we just simply as the city didn't

436
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Speaker 2: have money to hire more officers, and then we couldn't

437
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Speaker 2: keep up with the retirements that were happening. Well, yes, college,

438
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Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I can't speak to the leadership

439
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Speaker 2: those here, but I can tell you it was a

440
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Speaker 2: nine Democrats like counsel will not happened. I can tell

441
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Speaker 2: you that they were negotiating with the Republicans and the

442
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Speaker 2: Charter and the Democrats. So to your to the point

443
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Speaker 2: that you were trying to make earlier. You know a

444
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Speaker 2: lot of the problems we have now we're not when

445
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Speaker 2: is an I'm member Democrat, and so I think we

446
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Speaker 2: have to acknowledge of the city. We are dealing with

447
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,359
Speaker 2: historic problems that have come for whatever reasons. Now we

448
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Speaker 2: have to solve them. And we can point fingers all

449
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Speaker 2: we want, or we can get to work solving the problem.

450
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Speaker 2: And I would argue, let's get to work solve the

451
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Speaker 2: problem because tomorrow, you know, we need to not have

452
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Speaker 2: any violence. You know, to the next day, we don't

453
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Speaker 2: have any violence. And whether you're a Democrat Republican, and

454
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Speaker 2: I think we all agree with that. So let's get

455
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Speaker 2: to work. How we do that?

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Speaker 1: Are you a little scared about what's coming? I mean,

457
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Speaker 1: if this is March, what the hell is don't going

458
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Speaker 1: to look like July August?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the things that keeps me

460
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Speaker 2: up to night and it's one of the things that

461
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Speaker 2: I spend a lot of time trying to advocate as

462
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Speaker 2: much as I can, because we got to do better

463
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Speaker 2: for our police, to make sure they didn't go out

464
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Speaker 2: there to do the best for us. Famous fire. You know,

465
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Speaker 2: we didn't touch on that. There is an anomaly half

466
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Speaker 2: here right now with single family homes catching on fire

467
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Speaker 2: and fatality is coming with that. Doesn't that scare you?

468
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Speaker 2: Why is that happening? And I think we gave the

469
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Speaker 2: root of that as well. I'm gonna use the real

470
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Speaker 2: issues that that you keeping up to night and I

471
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Speaker 2: keep trying to solve. But they're not going to be

472
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Speaker 2: easy solutions. But we're not going to solve it by

473
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Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that their real problems well.

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Speaker 1: I mean exceptionally cold winter too. I think that's the

475
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Speaker 1: the main all are. But Seth, I got to get going, man.

476
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the great debate. Felt like we're having a

477
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Speaker 1: beer there for a minute. I love it. Hey, all

478
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Speaker 1: the best, keep keep doing what you appreciate you man,

479
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Speaker 1: Take care all right. Console member Seth Walsh on the

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Speaker 1: Scott's Loans this morning, running really late here seven hundred

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Speaker 1: w Scott's Loan with you Monday morning, seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: l W March Madness is set Austin Elmore a half

483
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Speaker 1: hour from now. On that, on that, on that, on that,

484
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Speaker 1: bring on the sports. And by the way, thirteen days

485
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Speaker 1: from today we are inside two weeks for Reds Baseball

486
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Speaker 1: here on the home of the Reds. Seven hundred WLW

487
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Speaker 1: so walls. She Seth Walsh was on a few minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're overreacting to the street takeover thing

489
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Speaker 1: a little bit?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 1: Thirty nine people arrested, sixty five cars towed, and a

492
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Speaker 1: planned streak takeover event, and you know, it's all over

493
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Speaker 1: the news, it's all over social MEDIAU one hundred drivers

494
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Speaker 1: involved here, people coming from all over the region, from Dayton,

495
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Speaker 1: Columbus and elsewhere in order to participate in these street takeovers.

496
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Speaker 1: And you got a couple stolen guns and they're sure

497
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Speaker 1: fortunately I went injured in this thing. But is this

498
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Speaker 1: concern over street takeovers any different than what drag racing

499
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Speaker 1: was back in the sixties and seventies, And then cars

500
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Speaker 1: got really crappy in the eighties and no one no

501
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Speaker 1: one did any more because you couldn't really go how

502
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Speaker 1: to drag race somebody when your car does like forty

503
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Speaker 1: five miles an hour in the steerwheel shakes. So I

504
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Speaker 1: just want to make sure I like, I'm not overreacting

505
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Speaker 1: to this whole thing with the parole clutching, because it

506
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Speaker 1: is about text and perspective. You know, we all and

507
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Speaker 1: if you're been how old you are, you remember the

508
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Speaker 1: even then grossly outdated drivers education tear scare flicks that

509
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Speaker 1: they showed to us when we're in the process of

510
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Speaker 1: getting our permit.

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Speaker 6: The highway is a river of glass and steel, and

512
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Speaker 6: like any river, it can kill you. This is the road.

513
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Speaker 6: It doesn't care about you. It never has. He had

514
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Speaker 6: the right of way, he was also dead. And my favorites.

515
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Speaker 6: Metal does not forgive, concrete does not forgive, physics never forgives.

516
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Speaker 7: Signal thirty and made by the Ohio State Highway Patrol,

517
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Speaker 7: by the way, absolute legendary, legendary stuff. I don't think

518
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Speaker 7: the driver's ed films that we watch really scared anyone

519
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Speaker 7: and complied. So I goes certainly bloody and gory for

520
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Speaker 7: the day, because you know, today you can get far less,

521
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Speaker 7: far more alow of blood and gore on your phone

522
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Speaker 7: than you could back in the day and you kind

523
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Speaker 7: of watch it and go that's kind of gross.

524
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Speaker 1: So the guy got ooh man. Remember I went to

525
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Speaker 1: the guard rail and the guy was impaled, and they

526
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Speaker 1: showed that like, oh man. I don't think it really

527
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Speaker 1: scared anybody from not doing stupid stuff behind the wheelbows

528
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Speaker 1: because it was like nineteen fifty. Man, come on, it's

529
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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. Come on, that's different. Really. But I

530
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Speaker 1: bring this up because you know, today's street takeovers are

531
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Speaker 1: yesterday's drag race, isn't That was, of course drag race

532
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Speaker 1: immortalized in movies like American Graffiti and others. Right, that's

533
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Speaker 1: essentially I guess that's why I think of the nineteen fifties,

534
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Speaker 1: like the threat of nuclear war and going in to

535
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Speaker 1: the drive in and drag racing people. I think that

536
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Speaker 1: were basically those three things. I was not part of

537
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Speaker 1: the area in which I grew up, so but I

538
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Speaker 1: look at the issue here, and it's a very serious

539
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Speaker 1: one because you had, as I said, one hundred drivers

540
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Speaker 1: involved in this thing, couple stolen guns and they kept

541
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Speaker 1: moving to different neighborhoods, and a testament to CPD because

542
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Speaker 1: they were definitely hit it out of the park as

543
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Speaker 1: far as is following this group around and enacting arrests,

544
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Speaker 1: and it may be part of the you know, the

545
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Speaker 1: young brain thing. And I can't help but think, Okay,

546
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Speaker 1: is this just is it today's version of drag racing?

547
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Speaker 1: And in some ways yes, in some ways no. I mean,

548
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Speaker 1: obviously you have young people, you have cars, you have speed,

549
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Speaker 1: you have risk taking. And it's also part of virtue

550
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Speaker 1: signaling and identity and community for young people because there's

551
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: a subculture, its own rules, its own hierarchy, its own language.

552
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Speaker 1: That's what being young is, right, that that's part of it.

553
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: That's how you define the cohort. And of course drag

554
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: racing back in the day and street tookers today both

555
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Speaker 1: draw law enforcement attention and outrage from old people like me.

556
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Speaker 1: And you know, the thrill seeking youth panic is nothing new.

557
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Speaker 1: It was that way, I think right after Adam and

558
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Speaker 1: Eve pretty much we started having the thrill seeking youth

559
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Speaker 1: that juvenile delinquents. You know, in the nineteen sixties and seventies,

560
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: drag racing was Yeah, it migrated eventually from the streets

561
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: to drag strips or largely it was you know, in

562
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Speaker 1: rural areas or highways. But the difference here is street

563
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: takeovers happen at busy intersections, urban areas, with innocent people

564
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Speaker 1: and bystanders inches away. So the risk isn't just as

565
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Speaker 1: participants as it was with the drag races. Lots of course,

566
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Speaker 1: you know, he went off and killed somebody, but the

567
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Speaker 1: risk isn't just the participants. And drag racing back in

568
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Speaker 1: the day it was about raw performance. It was getting

569
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Speaker 1: from point A and the starting line to point B

570
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Speaker 1: the finish line and as little time as possible. Street

571
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: takeovers now it's about drifting and donuts and show and

572
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: so you occupy you an intersection public space longer, and

573
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: therefore it's a bigger risk of crowds. And you also

574
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Speaker 1: factor in social media too, and it just it makes

575
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Speaker 1: it more. You know, obviously, back in the sixties seven,

576
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: I'm sure drag racing was more word of mouth. Today,

577
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, it goes viral overnight and it spreads. But

578
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest difference here is I don't know

579
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: if it happened back in the day, but it's there's

580
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Speaker 1: no way it happened less than it is today in

581
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Speaker 1: that weapons are involved here, and that's the biggest difference.

582
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, the street tag ver events in a number

583
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: of cases involved gunfire, could be celebratory, could be from

584
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Speaker 1: disputes and beefs. That wasn't happening with drag races back

585
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Speaker 1: in the day, and now it's escalated to actually blocking

586
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: freeway on ramps and stopping traffic and eventually you're holding

587
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: infrastructure hostage, is what you're doing. That's a whole different

588
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: legal and moral category than two guys racing a red light.

589
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: You know, as I said, you know, fear has has

590
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: always been amplified generationally. The drag racing of the fifties

591
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: and sixties was portrayed is a it'd be a gateway

592
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Speaker 1: to delinquency and depth. Juvenilinquency and drag racing go hand

593
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 1: in hand. But you know, jazz music in the thirties

594
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: also added to juvenilinquency when the automobile became something that

595
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: young people embraced and leaned into, you know, with the

596
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: with the little jump seat in the back, the rumble seat,

597
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: you know, and going and driving out to the country

598
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: now so to get away from people, so you can

599
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: do what young people are doing for a long time now.

600
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Speaker 1: And I have sex so believe it or not. Sex

601
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: is not a new invention. It's been going on the

602
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: time between young people because that's what you people like

603
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: to have sex, and so you know, it's all put

604
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: in that moral panic kind of thing going on to

605
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: and that's true today as it was yesterday. But you know,

606
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: most participants then weren't really people with criminal records. Most

607
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,239
Speaker 1: participants day now aren't either. I don't think it's more

608
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: the thrill thing, but I guess the different thing is

609
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: that it's the same impulse and the modern version of

610
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: this is more dangerous to uninvolve people. And then you

611
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: add the mix of guns in there too, and I

612
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: think that's made in the dark difference between yesterday and today.

613
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: But it still is built on the same old adage

614
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: about these damn young kids back in my day never

615
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: did anything like this. Yeah, it's because the needle keeps moving,

616
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: it keeps changing, it keeps evolving, and so it was

617
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: offensive to older generations when we were young. Is kind

618
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: of quaint and pretty basic today because it's always evolving.

619
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Speaker 1: So now and I think in this case, you know,

620
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: taking the streets over and blocking traffic is obviously a

621
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: bad idea. It could be a minor convenience. But as

622
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: a matter of time, before you do this in a

623
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: highway and somebody's going to get killed, and this person's

624
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: gonna get killed, and we'll get serious about it. Maybe

625
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: I'll circle back with our lawmaker in northern Kentucky was

626
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: proposing much much stiffer crimes in Kentucky, and they're still

627
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: working their way through this here in Cincinnati. Mistere mean.

628
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: It's an m one, mistermeanor of first degree and it's

629
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Speaker 1: very low. It's you know, that's a ticket. I don't

630
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: know if that dissuades people from not doing it again, because,

631
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: as you know, as a point of assaf the problem

632
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: is we just keep arresting the same people and releasing

633
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: them and debate when you say what you will about

634
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: the political partisan wars out there, that's part of it,

635
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: for sure. But I don't think I'm wrong in saying that,

636
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: you know, the policies and Democrats and progressives are to simply, yeah,

637
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: you know what, the criminals are victims too. I think

638
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: it's a bad look. I think that's an entirely the

639
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: wrong way to think about it. And here we are.

640
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: There's other factors involved in this, for sure, but the

641
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: touchy feel of stuff. You know, there are people who

642
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: are going to be predators and take advantage of you

643
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: being soft on crime, and when they're not, it just

644
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: escalates it first further. And that's why you see people

645
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: with shooting each other in public and claiming that it's

646
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: in the act of self defense when neither one should

647
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: have a gun in the first place. I mean, that's

648
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: how we got here, right, there's no denying that. But

649
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: we'll see where this whole thing goes in the summer months.

650
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: Not even here yet. Hell, we got snow moving in

651
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: today and we've got what sixties percent rise in shootings

652
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: in the first ten weeks of the year. It's not good,

653
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I know, crime all overall though again the crime picture

654
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: nationally just saw a story today that it's all down

655
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: all over the place. So we might be an outlier

656
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: in that category, and I just think we should be

657
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: a little bit nervous about it warming up and what

658
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: the hell happens next, And hopefully you can get the

659
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: resources together and take the seriously and realize, hey, listen,

660
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you got to split some wigs in order to

661
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: send the message that we're not going to allow this stuff.

662
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: And you get really really tough on crime. But when

663
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: you're one hundred plus one hundred and fifty plus cops down,

664
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of hard to do. It's kind of hard

665
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: to do anyway, So we got that going on. If

666
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: you live in suburby, like I do, not a problem

667
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: for us. I haven't seen many street takeovers. But then again,

668
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: you know you're you're literally close to rural areas and

669
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: do this somewhere else. But you know, part of the

670
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: peal too, is doing it in you know, with with

671
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: Cincinnati the backdrop. I would say that other factors that

672
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: social media right is doing it. I don't know out

673
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: on a country road somewhere, and Clairemont County is not

674
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: going to provide you with the same number of clicks

675
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: as you're going to get if the backdrop is of

676
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati in downtown intersection. That's part of

677
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: this as well. Part of this as well, all right,

678
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: other stuff going on. I did not watch it. I

679
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: did want to see Conan's monologue stuff because I may

680
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: be an outlier. I think Conan O'Brian's hilarious, but so

681
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a big award show person. But one battle

682
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: after another was a big winner last night at the

683
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: Academy Awards Best Picture and Best Director and Best Supporting

684
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Actor and Best Drafted Screenplant on what that means, but

685
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: I know that Sean Penn was absolutely incredible in that

686
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: though I watched that one. Wow, Sean Penn is going

687
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: to win an oscar and he did last night. The

688
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: other big winner was Sinners, which I'm not allowed to

689
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: watch because it's technically a horror flick and my wife

690
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: will not allow that in her house, so IM have

691
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: to sneak off and watch. So like I watched Nuremberg

692
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: this weekend and with Russell Crown was fantastic, by the way,

693
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic. Yeah, K Pop had a good night. I

694
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: know that I did see this. Though War of the

695
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Worlds dominated the forty six Razzie Awards, that is, the

696
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: awards given out to the worst films of the year.

697
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: War of the Worlds. I briefly remember seeing a trailer

698
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: for that going that doesn't look very good. The other

699
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: movies were The Weekend, Don't Know What that is in

700
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the Lost Lands, Alarm, and tron Airis, which was terrible.

701
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: The Razzies also worded Kate Hudson like ay Kate Hudson.

702
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: Didn't she just do that Neil Diamond movie. Yeah, she

703
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: got the Redeemer Award for her Oscar nominated performance in

704
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: Songs Sung Blue, and she has won three Razzies in

705
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: the past, my best Friend's Girl, Mother's Day and Music.

706
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't know any of those, Kate Hudson. I think

707
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: she's gets got to get better screeners, like people read

708
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: the script and I don't have to do this. She

709
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: has a role and it's always in a terrible movie,

710
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: and she's a better actress than that. But I watched

711
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: Songs Sung Blue. I thought it was really really good.

712
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Who doesn't like some Neil Diamond. It was a fantastic,

713
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: fairly true story on top of it, So take that

714
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: for what you will. Hey, if you're headed out of

715
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: town anytime soon, I feel for you. US Airlines have

716
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: urged Congress to move quickly at the end the month log.

717
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're still in a government shutdown. By the

718
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: partial government shutdown. We're really good at that other stuff

719
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: not so much. We had travel well last weekend, as

720
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, and now the flight from Florida

721
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: to here, it was a little bit of a long line.

722
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, ain't nothing like it is

723
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: today though, So if you have to travel anytime today

724
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: in the near future, I feel for you because the

725
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: TSA agents are overwhelmed. We have disruptions at a lot

726
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: of airports right now. Local groups have stepped up to

727
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: provide help to TSA agents who have gone without paychecks

728
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: now for two weeks. The Justice Department is investigating about

729
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: the cost overruns and a renovation project. We got a

730
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: lot going on in the federal government right including this

731
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: little war we're having by the way, it goes by

732
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: the wayside. But TSA agents, man, if you're traveling, be

733
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: a little bit kinder, a little bit more. I guess

734
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: open to saying there's gonna be some delays. It's not

735
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: their fault. They're also not getting paid and they're working.

736
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: So I put ourselves, put ourselves in those shoes. It's

737
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: a different story, intelligy, Speaking of which, I want to

738
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: end the segment. This morning, something happened on Friday that

739
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: had the potential to be weekend ruining, which was actually

740
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: really really wrong. So Friday, I'm out, I'm like, I

741
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: washed my car, Like okay, it's get some of the

742
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: salt off got rid of the old salt, so I

743
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: can get new salt today. That's fine, just try to

744
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: make it another year in the old hooptie. But anyway,

745
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: I roll up and I'm gonna get gas. So I

746
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: roll into the gas station. I gonna use some fuel points,

747
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: and I pull up to a pump and I noticed

748
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: the pump in front of you. There's always two pumps,

749
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: and I pull up and there's no one there. I'm like,

750
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: this is a great time before it gets really full

751
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: at lunch hour. And so I pull up a pumping

752
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: my gas. Now, the pump in front of me had

753
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: the orange cone of death in front of it, meaning

754
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: that that pump was not working. And so I pull

755
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: out and I'm pumping, and I look over and a

756
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: guy's sitting behind me in his car, and he has

757
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: giving me the moose Man. He's got a moose on

758
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: his face. He has pissed off, and he's saying things

759
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: that I can tell are directed to me, even though

760
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: I can't hear it. And I know, and I'm often

761
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: told by my wife STFU. But I got a chirp,

762
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: so I give him the you know what, and he

763
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: starts yelling through his winchel even more, and I realize

764
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: it's like, because I've parked at the first one and

765
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: said the second one, I'm like, well, there's a cone there.

766
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: Now I can't hear it because he's in his car,

767
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: And so he pulls around, swings his car on, gets out,

768
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: starts pumping gas and he's with him, you know, the

769
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: next island over. And I said, dude, what's your problem?

770
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: You got what do we have a problem? And no,

771
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: like it sounds like we have a problem. Let me

772
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: know if we got a problem. And I may have

773
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: sent some other choice words there to emphasize it. Something

774
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: that I'm pumping my gas, I'm not paying attention, and

775
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of pissed off, like, come on, man, what

776
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: do you want me to pull up to a pump

777
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: that's broken? God, people are out of their minds these days,

778
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 1: and you know, because it's me, I'm getting myself worked

779
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: up even more. And so I'm just about finishing and

780
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: I look up and this guy is walking towards me,

781
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well here we go. So I

782
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: get on the right side. I don't want to trip

783
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: over the uh, you know, over the hose, So I

784
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: step over that, and I'm putting my watching his hands.

785
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: He's got one hand in his pocket. I'm like, okay, well,

786
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: if he's got something there, I'm gonna be in trouble.

787
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: And so I'm looking for covermine, that pump or my

788
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: car or something else. And he takes one step closer.

789
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, he's about three or four steps away

790
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: from me. So I kind of quickly moved towards him

791
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: and he backs up a little bit and he goes, hey,

792
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: I just want to apologize. I'm sorry. I didn't see

793
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: the cone there. Man, I was wrong, and I went

794
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: from having a crappy day to having an incredible day.

795
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: Like I stood there for a second and then I

796
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: walked towards him a little more, and he kind of

797
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: backed up, thinking I was going to poke him or something.

798
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: I stuck my hand out. I said, man, that is

799
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: the best thing I've heard in a long time. Thank

800
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: you for doing that. I understand we're all there. Hope

801
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: you have a great weekend, you know, stuff like that.

802
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: It's like we all make mistakes and maybe react in

803
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: the wrong way. But to walk up to a stranger

804
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: and say, man, I was wrong, I apologize absolutely huge,

805
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: and I want to be that guy more than me.

806
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: Quite honestly, it was cool. Made my weekend. Scott Sloan

807
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: on the way it's Austin Elmo will break down a

808
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: little selection Sunday action. Miami's in. You agree with that,

809
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: you gotta be happy. I'm sure Auburn fans are mad

810
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: as hell about it. We got a number of teams

811
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: from the area not from Cincinnati in the tournament. We'll

812
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: talk to Audi about that next on the Home of

813
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: the Reds and College Basketball. But not well, you see

814
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: xavior over for them. How about the Red seven hundred?

815
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Nobody's Cincinnati. That music means something, well, that music used

816
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: to mean some.

817
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 7: We've got sports, sports and more sports come once mean

818
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 7: I don't know, I don't know. It celebrates it used

819
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 7: to mean something, used to mean something. Today we celebrates.

820
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Wow, our buddy Austin Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty today

821
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: is Austin three sixteen. Congratulations. Thanks we have. We got

822
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: to get into some bracketology. As the kids say here

823
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: from out the brackets, bracketology.

824
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 7: Bracketology is more of a disease than it is a

825
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 7: study of a science.

826
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: At this point, more like a lance kind of thing. Yeah,

827
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: that kind of geeky stuff. Anyway, I will say this,

828
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: We've gone from Wes Miller to Les Miller. There's no

829
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: more Wes Miller in the house. We have Les Miller.

830
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: I'll tell you.

831
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 7: I sat here on Friday and I was pretty confident,

832
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 7: like Wes Miller's still going to be the coach of Cincinnati.

833
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: Like I really thought that was going to be the case.

834
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 7: And part of that is because I don't really have

835
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 7: a lot of faith in the people that make the

836
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 7: decisions over there, and I thought that they would just

837
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 7: run it back with Wes Miller. To their credit, they

838
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 7: did not. They did what they were supposed to do,

839
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 7: which is move on from a dude that can't get

840
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 7: you to the NCAA tournament. And it's bigger than that.

841
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: It is the way you got in, but also how

842
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: you collapse in the last few minutes of that game.

843
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: And to me, Austin, I would have been shocked had

844
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: this not happen in a program at this level.

845
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 7: And I know what you say, Hey, they love Wes Miller.

846
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 7: I guess he's got the secret sauce. But again, yeah,

847
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 7: you can't win. But it's the way they lost that game.

848
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 7: That you have to say, listen, this is not what

849
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 7: we expect this program to be. Blowing an eight point

850
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 7: lead with two minutes ago and the strange time out

851
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 7: on the final possession to end the regulation period, and

852
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 7: then to go into overtime and really not have much

853
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 7: of a fight there. I think that was kind of

854
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 7: like the perfect encapsulation of the West Miller era. When

855
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 7: you really really needed a bucket down the stretch, you

856
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 7: couldn't find one correct, and you just weren't able to

857
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 7: outlast a team in UCF, which is is kind of

858
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 7: a rival to you see it going back to the

859
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 7: football days. So yeah, man, I it sucks for west

860
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 7: Miller because I do think he's a legitimately good guy,

861
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 7: and you know, he's been on our show many times

862
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 7: and he was awesome and he was gracious and I'm glad,

863
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 7: but I can't move the goalpost. The goal was always

864
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 7: to get back to the NCAA tournament, and he didn't

865
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 7: do it. It feels like he's in over his head and

866
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: it just makes sense for both parties to move on.

867
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Where did they go? It's a good question.

868
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 7: I think the main guy that keeps getting brought up

869
00:39:54,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 7: for Cincinnati is Jared Calhoun, former UC assistant under By Huggins,

870
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 7: played in his final year here. He's out there coaching

871
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 7: Utah State. They're in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. He's been

872
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 7: really really good with them. He used to coach in

873
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 7: the Horizon League at Youngstown State. Took the Youngstown State

874
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 7: to the NC DOUBLEA tournament. So he's got some experience

875
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 7: in this area. That's the one that makes the most sense.

876
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 7: But you can't just say this is our guy, no

877
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 7: matter what. You got to do a broad search. I'm

878
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 7: sure they will.

879
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So back to the tournament selection Sunday yesterday,

880
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: How surprised are you Miami of Ohio r Miami squad

881
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: gets in at thirty one and one. Honestly, I was like,

882
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: how do you get the play in game after going

883
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: thirty one and one? Yeah?

884
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 7: I think they got the first four that play in

885
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 7: game in Dayton because they lost the way that they

886
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 7: did in the MAC Tournament. If they had advanced to

887
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 7: the MAC tournament, maybe it's a different story. Maybe they're,

888
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 7: you know, one of those fourteen seeds it gets straight

889
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 7: into the tournament. Maybe there's something else and they steal

890
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 7: a bid from someone else. But because of the way

891
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 7: that they lost, I think that bumped them down to

892
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 7: being one of the final teams in. But they're gonna

893
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 7: play in Dayton. That'll be awesome for Miami fans to

894
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 7: be able to see a basically a home game less

895
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 7: than an hour away from Oxford. To get to watch

896
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 7: your team in the NCAA tournament. Hell yeah, that.

897
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: Would be huge. And certainly they could do it against

898
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: SMU and it's a home it's a home game. But

899
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: then you get Tennessee in a second. Yeah, not going

900
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: to be easy. Not gonna be easy. It never was

901
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: going to be easy.

902
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 7: But I mean it's better than being a fourteen seed

903
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 7: like Wright State, who's in the same bracket. You know,

904
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 7: it would be really funny if Miami wins and beats SMU,

905
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 7: and then they beat Tennessee, and meanwhile Wright State beats Virginia,

906
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 7: and Virginia, by the way, they've been known to lose

907
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 7: a big game in the tournament in the first round.

908
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 7: Could you imagine a Miami right State battle to go

909
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 7: to the sweet sixteen?

910
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: Would be cool. That's where dreams are made.

911
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 7: I think it's kind of cool. I'm kind of I

912
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 7: got it right here. You hear this. This is I

913
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 7: got the bracket right here in front of me. It's fine.

914
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 7: I'm looking around. I see Wright State, Miami, Akron, Ohio State, Ohio.

915
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 7: Weall representatives. Yeah, there's a lot of teams from Ohio

916
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 7: here except for you know a couple.

917
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: Anyways.

918
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: Hello, yes, check one one one one hello, okay, one

919
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: too hello all right. Other than teams from Cincinnati, we're

920
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: good the college basketball, yeah, staple Cleveland not having any

921
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: team so choice.

922
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 7: Cleveland State was halfway d a couple of years ago.

923
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 7: Cleveland State from right, so the East region. Maybe a

924
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 7: team from Ohio will move out and it could be Miami.

925
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: Who knows. The bowling Green Falcons aren't in the areas,

926
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: they're not nowhere, terrible at sports. So NC State, Texas

927
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: and SMU, by the way, all came in after Miami

928
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: of Ohio, so it wasn't like they're the last team

929
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: to get in. And okay, but I still think, man,

930
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: come on, you can't fourteen fifteen. But maybe this is

931
00:42:58,239 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: a better position.

932
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, either way, I think a lot the

933
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 7: first four gets a bad rap because it doesn't feel

934
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 7: like it's a part of the tournament. But it is

935
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 7: This is an NCAA tournament appearance, and plenty of teams

936
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 7: have won, especially teams that win to go on to

937
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 7: be an eleven seed, which is what Miami would be

938
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 7: have won in that situation and advanced in the tournament.

939
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 7: It's far from the worst possible outcome for them. But

940
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 7: the committee did look at the strength of schedule and

941
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 7: the loss in the MAC tournament and say, okay, well,

942
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 7: you're gonna have to earn your way in a little

943
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 7: bit more because of the schedule that.

944
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: You had to face. Yeah, all right, Austin Almore your

945
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: your your Ohio State Buckeyes. Yeah and tcu uh an

946
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: eight seed and first down matchup. Buckeye should should win

947
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: that one. If they do, though, how dangerous are they mean?

948
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: You know, Duke is the one that everyone has in

949
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: a second round, They're gonna get Duke.

950
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 7: So tough scene for Ohio State when you h literally

951
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 7: the second game revealed right after Duke is oh hey,

952
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 7: Ohio State, if you win, you get to play the

953
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 7: number one all seed in the Duke blu Devils. But listen,

954
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 7: Ohio State is this situation similar to you see where

955
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 7: they took a brief hiatus from the NC DOUBLEA Tournament.

956
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 7: They haven't been there in a few years either, and

957
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 7: so they're finally back. The best story about Ohio State

958
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 7: is Bruce Thorton. He is stuck around in Ohio State

959
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 7: for five years. He never left in the transfer portal.

960
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 7: He has been committed and loyal to that program. They've

961
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 7: changed coaches, all that stuff that typically a guy would

962
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 7: at the first chance runaway, Bruce Thornton stayed. Bruce Thorton's

963
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 7: now the all time leading scorer in Ohio State basketball

964
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 7: history and for the first time in his career, gets

965
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 7: to go to the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. That's a fun story.

966
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 7: TCU is no pushover. I mean, we've seen them a

967
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 7: little bit in the Big Twelve this year watching Cincinnati.

968
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 7: They're not going to be it's not going to be

969
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 7: a blowout. Here's the thing with Ohio State. They play

970
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 7: about thirty five minutes of really good basketball every night,

971
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 7: and they play five minutes of the worst basketball you've

972
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 7: ever seen. And that's why they're twenty one to twelve.

973
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 3: Got it.

974
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 7: So it seems like every game they play in the

975
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 7: second half, there's this little lull, and if they can

976
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 7: withstand that lull, they can advance and after that, good

977
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 7: luck against Duke.

978
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: All right, so it wasn't coach k It was like Duke.

979
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: They had to get a lot of legitimacy pants back

980
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: here after Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's been a minute

981
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: a while, stay a minute, right, get used to it.

982
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: Every year, Coach k it is going to be there.

983
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 7: Just and their coach John Shire came up with coach

984
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 7: k and so still anytime he leaves, it's going to

985
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 7: take a second to get back to this. And this

986
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 7: is the standard for Duke basketball to be the number

987
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 7: one overall season. Just speaking coming back, Louisville's in there

988
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 7: as a sixth seed. They got South Florida. I believe

989
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 7: you know, South Florida. That's pretty significant too. Yeah, deep

990
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 7: can they go? I don't know if they're going to

991
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 7: get past South Florida. I mean, right now, there may

992
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 7: not be a hotter team in college basketball than the

993
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 7: South Florida Bulls. A lot of people are picking this

994
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 7: team just because of how good they are offensively, as

995
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 7: that first round upset to take over Pat Kelsey and Louisville.

996
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 7: So they got a tough draw for sure, and even

997
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 7: if they do win, they're likely going to play tom

998
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 7: Izzo in Michigan State. I mean, that East Region bracket

999
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 7: is loaded with so much any good teams. Mick Cronin's

1000
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 7: on that side of the bracket as well. Oh, by

1001
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 7: the way, Danny Hurley and the Yukon Huskies are in

1002
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 7: that bracket as well. I mean that is difficult. No Oh,

1003
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 7: there's Kansas by the way as well. So it's not

1004
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 7: going to be easy. But Louisville's back in the tournament.

1005
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 7: South Florida can score man and that's going to be

1006
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 7: a challenge for Louisville.

1007
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: In Louisville is part of an interesting trend here. If

1008
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: you look at the multi bid conferences, the MAC got

1009
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: two in again every twenty years you do to thirty

1010
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: forty years, you got the A ten head two, the

1011
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Big twelve had eight, ACC had eight, doubled the number

1012
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: of teams representing the ACC this year.

1013
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 7: Part of that, Yeah, I mean that's a credit to

1014
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 7: that conference because that used to be one of the

1015
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 7: best different the best basketball conferences in the country. And

1016
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 7: so many years of Duke and North Carolina going back

1017
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 7: and forth and all that. Clemson has a good team,

1018
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 7: They've made the tournament this year and Louisville's resurgence under

1019
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 7: Pat Kelsey back where they're supposed to be.

1020
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: Now, NC State and SMU are playing games that's hey,

1021
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: they're there, Yeah they are, they're there. Let's go do

1022
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: uk Kentucky and it's say seventeed the Midwest they've got

1023
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: they're picking up Santa Clara. So like a little preseason

1024
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: game there at a little for Kentucky. They played, Kentucky.

1025
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 7: Played, they're playing down Yeah, I mean, you want to

1026
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 7: talk about five minutes of horrible basketball. Kentucky fans have

1027
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 7: seen that a lot at times this year for them. Yeah,

1028
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 7: you just never know what Mark Pope's team is gonna

1029
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 7: gonna give you. And there are times where they look

1030
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 7: like they could easily make a run deep in the tournament,

1031
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 7: and there are times where they look like they should

1032
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 7: be playing in the CBI. Like it's hard to put

1033
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 7: a finger on what Kentucky is going to be on

1034
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 7: a nightly basis. And I'm not going to sit here

1035
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 7: and pretend that I know anything about Santa Clara.

1036
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea, I have no clue, no clims

1037
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: like that I have know who this is. However, if

1038
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: they do beat Santa Clair, they got a good play

1039
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Iowa State. That's a little bit more of a test. Yeah,

1040
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: it is.

1041
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,479
Speaker 7: I mean the Big Twelve, I think is the best

1042
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 7: basketball conference in the country. In Iowa State, though, is not.

1043
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 7: They've lost big games before. I mean they've lost games

1044
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 7: they shouldn't have lost before. You might remember since Sinnatty

1045
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 7: beat them like a Grand Canyon Mule a couple of

1046
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 7: weeks ago. So yeah, I mean it's it's it's as

1047
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 7: corny as it sounds, like the whole March madness thing.

1048
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 7: Like you can see a run for any number of

1049
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 7: these teams, like early on favorites losing in the first round.

1050
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: It's very possible, Like a team like Houston.

1051
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 3: Right.

1052
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 7: Houston's a perfect example. They are not nearly what they

1053
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 7: used to be, but they're still really good. But there

1054
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 7: are more holes than we've seen from them in the past, right, Right,

1055
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 7: But they're just one of.

1056
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: Those teams like you don't know what you're gonna wind

1057
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: up getting. Oh, you can say I made Kentucky, you

1058
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: know Kentucky Ohio State they put can can get rid

1059
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: of that five minutes of IC or ten minutes of INC. Yep,

1060
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: they can make a deep run here.

1061
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's consistency, it's you know, the big thing. I

1062
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 7: always feel like every good basketball team, when you need

1063
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 7: it the most, has a player that can go and

1064
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 7: get you a bucket, that can put the team on

1065
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 7: their back. And you know, I think Ohio State has

1066
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 7: that in Bruce Thornton. You know, obviously the name that

1067
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 7: that a lot of people are talking about right now

1068
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 7: from Arkansas is is Darius Acuff, who went crazy yesterday

1069
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 7: for John Calipari. By the way, how about coach col

1070
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 7: all of a sudden sec champions I'm on with Arkansas.

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Speaker 7: You know those types of players. Do you have that

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Speaker 7: player that you can lean on to go and get

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Speaker 7: you a bucket in a big moment?

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Speaker 1: All right? So we're chopping up with Austin Elmore here

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Speaker 1: from ESPN fifteen thirty with the March madness now in

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Speaker 1: full swing here on seven hundred WW. Big star of

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Speaker 1: course is Mayam Ohio getting in. He has to playing

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Speaker 1: game in Dayton yet it's gonna be a home game

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Speaker 1: for them. Can they advance? Sure? But after that it's Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: So circle that one on your calendar. I would point

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Speaker 1: out too, going back to Miama, Ohio, Austin that Auburn

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Speaker 1: went seventeen and sixteen and they beat Florida defending national championship.

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Speaker 1: They didn't get en over Miami. How to how pissed

1084
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Speaker 1: are the people down there.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure they're upset, But also they went seventeen and sixteen.

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Speaker 7: That's true, and they obviously have a really difficult schedule

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Speaker 7: and playing in a really good conference. And I understand

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Speaker 7: that argument to say the least. But I mean, you

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Speaker 7: went seventeen and sixteen. You gotta win the games that

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Speaker 7: are on your schedule, and they were inconsistent all year long.

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Speaker 1: We think Miami of Ohio is the darling, but I mean,

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Speaker 1: clearly the darling is Nebraska. It's one of those teams

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Speaker 1: that you're like, wow, Nebraska. Yeah, I mean they've been

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Speaker 1: pretty good.

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Speaker 7: I mean they were at one point there were three

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Speaker 7: undefeated teams left in the country. It was Miami, Arizona,

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Speaker 7: and Nebraska. And I remember, you know, like you rub

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Speaker 7: your eyes and you look at it again, does that.

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Speaker 1: Say what we're talking for? Nebraska?

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Speaker 7: That's what I thought when I saw a higher state

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Speaker 7: in TCU playing, I said, is it twenty fourteen in

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Speaker 7: the College Football Playoff? But yeah, it's yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 7: pretty wild to see Nebraska back in the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 7: All right, So every bracket is going to have a

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Speaker 7: double a double of the Huskers double digits to goes.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to join our office bracket Challenge this year? No?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: I might?

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Speaker 5: No?

1110
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Speaker 1: Yeah, why not?

1111
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 8: I want?

1112
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Speaker 1: I don't know because it's I'm not sure. I don't

1113
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: like to pretend to like you know what. I picked

1114
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: my friends. I picked my own friends. I'm asking you

1115
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: to be best friends.

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00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 7: I'm asking you for ten American dollars because the people

1117
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 7: and a submission to the tournament challenge, and if you win,

1118
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 7: you you win a couple of bucks.

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Speaker 1: When's the when is my when's the bracket deadline? In

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Speaker 1: this fine office? By Friday or by Thursday?

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Speaker 7: Thursday? Okay, Thursday at noon. I'll get it into you.

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00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 7: I would like it if you did. I make it

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Speaker 7: really easy on people. I've been so for years. No,

1124
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Speaker 7: he's normally the last couple of years, he's been towards

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Speaker 7: the bottom. But you know, Moe bestowed this responsibility upon

1126
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Speaker 7: me a couple of years ago. And you're one of

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Speaker 7: the people that were chasing You've never participated since I've

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Speaker 7: been a part of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't really like you people.

1130
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 7: I know that, but that doesn't you don't have to

1131
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 7: You don't have to sit and watch the games, you know,

1132
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Speaker 7: because you're my buddy, You're Austin. I'm in Okay, thank you,

1133
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 7: I'm in Ai. It's ten bucks. It's not the money

1134
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 7: you lose one hundred in the wash every day.

1135
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: Yeah I do. That's why I'm going to the filter

1136
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 1: taking a washing again. Every bracket has that double digit

1137
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: Cinderella story in the East. Who is it? Oh boy?

1138
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Speaker 7: From a double digit seed to Ohio State? Is that

1139
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 7: Yukon Louisville. I don't think Furman can do it.

1140
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Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know. I don't think Florida can

1141
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: do it. I got no hops run.

1142
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it's amazing how quickly you can do that,

1143
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 7: like to just like between him and said, you just

1144
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 7: don't even hesitate.

1145
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: To h by the way I have, I don't even

1146
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: know what a method. When when we.

1147
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 7: Left the old studios to these studios that sometimes work,

1148
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 7: there was a reds jersey with Furman the last name

1149
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 7: are Furman on the back. You gave me that jersey

1150
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 7: when we have that, I still have it still.

1151
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: That's huge.

1152
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 7: And it's funny because that thing was pinned up. The

1153
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 7: front of it was up against the wall, so the

1154
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 7: back of it is like all dusty and worn and

1155
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 7: seen by the sun, but the front of it looks

1156
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 7: like a brand new jersey. And it's probably twenty five

1157
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 7: years old. You get him to sign it. I know,

1158
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 7: I need to get a Randy Firman.

1159
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: There you go.

1160
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Speaker 7: Anyways, South Florida in the East is the double digit

1161
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 7: seed to go.

1162
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, Louisville, Louisville, you're out. You're out. Is it

1163
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion that Duke is your national champion? I

1164
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: don't think so.

1165
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 7: I think the best teams in the country are Michigan,

1166
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 7: Florida and Duke. I'm not entirely a believer in Arizona,

1167
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 7: but you can absolutely make that argument. And I'll never ever, ever, ever,

1168
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 7: ever ever pick Michigan to win anything. So I'll take

1169
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 7: the Florida Gators to go back to back and win

1170
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 7: the national champs. So again, you're betting with your heart

1171
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 7: and not your head. Uh, this is a mix of both. Okay, yeah,

1172
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Speaker 7: all right, fair enough. Austin Elmer, what's on the Big Show?

1173
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 7: Today at noon on ESPN fifteen thirty. We're going to

1174
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 7: see if we remember how to do a show because

1175
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 7: Kentucky basketball preempted us Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.

1176
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Speaker 1: Of last week.

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Speaker 7: Can you see if Tony still recognizes me? Now, Tony

1178
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 7: was the Saint Patrick's Day Parade grand marshall over the weekend,

1179
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 7: so I have no idea what type of condition he's

1180
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 7: going to be in.

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Speaker 1: When he walks the studios today. He should be fine, buddy.

1182
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 1: He's got Patrick's Day now, that's true. And as Leprechaun

1183
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: and he's the Yeah, he's the Queen of the prom

1184
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: so all that sort of stuff. So we'll see how

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Speaker 1: he does. We'll see if we remember how to do

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00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: a show.

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Speaker 7: But we got a lot to talk about that we

1188
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 7: didn't get to last week, especially the Bengals and obviously

1189
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Speaker 7: Wes Miller and so on.

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Speaker 1: Yep, you got it. So it's all a chopped out

1191
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: again at noon today over in ESPN fifteen thirty. Give

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Speaker 1: it a listen. Thanks again, Buddy, appreciates you. Here's my

1193
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: ten bucks seven hundred WLW.

1194
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 7: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she's here

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00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 7: to help us get our heads right.

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Speaker 4: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julietshire.

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Speaker 1: That was interesting. You know, your brain, maybe not mine,

1198
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Speaker 1: but your yours was built for the outdoors. Most of

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Speaker 1: us barely step outside, ay more especially kids, and there's

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Speaker 1: some significant things that happened, some good things had happened

1201
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: when you do on that in that mind body connection.

1202
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Speaker 1: Is Julie hat to share, our licensed mental health therapist

1203
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: out of Clifton and Cincinnati, jumping on the show again

1204
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: this morning at beconnected dot Care. Good morning, how are you?

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Speaker 5: Good morning? I'm great?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. We were outdoors yesterday. Today is a

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Speaker 1: different story because we're in Cincinnati and the weather sucks here.

1209
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: It's really not pretty out is it.

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Speaker 1: It is not no, no, no no. You go from

1211
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Speaker 1: good to bad to bad and good. But it's true.

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Speaker 1: We know that the human brain needs it and we

1213
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: need a little bit of outdoors. What specifically happens when

1214
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Speaker 1: you step outside is I guess the big question here?

1215
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Speaker 1: That makes you feel good? Or at least it should

1216
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Speaker 1: make you feel good. Anyway, from a clinical standpoint, what

1217
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: do you see in patients who are chronically indoors? How

1218
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: does that show up?

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Speaker 9: It's interesting because you know, for most of our human evolution,

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00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 9: we use large parts of our lives outside. Even if

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Speaker 9: we worked, for example, in a factory, we still generally

1222
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 9: walked to and from work. We often live large parts

1223
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 9: of our lives outside. And it's only been in the

1224
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 9: last really small part of the entire history.

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Speaker 5: Of human evolution that.

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Speaker 9: We've gone from a home to a vehicle, to an office,

1227
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 9: to a vehicle to a home without really spending any

1228
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 9: time outside. And as we have become more sophisticated in

1229
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 9: testing what happens in our brains.

1230
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Speaker 5: And our bodies, we're learning that time.

1231
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 9: Outside, even as little as five to ten minutes, can

1232
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 9: make a difference in how we feel and how our

1233
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 9: bodies act physiologically, and how we feel in terms of our.

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Speaker 5: Mental processes, in our moods. And so it doesn't even

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Speaker 5: have to be on a.

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Speaker 9: Lovely day, on a day like today, just being outside

1237
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 9: in nature in five to ten minutes, the heart rate flows,

1238
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 9: the nervous system calms down, and the stress response starts

1239
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 9: to go away. To ten minutes outside, that's not doing

1240
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 9: anything special, that's just being outside. In thirty minutes, we

1241
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 9: get even more benefits. We get a drop in cortisol,

1242
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 9: we get a drop in blood pressure, we get increased

1243
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 9: muscle relaxation, and we get a boost in mood in

1244
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 9: thirty minutes of just being outside.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing interesting. One of the phrases used here is

1246
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Speaker 1: attention restoration that keeps coming up in the research. What

1247
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: does that actually mean.

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00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 9: Well, we've talked many, many times about how we get

1249
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 9: over stimulated. There's so much calling our attention with all

1250
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 9: of the inputs we have from all of our devices,

1251
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 9: from all of the people in our world, from all

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 9: of the sites and sounds around us. If you live

1253
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 9: in a big city, it's like sensory overload. My big

1254
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Speaker 9: city is sort of like being a casino.

1255
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Speaker 5: Or an adult chuck e cheese. You know, it's sensory overload.

1256
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Speaker 9: Well, there's a lot that calls our attention when we're

1257
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 9: in nature, but it's softer.

1258
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 5: All of those calls are softer.

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Speaker 9: Wind moving through trees, bird sounds, grass under feet, leaves

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Speaker 9: crunching under us, the feel of the wind on our

1261
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 9: face if we're sitting in the grass, the feel of

1262
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 9: the grass under us, and so it allows our brain

1263
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 9: to stay engaged, but to sort of go offline a

1264
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 9: little bit, which then allows us to solve problems better,

1265
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 9: to be more imaginative, to focus better after time in nature,

1266
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Speaker 9: to be more creative, to be better at problem solving.

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Speaker 9: All of those things happen after about thirty to forty

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Speaker 9: five minutes in nature with devices turned off, so no

1269
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 9: inputs through your ears other than what you hear in

1270
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 9: the world around you, no screens in front of your face.

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Speaker 5: The brain resets and.

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Speaker 9: Can become much more productive in the aftermath of that

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 9: than it was going into it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, No, that makes sense. And we hear a

1275
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: lot about screen time being bad for us. Is there

1276
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: real problem the screens themselves or the screens are keeping

1277
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: us inside?

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00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 9: Both actually, because if you're on your screen outside, you're

1279
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 9: still not getting the full benefit of what's around you.

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00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 9: It's better than being inside on your screen, but you're

1281
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 9: still not reaping the full benefit of what's around you.

1282
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 9: And you know, we talked about how crummy the weather

1283
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 9: is in Cincinnati, and that's often the case, but even

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Speaker 9: being outside in bad weather, there's a lot of benefit

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Speaker 9: to that because the sun is shining, whether we can

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Speaker 9: see it or not, and the sunlight, even if it's

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Speaker 9: filtered through the cloud resets our circadian rhythm. We still

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Speaker 9: feel the effects of the wind and the temperature and

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Speaker 9: the surroundings, and it has the same impact.

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Speaker 5: Whether the weather is good or whether the weather is bad.

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Speaker 9: But the screens typically keep us inside, and they keep

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Speaker 9: us focused on artificial lights and artificial stimuli, which don't

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Speaker 9: have the same impact on the brain as being outside

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Speaker 9: in the world does.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's a forest or near.

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Speaker 9: The ocean, or on a river or on a lake,

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Speaker 9: whatever it is, being out or in a meadow, being

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Speaker 9: outside in the world has this impact on our body

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Speaker 9: and our brain and unervous.

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Speaker 1: If I'm on screen, if I'm a scrolling TikTok for

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Speaker 1: seven straight hours, but I'm doing it on a park bench,

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Speaker 1: isn't that better? Don't I get credit for something?

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Speaker 9: You get credit for being on a park bench.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm outside. I get the benefit of vitamin D

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Speaker 1: in the smell of the air, the birds. But I'm uh,

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Speaker 1: it's more entertaining to be on my phone, So it's better.

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Speaker 9: It's better than being inside, but it's not as good.

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Speaker 5: As putting your phone down.

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Speaker 9: It's not as good as putting your phone down, and

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Speaker 9: some of the things that it takes very little, like

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Speaker 9: thirty to sixty minutes a day improves your.

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Speaker 5: Mood and reduces anxiety.

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Speaker 9: Thirty to sixteen minutes a day also improves your focus

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Speaker 9: and mental clarity, and twenty.

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Speaker 5: To sixteen minutes a day.

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Speaker 9: Improves your sleep because of the light exposure first thing

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Speaker 9: in the morning and first thing in the morning. Light

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Speaker 9: exposure is really if you're having sleep difficulties, getting up

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Speaker 9: and opening your eyes and getting outside for about twenty

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Speaker 9: to thirty minutes, even ten or fifteen helps. First thing

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Speaker 9: in the morning sends the signal to your body that Okay,

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Speaker 9: it's daytime and now we need to start moving. That

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Speaker 9: then lets it power down at night when the light

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Speaker 9: goes down and the sun goes down.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Julie, morning sunlight gets mentioned for a lot of sleep,

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Speaker 1: But why does that timing specific morning? Why does that

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Speaker 1: matter so much?

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Speaker 9: Because our bodies operate on a circadian rhythm. We are designed.

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Speaker 9: Before there was electric light, we were designed to go

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Speaker 9: to three point it got dark and to wake up

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Speaker 9: when it was light. And for centuries, for much of

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Speaker 9: human evolution, we lived like that.

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Speaker 5: And then there was candle light, which was still a

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Speaker 5: softer light than.

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Speaker 9: Electric light or firelight, and then electric lights came along,

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Speaker 9: and electric lights extended the day significantly, dramatically extended the day,

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Speaker 9: and our bodies and our brains didn't.

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Speaker 5: Necessarily catch up to that.

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Speaker 9: So what happened and when you get morning light is

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Speaker 9: it tells your brain and your body and your hormones, okay,

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Speaker 9: now it's time to get going on your day. And

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Speaker 9: all of those things work together, and via the pituitary

1343
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Speaker 9: gland is one of the glands involved. All of those

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Speaker 9: things work together, and then as the sunlight goes down,

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Speaker 9: your body says, okay, it's time to start powering down.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 9: That's why we tend to sleep more in the winter

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Speaker 9: than we do in the summer, because daylight keeps us

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Speaker 9: awake longer, and when the lights go down, our body

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Speaker 9: tends to shut down. But the trigger for all of

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Speaker 9: that is mourning sunlight, whether it's sunny or gray light today, getting.

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Speaker 1: Outside helps Julie. I blame whales. I blame whales well.

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Speaker 1: So it was whale oil, lamp oil well, the original

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Speaker 1: lamp oil was whale oil. When we discovered a lamp

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Speaker 1: oil well from whales, we hunted whales, and it almost

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Speaker 1: made him extinct, and then we took the land and

1357
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: we said, well wait a minute, now we've got petroleum

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Speaker 1: in the ground, let's do that. And that was the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the twenty four to seven life cycles. But

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Speaker 1: you're going back a couple hundred years there. We have evolved,

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Speaker 1: have we not? Two hundred years that we don't need.

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Speaker 1: We just don't need. We don't live like that anymore.

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Speaker 1: So haven't we evolved?

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Speaker 9: I would say we've adapted to the life that we're living, but.

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Speaker 5: We actually haven't evolved.

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Speaker 9: Our brains and our bodies still work essentially the same

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Speaker 9: way they did then. Our brains still respond to the

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Speaker 9: keys and the signals of daylight and darkness the way

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Speaker 9: that they did then. So we have adapted to a

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Speaker 9: longer and artificially extended day, we have adapted to a

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Speaker 9: shorter and artificially shortened night, but we have not necessarily

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Speaker 9: evolved to it. So we still need what we needed,

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Speaker 9: We've just adapted to live without it, all right.

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Speaker 1: She's our licensed mental health practitioner, Julie Hattershare on the

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Speaker 1: Scotsland show Metal Health Monday, talking about your brain being

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01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: built for being outdoors and we barely step outside these

1377
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: days and got a lot of what ails us from

1378
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: mental health and beyond. Even the body for that matter,

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01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: be fixed with a little bit of just going out,

1380
01:03:57,480 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: putting the phone down, and even just standing in your

1381
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the road example, jumping out

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Speaker 1: of the way of the street takeovers. Getting outside is

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01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 1: a big deal. We're not doing it off and just

1384
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: a little bit is going to go a long way.

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Speaker 1: So what is the bare minimum here? We're talking like

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Speaker 1: ten minutes a minute an hour.

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Speaker 9: How long we're talking five to ten minutes. First thing

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Speaker 9: in the morning is the thing that if you have

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Speaker 9: a hard time incorporating this, that's where you should start.

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Speaker 5: Five to ten minutes first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 9: Take your morning coffee or whatever it is you drink

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Speaker 9: in the morning outside, sit on your patio or your porch,

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Speaker 9: walk around in your garden, even if it's really cold.

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01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 5: Just a couple of minutes will help.

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01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 9: Go out and bundle up and just get a couple

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01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 9: of minutes of sunlight through your eyes first thing in

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Speaker 9: the morning. It helps reset your hormones, it helps tell

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01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 9: your internal clock that it's time to wake up, and

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Speaker 9: it actually helps you get much more restorative sleep when

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Speaker 9: you do sleep at night. So that's the bare minimum

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Speaker 9: that most of us should be doing on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: All right, ten minutes is the bare minimum. Well, some

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01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: of us work for a living, and we got to

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Speaker 1: get up early, Julie, what about us? We just that's it,

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Speaker 1: plany in the funeral. Now, what if you.

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Speaker 9: Get up and you're at work before it's light out,

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01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 9: then the first opportunity you get to go outside and

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01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 9: get some sunlight through your eyes five to ten minutes

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01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 9: as soon as the sun is up. If you can

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01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 9: get outside and get some sunlight through your eyes, that

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Speaker 9: will really help you and it will actually help make

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Speaker 9: it easier for you to get up in the middle

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Speaker 9: of the night when you have to to get to.

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Speaker 5: Work before the sun is up.

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Speaker 9: So it all works really well if your brain and

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Speaker 9: gets that signal first thing in the morning, and it's

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Speaker 9: harder if it doesn't. And so it's worth taking five

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Speaker 9: or ten minutes and taking a little walk. Go get

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01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 9: a cup of coffee and walk to the coffee shop

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01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 9: instead of you know, just grabbing it from your kitchen,

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Speaker 9: if that makes sense, whatever works for you. Just get

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Speaker 9: your sunlight first thing in the morning if you can.

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Speaker 1: Is there a meaningful difference between like walking through a

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Speaker 1: city park or your backyard if you live in the burbs,

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Speaker 1: or walk in the woods, or walking out on the

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Speaker 1: ledge you're building and contemplating things as your coworker, there's appreciable. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but as long as i'm outside, it's still good.

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Speaker 5: It's still good.

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Speaker 9: But your balance needs to be really on point if

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Speaker 9: you're walking on the ledge of the building. But no,

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Speaker 9: your backyard, a city park, even down a city street,

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Speaker 9: as long as there's some sunlight and there's some air

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Speaker 9: movement and there's some part of nature. Obviously nature is

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Speaker 9: better than city streets. But what matters. First thing in

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Speaker 9: the morning is the sunlight. You can get that anywhere.

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Speaker 9: But in terms of the other things, your backyard is lovely.

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Speaker 9: If you like to garden, go putter in your garden

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Speaker 9: for twenty or thirty minutes. If you have a park nearby,

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01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 9: take your dog for a walk. And if you are

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Speaker 9: and I live in Mountlookout Hyde Park area, which is

1441
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Speaker 9: you know, an urban area with a lot of nature

1442
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Speaker 9: around it. Don't focus on the street in front of you.

1443
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 9: Focus on the trees, focus on the grass, focus on

1444
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 9: the flowers in somebody's yard, focus on the natural elements,

1445
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 9: pay attention to what the birds sound like in the wind,

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Speaker 9: in the trees.

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Speaker 5: That is also really beneficial and will help you feel better.

1448
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Speaker 5: Why Geologically, your blood.

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Speaker 9: Pressure and your hormones regulate and your nervous system calms down,

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Speaker 9: and things change in your body within fifteen or twenty

1451
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Speaker 9: minutes of doing that for the better, they change.

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Speaker 5: For the better.

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Speaker 1: What about someone who works long hours, has a very

1454
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Speaker 1: demanding job, and you genuinely can't carve time outside. You

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: can't get it. You can barely get a way to

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Speaker 1: go to the restroom, let alone go outside for five

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Speaker 1: to ten minutes. Is there anything you can real sickly do?

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Speaker 9: Do it when you can do it on the weekends,

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Speaker 9: do it in the evenings because although we're talking a

1460
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 9: lot about light, being outside in nature in the evening

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Speaker 9: is helpful too.

1462
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Speaker 5: So when you get home from.

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Speaker 9: Work, whatever time that is, if you've got five or

1464
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Speaker 9: ten minutes to have a cup of tea or glass

1465
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Speaker 9: of wine or a glass of water and sit outside

1466
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Speaker 9: and just listen to the wind and feel the world around.

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Speaker 5: You, that can be helpful.

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Speaker 9: If you can't do that, roll the windows down in

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Speaker 9: your car when you're driving home and turn the radio

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Speaker 9: off and just enjoy what's around you, hear the night sounds,

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Speaker 9: feel to breeze. If you can't do that and you

1472
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Speaker 9: don't get a break at work at all, try to

1473
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 9: get up five or ten minutes earlier and get outside.

1474
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 9: Do it on the weekends, do it on your vacations.

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Speaker 9: Every little bit helps, but daily is better.

1476
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 5: Than in chunks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So we talk about this as a menthol all

1478
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Speaker 1: to it. And again the optimal is doing it first

1479
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: thing in the morning for sunlight, or at least when

1480
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: the sun is up at a reasonable hour before you

1481
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Speaker 1: start your day. But you know, in a panch, anytime.

1482
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Speaker 5: In a pinch, anytime can do.

1483
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 9: And overall, overall, what we know is that about one

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01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 9: hundred and twenty minutes a week is what's necessary for

1485
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 9: optimal functioning.

1486
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,520
Speaker 5: So it can be broken into chunks.

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Speaker 9: Ideally you do smaller chunks every day as opposed to

1488
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 9: two big chunks on the weekend. But if that's all

1489
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Speaker 9: you can get, that's all you can get.

1490
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 5: I mean, really, there are.

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Speaker 9: People who simply can't get outside very much during their

1492
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Speaker 9: work week, and that's understandable.

1493
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Speaker 5: So about one hundred and twenty minutes is optimal.

1494
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Speaker 9: And so if you've got to break that into five

1495
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 9: or ten minute chunks, and you've got to use some

1496
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 9: in larger portions and some in smaller, little bite sized portions,

1497
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Speaker 9: that's fine too.

1498
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 5: But it's all counts.

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Speaker 9: It all helps, and first thing in the morning is

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Speaker 9: ideally the best.

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Speaker 1: All right, So if you missed the being in a

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01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: segment about being outside for five to ten minutes really

1503
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: will help help you in many, many, many ways, just

1504
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: being out in the outdoors. If you miss that, this

1505
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 1: is showing up. How how does it present? When you

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: don't get enough outdoor time.

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01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 9: Attention challenges, your sleep isn't as restorative as it might

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01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 9: otherwise be. You sometimes have a difficult time getting to

1509
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 9: sleep or staying asleep because your brain hasn't gotten the

1510
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 9: signal that it's time yet, because it didn't really get

1511
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 9: the signal that it was time to wake up.

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 5: And that's the other thing.

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 9: Long term morning grogginess can happen because your brain hasn't

1514
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 9: gotten fully gotten the signal that it needs that it's

1515
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 9: time to wake up and get moving during the day.

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: Well, it's also Monday, too, so let's just pump the

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: brakes a second on expectation.

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01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 9: Well, that's true, but but mid day grogginess as well.

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01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 9: People tend to get a little intentionally challenged between two

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 9: and four in the afternoon. But one of the things

1521
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 9: that we've noticed in the studies that I've read is

1522
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 9: that this early morning sunlight helps minimize that, so you

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01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 9: can stay more productive during the day.

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:18,799
Speaker 5: And if you're more.

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01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 9: Productive during your day, then maybe you don't need to

1526
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 9: do as much work when you get home in the evening,

1527
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 9: which might allow you to get outside more.

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01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, there some mood, mood.

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 9: Improves and irritability decreases, and so you're going to be

1530
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 9: less irritable with your family and friends, and your mood

1531
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 9: is going to be better, which is going to make

1532
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 9: you more fun to be around, which is going to

1533
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 9: give you more social opportunities.

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01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 5: So all good stuff.

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: Did a long weekend last weekend down in Florida at

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01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: our friend's place. How long does that boost last recharge

1537
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: in the battery, so to speak? Get in sunshine now,

1538
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: Florida sunshine is real sunshine, not we'll pass us for

1539
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: us here in the Midwest, right, it's real sunshine, Donner.

1540
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 1: How long is that a car real done picketure your

1541
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: body battery, and a lot of people do that this

1542
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: time of year, maybe if you're fortunate to have a

1543
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 1: place down there or whatever. But how much does that

1544
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: recharge things?

1545
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 9: It lasts about a week, because you really need about

1546
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty minutes, like about two hours a week,

1547
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 9: and so it'll last you about a week and then

1548
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 9: you're going to need to recharge it again.

1549
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 5: And now that the time change has happened.

1550
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 9: We have more daylight and spring is coming. I thought

1551
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 9: this was a really opportune moment to have this conversation

1552
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 9: and get people into the habit of getting outside regularly

1553
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 9: so that when the weather changes and it gets yuckier,

1554
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 9: which it will, they can already be in the habit

1555
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 9: of doing that and maybe continue that even in the

1556
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 9: gross weather.

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 7: So I got to go to Florida every week and

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01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 7: I don't know, Willy money, Willy time, what are we

1559
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 7: doing here?

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: I can't do that?

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01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 5: I don't know. I wish we could go someplace for

1562
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 5: him every weekend. It would that just be the best, right.

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 7: Well, some people who travels, like they work out of

1564
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 7: state or whatever, does they do that on the regular

1565
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 7: largely they drive it.

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01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: But and I don't know how you do that for

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: a sustained period of time. I know a guy who

1568
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: commuted from Ohio to Ottawa, Canada every weekend for five years.

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01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 5: Imgine that.

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: I can't imagine it either either in a plane or

1571
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: it's crazy, right, but he did. He did insane, I

1572
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: know I'm talking about. That's a different level of stress, right.

1573
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 1: You never see the outdoors. You're going backwards. You got

1574
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: to go the other ways on. But anyway, well, thank

1575
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: god we deported him. Anyway, Julie hattersh here is here.

1576
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: She's our licensed mental health therapist and she's at Bconnected

1577
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: dot Care in Clifton. Again, if you want to reach

1578
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: out to her directly for a question, concern, comment, or

1579
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: maybe a future topic, it's hey Julie at B Connected

1580
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: dot Care Mental Health Monday with Julie. Thanks again, have

1581
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: a great week, Thank you. All the best news on

1582
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: the way in about five minutes, so get get outside.

1583
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: Well maybe not today today we got snow coming in,

1584
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: scattered snow showers just after and they said it's not

1585
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: going to stick. Uh, but again, once you start seeing

1586
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: the flakes, after what we were treated to the last

1587
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: two days here. It is ald depressing, is it not?

1588
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: You'd agree with me there. The good news is the

1589
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: warm up is on the way, although the cold's gonna

1590
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: last a little. But anyway, I'm butchering this forecast. How

1591
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: about we get it from catch Market nine. Well, she'll

1592
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: do that, chuck as your traffic. We've got news and

1593
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: seconds here on the home of the Red seven hundred

1594
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: WWT Cincinnati. Do you want to.

1595
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 4: Be an American idiot holding your seven hundred w dow?

1596
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: So?

1597
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: Your electric bill is already painful? Man, it hurts right,

1598
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: So now we add artificial intelligence into the equation. The

1599
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 1: AI boom is really running our power grid down here

1600
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 1: in America, especially in the Midwest, really really thin right now.

1601
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: You know this. I've talked about it a lot. You

1602
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna see blackouts. The rates are going to continue

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01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: to rise. There seems no end in point, no no

1604
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: breaking breaking points coming up. Let's face it, and experts say,

1605
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can expect unless we do something drastic,

1606
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: you can expect rolling blackouts for businesses and for homes neighborhoods.

1607
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:59,200
Speaker 1: It may not be far behind. I know that's like

1608
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:02,839
Speaker 1: doomsday prophecy stuff, but It's true. You can only squeeze

1609
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: so much juse of that lemon? Right, So what do

1610
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: you do when you can't trust the power grid anymore?

1611
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: This is where you got to start thinking about options here.

1612
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,799
Speaker 1: His name is Levi, bobmin. Levi is the chief revenue

1613
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: officer for a company called Ingenuity Power Systems. That's Ingenuity

1614
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: with an E. And welcome to the show. How are you?

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01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 3: Thank you so much?

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01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 8: Gay, We're living the dream and super excited to be here.

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01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: Thank yeah, yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.

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01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 8: You know.

1619
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: The thing is the US par grid was built for

1620
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: a different era entirely, and now we have AI. We

1621
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: have data center expansion. I mentioned off the are Ohio

1622
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: is fifth in data centers. We want to be number one.

1623
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,480
Speaker 1: We've got about seventeen plan right now. In every municipality.

1624
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: It's going to face this issue of data centers at

1625
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 1: least neighboring communities for sure, and whether or not if

1626
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: they come in, but how they look. I mean, we're

1627
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: not going to be We're not turning off AI anytime soon.

1628
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: It's the future. And data centers now consume about three

1629
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: percent of all of our electricity. That could double triple

1630
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: or quadruple by twenty thirty, right, so just just a

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 1: handful of years. Because the major tech companies, the Amazons

1632
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: and Microsoft, the Google's are using gigawatts of power, which

1633
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: is about the same as small cities, and we have

1634
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: PGAM as our great operator here in the Midwest, they're stretched,

1635
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: really saying. A lot of the experts are saying, be

1636
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: prepared for brownouts, be prepared for rolling blackouts unless things

1637
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: change dramatically. But I don't know how we can do

1638
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: that considering how long it takes to put this infrastructure in.

1639
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: So that's the setup. Leave How close are we realistically

1640
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: to seeing widespread residential and commercial power disruptions in the

1641
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: United States and to the Midwest in the Tri State

1642
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: Here in Cincinnati, Scott.

1643
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 4: I'm really impressed because you are absolutely right, and not

1644
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 4: enough people are talking about it. It is absolutely going

1645
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 4: to happen this summer. So we'll see it happening this summer.

1646
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 8: Once people start turning on their air conditioners, they're plugging

1647
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 8: in those electric cars and only gets worse.

1648
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 4: It's not as bad in the winter because people use

1649
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 4: furnaces to heat their homes and heat their buildings, so

1650
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 4: that is running on gas, but it is coming, and

1651
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 4: it is coming now, so it'll happen in this summer.

1652
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 8: You're absolutely right.

1653
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: And what will be short a real number for you

1654
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 4: by pjam by twenty thirty, which the number that you

1655
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 4: use is eighty gigawats, and what a gigawatt? One gigawatt

1656
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 4: is equal to one nuclear power plant, and we just

1657
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 4: can't get a Milton time. You're absolutely right, and nobody

1658
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: wants to live by a nuclear power plant. Where we

1659
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 4: need the power is where the people live.

1660
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 8: So we are the answer. We're one of the answers.

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 8: We're not the only answers. It's going to take a

1662
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 8: lot of substitutes.

1663
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,919
Speaker 4: But that is our whole slogans, be your own utility.

1664
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 4: So what we do is we manufacture CHPs, which is

1665
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 4: combined heat and power units. Think of us as a

1666
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 4: boiler that is also a generator.

1667
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 8: So we make heat.

1668
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 4: Over a million BTUs of thermal load in the form

1669
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 4: of hot water. We produce fifty eight gallons of hot

1670
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 4: water at two hundred and three degrees per minute, and

1671
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,520
Speaker 4: in doing so we produce one hundred and eighty kilowats

1672
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 4: of continuous three phase prime power.

1673
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:04,840
Speaker 8: So the President said.

1674
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 4: Himself, whether you love him or you hate him. He

1675
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 4: brought it up during the State of the Union and

1676
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 4: he told commercial properties and businesses that you are going

1677
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 4: to have to bring your own power.

1678
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 8: Well, that's going to be the solution.

1679
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 1: And because we're in distressing because your company, and you know,

1680
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: it's one hundred kill a lot and two hundred kill

1681
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 1: a lot power stations basically, and this is not for you.

1682
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: Your house does not need one hundred kilo loots, but

1683
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: your small business, medium sized business does. And so your

1684
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: generators in particular produce electricity as well as heat, and

1685
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: that is that natural gas.

1686
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 3: Correct.

1687
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 4: So we run on four fuel sources, so you can

1688
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 4: use natural gas, you can use pro pain, you can

1689
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 4: use biogas, and you could use hydrogen and HPS. By

1690
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 4: definition as a category, we take one fuel source and

1691
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 4: we produce two outputs.

1692
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 8: So you put.

1693
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,799
Speaker 4: Gas in, natural gas in, and you get heat out,

1694
01:17:59,120 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 4: and you get power.

1695
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 8: We're out. That's what we.

1696
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: Do, gotcha. Some might say, okay, well, if we start

1697
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 1: going towards generators with natural gas, what then happens as

1698
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: the price of natural gas goes to the roof, So

1699
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:10,799
Speaker 1: where's the offset?

1700
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 8: So that's a great thing for our country though, if

1701
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 8: you think.

1702
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 4: About our overall political stance and our overall security. We

1703
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 4: have a lot of natural gas, so natural gas is

1704
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 4: not in short supply.

1705
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 8: The prices of that are not going up.

1706
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 4: We can we have our own and so we're much

1707
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 4: more secure as a country to use our natural gas

1708
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 4: versus being dependent on electricity, and that requires usually a

1709
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:37,560
Speaker 4: lot of batteries in different.

1710
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 8: Forms, right, and those batteries are not great. Well.

1711
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: We're adding more evs or at least hybrids online, so

1712
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: the load for your house is even in more demand,

1713
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: and that just adds to it. Obviously, commercial on our

1714
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 1: price is the bigger the business, the more power they need.

1715
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: And AI is at the very top of that pyramid,

1716
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: but certainly down near the bottom of residents and neighborhoods

1717
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: and the like where hey, listen, you know, I get home.

1718
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: I want to make sure when it's two thousand degrees

1719
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: here and as hot as a dog's mouth and Cincinnati,

1720
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: that I get home to air conditionings. The opposite when

1721
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: it comes to the very cold winter we just had.

1722
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: But if you're a business owner or worker, you hear, hey,

1723
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: the grid's under stress. We just assume that's an infrastructure problem,

1724
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,599
Speaker 1: the utility companies, the government are solved. That's a pretty

1725
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 1: dangerous assumption, isn't it.

1726
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 8: It really is a very dangerous assumption.

1727
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 4: And what we really believe is that the facilities that

1728
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 4: will thrive in the next decade won't just consume energy,

1729
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 4: they'll produce it. Because the reality is politicians like their

1730
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 4: jobs and in order for them to keep their jobs,

1731
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 4: they got to keep your air conditioning running. So they

1732
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 4: are going to prioritize residential homes to make sure that

1733
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 4: they stay on because the outcry is just too great.

1734
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 8: But will they'll shift that not having it and they'll

1735
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 8: pull back. The supply is going to be for all

1736
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 8: the commercial properties because they're going.

1737
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 4: To have to bear increased rates and increase lack of civility.

1738
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all work for someone, so you're going, wow,

1739
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: that's my money, that's my income, that's my benefits. It's

1740
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff for sure, But there's also the residential sides.

1741
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: What you guys sell a producer right now is not

1742
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: built for residential. It's built for commercial. At the smallest

1743
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 1: unit you have as one hundred kilowatts, which you know

1744
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: he may be able to power a subdivision with that

1745
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: for sure, and maybe that's in the future hoas get

1746
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 1: together and buy something like that.

1747
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 4: Right exactly, exactly, And so really what we see is

1748
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 4: the grid prioritizing residential. So where we're focused is not

1749
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 4: so much the data center size because to what you said,

1750
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 4: they're buying the megawats, right, and so what we're producing

1751
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 4: is kilowats. So we're focused on every other business out

1752
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 4: there that is impacted by these higher utility rates.

1753
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: And then what you don't use, you can sell back

1754
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: to the utility. By law, they have to buy back,

1755
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: right absolutely.

1756
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 4: So that's a little bit dependent on the area and

1757
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 4: by the utility, but that is the goal, and I

1758
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 4: believe that that will become more and more popular as

1759
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:55,839
Speaker 4: this energy crisis increases.

1760
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: It really does. Levi Bauman is here. He is a

1761
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: chief revenue officer, chief financial officer for Ingenuity Power Systems.

1762
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about the stress on the grid and it's

1763
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, this is his business for sure, and it

1764
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of alarm bells going off. But

1765
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: typically as Americans, we ignore problems. The big problems I've

1766
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 1: mentioned countless times on my show is the power grid

1767
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: issue here for businesses and for residentialists. As we put

1768
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 1: more AI and more demand, more load on the system,

1769
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: we don't have the capacity. We don't have the lines,

1770
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: we have the transmission, we have any of that. In

1771
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 1: doing that anymore is going to take ten, fifteen, twenty years.

1772
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:32,400
Speaker 1: With right aways and everything else, we are going to

1773
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: as we add more AI, we're going to face brownouts.

1774
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: That's a natural fact at home, but especially in business.

1775
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: And his company helps solve part of that problem with

1776
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: natural gas and these combined units that generate electricity and

1777
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 1: it generates heat using natural gas. So when you hear

1778
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: that for commercial customers, one thing, if I say, hey, man,

1779
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: I listened to live on a street. I don't have

1780
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: a subdivision, it's my house. I'm scared that that should

1781
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,879
Speaker 1: I just go get a regular generator. But that's usually

1782
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: off of gasoline or diesel, which is a whole other

1783
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: issue entirely. What's the solution for residents to hear this?

1784
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 8: Well, for residents to.

1785
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 4: Hear this, it's really to work with their utility companies

1786
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 4: to ensure that their utility companies are working with business

1787
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 4: owners to get them using CHPs right. They really have

1788
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 4: to push on the utility to make sure that they're

1789
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 4: being prioritized over data centers, over any new commercial properties

1790
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 4: that are being built, to ensure that they're.

1791
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 8: Going to have stability for their homes.

1792
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: What industries are most exposed to a serious disruption if

1793
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:37,679
Speaker 1: the grid starts to fail to keep up.

1794
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 8: Oh, it's really everybody.

1795
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I would I'd like to tell you that

1796
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 4: it's this one particular area, but it's really everybody. And

1797
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 4: what the President talked about and what PJAM published right

1798
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 4: after the State of the Union is that they're essentially

1799
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 4: going to go a lifeboat style, if you will. So

1800
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 4: the last in so any new buildings that are being built,

1801
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 4: any new subdivisions.

1802
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 8: They'll be the first turned off.

1803
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 4: So the grid is essentially PGM is essentially saying, listen,

1804
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 4: we're at capacity right now. Yeah, and so whatever is

1805
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 4: added to it, that'll be the first that will be

1806
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 4: taken off. And so anyone who is considering any new

1807
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 4: type of building, any new type of business, they should

1808
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 4: be looking at HPS to at a bare minimum supplement

1809
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 4: their power in order to do peak shaving and really

1810
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 4: produce the primary power they need for most of their loads,

1811
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 4: and then any excess that they would need, then they

1812
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:33,719
Speaker 4: would use the grid as a backup.

1813
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 1: Gotcha. So it is it's like work, right, last tired,

1814
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 1: first fired.

1815
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, Unfortunately, that's just the way it is.

1816
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1817
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: And we're also going to see huge rate increases as well.

1818
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 1: And so what's a realistic number if your commercial customer,

1819
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: you know, what does an energy budget even look like?

1820
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: If you're trying to budget out electric costs over the

1821
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 1: next five years. That's impossible, isn't it.

1822
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 8: It really is. I mean, you're looking at a bare

1823
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 8: minimum of probably a.

1824
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 4: Twenty percent increase in your utility costs, and it's not

1825
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 4: unrealistic to consider forty percent. I don't know the rates

1826
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 4: off the top of my head for you in Cincinnati,

1827
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 4: but you know in California they're paying fifty one cents

1828
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:12,839
Speaker 4: of kilowatt.

1829
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's substantially higher than what we're paying here.

1830
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: And speaking of California, ballso Texas in there we've seen

1831
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:24,639
Speaker 1: rolling blackouts. Is that now a realistic scenario for the Midwest?

1832
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: And if so, how soon?

1833
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 8: Yeah? This summer, So we will start to see that

1834
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 8: this summer.

1835
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1836
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 4: And the primary driver of that is that the biggest

1837
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 4: use of electricity in a residential property.

1838
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 8: Is your air conditioner.

1839
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 4: So in the winter, this problem isn't as bad because

1840
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 4: people are using furnaces to heat their homes. But the

1841
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 4: country for the past ten years has gone through this

1842
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 4: idea of going to heat pumps, and a heat pump

1843
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 4: is essentially turning your air conditioner into your furnace as well. Right,

1844
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 4: So we've eliminated furnace use and we've increased our electrical use,

1845
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 4: which only come hounds this problem.

1846
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: So you got to be thinking about getting a generator. Now,

1847
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: natural gas would be the best option for a house.

1848
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, at least as some form of backup.

1849
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, have a backup, have a plan, right. But you

1850
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 1: know the other thing we haven't talked about Leevi Bauman,

1851
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 1: is a national security issue here that you know, a

1852
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 1: grit under this kind of stress. You know we're having

1853
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: as we speak, terror attacks, right, we saw cyber attacks,

1854
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: we saw attack on infrastructure. Man, it doesn't take much

1855
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: to knock that whole house of cards over, does it.

1856
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 8: No, it really doesn't.

1857
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 4: And we are currently working with the DoD to help

1858
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 4: ensure that. So we do a lot of things with

1859
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,919
Speaker 4: the National Guard, in particular to ensure that the armories

1860
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 4: have their own backup power or their own primary power

1861
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 4: that we produce for them to eliminate that risk.

1862
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Leevi I. Bauman on the show this morning on seven

1863
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: hundred WW. He's the chief financial officer chief revenue officer

1864
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:59,440
Speaker 1: for Ingenuity Power Systems that make commercial generators for businesses

1865
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: the small, medium, and large because of the unreliability infrastructure,

1866
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: and saying that even for residential customers, which is most people,

1867
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: well all people listening are residential customers, that we could

1868
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: see brownouts and outages this summer, because he's saying it's

1869
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: going to happen because of just how strained our power

1870
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: grid is in this country right now and national security

1871
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: huge issue. You know, there's something called the concept of

1872
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: behind the meter power generation. People are here maybe hearing

1873
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: that for the first time and never thought about it,

1874
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: and this is what we're talking about here. The concept

1875
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 1: is going to get a lot of attention in next year.

1876
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and that really is our slogan, right, be

1877
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 4: your own utility.

1878
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 3: And so we are.

1879
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 4: Behind the meter power generation, so on site generated prime power.

1880
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 4: And then what we do in order to get eighty

1881
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 4: eight percent efficiency from our unit is that we capture

1882
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: that exhaust heat and we turn that through a heat

1883
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 4: exchanger into that hot water property can then use to

1884
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 4: run through an absorption chiller so it can create their

1885
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 4: air conditioning. They can put it into a storage tank,

1886
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,760
Speaker 4: and we essentially become their hot water heat.

1887
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: What's the word on incentives federal incentives to do this stuff?

1888
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Is there money coming in?

1889
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 8: There is all kinds of money coming in.

1890
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 4: So it's a little bit dependent on the state that

1891
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 4: you live in and what they're doing. From an AI perspective,

1892
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 4: as you said, you're doing a.

1893
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 8: Lot in AI.

1894
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 4: So there's more available in Ohio than there is in

1895
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 4: other areas. But yes, there's all kinds of federal incentives,

1896
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 4: rural incentives, and local state incentives.

1897
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: Okay, Levi Bauman again, he is the CFO or Ingenuity Systems.

1898
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 1: They make one hundred kilowatt in two hundred kilowatt power

1899
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: stations basically behind the meters we're talking about. So for businesses,

1900
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: as power becomes more and more in demand and more

1901
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: unstable because of that demand, it's an option you should

1902
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: be looking at because doing it now is going to

1903
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 1: save a lot of heartache. Because we start it's like

1904
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,919
Speaker 1: anything in America, you know, no one takes the hurricanes

1905
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 1: seriously until all of a sudden they see clo then

1906
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: they run to the tame deep onto tray, get plywood

1907
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: and bottled water. It's like the time to do that

1908
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: is now right one.

1909
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 4: You know, I really couldn't conceptualize this until I went

1910
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 4: on safari in South Africa and we're staying at a

1911
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 4: really nice resort and then they come to us at

1912
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 4: breakfast and say, now make sure you charge your phone

1913
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:27,799
Speaker 4: by ten am, and then we'll lose power until five o'clock.

1914
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 4: Then we'll have power from five to nine o'clock, but

1915
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 4: we lose power during the day so that their grid

1916
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 4: can prioritize office buildings during the day when people are

1917
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,320
Speaker 4: at work. And so, I mean, I just thought that

1918
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 4: was crazy. And then I was working for Residio and

1919
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 4: for Honeywell, and I got a call from Tony Yutley,

1920
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 4: our CEO at Intinuity Power Systems, and then he showed

1921
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,240
Speaker 4: me this data from PJM and he explained that's what

1922
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:58,560
Speaker 4: we're headed towards.

1923
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 8: And so being im working for a.

1924
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,800
Speaker 4: Company that can provide a solution to help our nation

1925
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 4: with this is why I'm so excited to be.

1926
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: Here feels third world. But third world is coming to

1927
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Speaker 1: America before we know it. LEVI abouming all the best.

1928
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Speaker 1: Thanks again for jumping on. The show is really interesting

1929
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Speaker 1: and frightening at the same time.

1930
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Speaker 8: I really appreciate it. Thank you so much, Scott, have

1931
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Speaker 8: a great day.

1932
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot of money too. I mean ten

1933
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,799
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen grand for a generator. Wof just another expense

1934
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,599
Speaker 1: you've got to look forward to. And I don't think

1935
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: it's one of those things we can fix really quickly either,

1936
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 1: just simply because it takes a long time to get

1937
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: more transmission and generation, but particularly transmission online. That's just

1938
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: a fact. Anyway, onward Scott's loan show. We've got news

1939
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Speaker 1: on the way in just about four or five minutes here,

1940
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Speaker 1: and then thirteen days from now it is opening today.

1941
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Speaker 1: I don't care what's happening. I don't care it's gonna snow.

1942
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: Us do care about it. I ain't trying to hear

1943
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: that you got thirteen days Mother Nature to get your

1944
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: bleep together. We need warmth, we need sunshine, and we

1945
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: need Reds baseball. On seven hundred WLW, Scott flown here

1946
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. The Reds the Reds. I said, the Reds.

1947
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm not talking college basketballs. They did early with Austin.

1948
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: The Reds are thirteen days now from opening day. We're

1949
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: inside that two week window, two rotation spots up for grabs,

1950
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: and their top candidate was struggling. And the latest and

1951
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 1: goodyear from our buddy Jeff Carr with Lockdown residently daily.

1952
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: That means year round Reds podcast available. You get yours, Jeffrey, welcome.

1953
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: How are you?

1954
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 3: Plonie is going to be with you. We are so close.

1955
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 3: We're talking about roster spots and it feels like there's

1956
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 3: only a couple, but I'm happy. I keep looking at

1957
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 3: the forecast. I know you're not supposed to do that,

1958
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 3: but as of right now, it doesn't look horrible.

1959
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 1: Hopefully we don't know. Two we don't know for two

1960
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 1: hours from out alone, two weeks. Hell, I mean walking

1961
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: on in shorts, Yesterdaday, I got to get the snowshovel

1962
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: back out. And of course the other side of this

1963
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: was they had to move game times in Arizona because

1964
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: there's one hundred and bleep degrees out there, so you're

1965
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: getting extreme temps in Arizona and we're getting a stream

1966
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,760
Speaker 1: comes here in Ohio, I don't hopefully we won't have

1967
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: snow in the ground for opening day.

1968
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember twenty twenty one I have about froze

1969
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 3: in the outfield, and it's been a few years since

1970
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 3: that happened, so I'm still kind of got that in

1971
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: the back of my mind, like it could be coming.

1972
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 3: All right.

1973
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: So relatives of the Reds, they have two open rotation

1974
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: spots and we got three candidate. It's a good problem

1975
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 1: to have, especially with your ace out for the foreseeable future.

1976
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: Rhet Lauder has been the most consistent I think, all

1977
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: spring and then he comes out and what almost fifty

1978
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: pitches and two innings? Is that a concern?

1979
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 5: Now?

1980
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 3: It's just a build up. I think that the number

1981
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 3: of pitches is the key number for any pitcher in

1982
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 3: spring camp, especially when they are competing for the starting rotation.

1983
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 3: It's just how many pitches can they get in one outing?

1984
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 3: You know, you might have fifty pitches to be three

1985
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 3: or four innings, but they're trying to work themselves up

1986
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 3: to about one hundred pitches. Last year, in his first

1987
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,759
Speaker 3: season as manager, Terry Francona had said that he would

1988
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 3: like all of his pictures to be stretched out to

1989
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 3: one hundred pitches by the time camp breaks. So he's

1990
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,559
Speaker 3: working his way up to that number. He's got a

1991
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 3: few more starts to get there, and I think he will. Yeah.

1992
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 1: But the other guy here is Chase Burns, and as

1993
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: opposed to building up, they're taking more off his plate, uh,

1994
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: to get him a little bit of time to get

1995
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 1: getting his groove here louder struggles I mentioned, So Brandon

1996
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,639
Speaker 1: Williamson is there is there an opportunity here to get

1997
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:23,520
Speaker 1: one of those spots.

1998
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 3: Well, I thought it was interesting the way that both

1999
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:29,680
Speaker 3: guys were talked about. Of course, you know, everybody's new

2000
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,560
Speaker 3: favorite buzzword around the Cincinnati Reds is dload. Yeah, you know,

2001
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 3: I know, I know, upload down load back to front load.

2002
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 3: Now we're dloading. But so that that was kind of

2003
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 3: a strange thing to hear, and it feels like semantics.

2004
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:47,719
Speaker 3: But at the same time they were talking about Brandon

2005
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 3: Williamson and one of the things that Terry Francona said

2006
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,320
Speaker 3: is he's still going to work on getting into his

2007
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: routine because some days are good and some days, well

2008
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 3: they aren't. And it's like okay, So it sounds like

2009
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,240
Speaker 3: both guys are dealing with a little bit of something

2010
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 3: right now. And the interesting part about Chase Burns, like,

2011
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it's unprecedented, and it's possible that Derek

2012
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 3: Johnson talked with Terry Francona about this and like, well,

2013
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 3: you know, we had this other guy whose last name

2014
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 3: rhymes with smell and the way that he treated his

2015
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 3: pitchers at the beginning of the year. They only threw

2016
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 3: like four innings in their first start, and that kind

2017
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 3: of feels like what they might end up doing with

2018
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 3: Chase Burns, I mean, only throwing twenty eight pitches his

2019
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 3: last time out. Realistically, he's got three more starts between

2020
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:37,839
Speaker 3: now and opening day, maybe just two in a bullpen session,

2021
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 3: so it's not likely he gets stretched out to that

2022
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 3: one hundred pitch mark, So I would expect that. I

2023
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,879
Speaker 3: still expect him to be in the opening day rotation,

2024
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 3: but I think his first start to be more of

2025
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 3: the four tough, five inning variety as opposed to a

2026
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:55,280
Speaker 3: six inning one that we would like to see.

2027
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: All right, waita, it's the Hunter Green situation and we're

2028
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: in this era arm care, monitoring even and deloading. The

2029
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: situation of Chase burns though it kind of tells us

2030
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: about the way the Reds are managing pictures. Does it

2031
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: feel like it's different this year and how they're they're managing,

2032
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: especially with the medical staff. And I bring Hunter Green

2033
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 1: back in because a guy, you know, had elbow chips

2034
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,919
Speaker 1: that can't you can't fix that with an injection, that's surgery.

2035
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: That's why he's out. He had the all off season

2036
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 1: to do this, and yet here we are today. So

2037
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: does it feel like they're changing their tune or at

2038
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: least changing their strategy when it comes to management from

2039
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:27,600
Speaker 1: a medical standpoint.

2040
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 3: I think so. And I think the only issue that

2041
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: they've had has just been the messaging with it. I

2042
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 3: think they've been much more careful with the guys in

2043
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 3: spring training. We keep hearing, you know, different things about

2044
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 3: this and that and the other. In fact, you know,

2045
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 3: there was a conversation with Nicolodolo the other day where

2046
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 3: he alluded to, without going into any specific detail, that

2047
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 3: he is already preparing for the blister issue, which he's like,

2048
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:54,759
Speaker 3: I've never had the blister this early on in the season,

2049
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 3: so it's never been a problem. But they're doing as

2050
01:34:57,400 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 3: much as they can right now to prevent it from

2051
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 3: ha Benina at any point in the year. So I

2052
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:06,719
Speaker 3: feel like the mantra, albeit ironic with how one hundred

2053
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,640
Speaker 3: Greens News played out, is just being careful with this

2054
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,799
Speaker 3: pitching staff as you get into into the year, because

2055
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 3: I think they understood that most of the starting rotation

2056
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 3: was set before Cactus League games even began, and so

2057
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 3: it was really about keeping guys healthy and making sure

2058
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 3: that they are warmed up and ready to go for

2059
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 3: the season, and not so much about Hey, make sure

2060
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 3: you go out there and you can give me your

2061
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 3: best stuff in February and early March, where it doesn't

2062
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: matter because we need your best stuff in August and

2063
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 3: late September.

2064
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: And nf and then the final push in the last

2065
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 1: thirteen days of spring training. Jeff Carr, Obviously, these guys

2066
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 1: want to show out so you can lock up a rotation.

2067
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: Spot Terry Francona came out and already announced the starters

2068
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: were opening day, at least the first three. Of course,

2069
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: you've got now to decide who the other two and

2070
01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: what that looks like right now, if that were today,

2071
01:35:58,920 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: what would it look like.

2072
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 3: I think for me, it's it's going to be red

2073
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 3: Louder as the fourth starter and Chase Burns as the

2074
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,240
Speaker 3: fifth starter. Now, the significance of this would be those

2075
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 3: two guys would pitch in the Pittsburgh series that follows

2076
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 3: the Red Sox series that was the Red Sox being Abbot,

2077
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 3: Lidolo and Singer, and then you would see those two

2078
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 3: guys going up against a couple of key starters for

2079
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh that's always every single one of those series. This

2080
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 3: year is just going to be super heightened with the

2081
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 3: way that Pittsburgh attacked their offseason trying to get themselves

2082
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 3: up to the level where the Reds are, and you know,

2083
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 3: in their minds even past that point, there's four teams

2084
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,679
Speaker 3: that are competing for this division and so you're going

2085
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,400
Speaker 3: to need your best stuff. I still think that Brandon

2086
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 3: Williamson will be up here.

2087
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 5: At some point because they're going to have to manage.

2088
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,679
Speaker 3: The innings of Red Louder and Chase Burns. But those

2089
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 3: are the two guys that I think deserve those spots.

2090
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: We think Green may be back by when All Star break.

2091
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say probably after the Alto.

2092
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, it just keeps repeating itself again. He gots

2093
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 1: back after it, but hopefully Abbott, Lodolo, Singer, Louder and

2094
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 1: Burns and Williamson can keep you in the hunt. I

2095
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: mean that's the goal, right is to win the division

2096
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: and go wall to wall. Can you do it with

2097
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 1: that rotation you do with those guys? How much do

2098
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: we miss Hunter Green? I guess we'll find out shortly here,

2099
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: but with everyone fighting for roster spots and also Ferguson's

2100
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,000
Speaker 1: on the iel as well, so how much more pressures

2101
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: that put on? This starting rotation.

2102
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,760
Speaker 3: Definitely puts a little bit because you look at the

2103
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 3: bullpen and you felt good about the two lefties and

2104
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 3: Ferguson and Burke, and now you move Ferguson out at

2105
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,719
Speaker 3: least for the time being, and you talk about Burke

2106
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 3: and Mall, and where Burke is a strong pitcher, he's

2107
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 3: not necessarily that effective against lefties as far as Payla

2108
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 3: Ferguson was, So you're gonna have to lean more on

2109
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 3: Sam Mall than I think anybody would have guessed, or

2110
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 3: some people didn't want to see him, But I feel

2111
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,800
Speaker 3: really good about him bouncing back in a big way.

2112
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 3: He was a guy that a couple of years ago

2113
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,760
Speaker 3: there was a stat that I and I never really

2114
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,759
Speaker 3: came up with a good term for, but a relief

2115
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 3: pitcher that came into a game didn't allow a base

2116
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 3: runner and got at least one strikeout. And Alexis Diaz

2117
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 3: led the team in twenty twenty four. We know how

2118
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 3: that went ye, but Sam Mall was number two, and

2119
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 3: so I think that he is a guy to watch

2120
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 3: bounce back in this bullpen in a big way this year.

2121
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 3: But you're right, like the bullpen isn't going to be

2122
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:26,680
Speaker 3: starting the year full strength, but probably going to have

2123
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 3: Luis May in the back end. I would think he

2124
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:33,080
Speaker 3: takes that open spot that Ferguson vacates. Albeit there's been

2125
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 3: some interesting performances from Hagen Danner, and there's been the

2126
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,839
Speaker 3: guy that they acquired from the Pittsburgh Pirates for Tyler

2127
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 3: Callahan and Kyle Nicholas, but I still think we see

2128
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 3: some usual suspects there filling out the balls.

2129
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time talking about the starting rotation,

2130
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,920
Speaker 1: but the more pressing roster question might be the bullpen.

2131
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: You got three open spots.

2132
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 3: There three open spots, and it feels like one of

2133
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:59,719
Speaker 3: the guys that, at least when camp began I felt

2134
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 3: like Honor Phillips did a lot toward the end of

2135
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 3: last season to earn a spot, and while he hasn't

2136
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 3: had the most consistent spring, I still think he earns

2137
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 3: one of those spots. So you're looking at two spots,

2138
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 3: and I think it's Sam Mall and you can kind

2139
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 3: of shuffle Luist May and Zach Maxwell back and forth there.

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Speaker 3: I think that we will see a lot of both

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Speaker 3: this season. There's never been now as much as we

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Speaker 3: talked about twenty twelve is the last time that the

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Speaker 3: Reds really only used five starting pitchers, except for the

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Speaker 3: one time that they had to play a doubleheader and

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Speaker 3: use somebody else. We've never seen this season where they

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Speaker 3: only use eight relief pitchers. There's definitely a lot more

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Speaker 3: guys that are going to get up here, but I

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Speaker 3: think the start we'll see one of May or Maxwell,

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Speaker 3: and my money's on May between those nos.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Carr from Lockdown Red's thirteen days left before it

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Speaker 1: starts for real here in Cincinnati. With opening Day, all right,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the arms, let's talk about positional players.

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Speaker 1: Three airs in one inning on Saturday, two from wild

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Speaker 1: pickoff throws, one from a Jajblede just absolutely lazy from

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Speaker 1: what it's on. I like, you know, that's always kind

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Speaker 1: of been a trend with the base running two and

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Speaker 1: of course defense. Do you just chalk that up as to, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's spring training or three hours in one inning. It

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Speaker 1: seemed like it's one of those things where mentally it multiplied.

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Speaker 3: I definitely would say it's a little bit of both.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you're talking about the pickoff moves.

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Speaker 3: You wonder a little bit if it's just okay. It's

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Speaker 3: a lot of differences, whether it be first baseman and

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Speaker 3: pitcher and who's used to who and how does that

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Speaker 3: all play out. But the Bledet thing is interesting because

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Speaker 3: he came into camp really competing with Will Benson for

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Speaker 3: a spot on this roster. You weren't going to keep

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Speaker 3: both because you just don't have enough spots from the

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Speaker 3: bench to do that, and especially whenever they went and

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Speaker 3: they got Nathaniel Low, it was clear you're only going

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Speaker 3: to keep one of them at least for opening day.

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Speaker 3: And I kind of feel like, as much as we

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Speaker 3: talked about early on, neither guy had lost it. I

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Speaker 3: think Will Benson has sort of separated himself a little

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Speaker 3: bit more here, and so jj Bleda is kind of

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Speaker 3: behind the eight ball, and he's he's a guy that's

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Speaker 3: probably if he hasn't already turned it on, he needs

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Speaker 3: to turn it on right now. And I almost wonder

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Speaker 3: a little bit if that was him. Okay, I gotta go,

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Speaker 3: and then he just makes a bone head move and

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Speaker 3: so there's there's part of me that thinks that there's

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Speaker 3: something more to that error. Not all spring training errors

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Speaker 3: are created equal, sure, but at the same time, it's

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Speaker 3: it's going to reflect more on his resume than it

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Speaker 3: would say on some of the other fielders. All right.

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Speaker 1: Now, the other side of that, I'm said it was

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Speaker 1: Ellie's still selling three bases. I mean, he has spent

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Speaker 1: unbelievable in the infield for that matter, looks loaded. You

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Speaker 1: got day La Cruz, he got McLain, Hey, Suarez, Stewart.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of baths to manage, and it's a

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Speaker 1: great problem for Tito, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's that's been the question that we asked just about

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Speaker 3: every spring training game, is Okay, what do we take

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Speaker 3: away from this game that means anything at all? And

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Speaker 3: we've we've had some fun with the hard contact and

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Speaker 3: the way the guys have just absolutely smashed the baseball.

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Speaker 3: And we've talked about Matt McLain a lot this spring,

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Speaker 3: but that for me was the biggest sign that everything

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Speaker 3: is okay with Eli de la Cruz because there was

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Speaker 3: that one play or that one sequence where he got walked,

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Speaker 3: he steals second, South Stewart hits an easy single up

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Speaker 3: the middle, and Ellie scores from second on that easy single,

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, that is the sign to me that

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Speaker 3: everything is good with the guy who everything needs to

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Speaker 3: be good with. And so we're ready to go with

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Speaker 3: La de la Cruz because if he is able to

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Speaker 3: score on those types of plays and will, by the way,

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Speaker 3: if he's adding more power to his game and things

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Speaker 3: like that, then we are talking about, you know, really

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Speaker 3: getting excited for our expectations for a guy that should

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Speaker 3: be a top ten player in the league. And he

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Speaker 3: didn't play like that last year, but I think we'll

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Speaker 3: see that and.

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Speaker 1: It really feels, I mean, it's really well done if

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Speaker 1: we can continue this pace with the Reds because bringing

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Speaker 1: Suarez and it it lightens, it makes it easier for

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Speaker 1: their guys to do what they do, and that's Matt

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Speaker 1: McClain and Eli de la Cruz and they're all playing

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Speaker 1: phenomenally right now, and hopefully we don't have a we

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Speaker 1: saw last year. It's like, oh, they're losing one nothing.

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Speaker 1: These one run games. They can put some runs up

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Speaker 1: and cover some of the problems in the bullpen and

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Speaker 1: certainly the starting rotation. It's not gonna tay much of

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Speaker 1: guys to get the dub.

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Speaker 3: Right. And I think that that's the key thing to

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Speaker 3: underscore here when it comes to Suarez, is that if

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Speaker 3: these guys are going like they can, Suarez just has

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Speaker 3: to do one thing. He just has to match to

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Speaker 3: baseball songs. He's doing that, then he's doing everything that

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Speaker 3: the Reds needs him to do because they are leaning

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Speaker 3: more on Ellie McClain, Stewart and those guys to really

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Speaker 3: carry this ball club. They did not bring in au

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Speaker 3: Heeni asar As to be a superhero because I've seen

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Speaker 3: people wonder, They're like, is he going to be as

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Speaker 3: good as they need him to be? And I keep

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Speaker 3: telling me, folks on like, you're over selling what the

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Speaker 3: Reds are asking him. Reds are asking him to mash

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Speaker 3: bombs and just keep this lineup dangerous, and he is

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Speaker 3: well within his capability of doing that, especially when you've

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Speaker 3: got Ellie doing everything that he can do on a

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Speaker 3: baseball field on top of everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you had McClain, You add Sal Stewart and some

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Speaker 1: of these other pieces in their haze, and it's a

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Speaker 1: really really good mix. Steer right right, Everyone's hitting on

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Speaker 1: all cylinders here, So I can't wait. At thirteen days

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Speaker 1: from now, it'll be opening day here on the Home

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Speaker 1: of the Red seven hundred WIT Live the Holy Grail Banks.

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Speaker 1: As always, I'll start it off Jeff Carr. You can

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Speaker 1: follow him locked on Red's He's all over the place.

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Speaker 1: That's the only daily Reds podcast, year round two and

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Speaker 1: no one is certainly knows more about this ball club

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Speaker 1: than Jeff. Appreciate you joining us on this Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk next week, buddy, Appreciate you. We've got news

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Speaker 1: on the way in just minutes. Willie takes over at

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Speaker 1: twelve oh six this morning here on seven hundred w WDE, Cincinnati,